Megyn Kelly (20:03)
Now, that is very interesting, and I believe him there. And it does undercut some reports we had heard late in the case that possibly he had followed one or more of the girls and possibly had liked a post here or there. They still don't know. Steve Gonsalves watched Bryan Kohlberger escorted out of the courtroom yesterday, still not knowing when the beginning of the end was. That's what he said he wanted. I want to know when was the beginning of the end. What was the first contact you had with my daughter or one of her dear friends that led you to come into their house and do this to them? I understand the need to know that. We still don't know. Cops don't know. The best speculation I've heard is that possibly he saw Maddie in that vegan restaurant she waitressed at. I mean, it's just a little too coincidental that he's this die hard vegan. And she was a restaurant. She was a waitress in a restaurant that was vegan. And, you know, there was some speculation, including on Dateline and other sources that have been spot on in this case, that Maddy was the intended target, even though the cops wouldn't say it there. And keep in mind, Kaylee wasn't even supposed to be there that night. So the guy Coburger showed up. He went right up to the third floor to Maddie's room, which was clearly hers. Her pink cowboy boots were in the window. And it appears, was surprised. There's Kaylee on the left and Maddie on the right. And was, I think, was likely surprised to find Kaylee even there. And unfortunately, she was, you know, the victim of circumstance, and so were Zanna and Ethan. Not, Not. Not that being the intended target is any better or less, you know. You know what I'm trying to say. So, yeah, anyway, that. That's. That's what appears to have happened. I. I believe he probably met or saw Maddie at that vegan restaurant and developed a fixation with her because she was everything he couldn't have. She was beautiful. She was vibrant. Her mother, you know, I believe it was Maddie's mother was saying, you know, the irony of all this is, like, if you had just talked to her, she would have been nice to you. And the sister definitely said that about Kaylee. She would have been nice to you. Like, she was such a cool person. Both of these girls were so sweet. Like, she probably would have made you feel better about your awkward, inappropriate conversation. That's what Olivia, Kaylee's sister, was saying. And I believe that every. Every account about these women. You don't hear, like, she was catty, she was petty. She talked about other girls. She had a lot of enemies. It was like they lit up the room when they. These girls were everything Bryan Kohlberger desired and couldn't have. And he needed to snuff out the beautiful life inside of them to make himself feel like something, like he mattered. That's as close as we're ever gonna get. So we're learning more about all these roommates, too, here. That's Zanna on the left. That's Dylan on the right. And in the center are the four murder victims, the two surviving roommates flanking the four who were killed. Kaylee on the bottom, Maddie up top, Ethan standing, and Zanna on second to the right with the darker hair. Here's some more details. This is disturbing. I guess I should have said that at the top before I read what happened to Maddie and Kaylee. Forgive me, but here's some more that we've learned from the around 300 documents that were released. Though they say that potentially thousands will be coming. So there's going to be a lot of updates in this case, as there should be. There shouldn't have been the. The gag order. There was. I know some stuff has to go under. I mean, of course, to make a criminal case, but, like, it's just ridiculous. What a lid they kept on everything, gagging the family members. That was so Inappropriate. And by the way, yesterday or Wednesday, when I watched the, the hearing and I listened to Steve Gonzalez and I heard some of the details, all I could think was, I'll bet you it was Steve Gonzalez who cooperated with dateline. He's been appearing on Dateline that Gonzalez has. They didn't appear in that One Day in Idaho documentary. Probably the way it works in TV is you cut an exclusive deal with somebody and then you can't do another one. But it was curious he wasn't in it because he's been so outspoken and there's nothing wrong with that. I don't mean to impugn him in any way, but I'll just bet you that Steve Gonsalves knew some things from law enforcement and shared them with dateline because he was incredibly frustrated that nothing was getting out there. And I bet he did want people to know and he didn't jeopardize the case. In fact, you know, look, cases go to trial all the time with a lot of the evidence having been shared with the jury pool and with the public. That's what voir dire is for. So you can find the jurors and there are plenty of them who have not been infected by all that stuff hitting the gen pop. It happens all the time. They get screened. Sorry, what do you think happened with Diddy? Like, we all saw so much of that evidence. Who didn't see the CNN tape? Like, anyway, I'm off on a tangent. Let me keep going. They reported that in the, in these papers that the kitchen door of The Murder House, 1122 King Road, was ajar when officers arrived and blood was smeared on the walls and the floors, coating the four college students belongings and pooling by their bodies which were in different areas of the house. It was smeared on the walls and the floors. I don't know how it got smeared. I don't really want to think about it, to be honest with you. You know, I think about like Zanna Kernodle, who he appears to have attacked just outside of her bedroom or possibly in the doorway of the bedroom. But he was leaving the first two murders when he encountered her awake. And I don't think he bargained on that. We learned that he drove his car. It appears he drove his car away from the murder house for a couple of minutes around 4am and that's when her door dash came, her food. It's possible he didn't know anyone in that house was still awake and he'd been sitting there for over an hour, probably just waiting for all the lights to go out in any event. I don't know. Did she try to drag herself back to Ethan? Did someone try to drag themselves. I don't know why. There'd be smearing of blood or possibly just a hand on a wall as the girls fought or someone fought. It's just so awful. Some of the victims who were stabbed multiple times, quoting here, were covered in so much blood. Officers responding to the home at first were not able to sort out what their additional injuries were. In other words, they were so bloodied up, they couldn't see, for example, it sounds like it, the case possibly of Kaylee, how bad the. The beating was that she took, or maybe in the case of Maddie, that she'd been stabbed or sliced across her face as well. There was just so much blood. And you, you know, from Howard Bloom's reporting, and he's had good contacts on both sides that. And when we saw pictures that the house was dripping blood on the outside, there was blood dripping on the outside. It was like the house was bleeding, there was so much blood. And he wrote of the police officer who felt he could smell blood. He walked into that house and it was such a bloody murder scene. He could smell blood and felt sick. Just the. Okay, they said, I think this is from. Let's see. Quote, I was unable to comprehend exactly what I was looking at while trying to discern the nature of the injuries. Or one cop wrote in the newly released files, unable to comprehend exactly what I was looking at. I talked to you about what they found in Kaylee and Maddie. Both stabbed in the lung and the liver. And then also gonSalves Kaylee with two brain bleeds, a stab behind her clavicle which cut the vein and the artery. Had over 20 stab wounds. Now we know it was 34, as well as injuries connected with asphyxiation and blunt force trauma. Kaylee was the only one who suffered blunt force trauma and asphyxiated injuries, they said in addition to sharp force wounds. Zanna Kernodle, who was killed, we believe third. The police say he went up to the top floor, killed the first two went down. Zanna and Ethan were sharing a bedroom on second floor. Had defensive knife wounds on her hands. Again, not surprising she was awake. And remember that we heard Dylan, who was the surviving roommate, who would see him later, said she heard something like whimpering and him saying a male voice saying something like, it's going to be okay, like I'm going to take care of you or something. Give me the team, please. Producers, give Me. Give me the quote. But she heard him say something like, it's going to be okay. And obviously then he killed her. It's just so brutal. This poor young girl, 21 years old, with. She must have been absolutely terrified. Like, think of how terrified Dylan Mortensen was when you heard her testify on Wednesday. She's still living with the terror of that a year later. Think of in the moment, this young girl in her home standing face to face with a killer in a balaclava mask, dressed in black, holding a bloody knife. I mean, it's just unfathomable. And they said Zanna had defensive knife wounds on her hands. It was obvious, say the police, that an intense struggle had occurred. Kernodle's fatal injuries were stab wounds to her lung and her heart. She had over 50 stab wounds, mostly defensive. That poor girl, she fought to save her life. And amazingly, it seems like somehow Ethan slept through it. Maybe the fight was down the hall, I don't know. But he appears to have been stabbed and killed in the bed that the pair of them were sharing. Still on Zanna here, they say police found her lying on her back in her blood stained underwear and shirt with defensive knife wounds to her hand, including a deep gash between her index finger and her thumb on the left hand. Both her shirt and her underwear were covered in blood. Zanna's face and body were covered in dried blood. According to the coroner's report, Ethan Chapin's fatal injury was from a stab wound under his left clavicle, which. Which severed his subclavian vein and subclavian artery and also his jugular. So he took care of Ethan. I mean, I don't know. There's nothing in here about carving. That was reported by Dateline that Ethan's leg was carved. That's not in here. I don't know whether it's because that was untrue or they just didn't include it. The coroner determined that the murder weapon was not serrated, you know, like a jagged edge. It was a single edged, very sharp weapon and concluded that a lot of force was used. It's just the brutality of it. I mean, poor zannic or nodal. 50 stab wounds from this guy that, you know, is obviously bigger than she is. He's got all the advantages. Who's running high on adrenaline from these murders he's already committed. And she's there in her underwear, you know, drunk, I think, from having been out with her boyfriend. I mean, no one's prepared. It's not like you're in A dangerous place and you're on alert and your fight or flight instinct is there. The line she allegedly uttered as heard by her roommate downstair stairs. Now she did not that she uttered. That he uttered and she heard was, it's okay, I'm going to help you. It's okay, I'm going to help you. I suppose that could have been Ethan, but it sounds like Ethan was asleep. There's more. When investigators canvassed the Moscow area to see where locally, if anywhere, the killer might have bought the knife, they visited numerous sporting goods and hardware stores to no avail. We now know he bought it on Amazon, then at Walmart while perusing knives on display. The Walmart employee helping Kohlberger said that about two to three weeks ago. Or helping the cop said that about two to three weeks ago. A white college age male asked for a black ski mask that would cover his face. She was unable to provide much detail other than he was taller than she was and maybe had tan skin complexion. And then she told him they only had camo ski masks available and he walked away. Was that Kohlberger? We believe he got the knife on Amazon. Did he look for the balaclava ski mask at a Walmart? And did this particular employee see him and deal with him? He doesn't have tan skin. Just one of the leads they appear to have been trying to track down. Investigators also spoke with Kohlberger's fellow students at Washington State University. This is new. A fellow teaching assistant said the two discussed that Kohlberger wanted a girlfriend. And they discussed that on many occasions, back to the incel theory. Kohberger also liked to discuss his area of study, which was criminal decision making and burglary type crimes. The student also told investigators about some injuries he witnessed on Kohlberger's face and hands. And while he was unsure of the date, he thought he had noticed the injuries on two separate occasions in October and November 2022. The murders were on November 13, the wee hours of Saturday into Sunday. One was a large scratch on Kohlberger's face, which the student described as looking like scratches from fingernails. The student also saw wounds to Kohlberger's knuckles on two separate occasions. And when he asked Holberger what happened, he replied that he had been in a car accident. Well, we had not heard about any car accident. Can we put the picture on the board of him in the white shirt the morning of the murders? I mean, we've done a lot of speculating over this picture, but it's, it's very interesting now. This person, who was apparently both a PhD student and a TA just like Brian was, had a talk with him and had seen him and suggested wounds on the knuckles. You will notice in this picture only the left hand shows the thumbs up, the right hand's not visible and he's showing the knuckles and they're fine. I mean, I'm assuming he was right handed, as the vast majority of the populace is, it is possible he had marks on the other hand and on the knuckles. I remember we all looked for those on the cross country trip back home with his father. Didn't see much. But that was weeks after the murders. I think at least three weeks after. I don't know about you, but if I have a bruise, it goes away faster than three weeks. And he's a lot younger than I am. I don't see any scratch on his face. You can't quite see the left profile over by the ear. And let's face it, he's so white here. It's possible the guy's wearing makeup. I actually wondered about that before because he looks bloodless. He really looks like a vampire. And it's possible he wore makeup and it's possible he was covering up a scratch. And you know what guys? It's possible he took this picture not fully in celebration of his dastardly deed, but as proof he didn't do it. You know, in his mind. Oh, I was just like taking a thumbs up. It's just a random selfie. It didn't mean anything. And maybe he thought this was a way of showing he didn't have marks on knuckles or face. And maybe he was clever enough to use makeup and to hide the right hand. It's an interesting question. Bethany Funk, who is the other surviving roommate who was in the basement and really heard nothing. She gave a testimonial through a friend at the hearing on Wednesday that she slept through the whole night. She Woke up at 7. Well, we know that Dylan ran into her room around 4:30 because Dylan was scared in her own room, not knowing what to do. And that she like texted with Bethany. They got themselves freaked out and Dylan ran into Bethany's room. But then it sounds like the two of them went to sleep. And Bethany's through her friend testified that the friend reading her statement, she Woke up at 7 in the morning, she had a toothache. She called her dad, who's a dentist, he told her to take to Advil, she did, she went back to sleep. But Bethany also described to investigators an unnerving incident early in November 2022. That's the month of the murders that she recalled Kaylee Gonsalves had told her about. Bethany talked about an incident with Kaylee, who stated about a month earlier she had seen an unknown male up above their house to the south who was staring at her when she, Kaylee, took Murphy the dog out to to relieve himself. Kaylee had told everyone about it and she even called her roommates to ask if they would be home soon. According to Bethany, Dylan Mortensen also weighed in, saying there had been lighthearted talks and jokes made about a stalker in the past and that, quote, all the girls were slightly nervous about it being a fact. Just nine days before the attack, the roommates came home at 11am Nov. 4 to find their front door open, loose on its hinges as the wind blew. Concerned, they grabbed golf clubs from one of the first floor bedrooms and checked the house for a possible intruder. Gonsalves was away for the weekend. Bethany Funk told police her interview in her interview that Zanna Kernodle's father came and fixed the door on the night of the killings. Bethany said between 4 and 4:20am when prosecutors say the murders happened, she heard what she thought was a firework and saw a spark on the ground from under her door, then heard Murphy barking. What could that have been? He didn't use a gun. What could that have been? A firework, A spark on the ground from under her door, then heard the dog barking. Kohlberger was arrested, as you know, on December 30th at his parents home in Pennsylvania, and there are more details on that. When he was arrested, he repeatedly probed investigators, asking why he was in custody and what they wanted to know from him. When he knew, he just wanted to figure out what they knew. At the same time, he acted as though he had only peripheral knowledge of the quadruple homicide that had occurred in Moscow one month prior. Kohlberger was brought to the Pennsylvania State Police barracks, put in an interview room and made small talk with cops, telling one detective that he looked familiar and looked like someone he used to know. Oh, so chummy, like he was with the judge the other day. I respectfully declined. Oh, you're such a good boy, Brian. Yes, you're getting an A on the test. A faking, polite young man who wouldn't commit quadruple murder. It's amazing how this seems important to him. Kohlberger said he, quote, understood why they were engaging in small talk, but would appreciate it if we could explain to him what he was doing there. The detective whose face he had noticed. Asked why he thought we were there, so the detective said to him, why do you think we're here? Kohlberger responded he wanted the detective to tell him. The detective said we were there because of what occurred in Moscow, but did not provide further detail. This is according to the police report. The detective then asked Kohlberger if he watched the news. Kohlberger responded, I do. I watch the news. The detectives said they were there because of, quote, what happened in November just off the University of Idaho campus. Asked if Kohlberger knew what that was, Kohlberger replied, of course, elaborating when prompted that it was the incident we had been investigating for. How long has it been as if he didn't know? He said he was aware of a homicide because of a Wash U alert that he had received. BA Ba BA Wasn't certain when he had gotten it. When asked by the detective if he wanted to talk about that, Kohlberger replied, well, I think I would need a lawyer. It's basically confessing if I want. If you're going to talk to me about that, I need a lawyer. Kohlberger then asked if we would explain to him what we were there for specifically, and then added, he was tired. Investigators had questions and things we hoped Kohberger would help us understand. The detective explained, Kohberger sat back and said he had the utmost respect for law enforcement. There he goes again. I respectfully declined. I'm a good boy, you see, but stated it was a constitutional right to speak to an attorney. Kohberger reengaged again, however, and asked what questions we would have for him. He wanted to figure out what they knew. He was desperate to try to figure it out what specifically we wanted to talk to him about and the reason. At other points in the chat, he talked about his interest in criminal justice, saying he thought about becoming a police officer but did not want to make the commitment unless he was absolutely sure. We know that he sought an internship with a with the Pullman Washington police department. That officer who interviewed him gave an interview with this week saying he was not warm enough. He was not enough of a people person for them to give him the job. They could tell members of the community would not want to talk to him. So good, good. Call Pullman Washington cops. When asked what led him down the road of becoming a professor, Kohlberger said it was because he loved being in college and stated knowledge was far more important to him than money. He also told cops in the room that he was raised Christian but was always a skeptic. Except when confronted with the beauty of the natural world. Well, you're going to find out real soon what. What Christian beliefs are true, like a belief in heaven and hell. And guess where you're going. And it's probably going to be before you reach your 40th birthday, possibly sooner. The inmates that he was housed with are also on record here. The cops went and asked them questions about Kohlberger. That's interesting. He was described by fellow inmates who encountered him in jail as, quote, highly intelligent. We heard that from his lab partner at DeSales, too, that talked about him being extremely smart. And everyone in the. In the room knew it, including Kohlberger, that he was polite. This is the inmates back to them. But that he had, quote, annoying habits. Kohlberger, they said, would wash his hands dozens of times each day, would spend 45 minutes to an hour in the shower, would be awake almost all night, and would only take a nap during the day. That is somewhat consistent with the story his lawyer was trying to weave about how he would go on drives in the middle of the night and stargaze. Now, we all understood she was saying that as his, quote, alibi, which that's not an alibi as a measure of getting him off, but it's not hard to believe he actually did do those things. We know that he was casing the murder house around those hours prior to the murder. And it's possible Brian Kohlberger really did have an insomnia problem that he suffered from in jail. Or it's possible the thought of facing the firing squad caused one for him. In any event, another inmate saying he really didn't sleep and he obsessively washed his hands. They said on one occasion, the fellow inmate overheard Kohlberger video chatting with his mother, which the inmate said he did for hours a day. That's so annoying. How does he get to talk to his mother for over hours a day? Kaylee's never gonna get to talk to her mother again. Maddie's never gonna get to talk to her mother again. Ethan's never gonna get to talk to his mother again. Zanna's never gonna get to talk to her mother again. How does Brian Kohlberger get to talk to his mother for hours on end? Via video chat from a jail cell. That shit better stop now that he's in maximum security. He listened to it. And the inmate who was watching sports in the. In the neighboring cell, I think, said, you suck to one of the players on the team. At which point Coburger immediately got up, put his face to the bars and aggressively asked if the inmate was talking about him or his mother. Yeah, you're super protective of women, Brian. The inmate said this was the only time he saw Kohlberger lose his temper. One officer wrote an inmate in the same facility stated he's a fucking weirdo and that he wasn't worried. If he wasn't worried about the legal repercussions, he the inmate would have physically assaulted Kohlberger. When asked if he thinks Kohlberger is guilty, the inmate said his eyes tell a story. I think that's true. I mean, his most recent mugshot is extra creepy. You can see now he knows exactly what's about to happen to him. And. And he knows he's infamous. Look at that. Look at him staring so intently into the camera. He's trying to tell us something. It can't be. I got away with it. At best, it's I got away with not telling you exactly why I did it. Oh, okay. Let that be of comfort to you as you're bent over and raped in prison and ultimately shivved, which is probably what's coming your way, buddy. Feel great about it until you feel nothing at all. That's it. He's now in the Idaho max security prison. Brian Enten of News Nation went and toured it. This is the most severe correctional facility that they have in Idaho. It's housing some very dangerous criminals, including Chad Daybell of the Lori Daybell, the Lori Valo Daybell murder mystery. He was convicted of killing his ex wife and the two children of his second wife, Lori Vallow Daybell. He's there. Thomas Creech, convicted of five murders. He's confessed to at least 26 others. That's Brian's new roommate. Well, prison mate. Enjoy that. The New York Post going so far as to report the first meal he likely had for dinner on Wednesday. If he made it back in time for dinner, vegans would have been offered vegan barley casserole, baked beans and canned fruit. If he's abandoned the whole vegan thing, he would have had hot dog salad and Jell O pie. It's so satisfying to think of this guy having to eat Jell O pie and canned fruit. Great. I'll end on this creepy detail. Eagle eyed court watchers zoomed in on a drawing that was next to Brian Kohlberger at the hearing on Wednesday. And what they saw was a picture looks hand drawn of a square, inside of which is a black heart. How fitting. Clearly he drew it, though he never glanced down at it or even Moved it as he listened to the testimonials in court. The Post reporting. However, immediately after the hearing ended, one of Kohlberger's attorneys was spotted scooping up the piece of paper. They cited NBC News for that. The lawyer appeared to ask the killer about the heart before smiling and taking the sketch with her. The back of the paper bore a handwritten note. It was not immediately clear what the two said to each other. How appropriate. A black heart, A dark heart, full of nothing. No love, no sadness, no empathy, no regret, no hope, no joy. Just nothing. That's what he said about himself in those earlier musings that he posted. It was clearly him never officially confirmed as a teenager that he felt like just a piece of hamburger meat. That when his father hugged him, he felt nothing. He feels nothing for his mother, nor his father, nor those young people he murdered. Nothing. Which is why it was so brilliant how Olivia Gonsalves spoke to him as the nothing he is, as the joke he's become. You think you're so smart. Did you really think you could cover up the purchase of the knife with an Amazon gift card? That they wouldn't figure it out? You think you're so smart. You're so stupid. Who would leave behind the knife sheath? Who would forget to make a pattern out of turning off their phone when the wee hours of the morning came? I mean, he led the police directly to him, Mr. PhD student. And now he'll pay the price. It's not the price we wanted. Not yet. And we'll move on from this case and hope there's not another. It is important to remember the beautiful lives of those four gorgeous people in the truest sense of that word. You know, they make me want to be a little nicer, don't they? I pray every Sunday in church that I can find it within myself to be a little kinder, a little better, a little more forgiving. And you look at these four, and they really do inspire you. Ethan Chapin, Madison Mogan, Kaylee Gonsalves and Zanna Kernodle. Thank you for being an example in how to live. So very deeply sorry for how your lives ended. We won't forget you. God bless them, God bless their families, and we'll talk to you all on Monday. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear. Let me tell you about something that did not get a lot of news coverage. 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