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Platner's "Sexting" Scandal Lies, Jill Biden's Book Tour Panic, and CBS Host Attacks Boss Bari, with Emily Jashinsky | Ep. 1329
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Megyn Kelly is joined by Emily Jashinsky, host of "After Party," to talk about the shocking "sexting" scandal now exposed about Maine senate candidate Graham Platner, the way his wife is responding to it now, the lies from Graham Platner in response to the "sexting" reporting, whether this will affect his chance of winning in November, the gross details about Graham Platner's messages and profile on the "Kik" social media platform, the messiness of the campaign drama coming out into public view now, the extreme leftist Tom Steyer now surging in the California governor race, his outrageous comments praising the boy winning girls' medals in California now, "Dr." Jill Biden getting softball questions as she begins her book tour, Biden getting flustered when she got slightly challenging questions on the Today show, her endless lies and admissions about the President Biden health and cognitive fitness situation, breaking news reporting about Scott Pelley attacking Bari Weiss and the new...
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Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon. East Foreign. Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show and happy Monday and happy June. It's June 1st. How did that happen? Great to be here. There is a ton to get to today. We hardly know where to begin, including some stunning reports about the front runner to be the Democrat nominee for Maine's Senate seat. We are going to go through this Graham Platner fake denial like we are FBI agents trying to crack open a homicide case. This guy is lying through his teeth. Do you care? That's up to you. But I do care when they lie. You want to fuck around on your wife? Excuse me. It's kind of your business, but the lying to my face is upsetting. And honestly, this guy is emotionally unregulated. That's what's true. All right, this, this June 9th primary is going to happen and he's going to win that. And then he's expected to face off against the incumbent Republican senator Susan Collins, who, you know, she gets a lot of crap from, you know, die hard righties because she's so moderate, she'll work across the aisle. People are now ripping her for voting for President Biden's. Well, wait, no. For, you know, President Obama's Supreme Court nominees and President Biden's, I guess, too, including Katanji, Brown, Jackson. But that's what senators used to do. That. That was normal. It was normal for senators to vote for a president's Supreme Court nominees, unless they were really a super crazy ass, you know, leftist or righty being nominated anyway, Susan Collins is going to have to face off against this guy and this woman who everybody wanted to go farther to the right, do more like more extreme things. She didn't because she lives in Maine. She would never get reelected. I mean, she's barely hanging on right now having held the moderate line. So you can kind of see the position she's been in. And she might lose to this guy with a Nazi Tattoo and apparently six to 12 sexting partners while he's married. Like it's a problem for her if that happens. But we've got a lot to do there on that show. All right. And it's like his Reddit posts, that was one thing. Now he's on, he's, it's, he's been outed as being on this website, kick, which is known for like the place to exploit children. Why, why was he on there? Why did he join that at 32 years old? I'm dead serious. Like I, the sexting scandal while he's married is interesting to me, but I'm much more interested in why is a 32 year old man on kick? What exactly did he do on there? It should be knowable. But if there is any, any whiff of any sort of exploitation of a child, we do need to know that that's a hard no on advancing in American politics. So I don't know that there's, there is any. I'm not suggesting that I've seen anything, but you shouldn't be on kick. You shouldn't be on kick as a 32 year old man. That's what it's known for. So we've got a lot of juicy details about the sexting scandal and all this stuff and we got to get into their denials. Also. The Cretan Tom Steyer is surging in the race for California governor as voters head to the polls tomorrow. This thing where they have to elect the top two happens tomorrow and he's up there. It's basically now Javier Becerra is at the top and it's a tie just about. It's like one point separating them for a second between Tom Steyer and Steve Hilton. It could wind up that Steve Hilton is not even in the top two. My friends don't allow this to happen. California viewers, please, I beg of you. So what is this villainous Tom Steyer do who's, you know, his biggest push in the final moments has been we have to have boys and girls sports. And looking at this A.B. hernandez, who's been stealing all the girls medals in California and saying, like, I'm so proud of you and I will make it my mission to support you. Danger. What? What are you saying? You're going to protect A.B. hernandez from danger? It is the boys and girls sports who are endangering the girls. Like track and field is one thing. At least AB Hernandez is not endangering anybody. But other boys are in field hockey and volleyball and basketball and soccer. So that's his closing message. And for the final ad of this phase of the campaign, who does he turn to? Jon Hamm. Okay, now, you guys know Maureen Callahan, the greatest. We love her. If you haven't watched or listened to the Nerve, do yourself a favor. This weekend we're going to the summer months. It's a great time for the Nerve. The Nerve is fun and it's all about culture. And she's our cultural prosecutor, as she calls herself. And she is. She opened the Nerve, the inaugural episode of the Nerve, on Jon Hamm and his alleged severe abuse of a young man in a fraternity hazing scandal that for some reason, Hollyweird has allowed him to escape or ignore. Well, you wanna get political, John? Let's go. It's on. It's on. I cannot believe Tom Steyer didn't at least do a Google search of Jon Hamm before selecting him to voice over his campaign ad. We'll get into it. Plus Dr. Jill Biden. And yes, indeed, they are all calling her that. It's so absurd. Dr. Jill is on a media tour ahead of the release of her new memoir Tomorrow. And. And even though she's being treated with kid gloves, it's not going well. It is not going very well at all. She went over to the Today show this morning and like the mildest little questions from Craig Melvin resulted in her getting so defensive, demanding that we see her as inspirational. She's giving Gayle King. Here to react to all of these stories and more is our friend Emily Jashinsky. She is host of After Party on the MK Media Podcast network. You can just find that by going to any podcast button on your phone and typing in After Party. And her show will come up and then you can hit subscribe. And she also hosts the Megyn Kelly show wrap up program right here on SiriusXM after our show ends at 2:00pm Eastern. You might already own a firearm, but what if you could start with less lethal methods to avoid the financial and mental repercussions of actually pulling the trigger. This is where Byrna comes in. That's by R N A. Burna's less lethal launchers are equipped with tear gas and kinetic ammunition and designed to incapacitate an attacker for up to 40 minutes. And burner is excited to introduce the all new compact launcher. It's sleek, slim and hits like a sledgehammer. The same SL size as a smartphone, allowing women to conceal, carry everywhere comfortably and with confidence. It fires at 400ft per second. That's a lot of power to stop aggressors in their tracks. 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Megyn Kelly
Thanks for having me. Megan. Good to be here.
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Emily Jashinsky
Oh my God. I don't even know where to start, but I guess I'll start with Graham Platner because I am into these obviously fake denials. So it's crazy what they're going with he and his wife. Like, let me start with this. I just said last week when Ken Paxton beat John Cornyn, notwithstanding the fact that Ken Paxton has all these scandals in his past, including like with women, not his wife, and that the wife filed for divorce saying it wasn't a biblical marriage, that I think we've gotten to the point in American politics where, as Heather McDonald has been arguing for a while, like eros has no place in assessing a candidate's fitness. Like men will be men is a short form way of putting it. I'm sorry to be sexist. I guess women will be women too. But you know what? I'm saying that like after the excesses of the MeToo movement, which was more about sexual harassment and abuse than it was about cheating on your spouse. But people are just like shy to get into what's happening in a person's marriage as a matter of politics. And I think that's right. I think we are very different minded about it in 2026 than we were in 2016. Even. However, what Graham Platner should have done was to come out and say, my wife and I had problems in the beginning of our relationship. We dealt with them through counseling. And that's all I'm going to say about it. It's a private matter. That's it. I honestly, I would be like, get off his back. I really would. But that's not what he did. He came out and clearly lied to us, and now it's on. Now it's on. Graham, because you've been lying for a while. Like, you didn't know that was a Nazi tattoo. That's obviously not true either. We don't know why he got a Nazi tattoo. I don't think you're a Nazi.
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Megyn Kelly
He was drunk on marine leave in Croatia, which. Who among us? Megan.
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Emily Jashinsky
I mean, you know, I've told you, I was like my mom, Linda, she got a tattoo when she turned 70. It was of a rosary. I don't think she could have, like, accidentally been inked with a swastika or Nazi insignia, But she probably wasn't that drunk. You know, my mom could have been.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, no, I don't think she was
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Emily Jashinsky
drunk at all, in any event. So just to back up, the Wall Street Journal breaks this story that he allegedly was sexting with some. Some number of women post his marriage to his wife Amy. And pre launch of the campaign, he married his wife amy in late 2023. Definitely in 2023. I think it was late 2023. So this is recent history. This isn't like they got married 25 years ago and there was something like, who. Who cares? Right? This is a couple years ago. He had. He was a newlywed, and he was caught sexting with some number of women, 6 to 12. Originally the number was 12, and then their defense was it was only 6. Note to the fellas at home, don't try this.
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Megyn Kelly
You have to set the bar high. So then when you get to the real number,
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Emily Jashinsky
half that, honey, like half that.
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Megyn Kelly
A 50 decrease.
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Emily Jashinsky
Right, right. It's going in the right direction. So he. And. And by the way, one of the really interesting things is the person who outed this, Genevieve McDonald, who did not cloak herself in nobility either, because this woman, the reason she apparently knew that this was true is she is the one who heard it directly from Amy. She was running Graham's campaign, and she went to Amy and I guess Graham saying, if there's anything bad we need to know about, please tell us now. So we're not surprised. And then Amy told her this. So I do feel bad, because that is dirty pool, man. That's. That hurts. But, you know, live and learn. You know, I've been burned by these nasty PR agents too, in the past. They are just a bunch of Disgusting, filthy scum. There might be one or two exceptions out there, but as a pool, disgusting, filthy, dirty, lying scum. That's what they are. So this woman wasn't pr, she was campaign, which. Same, same rules. Anyway, now she's decided to go out. The story. The threats that came her way from the Platner campaign, we can get to in a minute. But she gets the story out there. So it's not like oppo research, like she heard it directly from Amy. It's. That's pretty. Other than having Amy sit down with the New York Times and say it, you're not going to do better than that. Which is why both papers went with it and felt confident in going with it. Well, then Amy comes out with her, okay, long, overly therapized response to this, and then Gran comes out with what are clearly lies. And let's go through them each. Let's first look at Amy's response to the reporting. In part, she went on. This is boiled down to a minute. I find it really shameful that there's a group of media outlets and people who are willing to spread gossip instead of talking about real issues. Graham and I have a great marriage. Being married is hard. Being newly married is hard. Being newly married and going through infertility is hard. Being newly married, going through infertility and a Senate campaign is. Is hard. Our marriage counselor helps. My personal counselor helps. Graham's personal counselor helps. I don't want a perfect marriage. I want my marriage. And I want to be married to Graham. I knew the man that I married had been through an immense amount of violent, active combat, and he's been in therapy for years. I just. I admire the fuck out of him. So when there are news articles about our marriage, it's just extra shitty. Okay, so, Emily, just a couple things. Media outlets willing to share gossip like. Like, this is the media's creation. This is not the media's creation. This is your husband's creation. No one forced him to run for office. Literally. Nobody could have stayed on the side. This is why a lot of people stay on the sidelines. They don't want to get dragged for bad behavior. Most people don't have as quite as few, quite as many items in that column as Graham Platner does. Right. You have a couple things that they. They feel ashamed about or they wish they hadn't done. It's like Nazi tatt. And maybe a dozen sexting partners while married is different. Not to mention the KIK membership, which we'll get to. That's One point, which I wanna talk to you about. And secondly, being married is hard. Disagree. Disagree. I've said this before. It's actually awesome. And I. You know, I have to say, I do think if you really think marriage is very hard, you might not be married to the right person. You can disagree with me. There may be a lot of married people out there disagreeing with me, but my own view of it is if it's really hard, you marry the wrong person. I'm blessed to tell you my marriage is not hard. 10% of it is hard. 90% of it is totally blissful and awesome. Married. My best friend, he's supportive, he's great. We're hot for each other. It's the first person I look forward to talking to about anything. Like, it's great. I don't know why she's having such a hard time two years in. Then she says being newly married is hard. No, it's not. That's usually the blissful period for everyone. What do you mean? Even the people who think it's hard and disagree with me on it will usually say that the early years are good. Even their early years apparently not good. Newly married while going through infertility is really hard. Again. No, it isn't. I did that, too. It was fine. We did it together. It was a journey. We knew, you know, whatever happened, we'd be okay. We had each other. They're apparently not looking at each other that way because he's busy on kick. And then newly married, married. Newly married and newly married going through infertility and while running a Senate campaign is really. Who made you do that? Who made you run for office? Everyone's got challenges. They may not be running for Senate, but everyone has a boss. Everyone has the fear of getting fired. Everyone always has the risk of public humiliation, whether it's via Facebook or, you know, friend group or what have you. So you're not special. Just stop, okay? You're in this position because of your own decisions. Yours and your very strange husband's. So let's start there with Amy and the messaging around all this. Egypt.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. I mean, you can't, obviously, you can't blame the media for reporting a story about the character of somebody who's trying to win a Senate seat, a competitive Senate seat nonetheless. So, yeah, that's a little bit of a cop out. I think I heard Platner also yesterday saying that there was journalistic malpractice at hand. I read both the Times story, the Wall Street Journal story. Didn't see anything that really qualified as journalistic malpractice in that. But he is a four time combat veteran and has said that he has ptsd. That's how he explained the Reddit posts. So I don't doubt that it probably is difficult for any person suffering that much to get help. But he also said that he started to get help around 2017 for his PTSD when he was explaining the Reddit posts. And part of his explanation for that was he, you can see in his own Reddit posts, he says they become calmer, less angry, less irrational. So that was 2017 and we're talking about the early 2000s here. So I'm a bit curious because this is a weird comparison. It reminds me a little bit, a little bit, it's not apples to apples, but a little bit of John Fetterman in that John Fetterman may have a lot of the positions that people agree with in Pennsylvania or may not. I mean, a lot of progressives love John Fetterman when he was running for Senate and they thought the same people who like Platner now really liked John Fetterman. And we're trying to say it doesn't matter, like what he's gone through with his stroke, he's fine, he's okay. And I think a lesson of Fetterman actually is that you used the term like emotional regulation earlier, Megan. I think there are some people who are now going to look at this and think that's a serious when it comes to Platner. To be honest, I think a lot of people are in the kind of Paxton camp where they're like, I gave up on politicians being decent human beings 10 years ago because I've become so cynical. It's no longer the case. And I think a lot of people probably still willing to vote for Grant Platner, but there is a question of like, are you able to even do the job if you were still suffering from PTSD at that level where it would be affecting your marriage significantly with infidelity? So that does raise a question, I have to say.
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Emily Jashinsky
I mean, I wouldn't vote for Graham Platner if I were in Maine. I'd be voting for Susan Collins. But if I were inclined to vote for him, I don't think his sexting scandal would stop me. I have to be honest, I don't think it would. I don't think it's great. But it doesn't necessarily tell me he's a bad man. It tells me he married the wrong person and is making bad decisions around It. Again, I'm not saying it's ethical. I certainly don't want it to happen to me, but I'm just saying, would it stop me from voting for him? No, it wouldn't. Like, same way Trump's got some history there, too. It didn't stop me from voting for him either. In 2026America, I think we're getting really honest about the fact that a lot of people make bad decisions in their marriage or their relationships. And if we make that the stakes of whether we elect them or not, we're not gonna have that many left from the look of it. Whatever. It's still kind of interesting because it does speak to sort of a wider narrative in the guy's life, but which is he's got some real issues now. I. I'm all for therapy. I've said that before. I know therapy's no longer in vogue, but I have a great therapist now who's more like a life coach. He's. He doesn't tolerate nonsense. He doesn't let me wax poetic about anything bothering me. He just, like, redirects me and gives me useful tools for. For dealing with problems. And I love that. And I recommend that to anybody. Rumination about your problems and blaming it all on your mom or your dad or whatever, that's. That's, that's bad. I think that's the bad therapy. But. So you're telling me that she's now saying, he's in therapy and she's in therapy and they're in marriage therapy, and they make mental health a part of every day, and we are supposed to believe that he can handle the demands of the US Senate just fine? Like, when's he going to go to the Senate? Between all of his therapy sessions and his mental health work, I'm dead serious. Like, all the numerous, you know, meetings he's gonna have to have and counseling sessions he's having and what does he do to. What does that mean? Mental health is part of your day? Well, how do you deal with that? Like, I'd love to have a follow up on that, because I would prefer we send somebody who is. It's fine to go through that journey. Good. Good on them for working on things. Maybe the Senate run should come after. That's complete. Like, closer to complete. No.
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Megyn Kelly
And I think, actually this is an interesting question for some of the progressives who've been very disappointed by John Fetterman, because Fetterman gets into the Senate, and I think he checked himself in for depression for, like, an inpatient care for depression for weeks. And if you look at what happened to Fetterman, he has changed some of his positions on those issues that progressives cared most about. Like there's a certain kitchen table, progressive economic policies, those sorts of things. He's changed his disposition, his temperament. So I think that is actually kind of an interesting comparison. It's that, like, when somebody is thrust into a job that is enormously stressful and high stakes, and they're dealing with significant mental health problems, that would go back to being in Ramadi in 2006, where Platner was, along with a lot of other men who've served the country and have dealt with ptsd. I think that's actually a kind of a fair question. I'm with you, Megan. I think at this point, most people are so cynical. Like they've seen a million John Edwards come and go. It's like clean cut guys that are supposed to be pastors, basically, and you find out it's not the case. And people are desperate and cynical right now in America. It's very much a populist moment still. And so they're willing to pull the lever for anybody who's going to throw a wrench into the system or challenge the establishment or both. And I think a lot of people see that in Platner. I think he knows that, and I think that's why he's still drawing crowds. I was looking at local news reports in Maine from yesterday. He was still drawing crowds. He was doing campaign rallies with his wife and all of that. So I think that a lot of people are sort of past this. But at the same time, I do think progress progressives might be asking themselves a little bit of that question right now. They really like Graham Platner. Go ahead.
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Emily Jashinsky
Unless they get that the main governor who bailed because she had no money back into this race within the next week, they have no alternative. And honestly, what they really want on the progressive side is to unseat Susan Collins and get a Senate seat that they didn't have. So if I were a Democrat, I'd say we're gonna have to dance with this guy. No matter what his problems are. We're gonna have to downplay them and get him day and then, you know, try to fight Susan Collins as being lame and not relevant and too old for Maine. I mean, that's what I do if I were a Democrat. The campaign's response has been to point out in all of these articles, Wall Street Journal and New York Times, that the, the sexts they. They are from. They were found earlier in their marriage. Okay. They got married in 2023. We're still early in their marriage. Who cares? Like, it was 2023. And in any event, before the campaign was launched, that they, that they ended before the campaign was like, who cares? Like, this is like a made up artificial date that's supposed to tampen down or dampen down the scandal. Like, well, he stopped doing it before he announced for Senate. Who cares?
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Megyn Kelly
And also that was like, they were leaning on this. That was also like a year and a half ago. That was not that long ago at all. It's really recent history. Yeah.
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Emily Jashinsky
Like, this is the same party that's been trying to make Stormy Daniels a thing in our lives for 10 years. That wasn't recent. Like, what do you. What do you mean? How far do we go back in Trump's history? We just had to spend two years talking about fucking E. Jean Carroll. It was 35 years ago. Like, stop. What do you mean it? Well, he stopped it before he announced for Senate that. So I can't talk about it. I don't think those are the rules.
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Megyn Kelly
And how many times was E. Jean Carroll on Rachel Maddow? Right. Like, it's not true that everybody on the left has been obsessed with Ken Paxton and Trump scandals and Kristi Noem and all of that, but a lot of people have been. And a lot of prominent pundits in media who may now be very excited about Graham Platner and who may now be defending Graham Platner are actually getting a look in the mirror a little bit or finding out what it's like when the shoe is on the other foot. Because Republican voters, many of them since the primaries in 2016, were telling people, we no longer care about this character bullshit, no matter how much others might disagree with it, no matter how much I might disagree with it. They've been saying, we don't care about it anymore because we don't believe that Jeb Bush is that much better of a man as Donald Trump if he's going to, at the time, send people back into the Middle east or if he is going to make my life that much harder. We don't necessarily believe that because he has led this perfect personal life, he's going to be a more moral president. That goes back 10 years for Republicans. You can go back to the Clinton administration and Lewinsky scandal and hear Gloria Steinem and other feminists making that case, but it was thrown out the window in the Trump era for a lot of prominent Democrats, and now they're finding out that Republican voters, the sentiments of Republican voters who said, we don't care about this stuff anymore because we are desperate after the Great Recession, after all of these failed wars in the Middle east, now with the AI boom threatening to displace half of white collar jobs. We just want somebody who is going to metaphorically blow up the political establishment. And it's a lesser of two evils voting process for a lot of voters out there now. And now the left is with Graham Platner experiencing a little bit of the Paxton case that Texas voters just reckoned with last week.
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Emily Jashinsky
Yes, yes. Republicans gave up on this with Trump. They. Back in 16. This was a huge debate. You had all these Republicans running as, like, true conservatives against Trump, saying, like, my God, look at his marital history. You know, like he's had multiple affairs, which he's bragged about in the New York tabloids. It's like, not a secret. And they didn't care. And people tried to shame the evangelicals into like, how could you support him? Why wouldn't you be for Ted Cruz? And they loved Trump. They loved what he stood for. And it was a big deal to have Republicans who were always like the, you know, the party of virtue say, we no longer care. We gotta be honest. We don't actually care about that anymore. And that was the end of that. So it's like, it's gonna be tough for Republicans to make this sale too, right? That, like, Graham Platner's marital issues are, you know, make him beyond the pale. Like, Republicans cannot make that point. This is gonna have to be a Democrat issue. But I do find lying interesting, and here is a whole bunch of it. Listen, in my view, listen to Graham Platner trying to respond to this and speaking to the local ABC outlet in Portland. It's no surprise to me that the
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Megyn Kelly
establishment media outlets are just going to run gossip.
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Emily Jashinsky
Amy and I have a very loving and very happy marriage.
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Megyn Kelly
But of course, the powers that be do not want us to talk about that. And so they're going to just do gossip instead. But the stories are true, right? About the texts? No, no, this is, this is the amazing part. The Wall Street Journal, New York Times ran stories without any evidence besides the gossip from a former staffer. I'm sorry, that's. That's frankly journalistic malpractice. We pushed back on it. They wanted. They did it anyways, so.
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Emily Jashinsky
So are you confirming that the messages did not exist?
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Megyn Kelly
What's that?
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Emily Jashinsky
The messages, they did not. I'm confirming that.
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Megyn Kelly
What Genevieve McDonald said in the New York Times is not true. So you never met with her about
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Emily Jashinsky
uncomfortable, for lack of a better word, sexting messages? As the campaign was going, we talked about things in Amy and I's marriage
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Megyn Kelly
that we've gone through over the years. We talked about that because that's our marriage. And we discussed it with the campaign. What Genevieve McDonald claims isn't true.
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Emily Jashinsky
Okay? Everything he said is a lie. It's an obvious lie. It's a dodge, Graham. Not it. That was a fail. An utter fail. We're not dumb. We're not stupid. I'm starting to think you might be though, sir. Okay. Tries to blame the establishment media as reporting gossip. They got it indirectly from your wife. Your wife is your outer. Sorry, she's the one who outed you. That's why we believe it. And the person who repeated what your wife told them was at the time she received the information, your campaign manager. Someone who at that time at least was loyal to you, by the way. That's another thing that's on you. You apparently chose somebody who's not loyal, and that also is on you as a leader. Okay, then he says, Then they say, so it's not true. What? What they reported is not true? No. The Wall Street Journal and the New York Times ran stories without evidence besides what they heard from someone, whoever he said. So they ran without evidence. Evidence is a first person testimonial or a second person testimonial if received from a reliable source. And that's what they ran. That is evidence. And he knows damn well that's true. And they both know that Amy's the source, the wife is the source. Then he says, a reporter. Good for her says. Are you saying the messages do not exist and now our audience knows? We don't hear yes. We don't hear no. We hear a dodge. What I'm saying is that what Genevieve McDonald said is not true. Well, I mean, any amateur lie detector can drive a truck through the loopholes in that non denial denial. Genevieve used the word were 12 when in fact there were only six. Or I wouldn't describe. Baby, you're hot and I want you as a sex. I think a sex has to have explicit language in it about your unit or hers. Right? Like whatever. That's such a joke of it. He's got to get better at lying if he's going to be a politician. Then you. You never. You never did. You never met with her regarding sexting. And once again, we talked about the state of. Of Amy. And I's marriage, which is. I mean, the, The English needs some work. We talked about it. Yeah. So that's. Eventually, he gets to what's effectively an admission. I mean, again, here are the two options. You should either just say, I'm not gonna answer questions about this. Amy and I did go through something at the beginning of my marriage. We worked it out, and we continue to work it out. We're both happily married. And beyond that, it's none of your business. I think most people would accept that. They'd be like, you're right, it actually isn't any of my business. But this, this bullshit is just going to keep the story alive. Because Republicans, who may not be feeling all that judgy thanks to Trump, have no problem amplifying a scandal on the left when it comes to one of the main Senate seats the GOP needs to defend. And he just gave them so much fodder. He gave them so much fertilizer on those seeds, Emily, which was a massive neophyte error on his part.
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Megyn Kelly
And I wouldn't doubt that there's more to come. It's very early in this race. I mean, it's not even past this technical primary, but I would bet there'll be more to come for Platner. And that's where I've been fascinated by this campaign since he launched, because it seemed to me like he was trying to do a sort of post Trump campaign where he understood, or his consultants also understood the value of authenticity, even if sometimes it's like performative authenticity, but the value of just like, getting out there and owning your Reddit posts and being like, hey, I just seen a lot of stuff. I was struggling. I wasn't doing well. Yes, I called myself a communist and a socialist, but I, you know, I'm not now. And that's where this is. Would have been an opportunity for him to just go in front of the cameras and instead of denying anything or doing these artful dodges that weren't so artful as in last night, he could have just said, you people don't care about the mistakes I made in my marriage. They care that I am going to make their health care affordable. They care that I'm going to take on the establishment on X, Y and Z. I'm going to stop these wars. I mean, like, that's what he could have done. He's tried to do a little bit of both, as has his wife, who said, I'm very upset that we're talking about this and not the issues, but he could have just Leaned into it and been like, I'm not even going to talk about it. Like you said, Megan. And that would have been probably a way better. Like we saw this with Talarico last week. Talarico tried to do his cleanup tour and you covered it where he came out and said, of course I believe that there are only two sexes. He's on tape saying there are six sexes. At least six sexes. You can't do that if you're running these new campaigns. Because the one thing people want to know is that you believe what you're saying that you believe. Like that's the biggest problem for Platner right now. He needs to come across as at least being honest. Because once you lose that they might not trust that you actually are going to make health care cheaper, that you actually are going to vote against wars. Like that's how low institutional trust is. You have to meet the moment.
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Emily Jashinsky
I mean, there's a difference too in my mind between for example, what that disgusting Republican in Texas did Congressman, where he was cheating with a staffer who worked for him demanding nudes from her. And this woman's life blew up as a result of this affair to the point where she wound up setting herself on fire, taking her own life. And this congressman took no responsibility. That's a filthy pig. And he was basically forced to say he's going to resign only after Swalwell fell apart. However, you know, and Swalwell's behavior, that's, that's different than just being like whatever this is, you're sexting behind the back of your wife. Again, for the record, not an endorsement. Don't want it to happen. Just saying, you know these, each of these things has to be evaluated on a case by case basis. But the way not to handle it is to just lie to the public and pretend it's the media's fault. That's not what this is. This. Sorry, you're going to have to deal with it now. Potentially more despicable than any of those items we just listed is child exploitation. Don't know whether Graham Platner's ever done that at all. Needs to be investigated. That actually we do need to know about. I don't know how you get on kick and figure out exactly what interactions Graham Platner had. But why is a 32 year old man on there a website that is known for sexually exploiting minors? Here's the Daily Wires reporting on it. It's called a Predator's Paradise. It was created in June of 2016. His, his, his particular Kick profile. Here's his picture. Look at this. It's disgusting. It's his weirdly stout, kind of fat body, wearing a white towel covering just below the navel. Obviously he thinks this looks hot and enticing. I can see the damn toilet. So apparen, he thinks he should show off the shitter, and that's gonna entice some lady. You can see all of his tats, so you know it's him. And he cut off his head, so he wants you to see his not hot chest. Sorry, Graham. And his toilet. Like, this is all so gross. It's just gross. So he posts this on there. He joined in June of 2016. Again. He was almost 32 when he joined. 70% of users on Kik Reports the Daily Wire are between the ages of 13 and 24. That's. That's a lot younger. You're. You are walking into a potentially much younger dynamic there. A Forbes investigation found that Kik had a, quote, huge child exploitation problem. The BBC found that the app was at the center of over 1100 child sexual abuse cases in the UK between 2013 and 2018, just around the time he was joining. It has been described as having, quote, the app is being, quote, the app with the most severe sexual content. It offers sexually explicit live chats with women, and it's often found at the center of sexploitation cases where the predators coax someone into sending nude photos and then use the images for blackmail, reported the New York Times in 2016. In 2025, a main man was sentenced to 30 to 60 years in prison for producing videos. Forgive me, this is disturbing. Of children being raped and distributing the videos in a kick chat room. On top of this, among his past Reddit posts that have become controversial, there was one in 2017 in which he said he had to jerk off every time I sit in a quote Porta Shitter. That whole thing is a quote. Nice. I mean, first of all, who does that and who. Second of all, who posts that? It's just. And I don't want to hear ptsd, frankly. I really don't. I know a lot of vets. I know so many vets, and I've interviewed countless vets, and they're not, you know, it doesn't say, make you perverted. That's. That's not a thing where you become just a pervert. You're jerking off every time you're in a porta Potty and you're on inappropriate websites where children like to go, what the f is that? Don't shame your fellow veterans by trying to chalk that up to ptsd. And here's another one where he described graffiti of a penis as, quote, beautiful and then, quote, engorged and veiny and moving, quote, towards its penetrative glory. I'm sorry, there's something off with this guy. This is the stuff that would stop me if I were a Democrat who really wanted control of the Senate, I'd say, no. It's a no. I do have some standards. He's disgusting. I'm deeply disturbed and I know I need to know exactly how far he's gone online, when and with whom.
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Megyn Kelly
The kick stuff is weird. I have no idea what Kik is by that description. It seems like a place that has a reputation for being just overtly, not even just with children, but like, very, very sexual. So was there overlap between his relationship with his now wife and his time on Kik? My understanding is that the campaign has said that this was his kick profile and also just hasn't he deleted the app from his phone long ago. It hasn't been active in a really long time. So there's of course a question about that timeline and why he seems to have been spending so much time on the Internet, even just like, talking about sexual stuff. I mean, he talked about everything. He talked about politics, talked about drugs. He talked about all kinds of weird stuff on Reddit over the years. So I just. He was clearly spending a lot of time online. And I think one of the questions, Megan, is, did in 2017, when he says he started getting help from the VA, did that really, like, is. Is he like. Let's just say, like. I think a lot of people have enormous amount of grace for people who served for combat tours. But is he better? Honestly, is he. Is he well enough to be in the Senate? Is this. Would he still be if he weren't running for Senate, Would he be spending time posting now, cheating on his wife now? Like, I don't know. It's. It's a bad pattern and it's not that. That far in the past. I do think a lot of voters are just going to say screw it because they want to get Susan Collins out of there. But at the same time, probably other people, you can just not vote. Also, like, for some people, they may just say, all right, I'm out. I don't have a clear dog in this fight because I don't know that he's great. And I also don't want to vote for that. So you could see that going different ways, especially if there's more to come between now and November.
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Emily Jashinsky
Well, if you're a Democrat in Maine or nationwide, especially if you're in leadership, don't you want to get to the bottom of this before next Tuesday? You'd think, I mean, what if there really is something on there that's absolutely devastating that would make everyone run away from him? And don't forget, on the other side of him is not Ken Paxton. On the other side of him is gonna be Susan Collins, who's totally palatable for most Mainers. That's why they've reelected her term after term after terminal. Like, she's not so far right that she's totally alienating to people who are liberal in Maine, obviously. So, like, if there's another shoe to drop here, I would imagine if you're on Team Blue, you want it to drop right now when you could potentially get that main governor back in this race and she's going to be on the ballot because she dropped out so late anyway and maybe try to drive the vote to her.
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Megyn Kelly
I wonder if that's actually why this went into the Wall Street Journal and the New York Times when it did, Megan? Because the Janet Mills people, and Janet Mills, by the way, had the support of Chuck Schumer, had lots of money coming and endorsements from prominent national Democrats, which after she dropped out, I mean, they thought for sure the Nazi stuff would cook Platner, but he got the tattoo covered up and he said, didn't know.
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Emily Jashinsky
They never get tired of that trick.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And they thought it was gonna work. They thought it was gonna be smooth sailing for Janet Mills, who is a terrible candidate, by the way. Yes, she's the sitting governor, but she is just a terrible candidate for the position.
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Emily Jashinsky
Susan Collins is no good either. She keeps winning.
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Megyn Kelly
But Susie Konz is a great retail politician. Like, like that woman is at every opening. Like she is all over the state. She's brought a lot of money back to the state by being in the Senate over the years. And she can talk to. She knows everybody in the state from the sort of main political folks that I know. She's just excellent. That's why she's been able to last so long, because she, she travels the whole state, talks to everyone. So that could be a real problem for Platner, too. There's just a lot of built in goodwill for Susan Collins around the state of Maine. That's why they thought they had Sarah Gideon. And last time they tried to get rid of Susan Collins, they thought they had it. They put so much money in this race. They thought they had a great candidate. Fell flat, didn't work. Polls were wrong, too. So it's a. It's a tough race. You're right. It's not like Ken Paxton on the other side of it. And I think that does kind of change the dynamic a bit. But maybe that's why this was dropping to the Times and the Wall Street Journal. Is that the source? I think Genevieve McDonald, the former campaign manager, was getting pressure, maybe pressure from herself, too, to try and spoil the primary at the last minute and get Mills back into the race. I don't think MIL gives them a better chance of beating Susan Collins, no matter what is to come on Graham Platner, assuming it's not like horrible child abuse. But other than that, I think he's still probably a better candidate. We'll see what happens, though, because I guess she could. She's on the battle.
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Emily Jashinsky
Not horrible child abuse, obviously, that would do anybody in, but if he had any sort of meaningful interaction with somebody who was underage, he. He's toast.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, I agree.
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Emily Jashinsky
He's toast. And I do wonder whether there's something that somebody knows that's being withheld. I don't know. But, like, a lot of this stuff is traceable on these social media websites. We'll find out. He said he was asked. He got the Lulu Garcia Navarro treatment at the New York Times. Well, I'll just play it. This is two weeks ago, SOT 3. But the GOP is going to dig up everything and more that they can. Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And probably lie at some point.
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Emily Jashinsky
Is there something new you want to get ahead of?
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Megyn Kelly
No, I mean, like, we've.
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Emily Jashinsky
I've been.
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Megyn Kelly
I've lived my life like I've been there for the whole thing. And it's. And because of that, like, I mean,
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Emily Jashinsky
I know what I've been through.
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Megyn Kelly
I know what I've. I know what my behavior has been.
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Emily Jashinsky
I know all of it.
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Megyn Kelly
And the. I mean, there's a reason that even
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Emily Jashinsky
after however many months.
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Megyn Kelly
That was October when they dropped the opposition research stuff on us. And the whole time there was always
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Emily Jashinsky
this like, oh, there's more coming.
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Megyn Kelly
I was like, I don't know, like, what this more is going to be.
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Emily Jashinsky
So those are more lies. Because when he said that, he knew that he had been sexting with 6:12, a baker's dozen. I don't know. Number of women, not his wife, life with sexually explicit messages. He knew. So he was lying there. And for what it's worth, though, he's Saying nothing, nothing is coming. That turned out not to be true because we have this scandal. Let's see whether there's something more. Like to think that if he were communicating in any way with somebody underage, again, zero evidence of that. Just his presence on kick, which could have been just about women and explicit chats. I don't know know that he wouldn't have said something so explicit. I do want to point out though that his campaign threatened this Genevieve McDonald in, you know, a pretty offensive way. Uh, this guy, Morris Katz, who was with Mamdani, who's now a platinum campaign strategist. He first, he's tweeted out, it's no one's fucking business what happened in Graham and Amy's marriage before he was ever a candidate for officers office again, before he was a candidate for office. This is the new Democrat standard. Oh, what, like does it have to be during the candidacy? Is that now what limits the scandal? They have to be doing it while they're actually running? I don't think so. But this guy is the one who allegedly threatened Genevieve, the former campaign manager, and she said that he wrote a message to her as follows. Just want to be clear before these stories broke on where we are right now. If the story goes in its current iteration. This is for the Wall Street Journal piece, which was first, we'll communicate directly on the record and by name that Genevieve violated the personal trust of Amy and Graham and shared explicit falsehoods to sabotage the campaign. She said in her post. That's when I called the New York Times and offered to go on the record. So that backfired mightily and now we're reduced to these two calling it gossip and her saying, I don't want a perfect marriage, I want my marriage. Well, pardon the rest of us if we want nothing to do with your marriage. That's the last thing I want for my marriage. And I don't think it's exactly an example. You know, barely married and sexting six to 12 others, and then everyone's in therapy for God knows how long. It's not great. Okay, okay. Moving on the other big races. So that race is going to be. Well, the, the Democrat primary comes up a week from tomorrow in Maine, but tomorrow is the big California vote at the gubernatorial level and at the mayoral level. And that's also got a lot of interesting stuff going on in Steve Hilton, who's been in the lead oftentimes by a lot. But then it started to narrow and now he's lost the lead. Becerra is ahead by a couple of points. It's not a huge, you know, advance, but he's ahead now by a couple of points. And in two is the vile, loathsome Tom Steyer, only one point ahead of Steve Hilton. But Steve Hilton, now we reported this on AM Update, is now begging Republicans in California to not split the GOP vote because Chad Bianco is now in, I think fifth or sixth. He's like, please, with no offense to Chad, you've got to vote for me because we can't. We could now be looking at those two Democrats in the runoff with no Republican choice. Your thoughts?
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, they're on the cusp of something very exciting in California and it will be disillusioning if he doesn't cross into the runoff tomorrow because again, there's so many people in California, Democrats, independents, who just want something that is not from the left right now in California because even the like anti establishment left has run cities like Los Angeles into the ground. Karen Bass, not considered to be like the most establishment Hillary Clinton type politician. They've seen this over and over again throughout their state. Gavin Newsom tries to act like he's Mr. Progressive. Well, look at the record in California for, for Gavin Newsom. And so there's just so many people who are tired of it. They want something new. It's, it's kind of like what we've been talking about the whole show. They're just, they're desperate. They might be Democrats who don't like that. Spencer Pratt maybe is, you know, whatever he thinks about abortion. Right. They might think it's, it's maga or with Steve Hilton, they might think he's maga, although I think he's handled those questions pretty well. But at this point, they're willing to try something different. And it is going to be disillusioning if Steyer, of all people, billionaire Tom Steyer is the one who snatches it away from Steve Hilton at the last moment.
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Emily Jashinsky
Oh, it's so gross on every level. I have a lot more to say on Steyer and we are doing our deep dive into Jon Hamm. But we've got to talk about both of these. The mayoral race out there and the gubernatorial race because the People's Republic of California has suffered enough. I cannot believe that the woman who allowed their city to burn is currently in the top position for Los Angeles mayor. Re election. Cannot believe it. Stand by. EJ Stays with us for the show. Right back in the U.S. a break in happens every 26 seconds. Most systems only alert you after an intruder is inside and by then the damage is done. But there's Simplisafe with their new outdoor camera series 2 and advanced AI. SimpliSafe does not just watch, it actually will act if a threat is detected. U S based live agents can intervene to deter intruders before they cross the threshold. Going on vacation? You can check your feed and know that professionals are monitoring your home. Plus the setup is a breeze. Get your system running in under 30 minutes. No long term contracts. Simply Safe earns your business every day rather than locking you into a trap. It's an elite protection unit that will fly fit your life, not the other way around. Simplisafe has an exclusive discount for you right now. You can get 50 off your new system by visiting simplisafe.com Megan that's half off at S I M p l I safe.com Megan There is no safe like Simplisafe.
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Megyn Kelly
straight decision on who you support.
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Emily Jashinsky
Most people support you 90% of the time, just not the 10% you need them for. If we're going to be on side, then we're on side 100% of the time.
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Megyn Kelly
I've been outed like so many times over and over.
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Emily Jashinsky
You know, docs where I go to school, so I feel like more safety aspect and not just supporting, but protecting. Protecting, protection. I totally agree. I was saying in this town hall, it's the job of the governor to stand between danger and Californians.
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Megyn Kelly
And I mean it.
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Emily Jashinsky
And to make sure that people are safe and to protect them from all the malign influences in this world. And I take that super, super, super seriously for you, just so you know. And I'm so proud of you for what you're doing. Thank you. So proud of you for succeeding. So proud of you for competing. Competing. That's really the point. And I'm gonna hope like heck that you don't just make state, but you do really well there. Okay? So it's his job to put himself between danger and California's. What about the little girls? What about the danger? Why isn't he standing between that danger and the little girls of California? Don't they count? Don't they matter? Tom Steyer, do you give two shits about the girls who are actually being hurt? Honestly, again, track and fields is not one of those sports because they don't actually have to be touching one another. They run, they, they jump, they jump high, they jump long. Um, but girls in field hockey, in soccer, in volleyball, in basketball are being hurt on the regular. And he doesn't care. He's not, he's not willing to put himself through between that danger and those experiencing it. In fact, he's willing to help cause it. Shame on this guy. And then, Emily, he says the job of the governor is to protect against all of the malign influences in the world. No, it isn't. What are you saying? I don't want my elected official to think that's his job. There are certain identifiable dangers that an elected politician depending on the office, is responsible for. For, I. E. The border. If you are president, that's real. Okay. And President Trump actually did issue some executive orders to protect young girls from this danger caused by athletes like A.B. hernandez. That's appropriate. But what. Who wants to elect a politician who thinks it's his? It's his remit to protect all California's against all of the malign influences in the world. That is such a Democrat way of thinking. Everything is government's problem. Everything is in government's hands. And that's why you have to be taxed up to your eyeballs and give it all to the Tom Stiers of the world, including the billionaires who have not given enough, even though they've spent more on taxes than the rest of us combined, they need to spend more. They have to give it to Tom Steyer because he's busy protecting us from the most malign influences in the world all the time. All, all of this is just a tell that we are dealing with a radically left man.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, he wants to be your daddy as governor of California. But this is the tragedy of California is the state that used to be the frontier, the American frontier where people could self actualize and go and have an amazing middle class life. The beginning of LA Confidential makes me so sad. Like this is a very weird reference, but if you're watching the beginning of the film, there's all of these like reels of how California used to be depicted in the mid century period. And it makes you so sad to look at what California was, what it symbolized to the country. And now it actually is full of a lot of people, I think, Megan, your point is correct, who are attracted to what Tom Steyer is saying. Because we saw what happened during COVID in California. There were people who wanted the governor to be their daddy, who wanted their local mayors to be their daddy. Like they wanted security over freedom. And that is so the opposite of what California used to symbolize in the United States. What it meant culturally to us, how it was politically. It is the exact opposite. But I think that's probably why to some extent this is working. Because Meghan, I don't know about you, I think Tom Starry is one of the few Americans who believes what he's saying. Like I think he genuinely believes that these athletes should be able to compete with girls. And I think he is of the minority. He's so far left and progressive on this question. He genuinely believes what he's saying. And there's something when you're in a tight race that's being pulled in multiple different directions with failed politicians like Javier Becerra, who lost so many migrant children under the Biden administration, under his purview when he was serving in the Biden administration. People look at the failed politicians in the race and they say, well, this Tom Star guy, he shares my cultural beliefs. He's going to protect us, protect California from the mean Republicans who want to do us harm. And I want somebody to come in and make me feel safer in all of these different ways as governor that aren't typically seen as like government duty. Right. Like physically safer. In certain cases, like the baseline in California, you should be physically safe walking down the streets of Los Angeles, right? Like, you should be safe from, like, some of these fundamental duties of the government, which is to keep mentally ill people off the streets. Help them get treatment. Help them get treatment. This is what Steve Hilton and Spencer Pratt talk about. Protect them. Protect them from themselves. Protect other people from. From where that is going to go. But he wants to run the country or he wants to run the state in the opposite direction. And it's all just. And it's. It's oddly in the name of, like, personal freedom. It's this bastardization on the left, right? Like, they don't want people to have the sort of basic freedoms, like second amendment rights and the like. But then when it comes to the personal freedom to be on the street and camping in unsafe conditions for yourself, let alone others, that personal freedom they're good with. And it's the tragedy of California. I think you see it in one candidate here. I mean, in much of the candidates, but he's really crystallizing it.
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Emily Jashinsky
You are so right. I remember talking to Charlie Sheen and reading his book about the California he grew up in when he was a kid in the 70s. Martin Sheen was his dad and, of course, famous. But he used to talk about exactly what you're describing and how it wasn't this, like, hard, leftist, weird place. It was just a beautiful, gorgeous, big desert desert with relatively mild temperatures that you could raise your family on and not be bothered. And it also reminds me of California and Governor Reagan. Governor Reagan before he became president. Reagan in his famous. The. The scariest nine words in the English language. I'm from the government, and I'm here to help. Right, that nobody. Nobody ever wants to hear. And this is exactly the opposite of that. That now this guy wants Ronald Reagan's job and. And God help us, it's possible he could get it at the mayoral level. They actually might elect the woman who let their city burn. It's amazing. She fell down on the job so many ways. I mean, they're seriously thinking about letting Gavin Newsom, like, get the Democratic nomination. I'm sure there are a lot of Californians who would like it. Bill Maher is one of them. And letting Karen Bass stay in this office after she burned down half their city. No, she didn't light the match, but she helped create the conditions that created a tinderbox in the Pacific Palisades and beyond. And there she's leading. She's leading right now in the reelection battle, Emily.
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Megyn Kelly
And I mean, granted, the vote is split between her and Nithya Raman. But Nithya Raman's purview on city council has been dealing with homelessness in Los Angeles, which is one of the reasons that Spencer Pratt is surging. And so when you're faced with these options, this is what happens in deep blue and deep red states. The party is so entrenched because there's so little competition that you end up with like the worst possible candidates. No great offense to Ken Paxton and John Cornyn, but I think you said something similar in Texas. Like it happens when you have one party that is really firmly in control of states. It's so hard to veer away from this pattern of failure because all of the candidates are part of the pattern of failure. And I think that might be working to Tom Steyer's advantage because even though he is a part of the left wing establishment, just because he comes to the business community, I mean, that man has been intertwined with the NGO world and the Democratic Party now for many years. But I think that's partially why he probably is surging. He doesn't represent like the Biden administration, like Javier Becerra, who you covered him coming into that local news interview with such a sense of entitlement. Oh, this is going to be a nice profile. Right? That's how it is. When you have these states and that are so deeply in one party or the other, it's so hard to get out of the vicious cycle. And that's why it's going to be very disillusioning if I think two of the people best chances for not Republicans, but independents to just try and break the cycle. Even if you don't agree with Pratt and Hilton on 100% of things like this is what scares California Democrats into being better, is having a little bit of competition. And it's not going to work if you have Karen Bass and then like Tom Steyer, Javier Becerra stepping into these roles. It's not going to work.
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Emily Jashinsky
Can you imagine if it's those two who advance if Steve Hilton doesn't even make the runoff off for governor and you've got those two other losers vying for the top job. And what if, you know, what if at the, at the mayoral level, it's not Spencer Pratt? What if these other two, what if Karen basket's over 50%? I don't think so unless Nithya Rahman drops out. But you've got 60 plus percent of the vote ready to side with the Democrats. As much as we'd like to believe that Spencer Pratt has momentum, you know he's in a three way tie right now. Like that sounds exciting for a Republican. That means, means two thirds are with the Democrats there. Not to be a buzz kill. I'm just looking at the numbers. It's like it's Lucy with the football, you know, it's like there are these people in LA actually going to vote for Spencer Pratt. I mean, I hope so. I'd love for him to just pull a rabbit out of a hat. But there's a reason, reason California got into the mess it's in. And it's because of very, very bad voting choices. Okay, keeping the, keeping going. Dr. Jill, she's out there. I love this woman. I'm like, you go girl. You should have your say. Blow it up. Blow it. Take the grenade and throw the shit right in the middle of that. Why should we, over on Team Sanity, have all the problems? Like, we got enough issues of our own. By the way, the Iran deal has completely fallen apart. The ceasefire may be off. That's been blown to smithereens. Israel continued to bomb Lebanon. Qatar is involved. It's, it's a fucking mess. And I don't think it's got any chance of ending soon, unfortunately. And also Exxon just said gas prices are looking like they're going to go up to 150 to $160 per barrel in the coming weeks. They're now in the 90s, so that's terrible. This is a nightmare politically and otherwise. We have our own problems over here on the right, center right and independent right as I am. So I'm fine with Dr. Jill throwing a little hornet's nest over into our leftist friends camp. She has decided that now would be a great time to revive the debate over whether Joe Biden's mental health was perfect while he was running for president. And I am here for it. She's also not happy. She's not being shown the respect she thinks she deserves on this book rollout, which it's supposed to be about her, her and not just Joe Biden. Let me start with that one. Just because it's fun. And this is angry Jill Biden, who's giving Gayle King vibes of I'm inspirational Craig Melvin, whether you know it or not, I'm an inspiration. Watch. And I think we have to point out, Craig, like that's one chapter of my book. My book is not about politics. It's about me, my reflections, my life, my life as a teacher, my life as the first working lady. You know, first lady. I mean, I went to work.
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Megyn Kelly
I taught at a community college.
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Emily Jashinsky
I took a paycheck. I wanted to say to American women, look at me. I am like you are.
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Megyn Kelly
Look at me. I, too, can have a private car drive me to the suburbs and teach.
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Emily Jashinsky
Can you believe she said, I think that shows her panic. Because I'll show you the earlier questions, which are all about the nonsense in the chapter about Joe Biden and, you know, his mental deterioration, the debate and all that. But, like, that's her in a panic. Like, this is supposed to be about me. She's basically saying, my booker. And your booker agreed you were going to talk to about me. And what an inspiration I am. Where's that Craig? And he kept calling her Dr. Jill. This fake obsequiousness. It wasn't even real obsequiousness. It was like he knew he had to do it. Just like the price of admission. And having her sit there, it's so painful. And then here is some more on how it went when it came to her covers for Joe Biden, on how well he allegedly did at the debate. Remember, after the debate, she told us all, like, oh, he was impressive. He knew all the answers she thought he was having.
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Megyn Kelly
She answered every question. Meghan. Yeah. How dare you.
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Emily Jashinsky
She's such a good boy. It's like. It's like my Strudwick. When I say sit, he sits. When I say shake, he shakes. He's a good boy. Okay, here's SOT 14 to start with.
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Megyn Kelly
How do you square, thinking that he may have had a stroke with what you were saying in the days and weeks after? How do you square those?
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Emily Jashinsky
Well, look, Craig, look at it from my point of view. So I'm watching just like everybody else was scared to death. Like, what is going on? He gets off the stage. I see he appears to be okay. He says to me, jill, I really. In other words, messed up, didn't I? And I said, yes, you did. And so we get off, and I
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Megyn Kelly
know we're going into another event or we have two more to do.
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Emily Jashinsky
And my mind is racing. What do I say to him? What do I say to him? I'm his wife.
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Megyn Kelly
I've got to lift him up.
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Emily Jashinsky
So we go to the next event. And I'm thinking, what do I say that will lift him up? That is true.
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Megyn Kelly
I want to say the things that are true.
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Emily Jashinsky
And so I said, you know, you answered every question. My mind's racing. You know, that's a pretty low bar. Well. And so, you know, I had to sort of lift him up. I mean, I'm his wife.
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Megyn Kelly
I'm not going to get out on
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Emily Jashinsky
the stage there and say, joe, you really screwed that up. I had to support him.
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Megyn Kelly
I couldn't come out.
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Emily Jashinsky
And I mean really publicly say, joe, you did a terrible job in that debate. That is so horrific. She bullied every member of the Democrat Party who was even mildly critical of him on the mental health question both before and after the debate. Look, all the news from then, that day to this has been about how bitter Jill and Joe are that he was forced out of the campaign after that, how the indignity of it, how unfair they thought it was. And now she admits the whole reason she said you answered every question is because it was the only true statement she could think of to say to him after what she recognized was a disaster. The nerve of her to bully everyone and now admit she totally shared their viewpoint. And the reason we saw her speaking to him like he was a toddler is because it was the only thing she could think of to say that would. That was factually true.
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Megyn Kelly
This. This woman is in such an incredible bubble. And I think part of this is that you have people like Joe Scarborough meeting with Biden before the debate. Debate, long before the debate, actually coming back and saying, this is the best Joe Biden that I've ever seen. You had the media being successfully bullied by the White House into basically dropping the story about whether or not Joe Biden was, like, ailing and having serious cognitive decline in front of everyone's face. And Joe Biden got used to that from the media. And I think she is a little bit taken aback by the questions that she's getting on this, what was supposed to be clearly a very soft and warm PR tour for her book. But of course, her book does deal with her role, though. It's not, you know, an admission of any guilt, but it deals with her role in what has to be considered one of the biggest scandals in presidential history here in the United States, which is that you had a president who was declining in front of everybody's eyes. You had the media barely willing to touch the story and everyone around him denying it. And to me, when I look at Joe Biden, I just see such an example of the people that Joe Biden has surrounded himself with over the course of his life. His family, his. His son Hunter, obviously, Jill. They were living for most of Joe Biden's career, pretty normal lives. Joe Biden didn't cash out, go into lobbying or anything like that. And I think it made them deeply Resentful of the. The way that they lived. Like, they want to be rich. They want to be comfortable. And they've always had to have, like, Frank and Valor and James off stage, coming up with money and lobbying, peddling the influence. Hunter and then putting it all back into the family in one way or the other, instead of just like being able to live comfortably and sort of bask in the glow of Joe Biden's career and be wealthy. And I think that's how desperate they are to be rich. Is that she is now selling a book without any. I mean, I think she has some knowledge that people have turned on the Biden family have turned on her, but I don't think she understood how deep it was. And she was still willing. Willing to go out there and sell this. Cause she thought maybe it would be okay. Her husband is literally. I mean, I'm sorry, but he's probably in the process of dying right now because he has stage four bone.
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Emily Jashinsky
That's what they tell us.
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Megyn Kelly
And Hunter has said. Hunter went on Soft White Underbelly last week and talked about the fact that it is very hard for his dad right now. He has trouble sleeping and everything like that, which we would expect. And his wife's up in New York trying to sell this book by saying that he like spilling inside details about when he had probably the most embarrassing moment of his entire life. And. And he's willing to let it happen, apparently, because he wants them to be okay when he's gone. He wants them to have money. And I think that's what this is about at the end of the day.
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Emily Jashinsky
Exactly. So she wouldn't pile on him the night of the debate, but she's fine piling on him now that we know he has stage four bone.
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Megyn Kelly
Fish for profit.
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Emily Jashinsky
Now would be a much better time to hurt the husband. And here is speaking of hurting the husband. Listen to this. I listened to the Today show interview, and this was the part that struck me as the most galling. More galling than. I'm a role model. People should respect me. This interview should be about me because I'm a role model again. Giving Gayle King. Have you been vibes more than that? Listen to SOT 14B. If you could go back in a time machine and do it all over
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Megyn Kelly
again, would you have encouraged him maybe to not run again?
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Emily Jashinsky
You know, as I look back, would
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Megyn Kelly
I. I want to put Joe through
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Emily Jashinsky
the hurt and the pain that we
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Megyn Kelly
felt during that time.
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Emily Jashinsky
Never.
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Megyn Kelly
Never.
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Emily Jashinsky
I mean, it was so hurtful. And so it sounds like you're saying if you could do it all over
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Megyn Kelly
again, you probably would have encouraged him to be a one term president.
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Emily Jashinsky
But it had to be his decision, Craig. The pain he went through. Honestly, I'm not a Democrat. I was never voting for Joe Biden in. But if I were, I think I'd be feeling rage throughout my entire body. The pain he went through as a result of him choosing to run again and then getting embarrassed, embarrassing himself on the national stage and getting forced out. The Democrat Party is apoplectic right now over the fact that Donald Trump is president and they hate everything he's doing. And it's because of Joe Biden. Biden. I mean, like, there's no question those two things are intimately linked. Not only his implosion on the debate stage and the way he was, but of course the lawfare. All the shit that Joe Biden unleashed against Trump to make him a more sympathetic figure, to make people a backlash against Joe Biden, to teach the Democrats a lesson about unfair lawfare. And then on top of it, putting an infirm man out there. And the media establishment, the Democrat establishment try to tell me not to all of us, not to believe our lying eyes, right? And now to say she feels sorry for Joe about what that did to him. And by the way, she's the one who made him do it. Remember, she was infamously at that dinner where she announced that he's running again to the shock of his campaign aids who were there. Like, what? Like, she's. I don't. She's as bad as he is. She's as bad as Hunter, as much of a grifter. She's all the things we suspected she was when we saw her Weekend at Bernie's, him into the second run, and here she's inadvertently confirming it all.
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Megyn Kelly
I think she actually is significantly worse than her husband because I think we all now at this point understand that Joe Biden probably was not lucid enough to be consciously making all of these decisions. I'm like, that's a really upsetting thing to say, just as an American, that your president probably wasn't capable of making these decisions independently, was probably very reliant on what he was hearing from other people because he was losing his grasp, his, his complete grasp on reality, which is something that we saw every day in front of our own eyes, or at least the days that he was willing to go in front of cameras. So if I were just. There was a really interesting conversation on Pod Save America. The Obama guys who now podcast, they were talking about how it was so interesting. They were like, people don't understand how the Biden cognitive decline scandal is affecting people's perceptions of Democrats around the country. They were like, narrowly, are people going to go to the polls and vote on whether or not somebody was covering up the Biden decline? No, but every single Democratic candidate and many pundits who are supporting Democratic candidates now have to climb themselves out of this deep hole. Just in terms of, like, people's general vibe about whether or not they're trustworthy and national Democrats, Democrats have no. Seem to have no idea how much of that goes directly back to them going on camera over and over again over the course of honestly five years. Because they did the same thing during the primary with Joe Biden saying he is fine, which got worse and worse with every single year. And so they are infuriated. But you know who should be mad is people like Janet Mills, who had to drop out of the main race because nobody trusts the Democratic establishment anymore. It goes directly back to the trust deficit that a lot of Democrats come just naturally to every single race right now. It's not always just Joe Biden. It's also voting for terrible things, inflation and all of that. Yes, the border, yes. But this is such a big part of it, too, and they can't escape it right now in a midterm cycle.
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Emily Jashinsky
When Jill Biden decided to sell a
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Megyn Kelly
damn book in the middle of a midterm cycle, like, it's unbelievable.
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Emily Jashinsky
Amazing, the selfishness. Remember Dean Phillips who ran and tried to say he was like, this modern, moderate, nice Democrat who was like, respectfully, I think Joe Biden's like, not in any condition to do a second term. They killed him. They absolutely crushed that guy. Adam Smith, not to be confused with Adam Schiff. He's a republic or a Democrat congressman from. From Washington State. He came on our show and he said the truth about Joe Biden's mental infirmity and he was never heard from again. Like, I just saw him actually out there giving an interview in response to this book. But, like, he's certainly not a Democrat favorite. Those Bidens ruined people. Ruined people. Or. And certainly at least tried who had the temerity to say anything about him. And now she wants us to feel sorry for Joe Biden for running again. We don't. Fuck off. Wait, I want to show you one other thing. Yeah, you go.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, I was gonna say I'm glad that, like, the pod Save guys are saying what they're saying now, because it's just better for all of them us to be honest about this. But at the same time, part of the reason people are now willing to turn on Biden, including the media and the Bidens, is because the Bidens are now have no hope of getting back into any position of power. The family is powerless. They can't pedal their influence because it means nothing. And so the media has no reason to be nice to them, has no reason to be like going in with kid gloves. And that's what this all is about.
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Emily Jashinsky
I don't know what she thought was going to happen. I really don't. She didn't think it through me, all that education become an actual doctor. She, she didn't study what she needed to learn. Here's one more. So there's the person who interviewed Jill Biden for CBS Sunday MORNINGS is named Rita Braver. And Rita Braver is the one who was responsible for the the original clip where she was like, I thought he was having a stroke. That made the rounds last Friday and did not ask any follow ups. Like, how can you say that? You, you ran around shaming people for criticizing him after the debate. You tried to make him stay in the race. He had to be forced out by George Clooney and the New York Times and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer. What do you mean you thought he was having a stroke? That's not how at all how you behave that not one follow up by Rita Braver in a massive journalistic fail. And yet another example of why CBS is doing very poorly right now in the ratings across the board. Well, we went back and looked at the whole interview because it didn't air until this Sunday. And I just want to give you a feel for the very, very tough interview that rita Braver gave Dr. Jill Biden. Look at these questions. So is it a big change? You know, you're in the White House and you're living kind of a quiet life in Delaware.
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Megyn Kelly
Was there any foreign trip that you just loved? You traveled the country trying to make sure that people got vaccinated, for example. Right. You're a little bit tense when it
- [82:01]
Emily Jashinsky
comes to his health, huh? When he was considering not running, you
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Megyn Kelly
said, I don't want you to have. Why did you say that? Did you ever think of changing the
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Emily Jashinsky
title after the East Wing was destroyed?
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Megyn Kelly
Your family was all around you in the White House. Right. In the book, you don't mention President Trump's name except for one time.
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Emily Jashinsky
I have to think that was done on purpose. Tell us about that.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, why was it hard to Be first lady. Well, you went all out to get Vice President Hannah Harris elected. When you think about the country now,
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Emily Jashinsky
what do you think of the direction
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Megyn Kelly
this country is going in now?
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Emily Jashinsky
She had to check her notes for that. That last one she had to check her notes for. When you think about the country now, look down. What do you think about the direction it's going in? Rita, it's time to hang it up. Sorry. Sorry, girl. It's time to hang it up. It's not an age thing. Leslie Stahl is 86. I think she's still crushing it. She's like doing fine. She can still. She's not my cup of tea. I'm just saying, like, she's out there, she's doing journalism and she's still doing big interviews. Rita, not it. It's time. I don't know if Rita was ever good. I've got to be honest. And I've never heard of Rita before. I'm not, I'm not a big Sunday Mornings watcher. But that was such a fail on every level. Can you. That's why she didn't ask any follow up questions. Because clearly there was a deal to give her a soft ball massage interview. And she's so programmed to do that that even when Jill Biden is making massive news saying she thought Joe Biden was having a stroke at the debate, she's been telling us all, he crushed. She couldn't follow up. She couldn't deviate off of her list of softball questions. What an embarrassment.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, when Craig Melvin is doing better journalistic interviews than somebody who gets the first sit down. It's a sad statement. I don't know, Megan. I'm watching this and I'm thinking, you may know more about this than I do, but at these big networks, women of a certain age see themselves as. Because they're all center left feminists see themselves in solidarity with other women who have like been through hardships, who are also from the center left. And so she may be one of the few people in America that has any real empathy remaining from front for Jill Biden. It may have been a deal with the publisher. They want to keep getting access to the publisher. I don't know. But to me, I read that as her genuinely feeling deep empathy and almost like sistership with Jill Biden, which is hilarious and pathetic. And it's why these networks are dinosaurs, because they still have some of these people in top interviewing positions who suck because they're so used to doing the back patting interviews that maybe flew 30 years ago. But nobody, nobody. Institutional trust is so low in the country right now that nobody has any appetite for this bullshit anymore.
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Emily Jashinsky
It's so crazy. And by the way, she would have done Jill Biden a favor if she had asked a couple of follow ups to get her to explain. Like how can you say that when you are on record as having defended him after that debate? Like what, you're doing her a favor when you're asking her the question that everyone wants answered as opposed to just, you know, being stuck in your kiss ass questions because that's what you agreed to be at CBS Sunday mornings. That's. I'm so embarrassed for her. Leslie Stahl is 84, not 86. But the point stands. She's well into her 80s and she's still asking tough questions. Unfortunately for the rest of us, they're all of Republicans. My point is simply she knows how to do a challenging interview. Unlike Rita. Rita, sister, I'm sorry, but it, it didn't work out. Speaking of cbs, there is breaking news about CBS right now and it is from Dylan Byers, who writes now for Puck News. And he has just gotten a scoop about the new executive producer of 60 Minutes, who's a guy named Nick Bilton, who's done kind of nothing, not kind of nothing in tv. I don't think he's done anything in tv, much like his boss, Bari Weiss, who has zero television experience. Zero nothing when it comes to TV news. And because they like Barry's stance on, I guess, I don't know, Israel and Woke issues, because the Ellisons align with her on that, they hired her and put her in charge of CBS News.
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Megyn Kelly
And unfortunately, don't forget low taxes, Megan as obviously.
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Emily Jashinsky
Yeah. And low taxes. Right. So obviously what they're learning the hard way is that when it comes to broadcast journalism, the broadcast piece of it actually does mean something. And having some experience would be highly relevant and helpful. But they're learning the hard way that having zero experience, whether you are the editor in chief over there or the new head of 60 Minutes does matter. It will set you up to fail. And if you don't have it, guess what else, you won't be respected by the rank and file who actually do take pride in understanding how to do not just journalism journalism, but broadcast journalism, which involves a lot of other elements which they continue to get wrong under this new leadership. So she brings in somebody who's obviously some sort of a friend, this Nick Bilton. And he just held his first all hands meeting at 60 minutes this morning. And it did not go well. Scott Pelley, who's, I guess, the chief anchor over there, told this Nick Bilton that he has scant qualifications for the job job and pressed him to account for all the firings we saw from 60 Minutes last week of anyone who got under Barry Weiss's skin. Nick suggested the conversation would be better held in private. Scott Pelley countered that he would prefer to have the conversation in front of his 60 Minutes colleagues, for whom he clearly believed he was speaking, too. Nick Bilton told Scott, they're my colleagues, too. To which Scott Pelly replied, again, this is Dylan Byers reporting. To which Scott Pelley replied, that remains to be seen. Whoa. He says he'll have more tonight. And then there was another report from the Guardian moments ago that said, hold on, do I have it here? Yes. From the Guardian's Jeremy Barr, who reports that Scott Pelly then called out Barry Weiss in the meeting saying, and this is in quotes, she's murdering 60 Minutes. She does not love this place. She was brought in to kill it and is doing exactly that do now. Emily, I want to take you back to right after Barry was given this job and she and I were friendly and I said some nice things about her because I cared about Barry. And to be honest, I still care about Barry. She's been coming for me over the Israel thing, much like Ben Shapiro, not the courtesy of a text, even though I texted her, Nope, I'm other ized. I guess I'm not on her list of friends now. That's fine. So I'm now just gonna be really honest about what's happening at her in 60 minutes. It's her fault. What she's doing at CBS, which is failing, is her fault. And even when Barry and I were friendly and she got this role, though I wished her well and so on, I did say the truth to my audience, as I always do. And this was my reaction when I heard she got this job with zero broadcast news experience. Why would you go into mainstream media right now like it's dead, it's dying? It absolutely is on track for the iceberg. I just don't understand the allure, and I really don't understand the allure to go to a television network which is not Barry's background at all. And it for me, and I really love Barry and Nelly, too. I worry they're going to eat her alive because CBS is among the worst when it comes to being insular. Like, you have to be raised at CBS to be respected by the CBS people. It's happening it's happening right now. She's being eaten alive from within. She will not succeed in this position. It will not be held long term. And you can see it. They can fire Sharon Alfonsi or this one or that one. The entire organization is against her. She's got, like, three friends over there, most of whom are extremely pro Israel, who will speak up for her on that front. There's nothing wrong with being pro Israel, but I'm telling you, they're not inside cbs. And you've got to have more to you than that. You have to have something they respect and pro tip to the Ellisons. You also at CBS have to have been raised in television. You have to understand what's in the mind of a television correspondent, what makes a good television story, what works and what doesn't in a 60 Minutes piece, which, by the way, Mr. Ellison, is a visual art. Art. It's a visual presentation. She has no fucking background in this. They don't respect her and they never will. So she will be eaten alive. It's happening right now. It has absolutely no hope of succeeding. And, you know, I'm not sorry to be right, but I was in what
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Megyn Kelly
I said what your point about the culture at CBS is such an important one that if you've worked at these big networks before, you know that it's exactly as you described it. With CBS in particular, there's this, like, preciousness about the brand that makes this kind of difficult because Barry has the worst critics in so many cases. Like, if it is, there's good gatekeeping and there's bad gatekeeping. And what Scott Pelley is doing is honestly bad gatekeeping. Like, if her critics are Scott Pelley and Rita and the people who have run CBS into the ground, although it's now going further into the ground. If you're looking at ratings for evening news and such, that is not helpful. Right? Like, I don't have a lot of sympathy for Scott Pelley, who just doesn't want any the of this precious, precious product which the American people are increasingly rejecting, to have a little bit of fresh air. And this, the Bilton hire is very interesting because my understanding is he comes from New York Times documentaries. That is kind of what the sweet spot for 60 minutes should be. And that what you air on broadcast should be able to double on YouTube and be a really good ad generator for people in or for these networks. Now, they're always going to have to cut overhead. You're never gonna be able to have Stephen Colbert with 200 staffers for a prime time, like late night. I'm sorry, late night comedy show. And that's going to apply across.
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Emily Jashinsky
Nor should you. No, nor should Stephen Colbert.
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Megyn Kelly
It's crazy. It's crazy. And you can't support that. But you can probably be profitable. Like Fallon does pretty well on Socials. That said, there, you should be working to find a new way to use all pieces of the news buffalo and all the different platforms that people are now on. So maybe it's an interesting hobby. But yes, like you, you have to be able to do both. And I understand why people like Scott Pelley feel like they can't do both. I also feel like the gatekeeping from Scott Pelley and Alfonsi and Rita and Leslie Stahl or whomever else is mad about some of this stuff. It's like you are the last people to have any credibility about what should be happening at this network. So it's that part of it.
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Emily Jashinsky
I mean, Scott Pelly is, is a prig and he's so annoying and he's so elitist. However, it doesn't matter what you and I think about Scott Pelley and his editorial judgment. What matters is inside of cbs. And unless they are prepared to get rid of everyone except for those three or four people who support Barry, everyone, and I mean on air and off, you know, behind the scenes, tech staff, producing staff, for sure, they're going to have to deal with this problem, which is she's not respected, she's loathed. And it's not because of any one thing. It's because she's not of them and she hasn't proven herself. She's not of television. She's been in journalism for about two minutes and not even in broadcast television. So it's just not going to work out. I'm sorry, but that's like, I'm telling you, you cannot stay in a position, in any position. I mean, the only reason she's like, they're like golden child. They've decided she's something. That's why they gave her $100 million for her organization, which was worth 1/10 that the free press. But like, literally, it's just their affinity for her as a person that's allowing her to stay in this role. Because CBS News has reached record low numbers in its morning show and its evening show. And now we're going after 60 minutes, which is the only thing they have left. Okay, so she's not succeeding by any measure. And on top of that, she's loathed. She does not have the support of the troops internally. So good luck with that, Ellison crew. Okay, in the time we have left, I guess we have to talk about James Talarico because he is now running for Senate in the state of Texas, and he will take on Ken Paxton. And there is a question. There are a lot of questions, a lot of questions about James Talarico. Does he eat meat or doesn't. He tweeted out the picture of him eating, like, the a side of ribs, but he already is on camera saying that he's vegan and that his campaign is vegan. And by the way, he was holding those ribs, like, trying to tear in them like a real meat eater eater. And he was holding them with a napkin. I like, he had a little napkin because he didn't want to get his girly little fingers dirty with the sauce on the barbecue. That is not how a real Texas man does it. Okay, so there's that. Now, I think in an effort to, like, show us that he really is a man, because there's a question. I mean, let's. Let's face it. We don't understand what we're dealing with there. He's really focused on the six sexes. And I. One has to wonder whether that. That's because he's one of the other four know about.
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Megyn Kelly
Trump called him transgender over the weekend.
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Emily Jashinsky
Yes, yes.
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Megyn Kelly
I'm just going to say the President, he.
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Emily Jashinsky
He's not always politically correct, but he does zero in on things. We're all kind of thinking he just. He's the only one who has the nerve to say it. So it turns out, on cue, James Tallarigo reveals he has a girlfriend. Okay, he has a girlfriend. Her name is George Glass. No, her name is. What's her name? Hold on. Where is she?
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Megyn Kelly
She's pretty.
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Emily Jashinsky
She's pretty. Yes. Brianna Menard. And Brianna Menard has. Apparently she Met him in 2022. Manga Bolt. Manga Bolt. Bat. Wait, no, no, no. Menard. Yeah, yeah, sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm confusing my two scandals here. So they met in 2022, and she was working on his campaign at the time, Emily. And then I guess she left the campaign and they made IT official in 2023, allegedly between them. And it was in 2023 that she dropped. By the way, she's a committed vegan, yoga buff and cat mom. Mom who likes dancing the night away at a local gay bar called Cheer Up Charlie's in Austin. The plot thickens.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, cat friendly. Cat friendly gay bar.
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Emily Jashinsky
What's happening? So she, in 2023, released the following is It a poem?
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, no.
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Emily Jashinsky
Oh, yeah, sorry. It was 2022 too, so as while she's working for his campaign. And maybe the relationship had started, so it's unclear whether it's directly about him. Let's just watch it together because we needed to see it. Let me kiss you endlessly like the breeze dancing around us in our timeless palace, our sanctuary of you and me tapping along and I don't want to slow down 1, 2, 1, 2. Count me in because I can't stay away I'm fighting tears watching you put the sunset to shame I'm stone on your smile A butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles Eternally lifted by your chemicals. Is this okay? The wine tastes better on your lips.
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Megyn Kelly
Hold my hand and tell me your secret how do you glow in the dark?
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Emily Jashinsky
Go play under the moon.
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Megyn Kelly
She'll keep it to herself while we
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Emily Jashinsky
come alive in her light. It's as if I bottled you up and drank you the way you warm me from the inside. I'm horrified.
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Megyn Kelly
I don't like it.
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Emily Jashinsky
Oh, my gosh, Emily. That's the girlfriend. Let me kiss you endlessly like the breeze dancing around us in our timeless palace Tapping along I don't wanna slow down Count me in because I can't stay away I'm stoned on your smile. A butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, I would like. Nobody should be writing that about Brad Pitt, let alone James Talarico.
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Emily Jashinsky
Ew.
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Megyn Kelly
It's disgusting. We need Joseph Massey for this. But I will say, Megan, I do. After party listeners know I. I unfortunately have a. A minor in creative writing with a concentration in poetry. And I will tell you, as an 18 year old, I had to sit through a whole lot of classes where people brought poems like this, but actually somehow better than this, and had to read them aloud to the class. And I could tell you that is like a C in freshman poetry where I. Where I come from. That's not an A. And she published that. She released it.
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Emily Jashinsky
A butterfly lost in a galaxy of freckles.
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Megyn Kelly
That's how we think of Glenn.
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Emily Jashinsky
Sternly lifted by your chemicals. What does that even mean? I don't even understand what that is.
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Megyn Kelly
Pheromones.
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Emily Jashinsky
Externally lifted by your chemicals. What? How do you glow in the dark? What is she telling us about him? I'm really curious. I've never seen him at night, so that's. Does that convince you that he's more of a manly man?
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, come on. The best Paxton nickname for him so far. Paxton needs to work on his delivery. But six gender Jimmy, that's pretty good because he's out right now lying about when he said he believes that there are more than at least there are six genders at least. And now he's saying of course there are only two. So we'll see what if he can really convince the public that he's not not off on weirdo island.
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Emily Jashinsky
If these two wind up together, I'm telling you right now they're off on the path toward marriage is hard. Being newly married is hard. Being newly married while running for office is really hard. Being this is I don't like the way the place it's going now listen we have to take a break and then after parties coming on but we did not get to Jon Hamm and Tom Steyer which we must do and we will do Next next. Paying 70, 80, $90 a month to Big Wireless for unlimited data is insanity. Especially when PureTalk is going to give you unlimited high speed data for just 34.99amonth. Unlimited high speed data at PureTalk used to start at 55 bucks a month, but because PureTalk is constantly pushing to give you more for less, you can now get unlimited high speed data for just under $35. So if you've looked at Pure Talk before and did not make the move, check again. And if you're wondering is Pure Talks network really as good as the overpriced Big Guys, try it out for 30 days with no contract and no cancellation fees. You have nothing to lose. Their US Customer service team is standing by to help you switch in as little as 10 minutes. Just dial £250 and say Megan Kelly to claim unlimited high speed data for just $34.99. Again, dial pound 250 and then say my name Megyn Kelly to switch to America's wireless company PureTalk. Think about this. In 2006, 20,000 bucks equaled roughly 33 ounces of gold at spot price. At today's prices, those 33 ounces would be worth about $165,000. Smart Americans should consider diversifying a portion of their savings into precious metals. Metals. So let me tell you about Birch Gold Group. For thousands of years, gold has been a store of wealth and today it can be a crucial part of any balanced strategy. Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered retirement account. In gold. Just text MK to the number 989898 to receive your free info kit on gold. There's no obligation Just useful information with an A rating. With a Better Business Bureau and and tens of thousands of happy customers, let Birch Gold help you diversify with Gold for peace of mind, text MK to the number 989898.
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Hey everyone, it's me, Megyn Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on Sirius xm. It's called the Megyn Kelly Channel and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered, with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megyn Kelly show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halperin, link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Jasinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear Politics, and many more. It's bold. No BS news only on the Megyn Kelly channel, SiriusXM 111 and on the SiriusXM app. Emily Jasinsky, host of afterparty is back with me now. And to all of our SiriusXM fans, hands. Emily's after the show program will start in just a minute and you can call in and sometimes it's been very fun. I've discovered this and I've been listening to it. It's so fun to listen to people call in and talk about what they thought. So please do call. Do we know the number off the. I don't know the number.
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Megyn Kelly
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Emily Jashinsky
There we go. So easy to remember. Okay, get on the line now and let us know your thoughts. Okay. Tom Steyer, the villain. Villainous, vile Tom Steyer who wants every boy to play in girl sports just as long as he pretends that he's a girl. He's decided that Jon Hamm would be a great person to voice over. His one of the last ads in this campaign as the vote comes down to the final hours. And a simple Google search would have served Tom Steyer very well because John Hammond is no one to be associated with your political campaign. I remember seeing him once at the Democratic National Convention. I was there as a reporter and he was there. He's obviously a die hard Democrat and he is troubled, shall we say? Emily, I'm not gonna lie, I loved Mad Men. I've liked Jon Hamm in a couple of movies. I have to be honest. It's before I knew what he had done when he was a college fraternity brother. And it's despicable and unforgettable. And I learned it from our pal Maureen Callahan, who, when she launched the nerve, opened with this incredible takedown of Jon Hamm. And I was like, oh my God, is this true? I mean, for a number of reasons, I wanted to make sure it was true. And it is true, as alleged by the man who says he was victimized by Hamilton. This is all from official police documents and other documents. I'll actually give you the exact sourcing as we come out of it. But hold on a second. It's Politifact actually reported. We identified Travis county records relating to a civil lawsuit brought by this man who says he was victimized by John Hamm, his name is Mark Allen Sanders, against the fraternity and several members, including Hamilton. There is a transcript of a February 28, 1991 interview of Sanders by Stanley Anderson, an investigator for Travis County. And that's the source for all of this information. And we'll tell you what John Hamm says about it as well. But here's a summary by Maureen on what John Hamm did at this fraternity where he was a brother and Mark Allen Sanders was pledging. And I mean, I mean, I pledged a sorority. I was in Tridelt when I was in college. And we had minor, minor, I don't even call it hazing, but, you know, pledge like behavior that we had to do. It was fun, it was in good humor. We all laughed. There was absolutely nothing that came anywhere close to hurting us. And by that point, on the campus of Syracuse University, they'd had a couple of scandals involving a couple of fraternity houses. So the fraternities as well. Well, we're pretty clean in the, in the so called hazing or the, you know, initiation rituals. But certainly we had moved beyond hurting people, understanding that, that, that's not brotherhood and it's not what a man would do, which is what these guys are at the college level, young men trying to set the example in behavior for others. So shame on you, Jon Hamm. Here's Maureen, recitation of some of the basics. Because this kid Mark could not come up with the proper nicknames. He gets mad, meaning Jon Hamm. He marches these two little pledges upstairs where they meet two other frat boys
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Megyn Kelly
who have a paddle.
- [107:41]
Emily Jashinsky
They begin to beat Mark Sanders and the victim describes Jon Hamm rearing back and he hits me right over my right kidney. I mean, square over it. Good solid hit. And that stood me up. So then Jon Hamm and the group lead me downstairs to the quote, unquote pit. And Mark is ordered to get in the dirt and begin forcibly doing push ups. Jon Hamm, according to this transcript and another frat boy quote, they were actually pushing my face to get in the dirt. Jon Hamm pulls out a lighter. And I was wearing designer jeans, and I have this loop on the front. And he took the lighter and caught that on fire. I tried to put out the fire immediately. Jon Hamm knocked my hand away. And I was kind of panicking because I was wearing a cotton T shirt. He made me blow it out with my mouth. Jon Hamm takes that hammer claw, hooks it under Mark Sanders genitals and drags him around the room for about a solid minute. I mean, absolutely despicable behavior. She also got into this. That Mark Allen Sanders told investigators when he sat down with him weeks later that he had been to the doctor. He had a broken back. His spine was fractured. His doctor told him he may lose his right kidney. He had extreme trauma. He said, quote, my kidney spasms and it bruises itself. And the doctor told him it was from being hit right over it, the kidney. I can remember feeling being hit hard right over this, his kidney. He was also beaten with a broomstick right over my rib cage. He said, whenever I breathe, my lung actually can't go all the way because it's pinned between my rib cage from. I assume it was beaten down some. Beaten into me. He had ligament damage, cartilage damage, artery, vein and nerve damage damage. His rib cage was bruised severely. The other pledge who survived that night said he was afraid to return to Austin. This happened at the University of Texas at Austin at the Sigma Nu fraternity house. And John Hamm, when asked about this incident by Esquire in 2018, said, quote, I wouldn't say that it's accurate. Everything about that is sensationalized. I was accused of these things. I don't. It's so hard to get into. I don't want to give it any more breath. It was a bummer of a thing that happened. I was essentially acquitted. I wasn't convicted of anything. I was caught up in a big situation. A stupid kid in a stupid situation. A fucking bummer. I moved on from it, okay? A bummer is not how you describe breaking someone's back, fracturing their spine, bruising their right kidney to the point where they might have lost it, hurting their Lungs, their ligaments, their veins, causing nerve damage as you did all the things Maureen said, allegedly. And on top of that, one we didn't include in the clip was was they allegedly pulled his underwear up from inside of Mark's pants. The more they pulled, the more it would like. They just kept pulling on both sides. They were pulling, and then they sawed the underwear, like, back and forth between his legs, trying to hurt him. And it did hurt, like, over and over. So they hurt his genitals. John Hamm tried to light him on fire. Jon Hamm beat him in the kidney with a paddle and allegedly broke his back. And somehow this man has become a Hollywood darling to the point where Tom Steyer, now number two in the race for California governor, thought he would be a great choice to voice over his final ad. It's despicable and says a lot about Tom Steyer, not to mention Jon Hamm. Your thoughts?
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, it says a lot about Hollywood, actually, because these are really, really serious alle. And to get a question about it in Esquire and then be able to coast. I mean, Ham's not just out there like a Joaquin Phoenix type guy, just trying to be an actor. You know, he's just in it for the art. Like, he's a. He's a big brand. He has a lot of, like, business deals that come along with Jon Hamm, Inc. And so for that to never have affected his career, I mean, there's a. There are a lot of crazy fraternity hazing stories. There's a small minority of stories. I mean, people have died in these awful rituals, but they're a small, small minority of stories. It sounds like this story falls into that small, small minority of stories where you have fraternity brothers who are so drunk, they're big football players, and they become sadistic. And to drag someone around with a hammer claw by their testicles is just. It's not normal behavior. It's not even. Like, I got caught up in the moment during frat hazing and was so drunk and guy was blacked out type of behavior, it doesn't even fall into that category. So the fact that he's kind of
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Emily Jashinsky
gotten away with somebody on fire.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, right, right. And the fact that he's kind of gotten away with just giving fucking bummer answers to these questions, I actually think that tells us something about. Especially, by the way, as a kind of far. Like, let's just say Tom Steyer is going in the leftist plane. Like, he wants to be seen as a leftist. And then for leftists who are supposedly caring about women, vulnerable people and toxic masculinity. To just bring John Hammond to the fold as a, you know, surrogate without really ever grappling with that seems a little interesting from my perspective because that's a very. I mean, that's not just like, oh, it was in my past. I had one drunken, crazy night. That's pretty serious stuff.
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Emily Jashinsky
That is deadly serious. Here's the ad.
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Megyn Kelly
Sweet California, built by the go getters, the pioneers, the brave to make this big, beautiful, crazy place we call home. A home that's become unaffordable for the people who live here and make it run. This election is about change versus more of the same. If you want a governor who can't be bought, who can take on the powerful interests crushing us.
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Emily Jashinsky
If you're ready for change. Tom Steyer for governor. Let's not forget, Emily, what he said to AB Hernandez. It's the governor's job to protect you against all of the malign influences in this world. That I will be your protection between the danger and Californians. You just had one voice. Your ad. What are you. Tell it to Mark. Right? Tell it to this poor kid, Mark Allen Sanders, now a grown man who will never get over the scars caused by an incident like that. Absolutely never. As, I mean, can you imagine this is so damaging and just destructive to a young man's psyche to have to go through that just to join a fraternity and where. And then he has to watch as Jon Hamm becomes a big star, a huge celebrity. But at least he's thinking. They didn't know. At least he's thinking, okay, all he's, he's doing is acting a role. He's not actually Jon Hammer Hamm, who's being celebrated until now. Where Tom Steyer has taken the actual Jon Hamm to be, in essence, a campaign spokesperson. Because he's just fine. The big protector of California is just fine with having an abuser. Alleged voiceover. His last campaign ad to leave that lasting impression with Californians about what a protector Tom Steyer is going to be.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, I'm contrasting this my mind with Mark Wahlberg who a lot more people are familiar with Mark Wahlberg's. I mean, these are people of similar caliber celebrity. A lot more people are familiar with Mark Wahlberg. Wahlberg's past. And he's had to explain it. He's had to deal with it. And I, you rarely ever, ever hear this Jon Hamp story. Like, despite how serious the allegations are. You really ever, ever hear about this. Like, that's the beauty of what Maureen does, she tells these stories because as a market, people know they're not getting what they want to hear from Hollywood, like, industry press. But that's insane. I mean, just thinking about examples, like, Wahlberg tends to be, I think, seen as somebody who's a little more. Right. But if. I think if Jon Hamm were somebody who was coming out in support of. Of Steve Hilton or Spencer Pratt, he would be getting destroyed over these allegations, to be honest.
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Emily Jashinsky
Yes. I totally agree with you. It's like Matt Damon almost had his career destroyed because he was accused. Was it. I forgive me. I for. I forget whether it was Matt or Ben Affleck. One of them, like, allegedly grabbed a woman's rear end during the MeToo era, and it came out. And the other one, like, defended him, but he definitely almost got. It was Ben who did it. Okay. And Matt just made comments about it, like, calm down. And then Matt admitted that he had used the term faggot. He had, like, discussed at the table with his daughter how the term. That term didn't used to be, you know, verboten. And she couldn't believe that he didn't know that. Like, that there was a time when that term was used and he almost got canceled over saying that, you know, at one point, that term wasn't considered an aftermath. Like, you were. You were allowed to say it. So, like, they're ready to cancel Matt Damon over that word and over defending, like a bottom tap. But Jon Hamm can not only be a huge star in all these series and movies and actually do voiceovers for gubernatorial campaigns after breaking a man's back, allegedly and allegedly trying to set him on fire again. He's sort of trying to deny it. It's not the most convincing denial to Esquire. That's just fine. Hollywood doesn't have its values intact, and neither do Democrats in California if they don't start calling Tom Steyer's office and asking him why he chose this alleged abuser to be his campaign voiceover man. That's the lasting impression he wants Californians to be left with. I think it's disgusting, Emily. I'm sorry. I just think of all the people. I'm sure there's other rich California actors who would have been willing to voice a Tom Stier ad. You didn't have to go to this guy.
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Megyn Kelly
I wonder if the Steyer campaign even knows about this. Honestly, that's like. Is how little this has been talked about. Even right now as he's cutting this ad for Steyer. At the last minute. This show is probably one of the only places where this is getting discussed. And again, if he were coming out for Steve Hilton or Spencer Pratt, we know that this story would be huge. It would be weaponized. And I don't think all of our standards are great, but all people are asking for is for us to have the same standards for Hollywood. If they're going to lecture us and send endorsements to candidates, all we're asking is that they hold themselves to the same standards. If they're going to be so sand sanctimonious about politics, if they insist on doing that, then they should hold themselves to their own standards. And that's obviously not happening here.
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Emily Jashinsky
Oh yeah. I mean like every Trump surrogate when he was running was subjected to media scrutiny where we had to go back through their scandals and ask ourselves whether they really should have been speaking at the Republican National Committee convention. And so like they all got that treatment. This let's I look forward to watching the Hollywood reporters write up of it the very judgmental Hollywood Report unless it's a star they want access to, in which case it's kid gloves. They will get the Rita treatment of Jill Biden on CBS Sunday mornings. So we'll see. We will certainly call the Tom Steyer campaign as we have been trying to get him to come on the show to defend his stance on males playing in female sports. But he's too much of a, you know what to come on here and actually answer tough questions. He is, he's too scared to actually answer. And I would be respectful of Tom Starr. I would, I wouldn't be an ass. I would ask him tough questions and see if he could defend them, but he is too afraid to do it. Speaking of questions, off you go to the races. Thank you for being here and thank you for doing three hours today. Emily, you're very busy on the MK channel over on Sirius xm and the MK Wrap up show starts in just a moment. We are back tomorrow with an amazing Kelly's Court. That case down in Texas involving Carmelo Anthony, the young man who was accused of stabbing Austin Metcalfe in the heart, is now underway. Starting with jury selection, we will have a full deep dive for you. And there is an update on the horrific case out of London too with the young man who was stabbed and told by the London police. No, you haven't been. Wait until you hear what the perpetrator's family just did. All that is in tomorrow's Kelly score. We will see you then. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda, and no fear.
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Megyn Kelly
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Megyn Kelly
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