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Kyle Busch's Shocking and Tragic Death, Plus Stabbing in UK, and Female JP Morgan Exec COUNTERSUES, with Mark Eiglarsh and Jonna Spilbor | Ep. 1323
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Megyn Kelly begins the show remembering racing legend Kyle Busch after his tragic death at age 41, reflecting on his incredible NASCAR career, devotion to his family and fans, and more. Then Dr. Bob Lahita and Dr. Dirk Perritt to discuss what could possibly have caused Busch's death, whether severe sinus issues may have pointed to a more serious underlying condition, alarming new details from the Busch 9-1-1 call, what "coughing up blood" could reveal medically, the potential for a pulmonary embolism, and more. Then Mark Eiglarsh and Jonna Spilbor, hosts of "Positively Legal" on MK True Crime, join to discuss a bizarre viral video of a Fox military guest appearing to wear a mask of himself on-air, possible explanations for the strange appearance, details of "disguise" from the CIA, disturbing new details about a deadly stabbing in the UK involving a Sikh man, major questions surrounding the self-defense claims, outrage over the police response, the female JP Morgan executive now co...
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Megyn Kelly
Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show. We have a jam packed Kelly's court coming up later today, but we begin with a truly sad and shocking story out of the world of nascar. As the sports world mourns the sudden, shocking death of 41 year old NASCAR legend Kyle Busch, details surrounding his passing remain murky, but here is what we know. According to the Associated Press, yesterday, Bush was using the Chevrolet simulator in Concord, North Carolina, that's near Charlotte when he became unresponsive and was taken to a hospital. His family initially releasing a statement that suggested Bush would not be competing in this Week's Coca Cola 600. Writing quote Kyle has experienced a severe illness resulting in hospitalization. He is currently undergoing treatment and will not compete in any of his scheduled activities this weekend at Charlotte Motor Speedway. We ask for understanding and privacy as our family navigates this situation. Less than eight hours later, nascar, his family and his racing team releasing a joint statement announcing his death. Quote on behalf of the Busch family, everyone at Richard Childress Racing and all of nascar, we are devastated to announce the sudden and tragic passing of Kyle Busch, the statement read. Our entire NASCAR family is heartbroken by the loss of Kyle, a future hall of Famer. Kyle was a rare talent, one who comes along once in a generation. He was fierce, he was passionate, he was immensely skilled and he cared deeply about the sport and and fans. His death coming 11 days after he told his crew over the radio near the end of a race in New York that he needed A doctor to give him a quote shot. According to reports, he had been suffering from sinus issues that were aggravated by the G forces of his job and elevation on the course. He came in eighth that day and was healthy enough last weekend to go on to win the Truck series in Dover, Delaware. We're going to get to the medical issues in one minute. We have a team here to tell us what they think this is a 41 year old guy. How do you drop dead of something related to sinuses maybe at age 41? What, what do they think went on here? We're going to delve in in one minute. First though, Bush is survived by his wife Samantha and their 11 year old son Brexton as well as their 4 year old daughter Lennox. That is just awful. A little 4 year old. An 11 year old that's too young. You know, it's so bad on a couple of levels because 11, what's worse, the 11 year old who will remember him and will feel this pain acutely or the four year old who probably won't, that's just too young to have lifelong memories. She may have some vague image, but I'm sure every parent has thought about this. You know, it's like I've thought about it a million times since my dad died when I was 15. And I feel so grateful that that was long enough for him to make his imprint on me and you know, for me to know him and for me to have a real human in my mind and my heart that I can remember. I think the same will be true for their 11 year old boy. But the four year old, I don't, I, no, I don't think so. I think about it with Charlie's kids all the time. You know, Erica and Charlie did such a good job of videotaping their family. And Charlie, of course there's reams of video. We all feel like we know Charlie, but there's, you know, there's knowing him as your dad and having memories of him taking care of you and then there's knowing video of him which it's not quite the same. We all know that. And these poor two kids and Samantha now have to wonder what happened? Was this preventable? And this guy was a superstar in the world of sports and racing. The NASCAR community says he was truly one of their best two time cup series champion. He won more races across the three national series than anyone else in history. Known as Rowdy they called him or Wild thing because he was full of personality. He had these post race fights and feuds with other drivers. He had a bunch of frenemies in the industry. He was an unforgettable presence on the NASCAR scene. Here's a flavor of him.
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Watch Bob Hacker, espn.
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Megyn Kelly
Were you surprised that Austin could stretch
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
it on fuel and then, I mean, what does it mean, do you think
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Megyn Kelly
for Austin to get his first one? I'm not surprised about anything. Congratulations. Are you okay with Joey moving forward? Everything's great. Really looking forward to getting in my race car and getting back here at Phoenix. Speaking of that, are you glad that this is over and now you can
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Mark Eiglarsch
get in the car where you're comfortable and get back to racing?
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Megyn Kelly
Everything's great. Really looking forward to getting back into my car and being here in Phoenix this week. Everything's great. Looking forward to getting back into my car.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
If you had that 45 point buffer,
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Megyn Kelly
do you fall back on that? Is it really sticking your mind at all? It's pathetic to have to lean on insurance. My premiums are going to go up.
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Very frustrating.
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Megyn Kelly
Kyle Busch, understandable. Got to where we needed it right there at the end and was able to lead all those laps. And if it wasn't for lap traffic, it wouldn't even have been a race.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
I don't know what are whining about,
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Megyn Kelly
but if you don't like that kind of racing, don't even watch. Kyle, you overcame some adversity on pit road to work your way back up. Can you talk about how you made
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
your way back to the field?
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Megyn Kelly
Pure talent. That's about it. My pit crew did absolutely nothing to help me out tonight. My truck drove like and these splitters are absolutely horrendous. You can't pass in traffic, you can't race alongside anybody. You can't get within five truck lengths of no one. But somehow, someway, I was able to get back to the front. Had a blast. Kyle, what was your thought about Keselowski's
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Dr. Bob Lahita
little pre race declaration? Who? Brad Keselowski?
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Mark Eiglarsch
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
I don't know who you're talking about. Okay. He drives the number 12 car. I saw it but I passed it. He's very full of personality and just didn't mince words and was unapologetic about his tough personality on the course. He didn't always get along with his fellow drivers but he did always show appreciation for his fans. Watch. Sup? Oh my God. Oh my God. It's freaking good. How are you? I freaking love y'. All. Shit. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Thank you.
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Good to see you guys.
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Megyn Kelly
Thanks. Yeah. I'm so happy you won. It's. That's amazing. I. As you guys know, I'm not a huge sports person, but I know enough about NASCAR from 14 years of Fox to know the fans are not kidding around. There is deep commitment and deep, deep, deep love of the sport and the guys who drive the car. So I feel that woman's joy. I've met so many people who feel exactly that way about Kyle, about NASCAR in general. This was posted by his fellow NASCAR driver Carson Hassever. He wrote, every day's a privilege and today's a truly sad reminder of that. This little boy in this picture hated you on Sundays, but he loved to hate you. This is of himself. And you made it very difficult to hate and not become a fan. When your passion for racing showed, when you'd show up to his hometown to race at his home tracks, he'll be forever grateful for that. From a fan to a hater, to a competitor, to a teammate, and to even maybe a friend. I share that story because this little kid in the picture was not anywhere near the true number that you impacted for the better just through racing. You will be deeply missed, both on the racetrack, but certainly off. Rest in peace. Despite all of his success, he never took winning for granted. There's this video. He's said it before. This wasn't the only time he said it, but it is, it is pretty ominous that he said this just last week in a comment that now seems prescient. Kyle Busch, your 69th victory in this series, your fifth right here. Why do these moments never get old, Kyle?
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Because you never know when the last
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Mark Eiglarsch
one is, you know.
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Megyn Kelly
So did he know something? You know, he had been struggling with this sinus thing. He did need a doc to come see him at the end of the one race. Did he. Did he have a sense of foreboding? You know, Does a man know when he's about to die? On some level, do we know, you know, and it's not. It's not like a. You could, you could ask the same question if it's a car crash or a plane crash, God forbid, or something like that. But when it's an illness, like a sudden onset illness that's in you, do you know, at some level? I don't know. The only thing Kyle Bush was more dedicated to than racing was his family. Here's his post on X from Monday. He died on Thursday. He was wishing his son happy birthday. Happy birthday, Brexton Bush. Your mom and I are so proud of who you're turning out to be. You're the best kid on and off the track. You amaze us every day. Keep doing what you're doing and there is no limit to what you'll accomplish. Love you, buddy. That's the last X post that Kyle wrote, and it will be the last birthday of his children that he will have had the chance to celebrate. And here's Kyle and his wife Samantha talking about Brexton and Lennox, including how he's teaching his young daughter, how he was teaching his young daughter how to race. I've seen Kyle change since becoming a dad. In many ways, there is a whole nother element when you get to bring your child to victory lane, and that was something so special. Obviously, Kyle started with Brexton as he was little, throwing him up in the air. You know, being able to teach Braxton about racing and what I love is really, really unique and very cool to me. I feel like there's a lot of
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Dr. Bob Lahita
finishing touches that you can add to
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Megyn Kelly
a driver and his character and how he handles situations. So trying to lend that 20 years of experience to a nine year old, certainly going to be crucial in his development. And, you know, I feel really blessed and honored to be able to help him with that. When Braxton won the Tulsa Shootout, he literally, like, had tears in his eyes. And that was just so exciting. And it's amazing as his wife to just, you know, see that softer side of him. And I also love not only Braxton, but Lennox. She's olive too. We got her a little cart and Kyle, same as he did with Braxton, just a much younger age, brought her out and was like, okay, Lenny, like, shown her the ropes and it was cute as can be, especially sometimes when she's driving a hot pink Barbie car and Kyle's like, jogging after her and you're like, that's just. He's a great dad. The video is well worth watching. If you're listening, you can check it out on our YouTube. Kyle and his wife Samantha were also philanthropists operating the Samantha and Kyle Bush Bundle of Joy Fund, which helps couples with infertility issues after the pair had troubles of their own in that department. He is going to be deeply missed, of course, by his family, but also by the whole NASCAR community, now mourning one of the most accomplished drivers in modern history. So how exactly is it that what's been reported to be a sinus affection or a sinus related illness potentially morphs into a cause of death at 41? We don't know the cause of death. I'M just saying that's the only illness he was suffering from that we know about. And 41 is supposed to be one of those ages where no matter kind of what you're going through when it comes to illnesses you can contract, whether it's a stomach bug or a cold or a flu or a pneumonia, you're not supposed to die. Not supposed to die at 41. Joining me now to discuss it is Bob Lajita. He's a doctor. He's a clinical professor of medicine at Rutgers New Jersey Medical School and a guest of yours truly many times back in the fox days. And Dr. Dirk Parrott as well. He's an emergency room doctor and CEO of MD Health Pathways. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet and, and that now they're messing with your credit card. They say your credit card and the security it offers are under attack. And that Senators Dick Durbin and Roger Marshall want to change the nation's payment system to benefit corporate megastores like Walmart and Target at the expense of everyday Americans. Credit cards can keep your payments secure and provide rewards that families use to help make everyday purchases more affordable. The Electronic Payments Coalition says the Durbin Marshall mandates would let corporate megastores cut corners on credit card processing, routing transactions over cheaper, untested networks with weaker security and fewer protections. Find out more@guardyourcard.com and consider telling Congress to guard your card doctors. Thank you both so much for being here. What a, what a crazy and disturbing story. I kind of can't get past it. Dr. Lahita, let me start with you. What do you make of what we know so far? Just the calling of needing a doctor for a shot, we are told related to a sinus infection about a week or so ago and then being found unresponsive yesterday. So it seems like he was out, he was in a simulator, you know, he wasn't like in bed, like I can't function and, and clearly had some sort of an event where he died.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
It's a, it's a tragic story beyond belief and our condolences go to the entire family. But when you talk about a sinus problem, the first thing that comes to my mind is congestion. Now, you can have congestion from a variety of reasons, some of which are cardiac. A 41 year old who drops dead, one has to think of a cardiac cause. So he could have been in congestive failure, heart failure, and that may have resulted in his feeling of congestion in his nasal passages. And the other thing is That I thought of when I heard this was pulmonary embolism, which is a sudden cause of death, which is a blood clot that goes to the lungs and stops you from breathing. Now, he might have had micro blood clots that were throughout his pulmonary or lung system. And the third thing that I thought of was aneurysms. That's the explosion of a blood vessel, a large blood vessel, like an aortic vessel. That's least likely. And then when we get into the rare stuff, as in my subspecialty, which is immunology, rheumatology, we think of vasculitis. Vasculitis can cause a chronic sinus infection. It's very, very rare to have some. What is die from that? That's inflammation of the blood vessels of the nasal passages and large blood vessels going around the heart. And a condition called myocarditis, which is inflammation of the muscle, would cause congestive heart failure, heart failure in general, and a heart attack which would result in sudden death.
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Megyn Kelly
Those are the things we all know about myocarditis from the COVID pandemic. Some people who got Covid suffered from it, and some people who got the vaccine were killed by myocarditis. It happened a lot with young men, teenage men in particular, teenage boys. That's dark to think about. I'm sure all of that would be reflected on an autopsy.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Yes, definitely. An autopsy for a sudden death like this in a 41 year old is mandatory.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, Dr. Parrott, what do you think? You're an ER doc, so you. You would have been exactly the kind of doctor who would have had to deal with this had they, you know, gotten him to an ER prior to being pronounced dead.
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
First of all, my heart goes out to the family. He has two young children. I've got three daughters. I saw the video, him riding on the four wheeler with his kids on the track. And I just know how much that family is going to miss him. So my prayers go out to him. I can walk you a little bit through how an ER doctor thinks. So when you come into the er, we're tasked with thinking, what is the worst thing that can cause this? And like you said, a 41 year old should not die. And when you think about what. What can kill a 41 year old, it's going to either be your heart or your brain. And when you think about sinus, what can masquerade as a sinus infection and ultimately be a cause of desk death? There's a couple of things. One's, what's Called cvst. Central Venous Sinus Thrombosis. Very rare condition. Probably I've only seen it about five times in my career, but it presents with sinus pain, sinus pressure. You think you have a really bad sinus infection, and what's really going on is you've got a lot of inflammation kind of in your sinus area, a bacterial infection, and ultimately causes a clot in the blood vessels that drain the sinuses. And so when that clot forms back behind your sinuses, the blood can't drain and ultimately creates a lot of pressure on the brain and ultimately a bleed. And that head bleed obviously can cause death. So that's one rare cause that can masquerade as, like, a sinus infection. The other thing is some people call sinus infection upper respiratory infection. So if you've truly just had upper respiratory type symptoms, just like Dr. Lajita said, the cause of death could be something like myocarditis or a heart infection or a very severe pneumonia leading to respiratory death. But. But as an ER doc, when you come in to the hospital and you look well and you're a 41 year old, we think that you probably are well. And don't think of these rare instances and rare causes. And there's very specific types of testing to identify these types of conditions that aren't typically done unless we have a high suspicion or you look very ill.
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Megyn Kelly
Dr. Parrott, let me ask you a question. We had friends who had to bring their family member into the ER for a sinus infection, where their family member started to feel like they're starting to black out. They thought it was just a sinus infection, but then it was clearly an emergency situation, so they brought him into the er and it became very clear to the ER docs that there was something wrong with his brain. And it turned out he needed emergency brain surgery. And my understanding is they believe that this sinus infection had somehow traveled to his brain. That might be just be my layperson's description of what I know, but they had to do emergency brain surgery on him, and he would have died if they hadn't done. It was all related. So could this have been like, is there some sort of sinus infection that can travel to the brain and cause death if not detected?
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Yeah, great question, Megan. So your brain and sinuses are very closely in process proximity. And so anytime you get a sinus infection, there's a great barrier between your sinuses and your brain to keep your brain from getting that same infection. However, there are blood vessels that are very close. And in some people, that. That infection can spread to the bloodstream, can make its way to the brain, can cause things like meningitis, can cause an abscess, can cause a blood clot.
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Megyn Kelly
That's what I think it was, an abscess.
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Yeah. And those have to be surgically addressed immediately. Otherwise they could. Could lead to death.
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Megyn Kelly
Could. Could that be consistent with what you're hearing, with, like, him having symptoms and then the day of, like, going out and about, like, not. Not in bed, like, maybe just thinking it's a sinus infection, I'm going to function.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
When.
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
When you're a tough guy like Kyle Busch, you can take a lot of pain. And so I am certain a young, healthy guy like this that sits in that car and is an athlete was minimizing his symptoms. Probably a normal person would have sought care more quickly, sooner. But here's a tough guy that's used to putting up with pain. And so by the time he got to medical treatment, he was probably in a very severe condition. And if it was an abscess, if it was a blood clot, it may have been too late to intervene at that time.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, before I go back to Dr. Lahita now, I have everybody in the audience who gets sinus infections worried about whether it's going to travel to their brain. Right. So it's like, how do you know if it's just like, a regular sinus infection or something that could be potentially deadly?
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Can I answer that? You. You usually. Oh, yeah, usually in a severe sinus infection which really travels to the brain, you have to have, or you should have a very high fever. Fever would denote something a little bit more than a chronic sinusitis, which is an inflamed sinus. So a fever that might result as a result of the meningitis that ensues after the bacteria travel to the brain would cause a significant feeling of malaise, fever, weakness, an inability to function. Now, the other thing is, if he blew a blood vessel or had a cerebral hemorrhage, that could also cause immediate death, and that would be a tremendous tragedy. This sinus that he had, I'm sure Dr. Perrin would agree, is not something that would be. If it's traveling to the brain, is not something that would be. In 24 hours, it usually has to be cooking for a while, and then the high fever would be noted. And I don't know what the injection would have been that he was seeking. That's interesting.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. I mean, could it be like a steroid or Something to take down the inflammation. I mean, I don't know what kind of an injection you would get for a sinus infection, but I can understand how it would get worse when you're driving so fast. You're measuring it in GS, usually an
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Dr. Bob Lahita
antibiotic, you would think, hmm.
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Megyn Kelly
So listen to this, you guys. This just came in. This is being reported by TMZ, which has gotten its hands on the 911 call that was made, we believe, by the folks at the simulator facility after Kyle went down, after they determined that he was non responsive. And there's some description in here of the symptoms that they were observing. Let's listen. I've got an individual that's.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Shortness of breath, very hot.
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Megyn Kelly
Think she's going to pass out. And is. Is produced a little bit of blood, Coughing up some blood.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
He is awake.
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Megyn Kelly
He's awake.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
He's. He's on the bathroom floor right now.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay,
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Dr. Bob Lahita
so when you come in, if you could not make it, can you turn the sirens off?
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, when you. When you get here.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
And. And there's a. So when you come into the main entrance of the building, the closest way to get to him is if you
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Megyn Kelly
go to the left.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Like, you'll come in and the parking
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Megyn Kelly
lot splits to the right or the left.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Just tell them to go to the left. I'll be out here waiting on them.
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Megyn Kelly
All right, we're just going to play it one more time so you can focus in on the description at the top, which I just want to hear that one more time.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
I've got an individual, that shortness of breath, very hot.
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Megyn Kelly
Thinks he's going to pass out and produce a little bit of blood. Coughing up some blood.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
He is awake. He's awake. He's. He's on the bathroom floor right now.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay,
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Dr. Bob Lahita
so when you come in, if you could not make it.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, can you turn the side? Yeah, we got it.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
So there's some details in there. I mean, that's Exactly. You know, Dr. Parrot, this is. This is what you would get from the EMTs who would have brought him into you. What did you glean from that description?
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Yeah, this shifts our focus to a respiratory issue. So he's fever, short of breath, coughing up blood. Highly suspicious for severe pneumonia at this point. And there are a couple of strains of pneumonia in young people that can cause a rapid decline. So. So when we heard originally that he had sinus symptoms, he may have meant that I just have an upper respiratory infection. I've got upper respiratory symptoms. This paints the Picture of a young man that has severe pneumonia. Things like MRSA pneumonia can cause bleeding in the airway, and you can actually suffocate from that blood that you've produced and that bleeding in your airway very quickly. So I think this shifts the thought that this may have been a cerebral issue to a respiratory issue.
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Megyn Kelly
Dr. Lajita, what did you hear in there that jumped out at you?
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Dr. Bob Lahita
I heard the bleeding from the lung, the coughing up blood, which we know is associated with pneumonia. And I do know that right now I'm seeing a lot of patients with what are called multifocal areas of infection, multifocal pneumonias, very severe pneumonias causing sepsis, depending on your age. Now, he's only 41, so he can handle that. But I have patients who are in their 70s and 80s who are in the hospital in shock from septic shock, which would definitely kill a 70 or 80 year old. But a 41 year old, this is a little unusual. It has to be a pretty severe infection. The other thing that goes back to what I'm thinking is the pulmonary embolus. I have seen so many people, I'm sure Dr. Perrin will agree, who. Who die from acute pulmonary emboli. And that is a big clot that goes to the lung. And, you know, if these little clots go to the lung before the big one, they cough up a lot of blood. And the third thing is congestive heart failure. One can cough up blood with congestive heart failure and pulmonary or lung edema. Fluid in the lungs, lots of fluid. And the hemopter.
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Megyn Kelly
What would cause a puma? What would cause the pe? I remember that from my ER watching days. They. They would dread the pe, you know, and even we would come to know, oh, God, it's a pe. What would cause that?
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Well, with. With. With Kyle's job, we'll do the heater
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Megyn Kelly
and then we'll go to you.
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Okay, good.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Well, a P.E. would come from. We call that pro coagulant. You can have a deep vein clot in your legs from sitting too long. You can have it from having a disorder of your blood, which is called pro coagulation, meaning your blood tends to clot prematurely. We see a lot of that in the hospital. And so that is always a possibility. Pulmonary emboli cause a lot of sudden deaths. You don't have to be old to get a PE. You don't have to. You can see PEs and teens. You can see it in early 20s and certainly in a 40 year old.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, my gosh. But there wouldn't be, like, advance notice of a PE, would there, Dr. Parrott? Like, are we, like, if we're going with respiratory and following what you just said, maybe it wasn't a sinus infection. Maybe it was something like a pneumonia that he wrongly thought was a sinus infection. Would. Would that relate to pe?
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
It can any. Anytime you get an infection, it creates an inflammatory state in your body, and so that's a pro. Coagulant. So any type of infection. And then Kyle sits down. He's a. He's a race car driver. The sitting position for prolonged periods of time can allow you to develop clots. So it could be that he had some infection, and then because of that inflammation in his system and sitting down in a simulator for a long period of time had developed a clot in his leg and broke loose and suddenly caused an embolism to the lung. It's really hard to say without having imaging a CT scan, but if he came into my er, he'd be getting a CT scan of his chest, looking for both pneumonia, both PE to try to identify the cause.
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Megyn Kelly
Are you surprised to hear the caller say he's awake? Apparently, if you listen to the whole thing, he says it three times. He is awake. He's awake, he's awake. We heard the part where he said he. He's awake, but he's on the floor. So he was conscious and having symptoms, and I don't know. It feels like. I don't know. It's just my frustration. Should have been savable. Should have been savable. Like, how. How can. Can you. If a PE was the problem, would that not be savable? You know what I mean? What could it have been that would have killed him? From the time of the simulator to the time he presumably was taken to the error on our list of suspects, Dr. Parrott?
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Yeah. So most PEs, it's very rare to die at 41 of acute PE. The treatment that we have today, we can give you blood thinners, we can go in there and grab that clot, we can do an embolectomy, get you over there and remove the clot. However, if you filled up your airway with fluid, blood, and you can't oxygenate, even if we put you on a ventilator, and this is due to a pneumonia or an infection, and we can't oxygenate you because your lungs aren't functioning, they're full of infection, they're full of fluid, they're full of blood that can cause death unless you get on ecmo, which is a way to bypass the lungs and still oxygenate your blood. That could cause death.
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Megyn Kelly
Dr. Lajita, would it be a standard practice in a case like this, do you think? If he comes in and says, I think I have a sinus infection, I'm all stuffed up, I'm in pain in my face. To do a lung X ray, which is. I know that that would be the standard. If you suspected pneumonia.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
That's correct, yes. Pneumonia. You'd listen to the lungs carefully. You would do a complete cardiac exam. You would really get the picture. And I don't know if he had a physician that was frequently examining him. Most athletes of his caliber are followed medically fairly assiduously.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, there's that one doctor 11 days before he died who gave him a shot of something and knew he was ill. He was talking about it. I've heard the audio. Him in the car. So clearly there was medical care involved in some way.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Yeah. Now, I don't remember. Megan, did they say he had a fever? The, the, the guy that they said,
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Megyn Kelly
he's very high, he's going to pass out. That's shortness of breath, blood. He's coughing up blood and is awake on the floor, very hot.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
That's suggestive of an infection, as Dr. Perrin and I believe that suggests that he could have had pneumonia, severe pneumonia, because you don't. With a blood clot. That's a significant blood clot, a pulmonary embolus. You don't usually have a high fever at the outset. I mean, it takes the pneumonia, the infection that's causing all of this to really cause problems. And it's likely that the doctor a couple days earlier that gave him the shot, gave him a shot of an antibiotic, which doesn't cover it. I mean, if he's that severely ill, he should have been on. Should have been in the hospital on IV therapy, IV antibiotic therapy, because he probably was septic and sepsis with a high fever, coughing up blood. That's imminent death unless treated aggressively.
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Megyn Kelly
That's awful. I don't know any of the details of how far away the center where he was doing the simulator was from an emergency care hospital or what the level of trauma care they were able to give was. All those details will come out. And did you now, did you say it's mandatory for a 41 year old? Was that just like loosely mandatory or actually mandatory for hospitals to give an autopsy to a 41 year old?
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Mandatory
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Megyn Kelly
so there will be an autopsy?
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Yes. I mean, I don't know. Dr. Perrin, how is it in Texas? I know in the New York metropolitan area it's mandated in a young person
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
who dies in Texas, it depends on if you have an explainable cause of death. So if the doctors were comfortable, they knew what caused this, there was no foul play. It is not mandatory, but you have to have an explainable cause of death.
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Megyn Kelly
I feel like any spouse, you know, a young woman like his wife is, would want one because they have kids. You want to know, like, you want to rule out, was this something genetic that we need to be testing for and the in the next gen, and so we need to be on alert for it. I'm sure she's not thinking entirely straight, but, you know, I think whenever your spouse would die suddenly of a medical thing, you'd be worried about your children too, and just, just ruling things out. It's such an awful tragedy. Guys, thanks so much for pinch hitting on short notice and offering your expertise to us and our viewers.
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Dr. Dirk Parrott
Absolutely.
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Dr. Bob Lahita
Thank you.
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Megyn Kelly
Really appreciate it. Wow. Say a prayer. Say a prayer for that grieving family. It's so sudden. Death is just so awful. It's so awful. You know, it's like for the person who goes, we all kind of hope we'll go suddenly, right? It's like, you know, I mean, for the, for the rest of the people out there, that's not going to happen to any of us listening, dying, we're just going to stick around. But for the family, it's just so painful. There's no chance to say goodbye. There's no chance to acclimate yourself to the possibility of one going. And when there's children involved, just so much acute pain for the mother to deal with their grief. Being a single mom in a minute, you know, look at this guy. He's like a strong, tall, professional athlete, fierce. You know, the way he would battle rhetorically and take no. You know what? Like. I'm sure she's used to being protected by him. I'm sure he was the alpha figure in the family and now he's gone and she's going to need a lot of support, and I'll bet you anything she's going to get it. The NASCAR family's very close, and I'm sure the fans are just wondering what they can do. Maybe we'll start a GoFundMe or something to help. I'm sure they weren't hurting for money, but there's got to be some way of sending her and the kids our love. It should start with prayer. Thank you all for tuning in and Listening to that, we're going to move on to other news because we do have a whole show lined up for you on Kelly's Court. And we have just gotten ourselves a hold of some exclusive video in connection with the young Scottish man we told you about yesterday who was stabbed to death by a man in England who said he was allowed to carry this amazing, terrifying knife thanks to his religion and did in fact stab this 18 year old young man with it. The cops came, the stabber claimed that he was the victim. He accused the victim of shouting some sort of racial epithet at him of which there is zero proof. And as this young man lay dying, the police told him he wasn't, that he hadn't been stabbed, they didn't know anything. And did his assailant cry out? No, he has been stabbed. I'm sorry, it was an accident. Or it was self defense, which is what he's now claiming as that case is on trial this minute in the U.K. no, he didn't. He kept his mouth shut. There's been almost no photographic evidence of the alleged perpetrator here, the defendant, somehow he's all been scrubbed from the Internet. Well, we've gotten our hands exclusively on a video that shows him up close and personal with not one, but two knives, one of which appears to be a sword. I mean, a long sword like an epi. And we're going to show it to you next. Let's talk about an uncomfortable reality. What happens financially to our loved ones once we are no longer here? We put off thinking about it for obvious reasons, but the best thing we can do for our family is to ensure that they are not left with a financial burden of mortgage, tuition, medical bills, all of it. Fortunately, taking steps to financially protect your family is easier nowadays than it used to be. And that's where Ethos comes in. Ethos makes getting life insurance fast and easy and 100% online. You can get a quote in seconds, apply in minutes, and even get same day coverage. There's no medical exam and all you need to do is just answer a few simple health questions and boom, Bob's your uncle. You can get up to 3 million bucks in coverage. You get the lowest rate from their network of trusted carriers with some policies as low as $30 a month. It's no wonder why Ethos has 4.8 out of 5 stars on Trustpilot with over 4000 reviews. Take 10 minutes to get covered today with life insurance through Ethos. Get your free quote@ethos.com MK that's e t h o s.com Application times may vary. Rates may vary too. The Second World War is the largest event in human history. A 20 part documentary series with Tom Hanks. No part of the globe was untouched, no life unchanged.
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Mark Eiglarsch
It's just bizarre. I don't know what to make of it. I mean, the first thing is I thought it was a given that it was a mask. And then you're raising, well, it could be a shadow. I'm like, oh, wait, let's give him the. Let's give him the presumption of innocence here. Maybe it's not a mask. And if it's not a mask, then what the hell are we doing talking about it, Right? But if it is, what is it?
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Megyn Kelly
Well, Viva Fry, who we love, he's a lawyer too. He's a journalist. And he said he's. He. He thinks it's a shadow. He thinks if you watch this Mark, which is horizontal across his throat, right? Exactly where a mask that you might pull over your head would end. He thinks it's mirror. It's mirroring his lip movements. And I can see what he means there it is kind of mirroring his lip movements. So I don't know what that tells us. J like it. I don't know. Theory is also that somehow it's a reflection of the teleprompter. But, Viva, there would be no teleprompter for the guest. You guys have been guests on Fox News countless times. The guest does not get a teleprompter. At best, they get a little camera that they look into. So. And the camera doesn't cast shadow on the per. On the guest. So I don't. Maybe it's his shirt causing a shadow. I don't know. Jonna, what do you think?
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Janice Bilboer
Well, I originally thought, before I realized that this wasn't zoom. Sometimes Zoom, when it enhances your image can make things look really weird. But I actually think if it's a mask, this guy's onto something. Megan, hear me out. I know this probably doesn't happen to you, but it's happened to me. How many times do you wake up in the morning one day and you're like, oh, no, my Botox wore off. Right? And then you got. And you have tv, right? You've got some big thing. You got a big computer, like, shoot. Okay, let me get the mask and until you can get to your Botox doctor.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Objection. Unrelated.
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Janice Bilboer
I love it. You can't object.
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Mark Eiglarsch
No. What is it?
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Megyn Kelly
It would be so helpful. Wait, we actually pulled video from the Internet of somebody putting on an ultra realistic silicone.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. Amazing. Watch this. All right, so the listening audience. You got to go to the show at 44 after the hour, and look at this. He's putting on his face. He's pulling it to sort of get it on the nose properly. He's putting the bottom neck underneath his T shirt. He's putting on a cap so you can hide the weirdness. Oh, he looks very creepily real.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Would not know.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Megan, in the interest of disclosure, I just. I wanted to say something.
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Megyn Kelly
Thing. Oh, God. Don't freak me out. No. Ew, you're freaking me out. He's pretending to fall off his mask. Let me tell you something. So the Internet was going nuts with this last night, yours truly included. And one of the clips that started to circulate was of the. I didn't even know there was such a person. The former chief of disguise at the CIA. Coolest job ever. Who doesn't want that job? Her name is Jona Mendez. And she went on, you know the singer Jennifer Hudson? She had a talk show for a while. And this woman went on, I mean, like, so random.
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Mark Eiglarsch
What?
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Megyn Kelly
The former CIA chief of disguise speaking to Jennifer Hudson and talked about how this is absolutely something they do at CIA. A full head mask that you put on over that, that has like the neck ending. And they used it. And she talked about when she revealed it to a former president in the Oval Office. Watch this. What's the most memorable moment from being in disguise for you? There were a number of them, but the one, I mean, one that has to stand out. I went to the White House. House and I briefed George H.W. bush, the president at the time, while I was wearing a full face mask. So we're sitting like this close together, and I'm telling him that I'm going To show him the best disguise that we have. And he's looking for a bag like where, where is it? I said, well, I'm wearing it and I'm going to take it off. And I reached to start taking it off and he said stop. And he got up and he walked and he looked and he looked at it. He couldn't, he didn't know it was a mask. He wasn't sure what I was wearing. He sat back down, he said, okay, so I took it off and I was holding it up in the air so he could see it. My whole head, it had hair and a face and a neck. So you could walk around as someone else. Absolutely. And that would be the disguise? Absolutely. That be would, was a great disguise. Go Jennifer.
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Mark Eiglarsch
But go, go Sally Jesse years ago.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow, that was random. You can't make it up. But there for the listening audience, there she, there's a picture of her behind her, talking of her holding her little mask up like a, like almost like a severed head sitting in the Oval. And it, it's, it is not impossible at all that this guy for some reason was wearing an actual mask. We just don't know why. Now if this guy's former CIA talking on America's Newsroom, I think I'd be convinced, Mark. But he's former centcom, right?
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Mark Eiglarsch
What's his motive?
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Megyn Kelly
And he doesn't. Right, yeah, he doesn't have the, he's bald. He doesn't need to worry about the hair, the wrinkles.
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Janice Bilboer
Maybe he's not bald.
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Megyn Kelly
What? Yeah, and also, well, unless this isn't him. Like I think that's the theory by some. So here's an earlier shot of him on a different appearance where he does look a little bit more rugged and less smooth than in this other one on America's Newsroom. But I think the question is guys, was it actually this man, Robert Harward on America's Newsroom? Because you know, I've listened to the audience. Many of them thought that Joe Biden had a look alike or sort of a stand in who wore a Joe Biden mask many, many times. And there would be videos on the Internet they cut were like, you could see the height differential. We had tons of video of Joe Biden next to Jill Biden. And in a couple of videos, you know, and he was infirm, you'd see him much shorter, like almost her height. And people be like, whoa, what happened? You don't shrink, you know, by six inches. So can we rule it out or are we just getting pulled into the madness that's in the ether right now with all the aliens coming out and all the things we were told were bullshit are true, right?
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Mark Eiglarsch
Bigfoot is alive. We know that now. It's real.
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Megyn Kelly
We did a segment on that on America's News one time too. In the doldrums of summer Eyeglass. It's hard. It's hard to fill the two hours of airtime.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Can't we just talk about a murder?
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Megyn Kelly
I know something simple to solve. All right, so we don't have answers. Is that basically where we don't know? What's your vote? If you have to vote, what was it a mask or not? What do you say, Jona?
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Janice Bilboer
It kind of looks like a mask, but if you're that sophisticated where you're going to put on somebody else's face, wouldn't it be a little bit longer? Wouldn't you wear a scarf like a Austin Powers do something to cover that
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Megyn Kelly
up like an ascot?
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Mark Eiglarsch
Yeah. I'm going with Shadow. This is much ado about nothing.
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Megyn Kelly
Nothing.
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Mark Eiglarsch
No.
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Megyn Kelly
I don't know if you're legit.
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Mark Eiglarsch
You don't know.
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Megyn Kelly
It moves just like the bottom of a mask. It really does. I guess I'll go with Shadow because, you know, Occam's razor, simplest explanation is usually the best. And again, why would this guy be wearing a mask? And his voice sounds just like the voice of the actual Robert Harward in other hits. So I don't believe it was a different person. But will we ever know? He's going to have to put out a statement. I guarantee you we are T minus like two hours from him putting out a statement or doing a hit. He's going to show up and we'll update the audience with that video when it happens. All right, stand by guys, because we've got so many medical or sorry, legal cases to get to and there, there's some, some good ones today while I have you. It is Friday and that means it is the one day of the week we send you an email if you are on our list. We don't sell our list like so many others so we can make money off of you. We just send you one email a week and in it we give you all the news of the week in 60 seconds or less. If you just want to read the opening bullet point, bullet points, you'll be up to speed. This week we're going to give you a bunch of behind the scenes stuff, videos that you may have missed that are, we think are our best. And there's always the most clicked on item and that would be Strudwick Brunt. My little red boy who is very very naughty. Though not as naughty as he used to be. He is getting better. So thanks to all of you who told me when he was just a 1 and 2 and and 3 year old lab that if I just waited he would get better. You never said perfect and that's good. You didn't totally mislead me. He's not perfect and I don't think he's ever going to be. But we always put an update on Strudwick in there and fortunately or unfortunately, to quote our president, he always gives me an update. If you are heading into summer without a medical emergency kit, you're taking a risk most people don't think about until it's too late. Summer colds linger and can turn into sinus infections that last for weeks. Can I tell you, my friend's family member just had one of these that got out of control. Actually dangerous. You do have to stay on top of sinus infections. Getting sick right before vacation can derail everything. And when you're traveling, finding a doctor and pharmacy is stressful. But let me tell you about the Medical Emergency kit from the Wellness Company. It's like an urgent care and a pharmacy right at home. It includes essential prescriptions like amoxicillin and generic Z packs to treat a wide range of common and serious illnesses. No waiting for your doctor, no hours at urgent care, no pharmacy lines, no co pays. Just match your symptoms to the right prescription in your guidebook or call their telemed doctor standing by, starting your meds sooner and feel better faster. Order yours online in minutes and it is shipped to your door and save 45 bucks with my promo code MK@urgent care kit.com MK that's promo code MK. Go to urgent carekit.com MK back with me now are the hosts of Positively Legal on our MK True Crime channel. That's a, that's a podcast that's called MK True Crime. You can go over there and subscribe and listen to Positively Legal and enjoy. These are our Kelly's court OGs, Mark Eiglarsch and Janice Bilboer. Check out mktruecrime.com to find out all the platforms that they are on and how to subscribe. By the way, new episodes of Positively Legal drop every Wednesday. We call it Positively Legal because these two happen to be like these crushing killer lawyers who are actually always affable and can always find the positive in a situation. And it's a Fun show. Here's just a little. We pulled a sound bite just so people can get a flavor of what they might find on Positively Legal here in Sat 20.
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Janice Bilboer
You know that you are so busy and stressed when you get a text from your Botox doctor checking on your well being. Which I did, by the way. My Botox doctor's like, hey, everything okay? Like, he literally did a welfare check because I haven't been there. Why? Because we're so busy. I'm busy, you're busy.
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Mark Eiglarsch
And I have mixed feelings about a Botox doctor. Really? Botox doctor? I mean, he's not your heart doctor. He wants to put stuff in your face.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, yes, yes, yes.
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Janice Bilboer
And anywhere else that I'll let him put it. So. I miss him.
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Megyn Kelly
Mark, you don't know. Not everybody wakes up gorgeous like you.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Stop it.
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Megyn Kelly
The rest of us have to fight for it. John, I support you in having the Botox doctor on speed dial.
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Janice Bilboer
I'm gonna turn. Mark. You know men are doing it too, Mark.
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Megyn Kelly
Sure, yeah.
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Mark Eiglarsch
I get accused.
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Megyn Kelly
They are. You'd be surprised. No. Ain't going to do it. Yeah. I will never get Doug to do it, but I do know some people in television and even in government who are getting the Botox. And I speak of men. I mean, women, it's like, not a shock, but. But even men. And if they get it done right, you don't even notice. You just think that they look great. You can't tell. But if they're like, smile ends here. When you know, like, their eyes never, then, you know, that's where a lot of guys get it. And of course, the famous 11
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Mark Eiglarsch
is a pickleball.
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Megyn Kelly
I didn't. I'm glad that statement ended where it did. Okay, I want to kick this off with this horrific Henry Nowak case. So he's a Scot and he's. He was going to college in Great Britain in the English city of Southampton. He was walking home after a night out with friends. Yesterday, we said this happened in 2023. I'd like to correct that. It was 2025. It was December of 2025. He was walking home, first year college student studying accounting from a night out with friends. He had been drinking, but not much. He was not legally drunk. And a man approached him named Vikram Digua, who is Sikh and dresses in traditional Sikh garb and carries knives as part of that chosen garb. You're not allowed to carry certain knives in Great Britain, but there's an exception if it's for your religion. So, for example, he carried an 8 inch long Shastar which is a knife as well as a Sikh Kirpan, a ceremonial blade. All right, so we're showing a picture of it now and of this particular guy. In the uk, Sikhs are legally permitted to carry a Kirpan knife in public as it's protected under religious exemption laws. Okay. So this, they, the two men had an encounter in which Vikram and Henry exchanged words of some sort. And the next thing we know, Henry gets stabbed four times by Vikram. Those facts are not in dispute that that is what happened. What words were said, whether the stabbing was in self defense as Vikram is now claiming in court, we don't know. But that's basically what the arguments are. Unfortunately, Henry is not here to testify in his own defense because he died from those injuries. And the police behavior around his dying moments is absolutely outrageous. And one of the things I believe that made this an international scandal because it turned out as he lay dying and handcuffed because his assailant was saying, he called me a racist name. He, he was, he said, shouted something racist at me and the cops believed him slapping cuffs on Henry. Henry was bleeding out and about to. The reports are basically drown on his own blood that was filling up his lungs where he had been stabbed by Vikram and said I've been stabbed to the police who said I don't believe you have, mate. And this poor 18 year old kid is now dead. So his accused assailant is on trial in Great Britain and is acting the choir boy. I, it was self defense. He called me a racist name. I was worried he was gonna stab me with my weird knives. And weirdly it's actually there's precious little photography or other pictures of this guy Vikram Digua on the Internet we've looked at. But we were past a video by a source that shows the defendant in his Sikh gear and he's got the one knife across him. There's this one sort of, I don't know how you describe it, but like a, it's, it's a knife that sort of cuts in half. It's like has a 90 degree angle on it. I mean it's absolutely lethal looking. And in this particular, in this particular video, I think you'll see that knife or at least a strap to it on his chest along with a sword, the kind of sword the college kids use when they're doing sword fighting. You know, I think they call it an EPI in his hand, in his other hand, I mean a full sword walking around the streets of England. And what's interesting to me is you will hear him. They are, they object in the beginning of the video I'm about to show you to him being recorded, which is another thing that allegedly happened during his confrontation with Henry. Henry took out his phone and started videotaping this guy. He reportedly didn't like that. And through one act or another, Vikram, the defendant wound up with Henry's phone on him. And his mother is accused of helping him hide some of that evidence. Now if Vikram did nothing wrong, you would think he'd say, hey police, here's my phone and here's Henry's phone. You know you're going to hear a racial epithet on there. That's not what happened. He didn't tell people they found the phone on him. But listen here carefully and you will also hear him objecting to the recording or his friend. Listen, recording, recording him. Recording him. From. We will see. K. Not nice. Not nice, not nice. Now let me tell you something else. My source tells me that this man victim was known to police and this, this wasn't his first brush with them. I find that easy to believe. If he's walking around the streets of England with an actual sword out, it's not sheathed, it's in his hand. He's having yet another angry confrontation with somebody to the point where that person felt they ought to take out their camera and record what this guy was doing. Doesn't mean he didn't kill Henry in self defense, but it doesn't look good. So let me start with you on it. Jona, what do you make of this trial? Because it's underway right now and unfortunately our friends in the UK have lost their minds when it comes to race, free speech and even the possibility of a racist thought or word. Here in America, it's not illegal to be a racist or even to say racist things. And believe it or not, that's a good thing. My friends, it's not like we all want to be racist and run around saying racist things, but we don't want to criminalize even the most, the most controversial behaviors or statements that it crosses over into unlawful if you act on it and in the employment context and that's your motivation for a decision, et cetera. But over in the UK you actually can get arrested for like being a racist. Having a racist thought or behavior or statement could actually get you arrested over there. And I do believe that's why Henry wound up with the cuffs on him because they took this guy's word for it. Your thoughts?
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Janice Bilboer
Well, it's disgusting and over here, that would not happen. Because over here, if police happen upon a scene and one guy is brandishing or has weapons on his body and another guy is laying in the street bleeding out, the person with the weapons is going to get subdued first, not the victim. So that's number one. Number two, so many facts about this. Megan, really rubbed me the wrong way. And for example, I don't care how drunk any college student gets. Do you think that person is going to approach somebody who's wearing knives? I mean, just. It wouldn't happen that way. So who really was the aggressor here? Who really was the one making the first move? Who. Who set out to possibly stab somebody and make this. What could be a false claim of self defense? I have a lot of questions in this case, Megan.
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Megyn Kelly
Mark, the police say there's something major we're leaving out.
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Mark Eiglarsch
To me, this is everything. And I'm so glad that both of you didn't say it. So I get to say it. I don't know what the facts are, but I do know that there are stab wounds to the kid's legs, his hind legs, which would indicate that he was turned away from this guy. End of story. On self defense.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes, because police say that Digwa, the defendant was, quote, aggressively pursuing Henry. Aggressively pursuing him, leaving a trail of blood. After the first attack, Henry tried to flee, but was pursued and further assaulted, being stabbed four times. Mark. So you're right. It's a great point. But he's. He's in court right now claiming. And of course, Henry's not there. Claiming Henry called him a racial slur and that he was worried Henry was going to grab his gun. Sorry, his knife. I'm focused on America. His knife. And stab him with it. Because Henry was drunk and verbally aggressive. And I guess in this guy's story, in the mood to commit an assault on this poor innocent seek.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Okay. It is so predictable. And maybe it's because John and I do this work all the time. You start with a guy who's not gonna say, okay, you got me. I stabbed the college kid because I'm aggressive and I've got issues. And I didn't like the way he was looking at me or maybe something that he said. He's not gonna say that. He knows he's going to the pokey for years if he does. So let's go to the playbook. Let's add in something that's the worst you could say about someone, especially in that country, apparently. So he made some of these racial remarks about me.
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Megyn Kelly
Aha.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Let's shift it over and make him the criminal. And we'll also say he's unarmed, but he was gonna use my weapon and harm me.
- [64:59]
Megyn Kelly
Aha.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Okay. And it worked so effectively. This guy played law enforcement like a fiddle because this guy who's got injuries, he's dying, he's bleeding out. They put handcuffs on him. If that happened here, people would be looking for a new job for sure and maybe would find themselves in the pokey.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. And they didn't. They didn't put handcuffs on. On Vikram, the defendant. Janna. That's what's. It's so outrageous. They took his word for it that a racial slur had been uttered. They put handcuffs on the man who was stabbed and down. They clearly didn't identify or examine him to see whether his claims of having been stabbed were true. Because they. They were true. Then they were telling him that they weren't. A post mortem reports News Nation found that he suffered four stab wounds and a cut to his jaw with two of the wounds, as Mark points out, to the back of his legs. Now I can see how maybe they wouldn't find the back of the legs if. If it hadn't bled through, if it. Whatever. But like, you do a cursory examination before you decide whether the man needs medical help or not, and they weren't interested at all. So, like, Elon Musk is threatening right now or offering right now to fund the wrongful death lawsuit by Henry's family against the UK police. I mean, separate and apart from the legal liability or the. The guilt or innocence of Vikram, there may be something there in the civil courts.
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Janice Bilboer
There very well may, because it's absolutely ridiculous that you're handcuffing somebody who's bleeding out and dying. And what did the police do? I'm wondering when they approached the scene, did they just say to the defendant, hey, you know what? Can you just put that knife in your back pocket for me? Can you not wear it around your neck while we're processing this poor guy who's about to die? Like how. I don't understand how that works. And maybe because I'm not familiar with how they do things over in the uk, but it would never happen here. NYPD walks up to somebody who's wearing a couple of knives around his neck. That guy is going down that he might not get back.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Janice Bilboer
Until they figure it out.
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Mark Eiglarsch
And I mean, by the way, Megan,
- [67:00]
Megyn Kelly
you got a full sword. That's crazy. I don't know if he had it that night. But, like, he clearly walked around with it. Go ahead, Mark.
- [67:07]
Mark Eiglarsch
I'm putting myself in the shoes of this. This guy, the victim. If I see a man walking down the street holding a knife outward, one that could kill, where I might be taking photos, I might be videoing, because that would look to me so unusual that I would think something's about to go down. That's all I'm saying. Call me a racist.
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Megyn Kelly
Maybe I just don't understand UK that you're.
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Mark Eiglarsch
You're. That, that, that. That's a religious thing. Okay, Kill me, you know, for that. But I would probably think, oh, my.
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Megyn Kelly
Don't say that, right?
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Mark Eiglarsch
Something's about to happen and I'm going to pull out my phone and keep an eye on him.
- [67:43]
Janice Bilboer
No, you know what I would do.
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Megyn Kelly
He was reportedly. Henry, out of there. Henry was. Henry was reportedly speaking to friends on Snapchat. That's why he had the phone. I don't. I guess it was like a FaceTime kind of situation. When he came across Digwa, they did exchange words. Noak is heard saying in it, bad man. What bad man? You're a bad man. Say you're a bad man. Go on. Digwa responds, I am a bad man. And Nowak replies, are you A. And this is the only way I've seen it reported. B before the footage cuts off. And I don't know what that means. I have no idea what B stands for or what he was asking, and I haven't seen it fully reported. Police were called to the scene. Bitch, maybe. But that, like, no one's printing out the word, you know, like I think it. They might just be able to tell that he said some word beginning with B. I have no idea. Idea. But police were called. They arrested Nowak. And Digua claimed he'd been racially abused. His brother. Digua's brother says, we've just been attacked by someone. Racially. We got attacked racially by some white person. The brother says, he physically attacked my brother. We're Sikhs. We wear turbans. And he attacked my brother. The police body cam footage was shown in court. Noak repeatedly told officers, I've been stabbed. I can't breathe. They put handcuffs on Noak, who was lying on his side. He was saying, I'm stabbed. The other officer, the officer told Nowak he was under arrest for suspicion of assault. He said, I've been stabbed. A male voice says, I don't think you have, mate. Diga, the prosecutor says, did not seek help for Nowak. Instead, he accused him of Being a racist and being drunk. After he collapsed, police started rendering aid. Digua now wants you to believe this was all self defense. If it were self defense, wouldn't he have said that in the moment, Jona, Wouldn't he have said, I stabbed him because he was going to stab me? Wouldn't he have said while the guy was lying there dying and his assault charge was turning into a murder charge, he has been stabbed. He, he has been stabbed. The guy's in handcuffs that he knows he's not going to get away with this shit. So like he behaved like a man who had consciousness of guilt.
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Janice Bilboer
He led with, you know, he made a racial slur. He, he led with, you know, he made a comment about my turban. You know, it reminds me a lot of, that's the buzzword that he knew he needed to say, like hands up, don't shoot, like that kind of stuff was going on and he just spewed it out and the police bought it hook, line and sinker. And now we have a dead kid. So yeah, it's really, it's disgusting.
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Megyn Kelly
He says to the police, he came at me, he barged into me. I was racially and physically abused by Henry Nowak. I was petrified as he pulled out his phone to record his attack. But you know what's not in evidence, Mark? Any video of Henry Nowak saying anything racial whatsoever or friends who had been listening to him prior on Snapchat, taking the witness stand to say, yeah, I did hear him use a racial epithet and referring to these two Sikh guys. None of that. There's been no evidence other than the defendant who's worried about going to prison.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Yeah, I suspect that that might not be true. But putting it aside, let's just say, as you said earlier, let's say because even a, you know, prostitute can be raped and even, even someone a racist, hypothetically, and we're not saying he is, can be, you know, can walk on the street, not have issues. Right. And doesn't deserve to be stabbed. But I keep focusing on, okay, one guy had the knife. The guy who's walking down the street, the alleged perpetrators walking down the street, how does he fear that the victim's going to get ahold of his knife? Cuz that's what we're talking about. The moment before stabbing, did the perpetrator reasonably believe death or great bodily harm? And you can say, yeah, I believed he was gonna get my knife. How though? How was he gonna get it? You had it. It's not like he was grabbing at it and he took it be detailed. How is he gonna do that? Not just in theory. He could get my knife, so I just stabbed him. And I think that that's at best what the guy's claiming.
- [72:01]
Megyn Kelly
Well, there's more to the story because there are some key videos. They're not. It's not like our Florida courts, God bless you, Mark, where we have the Sunshine Law and then we get to see everything that happens over in the uk you see nothing. So they're not releasing even the evidence publicly, at least for now. So I only have descriptions of the videos that they're showing to the jury. But apparently there was a video shown to the jury of Noak scrambling over a fence to try to escape Digua after he was stabbed. And a separate video shows Digua and his brother accused Noak of racially and verbally attacking Digua. And Noak can be heard denying that they're like you, you called us a racial epithet or whatever. And Noak in his dying declaration denies it. Digwa is heard saying, no one stabbed you, bro. You're something up, I presume. Effed up. You're drunk. Meanwhile, he knows full well he stabbed him. That's not even in contention in the court case. But in the moment, he's trying to tell the man he stabbed that he didn't stab him. And the dying man is saying, I'm stabbed and I did not call you anything racial. Another video was played to the court in which Dig was father was there. I like he was traveling around, I guess, with his whole family saying he's pretending a minute ago he was talking to you guys. Now he's trying to get up and gonna leave. Throughout the video, Noah can be seen lying on the floor as Dig was. Family and neighbors tell him to sit up and listen to this. Two days after the murder reports the Southampton Times police covertly recorded a conversation that took place between Vikram Digua and his brother Gurpreet. And a conversation, a transcript of it was read to the jury. At one point, the defendant's brother tells him, quote, you should say it was self defense. I mean, this seems open and shut to me. And I'd be willing to go that far, Mark, if it weren't for the crazy attitudes about race in the uk Agreed, where they've truly gone nuts.
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Mark Eiglarsch
But it's how the prosecutors handle it. They need to say there's no evidence of him using any racial slurs, but let's just say he did. That's not what we're here for. He's not being prosecuted for that. The issue is whether it's self defense. And when you've got stab wounds to the back of his legs, they can't justifiably say that that occurred. There's just no way.
- [74:29]
Megyn Kelly
He's now claiming Vikram, the defendant, that Henry punched him and pulled his hair. And that's why he believed that he was, quote, going to stab me. I thought I had to do something because I was afraid he was going to stab me with my own carepan. He told the court he was walking to fetch some curried chips from a car when he met Noak coming the other way.
- [74:55]
Mark Eiglarsch
That may be true.
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Megyn Kelly
Like, he was drunk, barged into me, turned around and said to me, you could have moved up a little bit more. Said he then used a racially offensive term before adding, do you think you're a bad man? I'm from Essex. You don't know what people from Essex are on that. Noak started to videotape the defendant. I went to block the phone. I grabbed it as well. This is when he punched me. He pulled my turban. All of this would be on camera. It would be on the video recording. The jury would have seen or heard some of that. And John. And not only do we have the brother saying, say it was self defense, and the father being like, you're fine. Nothing happened to you, as his son has just stabbed somebody four times. But the mother is also on trial because she's accused of hiding the knife. She allegedly hid the murder weapon for her son, which I'm gonna guess never tried a criminal case, but I'm gonna guess probably had some blood on it. Yeah.
- [75:54]
Janice Bilboer
Yeah. This is a family that wants to lie together to avoid being found guilty in this case. You know, another. I want to go back to the point that Mark made earlier with the knife wounds on the back of the victim's legs. Here's why. Because first of all, if this defendant is so much of a little bitch that he thought pulling hair would be. Would justify lethal force, and he's got another problem. But this is different than somebody who shoots someone as they're running away. Now, you know, if you shoot someone as they're running away, the threat is probably over, and you, too, will be prosecuted for that. But if you stab somebody on their back side, you have to physically be pursuing that person. If they're running away, you don't just get to stand.
- [76:40]
Megyn Kelly
And there's video, Right? So this video of him running over, trying to get over this fence with this guy. Continuing pursuit.
- [76:48]
Janice Bilboer
This Defendant could not have been in fear at that point, and I'm going to guess at any point, but he could not have been in fear of bodily harm at that point. If somebody's running away and you have the knife and you have to go after the person who you say you were in fear of.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that do the right.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Those stabs to the legs, further evidences anger, not fear. The guy was angry.
- [77:15]
Megyn Kelly
You didn't get in the civil suit that's inevitably coming. I'm sure. I don't know UK civil law when it comes to wrongful death suits, but assuming theirs is like ours, and you can bring one, the cops are going to have to answer for whether they did know this guy, Victor Vikram Digua, whether he was known to law enforcement and whether there'd been other incidents like the one I just showed you that we got our hands on. Showing him angry on the street with multiple knives, including a sword in his hand. A sword. A long sword in his hand, unsheathed. And why, if that's so, when they approached this scene, they didn't give the victim the benefit of the doubt. Why did they jump to accept this guy's word and not that of the man who was lying on the ground bleeding? And the re. The answer, of course, is skin color. It's very obvious. The UK has got a pattern now of this. The way this case turns out matters. And we're all going to be keeping a very close eye on it. Okay, let's move on. Something a little lighter. Not for the poor woman being accused of this stuff, but for us. This poor woman at JP Morgan Chase, Lorna Hajdini, has had her reputation ruined by what I think is some sort of wacko psycho. That's my opinion. We've been covering the story, so the audience has a working familiarity with it, I think. But just for those who don't know, these two worked at JP Morgan Chase together. They're high up bankers getting well paid, I think. And this guy is. He is Indian as well, of Asian descent, and she's white. And he alleges that she engaged in sexual abuse and racial bigotry and that she was his supervisor. She denies every single part of that. Racial abuse, sexual abuse, and that she was his supervisor. It's a true he said, she said. His tale is so bizarre and detailed and crazy that if it's true, she's a psychopath who should never be employed by anybody again. Her response is every word of it is a complete lie, a malicious lie. We never had any thing Approaching a sexual encounter. I've never even been to half of the places he mentions in his complaint. I wasn't his supervisor. And there's something seriously wrong with this man. And now she has fought back. One of the questions we were wondering is, like, if somebody, Just think about it. If somebody who was in your company or your law firm made the craziest asked allegations about you, like that you committed rape on them and like, were this lunatic at every turn trying to sexually harass them and coerce them into sexual acts against their will, you would, you'd sue them for defamation. You'd be like, this is so effed up. The problem is, generally you can't sue for defamation when the allegations are simply made in an HR complaint or in a legal complaint that gets filed with a court. And that appears to be the case here. But she's. She's filed a defamation lawsuit now anyway. And she said some of these things. This is, these are all lies, all of them. And they're malicious lies. They were told with malice, which you tell me, Mark, but my understanding is that's how you get around the general rule that you can't sue somebody for their legal pleading, because if you can allege they did it with actual malice, then you can.
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Mark Eiglarsch
That's the lane, and hopefully that's a lane that she can pursue. I am not as confident as you. I don't know. It sounds to me like it's been made up. The story is absolutely bizarre, but I don't know. So I go to what can be proven in her answer, and I read through that very carefully. She's saying things like, I was never even in his apartment when he claims certain things occurred. Okay, we got cameras everywhere now. Does it corroborate what he's saying? Does it support what she's saying? If it's just he said, she said, then there's something wrong. It's more likely that it didn't occur if there's not a single witness, a text, an email, a person, a busload of nuns, somebody who can support what the guy's claiming.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, I mean, it would be wrong to say there's no one, because now he's submitted two third party witness affidavits to the court. One third party who says it was my apartment where some of these events occurred and I saw some stuff. And one who says I was present on the night in September of 2024 when a sexual assault allegedly took place. They say, oh, I don't have the details in front of me, but basically he's got two witnesses now. One says witness one, whose apartment it was, that Hajdini invited herself in there and that the plaintiff rejected Hadjini's sexual advances, saying, I'm not interested. And both of these.
- [82:22]
Mark Eiglarsch
What do you make of that?
- [82:22]
Megyn Kelly
Witnesses claim that they were eyewitnesses to this.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Are we dismissing those?
- [82:25]
Megyn Kelly
I don't know, because I don't know who they were. Yeah, I am. I am, because I don't know who they are. I don't know what kind of credibility they have. And this guy seems like a psychopath to me. I'm happy to come out and say I'm wrong if it turns out I'm wrong. You know what? Like you, I don't know. What do I know?
- [82:40]
Mark Eiglarsch
I want to know what, Jana, what do you think? Think I'm eager to hear what you have to say.
- [82:44]
Megyn Kelly
What do you think I smell?
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Janice Bilboer
I smell her eye. So, a couple of things. We don't know the relationship of these two friends who gave affidavits. We don't know the relationship to the original plaintiff. You know, the. The woman is now countersuing. So is it plausible that these people are like, hey, if you win, you cut me in. Here's what I'm going to say. No one's ever going to be able to prove otherwise. That bothers me, number one. Number two, the thing that bothers me is here's a person who invited the. These two parties up into their apartment, where the alleged plaintiff, male, and then the woman were in this other person's bedroom and then fooling around, apparently. And then the woman came out and said, why don't you join us? It doesn't make sense. Like if you. If it's your apartment, you're inviting two friends in, I guess. And to what, you know, Excuse me. I'm going to go make some popcorn.
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Megyn Kelly
You go.
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Janice Bilboer
You guys just use my bedroom. Do whatever you want. I'll be out here. It doesn't. That part doesn't add up. She is categorically never been in that apartment. None of this ever happened. She. I read through her.
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Megyn Kelly
Her.
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Janice Bilboer
Her complaint where she says she's never touched the guy. Like, I thought this was going to be. All right, is this another issue of consent? We were in a relationship, but it was all consensual. She's saying, nope, never. Never touched him. Never had a relationship with this guy.
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Mark Eiglarsch
What do we know about her lawyer?
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Megyn Kelly
Forget J.P. morgan. J.P. morgan says they conducted an internal investigation because this guy did bring a complaint to hr. So, I mean, I'm sure JP Morgan took this as seriously as a heart attack. Like, this is one of their top executives. They seem to really like her. And so they wouldn't have messed around with this. They would have made sure she hadn't done this or if she had, that they found out. They say she cooperated fully with the investigation and he didn't. They say she turned over her cell phone, said, I'm an open book. Like, go look through my emails, look through anything you want. And he didn't. So why didn't his alleged witnesses come forward to the hearing? Why didn't he say speak to these two people? Maybe he did and JP Morgan's lying, but I feel like they might have mentioned that. Where, why didn't, if he had all these like harassing text messages from her, where are they? Why wouldn't he submit those to JP Morgan and to hr?
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Mark Eiglarsch
So that's, that's what I want to know about. Like his lawyer. Who is his lawyer? Do we know anything about him? Is this guy an ambulance chaser who just wants his 15 minutes or is he from a reputable firm who we would think would have vetted this case particularly because it's probably at a contingency. So he thinks that he going to get a percentage of whatever is recovered here. So he has to believe in the case unless it's again, he's being paid by the hour. But typically contingency, I don't know.
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Megyn Kelly
What I do know is that a year earlier he was on it wasn't legal zoom. But that's a similar website to the one he used where you go on there and you can get a legal document and you can actually get a referral for legal advice. He went on, again, it's not legal zoom. It's some equivalent website. And he started typing in, I've been the victim of harassment. He said it there by a he, not a she. And at a different bank. He named a different bank and it was Morgan Stanley, which is not the same as JP Morgan Chase. He said, I met Morgan Stanley, which I understand he actually did work at. I'll correct myself if wrong, but I believe he actually did work there. So he's saying it was a guy. I was harassed at Morgan Stanley. How do I like file a lawsuit and then they give you a referral. And I think he, he found a lawyer off of that website. Now that could be one of two things because she's claiming he made these exact allegations before in her defamation case. She's saying he's a serial liar. Like, or, or at least a serial complaint.
- [86:44]
Mark Eiglarsch
Lucky fella in the world. Everywhere he goes, the women, everybody, women and men both just throw themselves at him.
- [86:50]
Janice Bilboer
Can't resist, do. Or.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, if you've seen a picture of this guy, challenge, I don't believe it. But, yeah. So she's, she's claiming that he, he's made these allegations against somebody else at a different bank before. That could be true based on that online complaint, or it could have been him testing his allegations, like putting his allegations against her in disguise onto this, Onto this website. Because I. I have to go back and see. It was like, I think he filled it out while he was already in the employee of JP Morgan Chase, but was just fresh off of an employee at the other place. Oh, okay, wait. Now this just in.
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Janice Bilboer
We're.
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Megyn Kelly
This is like this. This day, we're getting breaking news on all of our stories in the middle of our stories. Okay, Now, Lorna Hunchdini reporting from the Daily Mail, has revealed the sickening messages she received after this guy accused her of making him a sex slave. Her attorneys have entered three emails that she recently received into the docket as exhibits to further illustrate the havoc that this guy ran as claims are having on her life. In one sickening message received on April 30, a sender whose name is redacted, wished vicious harm on her and urged her to commit suicide. I hope you get gang raped to the point you want to kill yourself after you realize what a worthless whore you are, you effing piece of s. Kill yourself. I sincerely hope your family all die slow, painful deaths from aggressive cancers.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Wow.
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Megyn Kelly
It's lovely. I mean, honestly, that's a day in the life here on the MK show, but I understand for civilians that that would be awful. Two other emailers propositioned her for sex. One from May 1st. Your new toy. It reads, my name is redacted. And if you are in need of a slave, I've been searching for a master. That Arab guy is an effing P word. Lol. If all I had to do was F you and do it real good, I'd be the president of Chase. Lol. Every man in America wants to F you now. Hope I get a turn. Another writes new slave. Omg, you bad girl. Fly me out. Damn, you got hips. I want it behind you, over the desk. And. Okay, you get the. You get the gist. So this is what this woman's been dealing with. And why is that in there, Jona? To show us what that's evidence. I mean, it's not evidence time in her case. But why is her lawyer submitting that,
- [89:06]
Janice Bilboer
that she's been damaged, that this caused damage to her reputation? It ruined her personal life, it ruined her professional life. How much longer is she going to have to endure texts and emails like that from random strangers? Because this case has really gone viral. And if this guy is in fact lying, that's criminal. That's just not something subject, in my opinion. Not just something subject to, you know, him having to write her a check or somebody having to write her a check for these kind of damages. If you ever restore.
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Megyn Kelly
What is it? Harassment is a criminal harassment.
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Janice Bilboer
I'd say at the very least it's criminal harassment. And you know, well, because defamation cannot be criminal. But damn, you know, maybe it ought to be in a case like this because her reputation is completely ruined.
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Megyn Kelly
No, but let's talk about it. If this guy. And this is her theory, and to your point, Mark, it's a good caution. We don't know me backing her is just what my gut tells me, having read his allegations. But, but I've been wrong before, been wrong many times, so it could be wrong here. But if, if her theory of the case is right, he has made up the most absurd, vicious lies. I mean, I just, I just pulled a couple of the highlights from his complaint that she said, if you don't f me soon, I'm going to ruin you. Never forget, I effing own you. If you don't f my brains out tonight, I'm going to sabotage your promotion. That she called him her little Asian appetizer. My curry in a hurry, little brown boy. Fall in line, Brownie. I own you, Brownie. I own your life, you gook. Brown boy. Boy terrorist. Melly Indian curry man that the entire team would call him. You know, she allegedly said, I'm still your boss and what I say here goes. Trust me, I own you. If you don't f me soon, I'll ruin you. Never forget, I effing own you.
- [90:50]
Mark Eiglarsch
She doesn't. She's not. She wasn't.
- [90:52]
Megyn Kelly
Her hands.
- [90:53]
Mark Eiglarsch
She wasn't his boss anyway, before rubbing
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Megyn Kelly
his neck and head. I mean, this is vile stuff. You want this executive director life. You want to get paid like me? You're going to need to earn it. My little Arabic boy toy that she propositioned for oral sex in the office. Birthday BJ for the brown boy. My little brown boy. Don't forget, I own you. Don't fight it. You smell so good. She allegedly said two days later, I really want to suck your long black. You know what? Right now, this could be you one day referencing senior leaders. As long as you start pleasing me. It's so vile. It's so X rated. And then actually includes an allegation that she gave him Rohypnol and Viagra so that she could knock him out but get his unit to work. We actually promised the audience an answer to whether or not that's medically possible. It turns out it might be. I don't believe she did it, but it turns out it might be. We reached out to Dr. Zayd Fadoul, a Harvard trained physician, US Air Force flight surgeon, chief medical officer at Wound Care 360, and said all of this would be extremely dangerous and create cardiovascular and neurological risks. But said erectile function drugs can still work despite severe sedation or incapacitation. And this is a crucial medical and forensic point. He says erections come from two pathways. Psychogenic, driven by conscious arousal in the brain and reflexogenic, a spinal reflex at the S2, S4 level that works with conscious input. Rohypnol knocks out the conscious psychogenic pathway. But the spinal reflex arc is reflectively protected from that top down shutdown. So reflex erections could still happen in a sedated or unconscious person. Again, wow, an outrageous allegation if untrue. Even more outrageous if true, frankly. So why wouldn't there be a criminal charge against him, Mark, if all that stuff I just read to you is made up at a whole clot just to ruin a woman.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Yeah, in theory there should be. I don't know if there's anything on the books where, you know, there, there is some criminal offense being committed. If he reported this to law enforcement, then there would be, and it's not true, then there would be a crime. What I'm thinking of though is Jesse Smollett. Right? The details were so extraordinary and so outrageous initially, most jumped on the bandwagon and said, well, it has to be true. I mean, and it totally wasn't. And the problem that I have with it is not just what it did in that moment, but what it does for future victims. They have their word questioned more so because of people like this, assuming this guy is lying. So I agree with Jona. Anything you can do to harm this man in a lawful way is coming his way and is justified based upon the horrific actions that he's taking. Assuming he's lying.
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Megyn Kelly
You know, John Adam Carolla was on the air with me when this first broke and he made a great point, which is if she did this stuff. There's gonna be more. That is not the behavior of a one timer, you know, who just unleashed that torrent of alleged harassment and abuse, including an alleged rape, just on one guy. Just, you know, he was the first one. No way. There, there should be a line of guys who claim me too, if this is real. But listen to this. More breaking news. Rana, the plaintiff, now the defendant in the defamation case, the man claiming he was harassed, just gave an interview to some paper called the Juggernaut, which is a New York based news website that focuses on South Asian news and says, and I quote, the biggest thing here is if you call this fake, it's just gender inequality. Says, if the roles were reversed, what do you think would happen? So he's claiming the reason we don't believe him is he's a man. And I'm. I will cop to that in part. Chirayu Rana. Is his name Chirayu? I will cop to that in part because I believe it is obvious bullshit that as he writes in this complaint, she went down on him and gave him a blowjob against his will. And instead of like getting out of there, whatever, he just stood there crying. That's his allegation. Time after time he was drugged or he was made to cryingly submit his penis for a blowjob by her threats that he wouldn't make it at JPMorgan Chase unless he did this. He's right. I don't believe that. And there is a gender dynamic at play.
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Janice Bilboer
And that's what. But, but that's where the gender dynamic comes in. And I don't mean to sound crass, but it's plumbing, okay? She's not going to be able to force herself on him if, listen, if that were happening and he wasn't into it, that would be quite, quite obvious. And what was she doing throwing Viagra and Rohypnol down his throat and rubbing his, you know, Adam's apple like you're giving a pills to a dog. Like, how was he consuming those? Like, I don't understand. Why is she going.
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Megyn Kelly
Good question.
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Janice Bilboer
Why is she going to some stranger's apartment? Why is she throwing herself on the man who clearly doesn't want to just sit there and cries through fellatio? Apparently. Why? And, and to Adam's point, since we don't have men coming out of the woodwork saying, yeah, this crazy bitch did it to me too. Don't you think if she were so abnormal, friends, people in her world would be like, oh, it was just a Matter of time. We knew this was going to happen. But, like, she seems like a perfectly respectable person. She's had no issues at this job for. She's been there for 11 years. Like, you know, this kind of thing would leave clues that just don't seem to be there.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes, I agree with everything you said. And I think, look, I don't think this case gets dismissed on the paper, so.
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Janice Bilboer
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
Like on the, on the pleadings. Unfortunately for her. Because she'd love to see it dismissed. Like, for a judge to read his complaint and say, absolutely not, but it's exactly the wrong kind of case for that. He's. He. If taken the way you judge, a motion to dismiss is the judge takes the allegations as true and says, if I accept all of them as true. Has this person's pled. Pleaded a case? Pled and pleaded are both correct. I just like, pleaded better. The answer would clearly be yes, if everything he wrote is true. Question of JP Morgan should have to pay. And a lot. Right, And a lot. And so this will get past the motion to dismiss phase. It will go into discovery, meaning both, Both of them are going to have to give depositions. His two witnesses will have to go on the record and have their credibility tested. All of his phone records will be turned over. He cannot keep those secret. We're going to see them all metadata, all the location services showing where he was, where she was on the various days in question. That's all discoverable. Even, like, car data. Most people in New York don't drive, but it's possible they have car data that will be discoverable and will show locations. Like, we're going to learn. There are ways of, kind of learning the truth in modern day America. And I think we are going to learn it. So, you know, put a, put a pin in that case for now. Um, let's keep going. Can you guys stay over a little bit today or do you have to scram?
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Mark Eiglarsch
I'll hang with you, Meg.
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Janice Bilboer
I have to scram.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay. I'll try not to abuse your. Your time, but we. We haven't gotten to a couple of cases and we should. There's Alec Murdoch. So Alec Murdoch gets a new trial. He's convicted of double murder for killing his wife and his son Paul, 19 years old. And another. Sorry, there's. There's. Yeah. Paul was 19 and Buster's older and called a family annihilator. He did it to generate sympathy for himself as his financial world was falling apart. He had embezzled from his law firm. He didn't have the money in like the firm accounts that he was supposed to because he'd been spending it allegedly on a drug habit. The noose was tightening around him on these financial crimes. And in order to make himself look sympathetic. This is the prosecution's theory. We don't know for sure why he did it. He killed his wife and his son. It's very vile, awful story. But he was convicted and then it just got overturned because it turned out the clerk of court, this lunatic Becky Hill, decided to make it chit chat time with the jurors practically every time they walked by her as the trial was wrapping up. She's so sweet. Look how like matronly she looks with her little like doily sweater. Whatever she looks, she's a liar. She's like a pathological liar in my view. She manipulated the jury. The theory was she did it because she was hawking a book. She had a ghostwriter who was writing it with her and she thought she'd make more money. There was actual testimony to this. If the jury found him guilty. She's a psycho. If anyone. Like that's. That was the testimony. So, okay, he got a new trial, which I agreed with is you had a juror testify. She did say manipulative things to me about his guilt and that was one of the reasons I found him guilty. Ball game. That's it. Ball game. I don't have to convince my two defense attorney friends here of that, but now he, Alec Murdoch, has filed a civil claim against her saying you deprived me of my constitutional, constitutional right to a fair trial by an impartial jury. And he wants her to pay up. Saying if he gets paid, the money's not going to go into his pocket, it's going to go into a defense fund that's paying out to his victims crimes. But he does want Becky Hill, or I guess maybe her state insurer, I don't know, to have to pay. How do you like this lawsuit, Mark?
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Mark Eiglarsch
Okay, first of all, this was my rant on the last Positively Legal. It's available on the MK True Crime Network. You want to check it out? I can't stand this Becky Hill, okay? She knew what she was doing. She went in there and numerous times. It wasn't just one comment. Numerous times said things to jurors that tainted this, this fundamental due process that we're supposed to have and turned it into crap. So anything you can do to her to harm her further than the three years she got. And by the way, three years probation. Wrong P word. Okay. I really do believe that she should have gone to jail for her misconduct, for her perjury. All the things that she did wrong, the lawsuit against her. I don't know about that. I think he should tattoo her name on his shoulder prominently because she gave him a get out of jail free card. Not really. Because he's stuck in there. Yes, for the federal thing.
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Megyn Kelly
But now she had a.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Now we have to say allegedly wondering
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Megyn Kelly
like allegedly, were they, were they possibly in collusion? You know, was it possible? Like this is a deal. Johnny, your thoughts?
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Janice Bilboer
That would be very, very interesting theory. I don't think so. I think Becky Hill was really in it for herself. Some of the stuff that came out that she's having private meetings and, you know, private bathrooms with the four person on the jury. She was literally telling them how to vote. Don't listen to. That's insane. And this person has a very big role in a court because she's basically the right hand of the judge. You know, you think that she's, you know, mirroring whatever the judge is probably thinking. It was horrible what she did. He deserves a new trial. Will there be a different outcome in the future? That's yet to be seen. But he absolutely deserved a new trial. Because of her. Solely because of her.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay.
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Mark Eiglarsch
All right.
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Megyn Kelly
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Mark Eiglarsch
No. And let me just say this. This is coming from someone who has been on the receiving end of all the things they complain about. I could think of one high profile case in particular. My client was getting killed in the media. And I'm referring to Scott Peterson, not the one who killed his wife, but is the other one that was accused of not running in to kill the killer at the Parkland Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting and everything. Everything that they were printing seemed to be against us. A lot of it was false and there's no way to stop it. I mean, if media wants to run with a story, they can run with a story. This judge could take some type of action. I don't think the judge is going to just because the defense is asking for it. And by the way, every time the defense files a motion, as much as we want justice, don't roll your eyes, people. That's what you want. You don't want this case being tried twice. So the defense needs to do all those things on the checklist to make sure to the appellate court they've rendered effective assistance of counsel so that not, not if, but when this creep is convicted, this won't come back on appeal.
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Megyn Kelly
The thing is, it's always the case that the evidentiary standard used at a preliminary hearing is very different from the one used at the trial. Like, of course more evidence is going to be presented because the standards are different and easier at the preliminary hearing. And the media always hears that. And the way it's is always handled is the media is trusted to write in their pieces. This is just a preliminary hearing. This is just a preliminary showing of what they might try to introduce. It's not the final final. And the media, I mean, and the public probably disregards that. We don't know. But this, this is handleable. Yeah, I mean, it's handled in every case.
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Mark Eiglarsch
I'm not saying that the defense's argument is meritless. In fact, like most legal theories, the court's balance. So on one side, the information that is getting out there could potentially make it more difficult to find fair and impartial jurors. On the other side is our right to have access to the truth, our right to see what's going on in our court system. And when you balance that, knowing the history of high profile cases, how. Look at O.J. you know, look at, look, we can go on and on. There are still people who can say, in spite of what we've seen on tv, we can give the defendant a fair trial. And that's the only standard. So, yes, I think that it favors showing people what really is going on.
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Megyn Kelly
Casey Anthony.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Oh, sure.
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Megyn Kelly
Case. Was there ever a case talked more about than Casey Anthony? There might have been some equal. But I wouldn't, I don't think more maybe OJ which was just the biggest of all time, but his is another good case. It was discussed nonstop in the media. Both of those two people were acquitted.
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Mark Eiglarsch
That's correct.
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Megyn Kelly
So it is very possible to get acquitted. Notwithstanding ubiquitous media coverage. I don't think the Defense is onto something here. I don't think the judge is going to allow this, but, you know, it's a very high profile, very sensitive case. So I don't know. Here's the second thing. They argued that the prosecutors worsened the problem of misinformation and in the media by giving an interview to Fox News in response to a defense submission that the prosecution felt was misleading. And so this is reference to the bullet casing and the autopsy which went everywhere. Long story short, the defense filed a motion seeking like the underlying or additional ATF reporting on the bullet fragments and the autopsy that was done on our friend. And in the defense motion they had language that led a fair, you know, person to conclude the bullet fragment that was found in the body did not match the gun that Tyler Robinson had that day. That it was a non match. The way they worded it. And this went everywhere. I remember where I was when I read it, like, holy shit. What? It was the headline on the Daily Mail. And before it could get like revised at all, it had already gone everywhere. And it really very much seemed like it was confirmation that that guy's gun, that.30 06 gun from his grandpa was definitively not the murder weapon. So the prosecution says, that is why we went out and spoke with very limited media. And here is the one example that is being objected to by the defendants. They gave a taped interview to a reporter who put it in her package for Fox News. And here it is.
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Mark Eiglarsch
The examiners were not able to find enough detail on the fragments to be able to make a determination as to whether or not they can tie the bullet to the rifle.
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Megyn Kelly
So that's just a small snippet out of context. Doesn't make sense. But it was the prosecution trying to say the fact that they couldn't have an affirmative match with what was left of the bullet does not mean this bullet didn't come from Tyler Robinson.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Like saying that there's no fingerprint evidence available doesn't mean he didn't touch a weapon, let's just say so. They're just saying we can't, we don't have anything of value to present to the jury to establish the bullet coming from that gun. But we're not saying it's inconsistent with that gun.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, the defense is purporting to be hopping mad that the prosecution went out and spoke to the press saying, if you didn't like what we wrote in our motion, you should have filed your own motion. You should have objected to the court. You could have called an emergency a Request for emergency hearing. You could have handled it inside this courtroom, but instead you ran to the media. And not only was that inappropriate, but it violated rules of professional conduct and the gag order in this case. So we pulled the rules of professional conduct, Mark, and this is what they say. The gag order itself says as follows. Reads as follows. Lawyers in this case shall strictly abide by Rule 3.6 of the Utah Professional Rules of Conduct. What is Rule 3.6 A? It reads as follows. Rule 3.6 prohibits a lawyer from making, quote, an extrajudicial statement meaning out, meaning out of court that the lawyer knows or reasonably should know, will be disseminated by means of public communication. Will be, you know, public.
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Mark Eiglarsch
So far, that's what this is.
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Megyn Kelly
And will have.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Check, check, check. So far.
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Megyn Kelly
And will have. Yeah, I agree. So far they've got them. And will have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing an adjudicative proceeding in the matter. So did this have a substantial likelihood of materially prejudicing this trial in any way?
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Mark Eiglarsch
I don't believe materially. I don't believe so. But I would certainly make the argument if I'm the defense lawyer. Point is, stay off the media. Why are you trying your case in the media at all if the defense didn't raise this in the media? If. And I don't know all the facts, but let's just say what you said is true. The defense filed pleadings documents with the court. They didn't go on Fox News. They didn't go out there and do a media tour on their points. They filed something in writing. The prosecution then should just file something in writing and we keep it in court. Them running to Fox News, I think it's a fair argument that they're going outside the rules of 3.6.
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Megyn Kelly
It's not a bad argument, actually, now that I think about it, because, yeah, that would be typically when there's a gag order saying, don't. Don't talk about this case outside of this courthouse. Yeah. And then you see an outrageous motion, and you as a prosecutor are pissed. You're like, everyone now believes that the gun definitively does not match the bullet that was recovered. And I've got to stop this. I've got to correct the record on this. Yeah. I mean, typically what you would do is you would file your own motion expressing your outrage. Right. Like, you can be as pissed off as you want in your pleading. And then the Daily Mail would have gotten that, too.
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Mark Eiglarsch
There we go.
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Megyn Kelly
They would have had a day two Headline.
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Janice Bilboer
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
But instead he spoke to the media. So you're right. He. He actually could have his hand slapped. I don't think it's going to do much. Do you like, what would be the consequence?
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Mark Eiglarsch
No, no. And they have their own PR people. You know, the question is, well, are they going to pick it up the same way they picked up the defenses thing? And, and you never know. So just make sure you got good PR people and you have great relations with the media. Say, can you make sure that this runs? You know, you do that behind the scenes and then it runs. And they're picking up from the pleadings, not because you're going out there and spewing your truth.
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Megyn Kelly
The prosecution's arguing they had a right to speak to reporters to correct misinformation about an inconclusive preliminary finding by ballistic experts, saying, here we were representing the true nature of that report. We did not make a statement of opinion about guilt. Hmm. We'll see. Okay. Meanwhile, they did reveal this, mark, that at the preliminary hearing, the prosecution is going to present not the actual transferry lover of Tyler Robinson, whose testimony is going to be very important in this case. He's the one who allegedly received the, the confession from Tyler Robinson, who was on the receiving end of those texts and an alleged note confessing game. This guy's going to be critical.
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Mark Eiglarsch
I mean, if they believe this person, we're done. That's it. That's it.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Yep. He's. He, he's critical. So. But at the preliminary hearing, they, they revealed now that they're only going to be presenting a video statement by this guy. That clip will be the, the first public statement from Lance Twigs, 22, since the murder. Now they say he's fled Utah, he's lying low in Texas. What do you make of that? Is that normal or abnormal to take a key witness and just show a video of him?
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Mark Eiglarsch
Completely normal. Because you're talking about a judge, and the standard is much lower if you're talking about a jury. You get that person in the jury box, you pay for them to fly in. You put them up at a hotel, which is all lawful and totally normal and typical, and you put them there so they can look directly at the jurors when you ask the questions so they can be believed and credible. This is just a hearing in front of a judge. It's typical. A lot of these hearings, they don't even do a video. They'll just say, here, Judge, here's a sworn statement the detective took and a judge who's Smart can just read it and accept it as fact. You don't need to bring that person in.
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Megyn Kelly
Makes sense. All so illuminating. Thank you. As always, my friend, you are Positively Legal.
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Mark Eiglarsch
I'm trying, Megan. It's tough.
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Megyn Kelly
It's tough.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Nobody's paying me to come in second place. Megan. It's rough to defend. I mean, people, come on.
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Megyn Kelly
You know, in the law and the news, it is. It is tough to remain positive. But I, I feel like we've both, we've both done a good job of it generally. Generally speaking.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Thank you, Megan.
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Mark Eiglarsch
Appreciate you.
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Megyn Kelly
Lots of love. All right. Check out Positively Legal wherever you get your podcast. It's free. And I want to tell you two things. This just breaking here as we get ready to close out the show. Sad news. Tulsi Gabbard is okay, but she is stepping down. Tulsi Gabbard producing the following statement. I am deeply grateful for the trust President Trump placed in me and for the opportunity to lead the office of the Director of National Intelligence for the last year and a half. Unfortunately, I must submit my resignation effective June 30th. My husband, Abraham, has recently been diagnosed with an extremely rare flight form of bone cancer. He faces major challenges in the coming weeks and months. At this time, I must step away from public service to be by his side and fully support him through this battle. Oh, it's just devastating news on so many fronts. I am so sorry to hear this about Abraham. They have a wonderful relationship, and it doesn't surprise me at all that with that kind of diagnosis, she would step away to go be with him. God bless her and him as they take on this battle. That's daunting and dwarfs everything. On a separate note, I'm so sorry for us because we need her in that job. We really need her in that job. You know, it's just, I'm so sad about it because it feels like this great sort of bipartisan coalition that President Trump put together is falling off as he rounds into the year and a half mark of his presidency. You know, Marty Makary was pushed out at fda. RFKJ has had his wings clipped repeatedly by people who do not support the Maha agenda. And Tulsi Gabbard was, you know, a great example of a Democrat, former Democrat who went onto the Trump team because we wanted to do things differently. So was Joe Kent. He wasn't a Democrat, but I'm just saying he was more non interventionalist and an important role. And he stepped down from the National Counterterrorism center after the Iran war. And Tulsi, who's also non interventionalist and is a. Is in a really important role and has been very brave in it. I must say, it just sucks to lose her. There's not another Tulsi. That's the problem. You can get another person to run. Of course. Of course there's lots of people want to serve in President Trump's administration, but there's only one Tulsi Gabbard. This is an important role. This is the person who oversees all of the intelligence agencies and like, it's her job to come up with that presidential daily brief and make sure President Trump really knows what's what when it comes to the intel that these agencies are putting together. My God. It's a huge job, especially with some of these agencies that we do not trust, how they try to manipulate a president into pushing their own agenda. And those agencies had to go through Tulsi Gabbard, who's not easily manipulated and is smart and had a background in intelligence and in public service, having served in the House for many years, and it's gonna be tough. Prayers for her, prayers for Abraham. Thanks from a grateful nation, and prayers for President Trump that he chooses somebody great. And I don't know if I can say just as great as Tulsi, but just as interesting, unconventional, unique and strong as Tulsi Gabbard has been. Lots of love to all of you. I want to tell you before we go that our Memorial Day show is on Monday. We feature war hero Alan C. Mack. I can't wait for you to hear this interview or watch it on YouTube. We sat down together right here in the red studio, and he was incredibly composed. He was stunningly impressive. And then we got to the story about him planning. He's a helicopter pilot, like the if one of, if not the most storied helicopter pilot in the war in Afghanistan. And we got to the story of how when Marcus Luttrell was missing after his unit was killed, his three brothers in arms were killed and he was missing and the entire military was trying to find him, not knowing whether he was dead or alive. His story featured in the movie Lone Survivor. They figured out that they thought he was alive and being sheltered by a Taliban, not by a Taliban Afghani fighter who was working with the US Only problem was this is in the middle of a village that was covered by Taliban and someone had to plan the mission. The highly daring, dangerous mission of getting into this town, getting into this house and seeing if Marcus Luttrell, a Navy seal was being sheltered in there, was being hidden in there by an Afghani. And that man was Alan C. Mack, who said, I know exactly how we need to do it with the decoys and the explosions over here to divert and how the helicopter pilots would have to get in and get out and what we should do. And when I played for him the sound bite of Marcus and his identical twin brother Morgan on the MK Show a couple years ago where we talked at length about the lone survivor story. And these are two very close brothers. Both became Navy seals. One missing and as it would turn out, yes, being harbored by an Afghani fighter and one with his family in Texas, not knowing whether his identical twin brother was dead or alive, but praying nonstop with his mom and his dad and all of their family got the call. And that moment where we play Morgan Luttrell telling the story of what happened when the call came in, the call that was made possible by the planning that Alan C. Mack had done a world away is a moment you are not gonna wanna miss. You see Alan's reaction? I'm still thinking about it. I've teared up many times over the past couple of days since it's happened. He is a special guy. And, you know, these war stories, they're important that we listen to them. Just a reminder of what our guys have sacrificed, who they are, how much it took. And, you know, you can do it on Veterans Day, you can do it on Memorial Day, you can do it any old day. But it's especially important as we remember the fallen on Memorial Day to take a moment and talk to the ones who survived about the ones who didn't and the sacrifice that was made by those who did live and those who paid the ultimate sacrifice along with their families. Lots of love to all of you. Hope you get some good time with your families. And we will be back. We'll have that episode air on Monday as a new episode and then we will be back live on Tuesday. See you then. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly show. No bs, no agenda and no fear. Breathe in. Feel the sense of calm that comes from having up to $300 in overdraft protection with Goto bank now. Did you say $300? Yes. Now back to our breathing. So if I overspend my balance, Goto bank has my back up to $300. Yes. Can we breathe out now? 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