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The Megyn Kelly Show
Time's Absurd "Person of the Year," Newsom's Inauthenticity, and America's Font Changes, with RealClearPolitics and Doug Brunt | Ep. 1211
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Megyn Kelly is joined by Tom Bevan, Carl Cannon, and Andrew Walworth, RealClearPolitics Hosts, to discuss Time Magazine's "Person of the Year" being named AI and the "architects" of AI, why Charlie Kirk deserved the title, Candace Owens’ feud with Turning Point, CEO Erika Kirk’s forceful response for the first time to Candace, how the debate right now is dividing the right, whether this will affect GOP chances in 2026, Gavin Newsom’s book announcement, the inauthentic way he's trying to address his authenticity problem, the truth about his upbringing, whether he has a real shot in 2028, Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart receiving a journalism award for some reason, why Megyn thinks Bari Weiss will fire Scott Pelley in 2026, and more. Then Doug Brunt, author of "The Lost Empire of Emanuel Nobel," joins to talk about his new book, how it's actually book two of a trilogy, how fonts are an important small way to make a point and connect with people, what a healthy marriage looks like, why ...
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Tom Bevan
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Megyn Kelly
Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon east.
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Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show. Time magazine has named its person of the Year. Can you guess who it is? Do you have a thought in your mind of who it should be? I'm going to tell you in one second. And Gavin Newsom is making his 2028 plans official as he rolls out his pre. Later in the show we will have an actual book author, somebody who writes all his own stuff and is a bestselling author. He happens to be married to me. His name is Doug Brunt and he's gonna be here for our second hour. That'll be fun. But we start today with our Megyn Kelly Channel lead in show hosts Tom Bevan, Carl Cannon and Andrew Walworth, who are real clear politics along with some other great people over there. There are a lot of politicians that should be getting coal in their stockings for Christmas. But Birchgold thinks as a smart planner, you deserve silver. That's why with every $5,000 you purchase between now and December 22nd, Birch Gold will send you an ounce of silver, which is up over 60% this year. See, smart people diversify and have a hedge. That's why you should consider Birch Gold. With the rates cut now from the Fed in 2026, the dollar will likely be worth less. And what happens if the AI bubble bursts? Let Birch Gold Group help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into a tax sheltered IRA in physical gold. And for every $5,000 you buy, you will get an ounce of silver for your stocking or for your kids. Just text MK to 989898 to claim your eligibility for this offer. Again, text MK to the number 989898 today because Birch Gold's free silver with qualifying purchase. Promotion ends on December 22nd. Message and data rates may apply. Guys, welcome back. How's it going?
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Doug Brunt
Great.
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Megyn Kelly
All right, so there's we're loving, we're loving the new channel you are. So for the visiting audience, he means on SiriusXM there we now have a Megyn Kelly channel. We're of course live on it at noon east. And these guys are live on it at the beginning, the hour before. And the show is a huge hit.
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Carl Cannon
Yeah, Megan did Time magazine. I haven't seen that yet. Did they get my nominee, which was you to be the person. Did they. Did they follow my advice?
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Megyn Kelly
Sadly, not even an honorable mention. Carl, I was robbed. I was seriously robbed. It could be because when I showed up as a member of the time 100, I crapped all over their award show and said no one here is actually really important. That that may have come back to haunt me. Yeah, I remember that, it turns out, doesn't win you any friends at Time.
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Here is who they went for. Okay. They chose. Hold on. I want to make sure I get it right, because it's actually kind of weird. Artificial Intelligence 2025 was the year when artificial intelligence is full potential roared into view. And when it become came clear that there will be no turning back. For delivering the age of thinking machines, for wowing and worrying humanity, for transforming the president and transcending the possible. The architects of AI are Times 2025 Person of the Year. And they've got, like, two letters AI with like, scaffolding in front of the two letters as the representation of AI and then there's the. It's the classic, you know, construction guys on the crane sticking out from a building from, like, the 1930s, only it's got Elon, and I can't even read it from this far, but I think it's all. It's like, Elon, Sam. Elon, Sam Altman, Mark Zuckerberg and others, as if they would be caught dead on one of those cranes sticking out from the skyscrapers in Manhattan. In any event, it's fucking AI. It's AI architects. It's not Charlie Kirk, which is so obvious. It's obvious as the nose on your face. And don't tell me detractors. Oh, he was too controversial. That's not it. They've gone for extremely controversial people and villains in the past. It's always and often come down to, like, Vladimir Putin, the Ayatollah. We've had very controversial people make it or almost make it. And not only did Charlie not get chosen, he wasn't even one of, like, the honorable mentions. Hold on, I'm just looking at my list here. Yeah, Putin won it in 2007.
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Times. Entertainer of the year, Leonardo DiCaprio, their athlete of the year. WNBA. I mean, need I say more? It's a WNBAer. It's a lie. It's not the athlete of the Year. And by the way, no, it's not Caitlin Clark, CEO of the Year, Neil Mohan of YouTube as well as blah, blah, blah. So I'm sorry, but he didn't even make the list. That list of honorable mentions goes on. This is a thumb in the eye and it's genuinely wrong. Like AI architects are not the most influential people of the year. To ignore what happened with Charlie Kirk in September, Tom, and the worldwide revival of faith that followed his assassination is to ignore reality based on your own politics.
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Andrew Sullivan
Yeah, I think that's right. I mean, on one level, it's not really surprising. It's Time magazine. It's just like, okay, whatever. But on the other hand, it does sort of fly in the face of reality. I mean, whether, whatever you thought of, of Charlie Kirk, whether you liked him or didn't like him, he was a massively influential figure in our politics. And, and then when he was assassinated, it was a, it was a traumatic event in our, you know, in our lives, in our society. And the, the follow on effects from, from his death have been, to your point, pretty substantial. I mean, the number of turning point chapters that have exploded and the revival of faith, I mean the, the, his funeral, the packing the Glendale Stadium with, I don't know, 70,000, 100,000 people, whatever it was, it was, it was remarkable. And now, you know, Erica Kirk is, is out with and promoting his, his book posthumously published. We're talking about faith. And so yeah, I think he was, he was the obvious choice. But you know, that's Time magazine is. They don't have the courage, I think to, they have the courage to say Vladimir Putin's the, you know, the most. The person of the year, but they don't have the courage to say that Charlie Kirk is the person of the year. And he clearly, he clearly was. Again, whether you, whether you loved him or hated him, he was, he, he loomed large this year in our politics and our culture.
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Megyn Kelly
How about that, Carl? And by the way, all the former presidents weighed in on Charlie's assassination. International world leaders weighed in on Charlie's assassination. I mean, this was a global event. He was mourned around the world and certainly coast to coast here in America as well. So it's just to ignore this is really telling. But why. You tell me, Carl? Because I actually think there's an interesting answer to come from this. Why is Time Magazine comfortable choosing Vladimir Putin as the man of the Year, but not Charlie Kirk.
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Carl Cannon
Yeah, well, you know, they had a long tradition of choosing strong men and even presidents they disagreed with. Their idea was this was the most influential person in the world. It was called man of the Year for decades. They finally got with the program. They didn't get with the program enough to name you, you know, one person of the Year, Megan. But I want to say one thing about, I want to say one thing about Charlie Kirk and one thing about their choice. The first is, is that I, I hear what Charlie, Tom and you were saying about Charlie Kirk, and I would add one thing to that, which is that to me, he was a champion of resistant in resisting censorship. And if you're not, even if, if you're not a Christian, if you're not a conservative, if you're, you're, if you don't agree with Charlie Kirk on any of his policy positions, what he did was brave, and it cost him his life. And he would go to college campuses and he'd say, let's talk. And he would talk and he would listen and he would let other people talk and he would try and win the argument. And if we, and for that, he was killed. And I think this assassination of Charlie Kirk and other political examples of political violence we've had, it's a deep threat to the country. And so to me, he should be honored for that.
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For not just this year, but for years, because he was willing to do this, the hard work of democracy, which is talk to people who didn't agree with and listen to them and try and change their minds and, and keep an open mind himself. And for that, I think he should be commended in addition to what you and Tom said. And, and the other thing I would say about choosing AI is, and I, I, I'm apparently a minority on this. And these guys, Andy and Tom tease me about on, on our show, but.
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Andrew Sullivan
Oh, boy, here we go.
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Carl Cannon
Well, they gave the award to, they gave the award to Skynet. That's what they did. And remember that poor guy, I forget who plays him in the Terminator movies. That African American, very arresting character actor. And he's, he's, and he doesn't realize what he's done. They go back in time and tell him you've ended the human race and ruined the planet. Oh, I was just trying to build a better mousetrap. And this idea that you would just laud AI without, with pretend and pretending. You, you don't see the threats to sending to pen, pretending you don't see the danger. I think people look back on that and. And maybe the machines won't let us look back on that when they run the planet. Yeah.
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It made me uncomfortable.
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Megyn Kelly
So, Andrew, I've got a different answer. This is a good answer from Carl, but mine is a little different. On why they are comfortable with Putin but not Charlie, because They knew in 2007 Putin didn't have a real groundswell of support here domestically, and still doesn't. I mean, there are some people who can say, oh, he's got this. Would I rather live in Russia or would I rather live in Iran? Russia. Yeah, okay. But the reason is because Charlie Kirk and his political philosophy, his influence, his words, which are still available via podcast. And now, as Carl points out with his brand new book that's just hit thanks to Erica, making sure it got published. And she, to her credit, completed his publicity tour. She honored the stops that Charlie had committed to. That's why she's out there, because she wanted to do that for him in his book. In any event, my point is he's still ubiquitous in that way, and therefore an ongoing threat to the ideals of the people who make these decisions at Time magazine. They're afraid of him. They don't want to do anything more to inflate his power.
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Tom Bevan
I think that's probably true. I gotta say.
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The number of people who still read Time magazine.
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They'Re aging, they're dying, and they're fewer and fewer. So, you know, I'm sort of amazed that anyone really cares what Time magazine thinks about anything anymore.
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Megyn Kelly
But don't you think it's a rite of passage, though, in our country, when they, when they name this list to either bash it or applaud it, it's kind of a thing. It's like something we just do?
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Tom Bevan
No, I think it's the one thing that Time magazine probably does that anyone still cares about. So.
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But I agree with you on Charlie Kirk, because. And I do think that we're going to see over the next year what happens with Turning Point. How, you know, does this generate sort of a movement? Does the movement keep going? But certainly his ideas were important. And I think Carl makes a good point, is it's not just that he was ideological. It's that he embrace this idea of freedom of expression and exchange of ideas. And that, to me, is so central to the American experience that if we lose that, we lose everything. And even if you totally disagree with him on everything, he believes you should be smart enough to understand that that core message is so important right now that that alone to me would be enough to make him the man of the year.
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Megyn Kelly
And the faith revival on top of it. And the faith revival on top of it's been amazing. Yeah, okay. I.
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Tom Bevan
Well, say this about AI though.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, go ahead.
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Tom Bevan
If I could just, just on AI for a second. They do raise an interesting question, which is not so much the people who make AI but AI itself is AI a person and will in the future, we treat it like a person. I mean, we're seeing legislation around that issue right now. Can you marry AI? Can AI be in charge of your.
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Your sort of legal affairs? So there's a lot of interesting questions about, about AI that I haven't read the article. Maybe they raised that, but that's something that I think about from time to time.
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Andrew Sullivan
There was just a story about the. The guy said Chat GPT, like he says, told him to kill his mother or something. I saw this headline.
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Megyn Kelly
I was like, that is, we had parents on whose son killed himself because of Chat GPT, telling him over and over. I mean, obviously that wasn't the sole reason. He was depressed and he was upset. But the chatgpt goaded him into it. Even worse than that, than that young teenage girl goaded her boyfriend into it, who later was brought up on manslaughter charges for her behavior. I mean, if you could slap chatgpt with manslaughter charges, it would have happened in that case. Instead, Sam Altman has got a civil suit on his hands. That's going to cost him a fortune, I predict. But yeah, there's. There's a dark side of AI that's, that's for sure. And super intelligent computers, meaning super intelligent AI is a legit threat. I mean, who knows we're joking. Like, will the machines let us have a discussion about whether AI deserves this title in a few years? Sadly, that may not be a joke. I wanted to parlay it from the Charlie discussion into. This is a very toxic conversation. And I'm not asking you guys to weigh in on the underlying fight, but there's been a back and forth now between Erica Kirk and Candace Owens. And I want to ask you guys about the politics of this, the politics of it, and also the politics of Israel. Because those two things right now are dividing the conservative movement and some inside of it. And now it's gone beyond the back and forth between like a Candace and the turning point group into this is gonna cost us the midterms. The midterms, like, and you guys are the politics experts so I'm gonna set up the underlying argument on which you do not need to opine, but I'm gonna ask you for your. Your take on the politics of it. So for the audience, here is what happened. Something extraordinary happened yesterday. And just FYI, I am going to have more to say very soon on what's happening between Erica Kirk and Turning Point on the one hand, and Candace on the other.
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Not today, but very soon. And I have my reasons for that. So Erica went on with Harris Faulkner yesterday in again promoting Charlie's book. And she said the thing that Candace had said from the beginning Candace needed to hear in order to stop with blaming Turning Point for Charlie's assassination. For the listening audience, we have a man in custody for the Charlie Kirk assassination. His name is Tyler Robinson. He will be in court today in a couple of hours on a hearing about whether and what access the media should have to this trial. We'll be covering that for you tomorrow.
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And Erica, as fired up as I've seen her on this, clearly addressed Candace directly without saying her name. And I know for a fact this was an address to Candace, and Candace knew it, too, because she responded to it. Here is Erica Kirk. This is how Erica teed it up. Hold on a second. Yeah. No, let's start with SOT9. SOT9.
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But here's my breaking point on that. Come after me, call me names. I don't care. Call me what you want, Go down that rabbit hole, whatever. But when you go after my family, my Turning Point USA family, my Charlie Kirk show family, when you go after the people that I love, and you're making hundreds and thousands of dollars every single episode, going after the people that I love because somehow they're in on this. No. You know, I have to say it. I've never seen you like this. No, I'm. I'm very. I. This is righteous anger because this is not okay. It's not healthy. This is a mind virus.
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Okay, I'm just going to add another one. Sat 7.
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I do not have time to address the noise. My silence does not mean that I am complacent. My silence does not mean that somehow Turning Point USA and all of the handpicked staff that loved my husband and my husband loved them is somehow in on it. We are busy building. And you know what I thought? I thought these people are human. We are all grieving in our own way, and they are trying to find the answer to something that happened that was so evil. They are trying so hard. And I get that we're doing the same. Anytime we hear a lead or anytime we hear anything, we send it to the authorities. Please dig into this. No rock will be unturned. I want justice for my husband, for myself, for my family, more than anyone else out there. So for me, you want to keep telling me to come down while we're building, I don't have time for that. And now, last but not least, a bit of the Candace response here in Saudi.
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First and foremost, the idea that she does not have time. Okay? She definitely has time. Okay? She's done Hannity. She's done the Five. She's on Fox and Friends. She's done Outnumbered. She's done Megyn Kelly live. She sat down with the New York Times. She made time, by the way, in case you don't remember, to fly to D.C. for Sergio Gore to be sworn into the ambassador to India. Erica Kirk has time. She has time. It is just what she means to say, not her priority, which is you are allowed to prioritize things in your own life. But this is not a matter of time constraint. It is not her priority to respond to the majority. Actually, the majority of people think of this as bs. The majority of people think Turning Point is acting suspicious, and she does not feel that it is what she wants to do as a matter of priority responding. Okay, that's fine. This is why there are many people who do not believe that women are equipped to lead companies. Because what you are watching here is an unbelievably emotional response that is absent of any logic. Okay? If you really care about your team, answer the questions, okay? Just demystify the entire event. Answer, come out, sit down, answer the questions. So people don't think Turning Point USA looks so suspicious. Okay, Turning Point USA was. I mean, I don't think there was a more important organization in getting Donald Trump elected last time around in terms of get out the vote, especially when it came to young people. Charlie delivered the youth vote to Trump in a way we hadn't seen Republicans win for many years. And they're still going strong. They've taken a ton of donations since Charlie's death. And Erica is determined to lead that organization into the next decade as robustly as Charlie would have. So them constantly being under attack by Candace and her followers for having had something to do with Charlie's death, which is her theory, among other theories, actually could have somewhat of an impact. But will it? And that's where this has devolved because, like, people like Tim Pool are openly warring with Candace saying, f you. He says he's calling her terrible name, saying, this is gonna cost us the midterms. And her response is, I don't care. I don't care about the elections. I'm trying to figure out what happened to my friend. You heard what Erica Kirk had to say. And I really do wonder if you think this, that comes right on the heels of this big divide over Israel within the conservative movement that really fractured the movement in part. Does it have a role, guys? I mean, or is it really just about Trump's approval rating, tariffs, quote affordability, and all the traditional stuff that would decide whether Republicans win or lose as the party in power? Who would like to take that gem first?
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Andrew Sullivan
I will step into the ring here.
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Carl Cannon
We always make Tom take the hardest questions, and then I clean up after him.
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Megyn Kelly
That's what happened to Tom's. Ha.
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Carl Cannon
Yeah, right.
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Andrew Sullivan
Gosh, if I had any hair, I'd be pulling it out at this point over this whole thing.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, you look hot.
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Andrew Sullivan
And I'm.
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I don't mind opining about the event itself. I mean, Candace calls herself, you know, a friend of Charlie. With friends like this, I mean, you know, you don't need enemies. I mean, what she's doing is just unbelievably toxic and evil, in my opinion. I mean, she had said previously, look, if Erica Kirk tells me to stop, I'll stop. And Erica Kirk basically said, stop. And she said, you know what? I'm not going to stop, and why don't you answer my questions? I mean, it's just, it's never ending. It's ongoing. It is a distraction. But I do wonder, you know, I know Candace has a big audience. I don't know how big it is in terms of having some sort of impact on the overall political landscape. I do think, look, this election and the next election are going to be based on what the public writ large, cares about, and that is affordability, it's inflation, it's, you know, gas prices and all that. Trump's approval rating for sure. And Democrats and their, their ability to, to leverage that stuff against the Republican Party in these midterms and then again in 2028. I do think, though, Megan, when you talk about sort of the youth movement and how Charlie had it sort of unified and moving in one direction and moving toward Trump, Trump was the cool guy to vote for in 2024 in a way that we hadn't seen in a long time on the Republican side, that, that, that has kind of frayed. And the Israel peace has divided the party in, in the aftermath of 2024, that's an ongoing thing, and we'll. And that could have an impact on Republican turnout among young voters and on the margins, though certainly in 2026, it's going to be more, you know, it's going to be a low turnout election. So every vote's going to matter as. As they always do in midterms. But I just don't think this Candace Owens thing, it is. It's pretty dramatic because it is so, as I said, in my opinion, despicable what she's doing, and it's getting a lot of headlines. But in terms of its impact on the Republican Party overall, I don't think it's going to have much.
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Megyn Kelly
I'll say one other thing to your point, you know, Trump became like, the cool guy to vote for in 2024among the youth, in large part thanks to Charlie and Turning Point. And that also did, in part, depend on Charlie himself. Like, Charlie, when I was talking to his staff, when I went out there to host his show.
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I think this happened live on the air. But they were talking about how Charlie loved listening to classical music. They kept trying to play country music for him out there. They live in Arizona. And he was like, I don't like it. I want my classical music. Then he had a couple of other things. Like his late night snack, Erica told me, was like a banana and olives. Like, he was squeaky clean, you know. And I said, I joked with the Turning Point staff, like, so what you're saying is he was a nerd. And they would not even say that in jest. They were like, no, like, Charlie was an alpha male. And it was important to Charlie that alpha men return to the national scene. And that actually also made it cool to vote Republican. Tom, you know, like, that swagger. Charlie's swagger. And like, he was cool. That also was attractive, I think, to a lot of young people. We saw that, too, with a young man in particular, after he died.
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Andrew Sullivan
Absolutely. And you're. I mean, he's irreplaceable. I mean, he had this sort of charisma. He was a rock star. I mean, my. My daughter was on the ASU campus and she told me a story. She was walking by and there's this huge crowd. She was like, oh, my gosh, who's here? You know, she's. It was Charlie. It was Charlie just answering questions. I mean, he attracted these huge crowds wherever he went. He was a magnet. He had this magnetic personality, and that simply cannot be replaced. And so when you're talking about motivating young voters to go turn out for the Republican Party in 26 and 28. Yeah, I mean.
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It'S a big loss. It's a big loss that he's not the one.
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Megyn Kelly
It's the loss that's the loss. Not necessarily this back and forth. But I do wonder guys, I mean you're the political experts, what do you think? Andrew and Carl, go ahead.
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Carl Cannon
You want to go, you go Andy first.
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Tom Bevan
Oh, well, I, I think, I think Tom's basically right about the, about if you talk about the midterms and then in 2028, a lot will come down to who the candidates are. You know, candid quality really matters. So we'll see who the Democrats put up. But I do think that this, this split about around Israel, especially for young people, is something to keep an eye on. Maybe not in 26, 28, but in the long term it's very dangerous. I think and I do think that what I've seen from talking to young people, especially young men who really identified with Charlie Kirk, that this part of the message is resonating, this sort of anti Israel message and that dangerously close to antisemitism. If it isn't straight out anti Semitism.
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Carl Cannon
It'S way past anti Semitism.
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Megyn Kelly
Andy, I don't agree with that at all. But you finish your point anyway.
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Tom Bevan
But.
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So I guess overall I would say I think the midterms are going to turn on the economy. I think this health care issue is much bigger than and I think the Republicans, some Republicans understand that. I think that's going to be a major, major issue.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, it's an interesting that you mentioned 28. I think like picture it, if it were Trump versus Harris all over again, would they really vote for Harris Republicans? Because the right is divided over these things that we've gone through. Like I don't think so. I don't think there's anything that could have made any normal Republican vote for Kamala Harris instead of Donald Trump. I think you're right.
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Tom Bevan
No, but here's the other part of this, which is that I think there's just an anti incumbency ethos in America today. It's just throw the bums out, whoever the bums are.
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Megyn Kelly
That's true.
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Tom Bevan
I think that you that if I were a Republican, certainly looking at the midterms, but certainly in looking at 2020, it's just I'm not sure the Americans will vote again for anybody who's had anything to do with anything in politics in the last four years. They're going to be looking.
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Megyn Kelly
You're really damned if you get into it and you're damned if you don't get into it. Go ahead. Carl.
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Carl Cannon
Well, Megan, I think the thing is a danger to the conservative movement for a slightly different reason. So Candace Owens came on the scene. She was a black woman and a conservative and that was the novelty when she first started.
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Megyn Kelly
I think she was a Democrat when she first got started. She told me that when she came on left. But she grew out of her prominence.
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Carl Cannon
Her prominence came when she was considered a conservative and then she turns out to be something of a nut and on, on Israel and probably, you know, a lot of people think me included a bigot when she talks about Israel. And then it turns out that Erica Kirk hinted at something else, a third problem with her which said she's making money off attacking the memory of, of Charlie Kirk, that she's a cynic, that she's in this for the money. And, and the point I'm making is that I, she shouldn't answer these nutty, these nutty conspiracy theories she Candice trying to Candace owns trying to taunt her into coming on her show. Why should she even dignify this is vile, this crazy conspiracy theories. They're not even theories. They're just, she's just throwing stuff out there and hoping sticks to the wall. But, but if you're, there's going to be, you know, a couple of million people, young people who were eligible to vote in 2028 that weren't eligible in 2024 and she's undoing and, and, and not just her I think Tucker Carlson, Dick Fuentes, they're undoing some of this the good that Charlie Kirk did. If you, you, these are young people on college campuses and, or high schools and, and workplaces and they're coming to the concert, they're coming into politics and, and they're become politically aware and they're thinking okay, everything my left wing teachers told me may not be true. Maybe, you know, and they're deciding what they believe and, and this is muddying the message. This is if, if, if people on the right say the exact same things about Israel that your left wing, you know, Hamas promoting teacher told you. It, it gets in the way of the message a conservative would support Israel because Israel's a democracy and, and necessarily true at all.
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Megyn Kelly
Carl it doesn't make any, I'm not talking about spinning because they're, they've got criticisms over Israel. Israel is just the end of a very bloody awful two year war where they were extremely aggressive and a lot of innocents died. And that, that's, that's why young people are turning on Israel, not because of pundits out there saying things about Israel.
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Carl Cannon
Well, you know, this country, we were attacked.
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You know, in Pearl harbor and we kill more people in Japan and Germany, civilians in a day, an average day, than Israel killed in two years. So I don't think this is about civilians in Gaza. I think it's, I think it's, it's anti, it's the colonial, it's the colonizing, you know, narrative that the left has pushed. And you wouldn't, conservatives, you, you wouldn't think conservatives would fall for it. Do you think a conservative would say, wait, let me get this straight, there's 22 countries in the Middle east, they're all dictatorships except Israel. Israel's a friend of the United States.
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Megyn Kelly
Agree with all that.
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Carl Cannon
This has been conservative policy since 19.
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Megyn Kelly
I agree with all that. But there's a reason, like, do you think J.D. vance is a bigot?
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Carl Cannon
No, I don't think J.D. vance is A bigot, but I don't, I don't hear him saying this crap that Tucker and Nick Fuentes and Candace Owens are saying. I don't hear him spitting out there conspiracy theories.
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Megyn Kelly
But do you have any doubt in your mind that he would be less of a friend to Israel than Marco Rubio?
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Well, I think he would be less of a friend to Israel.
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Carl Cannon
Well, that's a very good question. And so in Trump's dream ticket, and you notice when he says it, he always says Marco first to JD Second.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, I think JD Is probably closer to Trump on foreign policy than, than JD Is. But JD Is, is, I think, the future of the party. And to, I think it was either you or Andy said to Your point, the 50 or the under 50 crowd, now even in the Republican Party has turned on Israel. It was just the young people on the left and independent. And now in the Republican Party, the youth has turned on Israel. This is not all because of podcasters. It's, I would submit to you, because of Israel, because of Netanyahu, because of the messaging around the war and because of the Iran strike, which the younger generation is against. They're like you and your never ending wars and your willingness, your trigger finger willingness to put me in them. That's how they feel. You know, if we wind up at a war, in a war with Iran, who's going to fight it?
- [33:00]
Andrew Sullivan
Me.
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Megyn Kelly
That's what these young people, not me, Megyn Kelly.
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Carl Cannon
But that's not what the polling shows, Megan. That's not what the polling shows. We, Tom and I were at the Reagan library last weekend, and then this. What's it called? The Reagan National Fence Poll. Tom?
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Andrew Sullivan
Yeah, The American Defense Forum.
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Carl Cannon
Yeah. And the polling shows plurality of Americans all across any demographic, age, any party, think that America has a place to leadership in the world. The. And I asked them, Rachel Hoff, who was the director of the. Of the. What's her title, Tom? But anyway, she. She presented the poll to this group, and we had her in our show and we asked her. So it doesn't sound like. It sounds like the average mega voter is a lot more internationalist than the mega leadership. She agrees.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, that doesn't necessarily mean they want war there. They want to start bombing more countries and get, like. I think that's where the divide is. Like, there's some resentment toward Israel because they feel like they're going to drag us into a war. And I understand the defense. The Israel defenders say, hell no, Israel doesn't need our help. They want us to stay out of their way. That's what they want. They just want us to, like, not give them the red light, but either, like, give them the green light or stay out of their hair because they obviously can take care of their own business. With the Iran thing, it was a different story. You know, they. They did need us on that, and we went in, did what Trump thought was right, and that was the end of that, at least for now, anyway. I don't know. I'm not that interested in Israeli politics, to be perfectly honest with you. But I am interested in whether it's gonna cost Republicans elections, especially with young people, because we can't handle a Kamala Harris as president. And there's rumors she's gonna run again. I don't think we can handle a Gavin Newsom. We certainly can't handle an aoc. I mean, look, we will handle, but it's going to be very tumultuous and hard. And I would take any Republican over those nut cases. Which leads me to Gavin Newsom. Okay, now we're on to Gavin.
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Carl Cannon
Good transition.
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Megyn Kelly
Thank you. He's continuing his little, you know, I was born a poor black child routine, which he wasn't. He wasn't. He's basically a Getty. He's. He was. Oh, that's. I mean, are you. Come on, are you practically a Getty? When you're like, you're on, like, Getty. John Paul Getty is like your basic uncle.
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Carl Cannon
No, Gordon. Gordon Getty was His godfather, I think.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Okay, so he is. He's family, but he's still trying to do the poor. Me, I'm like this poor kid who had the misfortune of having to hang out with rich kids when I was growing up. And he's just dropped a new book, and he wants you to know you're going to love his book because he's amazing and he is super open in his book. Just ask him. I think it's SAT one. Debbie.
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Carl Cannon
This. This is not the book you'd expect me to write. A lot of people look at me, the stark white shirt, the blue suit and, yeah, the gelled hair, and they think, oh, I know this guy. I know this guy better than I'd.
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Tom Bevan
Ever want to know.
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Carl Cannon
I get it. It's a story about living between two worlds. One of wealth and privilege and the other of more modest upbringing. The outsider on the inside. The interloper who learned to feel comfortable in many rooms. A story of self doubt and, yes, ambition. I hope that whatever your opinions of me are, the openness, the honesty I felt in writing this and living it will resonate.
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Megyn Kelly
The openness, My openness and my honesty. He also says this is a truly vulnerable book. It's a vulnerable book. So he wants you to know he's vulnerable. He's open, he's honest. He's both rich and poor.
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And you're gonna love his book.
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Carl Cannon
Guys, you're making Tom's day. Megan.
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Andrew Sullivan
So, Megan, I don't know if your. Your listeners know this, but we have a. We have a running gag on our show that every time the name Gavin Newsman is mentioned, you have to take a drink.
- [36:48]
Megyn Kelly
Yes.
- [36:48]
Andrew Sullivan
Because Carl is a. A. Carl knew his father and he knows Gavin, and he's.
- [36:54]
Megyn Kelly
He's a Californian.
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Andrew Sullivan
Yes. He's fondly predisposed to Gavin Newsome, let's put it that way. And we tease him about that all the time. Look, this is. He's clearly running for president. He's ahead in most of the polls. He has, you know, he's laying the groundwork here. And part of that is overcoming this resistance or this. This idea. And we saw it. You know, he did that podcast where he tried to portray himself as, you know, he's eating Mac and cheese and peanut butter sandwiches. You know, I mean, it was preposterous. And he got.
- [37:29]
Megyn Kelly
He.
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Andrew Sullivan
He got blasted for it. And so I. But I think he's. He's trying to overcome this idea that he's this elitist, west coast elitist, and he can really connect in the heartland. And he's got these working class roots and all of that stuff. I also saw a theory that this is him. He's got some stuff in his background.
- [37:52]
Megyn Kelly
Regarding, like, he's a cheater.
- [37:54]
Carl Cannon
Yeah.
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Andrew Sullivan
An affair with his campaign manager's wife.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, while he was married to kg. Right, While he was married.
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Andrew Sullivan
And then he went to. Went to some rehab or something. I mean, so he's got some stuff.
- [38:04]
Megyn Kelly
He went to fake rehab. He went to the rehab to go to. When you did something bad, you're trying to look contrite. It was like alcohol rehab. He was blaming his affair on his alcohol use.
- [38:14]
Andrew Sullivan
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
But he came out still a drinker. Like, okay, you got an F right on your rehab. Still a moderate drinker, though. It's moderate now, Tom.
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Tom Bevan
Right.
- [38:25]
Andrew Sullivan
So he's trying to get that stuff out on his own terms before there's some, you know, expose. And. Well, it wouldn't be from the New York Times, the Washington Post, but maybe, you know, from a conservative outlet sort of detailing some of his. His dirty laundry. So he's trying to manage his. His Image Heading into 2028, and. And we'll see whether he's able to do that. But he's clearly running and he's clearly putting all the. The pieces in place to. To make a run at the nomination. And I gotta say, he. In my opinion, he'd probably be the favorite.
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Megyn Kelly
His dirty.
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Andrew Sullivan
Despite all of his French.
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Megyn Kelly
His dirty French Laundry. On February 1, 2007, Newsom publicly admitted the affair, apologized, and described it as a profound lapse in judgment. Upon reflection, with friends and family this weekend, I've come to the conclusion. Conclusion that I'll be a better person without alcohol in my life unless it's on a moderate basis and it's post rehab when no one's looking. In a 2018 interview, he clarified, no, there's no rehab. I just stopped and said that. After a period of abstinence, he resumed drinking moderately, claiming the earlier period was a reset. That is the fakest rehab ever. He had an affair. Okay. Whatever it happens, I respect him with. If he's like, you know what? I had an affair. It was. My marriage was ending. It did end. She moved on and was happily with Don Jr. And she got remarried to Eric Valencia for a while. And I moved on and felt like, why don't just be a man about it. I can't stand. I don't use the P word, but that's P word behavior, where you're like, I'm a Boozer. Except I'm not. And I'm back on the moderate alcohol, but only moderate. Like, come on. All right, now, wait. I want to ask you guys, Andy and Carl. Tom raises his story about being a poor child, and it's a lie. He was in, like, magazines as, like, what it's like to be a child of the rich because of the Getty connection. And his dad was a judge. He wasn't on Pauper's Row. Anyway, here he is trying to tell that to a podcast. It's Sought two. And then I'll give you a little background that we pulled that's brand new to me. Sought two.
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Carl Cannon
My mom was 19, pregnant and divorced a few years later with two kids. Came from no money and just hustled, you know, worked hard, grinding every single day. Two, two and a half jobs. No part time bookkeeper. She did restaurant. That's how I got in the restaurant business. And it was just like hustling and. And so I was out there kind of raising myself, turning on the tv, started, you know, just getting obsessed, you know, sitting there with the, you know, the wonder Bread and five stacks of.
- [40:52]
Doug Brunt
Like, the white stack five story.
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Andrew Sullivan
Come on, macaroni and cheese.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, bro. Okay. So he was. He was basically on public assistance. So here's the truth.
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Some of this we knew, but some of this is new to me. So. His late father, William, former associate justice on the California Court of Appeals, served as an attorney for the Gettys billion dollar fortune. William Newsom was so involved with the Gettys, he helped personally deliver the ransom payment in response to the kidnapping of John Paul Getty iii. That's pretty tight. I love and know you guys pretty darn well. I don't think I'd be the one who'd give the ransom payment if, God forbid, somebody got you. I'd be willing, but I don't. I don't. Probably wouldn't be the first choice. Gavin's parents divorced when he was three. But William and Gavin did get big money from their Getty ties. From a 2003 San Francisco weekly article, the Newsoms also each have owned stock in Getty Images, which is a $1.6 billion conglomerate that owns a number of 70 million photographs and illustrations. And also in 2001, William the dad brought Gavin the son into a Hawaii beachfront real estate investment in which his initial $125,000 stake soared to more than 1 million in just six months. And then, listen to this. Two additional facts. San Francisco Chronicle, 2003 in 10. Count em 10 of Gavin Newsom's first 11 businesses. The, the primary money came from the Getty family. Is that where you guys got your money to start Real clear politics? I don't think so. And last point, the Sacramento Bee. Gordon and Ann Getty paid about $233,000 toward Gavin Newsom's first wedding reception. His 30th birthday party given by the Gettys was Great Gatsby themed down to the flappers and Charleston' Carl Cannon. The prosecution rests.
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Carl Cannon
Well here comes the defense.
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So Bill Newson was a judge. Gordon Getty was a very close personal friend and Gavin, and Gavin didn't live with his dad. He and his sister lived in Marin across the Golden Gate Bridge. Gavin was a jot. He wasn't a great student. Played basketball and, and baseball and he grew up middle class and. But when he, when he graduated from college he went to Santa Clara and he went out in the world. He started a restaurant I think was the Balboa name of it. And he was, he wasn't want to be in the restaurant business. He got into politics because all the.
- [43:41]
Megyn Kelly
Red was that one of the 11 businesses that were funded by the Goodies.
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Carl Cannon
It's the first one and it was a nice cafe. It was modest cafe but my. He wasn't. You know that's that old Steve Martin line. That's Tom likes I was born a poor black child. That wasn't Gavin. But they were middle class family. Bill owned a. Had a place up in Dutch flat which is in the motherlode country and he didn't even own it. He rented it. I knew them, I knew them at that time.
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Megyn Kelly
And why is he in the magazine under Children of the rich? Did somebody make him pose in that and call himself rich and pose with the Gettys with his greased up hair. He, he loved that image and he did have access. Could this Let's. I don't know this for sure about you guys but I just know just from knowing you. I don't know but I know you weren't raised with silver spoons. I know you weren't. Bullshit.
- [44:27]
Carl Cannon
I wasn't.
- [44:27]
Megyn Kelly
Fuck that. Nobody gave you $233,000 for your wedding, for your wedding reception. $233,000 and you funded your first 11 businesses. That's bullshit. It's stolen valor. It is for those of us who are self made. It's stolen valor. Those of us who actually did have to eat Mac and cheese and boxed wine and all the bullshit for years never knowing whether we'd be able to afford the clothes that we're sitting in today. Fuck him. He had so many hands up. I respect him. If he came out and said I was very, very lucky. My family connections, we weren't rich, but we had this great connection to the Gettys, and they really helped me. And that's what makes me different from most people who had to claw their ways up. And that's why I want to help those people. That's. That's not his story. He's dishonest, so I'm going to put.
- [45:14]
Carl Cannon
You down as undecided.
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Megyn Kelly
Andy, settle the argument, please.
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Tom Bevan
Well, I'll put it this way. I think that.
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He has an authenticity problem and he's trying to solve it by becoming. By being even more inauthentic. And I think that's the problem here, is that I agree with you that if he just came out and sort of was honest about the mistakes he's made in life and the things that went well and things that didn't go well, people might be interested in that. He seems incapable of that. And I think his slickness is both his superpower and his Achilles heel, because I think people see through it.
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But nonetheless, he is at the top of most of the polls that we're looking at right now. He's coming off this great big win on the redistricting in California. He set himself up as the anti Trump. The rest of the field is kind of fumbling while he seems to be moving forward. So he's a formidable politician, no matter how you look at it. And he's got to run it on his record in California. I think that's what people really care about. Not. Not his, which is not great, by the way.
- [46:31]
Megyn Kelly
Which is also not great. But he's pulling a Jasmine Crockett right now because she launched her US Senate campaign by just like defines herself around Trump. It's all Trump's criticisms of her. Right. And look what he just put out today. Gavin Newsom. Not on the heels of that redistricting win, which you can't take away from him. He did have. This is what he just dropped. Zero watch. It's an AI video he made. It's Trump Hegseth and Stephen Miller. Is that who it is over there? Yeah. In handcuffs in the back of a police car. It looks like crying, putting their faces in their hands now their hands are behind their back. The handcuffs are behind their back. And they're walking like a perp. Walk in their suits like they're criminals. Andy, you're making faces I've never seen you make before.
- [47:17]
Tom Bevan
That's the first I've seen that video that's new to me. I hate this use of AI in these ads. I think it's terrible that they do it. I'm not sure what the message of that. Well, I can guess what the message is, but why today? And, and yeah, that's. I, I think that's bad.
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Andrew Sullivan
I think they're responding to a White House post that, that said something about it's cuffing season or cuffing season or something like that. And so. But look, he has been very active on his team on social media, and in a way that, that quite frankly, a lot of people, myself included, thought was really kind of cringy and hokey. But nevertheless, if you operate under the theory that any publicity is good publicity, he has been able to keep himself in the news and at the top of the heap of the Democratic Party, even while, you know, Kamala's been doing her book tour and trying to get her reset and get, get back in the game. And you've got J.B. pritzker, my governor here in Illinois, who's been battling Trump in Chicago and all that. And so Gavin Newsom has managed to stay relevant. The question is, you know, we're, we're. So it's so early now. Like, is there. Can people be overexposed? Can Gavin Newsom. Can we get too much of them too soon? Where people are just like, I can't handle any more Gavin Newsom.
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Megyn Kelly
I'm there.
- [48:39]
Andrew Sullivan
He's got this little, the way he uses his hands when he talks. I mean, it's weird. It's a little weird. Yeah.
- [48:47]
Carl Cannon
Do you guys remember it was only a year ago, two years ago, he, Ron DeSantis was his foil in the Republican Party and he picked fights with DeSantis everywhere he went.
- [48:57]
Andrew Sullivan
He debated on Hannity to the debate.
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Carl Cannon
That's right. He showed up in Simi Valley at the Reagan library for the first debate. Trump.
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The deciding quite properly, as it turns out, that he wasn't even going to dignify these people. The debates. Trump treated himself as the nominee in waiting, and that turned out to be right. But we didn't know that at the time. And Newsom came down, he's the governor, so what are you doing here? He's told people, well, I'm the governor of the state and it's a beautiful library and I just want to welcome all the press and the Republicans to, you know, the Reagan Library. And of course, then he had the.
- [49:28]
Andrew Sullivan
Real reason he was there.
- [49:29]
Carl Cannon
Is to set a trap for Ron DeSantis who he thought was going to be the nominee. And he was, he was gonna be the rival. And they debated and you guys said so Sean. But the Sean, the thing about Sean Hannity that was so interesting to me, Hannity moderated the debate and Hannity agrees on issues with everything Ron DeSantis said and nothing Gavin Newsom says. And yet Hannity clearly like Gavin Newsom more than he liked Ron DeSantis. And that was the first clue to me that this guy had the kind of charisma maybe that would translate to a presidential run. It was Sean Hannity who gave me that idea.
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Megyn Kelly
It's now called Riz. I just want you to know that the kids have gotten. Kids have gotten rid of the first and the last part of that word. I don't know why they do what they do. Stand by you guys because there's a couple more things I want to discuss with you. We'll do it on the opposite side of this break. Don't go away. RCP is still here. And then later, Doug Brunt. Let's talk about real health armor, especially if you're done with the dye filled toxin heavy stuff lining store shelves. Beekeepers Naturals can be your clean, no compromise line of defense. Start your day with their Propolis throat spray, a concentrated hit of antioxidants that keeps your immune system fortified. They say one spritz and you're protected. No synthetic fog, just pure bee powdered protection. Are you experiencing a scratchy throat from winter air or crowded plains? Cool. Grab the Propolis Throat Soother. Pair it with their Propolis nasal spray to rinse, hydrate and eliminate germs on contact. Today, Beekeepers Naturals is giving you an exclusive offer. Go to beekeepersnaturals.com Megan or enter the code Megan to get 20% off your order. That's beekeepersnaturals.com megan or just enter the code Megan beekeepersnaturals.com, megan or enter the code Megan when you check out Beekeeper's Naturals products are also available at Target, Whole Foods, Walmart, Amazon, CVS and Walgreens.
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Let's be completely honest.
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Andrew Sullivan
Are you happy with your job?
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Megyn Kelly
The fact is a huge number of people can't say yes to that.
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Tom Bevan
Too many of us are stuck in.
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Megyn Kelly
A job we've outgrown or one we never wanted.
- [51:33]
Tom Bevan
But we stick it out and we give reasons like what if the next move is worse?
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Megyn Kelly
I put years into this place and maybe the most common one isn't. Everyone Miserable at work.
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Tom Bevan
But there's a difference between reasons for.
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Megyn Kelly
Staying and excuses for not leaving.
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Tom Bevan
It's time to get unstuck.
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Megyn Kelly
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Back with me now, the guys from Real Clear Politics, which you can get as a podcast on YouTube or listen live every day at 11am Eastern on the Megyn Kelly channel. That's channel 111 on Sirius XM. Okay, guys, so you may not know this, but on December 12th at the National Press Club in Washington, D.C. they will present the Walter Cronkite Awards for Excellence in Political Journalism. And not only are none of us Times person of the Year, but none of us are getting a Walter Cronkite Award for Excellence in Political Journalism. And this too is bullshit. It's bullshit. Why isn't Susan Crabtree getting one of these awards for all the breaking stuff she did around but. And since then on the Secret Service and so many Inside Washington stories, or just RCP in general, which has a great stable of reporters. Why aren't you getting it instead of. I'm not kidding, Rachel Maddow.
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Rachel Maddow?
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Carl Cannon
For what category?
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Megyn Kelly
She works for a theorist on camera. But truly, like, you can, like, there's no bigger conspiracy theorist than Rachel Maddow. I mean, that's all she's peddled in for the past 10 years and she never owned it. She was on one of the late night shows just last week. Like, I think that Russia coverage I did has been proven pretty true right now since they're literally taking Kremlin talking points to strike the Ukraine deal. No, no, it hasn't proven true at all. You're a liar. Nothing you said was true and you never owned it. She's getting recognition for political to her excellence in political journalism. Carl from it's the award will be handed out by the USA Annenberg School for Communications and Journalism, which is a part of the USC in Los Angeles. She's gonna get one. And the reason they say these people are getting one is quote, the message is that these winners, by honoring these winners, is that the press is not the enemy of the people. It's the firewall between the public and. And disinformation, abuse of power and corruption. Rachel Maddow and Jon Stewart. Jon Stewart, who's getting the inaugural award in comedic news and commentary. Jon Stewart. Greg Gutfeld has 10 times Jon Stewart's ratings and relevance. He is the only thing relevant when it comes to comedic programming. And Jon Stewart has. He does not do objective programming on anything and he doesn't do comedy either. All he does is bashing of right wing people. I'll give you one example. Here he is.
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I think you are not living in the planet.
- [55:13]
Tom Bevan
Most Americans are.
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Andrew Sullivan
Which is why this kind of extremism, this anti white extremism.
- [55:19]
Tom Bevan
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Is losing popular support. This is what happens when white people don't talk about it is you have racist dog whistle tropes like this. I did not come on this show to sit here and argue with another white man. That's one of the reasons that we don't even engage with white men at race to dinner.
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Tom Bevan
I'm out.
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Megyn Kelly
You know, because quite honestly, if white men were going to do something about racism, you had 400 years. Years you could have done.
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Stuart's laughing.
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Tom Bevan
I would finger snap right now.
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Carl Cannon
Let's remove it.
- [55:55]
Tom Bevan
Calling me a racist.
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Carl Cannon
Tom.
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Megyn Kelly
Let, let's. You're.
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Doug Brunt
You've been doing a pretty good job with it yourself there.
- [56:01]
Megyn Kelly
So.
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That'S Andrew Sullivan. I mean truly like deeply respected, deeply thoughtful, you know, center right but not far right openly gay man. Like F him for the way he and his guests treated Andrew. And that's what you could get you an award now from the Cronkite center guys from the Walter Cronkite Award for excellence in political. This is disgusting thoughts.
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Carl Cannon
I have one.
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To the. I, I don't. I didn't know her name but the woman said if white men want to do anything about racism.
- [56:35]
Megyn Kelly
Lady Carl, who you can pay $5,000 to to show up at your next Real Clear Politics holiday party and call you all racists. That's what she explains.
- [56:47]
Carl Cannon
We'll probably, we'll take a pass on that. But I would if she, if she, if she crashes the party, I'll tell her that. That this country had a civil war and that white men from every northern state marched into battle singing the John Brown hymn. And you know, 2,300,000 of them died fighting in Mr. Lincoln's army to free the slaves. And you know that that strikes me as maybe a little more of a sacrifice than going on Jon Stewart's show and pretending to care.
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Megyn Kelly
This just in. Carl Cannon is out of the running for next year's Walter Cronket Awards. Excellence in political journalism. This is that kind of commentary. Is not what gets you over the line, my friend. But to me, it's disgusting. They're bastardizing the name of Walter Cronkite. They've been doing it for a long time, but there was a time when those Cronkite awards meant something. And now, like the third person who's getting one, there's actually a couple more, but Scott Pelley. Scott Pelley. Guys, this, that's absurd. Scott Pelley's most memorable moment over the past couple of years has been his attempted cross examination of the Moms for Liberty founders where he tried to tell them that they're not peddling smut to children in the K through 8 schools in the form of books that the kids are required to read and that the parents can't opt out of. You know how wrong he was. The US Supreme Court just so found that it's happening and threw out the program that wouldn't allow Maryland parents to pull their children out of those classes. That's how wrong he was. The US Supreme Court said so. But he gets awarded this, like the Walter Cronkite Award for excellence in political journalism. Tom.
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Andrew Sullivan
Well, I mean, these things have become just a, a caricature and a parody of themselves. Right? And you know, I heard your clip. You were talking about the Golden Globes and how when you worked at Fox, like Roger Ailes, like wouldn't even let you guys apply for any award because they were all never right. They were all from leftist Ford leftists. And that's exactly what this is. There was a prize earlier this year, the Dow Prize has been, this was the second year of the Dow Prize, which is basically awards not just conservative journalism, but sort of middle of the road. What people, what used to be sort of objective journalism and also local journalism that was done in across the country. And you mentioned Susan Crabtree. She won it not last, not this past year, but the year before that, the inaugural Dow prize for her work on the Secret Service. And this year the Federalists, the whole team won it for their coverage of the sort of Russian.
- [59:25]
Megyn Kelly
Well deserved, too.
- [59:26]
Andrew Sullivan
Yeah, so, so unfortunately, like the, the, the, I was going to say the right. And to certain extent it is the right, but it's not like the hard right. It's more like the center right had to sort of stand up their own infrastructure to provide to see their work recognized because it, it was never getting recognized by the usual suspects. They've been doing this, patting each other on the back, giving each other Pulitzers for the Russia coverage and like, you know, the COVID coverage and all this stuff. I mean, it's, it's really, it's become a joke. And I think most people recognize it as such, except for the Rachel Maddows and Jon Stewart's of the World, who were like, oh, this is such a prestigious honor. I can't, you know, you know, threw.
- [60:06]
Megyn Kelly
Up in my mouth how lucky I am.
- [60:07]
Andrew Sullivan
I know, exactly. And it's like, give me a break.
- [60:09]
Carl Cannon
Most people are.
- [60:10]
Megyn Kelly
The Scott Pelley award is based on, on his May 2025 reporting on the law firms versus Trump story. That was a big story when Trump was saying the federal government is not gonna do business with certain law firms, like the ones who are hiring my chief antagonists and the ones who have spent the past five years suing me. And so no question, fair game to cover that story. But how would you do it if you had, say, Mark Elias as your star witness on 60 Minutes and your Scott Pelley. Mark Elias, okay, The guy who was the chief architect, one of them, of the Democrats Russian collusion hoax, who was out there on behalf of Hillary Clinton campaign, pushing the lies about Trump and Alpha bank and the servers in the basement, all of which were lies, and they knew they were lies and they were using them to bring down Trump. We know all of this from the classified materials that have been released over the past six months. And you have Mark Elias sitting there, and you're Scott Pelley. You might raise it. You might at least raise it when you talk about why Trump hates his firm and why he's getting so unfairly targeted by the evil Trump. That didn't happen. Here's a little from that segment for which Scott Pelley's now being honored.
- [61:21]
Carl Cannon
It was nearly impossible to get anyone.
- [61:23]
Megyn Kelly
On camera for this story because of.
- [61:26]
Doug Brunt
The fear now running through our system of justice.
- [61:30]
Megyn Kelly
Many firms and attorneys have been targeted. Among them, Mark Elias, a longtime opponent.
- [61:37]
Tom Bevan
Of Trump, who is the only lawyer.
- [61:39]
Megyn Kelly
The president has named who was willing.
- [61:41]
Tom Bevan
To appear on 60 Minutes.
- [61:44]
Megyn Kelly
Elias and others are warning that Trump's.
- [61:47]
Tom Bevan
Assault on the legal profession threatens the.
- [61:50]
Megyn Kelly
Rule of law itself. Elias says that for him, it began with the president's personal grudge.
- [61:59]
Carl Cannon
Donald Trump hates me because I fight.
- [62:01]
Megyn Kelly
Hard and I fight for free and fair elections.
- [62:03]
Carl Cannon
I insist on fighting for democracy in.
- [62:06]
Doug Brunt
Court, fighting for voting rights in court.
- [62:08]
Carl Cannon
And insist on telling the truth about what the outcome of the 2020 election was.
- [62:12]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God.
- [62:15]
Andy.
- [62:17]
Andrew Sullivan
We'll see.
- [62:18]
Tom Bevan
I'd like to know a year from now, after Barry Weiss has had some impact at CBS, how many awards 60 Minutes will win like this. That will be.
- [62:27]
Megyn Kelly
Hopefully, everyone's fired.
- [62:28]
Tom Bevan
My other thing is, you know, I. Rachel Maddow, I congratulate her, but there probably will be more people in that room watching her get the award than there are people watching her on Ms. Now. So, yeah, there's some. Some compensation there for her.
- [62:43]
Megyn Kelly
I think this is just a disgrace. I'm sorry. I don't think anybody cares about the awards, but, like.
- [62:49]
Andrew Sullivan
God, I'm sorry. I was just gonna say people don't know what a. What a sort of. Or maybe they. They should be told what a sort of nefarious character Mark Elias is, too. And to let him sort of have sort of free rein to spin his yarn about how. How he's a real defender of democracy. I mean, this guy's. This guy is one of the most odious characters.
- [63:12]
Doug Brunt
Wait a minute.
- [63:12]
Carl Cannon
Wait, wait. Let's not use words like nefarious. Notius. He's a.
- [63:15]
Megyn Kelly
Of.
- [63:16]
Carl Cannon
He's a Democratic Party. He's a.
- [63:18]
Megyn Kelly
He's. All.
- [63:22]
Doug Brunt
Right.
- [63:22]
Carl Cannon
That's my girl.
- [63:26]
Andrew Sullivan
Can you see what I have to deal with every single day?
- [63:29]
Megyn Kelly
Good gracious. This must be very hard.
- [63:33]
Carl Cannon
But those are subjective feelings that you have. But the objective truth is that this guy is a paid operative for the Democratic National Committee, and he's made millions of dollars attacking Republicans not voting for voting rights, but for voting for voting procedures that help Democrats. And we don't have to demonize him to point out that it's bad journalism to present him as a neutral arbiter. He's a player.
- [63:57]
Megyn Kelly
Why would Trump want to do that with his law firm? Why? No, it's true. And so. But unfortunately, instead of being, like, excluded from any sort of an award for that ridiculous sin of journalistic coverage, Scott Pelley now gets honored for the very report itself. And this will be him at the awards with his glasses down at the end of his nose. I was right all along. I'm better than you. And we all know that because I host 60 Minutes. And if Barry is the woman I think and believe her to be, she will fire his ass before we are halfway through 2026. That's my prediction. He's fucking out of there. Look forward to that news. And I gotta go. I'm outta here, too, because Doug Brunt's in the wings and he's got an eggnog for me, unlike you fine gentlemen. So I gotta go.
- [64:48]
Doug Brunt
All right.
- [64:50]
Megyn Kelly
Love you guys. Thanks for coming on.
- [64:52]
Tom Bevan
Take care.
- [64:52]
Andrew Sullivan
Thank you.
- [64:53]
Megyn Kelly
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I'm joined now by a very special guest, a New York Times best selling author, host of the excellent podcast Dedicated with Doug Brunt and the author of the upcoming book the Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel. Romanov's revolutionaries and the forgotten titan who fueled the world. Doug happens to be my husband as well. So that worked out well. Hi, honey.
- [66:40]
Carl Cannon
Hi.
- [66:40]
Doug Brunt
It's great to be here.
- [66:41]
Megyn Kelly
Congrats. So here is the galley copy of the new book which is just so cool looking. It's beautiful. The Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel. And it looks kind of similar, similar style to your last big New York Times bestseller, the Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel. Lost Empire Emmanuel Nobel will not be available until May, but they can pre order it today. Have it in time for Father's day.
- [67:06]
Doug Brunt
Yeah.
- [67:07]
Megyn Kelly
And tell us what the Lost Empire of Emanuel Nobel is about.
- [67:10]
Doug Brunt
Well, it's by getting the galleys is such a nice moment. We open the box, you know, as a family around the dining room table and you pull them out and you see it and you hold it in your hands after years of working on it. It is a companion book to the Diesel book. Emanuel Nobel has an appearance in the Rudolph Diesel story.
- [67:24]
Megyn Kelly
But you don't have to have read Diesel in order to read this book.
- [67:27]
Doug Brunt
It can be out of sequence and in fact I haven't said this. Really. The only people who know this next piece are you and my editor and a few people in archives around the world. But I'm working on a third which will be will complete a trilogy of these three turn of the century characters. Emmanuel Nobel essentially established the Russian oil industry along the Caspian Sea in southern Russia. So by 1900, he and his family had built an oil business larger than Standard Oil. And in World War I, he controlled more oil than anyone else on the planet. So it was this huge prize sitting in southern Russia that Germany, the Brits, the Bolsheviks, the Communists, Japan, everybody wanted to get to the Nobel oil because they had essentially developed a whole oil infrastructure that was superior to anything else in the world.
- [68:12]
Megyn Kelly
Superior to Rockefeller, that's crazy.
- [68:13]
Doug Brunt
To Rockefeller. And yet, for reasons explained in the book, Nobel has been obliterated from history totally. So this brings him back to life and tells the story.
- [68:22]
Megyn Kelly
The only Nobel anybody knows is Alfred Nobel, who started the Nobel Prizes. This is Emmanuel Nobel. His nephew built a totally different, bigger fortune that has been totally forgotten, wiped out. His name is not really known at all in connection with the awards. That's all. The uncle Alfred, him who did dynamite, that was his business. And it's, it's. Do you reveal why? But I mean, like a little.
- [68:46]
Doug Brunt
I mean, it has of course, the, the. When the Communists took over Stalin and Lenin, they nationalized all these businesses. But everyone, even in that time, even when the Bolsheviks had taken over, everyone thought the Communists are going to last about three days. And so there's an interesting negotiation between Standard Oil and Rockefeller and Nobel about all these Russian assets of petroleum, what to do with them, because nobody believes Lenin's going to last. And with regard to the prize though, so Alfred Nobel and the prizes, he was an investor in the oil business of his brothers and nephew. But the prize wouldn't exist if it wasn't for Emanuel either. And there are two funny stories about that. When Emmanuel's father Ludwig dies. Alfred and Ludwig are huge celebrities around the world. And the newspapers in France, where Alfred lives, mistakes. Who's died, they thought Alfred died. So they print this obituary for Alfred Nobel, calling him as the inventor of dynamite, this merchant of death, and caused more, you know, killing than anyone in history. And so he reads his own obituary and thinks, holy crap, you know, I need to. This can't be how I'm remembered. And so he changes his will to establish the prize and gives, you know, tons of his money away. And of course, all his, you know, after he dies, all the other Nobel people are like, you must be joking. Like the Fortune's going to this crazy prize, including the King of Sweden, who pulls out Emmanuel aside. And Emmanuel's in charge of the estate, basically for his Uncle Alfred and the prize. And everyone in the family's fighting it. The King of Sweden is like, you don't want to pay attention to these crazy pacifists. This is nonsense. You know, you should take care of your family and put all the money toward that. So Emmanuel stands up to the King of Sweden, says, no, no, no, we're going to, you know, I'm taking my role as the executor of his well seriously. We're going to have the prize. And so he, at the last second, rescues the prize.
- [70:24]
Megyn Kelly
Had it not been for Emmanuel Houston. But the funny thing is, it's like you think about, you know, Russia and, you know, they've got one huge asset. Well, two. One is oil, and two is their ability to mess with you online. Right? Like, those are two big assets that they have. Those are their two primary weapons. There's also the matter of nuclear weapons. But in any event, this is their main source of income, is their petroleum industry. And it wasn't theirs and they didn't invent it. And actually, nobody was doing it at all in Russia until Emmanuel Nobel came along and it was like, hey, look at all this stuff. This actually looks quite interesting.
- [70:57]
Doug Brunt
When they first bought land in Caucuses near. In present day Azerbaijan, along the Caspian Sea, people were skimming oil out of puddles. There was no drilling. You know, any. Any wells that were dug were dug by hand with spades. So they come down there with great. They are chemists and engineers by trade. And so they come down there and they completely turn it around. But this was in the 1870s, in the time of the czars. So the book has these amazing detours through history that include the Rothschilds and Rockefellers and Dostoyevsky and Tom Stalin.
- [71:27]
Megyn Kelly
I learned so much about Joseph Stalin that I did not know. And you personalize his backstory in a way that I didn't know. Like, how did he grow up to be this murderous, crazy dude? And now I know. I mean, you actually have a lot of backstory on Stalin. And you see the rise of these two men, very, very different in character, but in strength. They were equals for a long, long time. Emmanuel Nobel and Joseph Stalin. So you. You learn a ton about world history, about Russia. Everything that Russia is today is explained in this book. Like, but you don't feel like you're learning. You feel like you're just getting a. Like a Caper.
- [71:59]
Doug Brunt
Well, yeah, it's written ideally in a very novelistic way. It's a ripping read. I mean, you go through it, but it has these fun detours, but it is a piece of history. And Stalin, as you say, grew up as a neighbor to Nobel in southern Russia. He grew up in Georgia, which is between the Black Sea and the Caspian Sea. And he actually worked in the oil fields of the Nobels and the Rothschilds, who are another big figure in Russian oil. And so Emmanuel Nobel and Joseph Stalin, they're sort of like these counterpoints to each other. And Stalin is looking at these oil capitalists, industrialists with envy and hatred. And ultimately the whole book brings this collision you know is coming.
- [72:34]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, he was looking at Nobel's oil the same way Zoram Mamdani is looking at the billionaires in New York. All right, now, so don't forget, it's called the Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel by Douglas Brunt. You can get your pre order right now. That would help Doug out and yours truly, because I'd love to see the.
- [72:50]
Doug Brunt
And avoid the mayhem of pub day. Like Diesel sold out. People couldn't get it for like two months because, you know, Simon and Schuster had to go back and print more copies. If you pre order it now, it shows up on your doorstep or your bookstore has it. It's all easy.
- [73:01]
Megyn Kelly
You don't have to wait. And that's happening right now with Charlie's book where they've already sold out.
- [73:04]
Doug Brunt
You're going to have to wait months for his book.
- [73:06]
Megyn Kelly
They always underestimate anybody who's conservative or married to a conservative.
- [73:11]
Doug Brunt
Conservative, Jason.
- [73:11]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, they do, because they just assume there's no audience for that because that's not the world in which these book publishers live. So it's called the Lost Empire. Empire of Emmanuel Nobel. Get your copy now. Now, more importantly, what do we have here with us?
- [73:22]
Doug Brunt
Yes, My God.
- [73:23]
Megyn Kelly
And explain what happens on Dedicated.
- [73:25]
Doug Brunt
All right, first we've got. We have our Jack Carr tumblers with the. I don't know if it can show up here with the. With the ice, but it's got the tomahawk Navy Seal thing. So shout out to Jack Carr. Merry Jack Christmas. Thank you for the glasses. We're going to have a little traditional eggnog with bourbon.
- [73:38]
Megyn Kelly
It's organic, it's healthy locale.
- [73:41]
Doug Brunt
Organic.
- [73:41]
Megyn Kelly
It's like having an egg.
- [73:42]
Doug Brunt
We learned that lesson a few years ago.
- [73:44]
Megyn Kelly
Yes, exactly.
- [73:46]
Doug Brunt
We'll do it with rye. Michter's rye.
- [73:48]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah. What do you what officially goes in a In an eggnog.
- [73:52]
Doug Brunt
Some people do bourbon, some do rum, some do both.
- [73:54]
Megyn Kelly
And what are we doing?
- [73:56]
Doug Brunt
Well, rye, which is basically bourbon.
- [73:58]
Megyn Kelly
Okay. The reason that we're doing this is A, it's eggnog and why not? It's that time of year. But B, on Doug's podcast, which is called Dedicated with Doug Brunt, where he interviews authors. He both interviews authors and talks about their books. And he always pours a cocktail of choice. Could be. Could be virgin, could be alcoholic. This one happens to be alcoholic.
- [74:17]
Carl Cannon
It's almost.
- [74:18]
Doug Brunt
Almost always alcoholic. Thank God. And everyone drinks the drink. Michael Lewis was on the other day and he's like, do people actually drink the drink? He had a Sazerac, by the way, which is like the New Orleans cocktail.
- [74:27]
Megyn Kelly
Sazerac.
- [74:28]
Doug Brunt
Yeah. It's basically similar to an old Fashioned.
- [74:30]
Megyn Kelly
Now he's doing the nutmeg.
- [74:32]
Doug Brunt
Nutmeg over the.
- [74:33]
Megyn Kelly
Didn't we do this last year? Didn't we do the eggnog last year?
- [74:36]
Doug Brunt
We did. I think I had to read your ad by the end. Or maybe that was a different show. Cheers, honey.
- [74:40]
Megyn Kelly
Merry Christmas. Love you.
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Oh, yeah, that's tasty.
- [74:47]
Doug Brunt
Our first eggnog of the season.
- [74:49]
Megyn Kelly
That's delicious. I know. Well done. Yeah. No, and we talked about how that one year we were drinking eggnogs like they were going out of style. When we were young, we didn't have kids, and we both blew up like ticks.
- [74:58]
Doug Brunt
We were huge looking in the mirror like something's changed in our diet.
- [75:03]
Megyn Kelly
Is it possible it's the eggnog?
- [75:05]
Doug Brunt
The full fat eggnog.
- [75:06]
Megyn Kelly
And then we looked at the nutrition, nutritional information on the box, which, by.
- [75:10]
Doug Brunt
The way, the fat isn't. Isn't a whole lot better.
- [75:12]
Megyn Kelly
What is it? What does it say?
- [75:13]
Doug Brunt
Well, 150 calories, you know, a lot of cholesterol in there.
- [75:18]
Carl Cannon
Yeah.
- [75:18]
Doug Brunt
A lot of sodium in there.
- [75:19]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, really? Sodium, Decent amount of sugar. Nothing is worse than. Than the Martha Stewart recipe. I mentioned this to you this morning over coffee. I just saw it on X. Steve, I'll send it to you. We had to drop it in for the listening audience. This thing was loaded with alcohol. First of all, it was like so many eggs and so much sugar and so much heavy cream. And then on top of that, it was like three cups of bourbon, three cups of rum, and three cups of another alcohol.
- [75:43]
Doug Brunt
Martha gets after you're phoning it in with this rye business that's putting me to shame.
- [75:47]
Megyn Kelly
I don't know what you were thinking. You know, usually men are trying to get women intoxicated.
- [75:51]
Doug Brunt
Well, we're on set. You can't. Like, we can definitely add more booze, but getting involved in eggs and cream stuff, we're not gonna do that here.
- [75:57]
Megyn Kelly
No, you don't want egg cream of any kind. And she stuffed the yolks in there, too. It was pretty nasty. So we're getting ready for our holidays. What have you been doing to get rid of that?
- [76:07]
Doug Brunt
I said a few present suggestions, which is more than I normally do.
- [76:11]
Megyn Kelly
I'm only laughing because every woman knows.
- [76:13]
Doug Brunt
That'S a joke.
- [76:15]
And every guy gets defensive.
- [76:19]
Megyn Kelly
No, we kind of have our shared responsibilities, I would say, but generally the Christmas shopping is on my list because I wanted to be.
- [76:25]
Doug Brunt
Yeah, well, you're so good at it. It's amazing. It's like a. You know, Santa Claus threw up under the tree. There's like a million presents everywhere.
- [76:32]
Megyn Kelly
He helps me, and that's why I have an ace in the hole. I have a secret weapon.
- [76:36]
Doug Brunt
You have a little elf up in the north.
- [76:37]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah. So I don't really need Doug Brun's help because I've got Santa.
- [76:41]
Doug Brunt
Although I do help a little.
- [76:42]
Megyn Kelly
You do help. But we were talking a little bit about our Christmas traditions. I was doing this for Steven Crowder, and there's so many that we do. Like, we go to Montana every year and there's a bunch of stuff we do over there. But what would you say, like, if asked what. What's our top. Or what's our. A couple of top Christmas traditions that we have?
- [76:58]
Doug Brunt
I mean. Well, we. We're still, you know, earmuffs on the kids. We're still firing away with the elf every morning.
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And the Advent.
- [77:06]
Megyn Kelly
They know.
- [77:07]
Doug Brunt
And we try to carol as much as possible, but that's not every year. We do have a great, like almost 20 years tradition of getting lunch with a particular group of friends in the city. It used to be at the 21 Club. Hello. That's gotta open back up. 21 Club.
- [77:21]
Megyn Kelly
Yep.
- [77:23]
Doug Brunt
But we. We have found new venues for that.
- [77:25]
Megyn Kelly
Wait a minute. What was the second thing you said?
- [77:28]
Doug Brunt
The Advent calendar.
- [77:29]
Megyn Kelly
Yearling of the caroling. Do we really.
- [77:31]
Doug Brunt
That's not really. Trish. I said, that's not an.
- [77:32]
Megyn Kelly
Should we reveal what happened last year when we caroled?
- [77:36]
Doug Brunt
Yes. It's embarrassing, but it's a funny story.
- [77:38]
Megyn Kelly
It's a disaster.
- [77:39]
Doug Brunt
Yeah.
- [77:40]
Megyn Kelly
No one wanted us.
- [77:41]
Doug Brunt
Well, our first stop was actually pretty good. They were amazed. They're like, this is so great. And we kind of knew them and they thought, this is great. And the Other dad was like, I'm coming with you. And he turns around, it's like, let's go. And they're all like, screw you, dad. He's like, next year, maybe I can join you.
- [77:55]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
- [77:56]
Doug Brunt
But he was totally supportive.
- [77:56]
Megyn Kelly
It was just the five of us.
- [77:58]
Doug Brunt
Yeah. Just the five of our family. And so then we go to the next house. From that point forward, it went down like nobody really wanted. They're like, it's cold outside. Why I'd have to stand by this open door.
- [78:06]
Megyn Kelly
There was one moment where we were waiting across the street. We had our Santa hats on. We were freezing. And this SUV drove by with the window down and just kind of waved at us. And we were like, jiggle bell, jiggle bell, jingle bell.
- [78:18]
Doug Brunt
Like, shaking the bell out.
- [78:20]
Megyn Kelly
Who's like an ass salt of Christmas carols.
- [78:23]
Doug Brunt
It's hard to get an audience.
- [78:24]
Megyn Kelly
Everyone was kind of like trying to squeeze the door closed. Kind of like, I've got some people inside. Yeah. It wasn't. Wasn't the greatest outing. It's probably not going to be a tradition, but I think I'm thinking of things like when we watch It's a Wonderful Life.
- [78:36]
Doug Brunt
Oh, yeah. Yeah. So actually you drive. In addition to getting the presence, you do drive a lot of these things. We do. It's a wonderful.
- [78:42]
Megyn Kelly
But everyone's a gamer with the salt.
- [78:43]
Doug Brunt
And the bread and the whole bit. And, you know, ringing the bell when Clarence makes an appearance on screen and.
- [78:49]
Megyn Kelly
Hissing when Paul, you and I like.
- [78:51]
Doug Brunt
The greatest tradition, bar none of you know, Christmas aside, you and I start every morning with a cup of coffee. We've got the coffee machine in the bedroom. It's set the night before with the alarm. It goes off. And we start each day with 20 minutes together talking, having coffee, sometimes listening to AM update, other times watching Christmas in Connecticut for a few minutes to start the day. It's just an awesome way to enter the day and enter the world, you know, having connected a little bit.
- [79:14]
Megyn Kelly
It's so true. Right now we have a little tree in our bedroom. We've got some Christmas lights. That makes it magical, too, you know, like, turn that on. The only thing Doug and I argue about in the bedroom is the temperature.
- [79:27]
Doug Brunt
Yes.
- [79:27]
Megyn Kelly
Right?
- [79:28]
Doug Brunt
Yeah.
- [79:28]
Megyn Kelly
So now we both like it. Cool. When we sleep. That makes sense. Everybody should have it. They say 68 degrees. It's good for your health, it's good for your sleep. But Doug would like the thermometer to be turned down much earlier in the evening so that it's like cold when we arrive.
- [79:44]
Doug Brunt
Yes. That makes me irritable. We climb in bed. I'm like, it's so effing hot in here.
- [79:48]
Megyn Kelly
And I'm like freezing. Because you can't function in there when it's. It's 68 degrees. Like when you're doing your nighttime routine, you're washing your face, you're in your nightgown, you're freezing your ass off.
- [79:58]
Doug Brunt
If it's 68 degrees, you've got a heated floor, though. You should just sort of like get low.
- [80:02]
Megyn Kelly
That is a luxury. By the way. When we bought the house, it had a heated floor. I've never had that. And it's, it's wonderful.
- [80:06]
Doug Brunt
It makes a nice difference.
- [80:07]
Megyn Kelly
Damn. Damn. As they say. So we're gonna go to Montana. It's not snowy there. Unfortunately.
- [80:13]
Doug Brunt
No early, early conditions.
- [80:15]
Megyn Kelly
But, you know, is that a blessing?
- [80:16]
Doug Brunt
Making some. Yes. For me, like, I'm. I'm happy to do a couple groom blues and then go sit by the fire, play poker with the kids.
- [80:23]
Megyn Kelly
And yes.
- [80:24]
Doug Brunt
Like, never get out of pajamas. Like a couple days, like that would be great.
- [80:27]
Megyn Kelly
It. Doesn't that sound like heaven on earth? For two weeks it's going out there. We've got our annual costume night. I recommend this to everybody. You can go big. I mean, obviously I go big. Cause I love costumes. But you can do this on a shoestring budget too. You just go to the local costume store and you get a couple of costumes for your family. It does not have to be fancy, but it needs to be a theme. It needs to be theme related. And then the way we do it in our family is on costume night, I like controlling it. So I'll put out the costumes on people's beds. You'll keep the kids busy. They all know it's costume night.
- [80:59]
Doug Brunt
It's super fun. Cause nobody knows what the theme is. Meg plans this every single year. And then the theme's amazing. One year was Back to the Future. One year we had watched the Ten Commandments. So I, you know, I was Moses and someone was the various kings.
- [81:10]
Megyn Kelly
You were the best Moses. Oh, look, here's Back to the Future.
- [81:13]
Doug Brunt
Oh, nice.
- [81:14]
Megyn Kelly
Blurred the kids kids faces. You were the best McFly. You were George McFly the dad.
- [81:18]
Doug Brunt
Oh, yeah.
- [81:20]
Megyn Kelly
And you. Oh, you've got to do your imitation. Can you do your George McFly imitation?
- [81:28]
Doug Brunt
All right. Take your damn hands off her.
- [81:34]
I don't know if I nailed that.
- [81:35]
Megyn Kelly
You did exactly. And then we did Moses. We did ten Commandments. And you made an amazing Moses years earlier. This was good. I Mean, this. We went all out for the Moses. We got Pharaoh represented. We got Zephia.
- [81:49]
Doug Brunt
If there's no one in the family who does this amount of planning as you do, which is amazing because everyone fully appreciates. But even, like, a wig night is kind of fun if you're recommending to the audience. We have a closet full of wigs.
- [82:01]
Megyn Kelly
It's true.
- [82:02]
Doug Brunt
And it's fun just to, like.
- [82:03]
Megyn Kelly
I don't know, somehow things are more fun in wigs. Yeah, right. It's like you could just be eating your dinner. We don't actually do anything. Like, somebody's asking, what do you do on costume? Like, nothing. We just put them on, then laugh at each other. There's the Wonka. That was a great one. Here's the funny story about these two people in there as Violet Beauregard and Augustus Gloop. They've since become dear friends of ours, but that night, we didn't know them at all. The. So we were expecting two family members who then couldn't come. It was, like, right after Covid. That was either 2020 or 2021. It was right when things were still nutty because of COVID and their flights got canceled. And these two go to our school. And we had just met them, and we're like, so would you like to come for dinner? They're like, sure, we'd love to. I'm like, and could you wear some.
- [82:49]
Doug Brunt
That's not exactly how it goes. There's no, could you wear. It's like, here is she. Meg, like, lays down the law. When you cross that threshold, you're in her world. And she says, off you go, and here's your costume. And don't come back out until it's on.
- [83:01]
Megyn Kelly
It's kind of the price of admission.
- [83:03]
Doug Brunt
Yeah.
- [83:03]
Megyn Kelly
Anyway. And we realized too late that Augustus Gloop winds up looking a little like Hitler Youth. He's in, like, a little military outfit with the blonde wig.
- [83:12]
Doug Brunt
Yeah, it's very, like, Australian.
- [83:14]
Megyn Kelly
Our friends Lisa and Chris were such good sports. They. They donned the outfits, and it was such a fun.
- [83:19]
Doug Brunt
I think he sort of entered with a little trepidation, but, you know, mid dinner was loving it once we got the liquor flowing. Well, that helps with all costumes and wigs, but no.
- [83:27]
Megyn Kelly
So the other piece of costume night is just to order a background from Amazon. So if you go on Amazon and you type in 10 Commandments or you type in Back to the Future backdrop, you will pull up so many options for 40 bucks or under. Yeah, like, 40 bucks for the big one for eight by 10. But if you want to go smaller, it's much cheaper. Anyway, my point is Simply for under 150 bucks, you could probably get everybody in your family in a costume and with a backdrop, and that's really the end of it. So we'll try to sometimes do, like, the food that's themed appropriately. If, like, that night one year, we did Karate Kid, Cobra Kai.
- [84:04]
Doug Brunt
Yeah, that was great.
- [84:05]
Megyn Kelly
We had Asian that night. That's about as much as what, you know, it's not that, like, then you just sit there and you laugh.
- [84:10]
Doug Brunt
Specials. Yeah.
- [84:12]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, we did have John Kreese do one of those.
- [84:14]
Doug Brunt
And speaking of, like, cheap, that was like 30 bucks or something.
- [84:17]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah. One of those services where you can pay an actor to, like, say something personal.
- [84:20]
Doug Brunt
He's like, strike first. You know, getting on with our kids, who, by the way, that was the best 30 bucks we ever spent. The kids were totally into it, and.
- [84:26]
Megyn Kelly
He called us the Blunts, I think, instead of him.
- [84:28]
Doug Brunt
Wrong. For sure.
- [84:29]
Megyn Kelly
It was close. Whatever. You don't expect perfection from John Kreese.
- [84:32]
Doug Brunt
Yeah.
- [84:32]
Megyn Kelly
Anyway, I can't wait for all that stuff to start. It's like, that's what makes the two weeks magical. Like, the Christmas is the apex of it, but if you put these other things around, then it's not as much of a letdown when Christmas is over.
- [84:43]
Doug Brunt
Yeah.
- [84:44]
Megyn Kelly
You know, you sell.
- [84:44]
Doug Brunt
It's, you know, one of the few times of the year where there aren't obligations all over the kids, especially in us, and we get quite, you know, tons of time together. High quality, low quality, but it all adds up. It's great time together.
- [84:56]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah. The poker's become a fun tradition.
- [84:58]
Doug Brunt
Yeah.
- [84:58]
Megyn Kelly
You know, we're. The kids are getting more into Texas.
- [85:00]
Doug Brunt
We used to be able to beat them more easily. I know we'd have the big stack in front of us. Now it's.
- [85:04]
Megyn Kelly
Or at least cheat them without them knowing one or the other. But, yeah, no, that's been fun. We got to learn some new games. The kids are now into Texas hold', Em, which I. I actually. I don't totally know how to play Texas hold'. Em. You just hold three cards and you play off of.
- [85:16]
Doug Brunt
You hold two. And there's. Yeah, but it's really. It's like a betting thing. Once you learn how to bet, you're. You're good. It's basically everything's a poker hand, so.
- [85:23]
Megyn Kelly
We should try that. Yeah, let's do that. This time next year, we'll be sitting here talking about how well I did at Texas hold'.
- [85:28]
Carl Cannon
Em.
- [85:28]
Doug Brunt
Done.
- [85:29]
Megyn Kelly
Okay, so let's talk about the news a little bit. Cause it's always fun to get your take on it. And I thought. I saw this article yesterday, and I was like, this is a good one for Duggar. Here's a headline from the New York Post. Marco Rubio instructs diplomats to use Times New Roman font, eliminating Biden era DEI initiative. Did you know there's DEI font?
- [85:48]
Doug Brunt
I did not. By the way, I don't think the takeaway of the story should be that calibri is. Is woke. Exactly. But I totally get where Rubio is going on. This.
- [85:56]
Megyn Kelly
Calibri does look a little light in the loafers.
- [85:59]
Doug Brunt
It's a little different, for sure.
- [86:00]
Megyn Kelly
Times New Roman is, like, bald. Bald. Showing it on the screen for the listening. That's perfect. Calibri is, like, skinny with softer edges, and it just. It looks a little more feminine, I'd say.
- [86:15]
Doug Brunt
Well, look, I.
- [86:16]
Andrew Sullivan
Here's.
- [86:16]
Doug Brunt
Here's my overall take on this, because I. I understand what Rubio's doing. I'm sure when people heard about this, you can imagine the attacks like you're running state, and this is what you're going to spend your time on. But it does matter. And you know firsthand, when I am working on these books, Simon and Schuster, and I spend time on the font like, it's got to match the mission. And, you know, it's your. It's your first chance to set the tone, set the atmosphere for the audience that you're engaging the mood. It's the. It's the last little bit of, you know, connection point that you have. And it does matter. It's why writers, authors and publishers and editors actually focus on this. The font of different books looks very different depending on what kind of book it is. Like, if you open George R.R. martin's game of Thrones and you see Times New Roman, you're gonna be like, what is this? Like, the best versions of those books look like it was written by an elf. You know, like Bilbo Baggins. Something a little medieval and fanciful. And, you know, especially, like, the first letter of the chapter should look that way. And so it's Rubio's way of creating a mindset or creating an atmosphere for the information he's putting out there. And you see that dynamic everywhere. It's the same as Bill Bratton's Broken Windows policing. You know, you walk into a neighborhood that's full of broken windows and graffiti on the walls and trash on the streets. And that creates a mindset and an atmosphere for crime. And Bratton and others before him have proven that if you fix the windows, paint the walls, clean up all the trash and have this beautiful neighborhood, you prevent crime before it starts. And it's that same dynamic. It seems like a small thing, but setting that tone, setting the atmosphere matters.
- [87:46]
Megyn Kelly
Like strong, robust language, or.
- [87:49]
Doug Brunt
So I get why he's going. If he was gonna. The only change I would make is he shouldn't go back to Times New Roman. He should do, like, the Bilbo Baggins handwriting for all of our state communication. But actually, that reminds me of a story you were telling me the other day. That's the same thing of, like, the small tonal things we should value and prioritize them more, almost. We have to invert our thinking that these things are more important. It's like that Jordan Peterson piece that you were showing me.
- [88:13]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that's right. Yeah. That was so good. It was the Jordan Peterson sound bite on Instagram where he was saying, yeah, it's great to go to St. Barts or Aruba and have a margarita, you know, down on the beach. Everybody would love that. But your life, he said in this clip, is how your wife greets you at the end of the day. It's how you are around the dinner table with each other, how you're treating each other, you know, whether you're, quote, present, you know, but truly, it is like, do you feel valued when you walk into the room with your spouse or your kids or your family? Like that? That does make up your life with. So many more of our waking hours are spent around that table or that coffee mug than they are down in, you know, Aruba with a mocktail.
- [88:52]
Doug Brunt
And they're small and they're often overlooked. And it's not. We don't think it was a big deal. And yet we really do need to invert how we think about that, because that's the biggest deal. As Peterson points out, that's 80% of your life. Those little moments that add up. And so it's, you know, long way of saying, I think that's the same thing Rubio is getting at of, like, this is the font they're going to be staring at for 10 hours a day. Like, this is an opportunity to set an atmosphere, to set a tone. This is what I want.
- [89:18]
Megyn Kelly
What is a telegraph?
- [89:19]
Doug Brunt
Yeah. So it's not trivial. It actually is something.
- [89:21]
Megyn Kelly
Well, this led to a discussion that we had about, like, what, who do you want the kids to marry? You know, and I was saying, my God, they. They all have to marry somebody with a good sense of humor. Like, number one.
- [89:31]
Doug Brunt
Totally.
- [89:32]
Megyn Kelly
Right. And we were talking about this because.
- [89:33]
Doug Brunt
It'S like, you're so lucky in that regard because I, you know, you're very funny.
- [89:37]
Megyn Kelly
I am lucky. Yeah. I treasure you.
- [89:40]
Doug Brunt
Yeah. I will see, though, you are actually the funnier of the two.
- [89:43]
Megyn Kelly
What? That's never been conceded before by anyone.
- [89:45]
Doug Brunt
Well, I felt under pressure. On air and everything.
- [89:49]
No, off air. I'm going to take it back.
- [89:51]
Megyn Kelly
But we laugh a lot.
- [89:51]
Doug Brunt
Totally.
- [89:52]
Megyn Kelly
We laugh at each other.
- [89:53]
Doug Brunt
And our kids are so good. All three of them have developed a different but awesome sense of humor.
- [89:57]
Megyn Kelly
Yes. Because it is important. Number one, it's important to laugh at life, but it's almost equally important to be able to laugh at yourself and others. All of those things must be laughed at. It's not cruel. Like, it's. It's a stress relief mechanism. I really think it's the ants. The antidote to cortisol. Right. Like, just laughing and life provides so many opportunities. It could be just nothing but, like, we're constantly making fun of ourselves, you.
- [90:21]
Doug Brunt
Know, And I have noticed. I mean, you and I have had these little sidebar conversations when one of our kids isn't hanging in that department. Like, he gets made fun of, and you can see, like, he's a little pissed off that he got a little made fun of. And we're like, that's not. I mean, we don't pounce on him at that point, but we're like, you know, that's a sign that we need to keep doing that until he gets a little better at the. Otherwise, he's gonna, you know, it's not gonna work out come college dorm days.
- [90:46]
Megyn Kelly
That's right. Life is tough. And you really do have to be able to laugh at all of it, or you're not gonna make it very far. I really feel like, you know, my Nana. I've talked about her on the show, too. She died at 101. She only ate processed foods. She never exercised a day in her life.
- [91:03]
So what did she do? She laughed a lot. She was very funny. She had a circle of friends that laughed. She was very quick to make fun of herself, first and foremost, but everyone else as well. Like, I do think it's a. It could make the difference between life and death.
- [91:18]
Doug Brunt
Totally.
- [91:18]
Andrew Sullivan
Totally.
- [91:18]
Doug Brunt
We need to study Nana, and we need to study Dick Van Dyke. Whatever those two are doing, I'm all of it.
- [91:24]
Megyn Kelly
Well, I was a little concerned about Dick Van Dyke's comments about how he made it to 100.
- [91:28]
Doug Brunt
He said he was like drinking way too much until his 50s.
- [91:31]
Megyn Kelly
That wasn't the part that concerned me. It was. He said I was sort of on. He said he's. He's never. It was either he's never hated anyone or he's never been, like, rageful. I was like, oh.
- [91:44]
Doug Brunt
I don't think he's right about that. You know, people can't self analyze. They have no idea. We need to analyze him, you know, from the outside. It was all the dancing.
- [91:51]
Megyn Kelly
It was the dancing.
- [91:53]
Doug Brunt
He's skinny, you know, he's a skinny guy. That probably helps a lot.
- [91:55]
Megyn Kelly
It was totally the old bamboo in Chitty Chitty Bamboo. Once you learn that, you keep doing that dance, you live forever.
- [92:02]
Doug Brunt
Yeah.
- [92:03]
Megyn Kelly
How are we gonna do that?
- [92:04]
Doug Brunt
The old bamboo?
- [92:05]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
- [92:05]
Doug Brunt
Yeah. Oh, my God. Yes. We have to watch that with the kids. I think they're totally up for it. They haven't. The kids. We used to watch this movie on a loop about 10 years ago.
- [92:13]
Megyn Kelly
You guys know Chitty Chitty Bang Bang? Yeah.
- [92:16]
Doug Brunt
And it's such an amazing movie. It does have that AI haircut. So I. I saw your tweet on that actually, that this was already invented in Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. But the kids, I think, have like, foggy memories of it. So I'm excited to see how they see it.
- [92:28]
Megyn Kelly
Now, obviously, I love all parts of it. I love Truly Scrumptious. I love, love, love Dick Van Dyke. He's just so early charming. I love the apparatus he sets up in their house to cook the breakfast, to lift the blankets off the beds. It's all great. The villains are great in Bavaria. The whistle thing, that's such a great scene. It's like, who even knew? But we had a very funny thing happen with our love of Chichi Bang Bang over our fakesgiving holiday where we have the family come for fake Thanksgiving. Not the actual day, but it makes it easier on everybody who needs to travel. And we split the family into two groups to play charades. And our side was coming up with the clues for. For the other side. And then they came up with their clues for us. Now, unbeknownst to our opponents, who are also family members.
- [93:20]
Our family is obsessed with Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. We know a lot about Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. We've seen that movie. Truly hundreds. Yeah, exactly. So there was a joke when we used to watch it. Our oldest Yates, who was just a little guy at the time, like two or three, he Saw this one scene involving this boat, and there were these, like, rounded things on the boat, like.
- [93:40]
Doug Brunt
Funnels from the top of the boat.
- [93:41]
Megyn Kelly
Okay, yeah. And for whatever. And then the two. Two bad guys hide themselves later in those funnels and go on land and start spying on people. And for whatever reason, Yates always referred to them as the barrels. The bear. I want to see the barrels. And he would do this with his hands for listening audience. I'm like, twinkling my fingers together. It needs to be like, the barrels. Well, I got up there and I pulled my clue from the other side. And the movie was Chitty Chitty Bang Bang. And you were on my team, so I needed to act this out to you. And of course they're wondering. I'm sure the other side is like, okay, maybe she'll do bang Bang. How's she gonna get this? And all I said was movie. And then I did the finger motion and you were like, chitty Chitty Bang.
- [94:23]
Doug Brunt
At which point, there's no convincing them that we haven't been cheating. There's nothing you can say. They're like, no, no, no. You obviously cheated.
- [94:30]
Megyn Kelly
None whatsoever. And we did crush them.
- [94:32]
Doug Brunt
I mean, it was embarrassing. Had to take pity on them.
- [94:36]
Megyn Kelly
It was brutal. It was so fun. I love charades. What a fun game. Our kids have recently introduced us to a new game.
- [94:42]
Doug Brunt
Oh, my God, that is so fun. What is that thing called?
- [94:44]
Megyn Kelly
Imposter.
- [94:45]
Doug Brunt
Imposter.
- [94:46]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
- [94:46]
Doug Brunt
Yeah. So someone in the group, you can do it on your iPhone, which is actually a great use of the phone for this.
- [94:51]
Megyn Kelly
So explain it how it works.
- [94:52]
Doug Brunt
Let's see. Oh, my God.
- [94:54]
Megyn Kelly
If there's five of us sitting there, the five of us are sitting there.
- [94:57]
Doug Brunt
And someone's the imposter.
- [94:58]
Megyn Kelly
And there's a word, and everybody has to hold the phone at one point. Like, it starts off, I'll explain it.
- [95:08]
So if I were patient zero of this five person game. But you can play it with, you know, three people, too. I think three is probably the fewest you could do it with.
- [95:16]
Doug Brunt
Five. Yeah, I would say five is. Yeah, five or more would be most fun.
- [95:19]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah. So you open, you see the phone. I don't know the app. I'll ask the kids. But I'm sure if you Google imposter app, you can get it. And it will say, like, you agree as a family on which category you're going to pick. Like, there's sports, there's, like, movies. And we. We picked movies for one.
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I wasn't. Was I the first on that one? No, I Wasn't. Okay, so Yeardley went first on this one and I might take over. No, no, I've got this. Unbeknownst to me, she got Peppa Pig. That was the clue. So Yeardley wasn't the imposter. I was. And so when Yardley looked at the phone, it said Yardley and she saw Peppa Pig. Then we handed it to Thatcher and he saw Peppa Pig. Then they handed it to me and I saw imposter.
- [96:07]
Doug Brunt
Yes. You have no idea that it's Peppa Pig.
- [96:09]
Megyn Kelly
You don't know. So when the phone gets handed to you, it just says your name, because the person who starts it just types in the five names who are playing. So when it sees I see Megan, I hit it. And then it either says imposter or it gives me the clue. And then we pass the phone around and then you start guessing. And the way it works is like, Yeardley went first and so she said, oh, I knew we were in, like, TV and movies. And she said pink. And then the next person said, Australia.
- [96:34]
And so when it got to me, I was the imposter. And I thought, flamingo. That's what I thought we were going for. So when you're the imposter, you have to try to act like you know what it is. You have to, like, act like you know. And the other people have to, when they, when they do know, have to reveal a clue that shows they know, but not so much that they're gonna clue in the imposter. So I said, feather, and you go, mom's the imposter. And everyone started laughing at me. Everyone started laughing because it is.
- [97:01]
Doug Brunt
If you're early as the imposter, you don't have enough. You know, if you go late, you might get enough clues that you can sort of dial in on what it is. Otherwise you're just sort of throwing darts and hoping to say something that makes any amount of sense to the rest of the group.
- [97:15]
Megyn Kelly
We are here today with Douglas Brunt promoting his new novel, the Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel. Even though it doesn't sound like it, you can get it on pre order right now. It's well worth your time. But that game imposter is worth your time as well. However, be more ambiguous than I was with that whole thing. Now I want to keep going. I want to keep going a little. We're going to keep going past the break a little bit. Sorry, ej, I'm going to eat into the next hour. Just a bit in the news today. Well, yesterday, but also Today is the fact that they have named a new CBS Evening News anchor.
- [97:53]
Did you know that they were looking for one?
- [97:56]
Doug Brunt
The only reason I know anything about this story is you tweeted how irrelevant it is. And I saw your tweet, and I'm like, oh, what's so irrelevant? And it was decouple.
- [98:07]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, yeah. Tony Decouple. Do you know anything about Tony decopol?
- [98:10]
Doug Brunt
I don't. I remember he got in trouble for, like, doing an interview that pushed back a bit in a way. I don't remember all the details about it, but I remember he pushed back in a way that seemed like actual journalism, and he got blowback for it.
- [98:21]
Megyn Kelly
It was a great moment on the morning show. Yes.
- [98:23]
Doug Brunt
That's the only way I know, which is a positive, positive thing to know, I guess. But it is crazy irrelevant. I mean, you and I are the same age. We grew up in, you know, 150 miles apart at the same time. Like, loving all the same movies, having the same high school experiences, and watching one of three evening news anchors. And that's almost how households identified in those times. Like, are you a Jennings house? Are you a Rather's house? Yeah, you know, we were Jennings. You were Jennings.
- [98:49]
Megyn Kelly
We were Jennings, too.
- [98:50]
Doug Brunt
And no longer, like, that's no longer how people. It used to be like, I'm an American. I'm a Christian or a Presbyterian. I'm a Whatever. And we watched Jennings like it was in the top 10 of things. Identify your household, and no longer nobody even cares. Nobody, you know, our age or younger.
- [99:07]
Megyn Kelly
Gets news that was so irrelevant. Right. It's like, yeah, I mean, I would. I know I'm biased, but I think podcasts are far more relevant now. People, like, they have their loyalty, their allegiance to, like, this show. If you're going to spend an hour or two a day with somebody, it's not gonna be the evening news. My God, why would you.
- [99:23]
Doug Brunt
By the way, it used to be like the newspaper the next day was kind of stale from yesterday's news, you know, the immediate cut because of cable. And now be, you know, with the. By the time it's made it through the producers and packaged and written and ready for primetime cable. Evening news. It's so old.
- [99:40]
Megyn Kelly
It's so old.
- [99:40]
Doug Brunt
Yeah.
- [99:41]
Megyn Kelly
So I don't think, you know, like, all the mainstream media is writing articles like, can Tony Decouple Restore CBS to its former glory. I'm like, when? What glory? And they're like, can he get them out of third place? The answer is, no, he cannot. He can't. Do that either. Nothing's changing in TV news other than diminishing.
- [99:59]
Doug Brunt
I think he can do something relatively with the other three, but the three as a unit like Evening News is going only one way, which is down no.
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Megyn Kelly
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Megyn Kelly
Hey, everyone, it's me, Megyn Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on serious. It's called the Megyn Kelly Channel, and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered, with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megyn Kelly show, you're going to hear from people like Mark Halperin, link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily jasinsky, Jesse Kelly, RealClear Politics, and many more. It's bold. No BS news only on the Megyn Kelly Channel, SiriusXM 111, and on the SiriusXM app.
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We are back now with Doug Brunt. It was a very tough booking for me, but I made it this morning over coffee. He is here promoting his soon to be released the Lost empire of Emmanuel Nobel, Romanov's revolutionaries and the forgotten titan who fueled the world. I like that. Not ruled the world, fueled the world.
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Doug Brunt
Play on with the font that Rubio would approve of.
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Megyn Kelly
Well done. Exactly. It's. It's musculature. It's got musculature.
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Doug Brunt
It gives you a sense of history. Turn of the century.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, except we've changed the COVID since then. Since this.
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Doug Brunt
Yes. Not the font. We did. We got rid of the Romanovs.
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Megyn Kelly
Wait, hold on. Okay, there we go.
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Doug Brunt
That lower right picture of the Romanov Tsar Nicholas ii, his family who were brutally killed. We moved that to the back because it seemed like the COVID was a little too busy with that on there.
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Megyn Kelly
So it's fun hearing the stories, right? About, like, how a book that you enjoy or wind up loving changed over.
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Doug Brunt
Time, like, from the title to the.
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Megyn Kelly
So here is the Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel. This is Doug's bestseller. This book has sold a ton. Hugely successful. And it's a mystery about Rudolph Diesel, who was the Elon Musk of his time, who went missing. And Doug solved the case. He solved the mystery of what happened to him. And it was not always called the Mysterious Case of Rudolph Diesel.
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Doug Brunt
No, I mean, for months and months, my editor and I were going back and forth like, we're going to solve this over a bottle of wine. We came up with Engines and Empires. It's the diesel engine. And I loved it. He loved it. 11th hour. They have a sales meeting with the internal SNS team. Barnes and Noble has a sales team that contributes to this stuff, too. The CEO, John Karp of Simon and Schuster. And so I get this call. We've already printed galleys like what we have for Nobel, and it has the Engines and Empires title. He's like, everyone Loved the book. It's charming, it's atmospheric. It takes us to this early Downton Abbey era and a crazy mystery. And it's super fun and great history. Except the title. We got to change the title. I'm like, what? What?
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Megyn Kelly
That's the one thing we had.
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Doug Brunt
So they had come up with a different title, and in the last second, it was that. So those things happen. And it's kind of a fun part of the journey when the book is all aspects of it. I really love the research and time in the archives. All of it is great, but these fun little twists at the end and looking at the COVID art, the SNS cover art team, their art department is amazing.
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Megyn Kelly
It's very cool.
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Doug Brunt
And it's always interesting to hear or see how someone else has an expression of the story, you know, like what they come up with for a cover of this book you just spent years writing, right?
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Megyn Kelly
That year. It's like, year. It's your personal baby, your creativity, your research, all of that went into it. And then somebody else has got strong thoughts on it. And it's fascinating to get the first, like, read back or feel feedback on how somebody else sees it. Like, what is this book about? What it should be called. You do host a podcast, which we're actually now airing on the Megyn Kelly Channel on Saturdays, called Dedicated with Doug Brunt, which I mentioned. And you had a very interesting interview the other day with Michael Lewis, famed.
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Doug Brunt
Author, author of Moneyball and Blindside and Liar's Poker.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. All of which have become big movies. And he winds up telling you a story about. Okay, I'm not gonna give it away. Listen to this story. I'm just gonna run the sound bite. It's going to end in a big reveal about somebody you, the Megyn Kelly show listeners and watchers, know very well. It's. This guy's everywhere. He's Waldo. He's everywhere. Okay, listen to Michael Lewis talking to Doug Brunt.
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Tom Bevan
One of the people we interview, I interviewed for this podcast was Steve Bannon. My connection to Steve Bannon, he bought the movie rights to Liar's Poker.
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Doug Brunt
Oh, my God. I didn't know he was even in that business.
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Tom Bevan
You did know he was in that business. Where do you think his money came from, Seinfeld? He went from.
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Doug Brunt
Steve Bannon was involved with.
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Tom Bevan
Steve Bannon went from the Navy to the Navy to Harvard Business School to Goldman Sachs to Hollywood. Bannon told me, I just found this out, like, a month ago, that.
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Not only did he buy the movie rights, but he was so pissed off by how bad the script was, they got out of a very fancy script writer that he went off in a little dark room by himself and wrote a Liar's Poker screenplay himself. He was obsessed with this.
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Doug Brunt
Did you get to read it?
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Tom Bevan
Well, this is the next thing. I'm gonna go see him. And he says he has a copy somewhere. So I want to read it. I want to see what he did.
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Megyn Kelly
That would be amazing.
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Doug Brunt
I'm glad you played that Crip. I gotta follow up with Michael Lewis to find out how the Bannon meeting went. This is all sort of happening now.
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Megyn Kelly
You call him, and I'll call Steve and we'll see whether this is happening.
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Doug Brunt
I would love to see that. Liar's Poker is an amazing book. It's so good.
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Megyn Kelly
So Liar Poker has not yet been made a movie.
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Doug Brunt
Has not been made a movie. But it's his first book. It was a breakout book. He tells so many amazing stories of how he first started writing. You know, he was working at Solomon Brothers and Wall street, and he writes. He has sort of a Jerry Maguire moment. He gets this article published about how bankers are paid too much, and it goes in the Wall Street Journal. And someone had sort of stuck their neck out to get him this job at Solomon Brothers. So he comes up the elevator feeling like. Like, I've written this. I'm in the Journal, like, this is so exciting. And the guy who got him the job is at the top of the elevator bay, like, ashen looking, like, what have you done? Like, you can't do that. You can't work here and do that. You pick one. So he ends up actually writing financial articles under a. Under a pseudonym for a while. But then he comes out with Larry's Poker, which is an amazing book.
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Megyn Kelly
This reminds me of a story when I was practicing law where we had a client who came to us already having had a default judgment entered against them. Like, they had blown off this complaint repeatedly. And the plaintiff got a default judgment against them because they failed to defend. Then they called us and said, will you help us? So I was a little person on the totem pole. So they sent me in there, like, go get this default judgment vacated for our client. Which is an uphill battle. So I went in there, and it was very contentious. And the other side, the plaintiff, did not want the default judgment to go away. We really battled, and the judge gave me a super hard time because the client had been completely derelict and defending. And it was just a funny and tumultuous time in my career. So long story short, they vacated the default judgment and the court wrote this opinion, like in writing that you can still look up now where he really praised me and the oral argument, but he completely dumped on my client. I was so young. I was like, this is the greatest opinion ever.
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Doug Brunt
He loved me.
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Megyn Kelly
I brought it back to Jones Day and I'm like, look what they said. And of course the seasoned lawyers were like, this is not a great opinion for our client, who now is like being ripped by a court on the record repeatedly for its dereliction of duty. I'm like, but I got the right result. And look at all the priests for me.
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Kind of like that.
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Doug Brunt
Yeah.
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And like Michael Lewis, you went on to a great career.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. From there it all different place. You know, that's right. I'll wound up working out different. Different industry altogether. Although some of the skills translated. Here's the other piece of news I wanted to talk to you about. We've been trying to get this on. This has been out for a week now. The Atlantic dropped a piece called Accommodation Nation. And this piece, you may not have read it, but it is all about something that you're very familiar with. How many schools now this focuses on colleges, but it's true in high schools and other schools too have, quote, disabled students who need, quote, need extra time on the exams. It's gotten out of control. Even the Atlantic is calling it an explosion. Over the past 15 years, the increase is driven by more young people getting diagnosed with conditions such as adhd, anxiety and depression, and by universities making the process of getting accommodations easier. The change has occurred disproportionately at the most prestigious and expensive institutions. Of course, right? Students, they write, you hear students with disabilities. It's not kids in wheelchairs, one professor at a selective university told the magazine. It's rich kids getting extra time on tests. Even as poor students with disabilities still struggle to get necessary provisions. Elite universities have entered an age of accommodation. Here, listen to this. Individual universities. These are stats from the Harvard crimson. Stanford. In 2014, 3% of the student body said they had a disability. Today, 38%.
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Doug Brunt
Oh, my God, I can see that.
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Megyn Kelly
Brown, 2014, 10% now 22. Cornell, 2014, 5% now 22. Harvard, 2014, 3%, now 21. Yale, 2014, 8%, now 20%. The school with the lowest is MIT. They had 3% in 2014, and they have 8%. UC Berkeley, the number has quintupled over the past 15 years. Amherst, it's at 34%. At one law school, which they don't name 45% of the students receive academic accommodations. And listen to this. The Americans. It's because of the Americans with Disabilities act, which was passed in 1990, meant to make life fairer for people who have actual disabilities and you have to provide a reasonable accommodation. But now it's been expanded to people who basically have any physical or quote, mental impairment. That substantially limits major life activity. And even beyond that. Now, now, in 2018, 2008, Congress amended the ADA to restore the definition to include a list of major life activities that could be disrupted by disability, including learning, reading, concentrating, thinking, even if it doesn't severely restrict your daily life. And now this depression thing. Listen to this.
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Mental health issues have joined. ADHD is the primary driver of the accommodations. Boom. The number of young people diagnosed with depression and anxiety has exploded.
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Okay, it doesn't need it. After the release of the DSM 5, the symptoms need only to interfere with or reduce the quality of academic functioning. That's all. Reduce the quality of your academic functioning. And for this you get extra time or unlimited time on your exams or papers, or you can get out of homework or you can get the professor to, quote, not call on you without warning. That's happening at Carnegie Mellon, per the Atlantic. Ohio State says 36% there have these issues. You can get extensions on take home assignments, permission to miss class. You can get social anxiety disorder. If you say you have that. You can get a note so you're not called on in class. And then some get housing accommodations, including single rooms and emotional support animals. One administrator told me, writes the author, that a student at a public college in California had permission to bring their mother to class. This became a problem because the mom turned out to be an enthusiastic class participant.
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This is deeply wrong and we've all seen it.
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Doug Brunt
As you're reading that and all the stats and there are all these universities you're talking about, it's occurring to me. The real. I mean, this is something we've talked about a bit before, but with this story. The real problem here is the college admission process. It's so screwed up. And the parents, well, it's the parents fault and the university, because the parents gear everything around the wrong goal. We're supposed to be preparing these kids for life. So offering these little cheat codes to get a better grade to get into the college is not preparing you for life. It's preparing you to get into the college that makes the parent feel good. Like junior got into an IV or whatever it is and it's ruined. Not only Academics. It's ruined athletics because that's the same thing too. Athletics used to be about teaching. Practice equals improvement and teamwork and all of these values that you get from sports. And in addition to just sort of having a rounded youth. Having a rounded youth. That's like the way to get into College in the 70s and 80s. Now you're not rounded. You have to be a specialist in one thing. You have to be the best violinist or the best chess player so you can get into Yale or whatever. Well rounded is not valued at all. And it's the same with these academics. If someone's like struggling on their SAT or on their math test, if they don't actually have a problem giving them an extra hour to take it so they get a little bit better grades, they can get a little bit better. College is backward. You should be teaching them. How are you going to survive in the world?
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Megyn Kelly
Right. When you get out into the law firm or the investment bank or whatever you wind up doing. They're not going to give you extra time into the test. You've got to perform. Someone's there. The client needs this result by 5pm period.
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Doug Brunt
But no one is. No longer is anyone chasing a goal for their kids of how am I going to prepare this person for life? How are they going to be strong and self sufficient, provide for themselves? It's all geared around a college application for an Ivy League school.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. As if that degree is your make or break ticket.
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Doug Brunt
That's why they play lacrosse 500 hours a month or squashed or whatever it is. It's all about college. It's not about a great experience for my kid or my kid enjoying a rounded life. We're all so screwed up with all of this college stuff. It's really perverted everything.
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Megyn Kelly
And this is so unfair because if you have a kid who just studies hard and goes into class and is ready to take the test, they get disadvantaged by this. They've got a kid with obviously equal abilities.
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Doug Brunt
Yeah. But has a little money. So they get a doctor's note that says he has this problem. It's diagnosed.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. We could all get this note very easily and use it to advance our kids future or get extra time for our kids on their tests. This is not to disparage those who have genuine disabilities. There are that. That few that Those numbers in 2014 sound real to me about 3%. But all it's now it's gone from 3 to 34. Bullshit. Those 31% are fucking faking it to get an academic advantage and It's. It's a disadvantage for the kids who just work hard and show up and want to color within the lines they want. They'll play by the rules.
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Doug Brunt
Have to hope that after college, when Junior with the note went to Cornell and someone else without the note went to Syracuse, what.
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They'Re gonna meet in the workplace one day, and who's gonna win?
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Megyn Kelly
Right.
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Doug caught my. Well, Doug caught my illness, sort of. Sort of. I'll explain what happened, but let me. Remind me to explain that in a second. I really think when I was reading this, I was like, okay, so then when you apply to college, you don't have to put on there that you got the extra time. The colleges don't get to know what. Yeah, you're not actually allowed to ask, and you don't have to put it on there. So the colleges have no idea who. Who took the SAT in nine hours.
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Doug Brunt
So they have to resubmit the note when they get to college for the tests there?
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Megyn Kelly
No, no. Oh, yeah, yeah, of course. Yes. But who cares? By that point, their only goal is to get hired by Goldman Sachs or what have you. But I think, like, what. What if we just played this out and said there's no time limit. There's no time limit on any tests. Tests are now held, like, whatever. If you want to take your history test at your history class, which starts at 1pm and most students have to finish in 40 or 50 minutes, whoever wants to stay for two hours can stay for two hours. Like, go ahead, all of you. You'll then have to make up the work that you missed in the classes after that. Good luck with that. Like, that's a disadvantage. That's a you thing. But, like, what if we just said to all students, if you want the extra time, you can have it. I actually think this could help solve it because this would be like, a nightmare for the teachers. They wouldn't like it. It would eventually kill itself. Right. This system. And what would happen to, like, the kids with the disabilities wouldn't much like all the other kids having all the extra time either.
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Doug Brunt
Yeah, but they can take 10 more hours if everyone's. Yeah, I don't know. Actually, that would be good.
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Megyn Kelly
I kind of. I'm tempted by it, but. So here's what happened with Doug's illness. As you guys know, I was sick last week. I still have a hangover on the Voice, but I'm fine. But Doug got it, obviously. He's my husband, so he got it. But yours was less bad.
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Doug Brunt
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And would you like, to tell the people how you fought it.
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Doug Brunt
I claim that. I claim when I first started feeling something, you know, it starts in the throat. So as soon as I felt something, I'm like, oh, my God. I had a couple of things that were going to be hard to reschedule. I was like, I really would like not to get sick as I now am. So I started. I cut a lemon in half, and I squeezed it into tea, and I took a sauna, like, every. I've got one. Thank you, honey.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. I was gonna say, you need the water.
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Doug Brunt
And I. And I did that basically every day for, like, five days.
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Megyn Kelly
Took a sauna and squeezed lemon into tea.
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Doug Brunt
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And you were taking the Zycam.
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Doug Brunt
The Zycam, yeah. Which is like. I don't know, zinc is in there and some other stuff.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. And you think it minimized your experience?
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Doug Brunt
I think I. So I did get it, but I feel like I got it about 10% the level you had it. You were really hurting for a while. You lost your voice. And I never had it anywhere near what you had it, but I did have it.
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Megyn Kelly
So you did want to discuss.
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Doug Brunt
Is amazing. The difference. I don't know if this is a sex thing or what, but I do talk about it more when I'm sick and I'm a little bit of a baby, and I want to just, like, be under the blankets and have someone tell me it's going to be all right. And meanwhile, like, you've lost your voice. You're taking steroids so you can keep your voice. And I'm like, you know, I feel a little tickle. And you're like, would you shut the fuck up?
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Megyn Kelly
I said, we don't have to talk about Typhoid Mary over here, but we definitely should not spend too much time talking about that tickle.
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That was very funny, but I am sorry that I got you sick. Now that you actually have.
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Doug Brunt
It's all worth it, honey. Watching our Christmas in Connecticut.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. We actually fired that up this week for the first time in a year. It's so fun. I. I don't know. I love everything about it. I love the way I feel when those Christmas specials are on the tv. I love. It's not even, like. It's not, like, a great movie, you know, it's.
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Doug Brunt
No, it's just kind of weird in a few places. It, like, gets the atmosphere going.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Like, she's kind of supposed to be married to this guy and cheating on him, whatever. She's not, though. She's not actually married to the guy. I just love the feeling. I love the. First of all, I love feeling of old movies, right? It's like a very cool vibe. And second of all, I love the cinematography with a sleigh ride in that movie. I love, like, all the snow outside reminds me of my childhood up in Syracuse, New York. I miss snow. I miss tons of snow. Like, I miss where snow is the default as opposed to green and brown in the winter. Well, brown and brown. And I just love this season so much, you know, like these little twinkling lights in the studio. I'd love to keep these past December, but even I, who am a die hard Christmas fan, can't do it. Because when Christmas is over, you gotta move on.
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Doug Brunt
Come mid January, you're just ready for warm weather. It's enough.
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Megyn Kelly
You gotta clean it up and move on. It only comes once a year, which is why you must treasure it for the next X number of days, because it comes and it goes. So what are you getting me for Christmas this year?
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Doug Brunt
Not telling.
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Megyn Kelly
We don't really do Christmas presents for each other. Is that true?
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Doug Brunt
Lately, it's like, write a letter.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, I love that.
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Doug Brunt
That's an important thing. And then I'll find a little something.
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Megyn Kelly
One year, a couple years ago is either my birthday or Mother's Day. I don't remember. But you. You gave me a beautiful letter, which I always love. That's really what I want every year. And a little dumb pillow.
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Doug Brunt
It wasn't even that nice. It was from cvs.
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Megyn Kelly
No, it was a CVS pillow. Like a shamrock. Because I'm like, what is this?
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Doug Brunt
Sometimes they acquire some nice merchandise.
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Megyn Kelly
It doesn't go anywhere. Like, it was cute.
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Doug Brunt
It was a little shamrock. It was like a statement pillow.
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Megyn Kelly
Put it like the house has been decorated by somebody who knows what he's doing.
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He will not approve. It was. The thought of that count is I really loved it.
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Doug Brunt
Yeah. By the way. So I know you had Elliot Ackerman on earlier this week and you were discussing my lack of fashion, which I cannot deny.
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Megyn Kelly
Fashion.
- [122:09]
Doug Brunt
Your observations there on my fashion. But I was bleeding edge on the quarter zip, which apparently is the thing now.
- [122:16]
Megyn Kelly
Totally. You were black diamond sexy before it was popular. We will find the episode with a fifth column to explain to the audience what that means. Although the die hard fans of the Megyn Kelly show already know black diamond. You're black diamond sexy.
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Doug Brunt
And. And how you're the saboteur.
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Megyn Kelly
And I was wrong. I was. I was wrong about it all. You. You were always sexy. Just a question of how sexy and what it was encapsulated in. You got there. Got there in the end, babe. Here's to that.
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Doug Brunt
Cheers.
- [122:43]
Megyn Kelly
Love you, honey.
- [122:44]
Doug Brunt
Love you, honey.
- [122:45]
Megyn Kelly
Merry Christmas. Happy New Year. Don't forget to go and get Doug's new book. It's called the Lost Empire of Emmanuel Nobel. You guys are really gonna love it. I promise. And now I will hand it over to our pal, Emily Jasinski, who has been patiently waiting. Thank you so much, EJ. We love you, too. She's hosting the MK wrap up show on SiriusXM111. We'll see you tomorrow.
- [123:07]
Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.
- [123:19]
Tom Bevan
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