The Megyn Kelly Show – Episode 1212
"Megyn Kelly on the Truth About the Charlie Kirk Assassination, Plus Dave Smith on Epstein, Israel, and Distrusting the Elites"
Date: December 12, 2025
Host: Megyn Kelly (SiriusXM 111)
Guest: Dave Smith (comedian, commentator, host of "Part of the Problem")
Overview of the Episode
This episode is split into two main segments:
- Megyn Kelly's Monologue — A comprehensive update on the latest legal proceedings concerning Tyler Robinson, the man accused in the assassination of Charlie Kirk, including the details of the case, media rights, conspiracy theories, and reflections on justice.
- Guest Segment with Dave Smith — A wide-ranging discussion diving into the erosion of institutional trust in the United States, the fallout from the Jeffrey Epstein case, transparency in high-profile legal cases, the politicization of justice, Israel and U.S. foreign policy, and elite impunity.
The tone is candid, impassioned, and often combative, as both Kelly and Smith reflect on current events, the justice system, and the cultural moment.
1. Megyn Kelly's Monologue: The Charlie Kirk Case
Detailed Update on Tyler Robinson’s Court Appearance
- Robinson appears in person for the first time (00:31): He wore civilian clothing to avoid biasing jurors. Kelly notes he "was all smiles, which is fucking disgusting" considering the charges.
- Role of Robinson’s parents: Kelly details how his parents identified their own son from FBI-released photos and helped him turn himself in with the aid of a pastor/law enforcement contact.
- Evidence (03:00): Robinson's fingerprints reportedly found all over the gun, ammo, and rooftop doors. He confessed to his parents and, notably, to his "trans furry lover" in text messages—messages Kelly says sound "odd" but do not implicate the FBI, contrary to circulating conspiracy theories.
Notable Quote
“Stop requesting or requiring the FBI or the DOJ to update its evidence for you. You're not the target audience. They're trying to preserve the integrity of this case for when they get it in front of a jury, who are the only people who matter.” – Megyn Kelly (05:24)
Combating Conspiracy Theories and Demanding Transparency
- Media rights and public access (07:45): Kelly asserts the public and media’s right to observe the trial, pushing back against both prosecution and defense efforts to limit courtroom access. There's an ongoing legal fight over press notifications and camera presence.
- Lost surveillance footage? (12:00): Media requests for surveillance video of Robinson turning himself in have been denied—possibly due to standard deletion after 30 days. This raises concerns about transparency and potential evidence loss, with a Utah defense attorney calling the lack of record "very concerning."
Lip Reading “Evidence” and the Weight of Proof
- Daily Mail “lip reader” report (14:24): Reports allege Robinson made comments about thinking of the shooting "every morning, all the time," but Kelly questions the credibility of lip-reading as evidence.
- Kelly’s legal opinion: She’s convinced of Robinson’s guilt, focusing on possible accomplices. Calls for the death penalty: “My only hope is that I can be there in the room when they flip the switch and take his life. I want him dead.” (20:45)
Memorable Moment
“He deserves to be put to death when he's convicted of this crime, which in my strong legal opinion, he should be. … The world, the country, a future president. We all believe that we've been cheated out of.” – Megyn Kelly (21:09)
2. Dave Smith Joins: On Institutions, Epstein, Israel, and Lawfare
Processing Kirk’s Assassination & Presumption of Innocence
- Grief and surreal loss (25:41): Smith discusses the lasting shock from Kirk’s assassination. Both agree that "presumption of innocence" is essential, though emotionally difficult in this case.
- Significance beyond murder: Smith describes it as the "highest profile political assassination of my lifetime... a crime against the country.” (26:37)
Notable Quote
“The presumption of innocence isn’t just a principle. It is the foundational principle of Western civilization. Without it, there is no liberty.” – Dave Smith (26:18)
Institutional Mistrust: From Epstein to COVID and Beyond
- Breakdown of trust (28:17): Smith says the DOJ lost its credibility over Epstein, likening it to “catching your spouse cheating on you. That’s it. The trust has not been rebuilt.”
- Megyn’s examples: Recent headlines detailing post-vaccine deaths and covered-up myocarditis reinforce the perception of government and scientific institutions lying or hiding the truth.
Debating Israel, Intelligence, and Public Debate
- Speculation on Israeli intelligence and Epstein (31:13): Dave recounts how legitimate speculation is quickly branded anti-Semitic. Kelly highlights how critics face swift demonization.
- Experience of “snake” behavior among pundits: Both cite personal examples of colleagues (e.g., Josh Hammer) acting duplicitously in public and private regarding Israel-related debates.
Memorable Moment
“Ben Shapiro will... sit down with a progressive who believes in transing the kids … He’s not sitting down with me. I’m beyond the pale. So, like, it's obvious. ... You are evil if you’re not on the same page with them as far as [Israel] is concerned.” – Dave Smith (51:09)
The Epstein Photos & Elite Impunity
- Release of Epstein estate photos (40:48, 44:01): Kelly describes the national security excuses given for not fully disclosing the Epstein files, skepticism about political will, and the incomplete revelations so far. No evidence of sexual misconduct in released images.
- General sense of elite untouchability: Smith rails against the lack of consequences for institutional wrongdoing—referencing Russiagate, DOJ mishandlings, illicit wars, and systemic impunity for the rich and powerful.
Lawfare, “Anarcho-Tyranny,” and Political Justice
- Failures to Indict:
- Discussion of Tish James’ mortgage fraud, dismissed indictments, and apparent politicization of grand juries in blue states (54:30).
- Smith describes a system of “anarcho-tyranny”—where “the top and the bottom have essentially anarchy ... The middle live under tyranny.”
- Example: Regular citizens crushed for regulatory or tax violations, while elites and criminals face impunity.
Notable Quote
“You can frame the sitting president for treason ... nobody will ever go to jail for that. And then even financially ... the top and the bottom have a giant welfare state. ... But the guy making 400 grand a year has to pay, like, 220 grand a year in taxes...” – Dave Smith (56:27)
Economic Crisis and the Vanishing Middle Class
- Unaffordability crisis (58:03): Smith critiques politicians for running on “unaffordability,” linking it to money printing and inflation over multiple presidencies, and the hollowing out of middle-class prospects—especially for younger generations saddled with debt.
- No genuine opposition in either party: Megyn laments Republicans’ abandonment of fiscal restraint and the normalization of massive overspending.
3. Closing: Ilhan Omar, Immigration Fraud, and Lighter Notes
Potential Ilhan Omar Immigration Scandal
- Possible denaturalization (60:06): Kelly discusses reports about missing paperwork for Omar’s father’s naturalization and speculates about possible consequences, up to and including deportation for fraud.
Social Commentary & Humor to Close
- Smith on assimilation and gratitude: “No self-respecting country can have a system where anyone … can come in and then immediately start lecturing us about how our society is wrong and needs to be overhauled. I just, it's so outrageous.” (63:14)
- Analogy: Kelly likens this to a rude dinner party guest critiquing the host’s home and food.
- Light-hearted banter: The two joke about being "wine snobs," the virtues of "pigs in a blanket" vs. caviar (65:56), and humble tastes.
Notable Quotes & Timestamps
| Quote | Speaker | Timestamp | |---|---|---| | “Stop requesting or requiring the FBI or the DOJ to update its evidence for you. You're not the target audience...” | Megyn Kelly | 05:24 | | “He deserves to be put to death when he's convicted of this crime, which in my strong legal opinion, he should be.” | Megyn Kelly | 21:09 | | “The presumption of innocence isn’t just a principle. It is the foundational principle of Western civilization.” | Dave Smith | 26:18 | | “This DOJ lost all credibility over the Epstein thing. ... That’s it. The trust has not been rebuilt.” | Dave Smith | 28:17 | | “Josh Hammer ... snake behavior. ... He gets out there in his opening statement and he goes, ‘I'm disgusted to be on this stage with Dave Smith right now.’” | Dave Smith | 35:08 | | “You can frame the sitting president for treason ... nobody will ever go to jail for that.” | Dave Smith | 56:27 | | “No self-respecting country can have a system where anyone ... can come in and then immediately start lecturing us about how our society is wrong.” | Dave Smith | 63:14 |
Key Segment Timestamps
- Charlie Kirk case analysis, courtroom details: 00:31–22:22
- Dave Smith conversation begins: 24:46
- On institutional distrust (Epstein, COVID): 28:17–32:00
- Debating Israel, public discourse repercussions: 32:14–36:44
- Epstein files and elite impunity: 44:01–49:25
- Lawfare, anarcho-tyranny, economic injustice: 54:30–60:06
- Ilhan Omar nationality discussion: 60:06–64:06
- Lighter closing (wine, dinner parties, pigs in a blanket): 64:06–66:29
Summary
This episode is a dense, emotionally charged blend of legal analysis, cultural critique, and political skepticism. Megyn Kelly anchors the episode with a passionate update on the Kirk assassination case, fiercely defending due process while expressing moral outrage. Dave Smith’s guest appearance expands the lens, diagnosing a collapse in trust toward American institutions—government, media, public health, and the justice system—and connects elite impunity from the Epstein saga to present-day legal battles.
The conversation is punctuated by sharp criticism of colleagues and political figures, candid admissions of loss and anger, meditations on justice and the rule of law, and, in closing, an attempt at levity over food and wine choices. Listeners are left with a sense of deep skepticism, loss, and frustrated hope for accountability—but also moments of humor and camaraderie.
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