The Megyn Kelly Show | Ep 1144
Left Covers Up Charlotte Stabbing, and "Non-Binary" Meltdown, with Andrew Klavan, Plus Kevin Hines' Inspiring Survival Story
Date: September 9, 2025

Episode Overview

In this episode, Megyn Kelly dissects recent news and controversies with Daily Wire host Andrew Klavan. The main focus is the mainstream media's alleged downplaying of the Charlotte stabbing of a Ukrainian woman by a Black man, with alleged racial motivations, and broader issues of crime, media bias, and racial narratives in America. The episode also covers a viral Piers Morgan interview exposing the vagueness of "non-binary" identity, critiques on immigration policy and woke corporate culture, and culminates with an inspiring segment featuring suicide survivor and advocate Kevin Hines.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Charlotte Stabbing & Media Coverage

[04:17–14:55]

• Incident Summary: A young Ukrainian woman, Irina, was stabbed to death by a Black man on a Charlotte train. Audio surfaced of the suspect saying, "I got that white girl," fueling arguments about racially motivated violence.
• Media Reaction: Megyn criticizes outlets like CNN, the New York Times, and Politico for initially ignoring or downplaying the story, suggesting political bias when the crime doesn't fit a favored narrative.
  • Quote—Megyn Kelly [08:10]: "Wow, he said white a lot. They've been looking for opportunities to make this some sort of like reciprocal George Floyd situation."
• Panel Dissection: CNN’s Abby Phillip and Van Jones are accused of deflecting and minimizing the racial aspect, with Van Jones expressing skepticism about racial motivation despite suspect's statements.
  • Quote—Van Jones (via Megyn) [09:16]: "Hurt people. Hurt people."
  • Quote—Megyn Kelly [09:20]: "Van needs to do his homework. He did not do his homework before he went on that show because I do not believe he wants to appear willfully ignorant."
• Narrative Critique:
  • Andrew Klavan argues the mainstream media routinely makes “the exception the rule and the rule the exception,” selectively inflating rare events like George Floyd’s death to push a narrative of systemic oppression, while ignoring more statistically prevalent Black-on-White violent crime.
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [14:55]: “This is a story of human evil and it’s a story of the fact that there is a culture, a Black culture that has been created by the left... of fatherless children... cashless bail...”

2. Media, Race, Crime, and Public Narrative

[14:55–32:30]

• Culture vs. Race: Both Megyn and Andrew emphasize culture, not race, as the root of higher crime rates, arguing left-wing policies have fostered destructive family dynamics.
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [17:31]: “Everybody who commits a crime has to go to jail... putting criminals in prison cut crime.”
• Manipulation by Elites: The media is described as part of a ruling elite, “dictating opinions” and hiding uncomfortable facts to protect its ideology.
• The Backlash: Independent media and social platforms (“X”, formerly Twitter) are credited with forcing coverage and creating “a death fight” to reclaim truthful narrative about race and crime.
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [28:27]: “If 500,000 conservatives get together and one is wearing a swastika, that’s the guy they photograph.”
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [32:30]: “This is the power with which [elites] have run the country for 50 years. This is the time when we are going to find out if we can take the narrative back because we’re right.”

3. Immigration, Crime, and Policy Hypocrisy

[32:30–50:34]

• ICE and Deportation: Megyn and Andrew scrutinize media sympathy toward undocumented immigrants with criminal records, particularly CNN’s portrayal of serial DUI offenders as “pillars of the community.”
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [38:13]: “I want them all gone. I want every illegal out of the country... if they are willing to assimilate and love this country, they’re my brother.”
• Supreme Court Rulings:
  • Megyn discusses a SCOTUS decision allowing immigration officials to consider factors like language or type of employment in locating undocumented immigrants.
• Failures in Local Crime Policies:
  • They highlight Gavin Newsom and other politicians’ silence or deflection in response to rampant smash-and-grab crimes, and how “racial profiling” is maligned when it is effective police work.
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [44:17]: “Racial profiling should be called police work.”

4. Political and Institutional Accountability

[53:13–62:47]

• Charlotte's Leadership Critiqued: Megyn calls out North Carolina’s Democratic governor and past attorney general for championing bail and policing reforms that enabled the Charlotte stabbing suspect’s repeated releases.
  • Quote—Megyn Kelly [58:19]: “We can have all the cops in the world... but if the system, including the judges... just send them right back out, no bail, no consequences... we’re not gonna solve crime.”
• Responsibility Chain:
  • Both emphasize politicians, not police, bear responsibility for unsafe cities; blaming police is a deflection for failed policy.
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [61:14]: "The buck stops with the people who make the policies."

5. Gender & Identity: Piers Morgan’s “Non-Binary” Moment

[64:28–68:51]

• The Viral Clip: Megyn applauds Piers Morgan for pressing self-identified non-binary journalist Lori Penny to define "non-binary," revealing an inability to state a coherent definition.
  • Quote—Piers Morgan [65:04]: “What does that mean? Just only one of you?”
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [66:41]: “It is an induced mental illness... it is a violent movement because it’s a non-real movement.”
• Activism and Social Contagion:
  • They argue that confusion and identity crises are being promoted by left-wing activists, harming vulnerable youth.
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [66:41]: “We gotta clean these people out of our schools... you don’t have the right to go around telling people that they should be crazy.”

6. Woke Corporate Culture and Pushback

[76:14–84:54]

• Cracker Barrel's Logo Controversy: Discussion of the failed attempt by Cracker Barrel’s progressive-leaning leadership to sanitize and redesign its classic branding, leading to widespread backlash and a restored original logo/ambience.
  • Quote—Andrew Klavan [80:55]: “If we made any of these changes to left-wing culture, the New York Times would simply burst into flames.”
  • Quote—Megyn Kelly [84:18]: “Enjoy your Cracker Barrel because it’s going to stay the same... no one wanted the remodel.”

7. Inspiring Survival Story: Kevin Hines

[90:13–107:20]

• Personal History: At 19, Kevin Hines jumped from the Golden Gate Bridge, instantly regretted it, and miraculously survived—a sea lion kept him afloat until rescue.
  • Quote—Kevin Hines [94:35]: “That is a miracle beyond belief. God was looking out for me that day.”
• Advocacy & Impact: Kevin became a global mental health advocate, leading a campaign to install suicide-prevention nets on the Golden Gate Bridge (resulting in >70% reduction in suicides), publishing books, and inspiring millions.
  • Quote—Kevin Hines [97:35]: “Since the inception of the net, suicides at the Golden Gate Bridge have reduced by 73% in one year.”
• Advice on Suicide Prevention: Urges open conversations with children and loved ones about suicide, advocating direct, compassionate questioning to prevent tragedy.
  • Quote—Kevin Hines [98:20]: “Parents, listen carefully... you must have the conversation.”
• Megyn’s Story: A touching behind-the-scenes moment—after Megyn’s public firing from NBC, Kevin reached out to offer support, impacting her deeply.
  • Quote—Megyn Kelly [102:23]: “One of the kindest acts anyone has ever done for me.”

Notable Quotes & Moments With Timestamps

• “[Van Jones] needs to do his homework. He did not do his homework before he went on that show...” —Megyn Kelly [09:20]
• “This corrupt media has done everything it can to make the exception the rule and the rule the exception...” —Andrew Klavan [10:34]
• “We're not talking about race. We're talking about the fact that they are excluding this from the news because of race.” —Andrew Klavan [14:55]
• “If 500,000 conservatives get together and one... is wearing a swastika... that's the guy in the picture.” —Andrew Klavan [28:27]
• “If you tell people they can't see what they see, you are encouraging racism, not snuffing it out.” —Andrew Klavan [28:27]
• “I want them all gone. I want every illegal out of the country.” —Andrew Klavan [38:13]
• “Racial profiling should be called police work.” —Andrew Klavan [44:17]
• “We can have all the cops in the world... but if the system... just sends them right back out, no bail, no consequences... we're not gonna solve crime.” —Megyn Kelly [58:19]
• “It is an induced mental illness... you don't have the right to go around telling people that they should be crazy.” —Andrew Klavan [66:41]
• “Enjoy your Cracker Barrel because it’s going to stay the same as we suspected... no one wanted the remodel.” —Megyn Kelly [84:18]
• “That is a miracle beyond belief. God was looking out for me that day.” —Kevin Hines [94:35]
• “Parents, listen carefully... you must have the conversation.” —Kevin Hines [98:20]
• “One of the kindest acts anyone has ever done for me.” —Megyn Kelly on Kevin Hines' support [102:23]

Important Timestamps

• Charlotte Stabbing Media Critique: 04:17–14:55
• Media Narrative & Race: 14:55–32:30
• Immigration & Crime Discussion: 32:30–50:34
• Political Accountability Segment: 53:13–62:47
• Non-Binary Identity—Piers Morgan Segment: 64:28–68:51
• Woke Branding—Cracker Barrel Story: 76:14–84:54
• Kevin Hines Interview: 90:13–107:20

Tone & Language

• Direct, pointed, and provocative: Both hosts are unfiltered, often mixing sarcasm with polemic, especially when discussing media hypocrisy and cultural trends.
• Empathetic and inspirational during Kevin Hines’ segment, highlighting hope and resilience.

Conclusion

This episode showcases The Megyn Kelly Show’s characteristic blend of media critique, political controversy, and cultural commentary, with a strong emphasis on the power of honest conversation and the dangers of narrative control by elites. The episode’s emotional crowning point is Kevin Hines’s testimony of survival and the transformative power of compassion, illustrating the profound impact of small acts of kindness and direct engagement with uncomfortable issues.