The TRUTH About Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, Potential CBS Lawsuit, and Russini Scandal, with Maureen Callahan | Ep. 1313

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Megyn Kelly Show

Episode: The TRUTH About Blake Lively and Ryan Reynolds, Potential CBS Lawsuit, and Russini Scandal

Date: May 8, 2026
Host: Megyn Kelly
Guest: Maureen Callahan (host of "The Nerve")

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Overview

This episode offers a no-holds-barred breakdown of the week’s hottest celebrity, media, and cultural stories. Megyn Kelly and Maureen Callahan dive into the fallout from Blake Lively’s legal battle with Justin Baldoni, scrutinize the secrets of the Met Gala, discuss the tumult and lawsuits brewing at CBS, unpack recent sports and media scandals, and pepper the conversation with sharp wit and unsparing observations about celebrity narcissism, media management failures, and billionaire egos.

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Sections & Key Discussion Points

1. Blake Lively’s Legal Disaster and Met Gala Meltdown

[03:22–18:46]

Blake Lively’s Lawsuit “Victory” Debunked

• Megyn and Maureen call out Blake Lively for spinning her failed lawsuit against Justin Baldoni as a win. She received no monetary damages and only hopes to recoup legal fees.
  • Quote – Megyn Kelly (04:08): “She humiliated herself by snapping at this poor male valet who was fluffing the train of her dress and let the mask down yet again on what a nasty person she is.”
• The lawsuit’s outcome is framed as a massive victory for Baldoni, not Lively. Lively is blamed for making future harassment claims in Hollywood harder to pursue.

The Met Gala: Handbags, Narcissism, and “Victory Laps”

• Lively used her kids’ art for a luxury handbag display, drawing parallels to past celebrity self-promotion and “let them eat cake” moments.
  • Maureen Callahan (06:24): “The last refuge of the scoundrel: hiding behind your children... She’s so wealthy she can deface it with her children’s watercolor.”
• Her claim of being “shy” at the Met Gala is mocked as disingenuous.
• The hosts dissect Lively and Taylor Swift’s text exchanges, painting both as insufferably narcissistic.
  • Quote – Megyn Kelly (10:54): “These people are awful. The setup, the self-celebration, the disgusting narcissism of both of them.”

The Downfall of Lively’s Social Circle

• Reports say Swift, godmother to three of Lively’s four kids, hasn’t invited Lively to her wedding, interpreted as further proof of Lively’s social fall.
  • Quote – Megyn Kelly (11:53): “She’s not even going to make the guest list. And she’s named Taylor godmother to three of her four children. I’m sorry, but that’s weird.”

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2. Meghan Markle Parallels and Godparent Power Moves

[13:45–16:20]

• Markle’s similar use of star power (naming Tyler Perry godfather to Archie) is cited as superficial, “star-fucky,” and risky, especially with Perry’s reputation under legal scrutiny.
  • Quote – Maureen Callahan (13:46): “You know what this reminds me of, too?...Meghan Markle, naming Tyler Perry godfather to Archie. Right. They don’t even know him.”

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3. Suits, Settlements, and PR Victories

[16:20–21:57]

• Lively’s legal defeat is framed as resounding; she dropped her lawsuit in panic over potential cross-examination, with multiple lies about evidence and events exposed publicly.
  • Megyn Kelly (18:46): “There is not a defendant on earth being sued for $400 million, given the chance to walk away with a settlement agreement, paying nothing, who would not consider himself the victor, not a person on earth.”

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4. Ryan Reynolds’ Controversial Past

[22:51–26:55]

• Maureen recounts Reynolds’ teenage arson incident in Canada and an anecdote about forcing his young daughter into inappropriate film dialogue, questioning his character.
  • Maureen Callahan (23:10): “When Ryan Reynolds was a teenage boy, he burned down his elementary school in Canada to the ground...He’s a psychopath.”

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5. The Met Gala: Who Got In, Who Didn’t, and What Really Happens There

[27:31–39:22]

Snubs and Z Lists

• Meghan Markle’s desperation for a Met Gala invite is contrasted with deeply unsavory invitees (Lena Dunham, Amy Griffin), emphasizing Markle’s toxic reputation.

Scandalous Scenes

• The Met Gala is described as a “convention for the worst people in the world,” rife with celebrity excess, drug use, and PR-driven activism.
  • Quote – Maureen Callahan (29:46): “Tina Fey said that one year...imagine yourself in the center of a room full of everyone you would like to punch in the face.”

Blue Ivy, Nepo Babies & the Cult of Fame

• Critique of celebrities bringing underage children (Blue Ivy, Sunday Rose Kidman) to the Gala for PR advantages; questions raised about the psychological toll and fairness.
  • Megyn Kelly (34:49): “It’s not the daughter’s fault. It’s their fault.”

Amy Griffin’s Abuse Memoir Scandal

• The scandal over Amy Griffin’s possibly fabricated childhood abuse memoir resurfaces, highlighting celebrity media’s unreliability.

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6. Rich Women and Plastic Surgery Obsessions

[44:32–50:02]

• Lauren Sanchez Bezos’s appearance and life choices are unpacked, scrutinizing her vanity, PR choices, and facial surgeries as symptomatic of “billionaire weirdness.”
  • Megyn Kelly (49:52): “Instead of women becoming more beautiful because now they’ve got access to billions, they become very weird looking.”

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7. More Red Carpet Oddities & Gen Z Narcissism

[53:10–58:04]

• “Worst of the worst” at the Met Gala: Eileen Gu’s self-importance (“My 8-year-old self would love me”) [55:53] and the awkward inclusion of Aaron Rose Philip, a trans, quadriplegic model, trigger debates about tokenism, wokeness, and the fashion industry’s priorities.

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8. Sports and Media Scandals – Russini and Vrabel

[61:33–67:14]

• New details emerge in the alleged Diana Russini–Mike Vrabel affair, including “boat trip while pregnant” and tone-deaf social media posts.
  • Maureen Callahan (65:34): “I wonder if the husband’s got something...some sexual fetish that like, he’s like, that’s great, she’s preoccupied over here. He can do what he wants over here.”
  • Megyn Kelly (66:26): “Is that child his?...She’s getting off on humiliating him.”

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9. Ted Turner & Jane Fonda’s Complicated Legacy

[67:14–82:27]

• Turner’s womanizing and need for constant validation, as revealed by Fonda, are contextualized within the psychology of high-net-worth, high-achievement men.
  • Maureen Callahan (74:11): “I truly believe that womanizers do not love women...Women are there to scratch an itch. They are interchangeable.”
• Discussion extends to Bill Gates, Elon Musk, and the dangers of marrying not for love, but for “a solution.”
  • Megyn Kelly (83:41): “No one should marry somebody who’s looking for a solution...I don’t think aiming to marry a man with money is a good aim at all.”

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10. Media Wars: CBS, Sharon Alfonsi, & Bari Weiss

[91:51–99:15]

• Inside CBS: Sharon Alfonsi possibly suing Bari Weiss over editorial interference. Maureen critiques Weiss as unqualified for television leadership, predicting disaster.
  • Maureen Callahan (96:14): “You can’t fire the whole newsroom and you can’t alienate the whole newsroom. And this was her M.O. over at the Free Press—terrible at managing people, convinced that she is always right.”
  • Megyn Kelly (97:15): “She [Weiss] doesn’t know anything about television...She’s steadily running CBS into the ground.”

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11. Don Lemon for President?

[90:53–93:01]

• Don Lemon claims he’d be open to running for president, likening himself to Trump in self-made success.
  • Don Lemon (91:03): “Yeah, I would [run for office]...I did not have $400 million to start. I’ve made it all...I’ve made it right to the top of my profession.”
• Megyn and Maureen find this comparison delusional, satirizing Lemon’s “narrative of resilience.”

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12. Bill Maher: Hypocrisy, Misogyny, and Grievances

[75:44–81:22]

• Megyn reveals Bill Maher called her an anti-Semite on-air, describes his show as a “throwback” now dominated by unpreparedness and misogynistic undertones.
  • Quote – Megyn Kelly (77:56): “It took him two minutes to do that to me...that hypocrite turns on me and actually fucking has the nerve to use the anti-Semite term on me, which is a lie.”
  • Maureen Callahan (79:38): “He has more male guests than female guests...he’ll roll his eyes at a female guest, and he would never do that to a male.”

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13. Beagle Rescue: A Feel-Good Close

[99:15–102:55]

• Story of animal rights activist Wayne H.S. Young, who broke into a Wisconsin testing facility to rescue 1500 beagles, brings a heartwarming end to the episode.
  • Megyn Kelly (101:58): “All I can say is, good for you, sir...I am completely on his side.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Lively/Swift: “These people are awful. The setup, the self-celebration, the disgusting narcissism of both of them.” – Megyn Kelly [10:54]
• On privilege and godparent "strategies": “That’s star...I’m going to get the most famous woman I know and I’m going to make her be tied to my family.” – Megyn Kelly [12:17]
• On celebrity parenting: “It’s not the daughter’s fault. It’s their fault.” – Megyn Kelly [34:49]
• On Met Gala culture: “Convention for the worst people in the world.” – Maureen Callahan [07:46, 29:46]
• On media management: “You can’t fire the whole newsroom and you can’t alienate the whole newsroom...terrible at managing people, convinced that she is always right.” – Maureen Callahan [96:14]
• On “solution” spouses: “She felt like she was looking for a solution.” – Megyn Kelly [82:27]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Blake Lively’s Lawsuit & Met Gala: [03:22–18:46]
• Markle & Godparenting: [13:45–16:20]
• Ryan Reynolds’ Reputation: [22:51–26:55]
• Met Gala Drama & Nepo Babies: [27:31–39:22]
• Plastic Surgery/Billionaire Wives: [44:32–50:02]
• Gen Z and Erin Rose Philip at Met Gala: [53:10–58:04]
• Diana Russini–Vrabel Affair: [61:33–67:14]
• Ted Turner/Jane Fonda: [67:14–82:27]
• Bill Maher Hypocrisy: [75:44–81:22]
• Don Lemon’s Presidential Boast: [90:53–93:01]
• CBS Lawsuit & Bari Weiss: [91:51–99:15]
• Beagle Rescue: [99:15–102:55]

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Tone and Style

The conversation is brisk, biting, and deeply skeptical of celebrity and establishment narratives. Both Megyn and Maureen use humor, sarcasm, and lived experience to strip away PR facades. The tone is irreverent, combative, and refreshingly direct, living up to the show’s tagline: "No BS. No agenda. And no fear."

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This episode is a must-listen for media watchers and pop culture skeptics who appreciate sharp banter and fearless truth-telling about America’s celebrity-media complex.

Transcript

[Maureen Callahan]

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[Megyn Kelly]

Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show and Happy Friday. We are learning that Blake Lively's settlement with Justin Baldoni was an even bigger disaster for the actress than we thought. We have the details. Plus a top CBS host is reportedly out at the network and is, we are told, getting ready to sue and fight the new Bari Weiss regime. Plus Don Lemon says he might run for President. Could we be that lucky? Joining me now to react to this and so much more here in the Red studio is Maureen Callahan. She's host of the Nerve which you can find right here on the MK Media Podcast Network. Go and subscribe on YouTube, all podcast platforms and@the nerve show.com There is something refreshing about a company that focuses on integrity and hard work. With Brooklyn Bedding. I know they built my Aurora Luxe mattress in the USA with high quality materials and real attention to detail. It's that classic American ethos. Do the job right, stand behind your product and build something that lasts. And they delivered it right to my doorstep and I love it. It is so comfortable. Brooklyn Bedding knows sleep is not one size fits all. That's why they offer mattresses for everybody every sleep style even in hard to find sizes. Sleep Hot Brooklyn Bedding uses copper infused foams and temperature regulating materials to help keep you cool and comfy all night long. Plus you get a 120 night comfort trial with easy returns or swaps. They have earned awards from CNET and Wirecutter proving that they deliver real high quality sleep you can trust and enjoy. Just like I do. Go to BrooklynBetting.com and use our promo code Megan, at checkout to get 30% off sitewide. That's BrooklynBetting.com use the promo code Megan for 30% off site wide and let them know we sent you at checkout to make sure you get that discount. BrooklynBetting.com promo code M, E G Y N. So good to see you.

[Maureen Callahan]

It's so good to see you. There's been so much happening, and I've been like, I'm dying to talk to Megan.

[Megyn Kelly]

I know. I feel like. Let's start with the Met Gala, because we both reacted to it and. But we haven't talked to each other about it, and we have to start with Blake Lively because she's pretending that she got a massive victory in this settlement with Justin Baldoni this week when it's exactly the opposite. She didn't get $1. Now she's making noise about wanting to sue for her attorney's fees. So we'll see how that goes for her. But honestly, even if she were to get those, it would just restore what she spent. It's not a victory. It's not a win. It's not damages. Right. That she's getting for being allegedly wronged, as she's been claiming for all this time. So the day of the settlement, she thought that she would appear at the Met Gala and it would be her triumphant, you know, spike the ball moment, Maureen. And instead, she humiliated herself by snapping out this poor male valet who is fluffing the train of her dress and let the mask down yet again on what a nasty person she is. Plus, there's more. But before I get to the sound, we're gonna play you. Tell me your thoughts on that.

[Maureen Callahan]

It feels very Markelavelian would be my portmanteau for this Machiavellian Meghan Markle esque. Right. Because it makes me think of that moment. Remember after the Queen died and Harry and Meghan did that very strained walkabout with William and Catherine, and Meghan was receiving a bouquet of flowers from a regular British citizen, and a male handler came around to take them, and she turned and she snapped at that guy. She was like, you're doing it wrong. It's like, that's it. It's like, oh, you're trying to help me at, like, $8 an hour. You're doing it wrong.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Maureen Callahan]

You know, I think that mask, it's very difficult to keep it affixed for a very long time. It's also extremely delusional to think that this is going to be a Victory lap. Your husband's not there. He has begun leaking to the press, or at least it seems his camp has. It's certainly that he's been wanting her to settle. She just won't listen. Hey, he's just an innocent bystander here, which, you know, he's not. And then she gets to the top of the staircase and is interviewed by Lala Anthony for Vogue. And she says, you know, I just. I have this little handbag with me and my four children.

[Megyn Kelly]

Let's watch that. That's the latest sound. Watch. This is a Judith Lieber bag. And we were trying to find a piece of famous iconic art to put on and make it look like it was in a frame. And then I said, would you actually, if you're going to make it custom, would you do my kids art? So my kids each painted a painting, a watercolor painting. So each of my four kids did this. That is so special. Special. So I have them with me because I'm shy, too. So I just like to, like, got the kids, have my kids with me. They're like, I probably could have fit them under my dress. Like my little comfort. Well, I hope you have the best time tonight. Thank you so much. You too. Oh, my God, what a farce.

[Maureen Callahan]

The last refuge of the scoundrel hiding behind your children. Not for nothing. I mean, again, this is so. Let them eat cake. Like a Judith Lieber bag retails for about 5k. Like, that clutch is like 5k. And then so she's so wealthy she can deface it with her children's water. They're not just painting Megan with acrylics. We're doing watercolors. We've got little Monets running around. And it also reminds me, remember when Angie and Brad finally got married, which was like, literally, they were, like, on the way to splitting up, but it was like, let's see if marriage will help this.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, sure. It always does that. And having a kid.

[Maureen Callahan]

Exactly. And then they released the photos to people, and Angie's wedding dress had been defaced with the scrawls of her children. Do you remember that?

[Megyn Kelly]

We haven't. Debbie's way ahead of us. She's got it. Let's see. She knew it. Okay, keep going.

[Maureen Callahan]

So you can see. It's like, those are the scrawlings of, like, the child army on her. Yeah, yeah. Mm.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, my gosh. I don't think I've ever seen that before.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, yes. Mm.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay.

[Maureen Callahan]

So you know, it's been done before. Like, there's nothing Original. And so Blake would also have us believe she's just very shy.

[Megyn Kelly]

That was crazy.

[Maureen Callahan]

In this tool confection that has taken up the entire Met Gala steps. I mean, I referred to it as like her territorially pissing all over the Met Gala. This is mine now.

[Megyn Kelly]

Only me is.

[Maureen Callahan]

I am the victor. To the victor go the spoils. You know, at this horrible event, I called it like the convention for the worst people in the world. It was.

[Megyn Kelly]

It was truly like. I mean, we can go down the list and will. But that acting at the top of the staircase of I'm shy. And also the over the top, saccharine, sweet voice with the reporter. It's an obvious compensation for the nastiness toward Kirsty from Norway, who she ripped on her non existent baby bump. And the nerve of her having to ask about fashion, which is something Blake talks about incessantly and is obsessed with. I mean, every time I see her, she's got another Birkin bag. Like this woman's obsessed with her handbags and her rich spending on her wardrobe. The. But God forbid you actually just loosen the mood a little. Lighten it by asking her about it. You'll get shamed. Like this poor Kirsty did. And so that acting at the top of the staircase was pathetic. It was stomach turning to watch her. I'm shy. Like the. Let's go back to the text exchange between. Is it in here? Hold on a second. Between her and Taylor Swift after, like during the whole heat of that controversy, right? Where she was ripping on poor Justin Baldoni. No, it's not in the main packet.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, you're reading my mind with this. That's exactly where I. Where I went to.

[Megyn Kelly]

She's so nasty. Hold on a second. I gotta get it. Because like, if when you read the actual text exchange. Yeah, here it is. It was in both of these, I guess. Oh, no, you know. You know where I was. Why I'm not pulling it up in my packet. It is in my packet because it was from the Maureen Callahan piece, which is so good.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. On the Daily Mail. I love your writing and I love your show, as you know.

[Maureen Callahan]

Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

And you too. Yes. You pointed out in your latest piece on the Daily Mail, which everybody should read. It's called Blake Lively is truly the worst of the worst in Hollywood. Entitled, delusional, utterly loathsome. And here's proof. Okay. You point out that she writes when she had her secret meeting up in their penthouse, hers and Ryan Reynolds with poor Justin Baldoni while they Tried to steal his movie from him and steal the screenwriting from him that she texted Taylor Swift before the meeting, asking Swift to say that Swift was freaking out over a script rewrite that Blake Lively had done. And then she writes to Swift, having the greatest living storyteller unknowingly echo to him how much you love what we're doing. Giving him credit as if he wrote them with me will go such a long way. Swift, I'll do anything for you, you write. After the meeting, Lively texted Swift. You were so epically heroic today. This clown falling for all of it but resisting it. You are the world's absolute greatest friend ever. I won the lottery, Swift. I won the lottery. You are the coolest person in the world and you like me. Maureen Summation again. These people are awful. It is. It is awful. The setup, this, the self celebration, the disgusting narcissism of both of them.

[Maureen Callahan]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

And it didn't end well for Blake Lively even in that relationship either.

[Maureen Callahan]

No, that relationship is done. I have read, I think, very reliable reporting that Blake thinks that she can salvage this relationship with Taylor and that she can potentially get an invite to that wedding, which is taking place in New York City, which is where Blake and ryan have their four or $5.7 million Tribeca loft.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. So if she's a massive estate, it's either in Bedford or northern Connecticut.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah, exactly. I mean, they have so much money and Taylor Swift, a self made billionaire. And this is how they're talking to each other, how they're throwing their weight around, but also like the disgusting kind of like over the top effusiveness about how amazing each of them are to each other. It looks like that they're so. I just feel like they're so arrested. Like it feels very junior high. Yeah, you know, it's very, it's just, it's like it's uncomfortable.

[Megyn Kelly]

Here's the idea. You point this out. I actually didn't know that you report. You say reports are that Lively, who named Swift godmother to three of her four children with Reynolds, is not even on the guest list for Swift's summer Reading wedding in New York. So she's not even going to make the guest list. And she's named Taylor godmother to three of her four children. I'm sorry, but that's weird.

[Maureen Callahan]

I agree.

[Megyn Kelly]

All three. That's star. That's what that is. Right? Like I'm going to get the most famous woman I know and I'm going to make her be tied to my family. Forever by giving her this honored role. I mean, most people go with family for those things. I mean, you might go with somebody who you're really close with, for God, sure. But three out of the four, because you have no other friends other than this friend with whom you obviously just have a surface level relationship because it ended over these texts in the Baldoni case.

[Maureen Callahan]

Right. I mean, if you're really, really friends with somebody, you're there with them for the really difficult stuff, and you take culpability for your bullshit. But Taylor can't do that because it's a ding to her image.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Maureen Callahan]

You know, I don't know how they got her out of being deposed. Do you remember that?

[Megyn Kelly]

I know how, How? Because she didn't want anything to do with this case.

[Maureen Callahan]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Quite clearly. And I think they basically struck a deal where they said, give us the texts and we'll leave you alone. Oh, and this is, you know, allegedly reportedly Maureen. But yeah, they, they didn't want to harass Taylor, but they did want to see those text messages, and they got them. And I think she was very unhappy with the way that Blake was writing about her and talking about her and actually threatening that she might be a part of this lawsuit. Like, I, I, I think she was irritated that her name was thrown around so loosely by her dear, dear friend and mother of her godchildren.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Blake Lively.

[Maureen Callahan]

You know what this reminds me of, too? When you were saying how star fucky it is to name Taylor godmother to three of the four children. Meghan Markle, naming Tyler Perry godfather to Archie. Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

They don't even know him.

[Maureen Callahan]

They don't even know him.

[Megyn Kelly]

They don't know him. He was like a fan who felt bad for her because he obviously just took her side, probably because of the race issue, and gave her a place to stay when they fled the horrors of Buckingham palace to Montecito. And she made him the godfather to her child. What the hell?

[Maureen Callahan]

Like, they didn't even know him. And to your point, they didn't know him. And now he's facing major lawsuits from men who are accusing him of sexual harassment and or worse, so know who you are naming the godfather of your

[Megyn Kelly]

children kind of thing. You would know if you actually knew the person as opposed to just, he's rich and he's famous. And I want my very famous son to be, you know, connected to this famous man here. He was right around the time Tyler Perry, on being named the Godfather, saw 10. This is from. I think we'll call and we'll chat, and we'll talk about silly things.

[Maureen Callahan]

And they were pretty serious on the phone.

[Megyn Kelly]

I go, okay, what's going on? I said, well, we'd like for you to be Lily's godfather. I go, oh, I take a minute to take that in. And, right. Because we saw each other, I'd be honored. I'd absolutely be honored. And I got a phone, took it all, and then I called him back. I go, hold on a second. Does this mean we got to go over there and do all of that in the. In the church with them and figure all that out? Because I don't want to do that. Maybe we can do a little private ceremony here and let that be that. And. And if you have to do it there, then it's okay. He knew. He knew what they were doing. It's overly familiar. It's an inappropriate boundary crossing.

[Maureen Callahan]

He's also, though, saying there. I think he's completely out of line saying, does this mean if you want me to be the godfather, do I have to go over there to England to the royals, to the palace, to the Church of England with them? Which is very disrespectful. It's a depersonalization of the royals. He's basically saying, I'm all in with Meghan's version of events, which is that they're horribly racist. And not only that, Meghan and Harry rubber stamped him, saying this in the Netflix doc.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, yeah. Well, they. They themselves, in their Netflix doc, said the whole country that voted for Brexit was racist. I mean, that is what they say in that piece, that their countrymen are racist. If they wanted Brexit, they wanted that for England to leave the UK So why wouldn't they put him on display? So Blake Lively now is back, threatening. No sooner did she declare victory in this lawsuit, which is just such a blatant lie. Trust me. I mean, like, I, of course, am dear friends with Brian, but Justin's lawyer, but separate and apart from that friendship, as a lawyer, I'm much more interested in getting things right than I am in being loyal to my friends when I do my commentary on this show. And there is no question that this is a resounding victory for Team Baldoni. She was suing him for $400 million, Maureen. And to make a point for all women, she did neither. She emerged as the villain and didn't get one red cent. And even now, she's gonna push for her legal fees. At best, she gets made whole on her legal expenses, but not on any damages caused by sexual harassment or retaliation or all the terrible damages she claims she lost on her brands, like her liquor company, because she was made a villain by herself. So you tell me whether she was in any way a victor here.

[Maureen Callahan]

You would have to be in that mind to try to understand it. I think it's probably an outgrowth of what I perceive to be just my opinion, malignant narcissism. They are never wrong. If you are a malignant narcissist, you are never wrong. It's everybody else's fault. People just don't understand. And as you and I were talking about, I think the last time I was here with you, my main problem with this is the incalculable damage that Blake Lively has done to every other woman, especially in her Hollywood sphere, who wants to come forward with legitimate claims of sexual harassment or worse. Now it's gonna be much harder to be believed. And it's no accident that Justin Baldoni and his wife, who live in Nashville, where paparazzi are not just roaming the streets, were photographed holding hands, smiling, in multiple public locations. That is Justin, I believe, telling us, the public, that he regards himself, he and his wife regard themselves as the true victors. And I think that's the right. That's the right answer here.

[Megyn Kelly]

There is not a defendant on earth being sued for $400 million, given the chance to walk away with a settlement agreement, paying nothing, who would not consider himself the victor, not a person on earth. She reportedly is the one who is desperate to settle. Brian Friedman actually gave an interview to TMZ saying that she was panicked because she didn't want to have to be cross examined. Because when you are on the stand, Maureen, it's not like being at the top of the Met Gala stairs where you can say whatever the fuck you want to. True or not, you have taken an oath to tell the truth and you are subjected to potential perjury charges if you don't. So it's a very different situation when you are under the withering cross examination of an experienced and very clever trial attorney like Brian Friedman on the stand in front of a jury than it is like when you're across from Kajersti from Norway, right? And she knew the stakes were going to be different. Brian had pointed out that. Hold on a second, because I made a note about this that she'd been caught lying, like, repeatedly in the case. There were a couple of times where she did, and one of the most recent ones was she denied, I think, at her deposition, that she ever asked anyone to destroy the dailies like that. You know, when you film a movie, there are dailies that they look at every day. What did we shoot today? What's the video look like? And she said under oath at her deposition, she never asked anyone to destroy. Raw footage. Reading here from TMZ from It ends with us. But an email from an executive at Sony shows that was a lie. She lied about that. During her deposition, which was July of last year, she was questioned whether she had asked anybody from Sony to destroy the dailies. She said no. She said, no, I never asked anyone to destroy dailies. No. When asked if she ever requested anyone to instruct Sony on her behalf, she also replied no, that she did not do that. However, the transcript of a message that was entered into evidence in the case from Sony executive Ange Gianetti to then president of Sony Pictures Motion Picture Group, Josh Greenstein From September 2024, about a month after the film's release, suggests otherwise. Gianetti writes, call me when you can. Not urgent, but Blake asking us to destroy some of the dailies. She adds that she's never heard of a star doing this when no nudity was involved. It would make sense. Celebs wouldn't want clips of their private areas just floating around out there. But she says she wants to talk to Greenstein about what they will and will not do. Ang wrote she was going to ask a woman named Bridget to contact the vendors they were working with to delete the dailies. Is unclear if she went through with that plan. So here she is, caught in just one example, red handed, obviously lying under oath. Can you imagine the number of inconsistencies they would have her on if she took that stand and this kind of thing played out in front of a jury?

[Maureen Callahan]

Didn't she also lie? It's my recollection before all the discovery, when the Taylor brouhaha was happening. Will Taylor be dragged into this? I believe she had said there was no such planned meeting at the Tribeca loft with Justin invited up so that Blake and Ryan could bully him and threaten him. Oh, and then. Oh, wait, Taylor actually was there. But you know what happened? She was just walking by. She just happened to be in the neighborhood. And Blake said, hey, why don't you just come on up? And Taylor had no idea what was going on and sat there passively on a sofa. Cause she's such a shrinking violet.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. And that's Taylor's life. You know, she's just meandering about, looking for plans.

[Maureen Callahan]

She's got nothing but free time. Nothing but free time. You know, it's. And then we find out that this was a coordinated attack, that this was pre planned and that when it was over they were congratulating and high fiving each other verbally.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Maureen Callahan]

About humiliating this guy and lying to him and him buying it, you know, and it's just, it's all so disgusting. But I just hope that in all of this, the person who I refer to on the Nerve always as psycho arsonist Ryan Reynolds is not lost here.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. Explain why you call him that.

[Maureen Callahan]

When Ryan Reynolds was a teenage boy, he burned down his elementary school in Canada to the ground. This was an arson fire. He set it in the middle of the night. This school was like over a hundred years old. It went up like that. He has given varying. He's a psychopath. I believe he's given varying accounts of this story. In one, he just meant to set fire to like a wing of it. In another, Megan, there's another version of this story in which he just was. He set fire to a tree. When I hear that, like I could cry, like, who would set fire to a tree? I know to a living thing, you know, oh, but it was just a tree. And then it went up and then he.

[Megyn Kelly]

Who knew?

[Maureen Callahan]

So if anybody out there doubts this, we at the Nerve have dug up the contemporaneous reporting with a front page from the Canadian province of the school ablaze. It was leveled. All of the students had to go take classes for months and months and months at like various community centers.

[Megyn Kelly]

He admits that he did this.

[Maureen Callahan]

Ten years later about. He gives another interview. He's not a huge star yet, but he's coming up and he's asked about this and we have the reporting as well. We have shown the physical paper. He says, yeah, you know, I did that. I did do that. You know, I just, I just, I got away with it. I got away with it. And I just hope some poor schmuck isn't sitting in jail for what I did.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh my God. That is a psycho arsonist, to say nothing of.

[Maureen Callahan]

Then he and his director, co director on Deadpool, I think the most recent Deadpool, his and Blake's daughter has a role in the movie and she's behind those masks. So it's unclear why he insisted it had to be the daughter. And the line of dialogue was. It was basically like, hey, Deadpool, when I want your opinion, I'll smack that dick out of your mouth or I'll smack my dick out of your mouth. And he. This is on the commentary for the dvd. The Bonus content. Ryan and this guy Sean, I believe, Sean Levy, if I'm correct, they're laughing about it and they're laughing at how his then 8 year old daughter kept saying, daddy, I don't wanna do this, I don't wanna say this dialogue, I don't want to. And they're laughing and he's like, yeah, so we made her do it between like 50 and 500 times. Like, he's a piece of shit, this guy. He's a piece of shit.

[Megyn Kelly]

Maureen, we've talked about this. There is, it's very rare that there's a huge delta between the character of the husband and the character of the wife. Yeah, yeah, it's very rare. Yeah. I mean that's why I really believe in that saying, show me who you love and I'll show you who you are.

[Maureen Callahan]

Exactly. Show me who your friends are and I'll show you who you are. Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

So it's not surprising to me the odds of him being this great, terrific, kind hearted good man and her being this insane, malignant narcissist are extremely, extremely rare. They'd be divorced already.

[Maureen Callahan]

I agree completely. And if they do get divorced, trust me, it will be because Ryan is trying to salvage his career.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Maureen Callahan]

Paramount has already dropped three feature films that he was to either star in or executive produce or direct. And this again, this takes us right back to Harry and Megan, you know, the poor Harry narrative. Nuh. I think they are very well matched. I think they are very well suited in their rage and resentment and narcissism and their juvenile way of looking at the world emotionally, psychologically, intellectually. Give me, give me, give me. I think they're very well matched.

[Megyn Kelly]

Did you see that King Charles removed their wedding photo from his like side table? His favorite side table, I guess in one of the palaces a photographer who was allowed in got a quick glimpse of it and took the shot of the. I don't know, do we have it to show the audience? But they took the shot of the table and you had seen. This is at Highgrove. Here's the old one. You see that on the right is their big wedding photo. And then. Yeah, this is at his Gloucester. How do you say that?

[Maureen Callahan]

I think it's gloss.

[Megyn Kelly]

Gloucester, Gloucester, home. I don't know. Why are there so many letters if you pronounce it Gloucester? G L, O, U, C E, S, T E, R, S, H, I, R, E. That's a lot. I don't know why our friends in Great Britain do that. Anyway, Highgrove is the name of the home. And that was her wedding photo, which was snapped by a different photographer who had been there. And now look at it. This is the updated one. It's gone. Royal photographer Chris Jackson was recently let in there and posted the pics on his Instagram story. He has removed the wedding photo of Ms. Mark. You know, that's driving her insane, that the king no longer wants to look at her whiny face while he relaxes in his home. Maureen.

[Maureen Callahan]

I just wish he would remove the titles. I just wish he would remove the titles. That tour of Australia and then they set up clearly, I believe. I think Meghan has many friends over at People magazine. They were on the COVID of People, which usually hits newsstands on Wednesdays. And that was smack in the middle of Charles and Camilla's state visit. Here, of course, there. It's always something, you know, it's just. I just wish they would just sever it just. It's just sever that time.

[Megyn Kelly]

What did you make of the fact that she clearly was not invited to the Met Gala, even though Lauren Sanchez Bezos was co chair, whose BFFs with all the Kardashians, who, you know, Megan likes to pretend are her friends, even though it was their party? Kris Jenner's 70th, where she threw her little hissy fit over being photographed without having signed a release. And when you and I talked about how she was clearly just upset that her husband was caught leering at Kris Jenner's bust. In any event, I did think it was interesting that they clearly didn't invite her because she'll show up to anything. I mean, literally.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, she was dying for the invite. The reportage was that she was convinced as recently as days before that the invite was dropping in her email inbox. Any minute now.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh God, any minute now.

[Maureen Callahan]

And so imagine her. I like to think of Megan watching our nerve Met Gala livestream.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, it was excellent.

[Maureen Callahan]

Thank you. We had so much fun doing it. And you know, watching again, a convention for the worst people in the world. Tina Fey said that one year she said after having gone that it was like imagine yourself in the center of a room full of everyone you would like to punch in the face. Face that. That's what it feels like in there.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

And you know, all of these terrible people. Blake Lively, she's one of the absolute worst. In my opinion. Meghan is too radioactive for that crowd.

[Megyn Kelly]

Katy Perry got an invite, notwithstanding the fact that she's currently accused of sexually assaulting somebody and under criminal investigation. Come on in But Meghan Markle, it's a no.

[Maureen Callahan]

Lena Dunham dog dumper falsely accused a man of rape in her memoir, wrote about molesting her little sister in her memoir. Come on in, Lena, come on in. Jay Z said a word against his old pal and business partner, Sean Combs of many, many, many years. Jay, come on in. And you know what else? Bring in your 14 year old daughter who won't take off her sunglasses even though you have to be 18 to get in. You talked on our show about one of the events. You went to one of the Met galas where you walked into the room and saw Sean Combs dry humping a Kardashian.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, it was a wall of Kardashians and influencer models. And yeah, he was definitely humping one of them. I saw it with my own eyes. And nobody was using the bathroom. Just not for nothing, but nobody was using. They were all smoking cigarettes in the Met bathroom, which is disappointing, disgusting and dry humping one another. And then Doug walked out of the men's room where he had just seen two men who shall go nameless for purposes of this story, but big Silicon Valley types who were snorting cocaine off of the.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, that doesn't surprise me at all.

[Megyn Kelly]

So very nice, very classy crowd at the Metro.

[Maureen Callahan]

And this year, on top of that, agitators had spread, had put Poland Spring bottles filled with urine all over, like next to priceless works of art in protest of Jeff Bezos. Because as you know, Amazon workers have very timed bathroom breaks and a finite amount of them per day. And even Amazon drivers, their time is tracked so that they don't get bathroom breaks. They are. They have to resort to using plastic bottles.

[Megyn Kelly]

Ridiculous.

[Maureen Callahan]

So that was a big thing too. And again, Megan is still not wanted there.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right? You know, it's like she's still too toxic even for them here. So we mentioned Beyonce and blue Ivy, the 14 year old who she took with her to the Met gala. Here they are as they're arriving. And the Vogue, because of course, this is Anna Wintour's Vogue announcers fawning over them. Watch this. Of regal royalty right there. The feathers, the diamonds, the head piece, the poised, beautiful face. Oh, Beyonce, the queen has arrived.

[Maureen Callahan]

Wow.

[Megyn Kelly]

Do you see blue behind her? Wow. Mommy, daughter, duo. No, it's very, very cute. How long? But the hair is. It looks amazing. I love that blue is like in this I own everything mode. Obsess together. This is warming my mother. My like mommy heart. It's not warming mine. I love that blue is in her, like, I own everything. Okay. Her parents are Beyonce and Jay Z. She literally does own everything. And therefore it's not a virtue for her to be telegraphing with her body language that she's king of the world. She was born into it. In fact, what would be laudable would be some humility and possibly something approaching a demure projection. But she's not capable of that because all they've done for her since she was born, Maureen is try to make her an independent clicks generator. From the day she was born, my team reminded me that her dad, Jay Z, released a song Glory, which earned her a Guinness World record for being the youngest person to have an entry on a Billboard chart. Time dubbed her the most famous baby in the world. Carter made her feature film debut in 2024 in Mufasa the Lion King as a voice actress. She's also one of Beyonce's backup dancers. We have some video of that. Hold on. Let's watch it. Here she is. She's walking out. You would be forgiven if you thought she was 27 years old. I mean, it's all an attempt at sex appeal. Super tight pants, super tight top. You know, the over the top gestures. It's a lot what they're doing to their daughter Maureen. And it's not the daughter's fault. It's their fault.

[Maureen Callahan]

You know, this is so disturbing on so many levels. There's no way this kid is having, like, active, real schooling. They are building this monster. We're all gonna be suffering many years to come. But it does remind me of Willow Smith, daughter of Jada and Will Smith. And Will and Jada were pushing her for a long time. She had that. She had like a hit called. It was like I whipped my hair back and forth. I forget what it's called. And then they wanted her to audition for something like what Blue Ivy had done, but not voice work, like screen work. And Willow said to them, listen, how about I just be 12?

[Megyn Kelly]

Wow.

[Maureen Callahan]

And I love that. I love that because it does show that even at that age, there is a self awareness.

[Megyn Kelly]

And she later come out and declare herself one of the weird sexual, like, pan sex she did.

[Maureen Callahan]

Listen, you grew up in that house. If you get out alive, kid, like, good for you. It's a win. It's a win. Also, like, how is. How is Blue Ivy the most famous baby in the world? I thought. I mean, I guess in that year or that month, you could say so.

[Megyn Kelly]

Let me tell you something. Whether she was or she wasn't, Jay Z, he's Not. I mean, honestly, is he really talented?

[Maureen Callahan]

Like, I do think he is.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's got New York State of Mind. That's a great one. I can't name another song by Jay Z, but of course I'm a little out of it.

[Maureen Callahan]

It's okay. I'm a fan.

[Megyn Kelly]

What I think he's great at is marketing Beyonce. Her songs aren't even that good. Sorry, I don't like them. Like one or two here or there. They're fine. She's not like the premier artist of our time, but you would think she was watching her at that. Look, she came in like she actually was a queen.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

She's got way more Grammys than, like, the Beatles. Somebody just did the list recently and she was like, triple what our most talented artists are when it comes to award winning. It's him. He runs a marketing machine. He first unleashed it on Beyonce to make her Queen Bey. Okay, whatever. And now they're doing it to their own child. And this Met Gala appearance was part of it.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah. And again, like, just what you and I were just talking about in terms of what actually goes on inside that thing. Who in their right minds thinks that that's some place for a 14 year old to be? And also for the adults in that room who paid anywhere between 100 and $350,000 to be there. They don't want a kid there either. It's an adult party where adult things are supposed to be happening. You don't want to censor yourself or have to watch yourself, especially at that price tag. Because Jay Z and Beyonce had to bring their little monster that they're building, and they won't.

[Megyn Kelly]

So she'll just go to the bathroom, dry humping and people snorting coke because it's such a classy event. See, can't you see the class right in front of you? Yeah. So they weren't the only ones who did this. Nicole Kidman. She brought her kid. Sunday Rose. Is that her name? Okay, yet another Nepo situation. Sunday Rose Kidman, Urban, 17 years old. She went as well with her mom, who was a co chair. And honestly, it's like, save some room for your child to grow into these events, you know? Like, can't. What if the. What. What does Sunday Rose have to look forward to now? What if Sunday Rose becomes a star in her own right and would like to get to the Met Gala via an independent invitation? Well, it's too late, Mom Nicole has already dragged her everywhere on Mom Nicole's arm. I don't know. I Think like the inappropriate showing of your child at an event where you know she's going to be on camera in front of millions and have her fashion critiqued and have her body critiqued and have her face and her hair and makeup critiqued. It's not such a great thing for a 14 or a 17 year old girl.

[Maureen Callahan]

Well, Nicole has been using her considerable star power to leverage a high fashion modeling career for Sunday Rose. Oh, Lord, who really wants this? She has walked for major designers. I think she walked in Paris most recently. She, she got the COVID of Elle Australia. And I am sorry, but this girl is not a model. She's not. And if you love fashion and you love, you know, curated, highly stylized images like that is, that is a cover that belongs to somebody else. I'm sorry, this girl is not a model and she's being shoved in our faces. And Nicole is. And I, I wonder too, how much of the divorce has to do with this of like overcompensation, you know? Oh, is this what you want? Like, I'll get it for you.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, right. You know, right. Maybe, maybe just spend more time with

[Maureen Callahan]

her instead of doing every like Hulu, Amazon, Netflix project that like gets thrown across your desk, literally.

[Megyn Kelly]

With Nicole Kidman. She's like, she's in everything now. Yes. Maybe spend more time with her. Not at the Met Gala, at home, across the dinner table from one another, actually talking about life. Maybe that. Try that. Same for Amy Griffin, by the way, who is also there. The one who clearly we've talked about her. Clearly, very clearly stole another woman's sexual assault memories and tried to pawn them off as her own recovered memories after using MDNA and got a best selling book, the Tell out of it, which we now believe were lies. And not only that, they made her one of the time 100, which is such a joke. For what? For what? Her recovered memories, which as it turns out, per the New York Times, appear to have been stolen from a girl from the wrong side of the tracks. And now she shows up too, at the Met gala, of course, which is just, you know, her money could buy her entrance there in a year.

[Maureen Callahan]

But again, her husband's money, her husband's money, there, there's nothing. Again, we have people at this Met Gala between Amy Griffin and Lena Dunham, two people who have leveraged false accusations, it seems, against men in print and then propped up by the mainstream media industrial complex. Amy Griffin has been propped up by Oprah Winfrey, by Gwyneth Paltrow, by Reese Witherspoon, by the Today show by. No, she's. She's swanning around like she doesn't have a care in the world. She's a psychopath. You. This guy that she's accused is an actual man living in a town where everybody knows who he is. He's pseudonymous in the book. But Everybody in town, Mr. Mason, she doesn't give a shit. She doesn't care that she took what should be considered most sacred. Another woman's recover. Sorry, not recovered. Another woman's sexual assault as a minor

[Megyn Kelly]

child by the hands of another teacher, by the way, it should be clear, not Mr. Mason.

[Maureen Callahan]

Correct. Stole that, appropriated it for herself, and then shrouded it all in recovered memories brought upon by a guided MDMA trip so that if she's ever accused of making this up, she has the convenient excuse. Well, I was high out of my mind.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't realize. But honestly, if you read that New York Times article, which is very telling, it's just the old phrase, it talks about how she went. This is the woman, Amy Griffin, who's married to the richest man in New York, and they have billions. And she wrote this book, Gattelle, a couple years ago, claiming it all came back to her. How she was raped repeatedly by a teacher, Mr. Mason, in Amarillo, Texas, where she grew up. One of the richest girls in town, one of the most privileged, with an intact family. Those are not the girls this happens to. Sadly. They always pick on the weak girls from families that are broken up because they know that they don't really have a solid home life to go home and complain about it, too. But in any event, that she claimed it happened to her, and then the New York Times started doing a deep dive in her after. The nerve raised questions about whether any of this was true. And not only did they seem to echo your concerns, Maureen, but they actually found the girl on the wrong side of the tracks, who's now an adult, who then later came out and said, not only are these my memories, but she met with me, like recently, right before she published the book, like a two year period before. And she said, hey, let's both sign postcards to each other. Let's grab a postcard from this little cafe where we're having our coffee and I'll put my address on the one that you send and you do the same for me. And so I sent her one, you know, per her request, which Amy Griffin then uses in the book as evidence. She allegedly believes that, like, another MeToo victim reached out to Her. It's all such a web. Anyway. This is a long way of saying she was there, she's at the Met Gala so she can come. And none of those people, not Oprah, not the Today show, none of them, Gwyneth has done any cleanup on this story, even after the New York Times gave her the double barrel treatment. First the original takedown piece and then the second one pointing out that fact about they found the woman and that postcard and all that nothing. They're like, come right in. And none of these so called reporters has even atoned for putting her on question free.

[Maureen Callahan]

It makes you wonder just how much money Amy Griffin has given to Gwyneth. You know, in any round of funding for goop has she contributed to Oprah's media empire in any way. I mean, it really makes you wonder again. And Oprah especially, who has said repeatedly that she is a survivor of childhood sexual assault. Yeah, this flies with her. This is okay.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes, right, exactly. Like then, then show it. Why don't you prove it? Okay. Any other thoughts on the Met Gala? How about Lauren Sanchez Bezos?

[Maureen Callahan]

She looked bummed out to me and I think two things were potentially going on. Jeff did not walk the red carpet with her or the green carpet because the reporting was. He was surprised there was a backlash. As if Blue origin didn't tip him off last year that those of us who are still earthbound. Well, not you and me, we don't brag.

[Megyn Kelly]

We've been if, you know, you know, you know.

[Maureen Callahan]

But so that, that there was that. And then she, it, it looked like Anna Wintour did get her hands on her because, you know, in the hours before the Met Gala, Anna always hosts a, a press conference to say there's a Met Gala in a few hours, as if we don't know. And Lauren was looking very somber in this, like vintage John Gall.

[Megyn Kelly]

She was looking somber and it.

[Maureen Callahan]

Because the neckline was up to here and it looked like her undergarments were minimizing. So she can't fully express herself. You know, her bodaciousness can't just reach 11. And I think she felt like she was hemmed in and like she was having to hide her light under a bushel.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, did you happen to see. I think it was the Times, right. Wasn't it Steve that did the long piece on her, which we read in great detail live on the show. And the last segment of that interview covers her absurd outfit at the inauguration. Remember, she showed her boobs. She was right behind President Trump. They moved that inauguration Indoors because it was sub zero temperatures or close to. And she had on the bustier, the white lace bustier with her enormous breasts spilling out the top and a very low cut white blazer. And she actually tried to spin it to the Times that she was really proud of her outfit as like demure and appropriate, you know, but then it got moved inside and oh, she was just shocked, shocked that her outfit became a story, you know, and she said, got it. Don't wear lace to the inauguration. No, not it. You could wear lease don't show your tits. It's a little known rule. Maybe only we reporters get it. You're not supposed to show your boobs at an inauguration. We saw everything but areola. And now she wants to play it off like, whoopsie. It was just a little lace that happened to peek out because I was unexpectedly caught going inside instead of outside on the inauguration day, which by the way, we all knew the day before that it had been moved inside.

[Maureen Callahan]

My favorite shot from that entire thing was Mark Zuckerberg standing next to her going like, they're all children, you know, again, as you just said, oh, like reporters would know. Lauren Sanchez began her career as a reporter.

[Megyn Kelly]

True.

[Maureen Callahan]

And then she was a helicopter pilot for like a Los Angeles, like a major affiliate out there. She was married to one of the most powerful talent agents in Hollywood, Patrick Whitesell, who has represented the likes of Ben Affleck, Matt Damon, I believe. You know, the idea that she's this fawn in the woods, and then she begins an extramarital affair with Jeff Bezos and allegedly reportedly had it leaked to the Inquirer because Jeff wasn't moving fast enough with the divorce. You know, she's a fawn in the woods. She had no idea. You're a woman, I'm a woman. We know how it feels when we get dressed and how things fall on the body.

[Megyn Kelly]

I know when my boobs are out, you know? Yeah, I know when my boobs are out.

[Maureen Callahan]

I don't really have any, but you know what I mean? It's like, you know, you're very sensitive about that stuff. And so just admit it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Just be like at the inauguration when you're right behind the president.

[Maureen Callahan]

I'm an exhibitionist. I like attention. I did not get enough hugs as a child. Give me more attention.

[Megyn Kelly]

Right. Honestly, it's all tied together with what she's doing to her face. You know, it's like a lot of people have plastic surgery. We were just talking about Jane Fonda the other day because Ted Turner died. Their relationship was fascinating. I'd love to spend a minute on that, but I. I'm. Of course, I infamously asked her about her plastic surgery. She. She took issue with it, which she talked about many, many times. But her, she's had great plastic surgery. She looks amazing. You know, she's 88 now. She looks spectacular. Thanks to the many faceless. But whatever she's doing, it's working for her. I don't think, though, that Jane Fonda. I think Jane Fonda is vain. Which there's. That's fine. I'm vain too. Um, but she looks great. Lauren Sanchez is vain, and it's gone another way. She's more, to me, somebody who's obsessed. Here she is side by side. Is this before and after? Yeah, well, no, this. She's already had some work here on the left. Try to find one of the younger pictures of her. Like really younger, because she was really cute when she was younger. She very pretty. No, no, no. We'll keep looking, but look how prodded she is. And look how much filler is in the face now. She's one of those people who's become like an addict.

[Maureen Callahan]

I think it's sad. It's sad to see she's carved herself up. She kind of looks humanoid, not human.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

Do you remember the cat lady?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

Jocelyn Wolfenstein?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. She's giving cat lady vibes.

[Maureen Callahan]

It's sad. I hate to see it, because you're right, she was very pretty when she was younger and before she sort of got on this billionaire track. I just think the billionaire track is weird for a woman to choose.

[Megyn Kelly]

It actually has the. The opposite effect on every woman. Instead of women becoming more beautiful because now they've got access to billions, they become very weird looking. She's not the only one.

[Maureen Callahan]

You know, I think of, like, Elon Musk, who's impregnated, like, at least 500 women. You know, it's like, it's all the numbers high, weird.

[Megyn Kelly]

Is it 500?

[Maureen Callahan]

I think it's got to be. Listen, by the time his obituary is written.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Maureen Callahan]

Be like thousands.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, like, if you don't know who your dad is or if you think it might be Elon Musk, you should definitely have, like, tests before you have sex with a stranger who's your age.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, my God, you're so right. Especially you're gonna be running in this sort of milieu.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's a little scary.

[Maureen Callahan]

It is a little frightening. Yeah. But so anyway, no. I look at her and it is to weep. I mean, I think, you know, Kris Jenner has had better work.

[Megyn Kelly]

She looks good.

[Maureen Callahan]

She does look good. Now, she also felt it was necessary to address us all because she does not like the reports that her facelift has been slipping.

[Megyn Kelly]

Didn't she just have it?

[Maureen Callahan]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

How could it be slipping already?

[Maureen Callahan]

Well, she's also on Ozempic.

[Megyn Kelly]

Meghan.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh. So, you know, we may have some contraindications.

[Megyn Kelly]

There's a lot going on. It's a lot. All right. There's much more to discuss. I do want to pick up that Jane Fonda thing because it was a fascinating interview that in the wake of Ted Turner's death about their relationship and much, much more. Stand by. Maureen's with us for the whole show. We've all been there. Stuck in a rigid multi year security contract with cancellation fees so high they feel like a ransom note. It's frustrating, right? And security should not feel like a trap or like something you must do. But let me tell you about SimpliSafe. They completely changed this game by offering 24. 7 professional monitoring that's actually affordable. With no long term contracts. SimpliSafe can give genuine peace of mind. With SimpliSafe, you can arm your system right from your phone. The setup is a total breeze too. You can have your whole system customized exactly to your home's layout, up and running in about 30 minutes. From indoor and outdoor cameras to sensors that detect fires and floods. It's comprehensive protection backed by agents ready to dispatch help. You're going to get 50% off a new system when you sign up for professional monitoring. And your first month is free. Hello, free by visiting SimpliSafe.com that's simply spelled with a new iSafe.com Megan that's half off at SimpliSafe.com Megan there's no safe like SimpliSafe. UnitedHealth Group is simplifying healthcare by investing in tools to help patients know more and pay less. These tools help patients find providers and compare costs and save hundreds of dollars annually. Learn [e-mail] commitment if you walk into

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[Megyn Kelly]

Maureen Callahan is my guest today. Check. Check out the hit Maureen Callahan show, which is called the Nerve. It's part of our MK Media podcast network. Just go to podcasts wherever you get them or YouTube and type in the Nerve and Maureen and it will come up and you should, should subscribe to both. I've. I reminded myself during the break, there were two things about the Met gala I did want to get to. Speaking of the terrible, terrible people who were there. Eileen Goo, that nightmare from the Olympics who was all about herself.

[Maureen Callahan]

I thought you liked her.

[Megyn Kelly]

No, I hate her. Really? Yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

With the. The zebra striped.

[Megyn Kelly]

Ha. That. That was Alyssa Liu.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, sorry.

[Megyn Kelly]

Eileen Goo was the nasty skier. Can we pull over John Cassio's favorite sound bite of Eileen Goo, the butted sound bite. If we can find it. What a terrible person she is, we'll get that. But in the meantime, take. I mean, her dress was. I'll say this. It was interesting. It was a conversation piece and I'm not sure it was art, but watch this. SOT4 literally wearing art. Today I'm wearing Irisman Herpin. It is so special. This look is all about. About bubbles, obviously, but it's about whimsy and it's about a play on time and reality and permanence. So there are 15,000 bubbles on me. They are made of glass, which is incredible. 25, 50 hours of work. Insane. It's about time and permanence. Somebody gave her that line, honestly. And this was the person who was at the Olympics who she skied for China.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Even though she's American, her.

[Maureen Callahan]

One of her parents are both our Chinese nationals.

[Megyn Kelly]

She sold out. She got offered a bunch of money to ski for China and she took it. And then she was lauded by all these woke magazines here in the States. Is like, oh, good for her. It's like she's.

[Maureen Callahan]

What do you mean?

[Megyn Kelly]

She's skiing for China. Alyssa was offered that opportunity because she had a Chinese dad and said, no, I'm not doing that shit. I'm American and I am skating ice skating for the United States. And she didn't get anywhere near the same kind of coverage and treatment. But this is why we don't like Eileen Go. Among other reasons. What I just said and this watch. I'm so proud of how I've done this Olympics. I joke. I'm not a betting woman, but if I were, I took a big gamble this time because I chose to do three events knowing that I hadn't trained halfpipe in two months knowing that I would miss the half pipe training. I'm an introspective young woman. Like I spend a lot of time in my head and it's not a bad place to be. The fact is I get to become every day the kind of person that me at age 8 would revere. Like I would be obsessed with me today. Are you kidding? I would love me. Global beneficial impact is like my central theme. The fact is a rising tide raises all boats. And so this is also good for every other athlete competing regardless of what country you compete for. She, she's given Gayle King astronaut vibes there.

[Maureen Callahan]

I wish she had more belief in herself. She's had a little more self confidence. She could get there, she could do it.

[Megyn Kelly]

Doesn't she? Like I inspire everyone. I would have been a huge inspiration to me.

[Maureen Callahan]

That's right. Again. Blonde Origin. Meghan Markle with love. Meghan with a Y. It's all about me. It's all about me. You know. So we, we did a little segment today on, you know, Bill Maher. No matter what kind of conversation he's attempting to have on his podcast, it always comes back to his porn consumption and his masturbatory habits. Literally. And there's. But there's this thing going on with like Gen Z and it's weird. It's like two things. One is like the phenomenon of this younger generation just actively not having sex. Like they don't want it, they avoid it.

[Megyn Kelly]

I know it's very weird and a

[Maureen Callahan]

kind of narcissism that I don't think we've seen. I mean when you think of our, the greatest athletes America has produced. I mean this it like she's like, I'm so great for not preparing and losing and stealing a slot from some kid who doesn't have my leverage. You know what I mean?

[Megyn Kelly]

In China, right.

[Maureen Callahan]

It's so insane. And you know, you didn't even know her name.

[Megyn Kelly]

You were like, who?

[Maureen Callahan]

I don't. I did not know her name. I thought you know, it's Alyssa and Aileen. Right. So I got confused because I saw now we love. She's the one who's got like again that great like stripes, rock hair.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

So herself did it her way. I just love her.

[Megyn Kelly]

I love her and was very self deprecating and like gave the credit to others like her trainer. Not like this bitch who's like, I inspire everyone, most especially me. My 8 year old self would love me. I would revere me. Who talks like that? Okay, so she. That's what gets you an invitation to the Met Gala. And one other person I wanted to mention, so we all felt uncomfortable when we saw the black transgender quote, woman. That's a lie. It's a man with quadriplegic cerebral palsy at the Met Gala. It was a little awkward. Everybody was wondering, what. What's happening here? Who is this person? Like, I. I guess good for them.

[Maureen Callahan]

The Ashley Graham interview.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes. Aaron Rose. Philip. Now Aaron goes by Ariana. It's a man. Okay. It's a man. It's confusing because there's a lot of boxes checked in this particular.

[Maureen Callahan]

I didn't even clock that because they're. This reminds me of. Anna Wintour is dying there. This is not what Anna Wintour wants on her red carpet or her green carpet.

[Megyn Kelly]

Now, look, I'm not making fun of this person because they're in a wheelchair or has cerebral palsy, but I am going to make fun of this absurd sound bite when you didn't understand, like, what is this person doing here? And they've been signed to Elite models. I think it's elite.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, stop.

[Megyn Kelly]

Okay, all right, sure. Now we get. We get to listen to Aaron Rose Philip talk about himself and do we have that sound bite? This is what he had to say. When I first started working, I was

[Maureen Callahan]

an anomaly to the industry. Arguably, in many ways today, really, I still am. I think it's time to say the quiet part out loud. The fashion industry is unlikely to book or pay black, trans, feminine and or physically disabled models to do Runway editorial and or campaign because of an actual absence of whiteness.

[Megyn Kelly]

What?

[Maureen Callahan]

Okay, I'm just going to go right back to. Do you remember when Dove tried to do their all inclusive ad campaign?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Maureen Callahan]

It didn't work out for them. It didn't boost sales. In fact, I think it hurt their sales. This is not what people are looking for. You have to know your lane. Yeah, you have to know your lane. But that. But that appearance at the Met Gala reminded me of. There was an episode of Curb youb Enthusiasm, like, at the peak of Wokeness, where Larry David goes in to pitch something to Netflix.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, I think I saw this.

[Maureen Callahan]

Do you remember this? And he goes into the room and there's like, a black person in a wheelchair, then a trans person and somebody else with some sort of, like, unusual thing happening physically. And you could see him try to hold his tongue, which for Larry David is impossible, but kind of like, what's. What is this? Like, I thought this was just a pitch meeting.

[Megyn Kelly]

What Did I just walk into. Look, the, the thought that you would find yourself confined to a wheelchair with that kind of debilitating cerebral palsy. And then on top of that, declare yourself a woman when you're a man, just to layer on yet another challenge in your life. And then when given the opportunity to give a TED Talk on the things you've overcome, to blame the absence of people like you on runways. On whiteness. On. On whiteness. That's what he said at the end. There is a testament to how fucked up and sick we are today in this country. Like, that's going to be your message. You're not going to be like, thankful that you're here giving a TED Talk. And then of course, he, I guess he got signed by Elite. Maybe it was before, maybe it was after, maybe he guilted his way in.

[Maureen Callahan]

Either way, it's.

[Megyn Kelly]

It's a kindness that they gave to this guy. Obviously there's no designer who's dying to show their clothes on a trans quadriplegic wheelchair bat. Look that. These are just the truths. And instead of being grateful, he's bitter. And by the way, he's trying to co opt our sex by claiming he's a she among as many other special boxes checked. It's. The whole thing is absurd, Maureen. It's absurd. And he's bitter. Still bitter about whiteness.

[Maureen Callahan]

Well, I'm sure. I'm sure this person will get a book deal.

[Megyn Kelly]

Great. Okay. And it won't sell. Okay, forging forward this Diana Rossini Mike Rabel situation. Oh, yeah, there is an update. So she is the former ESPN now former New York Times sports reporter. She was with the offshoot of the New York Times, the Athletic that covers sports. And he is the current coach of the New England Patriots. And it seemed to be very clear that they were having an affair based on pictures that were recently published of them at a Tony Sedona Arizona retreat holding hands and very familiar. In the pool. I said to the audience at the time, there's nothing. Not like a naked shot of them in bed together. But if I ever saw Doug holding another woman's hands or in a hot tub frolicking that way, he'd be dead. Not actually dead, but yelled at and probably divorced. Soon though, I have to think it over. Cause I really love Doug. I don't know.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah, it really is hard. You wonder why Mike's wife hasn't just put his. His clothes out on the lawn in like a funeral pyre. Oh.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh.

[Maureen Callahan]

I was thinking about why Diana. Because there was A. There's breaking news on the Daily Mail today. I don't know if you saw it. Yes, about Diana.

[Megyn Kelly]

About the pregnant trip she took.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yes. She was, like, seven.

[Megyn Kelly]

No, no.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, it's even worse than that. Okay. Not worse. It just gets more and more worse. She was seven months pregnant, and they went out on a boat that they chartered together for two or three hours.

[Megyn Kelly]

There's video of it. This is again from 2020. So it comes out that this alleged affair, they're denying it still has been going on for at least six years. She was pregnant with a baby and named her baby Mike, which is his name. Here she is with her pregnant belly. 2020. Okay. I've covered a lot of sources. I've never gone on, like, a. A little boat trip with them while I'm pregnant, while I'm wearing shorts and, like, bare feet.

[Maureen Callahan]

Who would go out on the open water with a man they don't know very intimately?

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't know what woman.

[Maureen Callahan]

I tell you because it's. You're putting yourself at risk.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Maureen Callahan]

It's a very vulnerable. Ask Natalie Wood.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, my God. And ask Lacey Peterson.

[Maureen Callahan]

And ask that reporter. Remember. Do you remember that reporter who went out like she was in Norway or something? She was doing. She. She was reporting a piece on a guy who was, like, either a submariner or he was a. He was a voyager. And she went on his boat and she was not heard from again. And the authorities began investigating and boarded that boat, and he had murdered her. Oh, my God. And dismembered her. So, like, you see that? And you're like. They're. I'm sorry.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

The Daily Mail this morning has a report that she was doing a zoom, like, during COVID with a bunch of other reporters, and that Coach Mike was in the zoom Brady Bunch box.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, wait, we have this. Oh, sorry. Okay, well, I'll play it, and then you take it on the back end. It's a Family Feud. It's a fake Family Feud segment. She's in one of the boxes, and so is Mike Vrabel.

[Maureen Callahan]

Okay, Diana, what is something you might

[Megyn Kelly]

close your eyes to do when you have sex with your husband or wife?

[Maureen Callahan]

Again, this is from Family Feud Kids.

[Megyn Kelly]

But, yes, she answered. It's done. That's the answer. No. Okay, okay.

[Maureen Callahan]

She. So I think that's Mike there with his head in his hand.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yep.

[Maureen Callahan]

She also posted to Instagram something like, you know, if I had married. If I had married, I married. She said something. I married boring. I married mediocre. If I had Married somebody beautiful, I'd be over posting all the time. If I had married somebody exceptional, I would be posting all the time. But I didn't. And then, yeah, she's disgusting. And. But so it made me wonder, you know, again, I think the last time I was here with you, we were talking about what's Brian Gnomes kink. Because this was before the bimbofication thing, like sitting behind her at the thing, you know, Everybody knew. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I wonder if the husband's got something.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, like he likes to see her with another man or he's got some

[Maureen Callahan]

sexual fetish that like, he's like, that's great. She's preoccupied over here. He can do what he wants over here.

[Megyn Kelly]

It doesn't make sense. Like a gnomes.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Why aren't they both announcing divorces? Yeah, yeah. I don't know. It, it's honestly, it's like if you found out your spouse was having an affair, allegedly for six years, and also that she had her baby, your baby, together at a time when she was having the affair. And your son is named after the affair partner. Now she's claiming. Oh, her brother's name. Mike too. Oh, sure, sure. She named him after her brother, not her affair partner. Whatever. What man would stay. She's actively humiliating him for years. When she got engaged to him, she was reportedly having the affair with this guy.

[Maureen Callahan]

Even if my question is, is that child his?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Everybody wants to know that.

[Maureen Callahan]

Is that child his? And you. The Daily Mail had a great photo of them kissing on their wedding day. And she's leaning back and it's not like, like a passionate kiss or a warm kiss or it's like, it's like, let's just, just, let's let. Touch the surface of our lips to each other and get this over with. It's very, very curious. And it seems to me that she has always wanted coach Mike.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah.

[Maureen Callahan]

But she had to settle for her. She says, oh, my husband's average. She's like an executive at Shake Shack.

[Megyn Kelly]

He's not a bad looking guy.

[Maureen Callahan]

He's not a bad looking guy at all. Seems like he's a great father, you know, like. And she's out here like she's getting off on humiliating him.

[Megyn Kelly]

Her kids are gonna hate her as well.

[Maureen Callahan]

They probably should.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Like, the husband may forgive this behavior. I don't know whether he will or he won't, but the kids are gonna hate her. There they are together. They're gonna hate her for humiliating their dad over and over and over. Like you emasculate and humiliate a boy's father over and over and over and he will loathe you. You have a lot to answer for if one word of this is true. Diana, again, they both deny it. It's an awful lot of photographic evidence suggesting they've been in love, she and her affair partner. Alleged affair partner for some time. Which leads me to Jane Fonda and Ted Turner. So Ted Turner died this week. Lived quite a life. He died at 87. He had been diagnosed with Lewy body dementia about seven years ago in 2000, 2018. So yes, eight years. So he had a rough, you know, last decade or so, but what a titan of industry and of America. Just, you know, you look back on the life he led. He apparently had a very abusive father when he was little. Like very so abusive that Jane Fonda said when he told her about the abuse on their second date, she burst out into tears. Yeah, his, his father apparently beat him and abused him very badly. But his father was in the billboard business and Ted eventually joined him. He, I think he failed out or dropped out of Brown University. Ted did and then joined the family business and turned one thing into another and then had the idea for 24.7news station CNN because he got home from work at 7 o' clock and there was no more news. So simple, right? Like my husband Doug was saying, so simple. Some of the best ideas come from just like, like the simplest thought, you know, like, guys were like, I see a problem, I'm gonna solve it. And CNN was later born. It was, of course it's still going to this day. Of course it's not what it used to be, but it was, there's no question it was a hugely great idea. Changed the way we consume news. Changed so much about America. There wouldn't have been Fox had there not been a CNN and so on, but they got married. So he had two earlier wives with whom he had his children. Two with one and three with another. Then he meets Jane in 1991 and they got married. They had a 10 year marriage. He was a huge sailor. He won the America's cup and was so competitive that he one time was racing against one of his earlier wives who was also a sailor. They met sailing and she was about to beat him in some big race and he rammed his boat into hers. I mean, like that. God, yeah, like, like. And I think if memory serves, like actually like her boat was sunk or something happened. But in any event, very competitive. They, they all got divorced. He meets Jane in 91. And she's 54 years old when they get married. She looks spectacular. You won't be surprised to hear. Cause let's not forget after her career in movies where she was stunning. You watch the China Syndrome. She's stunning.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Then she goes on to become an aerobics guru. And so she's got a rocket bod. To this day, I have to say, she's hashtag goals in this department. She marries Ted Turner. He's this swashbuckling, sort of amazing, strong, successful, crazy, like, interesting man. But he's got a serious problem with women. And I guess he's driven by this insatiable lust that he cannot get past. And even though he's just married and a spectacular Jane Fonda, he cheats on her the first month. This is from a long piece that Jane gave an interview for, for which I think I read in the New York Times last night. It was either the Times or the Journal. But in any event, he cheats on her within the first month of their marriage and never stopped, was cheating all the time, was insatiable. She used to talk about his, quote, nooners, that he would happen.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, God.

[Megyn Kelly]

They refer to when he was forming cnn and he would sleep at his desk or in, like, some room in the office. And one morning, came down at 4am with, like, early morning news staff with Raquel Welch on his arm. He was so thrilled to show off that Raquel Welch and he had slept together. She was in a robe, and so was he. But while married to Jane Fonda, never stopped, like, screwing other women. And all the while, she said, and she's had very nice things to say about him, but she was talking about, like, the downsides of him and why the marriage didn't work. Was, like, crushingly insecure and needed to be built up all the time. And he needed mothering by her. And she was just exhausted. She said she really didn't, like, find herself until that marriage ended 10 years later. Even though she now and for many years thereafter would refer to him as her favorite husband. She's got a few, too. And it all sounded so complicated. And then he later said after his divorce from her, he had four women. He had 26 homes. Maureen. I mean, obviously one of the richest men in the world. In the world. He had four different women in his life, and he would spend a week a month with each one at the different properties. Right. And so there are women who are living like this who are like, sure, I'll. I'll be Ted Turner's second week of the month girl. And I'll have access to all these millions or billions and these. This wonderful mansion. Maybe like the Arizona one is mine. The one in Belize is another one's. And just painted this very complicated, interesting picture of him and frankly of Jane Fonda, too.

[Maureen Callahan]

Well, Jane Fonda had a really rough origin story as well. You know, her mother committed suicide when she was a teenage girl. Her father, who America believed to be this incredibly warm fatherly figure, was very cold and distant on Golden Pond, I think she has basically said was very biographical for her. You know, he played this very. You know, it was Katharine Hepburn and Henry. I think I must have seen that movie like a hundred times as a kid. They played it on HBO on a loop.

[Megyn Kelly]

They did. They totally did.

[Maureen Callahan]

Right. And so. And so she's got this very. And, you know, she was. Prior to that, she's had several husbands, one of whom was Roger Vadim. Now she and her. She has a doorstopper autobiography that I have yet to get to, but I have been dying to get to it. She writes in that book about how he forced her or really insisted that she engage in threesomes. And I think that men at this level. I think. I think it's. I would love, like, a longitudinal study of men at this level because it sounds like an outlier kind of behavior. But you're talking about this. And I'm thinking about, like, jfk, who had women everywhere all the time, compulsively, like a sex addiction that also. I think I truly believe that womanizers do not love women.

[Megyn Kelly]

They don't. Right.

[Maureen Callahan]

Women are there to scratch an itch. They are interchangeable. I mean, Megan, could you imagine hundreds of women all over the world, like a beautiful movie star who is an entrepreneur and very smart herself, isn't enough for you, but you need this arm candy so that shareholders think you're a stable human being. That's like. I was thinking about Tiger woods, you know, and he's still doing. We know. Do you know, as I just mentioned, Elon Musk and this compulsion to make sure that his DNA is populating the earth to, like a Genghis Khan level. You know what I mean? You gotta wonder what makes somebody like that tick and the ways in which. I mean, I would love to know the real story about Bill Gates and Melinda's divorce.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, she clearly loved Chanel. She can't stand him. I mean, you hear her talk about him now, and she's got nothing but disdain for him. Obviously, he was romping around While they were married. And it's like.

[Maureen Callahan]

But wasn't he also having a very long term affair with someone high up at Microsoft, someone who Melinda would be in board meetings with? I mean, it wasn't enough that he was catting around on her. He had to humiliate her in that way.

[Megyn Kelly]

Like Epstein and friends with the Epstein.

[Maureen Callahan]

You know what I mean?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, yeah. You mentioned womanizers are no fans of women. That's an ultimate irony. And true. I wanted to bring up something about Bill Maher.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yeah.

[Megyn Kelly]

Because I know you've been unsparing of Bill Maher on the nerve. And I'm very entertained by the whole show, as you know, including that.

[Maureen Callahan]

Thank you.

[Megyn Kelly]

But I've been in the past defensive of Bill. I've also been on the attack against Bill at various times in my career. When I was much younger, I used to say he strikes me as a misogynist. I used to say that. And then he started having me on and he treated me well. And I was like, all right, well, if he's a misogynist, why does he keep having me on and treating me well? Like I, I'll, I'll take him based on his behavior toward me, you know, it's. Which has all been very positive and respectful and something interesting happened between the two of us within the past, I don't know, four months. So I've never been anything but nice to Bill Maher since I've known him personally. I've been very cordial to him. I've had him on the show many times. Well, once or twice. And I've been on his show a few times. And he was one of the first Maureen. To run to his microphone and call me an anti Semite because some small contingent of the neocon group started to call me that because I don't know why, they just started calling me that because I wouldn't defroend. Tucker Carlson is really what led them to call me that. That I've never said anything anti Semitic in my life, nor do I feel any anti Semitism, of course, at all in my heart. Literally. My best friends are Jewish. But anyway, that's all it took. I mean, for like Ben Shapiro to go out there and like say she's a coward at that Turning Point event in December. And it, that's it. He ran to his microphone and on his show actually said I was an anti Semite and gave. It's amazing how this thing is like lurking right behind the, the screen for so many of these people, you know, just like that. She turned and she's an anti. So he's a hypocrite because he does his whole anti woke thing, you know, like, I don't like these labels. Who are these perfect people? He said when he had me on after the whole blackface controversy. I don't like what they did to you. This is so wrong. They want to tar and feather you. They call you these names and it's so wrong. It's a virtue signal.

[Maureen Callahan]

Wow.

[Megyn Kelly]

It took him two minutes to do that to me when his favorite issue came up. Right. And I have to say it made me think back to like all the misogyny claims against him. Like, would he have done that to a man? Was he too quick to jump on board the anti MK train? Because I had humiliated him a couple of times that, let's face it, both on my show and his cuz he wasn't prepared. He didn't have his facts about Hillary Clinton or about Donald Trump. We've had very infamous viral exchanges and he hasn't done that well in them. And next thing I know, I mean, a second later, that hypocrite turns on me and actually fucking has the nerve to use the anti Semite term on me, which is a lie. And if he bothered to look into it for two minutes, he'd know that. Anyway, I just thought, as usual, Maureen is right.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, I'm sorry, I don't, I don't enjoy being right in circumstances like this. This is the thing with a guy like a Bill Maher, you know, like, his show to me is a throwback to like the kind of shows that would be popular. Like I feel like the 70s was the last time where like pop culture and kind of intellectualism mixed. And you would have people like a Christopher Buckley on a Dick Cavett with like a John Lennon was great. And everybody was. Would smoke and drink and bat around ideas and like public intellectuals were on the COVID of Time. And his show used to be like that. Now he kind of has just like this sort of rotating lazy Susan of predictable guests. And you know they're gonna say, and you know, it bums me out because his show used to be spikier than it often is. I feel the same way. He often will come to the table not terribly prepared.

[Megyn Kelly]

Not at all.

[Maureen Callahan]

He'll. He has more male guests than female guests.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Probably for a reason.

[Maureen Callahan]

The female guests he has often seem a little bit cowed by him or he'll talk to them in ways he just doesn't talk to male guests. Like he'll roll his eyes at a female guest. And he would never do that to a male. And. But I just love. I love that Bill. It's so funny, like, when he says something like, it's just lurking behind, you know, Bill's podcast is just about Bill's perseverations on not getting laid in high school and college. I think that's really the root of his massage.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, he's super, super proud of himself that his girlfriend is something like 40 years younger than he is.

[Maureen Callahan]

Like, is that Al Pacino? Sloppy seconds. Is this the woman?

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't know who she is, but he's pretty quick to tell you that he's dating somebody that much younger than he is. I mean, he loves that fact.

[Maureen Callahan]

So, again, like, how. How pro Woman. So on his podcast, this most recent one we did, he was like, he was castigating the women of LA for thinking that they could approach a Bill Maher and expect to level up by dating him. And he literally says, you know what? You're not that special. All you have to offer is you're cute and you're a dime a dozen, and why don't you try cracking a book? And it's like, where's this guy looking for women? Like, on pornhub?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, there's a lot. Very smart.

[Maureen Callahan]

Not Grindr. That's a whole other culture.

[Megyn Kelly]

Women. Right.

[Maureen Callahan]

That's. That's. No, that's for gay men. Yeah, but, you know, but I'm just saying, I. He's. He's not. It's not like he. He's looking. He's not a Ted Turner looking for. Even if it's, you know, in some ways cosmetic. I'm sure their relationship was real on many levels. The fascinating thing about Ted and Jane, I was thinking about it this morning, they both have said that they were like the loves of each other's life.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

I would bet they really did connect very deeply on their very broken childhoods.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yes.

[Maureen Callahan]

And them being.

[Megyn Kelly]

She sounds like she was willing to mother him. Like, she knew he needed it and she was willing to give it, but it was never enough. Like, no matter what she gave him, he was still gonna philander. And, you know, she's a strong, proud woman. At some point, maybe you can't look past it. You know, she clearly tried, but after 10 years, let's face it, after that point, you're at the point where you're either making a deeper connection or you're splitting, you know, And I'm. It sounds like she looked around and said, this is too Exhausting. He's just too humiliating.

[Maureen Callahan]

Or he got somebody pregnant, like something happened where like you just cannot come back from it, you know, or he got caught maybe with somebody under. You just never know with these guys because it's never enough. Like the dopamine hits, they stop hitting. And I think that's why we see so much like truly scandalous behavior where they're ramping up their. They're constantly pushing boundaries and almost like daring the culture to catch them. I don't know.

[Megyn Kelly]

I know so many women over the course of my life who really think it's the be all, end all to bag a billionaire, to land a man with a shit ton of money. And I know some men who have a ton of money who have been out on many, many dates and so on. And one of them said it best when he went out with one of these women, he said she felt like she was looking for a solution. And I was like, that is such a good line, right? Like, she's not there for you. She wants you as a solution to her problems. No one should marry somebody who's looking for a solution, right? Like, it's like you should be marrying somebody who complements your life, with whom you get along, who stimulates you intellectually and physically and all that. But I swear, if these women would just look for somebody who would treat them well, who had some modicum of mental health to start with and who would treat them well and fell in love with them, not because they could compliment their life or not because they had stars in their eyes over them because they were these rich, successful men, I think these women would be so much happier. I don't think aiming to marry a man with money is a good aim at all. I think it will actually really make you quite miserable.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, I couldn't agree more. I couldn't agree more. Honestly, the idea of marrying a billionaire terrifies me. I think that is such a big different kind of life with a whole kind of apparatus around it and like ego. And I, I don't know, I just, I think that the healthy reaction would be to say, to step back for a moment and say, is, is this truly for me? Like, could I handle this?

[Megyn Kelly]

Like, you get folded in, you don't get, you don't join in a partnership,

[Maureen Callahan]

you're going to be absorbed into an ecosystem that's pre existing. And a billionaire has like a very specific kind of mindset. And of course, I'm not trying to paint with a broad brush, but I'll never forget years and years and years ago, I was at a party and I didn't quite understand what was happening until it clicked into place for me. It was a man I knew for a long time. I didn't know that this guy had any necessarily romantic designs on me. And then flash forward to his divorce, had a party at his new place, invited me, I went. I thought, oh, my friend is having a party. I didn't quite understand the wealth that he came. Like, I didn't know about it. He didn't advertise it. And when I learned about it, that was something I liked. I was like, oh, he doesn't advertise it. I still wasn't interested in him in that way. But at a certain point in the evening, my conversation with him was interrupted by another man who was basically like, now, it's time now. And there was a line that formed all the way back to the back of the townhouse. And it was, young women come shake hands, meet, make eye contact. Okay, you go that here. Here comes the next one. It was like a per. It was a parade of potential contestants. And then it cl. And I was like, I was young. I was like in my 20s. Like, I was like, wow. Like, I. That was something I had never seen before. And I was like, there's a. There's a level I saw behind a little bit of a curtain.

[Megyn Kelly]

You know, I'm not gonna say who this is, but there is a very, very well known power broker in New York who continues through his assistant to ask me to come and be part of some sort of roundtable group that gets to ask him questions over a meal. And I continue to say, no, thank you, I'm not doing that. If he's ever coming through Connecticut and he wants to meet for a coffee, I'll consider it, but I'm not going and joining some harem of media people for the privilege of asking him a question. There are lots of people who would love for me to ask them many questions. They come on this show and I give them my platform and we have a great time. But what the hell? Like, the level of hubris of some of these big swingers, you know, in New York or in California is kind of galling. And they have only too many people around them who are willing to play right into it. Whether you're the one who lines up the harem to shake the hand at the end of the party, or you're the one who plans the dinner parties where the. The. The treasured guests may get the privilege of asking one question of their host as they, I guess listen for the rest of the time to the host ramble on about his thoughts on life. I'm good, thanks.

[Maureen Callahan]

Okay.

[Megyn Kelly]

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[Megyn Kelly]

hey everyone, it's me, Megyn Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on Sirius xm. It's called the Megyn Kelly channel. And it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apologies. Along with me, Megyn Kelly show, you're gonna hear from people like Mark Halperin, link Lauren Maureen Callahan, Emily jasinsky, Jesse Kelly, RealClear Politics, and many more. It's bold. No BS news only on the Megygyn Kelly Channel, SiriusXM 111 and on the Sirius XM app. Maureen Callahan, host of the Nerve is back with me. Now I've got a couple of good ones to get to before we go here. Don Lemon spoke to Kara Swisher at some summit over in London. And wait until you hear what he said. Sought 17 so Cash Patel wouldn't survive a Lemon administration. Cash Patel would not. So Cash Patel, nor Pete Hegseth, nor a Pam Bondi.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, you outlasted her.

[Megyn Kelly]

They would. Yeah, I know. Yeah. None of those people would, would ever be in a Don Lemon administration. It would actually be on meritocracy.

[Maureen Callahan]

All right, Away from this ridiculous speculation, would you ever consider running for office?

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, I would. I would.

[Maureen Callahan]

I don't know why.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. Wow.

[Maureen Callahan]

But you're gonna go right to friggin president.

[Megyn Kelly]

Well, why not? Why not?

[Maureen Callahan]

All right.

[Megyn Kelly]

I mean, I'm a man of a certain age.

[Maureen Callahan]

I've been around long enough. I've done, I've, you know, I've worked hard.

[Megyn Kelly]

I.

[Maureen Callahan]

You laugh. I know people laugh, but I know I'm not.

[Megyn Kelly]

I'm a completely self made person.

[Maureen Callahan]

I did not come from a wealth.

[Megyn Kelly]

I did not have $400 million to start. I've become a. I've made it all

[Maureen Callahan]

right to the top of my profession

[Megyn Kelly]

and I've also made it. I've also started a business and I'm a self made millionaire from a country

[Maureen Callahan]

where my ancestors were enslaved. So.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh my lord, could we be that lucky? Do it, Don. I believe in you. Do it.

[Maureen Callahan]

I just want to salute Kara Swisher's. Bravery in sitting with Don Lemon, since, as we know, in the world according to Don, women are past their peak at 50 something or prime. So, you know, it's kind of, it's just. It's just this whole little ecosystem of these people just buffering each other constantly, you know. Oh, Don, you totally have what it takes to be president. Are you gonna go straight to president? Well, I guess. Why not? And Don, who, you know, slightly before his firing, I'll never forget this image of him at New York Fashion Week, and he was standing in the center of a bunch of paparazzi and he had, like his Camel $2,000 coat hanging off of his shoulders and he was holding up both hands to show off his bejeweled fingers. And he was a CNN anchor at the time.

[Megyn Kelly]

It made it to the top of his profession. Did you. This guy.

[Maureen Callahan]

Again, the delusion. I love it. And also very rumored, reportedly to be very handsy out in where he's got a home in Sag harbor, married though he may be. Apparently there's no shortage of male waitstaff out in Sag harbor who've been accosted by the one and only Don Lemon, reportedly.

[Megyn Kelly]

Here's the other thing. Like, he, he makes himself sound like Trump, right? Like self made millionaire. Although Trump received some help from his dad. But he hadn't just sat at a cable news desk, which, as near as I can tell, is all Don Lemon had has ever done. He didn't have some career before he went into journalism. He just sat at the news desk and tried to look pretty and didn't do a very good job of it, was very dumb on the air. Everyone knew he was the dumbest person there and kept advancing because he kept reminding everybody he was black and he was gay, which worked for some time until it didn't, and now thinks that those things qualify him to run for president. So in any event, he's wrong. Donald Trump had built a fortune. He had built an empire. He had a casino. You know, he was a casino magnet. He had a line of hotels. The Trump name was ubiquitous in America. He also hosted the number one show for 10 plus years on NBC. Not CNN, primetime cable, but, you know, the Apprentice, which was all about money making and businesses and so on. In any event, just because Trump did it doesn't make it easy. Right? Trump has, like a weird, savvy gift for politics and messaging and marketing and how to reach people. Don Lemon does not have these gifts. So he's deluding himself. And it's kind of interesting now, speaking of journalists in the news, Sharon Alfonsi is a correspondent on 60 Minutes. She recently had a dust up with Barry Weiss at cbs. She's the new chief over there. And it was over Sharon Alphonse's piece on seacot, the prison where we're keeping people. Well, we're sending people over in El Salvador and they're being kept, their alleged Venezuelan gang members who have been in the United States illegally. Barry Weiss held Sharon Alphonse's piece for a few weeks because she allegedly wanted to make it more fair and balanced to Trump Sharon Alfonsi and many others. 60 Minutes took umbrage at that, saying it was fine. She, she barely did anything to it. And by the way, she had five screenings she could have gone to to raise these objections. She skipped them all and then at the last minute was like, we're pulling it, and unnecessarily gave Alphonse and CBS and C 60 Minutes a black eye. Now, there is a report that she is lawyering up and has reportedly contacted my lawyer, Brian Friedman, Justin Baldoni's lawyer, to represent her in a suit that she is getting ready to file against Barry Weiss, who reportedly is about to fire her or let her contract expire, which it does, within the next 30 days. This is according to page six. So you tell me what that tells you. I mean, to me, it's like Bari Weiss is loathed within the building at cbs. And some management, you know, of the zoo animals is really required when you are the new boss. You know, you can't just treat them like they're caged animals and shove the food in there and let them sit in their own slop. You actually have to be kind and respectful and somewhat nurturing of them and their work product. Or when you treat them like a zoo animal, they're going to come back against you like you're in for it. It's just to me, she doesn't get it. She doesn't get how to manage talent.

[Maureen Callahan]

You can't fire the whole newsroom and you can't alienate the whole newsroom. And this was her M.O. over at the Free Press. My understanding, terrible, terrible at managing people, convinced that she is always right, does not take to questioning or criticism. It's, you know, I think also when you come in at a level like that, it is your job to go and have lunch or coffee with your top talent, talk to them, see where they are, where they want to be, issues they're having, make it clear that you want to work with them. You want to be a place they can come to, or if you've got issues with how this thing is running, you know, what do you. You think it's that kind of. I just think the Ellisons are having major buyers remorse. That stunt she pulled with Sharon Alfonsi, that. That never really sat. Right. Because what Sharon and her producers also said, and many in the newsroom, was that they had gone to the Trump administration many times to get officials on the air to talk for this segment, and they refused or at least an

[Megyn Kelly]

on the record statement.

[Maureen Callahan]

Right. And Barry was like, well, you should go back again. And, you know, the reporter in them is like, how many times do I go back? Like, I'm not gonna go back.

[Megyn Kelly]

And they were saying, you can't spike a story just because the administration won't comment on it. That is true. That is true.

[Maureen Callahan]

Exactly.

[Megyn Kelly]

To me, it's. You can't, as the manager spike a reporter's story because you failed to look at it the five times it was screened.

[Maureen Callahan]

Right.

[Megyn Kelly]

Like, because you failed to find the deficiency until the. The night before it was supposed to be aired. You're setting the reporter up for an unnecessary embarrassment. That's what she did to Sharon Alphonso.

[Maureen Callahan]

Yes.

[Megyn Kelly]

Whether you like the piece or not, like you.

[Maureen Callahan]

You.

[Megyn Kelly]

You missed your window to weigh in. Now you're going to embarrass the entire network unnecessarily, and that's what she did to her. And so the. But she's reportedly angry because Alphonse leaked the story to the media about what Barry did. And reportedly, Barry wanted an investigation and she wanted her to potentially be sued over leaking. This is a news organization who's upset about leaks. I'm sorry, but that's kind of our business. You don't make a federal case out of it when it's literally your business to try to encourage leaks to you, even though sometimes they may come out about you. It just feels like sophomore in high school territory.

[Maureen Callahan]

Correct me if I'm wrong. First of all, if I had been that reporter, I would truly wonder if my. If the head of the newsroom was trying to sabotage me. That, like missing five screenings and then pulling it the night before when, guess what? It leaked in Canada. The Canadians saw it. So now you look even sloppier than that. Secondly, I don't think Bari Weiss has ever, ever worked as an investigative reporter. I don't think she's ever done a door knock.

[Megyn Kelly]

I don't think she's ever worked in

[Maureen Callahan]

television, parachuted into a field she was an opinion columnist. It's a very comfy, cozy job. She doesn't know what she's doing. She doesn't know the basics of investigative journalism.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah, no. And she doesn't know anything about television. And it actually is a specific art form that you do need to know a thing or two about in order to do it well. And it's not happening. CBS has, has literally record low ratings across the board. The morning show, the evening show, they have fallen precipitously since she took over. I don't think these shows are going to make it. And she's steadily running CBS into the ground. Her new bosses, the Ellisons, may love her personally, but they're not going to have any choice professionally but to reevaluate this decision some point soon. Because this is just, it's a. It's a disaster. For their flagship property, for their morning show, for their evening show, for their talent. Okay, I want to get to some good news. I think Ridgeland Farms, it's this place in Wisconsin, there were 1500 beagles being used for animal testing. It's so sad. And this hero went in to this Wisconsin facility and stole the beagles. I like. All I can say is, good for you, sir. Wayne Sung H S I U N G and he's now being charged with burglary because they did steal the beagles. But of course, I think most of us are in favor of it. This is him opening the door, by the way. They. In 2025, a judge found probable cause that this facility had been broken Wisconsin anti cruelty laws, including certain medical procedures that were being done without proper anesthesia and inadequate sanitation and ventilation. And they, they got a slap on the wrist. And this guy Seung said, you know what? They got off too easy and thought this was a rescue mission where they went in there and rescued. Look at these beagles. All these beagles. Big Ranch Dog Rescue and the center for a Humane Economy reached a deal to rehouse the 1500 dogs. And there are many people who say it's theft, it's wrong. You know, what did you think your shampoo was tested on before it got to you? This guy has also stolen hens that are laying eggs. Do you eat eggs? Yes, I do. So it doesn't make me a hypocrite. It I, maybe I'm wrong, but I see a difference between hens that are laying eggs that we eat and beagles that are being abused with inappropriate anesthesia before we perform procedures on them. That is so effed up and I applaud. This guy, I am completely on his side.

[Maureen Callahan]

I, I, I'm just seeing this now because I did see.

[Megyn Kelly]

This is a video of one of the beagles being taken to the beach by his new owner. Before she put him down, she just brought him to the beach. It was his first look at the ocean. And he does the doggy paddle in her arms. It's instinctual. It's instinctive. Look at him. Look at him.

[Maureen Callahan]

God.

[Megyn Kelly]

Oh, the sweetest, sweetest baby.

[Maureen Callahan]

Oh, these dogs, they're gonna need a lot of love and a lot of special care because they've been, they've been abused. This, this is, they've come out of a trauma and now they, they don't quite know their safety. Like, I hope that's not AI I hope that's real. I see these things with animals, right? But yeah, no, animal testing in general is terrible. I can't believe, as we now enter the AI era, that it's going to be necessary to continue except in probably the most extreme kinds of testing, like in terms of looking for a cure for cancer, et cetera. But no, this is a, it's a Robin Hood feel good story to be sure.

[Megyn Kelly]

Yeah. I'm ready to adopt a beagle. And I do not need another dog, Maureen Callahan. I do not need one.

[Maureen Callahan]

Well, from everything you say, Strudwick keeps you on your toes. So, you know, buyer beware, I suppose, or adopter beware.

[Megyn Kelly]

You know, we love him. He's lucky. He's so cute and so sweet. But I'm thinking about getting one of those beagles. Great to see you, my friend. Have a great weekend.

[Maureen Callahan]

So good to see you, Megan.

[Megyn Kelly]

Lots of love. Lots of love to all of you too. And happy Mother's Day to all the moms out there. Have a great weekend and we'll see you on Monday. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.

[Maureen Callahan]

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