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Media Gaslights on Alleged Shooter's Motivations, and Charlie Kirk's Legacy, with Victor Davis Hanson | Ep. 1151
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Megyn Kelly is joined by Victor Davis Hanson, author of “The End of Everything,” to discuss the media and the left’s refusal to report on the alleged Charlie Kirk assassin’s "trans" connection, the truth about what we're learning about the killer's political motivation, the gaslighting about what is obvious, the media framing the Kirk assassination as part of the alleged killer's “love story,” the truth about the "trans" boyfriend, Kirk’s tremendous legacy and impact, a religious revival among young people after his passing, how Kirk's legacy will be about bringing young people to God and a life of faith, the powerful tributes to Kirk following his passing, the grace and respect he showed in his conversations with everyone, the full text messages between the alleged assassin and his boyfriend revealed in the charging documents, the confession revealed in those exchanges, questions surrounding the shooter’s parents, FBI Director Kash Patel’s fiery exchanges with Democrat politicians...
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Megyn Kelly
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Victor Davis Hanson
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Megyn Kelly
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Victor Davis Hanson
Weekend with the MAGA gang desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Trump, Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them and doing everything they can to score political points from it.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, so it's the right, the right wing who's in denial about this young man's affiliations. By the way, was not a kid. He was 22 years old. We went through that. Then it was made perfectly clear over the past two days that this kid, to use Jimmy's word, has been completely indoctrinated into left wing ideology. His parents said that. His parents said he had moved farther left politically. He had gotten very into message, the messaging of the left wing around gay rights and trans ideology. And then we see what was written on the bullet casings. And now the message is Shifting from the left to. Well, we, we still might not know his motivation, but really, who cares? Listen to CNN Analyst Juliet Kayam, side 11B.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I heard the congressman on there saying, oh, we need to tone down the rhetoric. Well, will the rhetoric get toned down? I mean, again, I go back to what was on the bullet from this kid was fascism. And that's, that's only coming from one side currently in this debate. And it's on every placard and every poster around the country.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, I don't think we know the meaning of, of his message and we know his history.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Bella Chow is an anti fascist thing. It says fascists catch.
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Megyn Kelly
Then I'll give you his history, right? Think about his history. His history. But this is not the debating. This is, this is what I wanted to tell you. That's my point, not yours. This was my point, not yours. The point is, who cares? A man was killed and you have yet to say political violence is, is bad, period. That's all that people want from the President. That's all. And we are getting the spin up of the. You and this and what? Stop counting, stop looking. Because you're not going to, you're not going to divine, are you, a perfect motive in this case? I think, I think we're looking for it. You're not going to divine it. We generally don't. Okay, that was Friday. But she continued to double down on those sentiments as the days passed by. And then I'll end on this one. For now, CNN's Kaitlan Collins with Ted Cruz. Last night, last night when we, we've, we heard everything. She's heard, everything that you and I have heard. And this is what she says to Ted Cruz. We don't have a motive yet. We don't know yet. We're waiting. Obviously we've heard what the governors had to say with the. Come on, we don't have a motive yet. We know we don't have a motive yet. What's happening with really that CNN's position. He just happened to fire the gun in celebration. You can't tell the motive. Senator. That's not what I said. And I said law enforcement hasn't laid out a direct motive. They've laid out a lot of evidence here of these messages and they said left wing activists who hated Charlie Kirk.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Pardon.
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Megyn Kelly
Senator, with all due respect, you know exactly what I'm saying. I'm not arguing with you politically. I'm saying that law enforcement has not put a specific motive, you know, that there's a difference of what they're putting in a legal.
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Victor Davis Hanson
They have.
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Megyn Kelly
That's what you're talking about. And you're not even. We're not even arguing about the fact.
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Victor Davis Hanson
You just said is false, Senator.
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Megyn Kelly
Caitlin. No. Caitlin Good for Ted Cruz. He was 100% correct and she was 100% wrong. And there's a reason they won't say what we are being told. I mean, that quote about him drifting over to the left considerably and endorsing gay rights and becoming indoctrinated by trans ideology, that's from his mother. Where do we get that? Law enforcement. But Kaitlan Collins will not acknowledge that, nor will any on the left who are out there pretending it's all just a mystery. Maybe we'll never know.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Victor Yeah, I think everybody knows what's going on. They project. And what they're deathly afraid of is that someone might use this tragedy or this not a tragedy, this act of evil in the way that they took George Floyd and they rioted for five months. And when they were done, they pushed through. No cash, bail, defund the police, BLM DEI mandates. And they feel that everybody operates in the same mindset that they do. So it's very important that they say there's no political motive here. It was probably a right wing family, don't dare do what we did. And of course, the people who have been commemorating his passing never had any desire to do that. They're not rioting, they're not arson, they're not torching courthouses or police precincts. They're not doing any of that. They're not getting free zones in the middle of cities. But they think they'll do that. And the irony about it is this was clear cut. That chat group of 20 or so people, they were from one ideology. The trans lover was one from everybody in his family said he had gone hard left. So that was. That was on. That was unmistakable. But in the case of George Floyd, there were two things. There was a big debate whether his amphetamines or his prior Covid or his fentanyl use or resisting police had made him more vulnerable to what Officer Chauvin did. And there was a big debate about whether unarmed black men are inordinately shot as suspects. And everybody from Harvard economist Roland Fryer to the Washington Post said, given the encounters with Black males between 19 and 40 with the police and what were the percentage of the encounters versus being shot while on dorm? It was no. It was statistically no different than anybody else. And that was the fact. And yet they took that and they fabricated a whole myth that the police are on a rampage killing black males. And therefore we gotta get this critical race theory, critical legal theory, all these Soros Da. And they did. They had a revolution for four years and now they're saying to themselves, oh my gosh, that was successful. And now the right could do what we did. So we've got to nip it in the bud and stop all narratives that this was politically motivated and say it's both sides, it's a cycle of violence and concentrate on, on ending assault weapons. You know, the irony is I have, I have kind of a 3006 that I inherited the same rifle. It's not a Mauser, it's a Springfield, but It's a bolt action. 30:06. And when you they, when these people talked about banning assault weapons, it's very, it's very slow firing, believe me, with a bolt action. And when Jasmine Crockett said, well, left wing people can't shoot anybody that has. I'm a very bad shot and I've been shooting that rifle since I was 12 years old. You can make that shot with an open peep site or a buckhorn sight without a scope. It's not a hard shot to do, especially when you're elevated. So all this disinformation that we're going to ban assault weapons are handguns. When the, the gun was a deer rifle. That's what it's used for. And it's a slow firing gun. And for someone who's had two or three hours of experience, it's not difficult to do what this horrible person did. So all this, what I'm getting at, Megan, this is all misinformation because they're projecting and they're terrified that the right would use their methodology. And the final irony is they're not. They never had any intention of rioting, protesting, driving through an agenda by using the death of Charlie Kirk in the way that.
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Megyn Kelly
By the way, let me just play that Jasmine Crockett sound bite which we have here it is. When we look at it, please tell me who is fostering this gun culture? Right? I mean, the reality is that the average person on the left probably couldn't make a shot from 200 yards because they haven't been playing with assault rifles since they were a little kid. Like that is just the reality of how people on the left typically work. And if we believe that political violence is a problem in this country, if we believe that our children on campuses, just because they want to go out and have a day of Free speech on campus may be subjected to this kind of violence, then maybe we need to start talking about legislation that will keep these types of weapons out of certain people's hands. Now whether or not this gentleman would have qualified under any type of laws that many of the Democrats have proposed, I don't know. Okay, so left wing can't shoot guns because they're not good shooter. I mean, I'm sorry, but didn't we have 20 children shot three weeks ago at the Minneapolis school while the children were at the opening mass? That was a left wing crazed lunatic. Seemed pretty decent with the gun. Unfortunately.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yep. The person who shot Steve Scalise was a former Bernie Sanders, Sanders activist.
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Megyn Kelly
The person who shot Trump.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yep, same thing. They were pretty good shots. They seemed well acquainted. Everything she said actually was a lie. It wasn't an assault weapon. She doesn't know what an assault weapon is. A bold action hunting deer rifle, as I said.
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Megyn Kelly
And that's, but that's important, Victor, because even on the left when they were talking about they want assault weapons bans that they think that's going to solve everything. This wouldn't have been banned. This gun would not have been banned under assault weapons ban.
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Victor Davis Hanson
There's 500,000 gun, 500 million guns in the United States and there's no way you're going to round them all up unless you want a police state. More importantly, when she said this gun culture on the right, there is a gun culture and it is an illegal gun culture and it's called inner city handguns. And that's where most people are killed. It's about 7% of people killed.
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Megyn Kelly
She should know that as a self proclaimed woman from the hood, you know, if you believe her, that's her background.
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Victor Davis Hanson
She doesn't know it. She knows it. She does know it and she's lying as she always does. And you know, I think after we've seen this horrific last two weeks of the murder on the light rail of Arena Zaratsutsk, where Zaretsk. Excuse me. Yeah, and you saw Charlie Cook and there was the Auburn murder and there was Queen. I think people are just, they're just tired of all of this demagoguery. And when Jasmine, I don't know why people, I mean Jasmine Crockett get, was a upper middle class kid who went to prep school and then she gets on television and adopts his fake inner city patois and she spouts all this hatred and all this misinformation and we're supposed to take her seriously. She's, she's not a serious person. But the left here's full. You, you saw that with Cash Patel. They're in a full fledged panic because they know that this violence is coming from left, that people who are trans, identify as trans, are overrepresented. Not in all of the. What they do is they go back to all the shootings the last hundred years when the trans phenomenon is about 10 years old. If you look at the most recent 1, 5, 6 incidents and you look at what scientists, psychologists, sociologists have said about the incidence of gender dysphoria in the general adult population, it's about one or two people per hundred thousand prior to this sensationalism and fetish. So they know all that. And so what they're doing is transparent.
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Megyn Kelly
Let me ask you this, because some have taken it to an even more bizarre place. You know, you've got the he's Maga crowd into the who cares, what does it matter Crowd. And then you have like a truly bizarre strain of it was loving. He did it out of love. This is not a hater. This is somebody who was. Well, I'll let Montel Williams put it in his own words here on CNN last night. There are people who are trying to.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Pigeonhole this as a leftist thing and a right thing. And what we're really talking about, hear me because I'm going to throw you when I say this. We're talking about a love torn child, a kid. This is probably his first real relationship and somebody was disparaging the person that he loved. He sat on that building for 30 minutes before he took the shot. Why did he wait until the first word trans came up, then he took the shot.
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Megyn Kelly
You think he heard it? He could hear it. I think he could hear it.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I think he also, I don't believe.
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Megyn Kelly
He was motivated politically.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I think this was motivated emotionally. I think this was a emotionally stunted person who literally want to say it this way, just hear me. Tried to defend his significant other. Not trying to defend some ideology.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, not for nothing, but the lower third on that whole sot, which was on cnn, which is Caitlin Collins, network said docs and they refer to the, they're referring to the indictment docs. Suspect's mom said he had grown pro gay rights trans, pro trans ideology. That's on CNN at an hour that follows Kaitlan Collins. But the hour before Kaitlan Collins was telling Ted Cruz, we don't know the motive. We just. Why don't you read your lower third? It's literally referring to the indictment documents that that federal Officials that state officials used to actually bring charges against him to try reading it could help you. And then you. Then they platform this Montel Williams who's lost his mind, trying to make it sound like, like a beautiful love story, like this guy should be valorized. And I'll let you take that one and then we'll get to this moron. Matt Gutman on abc.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, I don't think if anybody said that Derek Chauvin was under stress and he was trying to. He had some deranged view that he was protecting his wife from inner city crime and therefore he put his knee on, everybody would have thought that that's not only absurd, but amoral and sick. And it would have been. Nobody said that. And yet we're supposed to take this guy seriously. And then what he's thinking, it's just fantastic. He's saying that the shooter went, positioned himself somewhere between 150 and 200 yards away and, and said to himself, I'm going to shoot only when a trans question comes up and I can hear it very well. And even if he could hear it on the amplification, he's going to sit there and predicate that. And what would that show if he did do that? That he loved a particular person or that he was a deranged trans activist in general, as his chat group suggested? So any, any way you interpret what he said is insane. And I don't know why they put those people on. They're just continual embarrassments. They don't know. They have no logic, they're irrational.
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Megyn Kelly
It's so maddening because he's talking about it like as if, as if Charlie Kirk had gotten up there and said, you know, let's say this guy was in a normal or heterosexual relationship. As if Charlie Kirk had been out there saying, you know, blonde women are all loose women and you shouldn't marry them. You know, something like. And he was with a blonde woman and he was out there to avenge his. Okay, that would be a bizarre set of circumstances. But I guess then you could say, all right, he was trying to stand up for his partner. This, the whole thing about the partner is political. Charlie had taken a position on the trans. Whatever. It's not rights. On the trans indoctrination issue, Charlie been very clear that a man cannot become a woman. And this guy was with a trans person in the middle of a transition and obviously connected to other trans people, if you believe what we're seeing online. And on top of that, a thing for furries, as evidenced by his Meme which is very hand in glove with the whole trans community. He wrote about it on his bullet casing. And by the way, he was subscribed or he was on a furry website, according to the FBI. So that is a political argument that's being hotly debated right now and has been for the past few years in the United States. And Charlie Kirk was very outspoken on it. I How does he reduce that to a love quarrel, a defending his love as and totally divorce it from the politics?
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Victor Davis Hanson
Well, he does it. He does it because they have a list of excuses. And excuse number one was he was apolitical. That didn't work. Excuse number two, he was a right wing inter maga feud narrative. That didn't work. Now they're down to excuse three that it was a personal love relationship that showed his how trans people are so devoted to him. That didn't work. I think all they're going to be left with is that they're going to have to go and I think they already have. Megan Full Luigi Mangione, that he was a heroic person, that is an iconic figure and belongs in the pantheon of leftist heroes. And we're going to name an opera after him. And he's going. I think that's next. That's the fourth narrative because another thing that people don't talk about and it was true of Carlos Williams. There is a general perception in these killers, whether they do it out of racial motivations or ideology, there's two assumptions they make. Number one, if they do it, either people will try to contextualize it or praise it. As we saw with Robinson on the left and we saw with the mayor of Charlotte immediately she said, don't demonize the homeless. This is not race. Can't rest. And they know that, that there will always be some excuse or even praise. And second, there will not be consequences. But when he went into that rail car, he had 14 times he committed a felony and never really paid a serious price. And he thought he could do almost anything and get away with it. And the same thing. If you look at the cheery attitude, oh, I, I thought he had to be taken out. Lift up the computer, there's the note. He was acting in the same manner that he thought Luigi Mangione was going to get off. And until we just say to ourselves, we don't really care what your motivation is. We don't care what you say. We don't care if you have a beautiful mansion or you're homeless. We don't care if you claim that you're on that we're just going to treat what you did and there's going to be sure and swift punishment if you have after your fair trial and it should you be found guilty and that's going to be deterrent. And you may think that's biblical or ancient or old fashioned but there's a 2, 500 year history that it works well.
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Megyn Kelly
You're making a point about, about consequences to the actions. And when we, when we administer the consequences, no, we shouldn't care. We should look at the end result of what they did. Luigi killed Brian Thompson in cold blood with absolutely no justification. And that's what Tyler Robinson clearly did to Charlie. But, but it is valuable to know the motive. When we try to figure out a motive. Why does this happen and can we prevent it?
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yes, that was my point. They have two things going for them. They have a motive because they think if they act horrifically in the caught on some leftist cause that they are going to be famous. They come out of the woodwork because they seal. They feel the general climate says people are persecuting trans. Trans people should be given exemptions. Joe Biden says half the country's semi fascist fascist everywhere. All of our generals have called the president a fascist, a Nazi. Mark Milley called him a fascist. So you kill a fascist and you'll be sort of like one of the assassins who tried to kill Mussolini and Hitler. You will be praised. That's the motivation. They want to be a famous political activist who really, you know, spoke violence to power or something. And then second they think I can get away with it. Yeah, they think I can get away with it.
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Megyn Kelly
Can you imagine, God forbid anything ever happened to Barack Obama. But can you imagine if some shooter had actually taken a shot at Barack Obama and God forbid actually hit him and we found out it was because he was maga and he was deeply offended by the deplorables comment or you know, that Hillary had made or the bitter clingers comment that Barack Obama had made and so he had turned on Democrats. He thought they were demonizing Republicans and his wife. Maybe this guy, the shooter in this fake scenario is an independent but his girlfriend or his wife is die hard maga. Do you think Montel Williams would be on CNN saying he, you know, he did it out of love. It was a loving thing really. That's what did it. We all know the answer to that. And that brings me to Matt Gutman.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Can I just say one thing? He would be banned for life. But we already I, we all know the answer to your question. You don't even have to talk about a threat of physical violence. A clown at the Missouri State Fair put on a Barack Obama mask, and he was just sort of like clowns do at rodeos, but it was a mask of Obama, and the administration went ballistic, and they banned him from. For life for being at that fairgrounds and rodeo that was just wearing a mask that made fun of Obama. So, yeah, we know the answer to that.
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Megyn Kelly
They would not be rewriting it as a, as a Romeo and Juliet type story. Oh, it's so sad. Look at, look at the love he felt for his partner. He did it out of love. And not to be outdone, here's Matt Gutman, a. A straight news reporter, national correspondent for ABC News, describing the text messages between the alleged shooter, Tyler Robinson, and the defendant and his girlfriend, sorry, his boyfriend, who was trying to become his girlfriend, in which he kept calling the lover my love as he was confessing. I mean, he was going through line after line about how, I've got to. I've got to get my gun, you know, don't talk to the police, my love. And this was this ABC News reporter's take on that. We have seen an alleged murder with such specific text messages about the alleged murder weapon, where it was hidden, how it was placed, what was on it, but also it was very touching in a way that I think many of us didn't expect. A very intimate portrait into this relationship between the suspect's roommate and the suspect himself, with him repeatedly calling his roommate, who was transitioning, calling him my love, and I want to protect you, my love. So it was this duality of someone who, the attorney said, not only jeopardize the life of Charlie Kirk and the crowd, but was doing it in front of children, which is one of the aggravating circumstances of this case. And on the other hand, he was, you know, speaking so lovingly about his partner. So a very interesting and, as Pierre said, riveting press conference. David first of all, he did not say in these text messages, I just want to protect you, my love. That's an invention by this reporter. It didn't happen. Second of all, there's nothing very touching. It's not a very intimate portrait of the duality. And he refers to him, oh, the partner was identified male at birth, and now identifies. There's no such thing as identify. He's speaking all the language of the left with their buzz terms and rewriting this as a very touching love story.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Victor yeah, well, he said that we didn't expect it. Actually, we did expect it because we've seen a long history of the left doing this. We saw the Sarnoff, one of the Sarnoff brothers on the COVID of Rolling Stone as if he was some photogenic movie star we saw named after Luigi Mangione. We saw the Taylor Lorenz Gaga interview about him. I think there was somebody on cable news who said, well, Robinson might not be as iconicized as Luigi Mangione because he wasn't as handsome. So there is a idea in the.
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Megyn Kelly
Left, it's crystal ball.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yes, that they feel that these young killers, they try to romanticize them and try to make them into folk heroes. And part of that narrative is that they're good looking or they're intimate or they're warm or they're sincere. And what he should have said is he was talking to his murder. The murderer was talking to his boyfriend and was talking about rationalization why he killed somebody pre meditatively. But that's not what he wanted to convey. But yeah, we expect that every time there's a young shooter who's politically motivated from the left, we know that the left is going to romanticize him and try to make him into a Hollywood rock star or a sensitive therapeutic figure.
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Megyn Kelly
No, they're determined. And now, by the way, today, Matt Gutman did come out, was forced to come out and say he deeply regrets that his words did not make clear what he was trying to do. Which was to underscore the jarring contrast between this cold blooded assassination of Charlie and the personal disturbing texts read aloud by the Utah county attorney at the press conference. I'm going to say this to Matt Gutman. Ask yourself again whether, God forbid, someone like Barack Obama had been assassinated instead of Charlie Kirk. And we found the assassin's texts confessing to his lover, calling the lover my love. Do you think there's any world in which you would have gone out there and talked about how very touching the texts were about this duality that gives us a window into their intimate relationship and use the word touching twice. We all know the answer. This is his own bias, his own priors coming up in his reporting. And it's dangerous to reshape the narrative, you know that you talk about the Luigi thing. Victor, yesterday in New York, as his charges were, two of the main ones were thrown out. The terrorism charge against him was thrown out by a New York City judge. There were throngs of supporters outside the courthouse, male and female, but the women were out there like Manson's girls, like in love with this Luigi, like he's some sort of a hero. And. And the guys were no better. They were dressed as, like, Luigi from the Super Marios thing. He's become a folk hero. And you're right. I agree with you. It's starting on the left with respect to the Charlie Killer as well. This. This here. Listen to this. This is an undergrad student at Oberlin College. Now, obviously, this is the leftist institution, but just here's a window into what's happening on our college campuses right now, which looks very much to me like what happened outside of the Luigi hearing and what we saw on CNN. Here's sat 30. So the day after Charlie Kirk died, I was in class. My teacher said, I'll give you five minutes for hot takes about Charlie Kirk. I was the only person who raised their hand. I said, I've been saying we need to bring back political assassinations. I don't feel bad. And I don't think that everyone deserves the right to free speech. I think some people should be afraid to express their opinion in public. And you know what people start saying? They start saying, oh, you know what? There was a school shooting on that same day. And how can you claim to oppose school shootings and oppose gun violence when you're now celebrating Charlie Kirk dying as if those two forms of violence are the same? The worst thing that was said in that class was that it was a shame that Charlie Kirk died because he was such a huge figure in the right wing movement. And now who will the left debate? Now there's no one to have, like, productive. Productive conversations with.
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Victor Davis Hanson
They used.
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Megyn Kelly
He used that word. Of course, everyone's saying this. They were all male students. Like, there were probably five or six male students who raised their hands right after me and just responded. So, yeah, it just shows that white men will always choose to empathize with the people who look like them over any of the people who that man they're glorifying ever hurt. Oh, for the listening audience, that was an Asian woman with the oversized leftist glasses. And it's. I mean, she hit it all there. Victor. I don't feel bad. Some political assassinations are good. Not everyone has the right to free speech. And the white men in her class only stood up against her position that political assassinations need to be brought back. She said, because they identify with Charlie because he's a white man. Because only white people, white men, I guess, can feel bad about Charlie being murdered right in front of us.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah. And where did she learn all that? That's the question, where does all this come? You can say it's in the media, you can say it's. But originally it comes from where she learned it. It comes from the university.
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Megyn Kelly
The wind up to those comments, talked about that, about learning in a college textbook, about.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Absolutely. I can tell you I'm speaking from the Stanford campus and I know it very well. And so the trans ideology, the critical race theory, the critical legal theory, the separate dorms, the safe spaces, the separate graduations, the set asides on admissions, the violation of the Supreme Court's civil rights rulings, all of that, that whole package, radical environmentalism, ban fossil fuels, all of that comes on the campus. And anybody knows that, the administrators know it, it's part of the culture. And anybody knows if you're a conservative or traditional speaker, you need security, I can tell you that personally. And if you are a leftist, you have an exemption. Everybody knows that. Everybody knows the profile of the faculty. They know it's indoctrination. And that's part of the problem that we are raising an elite no notice who's not sounding off on videos. It's not the working welder, it's not the electrician, it's not the guy who 10 hours a day is an assembly plant with a high school education or went to trade school. It's a bicoastal and elite group of people sometimes. And they're wealthy, they're elite and they go to these schools and they're indoctrinated and they feel that there's no consequences for this crazy ideology because they live in the right zip code, they have enough money, they have status, they have letters after their names, they have credentials and they're arrogant. And that is the base now of the Mondani and the Democratic Party. It's a frustrated professional class of over educated, ignorant people. And they feel that I am so much more, more moral than anybody else. I'm so much smarter and yet for some reason I can't buy a brownstone in Manhattan. Oh my gosh, I'm so brilliant. I'm coming out of Oberlin and my parents are very wealthy. But I, I, my sociology degree or my studies degree doesn't give me, you know, a new brand new car. And they get frustrated and, and that's who they are. They're the most spoiled, entitled group of ignorant people. And that's the sins of commission, not the omission that they pay all this money and they're not educated. They get an English major, they don't know anything about Shakespeare because they get this stuff spoon fed down their throat as an excuse of having to work and real study and real work and real exams.
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Megyn Kelly
And in some families, it's indoctrination that begins right in the living room, which is just stunning and wrong. I mean, it's one thing when you blame the academy. We've been knowing about that problem and blaming them for many years. But there are some families who are totally on board with indoctrinating their children into thinking political assassinations would be great, just as long as they're targeted against the right people. This clip is making the rounds on X. They've now identified this person. I don't see a name, but they say that the husband, she's married to a lieutenant colonel for the National Guard. They say she's a preschool teacher. We have not independently confirmed that, but I can show you the video of this woman trying to deliver news to her children that Taylor Swift got engaged. But watch the lead up to that moment here in stop 29. I have the best news ever. Donald Trump died.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Second best news.
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Megyn Kelly
President died. Okay. Third best news. Elon Musk died.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Okay. No, no, no, no.
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Megyn Kelly
Nobody died. My best friend's getting married. Which one is it? Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey got engaged. That is so wrong. It's, it's abuse. And by the way, there is more information from the Daily Mail. Described as a progressive teacher, Krista Cole, a substitute teacher at Colorado Springs Public School. She's been placed on leave over the clip. Yeah, of course. Of course she has. She's since deleted her social media. She took that. First of all, she did that. She indoctrinated them. She took that video, she posted it. The reason I see it and you see it is because she posts. She's proud of what she's doing to her little girls there, Victor.
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Victor Davis Hanson
She is. And I don't want to be reductionist, but she got her teaching credential from the School of Education, she went to the university and she's part of the teachers union. If she's full time and maybe part time, and she understands that the School of Education does not teach you any real method, it doesn't teach you any knowledge. All it teaches you is what is left wing indoctrination and the methods to indoctrinate people on race, gender, etc. And then they have a coterie of unionized teachers that if you object to that, then you're going to be socially ostracized, etc. And that university trains all of our teachers From K through 12 and yes, you're right, they do indoctrinate their children, but that's just an extension of what they do in the classroom. And how do you break this cycle? I think you have to do two things. I think Trump is doing the right thing to call the higher education, especially the elite, to account. But all of us have to just say, you know what If Yale gives 80% A's or Stanford lets in 9% of their student body is white males. They're not really universities. It's no big thing to say you work at Stanford or you have a BA From Yale. It doesn't mean anything any, anymore. They destroyed their, their, you know, they're sort of like, I don't know, Target or Bud Light. That's the way I look at it. I think of everybody, you know, and I think people are, I think a lot of parents are, do not want to send their kids to these schools anymore because they know they're going to come home as monsters at Thanksgiving. And so I, I think there's, there's a big, a lot of things are going on, Megan, that we're not really sure of the ultimate effect because we're right in the middle of it. But there, there's something about the death of Charlie that followed from the death on the rail car that just, it just said to people collectively, quietly, I've had enough. There's something different about the country and I'm not going to let these people in the 248th year of this country take it over. I'm just not going to let it happen. I'm going to go out and vote. I'm going to register and I got to do something. I think there's, it's a quiet, it's not like what we saw in 2020, but it's more powerful in some ways.
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Megyn Kelly
You've got now 54,000 new turning point chapters having been applied for says Turning Point by high school students and college students. The youth has turned on the left. They saw Charlie as one of theirs, as someone who would take the time to care about them, to talk to them, even if they weren't on his side politically. And now they see what their side has done and how their side is celebrating his cold blooded murder. That's what's driving these 54,000 new applications from a group that only had 2,000 college and high school campuses covered before Charlie's death. I mean, I can't do the math on that, but it's a huge number by which it's gone up. If you want to do percentages. And there. It's not going to stop. I mean, the country's really deeply moved by Charlie's message, which is now ubiquitous. It's everywhere by and by the hatred that the left is showing toward him. And. And here, like on the subject of faith, Victor, like we. Charlie's proselytizing his messages of believing in Jesus and what Jesus would want for you and how he sees us all as God's children and believes everyone can change and in the goodness of everyone are everywhere. And these young people, many of whom are applying for these to open up TP USA chapters at their colleges or high schools, are seeing it here is like the opposite of the videos we've been showing. And I mean, I could have taken dozens. I have so many examples of these, but I just chose one. This is a tick tocker named Amelia Grace and listen to her in sock 27B. I don't know if anybody else is feeling it, but there has been this huge spiritual shift since the death of Charlie Kirk. Now, let me be very clear when I say I had no idea who this man was until the assassination. And for whatever reason, I have just been, like, absolutely mourning this death like, as if I knew him. I turned away from God and pretty much stopped believing in everything altogether when I was about 17 years old. I am 28 now, and I am happy to say that I have recently found my way back. Let me be very clear when I say that it was not Charlie Kirk's death itself that brought me back to God, but the pure, just evil that I have been seeing surrounding it. I keep seeing all of these quotes saying that if you feel this deeply about a man's death that you didn't know, it's because in your soul somewhere you knew that he was a brother in Christ. And I think that somewhere in my soul, because of this, I just felt this pull, this pull that I can't explain to just like, to come back to God. I am happy to say that I have gotten my first Bible. I am giving my life to Jesus. I am coming back to my roots. Charlie would be so proud of her. And there are so many just like her Victor out there reacting that way.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, I think so. I. I did a show in late August. I think it was the 23rd or 4th. And then I talked to him for 30 minutes. And I had gone out earlier to see Speak in Phoenix. What was unique about him, he wasn't just peddling a political agenda. He was trying to address, I think, root causes and what he talked about was the blue state model of Atheism, Infertility, 1.4. We talked about that. The fertility rate of the top 10 states, that's about 1.9 to 2 are red and the bottom 1.2 to 1.3 are blue. And he talked about the age when people are getting married. It's gone way up. The age when they have their first, if any child gone way up. The age when they can buy a house has gone way up. And it was part of a political, economic, social, cultural atmosphere in these blue cities and blue states. And it's nihilistic, it's suicidal, it's all about personal appetites, gratification, professionalism, pseudo education, credentialing. But it's not about we're going to have a nuclear family, two parent family, we're going to try to have children, we're going to try to reproduce the species, we're going to try to inculcate people in the idea of a transcendent soul and body and higher de none of that. And he was very adroit at getting that message in comprehensible terms to young people. He's basically saying to them, you're on a campus and all of the messaging and narratives that you're receiving are nihilistic, they're suicidal, they lead to civilizational decline and destruction. And he said it, and he didn't say it the way I did it, he said in a much more upbeat fashion. But that was what he was working on when he was killed. And I think it was. And that's one of the reasons, Megan, if you look at what he did, I don't think people have talked enough about it. There was a lot of reasons why Donald Trump won, but one of them, I don't know if it's the chief one, but one of the reasons was that he gained 6% in the national vote of young people from 1940-40. But more importantly, in three states, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and Michigan, where Charlie was really active voting, trying to get people to register and vote, he got 17 and 18 to 23% higher Trump did than in 2020. In Michigan, the youth vote was split 49, 49. And that was largely because he and people like him were giving this message to people. You don't have to vote and reflect and be politically aligned with these messages you're getting on this campus because they're going to lead to your personal unhappiness. You're not going to have children, you're not going to be happily married, you're not Going to have a house, you're not going to want to go to church, you're not going to believe in God, you're not going to believe in your community. You're just going to be a nihilist, cynic, skeptic and bitter person as you age. And all the degrees in the world are not going to help you out. All the titles, all the zip codes, all the money, it's not going to help you. That was a very powerful message and I think that's one of the reasons Donald Trump won the election with that demographic.
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Megyn Kelly
You know Andrew Colvitt, who's Charlie's right hand man on his show, he put out a tweet that read something to the effect of we thought they were college prove me wrong type debates, whatever. We thought that's what we were doing. We were actually doing tent revivals. I see it so clearly now. He said, and he's right. Like it's. It was having the effect, whether they knew it or not, of reviving the faith of an entire generation of young people who had lost it or had never had it to begin with. Victor, how many times have we talked about Wokeism as this leftist, pernicious, sick religion and that it could even be treated as, as a religion that we could object to them teaching our children in schools in the same way we would object if they just taught Islam theology in all of our K through 12 schools. It is a sick religion and it was, it was used first. They got rid of religion at all. They got rid of Christian beliefs out of the public square, out of our schools, prayers under God, all of it removed, removed, scrubbed. And then they replaced it with this sickness, the woke mind virus, political whatever you want to call it. But, but it was so unnourishing and sick and dangerous that young people genuinely started to reject it. I mean, I see that in Gen Z, in the tail end of Gen Z and even in my own house and with their friends. They rejected it. They knew it had gone too far, that it was dangerous. And Charlie came along just at the right time with an alternative. The original here's this other thing that we used to have and love and lean into that was actually nourishing and enriching. And it spoke to them, Victor, and it still does. Charlie's gone, but that message is still there and resonating.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah. And historically there's these, these periods of mass craziness that was a first century AD in Rome when you can read novels like Petronius of what? Trans cross dressing, gender reassignment. Decadence, atheism, foreign cults. You saw the same thing in the French Revolution with the Jacobins, Robespierre, Just a total madness where they killed 7,000 nuns. They renamed the days of the year the days of the week. They worshiped somebody called Ratio, the divine rational deity. Secularism. We saw it with the anarchist movement in the late 19th century. So we have these periods and these, this is what we're in. We're in a complete period of left wing derangement. And it's not. The problem, Megan, is that they're not just crazy, they're dangerous, very dangerous, violent people. And they're very unhappy people. And it's usually these, these movements usually start. They don't start with the lower classes or the poor, they start from the top down or the upper middle class. And they're always based on historically envy and jealousy. That I am entitled because I'm articulate and I can speak and I read and I know Voltaire and I. And I know Rousseau or I've read Cicero and I deserve more. And these people, these stupid people are making money and then. And they don't appreciate. And it's really a self referential, self obsessed, narcissistic cult. And it manifests itself in our lifetime at this particular moment. And these movements, these crazy antifa, Black Lives Matter, trans. But it's all got the same common denominator, right?
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Megyn Kelly
The. The ugliness of it is of the leftist messaging. I. I want to, in the last minute before we take a break, go out with the following thing. I saw it on X this morning and it is a song by singer Diesel for Charlie. It's called How Dare They. And I listened to it this morning and I just cried. Really moving. Take a listen here.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Name was Charlie. Husband, daddy, voice for the kids. Lord, why'd it go down like that? Stage lights cold as a winter rain.
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Megyn Kelly
One breath, one prayer Then the world.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Went strange Crowd froze up when the.
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Megyn Kelly
Thunder cracked Truth on a mic and.
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Victor Davis Hanson
A life attack he talked about hope.
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Megyn Kelly
In a storm and land Bible in the heart and a promise in his.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Hands But a shadow reached from a coward's perch Cut down a sun in the middle of church and I swear if the tables turned the other way Y' all know there'd be fires in the streets today but here we stand with candles and a folded flag Begging God for mercy on the road we.
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Megyn Kelly
Drag how dare they steal the breath from a faithful man?
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Victor Davis Hanson
How dare they stain the grass where his boots once stand?
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Megyn Kelly
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I need to see you face to face. I am doing this tour and I would love for you to join me. MeganKelly.com for the tickets. That song was so moving. I'm like completely floored by it that it reminded me. I wanted to tell you about something else I read, and it's by our pal, Joseph Massey, our favorite poet, the official poet of the Megyn Kelly show and hopefully of your home, too, because he's amazing and he's been through a lot and he writes the most beautiful poems and self publishes since he was canceled by the evil, truly evil poetry world, but continues to write and be there for us in times of celebration, like when Trump won, and in times of mourning, like right now. And let me just read you. It's. It's not long. Hopefully he won't mind. I'm reading his poem in memoriam for Charlie Kirk. Under a technicolor Utah sky, in the clear September air in the commons made uncommon, a man spoke through riptides of Babylonian confusion. And he spoke with the light of the word of life. And that light dispelled the darkness that cannot comprehend its truth. In the clear air, the bright and open air, a man spoke. And as the sky cracked to silence him, how many mouths gasped at once? A terrible hush like a rogue wave crashing. But he was not silenced. The assassin slithered into ruin, but he was not silenced. His words extend now into time in concentric circles, further than before and further still. Martyr for truth and in truth alive America. May the Holy Spirit inflame and guide our tongues. And let everything that breathes praise the Lord. Let everything that breathes praise the Lord. Let everything that breathes praise the Lord. That's so beautiful. By Joseph Massey. You should definitely go to his website. Just Google Joseph Massey and it'll take you there. You can buy his books, including America is the poem, to see more of his writings. Back with me now is Victor Davis Hansen. Victor's book. He's got a book and he's so worth reading. You'll learn everything you need to know in life if you just read vdh. It's the end of everything. It's out now in paperback this month, and it's been updated with new information, so check it out. And VDH will be joining yours truly on the Megyn Kelly Live Tour. He and I will be coming to Bakersfield, California, on November 20th together. And that happens to be the tour stop where Charlie was supposed to join as well. But the tour goes on. We must continue, and we really hope that we will see you there. Obviously, we will be thinking about Charlie that night. And I'm really honored, Victor, that you're going to come. You know, that notwithstanding what you said about security, and I understand it intimately that you're going to come and everybody should know. You can get tickets to see Victor and yours truly and the entire tour@megankelley.com but my true gratitude to you, Victor, for saying yes in the first place and saying yes notwithstanding what's happened.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Well, I'm looking forward to it. And I, I actually live about an hour and a half away or two hour and a half away. And Bakersfield's one of my favorite cities. It's actually in kind of a renaissance now. So it's a wonderful place. And I always like going there. I go there a lot.
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Megyn Kelly
So I'm going to be, you know, it's going to be an emotional one. I think of, like, all the tour stops that are we're looking at that one's going to be very emotional since Charlie was supposed to be there. And we're going to Glendale, Arizona, which is right by where he lived, which will also be an emotional one. But, you know, our general hope is to keep it fun and upbeat and, you know, exciting and a great time for the audience. But there's moments, you know, as my daughter used to call them, not tears of joy, but joy of tears. Sometimes you can have joy of tears. They can be cathartic. Ideally, you can laugh through them and you can find moments of levity notwithstanding the moments of sadness we're all feeling. I want to tell you that all week, Charlie's team has been having people who were close to Charlie guest host his show. On Monday, it was JD Vance. Yesterday it was the guys from the Daily Wire, Ben Shapiro, Matt Walsh and Michael Knowles. And today it's Glenn Beck. And Glenn, you know, in the James Rosen obit on Charlie, he, I think, mentioned this, but Glenn is the person like Charlie looked up to. He, he lived for Rush Limbaugh when he was in high school and he loved Glenn Beck and he tweeted at Glenn beck. I'm a 17 year old in like a liberal high school. I'm standing up with the Tea Party and for, you know, limited government spending. Can't remember exactly how he put it it, but said something like fight liberal bias. And he added Glenn back. Glenn Beck on his tweet. And they've known each other a long time. And Glenn showed up there today with the microphone of Rush Limbaugh, which Rush's widow Catherine gave to him after Rush passed. Watch this.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Brought something with me today that I thought was appropriate while I did the show that I would sit in front of Charlie's microphone. It was given to me after the death of Rush Limbaugh by his wife. It is Rush's golden microphone.
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Megyn Kelly
Sweet Glenn. Glenn, overcome by emotion there. It's. It's hard, Victor. You know, it's been a very tough week. I think a lot of us are feeling it. Just feeling. Even people who didn't know Charlie, I've heard from, I mean, thousands of people, and I've seen their testimonials on the Internet. People are feeling it so deeply because they feel like they knew Charlie. You know, all these video and there's endless tape of him have really made a difference. People are like seriously in mourning. Even people who were strangers to him, it's.
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Victor Davis Hanson
It's in Europe, I cannot believe it. It's worldwide. There's people who feel that he, even though he wasn't speaking to Ireland or Britain or Greece or France or Italy in particular, that the message resonated with them and they understood that, that they were in a dilemma and that sort of the problem that he outlined and the solutions that he offered applied to them. And they appreciated that, especially given that they were demonized by the same forces that he was. So he's becoming kind of a mythical person. Not that he wasn't a real person and with all that achievement, but I don't think the left had any idea what they did. They had no idea they had.
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Megyn Kelly
And they must be scared now. I mean, that, that would explain some of the disassembling. They had a memorial for him two nights ago at Arizona State University, and it was packed. They did the, you know, iPhone on. We used to do it with candles or you're like your lighter. They did the iPhone on lights. Look at this. I mean, just tens of thousands from the look of it showed up. And wall to wall, we saw the march. Look at this. Definitely tens of Thousands of people. The march in Great Britain, which was, you know, by Tommy Robinson, for Great Britain's independence from this incredible fascist overreach there. And by that, I mean the takeover of illegals, the crackdown on free speech, which is also for Charlie, had between 1 and 3 million people out there. It was crazy, the numbers. They were chanting Charlie's name. South Korea. Same. He was in Japan. Not this past Sunday, obviously. He passed a week ago today, but the Sunday before he died. And he. A friend of mine. Oh, gosh. I want to make sure I get it right. A friend of mine told me a story about Charlie texting him, because this friend had been to Japan a bunch of times and I think has a home there. And he told me the following. He called me on Sunday night from Japan before a speech. We talked about how some there don't like General MacArthur and what he did there. Charlie said he loved MacArthur and had named his son's middle name after him. He was so proud of his last speech in Japan because it really was a spiritual one for him. And he. What I see on the Internet right now is like, person after person getting it, seeing it. And I want to show you just one example here. This is a bunch of kids for the listening audience. We're going to play this in SOP42. It's per my GSD Nation on Instagram. The kids in this video I'm about to show are largely single digits, maybe up to 10. Let's watch.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I am Charlie Kirk.
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Megyn Kelly
I am Charlie Kirk.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I am Charlie Kirk.
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Megyn Kelly
I am Charlie Kirk.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I am Charlie Kirk.
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Megyn Kelly
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
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Megyn Kelly
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie Kirk.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I am Charlie Kirk.
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Megyn Kelly
I am Charlie Kirk. I am Charlie. Got it. And we are just getting started. You guys give me great hope.
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Victor Davis Hanson
God bless you.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, that's the left's worst nightmare, because we're finally, finally gonna fight for the children. Our side of rationality and reason. Victor is finally not going to cede the children anymore.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah. And I think, you know, traditionally an administration loses badly the midterms, but I think they're also scared. When you saw the spectacle they had put on with Cash Patel that, you know, I'd never seen anything like what Cory Booker or Adam. They were crazy. They were insane. Just the vitriol and anger, and I think a lot of it's panic. And if people really want to commemorate a voting age, Charlie Cook they'll go out and register and they will vote a year, a little over a year from now. And I. And I think they will readdress what should happen to every president. They lose the first midterms and their agenda gets derailed. But I don't think that's going to happen. I think for the first time as I watch this, I think there's going to be a continual outpouring of support for what he stood for, and people are going to make a difference politically. And I think that's one of the reasons that you saw that spectacle of the hearings and in general, the paranoia among the Democratic Senate.
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Megyn Kelly
I'm definitely going to get to that. We'll get to the cash thing next. A couple more minutes on on Charlie before we do. I've been wanting to show this sound bite for days now. It's on the topic of faith and Charlie's insistence, no matter who he was across from, that it could play a meaningful role in their life, in making it better. This is Charlie with a group of porn stars and only fans, models, speaking them directly. The same truth he said everywhere. This is the man that the left wants to tell us now was hateful. SOT41.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Thank you guys for a respectful conversation, even though we see things very differently. And if you're, if you're engaged in the creation of that content, I think God has a better plan for you. I know that might sound preachy and not what you want to hear, but maybe you'll have an encounter with God and Jesus loves all of you and he can transform your life. He transformed my life. And every day is a new day. And it's a hopeful, beautiful life ahead of you. And God loves every single one of us. We're all sinners, and Jesus died.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, you've definitely been the most respectable, respectful one that I've seen.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Well, thank you. That's very met, very kind. And I can tell you it's not me. If it was me, I'd be yelling and screaming. It's the Holy Spirit. It really is. I know it might sound silly, it might sound cliche, but Jesus has gone to work on my life. And so God bless you guys. Thank you for a great. Charlie, thank you for coming.
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Megyn Kelly
He had just spent two hours talking to them about what they do and why they do it. And that's how he treated them, with respect. You see that in every video, Victor, the people, even when people came up, up disrespectfully to him and the crowd would sometimes jeer them. Charlie Would quiet them down and say, stop, let them speak.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah. You know, another aspect that people don't talk about him. But the times that I've talked to him, he left college when he was 18 and then. But he was a voracious learner. Every time I had talked to him, he was asking what books to read and he was on. He said he was always on a Hillsdale online course, he was self taught. But the upside of all that was he was never. He knew what the university was about, but. And he, because he was on all these campuses, but he wasn't a product of it. And I'm saying, I know the university does a lot of great things, especially in the STEM and math things, but in the humanities and social sciences, it has a toxic effect. And I think one of the strengths of his, that he didn't spend a lot of his life as a student and he spent it instead with working class people and people who did not go to college. And then he used that earthiness and accessibility and skill in talking to normal people and went back to the campus and talked to these people with respect. But he didn't talk like an academic or a professor or a fellow student to them. And that was new to them and that they had never. They don't, they don't. They're in an insular world. But he wasn't part of that world. But he took the idea of working class and middle class America to that world because he had not been in college, but he had been self educated. So he was articulate, he was knowledgeable, but he was able to communicate to these students in a different way. He wasn't, you know, he didn't have that nasal, twangy voice. He did not talk about as if he was degreed or credentialed, but. And he knew how to talk to people and he considered them the students, people, not students. And that was one of the reasons he was very effective.
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Megyn Kelly
The, you know, the, the gaslighting about his killer motives and all that we talked about in our first hour. I. There were two sound bites I didn't get to that. I want to. There's a second one from Matt Gutman. I've got to play it. It's Sod six. It's heartbreaking on so many levels, Kyra. Obviously, Charlie Kirk was murdered brutally in front of a crowd of thousands of people who watched him being shot through the neck and then essentially bleed out in front of him. And on the other hand, there is this duality of a very, A portrait of a Very human person. A very human experience from this entire family. As you mentioned it, the mother essentially discovered that it was her son son who had done this. The kid who had got a 34 out of 36 on the acts, who had a 4.0, who got a full ride to college here. And I don't think I've ever experienced a press conference in which we've read text messages that are a so fulsome, so robust, so apparently allegedly self incriminating and yet on the other hand, so touching.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
With the suspect reaching out to his roommate who is his allegedly his boyfriend who we understand, you know, identified as male at birth, now as female. And the terminology he used. He was trying to protect him. He kept calling him my love. My. My reason for doing this is to protect you, you know, but also to delete the messages and not speak to law enforcement. So there's this, this heartbreaking duality that we're seeing very tragically playing out. Oh, okay. We already. I mean it's heartbreaking on so many levels. It's heartbreaking on one level. One level. Keep going.
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Victor Davis Hanson
They're going to have to kid him off. He's done so much damage to the abc. I mean he's a pop philosophers half educated. He's a fool. And that therapeutic gobbledygook, it just sounds so amoral and senseless, stupid. And I don't know why they'd have him on there because he thinks I know some kind of philosophical Persona and he's going to enlighten us. But he just, he just proves how stupid he is and heartless.
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Megyn Kelly
He was already suspended by ABC when Kobe died for erroneously reporting that all of Kobe's children had been killed in that helicopter crash. So he doesn't appear to be all that careful because here again he makes factual errors in addition to tonality and emotionality errors.
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Victor Davis Hanson
The only question I have about his inner circle is did they notify the police the nanosecond they found out? I know that as a parent you always worry about what your children are doing. But when you find out that your best friend or your lover, so called lover, or someone in your household is a likely killer, do you. How long do you wait? That's all I want to know. I want to know if some of the people on that chat list just had prior warning or he discussed things in a manner in which if somebody had come forward and said he's saying things or he's imagining things that are really dangerous and we need to. You need to take a look at him. If that would have made a difference, that's all my concern. But I don't find anything moving or loving about anything he said. Not one.
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Megyn Kelly
I don't either. You know, a lot of people have said today they. They may not believe that these text messages are from their shooter because they sound so like they have punctuation, they have capitalization. And I get it because trust me, I have two. Two teenagers and a 12 year old too. And I mean, I'll write my kids these long flowery texts like I love you, I'm so proud of you. We'll meet you at the event, we can't wait to see you. And then I'll get back. K. You know, that's. That's how young people text. And I get that. But it appears that this guy's other writings, because we do have some of his correspondence in like the Discord chats he was in this gamer website. They also seem to track consistently with the way he wrote in these texts. We went through all these on a lot of them on AM Update, but I'll just read the audience some because you've referenced them a few times and it's frustrating not to hear them. Robinson texts the LOVER I'm still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in Orem for a little while longer yet. Shouldn't be long until I can come home, but I gotta grab my rifle. Still, to be honest, I had hoped to keep this secret till I died of old age. I'm sorry to involve you. Roommate. You weren't the one who did it, right? Robinson I am. I'm sorry. Roommate I thought they caught the person. Robinson. No, they grabbed some crazy old dude that interrogated someone in similar clothing. I planned to grab my rifle from my drop point shortly after, but most of that side of town got locked down. It's quiet, almost enough to get out. But there's one vehicle lingering. Roommate why? Robinson why did I do it? Roommate yeah. Robinson. I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out. If I'm able to grab my rifle unseen, I will have left no evidence going to attempt to retrieve it again. Hopefully they've moved on. I haven't seen anything about them finding it. Roommate how long have you been planning this? Robinson. A bit over a week. I believe I can get close to it, but there is a squad car parked right by it. I think they already swept that spot, but I don't want to chance it. Robinson. I'm wishing I had circled back and grabbed it as soon as I got to my vehicle. I'm worried what my old man would do if I didn't bring it back. Bring back grandpa's rifle. I don't know if it had a serial number, but it wouldn't trace to me. I worry about prints. I had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits. Didn't have the ability or time to bring it with. I might have to abandon it and hope they don't find Prince. How the f will I explain losing it to my old man? Only thing I left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how I was engraving bullets? The effing messages are mostly a big meme. If I see notices bulge anywhere on Fox News, he says, I, I might have a stroke. All right, I'm gonna have to leave it. That really effing sucks. I mean, Victor, first of all, there's nothing, there's nothing heartbreaking about that. There's nothing about the human, the humanity. There's nothing touching about it whatsoever. This is a cold blooded killer who's in the full body of the text messages, says, guess that rifle really works. Haha. Granddad's rifle really, really got it done. So there's nothing touching. But I will say like, like the full, the full confession in there that hits like every detail. I see why. There are many people online who are like, this can't be real. I mean, have you, have you heard that? Have you read any of those pieces?
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Victor Davis Hanson
Well, I have, but I, I do think it's real. And they'll have forensics that can probably go onto his phone if he wrote it from a phone or computer. And they can, they can look at all of his messages and the grammar and the syntax and see it to what degree, if any. These are different. So they'll find out very quickly if they haven't already. But what bothered me about it was he just blew apart somebody's neck and he's worried about whether his dad's going to get mad at him about the rifle. Two, he obviously thinks, and he thinks he's going to get away with it and live to an old age about it. And three, I would like to know the time differential from the moment he said to the so called partner, I did it till when law enforcement was.
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Megyn Kelly
Notified and oh yeah, the roommate did not notify law enforcement. They went to him.
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Victor Davis Hanson
That's going to be the other way around because, because as I understand the law, you're not. If you have reason to believe that he's kidding or it just, you don't have to but that wasn't kidding. He was very explicit. And especially when he referenced. You saw me. I think I heard that right. Carving the bullets, or, you know, engraving the bullets. That means that this person knew that he was actually engraving messages on a bullet and that he had confessed. And this person did not come forward. Why? There was Herculean effort to find him. And so I think there's going to be a lot of people that were either privy to what he was doing before that or had a good inclination of what he was doing, or in the media aftermath of Charlie's death, knew about it before law enforcement was notified. And if that's true, I, I think there's going to be a lot of co conspirators.
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Megyn Kelly
Part of it reads to me like, I agree with you. The roommate knew. I think the roommate probably knew in advance. And I think some of that exchange may have been preset up between them. You know, like, I, I'm gonna. I'll give you the big reveal just in case I get caught. I'll at least get you off the hook by. I'll be telling you. You'll be in disbelief. Oh, I'm shocked. Shocked it was you. What do you. I mean, that's kind of how it read to me because, yeah, you're the roommate. You see him engraving bullets. That's where he's noticed anti, like, catch this fascist. And, you know, you don't say anything. It's. And by the way, we're still not to the bottom of all these trans activists or trans people online who were saying, wait until September 10th. Something big is coming, coming. Charlie Kirk should be evaporated. You just wait. We got him. You know, maybe it's just chatter, maybe not. But I do believe the FBI is gonna get to the bottom of that real quick. And if this guy, this roommate who now the left is like, oh, he's so cooperative. They're so thrilled that there's a trans person involved. They don't like that piece of it. But they're like, he's cooperative, like he's some sort of a hero. He didn't call the police when he had this exchange. It was the parents.
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Victor Davis Hanson
That's a great point. Cause as soon as I heard that, I thought, why are the police. He's not cooperative. He didn't. He may have when they confronted him and said, if you don't tell us, you're facing conspiracy to commit murder. And that's a lot, can be a life sentence. Now, are you going to talk? Maybe he did, but he didn't come forward voluntarily when they were in an active investigation and shortened the process to finding him and the other people who may have known didn't. And I don't think that the shooter meant to say you saw me or you knew that I was engraving the bullets because that gave it away that maybe if that conversation was concocted to give him an alibi, that's not going to work because that does show that this guy was in the room perhaps and saw him doing that or was told that he was engraving bullets and then maybe he knew the messaging and etc.
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Megyn Kelly
Nobody just, you know, I bulleted online yesterday and I do, I do have empathy for the parents. I do, I cannot imagine it's his fault. It's not his parents fault and they seem like they were good parents by what we've read so far. But I do have questions, I do have questions that I'd like to see answered about the parents because obviously this kid went, whatever kid, yeah, now I'm doing what they did. This young man at some point went south and something infected his, his brain. You know, he got sucked into this far left ideology. He was gaming too often, from the sound of it, got very into this online culture of the gaming world and, and went into some sort of a downward spiral. And what I did see online was the mother when he was about 10 showing this big gaming system she had purchased for him when he's wearing the headphones and her being like, I, we're never going to get him away from this now or something to that effect. And that's exactly of course part of the problem. You know, there are a lot of parents who do seed their child rearing to game consoles and it becomes a babysitter. I don't know whether that's what happened here, but it's something I'd like to have an answer to and to figure out exactly how he went from that guy that Matt Gutman was talking about. 4.0, you know, nearly a perfect score on the ACTs and an eight semester scholarship to the, the University of Utah. To left University of Utah after one semester, enrolled in a technical school, started dating a trans furry and decides it's his right to take another life because he feels that person's full of hate.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, it's easy to double guess. But if I was a parent and I saw this transition in my son and I am a parent of a son and I saw him talking and according to some reports he was talking very radically and he in political terms, very radically, I don't think that I would allow him to have his grandfather's 30 out 6. And I don't know where he got it or whether the parents knew it, but I would. The first thing I would do is say to him, you're not going to be anywhere near a gun, and I'm going to lock them up. Because the way you're talking and the change in your lifestyle and the anger that you express is not healthy. And. And so the idea that he borrowed his grandfather's gun and he was very worried that he was going to get in trouble if he didn't bring it back where I. I just don't get that. I don't see anybody who had such evidence that he was undergoing a radical transformation. And he hated Charlie Kirk. And apparently he expressed that at dinner.
- [83:21]
Megyn Kelly
Or there as a guest and mentioned this event.
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Victor Davis Hanson
He mentioned that event. Why in the world did he have access to the family armory? I don't understand that at all.
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Megyn Kelly
It may have been a gift to him. I'm. I'm not sure where I read that. But even so, he's only 22. If you gave it, you can go get it. You're the parents still. You never stop being the parent.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yes, you should. And how would they know if he said, I'm afraid they're going to find out that I lost it? Well, how would they know he lost it if he was his. And, you know, does he report back every week? I still have grandfather.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, here's what happened. But. But that is spelled out in some of the text messages or by the police at the presser yesterday. I'm trying to remember who said it. The da. The dad. This is very eerie. Very eerie when you think about it. The dad saw the pictures first. I think first. The mom saw the pictures on TV that the FBI released, and she knew it was him. She recognized her son, and she called the dad. And the dad recognized him, too. They both thought it was their son. And then they saw the picture the FBI released of the gun, which they found in that nearby wooded area. So they might have recognized that gun as the dad's father's, his own father's gun that they'd gifted to Tyler, this suspected shooter. And they were putting two and two together. And then the dad called Tyler to see if he would pick up to see where he was. And that's why Tyler's referencing my dad's calling right now in these longer form, in the longer version of the text messages, saying, he's calling RN right now. And he, I think, didn't talk to him. He did talk to the mom and he claimed he was homesick that day. This is on the 11th, the day after the event. And that he'd been home sick on the day before September 10th. But, but I do, I do wonder. The parents seem to know awfully quickly that it was their son. And it doesn't seem to have been like full of denial. Like there's no way, you know. So I bet there's more to the story. That's all I'm saying. I bet there's more. I bet you that one videotape of him. You guys, can we pull that over of him when he got his scholarship into Utah University. And the mother's like, he's. He's opening up the letter and, and the mother is like, yay. I think it's the mother. Forgive me. She's off Cam. But you can hear him join in with the cheer at the end. And he sounds off. Victor, he sounds off. And this is right at the precipice of becoming a man. He's I think 18 or so in this video. It's just as he's going off to college. And this is when in that 18 to 25 year old period that we see some sort of a psychotic break or some sort of break with a lot of young men. Did they know something more is. And I'm not trying to blame them. And this is not like it's the parents fault.
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Victor Davis Hanson
It's. It's.
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Megyn Kelly
We as a free society need to know what, if any warning signs were there so we can prevent something like this from happening again. We have it. Here's the video. Okay.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Congratulations. You have been selected to receive the Resident Presidential Scholarship from Utah State University.
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Megyn Kelly
The value of this scholarship is approximately $32,000. This scholarship is available for four years or eight semesters. It's just something off. I mean I can see it. I'm sure my audience knows it too. There's something off. Anyway, your thoughts on it?
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Victor Davis Hanson
I, I just, I'm just confused. I know that the law enforcement and the prosecutor were very careful not to prejudice their case and imply something they didn't have. Factual evidence. I respect that but. But I just. There's something about the narrative that the family was shocked. They had no idea. As soon as they got the message, they immediately called law enforcement. The lover, or whatever he was, was completely cooperative. He's. He's just helping us. There's just something about it doesn't ring. Ring accurate or it's strained. Whereas I think there were People who, in the case of the lover or the associates on the chat line had a good idea what was going on. And there were other people in that community that thought September 10th was going to be an iconic date. And I think these people did not come forward. And I think there might have been people in the family that hesitated too long, but that's just my own. And, but they, if they, and I think they're, I, they were naive about the mental stat status of their own son and his access to a very powerful gun. And the fact that he knew that he was responsible for that gun and worried about not getting it back or that they would find out that it was no longer in his possession shows that they were aware that he had it and it was important to him.
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Megyn Kelly
And as you can see, the hate building specific mentions of a, an upcoming event, him withdrawing more and more from you, him going over to left wing ideology, him embracing in the mother's own words, gay rights and trans ideology. Now dating a trans furry. I don't know whether they knew that or they didn't, but they should have. All these, these are potential. Yeah, they're not potential. They are warning signs that someone is having a mental health deterioration.
- [88:45]
Victor Davis Hanson
I agree, they are. And I don't know what to say. The whole thing.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Victor Davis Hanson
What's sad is that when you looked at the security, everybody said he didn't have good security, but it was more like he didn't have any security because you look at where he was talking and you just survey about four rooftops and you would just think, I want one person on one of them with, with binoculars and just, and a microphone so they can see if there's anybody up there.
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Megyn Kelly
I don't, and I still don't know. I, I still, I actually, I hope we find out exactly what the extent of the security was and how this failure happened. Same as we found out, you know, after Butler, how the Secret Service failed not, not to blame people, not to, not to, you know, this wasn't a presidential event. In fairness to the security guards, it wasn't. But there must be some reason why they, they chose to have the event in such an open air arena like where a shooter could easily get up and fire straight down at Charlie.
- [89:46]
Victor Davis Hanson
I think that I really, really hope.
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Megyn Kelly
That'S taken into mind in any future public events. Go ahead, Victor.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, I just think if you're Donald Trump. I get worried when I see Donald Trump walking into a restaurant, you know what I mean? And there's people that he's, are arguing with him. I just think that if you're a major Republican politician or you're a political activist, that there, because of the reaction to Charlie's death, that there are going to be a lot of people who still believe that if they were to do harm to you, kill you or wound you, that people would not mind at all, that they might get out of it. They might not be swift shift accountability, legal accountability, and they would be praised. And then that creates a climate in which I think we're in a new. We're in a new era. United States, we've had political assassinations, but unlike Europe or Mexico or Latin America, we don't go after media people. Some we have in the past, but not high profile media. And he was a media person, podcaster, writer. And so it's, it's kind of like a journalist now in Europe or Mexico that's taken out and that's a bad precedent. I think we crossed a river, the Rubicon. And it's going to be very, I think everybody's going to have to be very careful because I think there's a lot of people. I, I was on UU at night, the day, and I said, I think you're going to see a lot of sympathy with the killer. We didn't know who it was, but I had no idea of the kind of stuff that we've watched and that you played today.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, and let's face it, I mean, you're right, but you're. The people who need to worry are the people who are, you know, pundits or journalists or podcast hosts on the right. It's, it's those of us on the right who are getting shot down and killed. So you know that as much as Abby, Phillip or whoever wants to pretend there's this is a both sides situation, it isn't. Who like the only example they keep pointing to, there are two. They point to Paul Pelosi. The guy who broke into the Paul Pelosi house and attacked Paul Pelosi was not a Republican. He was a pride flag bearing BLM.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Boasting he had an antifa flag at his home, his communal home. There was an antifa.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes, Lunatic. Lunatic is how that sentence illegal alien from Canada. And then there was the Minneapolis House speaker, the Minnesota House speaker, which that guy was a lunatic. He was a nut. And to the extent he had a political affiliation, it was with Tim Walls. He said Tim Walsh told him to do it to like go kill demons. There was not no MAGA affiliation. And by the way, there was nobody Demonizing that House speaker on the right. There was no campaign to call her a fascist or a Nazi like there was toward Charlie. And then after she died, know how many Republicans celebrated her murder? 0. 0. Not like Charlie, where it's near ubiquitous on blue sky and even on X and Instagram. The number of videos that have gotten posted celebrating his murder is stomach turning. So that's it. I don't just don't. It. It's us, it's people on the right who literally now need to worry for their lives. It's inexcusable.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Well, it's a. What? It's a message. It's saying to people on the right, oh, it's both sides. Ha ha. But secretly we know it's only one side. And therefore you better be careful what you seek. That's the intrinsic message. Be careful where you go. You shouldn't be out, you shouldn't speak. And of course, everybody has to speak more and speak out more clearly so that they don't get away with it. But they feel that there's a deterrent now and it. To suppress free speech. And you can't let that happen. But they know. Exactly. And when you. And a larger point. We had the nominee for President of the United States, Kamala Harris, say that Donald Trump was a fascist. Joe Biden gave that Phantom of the Opera speech where he said that half the country were semi fascist. And then we had, I don't want to name their names, but we had, I think nine generals, retired generals, during the Trump first term, including the. And then during the campaign, I'm including the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, former, who called Donald Trump a fascist. Fascist and some worse liar equivalent to the jailer at Auschwitz. These were. These were not colonels, they were not private. These were all in violation of Article 88 of the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Nothing happened. If you've got the highest military officers retired, mostly saying that the President of the United States, their commander in chief, and they're subject to the uniform code, and they're calling him a fascist and there's no consequences, or he's the equivalent of the people at Auschwitz. What does that message mean to somebody in the woodwork? It comes out and says, well, Donald Trump is a fascist. Huh? Well, if somebody had killed Mussolini or Hitler, they would have been famous. And so that's the problem. And nobody. And then it is coming from the left. It's always coming from the left. And nobody.
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Megyn Kelly
And on that, on that front, Randy Weingarten, of course, head of the one of the largest teachers unions in America is just out with a new book, why Fascists Fear Teachers. It is published in Rolling Stone right now. An excerpt with the headline why Fascists Hate Critical Thinking. This is dated September 16, 2025. They're not backing down one minute and they the headline, the subhead is Randy Weingarten's new book, why Fascists Fear Teachers Reveals why Trump and the Right Demean Teachers, Slash School Funding and Rewrite History by Wendy Randy Weingarten. They're not standing down one bit on that messaging, even though it's appeared now on bullet casings in an assassination.
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Victor Davis Hanson
We had the campaign A New Republic put a picture of Donald Trump with a Hitler mustache at Photoshop that he was Hitler. This is after he'd been the first assassination attempt. No one said a word that he would that he was Hitler. We've had members of Congress call Donald Trump a fascist. So if you keep saying that again and again and again, then you have that Luigi Mangione effect that you can come out and you can kill an enemy of the people and you can expect to be treated as a rock star. And you don't think, given our criminal justice system and our revolving door and our critical legal theory and given what repeat felons have experienced, maybe decarlos Brown is a good example, that you're not going to really pay a price. If you're not going to pay a price and you're going to be canonized, then why not do it? That's their attitude. Since so many people of authority and prestige have already sanctioned the idea that the person you're targeting is an enemy of the people.
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Megyn Kelly
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Victor Davis Hanson
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Megyn Kelly
Months free offer details apply. Back with me now, Victor Davis Hansen. Okay, so, Victor, there has been now there have been two days of hearings involving Cash Patel, first in front of the Senate and now in front of the House. This exchange he just had with Eric Swalwell, Democrat from California, is burning up the Internet. Let's watch it. Anyone that has been terminated, the FBI has been done. Another question, failed to meet the mustard constitutional.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I will work on the audio visual capabilities. I'm going to borrow your terminology and.
- [101:51]
Megyn Kelly
Call bullshit on your entire career in Congress. Disgrace to the American people. You can reclaim your time all you want. Why don't you try serving your constituency by focusing on reducing violent crime in this country and the number of pedophiles that are legally harbored in your sanctuary cities in California? I'll work with you on that. So that was meaningful. Did you get anything out of that, Victor, that really resonated with you on its substance, did it not?
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, I think, I think what Cash Patel has to experience is that the Senate and the House people are going to shout and scream and yell. And what they want him to do is to lose his temper and, you know, reply. And part of it's good. He's got to show them that he has. He's defiant for this insanity. But I think he's going to have to. You can't get in a shouting match with those people because that's what they want. They want to shout, shout, shout. And then they're going to say, I'm the Inquirer and you're the public servant who's got to be sober, judicious and quiet. Why I malign you and defame you. And so it's Effective up to a point to say, you know what, I'm not going to take this. But at that point, after you made that point, I don't think, think. I think they want you to end up shouting back and forth. That's all I. And I know Cash. I've known him a long time. I like him, he's very bright. But I think he's got to realize that they're out to fire him. The, the left is. And they're trying to put pressure on every aspect of his career. They're trying to say he doesn't have the temperament. He's on social media too much. He shouldn't be in the media. He should say, and they are working on members of the Trump administration. And he's got to say, I'm going to go to Congress. I'm going to be defamed, I'm going to be maligned. I will be sharp and tell him not to do this. And then I'm going to, I'm going to keep my cool.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, he's. Well, he's fighting and talking over them, which is another way of kind of silencing the message. Yeah, I love the saying, don't. Don't fight with a pig. You get dirty and the pig likes it. That's exactly right. Like, it's the truer words. It works for me. Here's another exchange with Representative Prime Pramila Jayapal. She's a Democrat from Washington. You are not answering the question. The question is.
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Victor Davis Hanson
I have.
- [104:25]
Megyn Kelly
You just don't like the answer.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Women.
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Megyn Kelly
Are these women credible? It's a yes or no answer. I have answered the question. Well, what is this telling you? I'm the only FBI director that has welcomed new information in this case. This administration is the only one that has welcomed any new information in this case. Yes or no? Present new, credible information.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Present new information.
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Megyn Kelly
The victim's credible. Victims not. I'll tell you what happened in the last Trump administration, credible or not. You can't even credibly came forward and you know what happened. President Trump authorized the indictments. Jeffrey Epstein. Not Biden, not Obama. Are you going to cover up? Are you going to continue?
- [105:05]
Victor Davis Hanson
I'm going to recognize the gentleman for.
- [105:06]
Megyn Kelly
The rich men, including those that might.
- [105:10]
Victor Davis Hanson
Be on this committee. I can yell too, Mr. Chairman, but I don't want to yell above this.
- [105:16]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, you don't say which ones in particular. He should have said who. Walk me through exactly what they do.
- [105:21]
Victor Davis Hanson
Exactly. He should have, he should have, he should have go through all of them.
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Megyn Kelly
You know, but you know, Victor, this is such. This is such a. I don't know. It's all. It's all, like, performative because some of those alleged victims are credible and some are not. I mean, the one who died, Virginia Giuffre, definitely told lies. I mean, repeated lies in her case. Was it all a lie? No. But, I mean, what. What a inane, asinine question to ask him. Are they all credible? I don't know. How does he know sitting there?
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Victor Davis Hanson
The same thing of the people that are on his text messages or emails. Some of them went to the island. Some of them were dastardly and deserved to be indicted. But some of them just saw him somewhere and they thought, wow, he's got money. Maybe I'll text him and maybe he'll give money to my campaign or maybe he'll help my foundation. So there were all different categories on all aspects of it. And that's, I think, what Cash was trying to say. They're going through the whole and the whole. But the subtext of the whole thing is they sat on this for the whole period under Joe Biden didn't mention it. No one talked about it. It wasn't an issue. It only came out. And then I think now the only remedy is just to let it all out there and let people sift through it.
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Megyn Kelly
There was an exchange between Cash Patel and Senator Josh Hawley of Missouri Republican yesterday on whether there are groups out there that are actually trying to fund violence in America. Watch this interesting Exchange here in Sat 19.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Are you investigating any domestic cells that instigate or encourage or fund or in any way support attacks on churches or other houses of worship?
- [107:01]
Megyn Kelly
Senator, you raise an incredibly important point.
- [107:04]
Victor Davis Hanson
That most people don't look at.
- [107:05]
Megyn Kelly
I've always said we follow the money. And whether it's terrorism or attacks based on ideology or attacks on institutions of faith or people of faith, someone's paying for it. And we are reverse tracing those steps. We are not stopping at the perpetrator themselves. We are reverse engineering to hold those accountable in our investigations to who funded them and knowingly funded them. And we will bring the appropriate steps.
- [107:29]
Victor Davis Hanson
Against them with our partners at doj. Good. I'm glad to hear that. We look forward to hearing reports on that progress.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, that dovetails with what Stephen Miller said the other day to J.D. vance when he was subbing in on Charlie's show. And Victor, it's about time.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Yeah, I mean, every time you see an. When you look at the demonstrations that were in the Columbia campus or you look at the LA Anti Ice, you see all of this, these tents or all of this equipment or masks, somebody, they're all, they're all the same, they're all new. So somebody knows these protester. And that would include religious protests. They know them in advance and they are supplying material for them and financial support because after all, a lot of these people, they're not working, they're just, they're just out there constantly. And we know that some of the signs that they are, they're all printed out and they go out. Especially that one that was really strange was the Tesla stuff. All of a sudden we had this epidemic that everybody was. Yes, it was like a, a script. You go after Tesla, you run them off the road, you try to harass them, you go after dealerships, you key cars. Where do they get all the talking points? Why? And then it just dies down. And so I think, I think it's going to be hard to find. He says he's attempting. It's going to be hard because they're going to say, well, we were just funding peaceful demonstrations. But to the degree that they're violent and there's. I think they're going to, they're going to be able to do that. At least the IRS can. Look at, look at them.
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Megyn Kelly
There was a good exchange between Senator Eric Schmidt, Republican from Missouri, and Cash Patel on left wing violence. And I'm going to play this not for Cash's response, which wasn't much, but for Senator Schmidt's list of what, of the examples. It was thorough and it was powerful. Here it is in sat 18.
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Victor Davis Hanson
Don't give me this both sides bullshit. Mr. Director, I want to ask you, tell me if each one of the following perpetrators or alleged perpetrators were acting from a left wing or right wing political violence. The man who, who killed. Who tried to kill Republican congressmen at the Congressional baseball practice, nearly killing House Majority Leader Steve Scalise. Left wing or right wing violence, Sir?
- [109:51]
Megyn Kelly
I believe it was a left wing ideology.
- [109:53]
Victor Davis Hanson
Okay. Burn down cities during the Summer of love in the George Floyd riots. Left wing violence or right wing violence?
- [110:00]
Megyn Kelly
Sir, I'll rely on you on these.
- [110:02]
Victor Davis Hanson
I don't have off the top of my head.
- [110:04]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
- [110:04]
Victor Davis Hanson
Left wing. The Waukesha Christmas Parade massacre. Left wing or right wing violence? Left wing. The Lee Zeldin stabbing attempt. Left wing or right wing? Left wing. The Covenant School shooting in Nashville. Left wing or right wing? Left wing. The Butler, Pennsylvania assassination attempt on President Trump. Left wing or right wing? Left wing. The Trump International West Palm beach assassination attempt. Left wing. The abundant life Christian school shooting. Left wing. The United Care CEO's murder. Left wing. Tesla's burned, keyed, damaged, firebombed. Left wing. Left wing. The murders at the Israeli embassy. Left wing. The ICE facilities firebombed. Left wing. The Minnesota Catholic school shooting. Left wing. The anti white Charlotte and North Carolina stabbing. Left wing. The attempted Utah news state firebombing. Left wing. And now of course the culmination of this vile trend, a left wing assassination of President or of Charlie Kirk.
- [110:59]
Megyn Kelly
Honestly, Victor, it leads me to ask would anything get the leftist's attention? Like if Charlie's murder on camera doesn't change them into. Into stopping with the violent rhetoric and the normalization of violence when it comes to our politics, what will, what will it take?
- [111:23]
Victor Davis Hanson
I don't think it will. I think what it'll take is a complete political repudiation. Sort of what found followed the hijacking the Democratic party by the McGovern people in 72 and when they got a complete landslide and then except for Jimmy Carter's aberration of four years there was 20 years of Republican governance. And that's the only thing they understand. And they don't understand that because they're idealistic or they're judicious and sober and judicious. They understand that because they don't have power. So the only thing they're going to understand is they're going to have to lose the House and the Senate again and they're going to not win the presidency for the next 10 years. And then maybe, just maybe it'll sink in that people don't want their message. But in that process they're going to get angrier and angrier and angrier and double down and more radical until they implode. And then somebody has an intervention, a kind of a Fetterman intervention, not just one senator but a bunch of people come forward and say the people don't like us and we can't win and we have no power so we've got to at least do a Bill Clinton as he did in 92 or something. But they're not going to self correct because they want to or it's the right thing. It's going to have to be imposed politically on them. But we're going to. We're in some rough times because the more they feel impotent and given their arrogance and narcissism that they think they're better educated and more moral than the rest of us and therefore they have a right of any means necessary or justified because the ends are so noble and so moral and they are the bicoastal elite and they can do this. It's going to be. It's going to be a long haul. It really is. They're very dangerous people. I believe that. I think they're very dangerous.
- [113:12]
Megyn Kelly
I totally agree with that too. There are some who are still normal, but not enough. And while they may be reaching out to those of us on the right now, they need to speak up to their own people. They do so that the overwhelming message of the country is this has to stop. We can fight on politics, we can get into all the issues, but just stop with the constant fascist Nazi white supremacist that does rile people up. We have seen too many examples of it anyway. Victor, I love having you on. I will be getting the new paper book even though we have have read the end of everything. But I want to see the updated info. You guys should do it too. Check it out. And thanks for coming on.
- [113:55]
Victor Davis Hanson
Thank you.
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Megyn Kelly
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