Smoking Gun Biden Cover-Up Admission, Brutal KJP Interview, and Zohran's "Aunt" Lie, with Ruthless Podcast | Ep. 1181

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The Megyn Kelly Show | Ep. 1181

Theme: Smoking Gun Biden Cover-Up Admission, Brutal KJP Interview, and Zohran's "Aunt" Lie
Date: October 28, 2025
Host: Megyn Kelly
Guests: Ruthless Podcast crew (Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, John Ashbrook, Comfortably Smug)

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on three major political stories:

1. A bombshell video of top Biden advisor Mike Donilon admitting to a massive financial incentive tied to Biden’s reelection—raising questions about greed and cover-ups at the White House.
2. A scathing, often-comedic breakdown of a disastrous interview with former White House press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre, highlighting evasions, DEI-language reliance, and confusion over basic questions.
3. Exposure of New York political candidate Zohran Mamdani's misleading 9/11 “aunt” story and the dangers of radical left/Islamist alignment in NYC politics.

Megyn, with the Ruthless team, delivers sharp, unfiltered analysis, lambasting hypocrisy and perceived dishonesty, with signature barbed wit.

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Key Segments & Discussions

1. Smoking Gun: Biden Advisor's $8 Million Admission

[00:33–11:58]

Main Point:
A newly released video by the House Oversight Committee shows former Biden senior advisor Mike Donilon, under questioning, stuttering and dodging before reluctantly admitting that, in addition to $4 million already paid, he’d receive another $4 million if Biden won reelection.

Discussion Highlights:

• Evasion and Admission: Donilon repeatedly stalls, dances around straightforward questions, eventually conceding the multimillion-dollar arrangement.
• Megyn Kelly’s Reaction:

  “He tries to avoid answering, but eventually he's forced to admit the truth. Watch this entire two-minute painful thing.” (03:57) "It's obvious. Good for them for following up. A lesser lawyer wouldn't have done it. These guys did." (06:29)

• Ruthless Panel’s Take:
  • John Ashbrook: “We have a joke ... there is no fiercer capitalist than a progressive Democrat in Washington, D.C. They’re going to get paid, right? ... This guy is a perfect encapsulation of that.” (12:35)
  • Comfortably Smug: “Any political consultant could recite what their win bonus is in their sleep ... for him to be like, ‘yeah ... $4 million’ ... This Biden Inc. We toss 4 mil around like it’s nothing.” (13:40)
• Conflict of Interest: Discussion of the ethical problem of a close adviser standing to make millions based on Biden clinging to office despite questions about cognitive decline.
• Donor Money Outrage:
  • John Ashbrook: “Eight million is a big number. ... That is insane.” (17:31)
  • Comfortably Smug: “All those $20 and $5 donations are getting rolled up into 8 million to go into Donilon’s pocket. That is absolutely not a normal amount to be paid.” (18:21)

Notable Quotes:

• Megyn Kelly: “What you loved was the almighty dollar, sir. That’s obvious.” (07:14)
• Comfortably Smug: “The fact that this guy’s trying to run the clock ... is an admission of guilt that you did something you know was wrong.” (15:54)

Timestamps:

• [00:33] Megyn introduces the Donilon story
• [04:06–06:05] Audio of Donilon’s questioning and admission
• [12:19] Ruthless team joins panel

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2. Karine Jean-Pierre’s Brutal Interview Breakdown

[21:00–41:24]

Main Point:
Megyn and the Ruthless crew dissect KJP’s widely panned interview with Isaac Chotiner from The New Yorker. Subjects include KJP’s claim of betrayal by the Democratic party, her DEI reliance (“as a Black queer woman...”), her loyalty to Biden, and her inability to answer simple questions.

Discussion Highlights:

• Evasion and Word Salad: KJP repeatedly stalls with phrases like “wait, wait, wait,” fixates on identity qualities, and is unable to articulate clear positions on Biden’s competence or party loyalty.
• Isaac Chotiner’s Persistence:

  “I’m not sure what you’re saying.” (26:27)
  “Is this a matter of how you treat someone or a matter of putting the country first?” (29:42)

• Panel Satire:
  • “What is a black queer woman?” Panel repeatedly riffs on KJP’s fallback to identity—“She pushed the button,” “Mocha skin,” “I’m vanilla ... Madagascar vanilla.”
  • Media Indulgence: The Ruthless team discusses how KJP’s lack of scrutiny by friendly media left her ill-equipped for genuine questions.
  • “Saying the quiet thing out loud” Mocking KJP’s use of political clichés as if she were being bold.
• DEI Critique: Both Megyn and guests argue KJP is a product of a system valuing “checked boxes” over competence and openly mock her publisher for putting out her book.

Notable Quotes:

• Megyn Kelly: “We can see what happened here. She got the job totally because of DEI, obviously. ... She actually really never had to answer questions about what she thought.” (40:10)
• Comfortably Smug: “There is no greater example of what happens... this woman has no business writing a book, let alone being the spokesperson for the President...” (38:00)

Timestamps:

• [21:00] KJP interview enters discussion
• [23:53, 25:57, 26:27, 27:42] Key interview exchanges
• [39:13] Media bubble enabling Democratic incompetence

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3. The Zorhan Mamdani “Aunt” Lie and NYC Politics

[67:52–91:13]

Main Point:
Zorhan Mamdani, candidate for NYC mayor, gave an emotional speech claiming his “aunt” stopped wearing a hijab after 9/11 due to fear—only for the story to unravel under scrutiny. The panel exposes the lie, his radical affiliations, and the misuse of Islamophobia rhetoric.

Discussion Highlights:

• Faking Victimhood:
  • Megyn Kelly: “There’s no aunt. ... It’s unclear whether she ever wore a hijab or rode the subway at all.” (69:27)
• Radical Ties:
  • Mamdani’s connections with an imam who testified for the 1993 WTC bombers; his father's academic apologetics for suicide bombers.
• Islamophobia as Deflection:

  “Islamophobia is a made up term meant to silence critics of Islam. Critics of Islam are onto something. Islam is incompatible with Western values.” (77:09)

• Ruthless Panel’s Outrage:
  • Comfortably Smug: “I'm going to disagree with you completely ... Don't support Cuomo, vote for Sliwa. ... New York's going to get what they want. They're going to get what they deserve.” (75:46)
  • Megyn Kelly: “The nerve of him trying to take 9/11 and make it about Islamophobia...” (80:45)

9/11 Remembrance:
Megyn drives the point home by playing heartwrenching 911 calls from actual 9/11 victims—Kevin Cosgrove and Melissa Doi (82:21–88:21)—to re-center the meaning of 9/11 away from Islamophobia and towards the suffering caused by Islamist terrorism.

Notable Quotes:

• Megyn Kelly: “That is what happened when Kevin Cosgrove was killed on 9/11 ... That day is about him. ... It is not about some fake invented aunt. It is not about Islamophobia.” (83:10)
• John Ashbrook: “It shocks me to my core that we are having a very real discussion ... where we've got a guy who's on the terror side. On the terror side of the equation.” (94:20)
• Megyn Kelly: “If you're asking me whether I want Islam taking over American cities and our positions of power, the answer is no. If that makes me phobic of Islam, I don't give a shit.” (96:13)

Timestamps:

• [68:46] Mamdani’s speech played and debunked
• [82:21] Heartbreaking 9/11 victim audio played as counterpoint
• [86:07–88:21] More 9/11 testimonies

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4. Gavin Newsom's "Poor Kid" Act

[98:26–102:57]

Main Point:
Governor Gavin Newsom appears on a podcast with two former NBA players and attempts to relate by telling a “rags to riches” story, despite his well-documented privilege as a Getty family protégé.

Panel Reaction:

• Laughter at Newsom’s claim:

  “I had a stack of Wonder Bread and some macaroni and cheese. I was out on the corner. It was just me and the Gettys. You know how it is. Just like a normal kid having to hustle.” (100:10)

• John Ashbrook: “He’s talking to a bunch of former NBA guys ... he would lead them to believe that he's crossing over Stephon Marbury at Rucker Park, when in actuality he's hanging out with the Gettys, stomping from wine grapes, actually asking someone else to stomp on the wine.” (101:33)

Timestamps:

• [99:29] Newsom audio; panel breakdown and mockery

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Memorable Moments & Pull Quotes

• Megyn Kelly on Donilon:

  “You're afraid. You utter coward. You greedy coward.” (08:34)

• Josh Holmes on DNC Consultants:

  “There is no fiercer capitalist than a progressive Democrat in Washington, D.C.” (12:40)

• KJP Interview Satire:

  “What is a black queer woman? ... At times there's a question that should be the.” (26:00)

• On Media Bubble:

  "They feel like the media is actually their press office." (39:26)

• On 9/11 & American Values:

  “That is who 9/11 is about. ... It's not about Zoramdadi, it's not about his fake aunt, and it's certainly not about Islamophobia.” (88:21)

• On Radicalism in NYC Politics:

  “Islam is incompatible with Western values. Period.” (77:20)

• On Gavin Newsom:

  “Look at this hustling, starting a winery with the Gettys. He’s on the street.” (100:42)

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Structure & Flow Summary

• Opening: Megyn sets the agenda with Biden advisor's scandal.
• First Act: Ruthless team dives into Donilon cover-up and corruption.
• Second Act: Hilarious yet cutting deconstruction of KJP’s interview and failures of media/DEI.
• Third Act: Deep, emotional, and fierce critique of Mamdani’s lies about 9/11, illustrated with real, devastating victim stories.
• Closing: Satirical take-down of Gavin Newsom’s attempt at ‘relatability.’

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Conclusion

This fiery episode delivers hard-hitting, conservative-leaning commentary on liberal hypocrisy, corruption, performative identity politics, and national memory. With searing analysis, biting humor, memorable quotes, and moments of deep gravity (especially through raw 9/11 audio), Megyn and the Ruthless guests create a rich, engaging resource for anyone wanting to understand these political flashpoints—without having to listen to the whole three-hour broadcast.

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Transcript

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[Peter Spector]

Just to be clear, with the amount of pay you received for your role in the campaign, would that have changed depending on how far into the race President Biden made it? My sense is that.

[Megyn Kelly]

That.

[Peter Spector]

The.

[Megyn Kelly]

In.

[Peter Spector]

My view, the money was.

[Megyn Kelly]

That it.

[Peter Spector]

Was a guarantee they came back, that we'd had a negotiation, and that's my.

[John Ashbrook]

Memory of the agreement.

[Megyn Kelly]

You have received a bonus depending on the way the campaign went.

[John Ashbrook]

Was that a possibility.

[Peter Spector]

How the campaign went?

[Megyn Kelly]

Were there any circumstances in which you would have received a bonus?

[Peter Spector]

Yes, it was. What were those circumstances that Joe Biden would have been reelected President of the United States? What was.

[Megyn Kelly]

What was the bonus of, Ben?

[Peter Spector]

I believe it would have been $4.

[Megyn Kelly]

Million in addition to the $4 million that you were already paid? Yes, it's hard to hear that last number, but it was another four, got four and would have gotten another four if Joe Biden had been reelected. Can you believe what we just saw? Just to go over it, the first question was from Peter Spector, House Oversight Committee staff member. He asks, just to be clear, with the amount of pay you receive for Your role in the campaign, would that have changed depending on how far into the race President Biden made it? Is that confusing to you? Is that confusing to you members of the audience? Was. It's pretty straightforward. Just to be clear, with the amount of pay you receive for your role on the campaign, would that have changed depending on how far into the race President Biden made it? Yes or no? That's what we spent over a minute hemming and hawing on my senses. I'm not going to repeat the pausing, but you heard it, in my view, finally comes out with the money. It was a guarantee. The campaign. We had a negotiation. And that's my memory of the agreement. It's a non answer. He won't answer. He's clearly dodging. He's self conscious. He knows they've got him. He knows the motive for his terrible behavior is about to be outed in what I presume was an under oath deposition. We are all under oath when we give a deposition. And he wouldn't even answer yes or no. All he says was it was a guarantee. That doesn't answer our question on whether it would have gone up or down. Sure, there could have been a guarantee for some portion of it, but they're asking you, would that have changed depending on how far into the race President Biden made it? And now we know as we get to the end, because they followed up like good lawyers saying no. We're asking whether it would have gone up. You had a bonus if he got reelected. And finally he says yes. So you know he was fucking lying there when he was answering, oh, it was guaranteed. That's my memory. He was lying. That's obvious. Good for them for following up. A lesser lawyer wouldn't have done it. These guys did. And then you heard Margaret Harker, senior adviser to the House Oversight Committee. Assuming this is a lawyer, don't know. You never received a bonus depending on the way the campaign went. Was that a possibility? How the campaign went? This is a top political operative. Who does he think he's kidding? You know exactly what she's asking. You're afraid. You utter coward. You greedy coward. Wow, this guy. How the campaign went? She follows up. Were there any circumstances in which you would have received a bonus? Now he can't wiggle. Finally, yes, it was. Of course he's playing word games like trying to feign confusion. Again, there were is what he should have said. What were those circumstances? And then he gives it up that Joe Biden would have been reelected president. What would the bonus have Been, I believe it would have been 4 million in addition to the 4 million you already paid. Yes, they got him. They got him in the end after considerable wiggling. This guy, in my opinion, is a dishonest hack. That's what we're witnessing there, dishonest hackery meant to cover up abject greed and a loathing for the United States of America. This is the opposite of patriotism, of duty, of love, of country. What you loved was the almighty dollar, sir. That's obvious. In this same interview, Donlin defended Biden's fitness for office because sure, of course, they all had to. We've talked about Mike Donilon on this show before. You may remember when Tapper came on, he was part of President Biden's inner circle known as the Politburo, a group of advisors that Mr. Biden always turned to. There was like a top three, maybe four who were like the inner circle who made the decisions with him. Bruce Reed, Mike Donilon, Steve Ricketti and Ron Klain, who was his chief of staff for a while. A person familiar with this internal dynamic told Jake Tapper for his book, quote, five people were running the country and Joe Biden was at best a senior member of the board. And it was revealed in Tapper's book that in 2019, then candidate Joe Biden once struggled to even remember Donilon's name during a campaign event in Iowa. He just kept saying, you know, you know, you know. These two have known each other since 1981. 81. Okay, here. Now to react to this, plus a wild new Karine Jean Pierre interview are the fellas from the Ruthless program, Josh Holmes, Michael Duncan, John Ashbrook, and Comfortably Smug. And when you are buried in credit card and loan debt, it's human nature to put it off and say, I will deal with this later if that's you. Here's something you need to consider. Okay, just give me 30 seconds to consider the following. 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[Peter Spector]

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[John Ashbrook]

Hey, Megan, great to be back. Good to see you.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's great to see you, too. And the news gods rain down upon us for your return to the show. Do you believe what we just witnessed?

[John Ashbrook]

Listen, it's that kind of verbal dexterity and political acumen that you pay top dollar for in the political consulting world. In defense of Tom Donlan, though, I will say that he has captured, he has captured Joe Biden's voice absolutely perfectly in that it seemed like it was a one to one, all knows. But we have a joke. We, you know, we've been in political consulting and that kind of thing forever. We have a joke internally here that there is no fiercer capitalist than a progressive Democrat in Washington, D.C. they're going to get paid, right? One way or another, they're going to figure out how to get paid. And this guy is a perfect encapsulation of that.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's, it's all there, black and white. He, he was going to make millions, millions of dollars if he could just get Bernie over the finish line. He did not give two shits about what was gonna happen to the rest of the country because obviously they had some woke progressives making policy decisions there and they were all just perfectly fine with that, presumably as long as he could keep his summer home.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yeah, and also how disingenuous. Like any political consultant could recite what their win bonus is in their sleep. They know how much money they're getting paid. So for him to be like, you know, try to like, run out the clock to be before he's like, yeah, it's $4 million. Like 4 million. 4 million more on top of the 4 million you're already getting. It's like, yeah, you know, just another casual 4 million. This Biden Inc. We toss 4 mil around like it's Nothing.

[Peter Spector]

Well, we're talking about a conflict of interest here, but we're not talking about any candidate for any office. We're talking about the current President of the United States at that moment. Right. And that's what makes it so galling, Megan, is like, yeah, this guy, he was. He stand to gain another $4 million if his candidate won an election. But he was also part of this farce pretending that this guy could still do the job in the Oval Office. And that is the real import, I think, of this entire investigation is figuring out, like, are these people committing treason? It feels like treason to me.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Yes. It feels like it. It feels like. Like an utter betrayal of their patriotic duty and their oath of office in order to line their own pockets. That's. Let me tell you something, though, because I'm sure it's not unusual to have this sort of bonus structure built in for a campaign manager, like for, you know, if you get me over the line, I'm gonna. I'm gonna give you some sort of a bonus. It. He handled it. That told us everything we needed to know. He was so dishonest in fessing up and tried to dodge. Thank God the questioners followed up and understood they were asking a really simple thing. Let me tell you, though, as a lawyer, and again, I don't know if these are lawyers. I assume they are, but at least they're skilled cross examiners. When somebody does this, every hair on the back of your neck stands up and you're like, you know, with the claws out, like, you're fucking dead. Now you're dead. Now we're gonna go. I mean, I've been in this position countless times in depositions and cross examinations and sometimes even in interviews. It's the worst possible thing to do. The worst possible way to handle it. The best way is to be like, yes, and I was to receive another 4 million if he made it across the line. That's it. But then you got. They got their admission, which they were going to get no matter what. But you don't look like a dishonest cretin. I can't believe how dumb this guy was.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yeah, I mean, I think it kind of feels like he knows he should be ashamed, meaning he knows he did something wrong. Meaning this business that he was engaged in, he knew it wasn't all above board. If you're doing above board things like, yeah, my family went and we worked at a soup kitchen last Thanksgiving. We fed the poor. I'm happy to tell people that because you're Proud of that. But the fact that this guy's trying to run the clock and he was like, yeah, it was another 4 million. Like, it's an admission of guilt that you did something you know was wrong. When you're trying to hide it like that and you feel ashamed of it like that. The good sign that you were doing some dishonest stuff.

[Peter Spector]

The outcome of the campaign. Yeah, the outcome of the campaign. Your professional political outcome of the campaign. I mean, I don't know. There's an election.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

What is this thing of which you speak? The campaign and its outcome?

[John Ashbrook]

Perhaps you could elaborate on a bonus for the debate performance.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's amazing to me.

[John Ashbrook]

Reclamation. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

There's so much lying in today's news cycle. Honestly, like, that's. We kicked it off with the big lie. That's as the Democrats like, the turn of phrase, the big lie. But the whole show is about lying. Liars who lie. And they're all Democrats. Not that Republicans never lie. They lie, too. But there's a bunch of Democrats lying in the news today. Okay, let's keep going. Because that's not the only one.

[Josh Holmes]

They get away with it. They do it in secret. They get away with it. That's true.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's right, Ashbrooke. Because the press almost never presses them. Right. It's like, even here, we needed Republicans on the House Oversight Committee to get this admission. You know, like Mike Donnell. And who got this admission from him? Like, what presser, what member of the press ever got it? Okay, that's also.

[John Ashbrook]

Can I just interject on one thing before you transition, 8M is a big number. Like, I don't want your audience to think that that is what campaign managers are paid to run political campaigns. That is insane. When we used to run political campaigns, you had a very finite amount of cash that you were able to raise through hard dollar limits and whatnot. And you cared so deeply about winning and losing, which is why you got involved in the first place. You tried to keep your own overhead as low as possible in order to maximize resources for TV ads, for field work, for all the things that you need to do during the course of the campaign.

[Josh Holmes]

For you.

[John Ashbrook]

For someone to just say, like, I'm going to take 8m off the top of that. And what is going to be a nip and tuck race is wild.

[Comfortably Smug]

It's an insane number. I remember, like, isn't.

[Megyn Kelly]

Isn't that donor money?

[John Ashbrook]

Yes.

[Comfortably Smug]

And that's like, you know, when they ask donors to be like, hey, can you chip in 5 bucks, 20 bucks? Those small dollar donors, all those $20 and $5 donations are getting rolled up into 8 million to go into Donilon's pocket. Like, that's how greedy this guy is. That is absolutely not a normal amount to be paid.

[John Ashbrook]

Nothing blows.

[Josh Holmes]

Yeah. In Major League Baseball, there's a lot of talk about a salary cap. And so I wonder if in Democrat politics, maybe some of the donors might be considering coming together and instituting a salary cap on Democrats. Campaign consultants.

[Megyn Kelly]

Think about. Honestly, I feel sorry for the Democrats. I actually feel sorry for these Democrat donors. Not only were they being set up to fail with Biden and this guy, but then what did they get to replace him? Somebody who spent more than $1 billion in 107 days and, and blew out so much of the dough that the DNC is now still paying back her debt. We just got news last week they had to cover an additional $1.6 million of her debt. She went over budget over her billion dollar spend. She actually managed to spend beyond her means and they're still trying to clean it up. If I were Democrat, I'd never get another penny.

[Comfortably Smug]

Real quick, is this thing, this, this money scheme is the entire explanation for the entire left. Beyonce came in, got paid off that Oprah came in, got paid off that you think Hollywood is supporting these socialists for their health. There's money for everybody in this game. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

And the Oprah thing was such a grift. I've. I said it at the time. We talked about it. When you are a journalist, you don't get paid by the campaign for anything. You don't take one cent from the campaign or you've sold your soul. You don't say, I'll do a town hall with you, but you have to pay for the big round theater with the fancy monitors everywhere so I can beam in Republicans for Kamala. You say, I will be in charge of the set and the production and I will make it as fancy or not as I want and all of that will come out of my. The journalists budget. Oprah tried to, you know, scoff this off as like, oh, what do you mean? It was like a million dollars for my, for the production. Like, no, that's not normal. You know it. You're corrupt too.

[John Ashbrook]

Yeah, totally. But here's the thing. You talked about feeling bad for Democratic donors. They'll never know, Megan. They'll never know. They are sitting there listening to MSNBC prime time or all of the cheerleaders on the left that have made them sort of agnostic to anything outside of this far left preaching. They'll never know about this clip. They'll never know that the whole American democracy, the Democratic Party, the nomination, all of it was for the low, low price of $8 million. They'll never know.

[Comfortably Smug]

You're right.

[Megyn Kelly]

This is not the lead on MSNBC today on any left wing podcast. I look forward to the In Depth, the daily podcast on this. I'll wait. Okay. There's so many things we've got to get to, so I'm, I'm forging forward the Karine Jean Pierre interview. Okay. Yes, there is. She sat down with the New Yorker and the reporter, Isaac Chotiner. I don't know him. Choder. Maybe I should know him. I think I want to know him after I read this interview. It's amazing. And he did the very simple thing that is all you need to do when sitting across from a dumb liar like Karine Jean Pierre, which is just ask the most basic, simple questions. Just. I mean, it was literally like, what does that mean? I still don't understand. Could you please explain? Could you elaborate? That's literally all he did for page after page and just hoisted her on her own petard. It was a thing of beauty. We've got to go through it. There'll be some dramatic reenactments here. But this is a beauty. I mean, it's to the point where even the left is acknowledging this is the end of her career. Like, of the press tour has not been going well at all.

[Peter Spector]

No, no.

[Megyn Kelly]

And then this is the final nail in the coffin. So he starts, you know, he sets it up and talks about she left the party because the party didn't stand by Joe Biden. I guess that's why she wants to become an independent now. But unclear. Okay, so here's the question. You feel like you had to leave the Democratic Party because of the way it treated Joe Biden? How did it treat Joe Biden? This is like, truly, this is like you're deposing a four year old. How did it do that? It's like, make it as simple as possible. Come on, Kareem, even you can do it. Now. Remember this opening line she gives? I call it a betrayal. I, I call it. That's my special thing, that it's a betrayal. She says, okay, I'm gonna stitch together these answers because they're very long, but I've, I've highlighted the relevant parts. And by the way, I'm doing her a favor because I'm gonna make her sound more lucid and cogent and Following a thread than she is because she meanders all over the hell and gone. You're like, get back here to first base. She's out in left field. Come back, the ball is here. So I'm gonna condense it. She says, I was the person who was standing on that podium behind that lectern, having to take in all the hard questions on this, rightfully so. And I was watching what Democratic leadership was doing. It was an all out, full on campaign to embarrass him, to push him out. And I thought to myself, this man is one of the most decent people that I know. And objectively, objectively, it was a good presidency. It was a good presidency. Some have even said. Some, Some have even said he did more in one term than most presidents do in two.

[John Ashbrook]

So I just didn't understand.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, many, many people just, just didn't understand why this was happening. So he says, you said that the party was trying to undermine Biden. What do you think they were doing and why? Well, I just laid it out. I just said there was an obvious campaign you just had to watch. Sure. But why were they doing that? Because they believed he needed to step aside. This is very layered. Very layered. Right. There's a period of time layered that I questioned what was happening and how do we treat our own. How do we treat people who are decent people? And then you also have to think about. Here we go, folks, how I'm thinking about this as a insert.

[John Ashbrook]

Here we go.

[Megyn Kelly]

What is Karine Jean Pierre, everyone?

[Josh Holmes]

Black queer woman.

[Peter Spector]

Black woman.

[Megyn Kelly]

Queer woman. To the gentleman in the hat. You have to think about how I'm thinking about this as a black woman who is part of the LGBTQ community as well, and living in this time where I also don't think Democrats right now, Democrat leadership is protecting vulnerable people in the way that it should. She didn't get enough protection. And Biden, I guess here is the vulnerable person, which is true, but that's the whole point. That's why he needed to go. He had moved from being firm to infirm and needed to be wheeled right out of the Oval Office. So now Isaac says, sorry, I'm not trying to be dense. I'm a little unclear about what this has to do with Democratic leaders and many Democrats in the country thinking Joe Biden was going to lose to Trump, which was what the polls all showed, and therefore thinking that he should be replaced. Okay, wait a minute, wait a minute. Hold on, hold on a second. She's. She does this, like, whenever she's lost, like hold on. Just hold on. She's talking to herself. She.

[John Ashbrook]

She does the Alex Trebek.

[Comfortably Smug]

The.

[John Ashbrook]

What is a black queer woman? It's, like, supposed to be the. Out on this.

[Megyn Kelly]

Nobody knows anything. She says, again, she's talking to herself. Nobody knows what would have happened. She goes on. Millions of people who showed up in 2020 didn't show up in 2024. We can't forget that. There was an incumbency issue as well. This is real. There are, like, several G10 countries with incumbents who did not get reelected. There was an incumbency issue as well. And then Isaac speaks for us all.

[Peter Spector]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm not sure what you're saying.

[Peter Spector]

Yeah. Okay, so, Megan, Megan, this is my favorite exchange here. At the end of that answer that KJP gives. Again, this is a professional communications expert, somebody who is at the lectern every day of the Biden administration, and she has this whole run up about how Biden was still qualified, should have been the candidate. And then she proceeds to undermine her entire argument by saying, you know, other G12, you know, leaders lost because of their incumbency. And it's like.

[Megyn Kelly]

But all the.

[Peter Spector]

So then what is the point you're trying to make? Makes no sense.

[Megyn Kelly]

So he was going to lose. That's the point. He was going to lose, which is why the Democrats wanted him out. Could have been for incumbency, could have been for frailty, but they all thought he was going to lose. Okay, I'm not sure what you're saying. And then here we go. No, no, no, no, no. Wait a minute, wait a minute.

[Comfortably Smug]

Amazing.

[Megyn Kelly]

She's not used to it. Spinning out of control, Right? She's like, I am usually in control at the lectern, and I can control my inanity.

[Comfortably Smug]

And.

[Megyn Kelly]

And there's only so much cross examination I'm subjected to. Okay, you're saying that this was their thinking, that they were kind of predicting, but nobody knew what was going to happen. No one knew that Joe Biden was going to win in 2020, and no one knew it was going to happen in 2024. People believed in their hearts that Kamala was going to win. They believed it. They saw the polling, and they thought she was going to win. Looking at the polling, nobody knew anything. I'm only bringing up the polls because you brought up the polls to me.

[Comfortably Smug]

What?

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, no one knows. Literally nobody knows. Then Isaac says, you said you were speaking as a black woman who's part of the LGBTQ community. And I think people were very. I'm talking about in this moment too, I do not feel seen. I have not been seen in the party because they are throwing the LGBTQs under the bus. Really?

[John Ashbrook]

Because of Joe Biden.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. They're not fighting it up for migrants and immigrants. You have to be a big tent party. You have to fight for everyone. Back to Isaac. I'm just still trying to understand.

[Comfortably Smug]

I just. This.

[Josh Holmes]

I've never heard this part of the interview. She's saying, I'm not being seen. She's literally on camera talking about a book that she wrote titled Independent how she's different from the Democrat.

[Comfortably Smug]

Like, you don't understand, dude. So she explains to him that she's a black queer. Yeah.

[John Ashbrook]

She pushed the button.

[Comfortably Smug]

Among their superpowers is invisibility, so she can't be seen.

[John Ashbrook]

At times there's a question that should be the.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's supposed to get down on his knees. He's all tough questionings, stops. And you're supposed to genuflect because she said the magic words. This has been life for her in her, and I quote, chocolate skin. This is. Are you. Hand to God. Hand to God. My audience is my witness. That's another KJP quote from her tour. Okay.

[Josh Holmes]

This is so much better than the clips that people put out on Twitter. Megan. This is golden content and only brought to you on the Megan Kelly Show.

[John Ashbrook]

Smug often talks about his mocha. Yes.

[Comfortably Smug]

So I feel unseen to my mocha skin.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm. I'm vanilla. I. I'm Madagascar vanilla.

[Comfortably Smug]

There you go.

[Megyn Kelly]

Folks at Cowboy Col Colostrum say. Okay. So he's like, it's a thing. It's an actual product. Okay, okay. They made the vanilla sound more exotic by putting the word Madagascar in front of us. Here we go. You. He's like, I'm still trying to understand. He goes through a wind up and he says, you're talking about Biden like loyalty was owed to him. Isn't loyalty owed to the country? No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not talking about that. I'm saying this is not how you treat somebody. So now she says, I'm not talking about loyalty. I refer you back to the part I told you to remember the very first answer she gave. I call it a betrayal. It's a betrayal. And then he says, you're talking about Biden like loyalty was owed to him. No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm not talking about that. I'm not not talking about loyalty. I'm saying this is not how you Treat somebody. Poor Isaac is holding on by his fingernails. And then he says, is this a matter of how you treat someone or a matter of putting the country first? See, he's keeping it at the third grade level so she can follow poor guy's thinking. He's actually going to get a clear answer at some point. Then here she goes. Here she goes. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait. This is her trick, right? Like, this is her thing. Wait. Treating somebody with dignity is not the same as loyalty. What? You're the one who said it was a betrayal. I mean, the way he was treated. I had never. If, if you had seen something like that in the Democratic Party, Please, please, please point it out. So what was an example of the way he was treated? It was nasty articles that were coming out daily. Go back and see for yourself. You're writing the articles, right? You should go back and see for yourself. It was a campaign. It was even reported that it was a campaign. So you think asking him to step aside was okay, but there shouldn't have been nasty articles? He's trying.

[John Ashbrook]

Well, here's the thing. This is. Let's pause on this for a second because Ash Brooks got a great bit on this, and it's why she knows it came from within. There was nasty articles or whatnot. Because nasty articles about a Democrat, particularly a Democrat who's president. United States, do not exist unless they come from other Democrats. Right, John?

[Josh Holmes]

Right. It's. It's axiomatic in the legacy media. They only attack a Democrat when a second Democrat stands to benefit.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yep, yep.

[Megyn Kelly]

So true.

[John Ashbrook]

Katie. She's done the math on that part.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's Katie Porter. That's why she got that as those tough questions by that CBS gal. Because it's an open primary, lots of other Democrats. Let's get rid of her now. She's weak. That's the only time they ever face the questions. Okay, so she's so he's like, okay, so you're saying asking him to step aside was okay, but there shouldn't have been nasty articles? Look, what I'm saying is it shouldn't have happened that way. Then he says, but it should have happened or it shouldn't have happened. He's truly. He's like, good. My dog Strudwick could follow this. She says, wait, can you predict what she says now? She's really. She's resorting two things, Black and queer. And what's her other favorite thing to do at the beginning of these answers?

[John Ashbrook]

No, no, no.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Wait, wait, Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. She says, wait, wait. Just wait. I don't think it should have happened. Then she. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I believe we should have fought to make sure Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won. That's what I believed. Then he says, okay, polling was pretty accurate. Blah, blah, blah. He says, so you have no concern, even to this day, that Joe Biden could serve as President through January 2029? I did not see anything that would have given me concern. But you watched TV like the rest of us, right? And then she says this. I always couch it with this. Of course, he was older. And I love the filler. Like, you'll have to excuse my lie. I'm about to tell you because I always deliver this lie. It's my chosen lie.

[John Ashbrook]

I have to buy and think of what the lie actually is. So let me preface it with entire prefix where I.

[Megyn Kelly]

Still thinking totally, homes. I've got 10 filler words that will cue me to deliver my favorite lie. And here. Now, here I will. Of course, he was aging. He mentioned it. He talked about not speaking as well as he used to, not walking as well as he used to. I saw him every single day at his White House as his White House press secretary. And he was someone that was engaged on top of policy, challenging his staff. I mean, challenging Kari Jabir. That I believe. Then he says, one could conceivably think that he could do the job through January 2025, meaning the end of his first term, but that it was not wise to think he could do the job through January 2029. Right. It's not my place to say. Oh, what?

[Comfortably Smug]

Oh, my God.

[John Ashbrook]

It was her place to say. She was literally the spokesperson for that thing.

[Comfortably Smug]

That's incredible.

[Megyn Kelly]

And she just got done talking about.

[Josh Holmes]

Yeah, talking about how he got the short ship because he wasn't the. He wasn't the candidate. Now, it's not my place to say whether he could do the job.

[Peter Spector]

Okay, one thing.

[Josh Holmes]

Conversation.

[Peter Spector]

The thing that is most wild about all of this, just to take it back to the highest level, is the book is called Independent, and she. She is Joe Biden's most loyal soldier. It makes us sense.

[John Ashbrook]

Nothing independent about any of it.

[Josh Holmes]

I don't want it to stop.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's not my place. Oh, and it's. Then it reads, inside a broken White House. And now she said twice in her book tour that she's talking about the Trump White House. Oh, boy. She's talking about inside the Trump White House, which, like everything around this woman makes no Sense.

[Comfortably Smug]

Amazing.

[Megyn Kelly]

She's not talking about that.

[Peter Spector]

Did this.

[Comfortably Smug]

Did the book publishers hate her to let this get out there? Were they like, we want everyone to make fun of you forever?

[John Ashbrook]

I have a feeling that they. They had some kind of a signing bonus. And they're like, hey, dude, let's see what happens.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yeah.

[Josh Holmes]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

They're another Mike Donald.

[Comfortably Smug]

They're like, there's a reason rubberneck.

[Peter Spector]

There's a reason people rubberneck at car crashes. You know, I mean, it's that whole. It's that whole saying of, you know, better to be thought of as a fool than to open your mouth and, you know.

[Josh Holmes]

Yeah.

[Peter Spector]

You know, I mean, that's. That's her entire problem.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, well, who. Who are we kidding? All five of us are going out to buy this book today. I mean, that's obvious. It's just a bestseller, so we're. We're stuck on. It's. It's not my place to say whether he could have actually done the job for a second term. And then here goes. Isaac, what do you mean it's not your place to say? And then, gentlemen, what does she say next? I'll give you a gu. No, no, no, wait.

[Comfortably Smug]

This is so unreal.

[Megyn Kelly]

Wait, wait, wait. I'm answering the question. I did not see anything that would cause me concern. That is my answer. Except the debate and the other things that everyone saw, says Isaac.

[Josh Holmes]

Right?

[Megyn Kelly]

Like, he's on it. Like, you saw the damn debate. You saw him falling down. You saw him tripping. You saw him losing his train of thought. You saw him saying dead people were alive. That's me. He didn't ask her that way. He kept it simple for Strudwick. Except the debate and the other things that everyone saw. What I'm saying to you is the debate for me was one time. I had never seen him like that before. Okay, we go on, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. Then he says, I'm just a little surprised that you don't see what so many people, including so many Democrats, saw. I'm not the only person who feels this. I'm just the one speaking very loudly. I'm the person who's saying the quiet thing out loud. What.

[Peter Spector]

What's the.

[John Ashbrook]

What's the quiet thing?

[Megyn Kelly]

Out.

[John Ashbrook]

That's just a cliche that doesn't fit in this amazing.

[Comfortably Smug]

Like, this is such a damning indictment on dei. Like, there is no greater example of what happens. Like, it is truly the, like, soft bigotry of low expectations. This woman has no business writing a book, let alone being the spokesperson for the President of the United States of America, this is what happens. And then she always falls back on as an unseen queer black woman. Lgbtq. We have come to the end of an era where people have opened up their eyes and realized this is what you get. She can't answer a question, she can't write a book. She can't be the spokesperson for the President United States.

[John Ashbrook]

But it's also the training. It's the training ground of Democrat communicators. In that I am certain this is an out of body experience for her because for the first time in her life, she's sitting, I think. Is it an MSNBC interview?

[Peter Spector]

No, it's New York Mag.

[Megyn Kelly]

New York Mag with the New Yorker.

[Josh Holmes]

The New Yorker.

[John Ashbrook]

Okay. Well, it's same difference, same thing. But like, the point is, is that somebody who is a New Yorker columnist is asking her real questions. She's like, you don't understand. That's not your job. I told you I was a black queer woman. Why are we still into this?

[Megyn Kelly]

You know, you don't appear to be down on your knees.

[John Ashbrook]

Yeah, I mean, this is, this is what they are used to. This is just the way a corporate media has worked for generations of Democrats.

[Josh Holmes]

Right. And it makes Democrats soft. They learn all the wrong lessons. They feel like the media is actually their press office. And if you talk to reporters and these guys make fun of me because I have journo buddies, but what the journo buddies all tell me is that if you, if, when you take a call from one of these Democrat press secretaries, the expectation is that you will write the story the exact way they want it. And if they don't like the, the part portion of the speech that you pull out and put into the article that their boss said, if their boss gets mad at them, they get mad at the reporter. Because the expectation is this story must look like a press release or you're against our mission. You know, that's, that's the way they think. It's legitimately the way they think. It makes them.

[Megyn Kelly]

We can see what happened here. She got the job totally because of DEI, obviously. Then touted the DEI qualities the entire time from the lectern, then read 90% of the answer she ever gave the press corps at the press briefings and really did not sit for interviews as an independent person. She really gave only a couple like Vogue gave her the Vogue treatment. They don't ask tough questions, especially not of a Democrat like Karine Jean Pierre. So, like, she never actually had. Ironically, you know, given the position she had. She actually really never had to answer questions about what she thought. She really just had to struggle to get on the next, like, safe space, about what Biden's policies were, et cetera. And those were written out for her in her little briefing memo. So now some moronic publisher was like, she'll be great. The pressure. Everyone's gonna book her. She's used to talking to the media and that you have to imagine them all dying on the inside as each one of these goes down. All right, let's keep going, because there's still more wondrous stuff. Okay. I'm. I'm not the only one who feels this. I'm just. I'm the person saying the quiet thing out loud.

[Comfortably Smug]

Amazing.

[Josh Holmes]

So brave.

[Megyn Kelly]

They're. They're so brave. There's a silent minority of people out there who feel that Biden was taken advantage of. And most people don't want to.

[John Ashbrook]

Million dollars, by the way.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right.

[John Ashbrook]

Silent. The silent folks like a. Yeah. There's an $8 million paycheck attached to that opinion.

[Megyn Kelly]

Who feel that Biden was taken advantage of. And most people don't want to say it. Is that what you mean? Let. Let me just say this is my experience. My experience that I'm speaking to and what I saw. I just want to be very, very clear, on average. I just want to be clear on average. Not from one interview. Not from one debate. On average. On average. I have heard from many, many people. Many people. You just made fun of this. She did it. Many, many people who are disappointed by the reaction of the Democratic Party. I have. I have. And these are citizens. These are people who vote. Some of her best friends are disappointed in the same way Karine Jean Pierre was. Okay, keep going. Was it a concern of yours that Biden was not getting accurate information about the state of the race? I was not involved in the campaign. Blah, blah, blah. He says. The one thing in your book I was not expecting was that after Harris took over, you say you thought it was, quote, an insult to her, that people wanted an open convention. Can you talk about that? Yeah. I mean, look, look, you have to understand, I'm speaking also as a.

[John Ashbrook]

Queer woman.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. Black.

[John Ashbrook]

What is a black, queer woman?

[Megyn Kelly]

And what. I experienced myself as being a first. This is not just me. There are many black women who feel this way. We are the backbone of the party. We are on the front lines, and when it comes time to elevate us or hear us acknowledge our voice, we are largely ignored. It's Almost like they didn't want her. And so you have to understand the lens that I see that with. Right.

[Josh Holmes]

Funny that that doesn't translate to Winsome Sears.

[Megyn Kelly]

I feel that very viscerally, as do many in the black community and among black women, basically, what she's saying is, of which you are not a part, Isaac. So stop trying to shame me, whitey, because you don't understand the black woman experience. Everything I've said is understood by black people, just not you.

[Comfortably Smug]

And that is just. Again, this goes back to the DEI thing. This is the weirdest thing that's been happened. And also for. For. For liberal white people, this, like, strange thing of believing that just because someone's a minority, they have some kind of, like, magical ability in some way that only they can discuss among each other. Guess what? All humans have brains. And to be like, you don't understand because I have a lived experience as a black queer woman. You're also a person. You're also an American.

[John Ashbrook]

Yeah.

[Comfortably Smug]

So for them to have run this game for so long where you can become the spokesperson for the President of the United States not on qualifications, but on immutable characteristics. First off, that just spits on everything Martin Luther King Jr. Fought for. It's not the content of her character that got her there. It's she checked the right boxes and.

[Megyn Kelly]

The party believes she knows it. Yeah, she's. She's well aware. All right, wait, let's let me keep going because there's some more goodness coming our way. Then he says, well, one reason some people thought Harris should not be the nominee is that they did not think she could win. Which is why I was surprised to read in your book a little later on that quote. The truth was, I never really believed Harris could win because she's just gone on about how, like, it's a black thing. They didn't want Harris and they wanted an open convention because they hate black people. And he's like, you read in your book, you didn't think she could win. This is amazing. That's why I'm a little confused when you say it was an insult to try to get her off the ticket. You speak for us all, Isaac. Then she goes, okay, now this. I don't know what happens here. Okay, but two things should be true, right? She doesn't even have the saying. Right. Two things should be it. It's good. Let's see. Two things should be true, right? The thing that I say the second time actually proves the thing that I said the first time, right?

[John Ashbrook]

What the hell?

[Megyn Kelly]

Because it's a feeling that we have. It's a feeling that we have feelings. The reason I felt it is because of how we are treated as there it is.

[Peter Spector]

Black women.

[Megyn Kelly]

Black women. We are not elevated. We're not protected. We're not taken seriously. Seriously. She was the vice president, for heaven's sake. But the reality of it is being a black woman, Being black and being a woman. Being a woman and being black. She didn't add that last one. It's just tough. It's hard. It makes it harder. And she ran a fantastic campaign, but it wasn't good enough for some people. That is heartbreaking. Shouldn't you extend the same generosity to other people who didn't think she could win or that she was the best candidate? This is a book about my experience.

[Comfortably Smug]

Me.

[Megyn Kelly]

Hold on. Me. Okay. My experience. It's also attacking people with other opinions. Says Isaac. Yeah, but I have every right to talk about my experience and my perspective. And that's not taking away from others. Okay, now.

[John Ashbrook]

Which is. Wait, hold on. Which is why you all should have voted for 175 year old white man with a history of segregating school buses and crime bills in the year early 1990s.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's right. That would have been the non racist thing to do. That's true. That was the anti racist move. So what I was confused by was you saying that you did not think Harris could win, but then you attack other people who didn't seem to think Harris could win by saying they were insulting her. Yes. Yes, she acknowledges that. Well, again, I wish you could walk in my body and live my life. And then I think you could understand what I'm saying. I really do. Because I think any other black woman would understand what I am saying. What it truly is is that it wasn't just an open primary or a brokered convention. There was disrespect to her as well. It was discounting her in her position and who she was. That's what I. That's what it felt like. This is a very unique thing that I don't think anyone would understand unless you walked in our bodies and lived our lives. My feeling was not about her not being qualified. It was about people not being able to see past her being black and a woman. It's not that confusing for us because we live this life day in and day out. She still hasn't answered the question. And he says, sometimes I worry about losing sight of the fact that we're dealing with a presidential election here and the Feelings of Joe Biden are less important than the fate of the country. You're telling me about the feelings of Joe Biden, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But Joe Biden is out of the picture. He's out of the picture.

[Comfortably Smug]

What?

[Megyn Kelly]

And then he says, yeah, he sure is. She says, he's out of the picture now and we lost. Then he says, this is what you wrote your book about. I am not bringing this up randomly. No, I know, but you just said that to me. Right, right. So I'm just responding to it. He's out of the picture. He stepped down. He's out of the picture. We lost. The book, for me, is really about the moment that we're in. When I talk about the broken White House in the subtitle, I'm talking about the Trump White House. The Trump White House. What are the Democratic leadership actually doing to beat back and fight back back? I'm not here to answer for the Democrat leadership. You've been answering for the Democratic leadership. You were giving me their answers. I didn't talk to anyone in Democratic leadership. I was just trying to remember how I and others felt watching Biden in those weeks, that it felt like he was too old to be president for another four years and too old to win. And here's the thing. Here's the thing. That's your experience. That's the experience you had. End of interview.

[Josh Holmes]

Wow.

[Peter Spector]

Just a masterpiece.

[Comfortably Smug]

Can I say my favorite part, though? She was like, you don't understand. We don't support black women enough. And he was like, so you supported Kamala Harris being chosen over Biden? No.

[John Ashbrook]

You understand my lived experience as a black queer woman, which is why I supported Kamala, who decided that she couldn't put Pete Buttigieg on the question on the ticket because. Because he was gay.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's gay. That's right. Wow. A black and a woman and a gay. It's a no. According to Colin Harris.

[John Ashbrook]

10 of 10 content.

[Megyn Kelly]

10 of 10.

[Comfortably Smug]

Last question. Strudwick the dog. What breed is Strudwick? I have a question about that.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's very difficult. He's an English lab, like, with a big block head. And he is such a handful. He's. Well, let me put it to you this way. We put him his updates in my weekly newsletter that I send out to people on Fridays. And I think only once has Strudwick not been the most clicked on item. And it was the week Trump got shot. Okay, so that's how naughty my Strudwick is. But I think he could have understood the interview questions much more easily than Kareem Jarpier. I think everyone understands.

[Comfortably Smug]

Everyone's driving for Strudwick now.

[Megyn Kelly]

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[Megyn Kelly]

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[Megyn Kelly]

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[Peter Spector]

Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

The third comes out this Friday. It was with link Lauren, Mark Halperin and Glenn Beck and it you're going to laugh, you're going to be interested, you're going to learn new things. I think you're going to enjoy that one very much. Hits Friday and we have seven more dates still to go. Starting again next week, spending this weekend with the fam for Halloween and then we're back out on the road. You can get your tickets right [e-mail] would love, love, love to see you guys and we're having such a great time. Please do it and please come say hello. And I wanted to tell you we have a new name joining us at our Atlanta stop on November 8, MTG Marjorie Taylor Greene will be there. Really looking forward to that. She was such a pleasant surprise when she came on, I don't know, a month or two ago. She was awesome. Really enjoyed her come see MTG and yours truly along with a cast of stars, Adam Carolla will be there. John Rich will be there performing. And get your tickets right now. Okay, Megan Kelly.com and one more big announcement. Starting today by popular demand, you can get Megyn Kelly show merch. Yes, we have merch finally coming to the website. It's on the website right now, so you can check it out. Go to. It's not just Megan Kelly dot com. That's where you have info on the show. This one's called Shop Megan Kelly dot com. And can I tell you, it's taken us forever because I kept rejecting things that were submitted because I didn't think they were high quality enough. You can get T shirts made quickly, you can get hats made quickly. But I was like, no, no, no, no, no. I want the products to have the same high quality that the show does. That's what my audience is going to be expecting. And they do. They're beautiful. I have touched the products myself. I have rejected many betas for these, this ultimate collection. And now we have a great selection of T shirts. Some for the guys, some with like a slimmer fit. If you want that as a lady or as a man, who am I to judge talking to you? Link hats, sweatshirts, mugs, notebooks, whatever. My favorite thing, I actually don't have it here, but there's a. A coffee mug with the Devil may care media on it logo. And I have to tell you, I think it is such a good looking pair. I think you're gonna love it. So go check it out and enjoy. By the way, there's also, it's not just Megyn Kelly show merch there you can get MK Media merch, you can get MK True crime merch, all sorts of fun things depending on what your preference is and what you spend the most time watching. I guess for our YouTube audience, we have a QR code on your screen right now. That's what they're telling me. And so if you scan it, you can shop Megan Kelly.com right away. It'll take you right to Shop Megan Kelly. All right, so cannot wait to see what you guys like. If you have any creative ideas that you think we should consider and how you want to look in your Megyn Kelly merch and how you do look. Send us pictures, send us suggestions to Megan M e g y nagyankelly.com okay, welcome back and let's get on with the show before we leave. Karine Jean Pierre. I just did want to get this in. She had another negative experience because of Ashbrook's rule About how, you know now that you're no longer useful to us, we're not interested in protecting you. And she went over to msnbc where they have hired Elise Jordan, who is. She's got a background in on more on the right. It's kind of an interesting hire. And she did ask KJP about how she savaged special counsel Robert her, who did the special counsel report on Joe Biden's having classified documents at home. He was the one who said, well meaning elderly man with a poor memory, so I can't indict. And, you know, you'd think the Democrats would have taken that as the Christmas gift it was, but no. She savaged him from the White House podium, went after him, and Elise Jordan wanted to know if she had, you know, any thoughts on how wrong that was given what's happened. Here's how that went. And listen to the whole thing. Stop. 20. You said that his commentary was gratuitous, that it was unacceptable and it didn't live in reality. Robert Hur was unemployable. Have you apologized to Robert Her? I mean, look, what I can say to you is I've seen the. I saw the President every single day. Have you gone back to someone who he was, you had pretty sharp comments about. And we all saw a different reality in your personal capacity, saying is, is my reality was this. My reality was somebody that I saw every single day who was sharp.

[Peter Spector]

Do you have any regrets at all for anything that you said while you were speaking on behalf of this administration?

[Megyn Kelly]

I woke up every day very proud to be the White House press secretary. I woke up every day as a, as a black woman who is queer, who had never, no one had ever seen someone like me at that podium, standing behind that lectern. It was an honor and a privilege to have that job. Can you guys tell me, you guys tell me, as political, political operatives, isn't there some point at which somebody says to her, stop saying that, stop saying that.

[Comfortably Smug]

Only if you care about them. And I don't think she's surrounded by people who do. I think if someone cared about her, they would have told her years ago, you're not up for this. Why would you put yourself as the spokesperson? You're at the pinnacle of your profession. You're representing the President of the United States. That's the most powerful office you can have on the planet. If someone cared about her, they would have said, you're not built for this.

[Peter Spector]

Isn't that sort of a microcosm of the entire problem with The Biden presidency. Like you look at kjp, dude.

[Comfortably Smug]

That's right.

[Peter Spector]

In no normal world where a person like this end up with this book deal and do this media tour and be clown herself. It is a microcosm of the Biden presidency and I.

[John Ashbrook]

And over their heads from the, from the jump.

[Peter Spector]

I think a lot of it is just the wound they have from Obama passing over.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yes, dude, you're right.

[Peter Spector]

Biden. And so it created this cloistered environment, this small network of people who profited. Of course we've now learned to the tune of 8 mil bone if they somehow got across the finish line. But it created this insular and bunker bunker mentality within Biden world where they didn't have inputs from the rest of the normal world. And it led them do a lot of really foolish things.

[John Ashbrook]

Profoundly unqualified.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yeah, it was a wound and it was a chip on their shoulder because this, this, the entire Biden team is like the Obama fifth and sixth stringers. These were the like benchers of the benchers of the benchers. And so when Obama comes out and humiliates Joe right in front of the White House where he says it's gonna be Hillary, it's not gonna be this dude. He's a bit old. We all know this. That's where it started.

[Peter Spector]

Yeah.

[Comfortably Smug]

Where like the people who are around Biden, all the like super untalented Obama folks were like, okay, we gotta get together. And they basically treated that White House as like a get the money and run one situation.

[Michael Duncan]

Yeah.

[John Ashbrook]

I mean, that's the thing. I think the underlying motivation for an awful lot of these people was not like, what can we do for this country? What can we do for the people that are voting for us that are hoping that they can have a better life as a result of our policies? The underlying motivation is this is my one shot.

[Peter Spector]

Yeah.

[John Ashbrook]

I'm never going to get a shot like this. Because we've had Democratic administrations for eight long years that looked at me and thought I wouldn't be able to do it.

[Peter Spector]

How do I settle a score?

[John Ashbrook]

Yeah. So now I have a jump seat essentially on this ride that is Joe Biden. And I'll be damned if I'm gonna speak truth about what's going on here, because that's my ride.

[Comfortably Smug]

Bingo.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Well, I mean, honestly, like, I'm thinking about it because the overemphasis on identity has been going back a long way in the Democratic Party. What real qualifications did Barack Obama have to get the nomination and ascend to the presidency? What? He'd been a US Senator for, like, two years.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Prior to that, a short stint in Illinois politics. He gave a good organizing.

[Peter Spector]

It was the keynote. It was the keynote of the dnc.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, that was it. And Obama was good at oratory. That was the one thing that was real about him. He was good at oratory. He could deliver a speech. Now he's gotten kind of grading and drone striking weddings.

[Comfortably Smug]

You can't take that from the man. He has the high school.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, it's true.

[John Ashbrook]

That's true.

[Megyn Kelly]

And then Michelle Obama, who was, like, elevated to being, like, the be all, end all. Oh, my God, Michelle, like, what she says is gospel. Why? Again, because she had a short stint as a lawyer at, like, a fine but, like, not that great law firm in Chicago. Like, that's it. So now she's like, the mother of us all. Now we have to listen to Michelle Obama's every word because.

[Comfortably Smug]

Is her podcast still on the air? I think she's literally five listeners. Does she. Is she still doing her. She throwing the towel?

[Megyn Kelly]

Smug. It's on the air. It gets her clips get less than 2,000.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yeah.

[Peter Spector]

You know what I love about doing Megan's show is like, Megan has the receipt. And when she's like, not a great law firm in Chicago.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's fine. It was fine, but they were better. I'm just gonna say. And I worked in Chicago for five years as a lawyer, so here's Michelle Obama. This is why she's on my mind. She's now, you know, remember she just, like, literally 10 days ago, she was out there complaining about how famous she is, and she's very annoyed at her fame, and she. She hates going into restaurants, and people are always looking at her. So what do you do? You start a podcast, a video, a YouTube show, and also debut a new book all about your quote Look. It's about her look and her amazing fashion sense. Yeah. Because she hates fame and apparently money, too. Tell me if you.

[Comfortably Smug]

Bro.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, it's called Look Michelle Obama. By the way, if you take one look at Michelle Obama on her actual podcast, she has the fashion sense of this pen. I mean, honestly, there's nothing there. Whoever dressed her for that cover did a good job when she was first lady. She had a couple of moments, but she has a terrible sense of fashion when she's in her real. Sorry. It's just true. Most of the time, she looks like she's wearing burlap. So she gets out there, she's promoting her new book, the look, and see if you can sense something familiar in this promo. SOT15. It's the look. My new book. It is here. I am so excited about this project. I can't wait to share it with you all. This book is about so much more than the beautiful pictures. This book talks about the importance of diversity and inclusion and sharing a space. It's about person. It's about how what we share is an armor that suits us up and gets us ready to face the challenges of the day.

[Peter Spector]

It feels like this is the thing that offends me so much about what we just watched from Michelle Obama. And then also KJP's commentary about how she felt unseen as a black woman. It feels like we're being gaslit.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yep.

[Peter Spector]

You know, as an elder millennial, you know, I remember a time where Oprah was the most popular woman in all of America, and Beyonce is, like, the number one selling. Yeah, like. Like, I don't think think black women are unseen in America.

[John Ashbrook]

Well, we grew up in an era where our heroes were all black men and women. They just were. Right.

[Peter Spector]

Michael Jordan.

[John Ashbrook]

I mean, like, all the athletes, all the singer, all the performer, all the. All the heroes of my growing up were all black. And all of a sudden, now we've entered a stage where they have to, like, code speak about what it is that they are seeking to communicate, and especially black women.

[Megyn Kelly]

I. I just thought you don't hear black men doing this. I mean, maybe there are occasionally, but it's mostly black women who are just dying to hit you with their identity. Like, I got multiple. What do they call it? Intersectional. Right. And if you can add in the queer for good measure, so much the better. But, like, obsessing around it. Go ahead. Smug.

[Comfortably Smug]

I think that actually bothered a lot of black men who did notice that, because you saw in 2024, a lot of them did then went and voted for Trump. I think Americans, by and large, are sick of this. And especially when it comes to Michelle Obama. I don't think she gets enough flack for when she had that line, she was like, every day I wake up in a house built by slaves. It's like every day you wake up in the White House. Yeah, dude, that's the parent of the planet. Yeah. Congratulations. Now you get to have Netflix deals and book deals, and you get to talk about how my book deals is about space. And it's the look. It's like how much of this, like, you know, progressive language is like, you know those cardboard books for baby where it's like, baby wakes up you are in your space. You are a little baby. These, like, very simple sentences, like the.

[Megyn Kelly]

Way we speak to Karine Jean Pierre. Seriously, it's like the books are reading to Joe Biden. So of course she's got to tout the identity. It's just like the through line. All right, I'm going back on the subject of lying liars who lie, mostly Democrats. And that brings me to Zoran Mumdani and the disgusting lie he appears to have told about his aunt. There's so many disgusting things about this clip that's kind of the least disgusting thing, but it is a lie. Here he is also part of the lie was his fake crying. Where's the tear? Show me the tear. Any man who's actually crying and, like, choking up, like, can't get through the sentence would have an actual tear because, like, it would have to be that level for him to actually be choked up and, like, stopping a speech. There's not a tear. He's actually faking. He's acting, and it's despicable. Here it is sought for.

[Comfortably Smug]

Want to use this moment to speak to the Muslims of New York City.

[Megyn Kelly]

He looks down, can't see it. Don't look at his eyes.

[Comfortably Smug]

I want to speak to the memory of my aunt.

[John Ashbrook]

Oh, my God.

[Megyn Kelly]

Barely get it out.

[Comfortably Smug]

Who's shot taking the subway after September 11th because she did not feel safe in her hijab.

[Megyn Kelly]

She did not feel safe in her hijab. All right, It's.

[Comfortably Smug]

It's insane.

[Josh Holmes]

I'm. Everybody wearing blue jeans on the subway didn't feel safe after September 11th. There's nothing special about this Ugandan who's running for mayor of New York.

[Comfortably Smug]

He's lying.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, also, like, there's no aunt. Okay, first of all, there is no aunt. Yeah, there's. There's one actual aunt who is dead and she lives in a totally different country. Then there was a cousin. There was a cousin who I guess now he's saying, oh, he misidentified her as an aunt. And it's unclear whether she ever wore a hijab or rode the subway at all. But isn't the real issue here that if you are going to talk about 9 11, you must start no matter who you are, but especially if you want to be the mayor of New York with the nearly 3,000 people, Americans, who were killed by radical Islamic terrorists that day. That's the issue, Zoran. Not your fake invented ante.

[Comfortably Smug]

That's the thing, is this is like the Norm MacDonald. He had that joke, like, I Hope ISIS never blows up nuclear bomb within the United States. Imagine what would happen to the innocent radical Muslims after. Like this is, is for someone who's running to be mayor of New York City. And next year is going to be the 25th anniversary of that attack. And all signs point towards it's going to be overseen by Zoran Muhammadani, someone who wanted to globalize the intifada. I think New York is getting what it deserves because this is what these voters have wanted. They've pushed for the city to get worse. They're going to get what they deserve.

[John Ashbrook]

Last week showed up with the unindicted co conspirator. The 1993 World Trade center bomb.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's not conspirator, but the guy did that. But the imam did testify for the blind sheikh at his terrorist trial. The guy bombed the first World Trade Center. Andy McCarthy was the prosecutor. He wrote an article saying we didn't, we actually weren't considering him an unindited co conspirator but he was totally supportive of the people who bombed the World Trade Center. And Zoram Hamdani is all arms with him. Buddy, buddy, arms around each other, laughing. Just a couple weeks ago, calling him a pillar of the community.

[Comfortably Smug]

Another thing. So I saw a statistic where following the events of September 11th across the United States and in New York City, they did polling, the approval rating for Muslim Americans has gone up significantly among conservatives, among liberals across America and in New York City. And all a result of that is you have these left wing candidates running on how everyone's mean to Muslims, everyone's mean to Muslims, everyone's mean to Muslims. We welcome these people into our country with the promise that this is the land of opportunity. Join this nation, be a member of this society and you can succeed. And what has his, ever since he's come here, what has his stake been? This is a horrible nation and it treats me so bad.

[Peter Spector]

Okay, so this is the most fascinating thing I think about, you know, radical leftism and radical Islam and these democratic socialists in America is that you have a lot of these people who come to this country and they blame America as being a country that's oppressive, broken right settler, colonialism. Of course they choose to settle in America.

[John Ashbrook]

Yeah.

[Comfortably Smug]

Which is right.

[Peter Spector]

And then in the United States they want to sit here and tell us how wrong we are and how much we have to change. That is sort of the fascinating inversion of our values as Americans that some of these people do. And I mean it's, it's Mamdani's dad himself, who is an anti colonialist professor or whatever who gets paid lots of money to. To be a professor in American universities. It's not. He's not back in Uganda trying to do anti colonialism. He's here in the United States trying to change America.

[John Ashbrook]

Yeah.

[Peter Spector]

Think about how whacked that is.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, but here's. Here's the New York Post points out there was no wave of anti Muslim hate crimes following 9 11. No, not in New York or anywhere else. Americans behave themselves with class and dignity and restraint even though they'd been brutally attacked by these Jihadi terrorists. Okay, like. Like his friend who. Like the. The. The. The friends of his favorite imam who tried to bomb the World Trade center the first time and kill thousands of Americans. This pillar of the community, the. The Post pointing out that the. The ante. The fake auntie may have had such fears, but only because activist outfits like the Radical Council on the American Islamic Islamic Relations care, we all know them, instantly began warning of rising Islamophobia in the wake of the attacks. So maybe she was spun up by a group. Zoran Mamdani loves care. But it wasn't by actual New Yorkers who were the victims, you cretin, not perpetrators. If there was any anti something bias, it was anti American hatred by Muslims. Zoran. It wasn't Americans hating Muslims even though they had great cause to following September 11th. And here's just a couple more. Okay. And that you mentioned. The father. Okay, the father who's a professor at Columbia, Zoran Mamdani's father. He wrote in his 2004 book, Good Muslim, Bad Muslim America, the Cold War and the Roots of Terror. Quote, we need to recognize the suicide bomber first and foremost as a category of soldier. Quote. Suicide bombing needs to be understood as a feature of modern political violence rather than stigmatized as a mark of barbarism.

[Comfortably Smug]

My God.

[Megyn Kelly]

That's the person who raised Zoran Mamdani. This alone is a deal breaker. This man cannot be the mayor of New York City. He cannot be the mayor of New York City. Vote for Cuomo. I'm sorry, I don't like Andrew Cuomo at all. I've said it every time. I can't stand the man. The nursing homes, the sex pest stuff, the arrogance. I don't care. Zoran Mamdani cannot be our next mayor.

[Josh Holmes]

Yeah.

[John Ashbrook]

I think the biggest problem you have is that Mamdani, like Gavin Newsom, is a perfect embodiment of today's Democratic Party where they have these extreme radical beliefs that are, you know, Even in a left leaning place, probably pretty radically outside the mainstream, that would get you elected, but they're shape shifters. And like that clip that you played of Mandani doing the tear, fake tear thing, I mean, you put them on a red carpet and give him an Oscar for something like that. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my entire life. The woman that he's talking about doesn't exist in real life and he moved to tears over it.

[Comfortably Smug]

That's the thing is none of it exists. This bigotry, this America is a racist, horrific nation. None of that exists. Everything that the left is pushing is an entire lie. But I'm going to disagree with you completely and take the opposite side. Said, don't support Cuomo, vote for Sliwa. Sure, he's gonna lose and Mamdani's gonna win, but New York's gonna get what they want. They're gonna get what they deserve.

[Megyn Kelly]

I hear you. But if they get out of control.

[Comfortably Smug]

President Trump can send in the feds. New York has to get a lot worse. The people there have to suffer.

[Megyn Kelly]

Muslims taking over New York City, but.

[Comfortably Smug]

That'S what they want. That's what all the liberal voters, the Upper west side, is gonna line up around the block to vote for Zoran Mandani. They deserve it.

[Peter Spector]

And I would just say, you know, this guy who testified, this imam who testified at the Blind Shakes trial, I would, I would remind everyone, especially like the younger listeners of this, that when Ramsey Yousef was put in shackles and he was in a helicopter after he was arrested, he was over the World Trade Center. And what he said was, if I had more explosives, we would have taken down those buildings. And to think now, all of these years later, that we're going to elect somebody who is a compatriot to these people is such a disgusting thing. In New York, I don't think Islamophobia as, as it's, as hurled at us is a, is, is really not a thing.

[John Ashbrook]

It's not a thing.

[Comfortably Smug]

Not real.

[Megyn Kelly]

Islamophobia is a made up term meant to silence critics of Islam. Critics of Islam are onto something. Islam is incompatible with, with Western values.

[Peter Spector]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

Period.

[Comfortably Smug]

And that's why I'm gonna say again and again, New York's getting what it deserves. Those people are gonna vote for things to get so bad they voted for de Blasio again. They had the chance to correct that. And I don't believe it's the job of conservatives or Republicans to save those people from themselves to Be like, well, I guess we got a side with Cuomo. Nope. We've tried so many times in here. I ran so many elections there. If the people want to suffer, you have to let them suffer. It's not like there's gonna be a point where they realize, wow, things have gotten bad after Zorin, I guess, Vote for Republican. They will never, ever. The left has never once course, corrected and been like, you know what? It was a mistake doing gender surgery on kids. 10 years from now, 20 years from now, when we see that right in front of our eyes, they still will not retreat. They never go back.

[Megyn Kelly]

I hear you.

[Comfortably Smug]

This is what the industry.

[Megyn Kelly]

New York City is the gem of the United States. It is our. It's by far the greatest city in the world. It just is. It's one thing to lose Dearborn, Michigan. It's one thing to lose Minneapolis. I'm not happy about those either. But it's quite another to lose New York City to radical Islam. We cannot let it happen. I mean, I don't. I'm there all the time. I'm in the city. My kids are in the city. My family's in the city. I've grown up as a New Yorker. 50 of my years were spent in the state of New York and 17 of them in Manhattan. This cannot fucking happen. This guy can't win. It's one thing to go socialist. I was with you on that. But the more I have seen how radical Zoram Mamdani is on the Muslim thing, the more I. We cannot have it. This guy genuinely scares me. He has to be stopped. And that is why I uttered the words last week and just again now, that I never, ever would think I would or utter, which is I would vote for Cuomo if I were still in the city. And I hope people vote for Cuomo. I. I'd like Sliwa. I like Sliwa. He can't win. He's had a shot. He's down now, according to the latest poll, under 10%. And Cuomo actually has had a surge since Eric Adams bailed out. They're within 10 points of each other. With Sliwa in, there's a chance he could stop him, and he has to be stopped politically.

[Peter Spector]

Megan, can I ask you one question, though? And this is the thing that frustrates me about the state of this race is like, why wasn't there some patriot, some independent businessman who stepped up and said, I want to do something about this? And nobody did. And that's what's so disheartening is like, what our choice is the guy who put grandmas into facilities that got them killed during COVID or Sliwa. And it's just very depressing to me that nobody had the courage to step up and see this for what it was.

[Comfortably Smug]

That age of New York is gone. We remember how tremendous the Bloomberg years were. The city was safe, the trains ran on time. And then what did they do? They're like, this guy, he did stop and frisk. He's a Nazi.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Comfortably Smug]

And now then they got de Blasio and now look at where they are. They get what they deserve. It had its chance. They saw responsible leadership and they said no. They turned on it. This is a radicalized left wing party. They are gonna get what they deserve and they will never learn from their mistakes.

[Megyn Kelly]

You're not wrong. You're not wrong. I just, I still, you know, I'm holding out hope. Those are the things I'm gonna be telling myself the day after the election. Smug, if mom, Donnie wins. But before he's actually done it, I'm on a different page. I do want to say this. Okay. I'm so angry about the Mamdani attempt to make 911 because it's the best.

[Comfortably Smug]

City on the planet. It's incredible.

[Megyn Kelly]

And. But the nerve of him trying to take 911 and make it about Islamophobia is.

[John Ashbrook]

Yeah, it's incredible.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay. My team put this together because, you know, I was at Fox News. I started Fox News, started news in 2003 in Washington D.C. which was also hit on 9 11. And I started at Fox in 2004. So three years after 9 11. And a lot of my colleagues, like Greg Kelly were over there on tanks, reporting as we were invading and covered so many, so many deaths of American service personnel who went over there and sacrificed everything in these wars. That's what 911 is about. What happened that day with the 2,977 people killed and the firefighters and the cops especially, but everyone. And then all of the U.S. service personnel who were killed, thousands of them in the years thereafter, he gets up there and wants to make about Islamophobia for a fake aunt. So we pulled this because every year we cover 911 and we give it its due because it's personal for a lot of us. And here's just a couple. Okay. What you didn't hear from Zoram Mamdani was anything about Kevin Cosgrove. I'm gonna play you a soundbite from Kevin cosgrove. He was 46 years old. He Was from Long Island, West Islip. He was a husband. He was a father of three. His oldest son was 12. And he had two others as well. He was a vice president at Aon Corporation. He was on the 105th floor of the South Tower. He called 911 to try to get help for himself and his trapped colleagues. And we've got the sound bite night. Let's take a listen to it.

[Michael Duncan]

Lady. There's three of us in this office. We're not ready to die. But it's getting bad. What are you guys up to? We're getting there. We're getting there. Doesn't feel like it, man. I got young kids. I understand that, sir. We're on the way. We have everything. I know you do, but it doesn't seem like it. We got. You got lots of people up here. And then you got on the top smoke rises.

[Megyn Kelly]

We're on the top. Smoke rises too. We're on the floor. We're in the window. Can barely breathe now.

[Michael Duncan]

Cancer center windows.

[John Ashbrook]

Yep.

[Megyn Kelly]

That is what happened when Kevin Cosgrove was killed on 9 11, 2001. That day is about him. It's about the others who perished in the most unimaginable, painful, horrific way possible due to radical jihadis. Radical Islam. It is not about some fake invented ant. It is not about Islamophobia. And no one can be mayor of New York City who doesn't understand that and prioritize that narrative. And those victims guys, 100%.

[John Ashbrook]

I mean, look, it's a deeply. For those of us who live through it. I mean, I was an intern in Washington, dc, and my brother's subway stop was World Trade Center. And, you know, for those of you who live through it, you couldn't. You had no cell service. And so our parents knew our two locations and didn't know what the situation was because they couldn't call us and talk to us. But I remember the profound sense of gratitude for the country. Within hours where I went down to the Mall and down by the Capitol and there were Republicans and Democrats alike that held a vigil where they were singing. And the sense of American solidarity was so real in that we're all in this together and we're going to confront whatever this is. And we didn't know at the time together as a nation. And we had that opportunity to do it as a. As a fundamental. And I just. It's hard for me having that memory be the. I mean, it's basically the reason I got into politics in the first place. But it's hard for me to fast forward 25 years and see somebody like Zoran Mandani who's hanging out with people and promoting people who wanted and wished that day upon America. And then to see Americans actually go down that path. You know, it was a little concerning to see here about the Michigan problem that Democrats talked about when they. Which was the reason why Kamala Harris couldn't define Oct. 7 as a terrorist attack against the state of Israel because they had this huge constituency. It's quite another when the largest city in America and like you said, the crown jewel could forget that. That day.

[Megyn Kelly]

He was 10 on 9 11. And I guess he. He's decided he has no obligation to actually study up on what that day was actually like. He talks about in a campaign speech he offered back in 2020 what it was like for him as a young boy. And even then in this speech in 2020, he was the victim. Listen to this side.

[Comfortably Smug]

Eight on 9 11, when my teacher pulled me out of school, pulled me out of class, rather a classmate of mine, myself, and told us that we may get bullied because of what had just happened. We didn't understand what had happened. And in fact we were very lucky to have a teacher and as kind and caring. Is that because most Muslim students did not have that?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, it's about the possible but never actual bullying of Zoram Mamdani and other Muslim children. That didn't happen. We were worried about our loved ones. We were licking our wounds. We were looking for people for months on end. Our firefighters were digging us out in the midst of toxic dust that has killed far more firefighters post 911 that were then were killed on 911 because they've died of cancers and other horrible illnesses, many of whom are still struggling. Zoran, it's not about you and your fucking imaginary bullying. I have one more I've got to do with you guys or just two more. Two more. Melissa Doi, 32 years old from the Bronx. She was an only child. She lived with her mom. She loved dancing. She was in the south tower of the World Trade Center. The right wing of the aircraft had ripped through the 83rd floor where her office was located. She worked for a financial systems group she called 91 1. And here is part of that exchange.

[Michael Duncan]

Are they going to be able to get somebody up here? Of course, man. We're coming up for you. Well, there's no one here yet. And the floor is completely engulfed. We're on the floor and we can't breathe. And it's very, very, very Hot.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's very.

[Michael Duncan]

Is it all the lights still on? The lights are on, but it's very hot, ma'.

[Peter Spector]

Am.

[Megyn Kelly]

Ma'. Am.

[Michael Duncan]

Very hot. We're all the way on the other side of Liberty and it's very, very hot. There is smoke. I can't breathe. Okay, you stay calm with me.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay? I understand.

[Michael Duncan]

I think there is fire because it's very hot.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay.

[Michael Duncan]

It's very hot everywhere.

[Comfortably Smug]

On the floor.

[Michael Duncan]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Say your. I'm going to die, ma'.

[Josh Holmes]

Am, Ma'.

[Peter Spector]

Am.

[Michael Duncan]

Say your prayers. And we're not. We're going to think positive because you got to help each other. Get off the floor now. Die and know. Stay calm, stay calm, stay calm, stay calm. You're doing a good job, ma'.

[Comfortably Smug]

Am.

[Michael Duncan]

You're doing a good job. I'm so hot. I'm burning up.

[Megyn Kelly]

She spelled out the last name of her mother. She asked the dispatcher to set up a three way call. That wasn't possible, but the dispatcher did tell her to say whatever she wanted to say. And. And Melissa said, tell my mom she was the best mother a person could have. That I love her with all my heart and soul, that I will see her in the next world. Her remains were found three years later. And then there's this woman, Marcy Borders, known as the woman covered in dust. Everyone has seen this photo. She was only 28 on 9 11. You can't tell how old she is because she's literally covered in World Trade center toxic dust from head to toe. She was from Bayonne, New Jersey. She worked for bank of America in the North Tower. After the plane hit, she evacuated. She got out. It took her an hour to get down the store, the steps. She got out of the tower just as the south tower fell. A man pulled her out of the dust cloud, dragged her into the lobby of a nearby building. And that's where Stan Honda, a photographer, captured an image of her completely covered in dust from the building collapse. The built. The image became so well known and so widely distributed that Borders became known as, quote, the Dust Lady. She said she never recovered from the trauma of the attack. She was frightened of tall buildings and planes. In April 2011, she checked herself into rehab. A week later, the news broke about the death of Osama bin Laden. She said that event helped her in returning to sobriety and she felt able to move on from the events of 911 again. That was in 2011. Ten years later, in 2014. So three years after she got sober, she was diagnosed with stomach Cancer. She believed it was triggered by the toxic dust. She died from cancer on August 24, 2015. She was 48 years old. Eight children died on 9 11, all aboard the planes. The youngest victim was two and a half years old on Flight 175. Her name was Christine Lee Hansen. She was on her way to Disneyland. Ten pregnant women died that day. Their names are etched into the 911 memorial along with the phrase and her unborn child. That's who 911 is about. It's not about Zoramdadi, it's not about his fake aunt, and it's certainly not about Islamophobia. And this man who doesn't understand that, who hangs out with imams and calls them pillars of the community, who. Who supported the man who tried to bring down the towers the first time, cannot be the mayor of New York City. He cannot be the mayor of New York City. And I'm sorry, but that is why we have to vote Andrew Cuomo. Due respect to Curtis Lewa, he's run a good race, but he didn't get us there. In the end, there is no choice but to vote for Andrew Cuomo. Words I never thought I'd utter. But we must. He has to be stopped.

[Peter Spector]

Well, I think it's. It's important in this moment to think about that. That when you think about 9 11, you think about, like, our firefighters. And the thing that always sticks with me. And the Cosgrove thing you played, Megan, you know, I. I've listened to that audio numerous times. The thing that always sticks with me is the chirping.

[Comfortably Smug]

Yeah.

[Peter Spector]

And everybody here knows what I'm talking about. And that is when those buildings fell, the chirping of all of those people, those fire firefighters, who, instead of running away, ran in and died because they were trying to save other people's lives.

[John Ashbrook]

Yeah.

[Peter Spector]

And that in that rubble, you know, as they're trying to dig people out, you heard the chirping of dozens of these dead firefighters. And to think of all of the police officers who saw that first plane crash into the World Trade center and ran down to the Financial District to figure out how they could help. And to think that. That Mamdani wants to defund the police in New York.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Peter Spector]

It's just. It's such a disgusting thing, you know?

[John Ashbrook]

Well, the fact that there's any constituency for it all is crazy. But it's not just a New York story. I mean, this is why I'm unconflicted about Hamas or Hezbollah or what's been going on in the Middle East. I understand a lot of people have a lot of different concerns. People feel different ways about Israel, people feel different ways about Netanyahu and the war that has ensued that thankfully President Trump has had a leadership position in. And we'll see how that all pans out. But this is the fundamental question is not a domestic political discussion about whether Dearborn, Michigan can hold a Death to America rally of tens of thousands of people within our borders. And you consider it a political constituency that you have to placate rather than a cancer that you must remove. That is the lesson of 9 11. It wasn't 911 wasn't an individual event. There were 11 long years that led up to that moment. They had declared war on America for over a decade before they ever had 9 11. 911 was just the moment that America declared war back. Now you can make all your arguments about the war on terrorists and how that was prosecuted and whether or not we got as a country what we were looking for in terms of the retribution and the justice for the people who were killed. But make no mistake, these people want the death to Western civilization. Hamas, Hezbollah, radical Islam, call it out for what it is. And I, I just, it shocks me to my core that we are having a very real discussion in today's day and age, just 25 years removed, where we're in a situation where we've got a guy who's on the terror side. On the terror side of the equation.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. I mean, he's not just. It's not just people say, oh, it's just that he's Muslim. That's not, that's not it, actually.

[John Ashbrook]

That's not it.

[Comfortably Smug]

It's not it at all.

[Megyn Kelly]

Islam is not consistent with Western values. So, I mean, there is something to look at into there. Just that alone. I'm not going to lie that that is potentially problematic. Like, what kind of Muslim are we going to be doing five times a day prayer? And he's going to bring the tenets of Islam into office, which does not believe in speech, free speech, which does not believe in women's rights, which does not believe in the separation of church and state. Yeah, we actually might have a problem based on that alone. I need to know more. But certainly this guy's embrace of radicalism, that total, total deal breaker.

[John Ashbrook]

But Megan, we're not even a month removed from a huge, like tens of thousands of people marching in New York City celebrating October 7th. That's the constituency that he's trying to get out and vote for him to become mayor of America's largest city. By showing up with people like the imam we just spoke to. Yeah. This is a disgusting mess. And I.

[Megyn Kelly]

And the dad, his own father, who doesn't think that suicide bombers should be stigmatized. That's who he was raised by.

[Peter Spector]

Well, and that's the thing is, they might dress it up as the banner of resistance, this vague term of resistance, but what it really is. And Megan, back to your whole point. Political Islam is the problem. It is Western values and political Islam cannot coexist. They just simply cannot. Right. And they call it resistance, but the reality is it's from the river to the sea. Right. It's globalized. The intifada. It is a philosophy of violence. And violence is in political Islam is their whole thing. Martyrdom. It is what it is.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[John Ashbrook]

You can pretend like it's not it.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's.

[Josh Holmes]

They.

[Peter Spector]

They say it's Islamophobia. I don't think it's Islamophobia. It's literally just reading what you say and what you believe.

[Megyn Kelly]

But it's also like, if you're asking me whether I want Islam taking over American cities and our positions of power, the answer is no. If that makes me phobic of Islam, I don't give a shit. Fine. You call me whatever you want. I. I'm. I'm unmovable on this. I don't care. And everyone needs to get this spine. Do not let them shame you out of criticizing the takeover of Islam in American cities by calling you Islamophobic. You have a reason to be. It's. And by the way, it's not fear. It's reasoned rejection of those principles as totally inconsistent with the foundational ideals of the United States of America. Go to Saudi. Go. Go back to Uganda. Go someplace where that is the majority. That's fine by me. I don't care. Do your thing. I don't want to convert those societies into American ideals either. They can do their thing. It's working for them. I get it. That was George W. Bush who was trying to change values in the Middle East. Most of us today have no desire to do that. We don't want our country changed to look like the Middle east either, at all.

[John Ashbrook]

No question. No question.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's.

[John Ashbrook]

I mean, it's just like. Again, I have a hard time wrapping my head around it, Megan. It's just like having lived through all of that. And I understand there's a lot of water under the BRIDGE in the 25 years about America's place in the world. And you mentioned missions that have definitely gone awry from an American interest standpoint. But the fundamental principle remains.

[Peter Spector]

But this is why this conversation is so important. Dude, is like you said Megan Mamdani was what, 10 on 9?

[Comfortably Smug]

11.

[Peter Spector]

Yeah, right. And so the history of all of this matters, right? You got the 1993 World Trade center attack. You got Cobar Towers. You got the Tanzania and the Kenya USS Cole embassies. You got the USS Cole Marine barracks. Marine barracks in Beirut. Like, it's not. I mean, there is a track record of this with Islamic radical extremism that there are so many people in our country who do not understand. They think they woke up yesterday and suddenly everyone's Islamophobic. And it's like, no, we just, we just looked at the record as it exists. And we're making a determination that this is not compatible with Western values.

[Megyn Kelly]

And we're totally entitled to that opinion. And it needs to be expressed with a pencil in the voting booth next week. It's right around the corner. Or we gotta end it on a later note. Because this is a fun one. This is a fun one. Still political. And it's still about lying liars who lie over on Team Blue. And that brings me to Gavin Newsom. Gavin Newsom. This is such a fun story. So Gavin Newsom goes on this podcast of two. I think they're former NBA stars, both of whom had rough upbringings, you know, really did have some tough things happen to them. And Gavin Newsom, who is the son of a very well heeled lawyer who worked for the Gettys, one of the richest families in American history. They're like the Rockefellers, the Astors, but directly for the Gettys and was very well taken care of. Ultimately both of them were Gavin and his dad by the Gettys is like trying to relate to them, trying to act like he had the same upbringing with. As these guys did. Here's the soundbite. 17.

[Peter Spector]

My mom was 19, pregnant and divorced a few years later with two kids. Came from no money and just hustled, you know, worked hard, grinding every single day. Two, two and a half jobs, no bullshit. Part time bookkeeper. She did restaurant. That's how I got in the restaurant business. And it was just like hustling and. And so I was out there kind of raising myself, turning on the tv. Started, you know, just getting obsessed, you know, sitting there with the, you know, the Wonder Bread and, and five stacks of the whites.

[Megyn Kelly]

Come on, macaroni and cheese. Oh, my God.

[Michael Duncan]

That's how I grew up.

[Comfortably Smug]

That's how I grew up, bro. Yeah, that's how I grew up, bro. I had a stack of Wonder Bread and some macaroni and cheese. I was out on the corner. It was just me and the Gettys. You know how it is. Just like a normal kid having to hustle.

[Megyn Kelly]

Look at this picture. Okay, this, this, this picture ran. It's of him with the Gettys, with. With two Getty sons or two or three of them. It's like something. Not that one. We'll show that one in a minute. This is like. Okay. It's a 1991 photo of Newsom with the Getty children. It was about his first business venture called Plump Jack, a winery. That's Newsom, second from the left.

[Comfortably Smug]

Look at this hustling, starting a winery with the Gettys. He's on the street.

[Megyn Kelly]

Look at the Getty guy on the right with the greased back long hair and the leather jacket and, like, the villainous facial expression. The article title was A New Generation Makes Its Mark. Society Kids take up endeavors outside the expected realm. The sons of Gordon Getty and Justice Bill Newsom, that's his dad, are opening up a wine shop. And then they go on talking about. The subtitle of the picture was Children of the Rich. Children of the Rich. Now he just has two guys who had legitimate difficulties growing up. Like, yeah, yo, me too, Wonder Bread.

[Comfortably Smug]

He had to raise himself. You know, when you got just you and the Gettys opening a wine shop out on those mean streets of San Francisco, he just took life.

[Peter Spector]

He's just grinding on these grapes.

[John Ashbrook]

That's it. That's it.

[Comfortably Smug]

That's the most pathetic thing ever.

[John Ashbrook]

We were talking about this a lot on the Ruthless Ferrati program today, and we had that picture up and it was like, he's talking to a bunch of former NBA guys is my understanding. And, like, the observation is that this guy would lead them to believe that he's crossing over Stephon Marbury at the Rucker park park, when in actuality he's hanging out with the Gettys, stomping from wine grapes, actually asking someone else to.

[Peter Spector]

Stop on the wine.

[Megyn Kelly]

Look at this one. This, this one was from, I think, his high school years where he's got that. He's got, like the Burberry scarf on. I'm sure this is how all of you looked in high school, too, with your jackets and your white shirt and the. Perfect.

[Comfortably Smug]

Actually, I'm betting we're gonna see that, that photo again when he runs for president. It's going to be run by Zor Mumdani on his way to getting the nomination for president.

[Peter Spector]

That's depressing.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's too young. He's too young. I think he's only 33 years old. Like, he can't do it yet.

[Comfortably Smug]

He'll have a birth certificate from Uganda that says he's old enough.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm sure he'll rankle that up. And Trump will be the first to call him out for it being fake. In any event, it's another faker, another lying liar who lies, unlike, like the Ruas variety program, which only gives you the truth. It's great to see you guys. You can do it all. That's what I love about you.

[Comfortably Smug]

Thank you so much.

[John Ashbrook]

Listen, good luck with your tour. You're doing great work out there, Megan. We wish we could join you because we've been watching intently and all you're up to. Looks like everybody's having a blast.

[Peter Spector]

Yeah, I saw all the Instagram posts out of Texas with Jesse Kelly and everything. God bless you for doing it, especially in this moment right now. Thank you so much for doing your tour.

[Megyn Kelly]

Thanks, guys. You know, you're my brothers in podcasting and I'm always rooting for you. Till the next time.

[John Ashbrook]

See you.

[Josh Holmes]

Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

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