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The Megyn Kelly Show
Today Show Cattiness, "Love Story" Lies, and SCOTUS Strikes Down Trump's Tariffs, with Maureen Callahan and Will Chamberlain | Ep. 1257
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Megyn Kelly is joined by Will Chamberlain, senior counsel at the Article III Project, to discuss the Supreme Court ruling striking down President Trump’s tariffs, how the decision impacts Trump’s negotiating leverage with foreign countries, the significance of the 6-3 ruling with Justices Barrett, Gorsuch, and Roberts siding with the libs, and more. Then Maureen Callahan, host of "The Nerve," joins to talk about Kelly Ripa promoting the idea that staying in excellent shape is simple, how wealthy celebrities create a false narrative about exercise that is unattainable, the obvious cattiness on display at the Today show involving Hoda Kotb and Jenna Bush Hager, the power struggle at NBC while Savannah Guthrie is away, Trump’s latest comments on the Nancy Guthrie case that suggest the investigation may be stalling, major questions surrounding the sheriff’s handling of the case, Meghan Markle’s courtside NBA appearance with Prince Harry, her constant need for public validation and “bla...
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They ruled 6, 3 that the president cannot use the International Economic Emergency Powers act to impose tariffs. That's the extent of the ruling. And they didn't even agree on the reasoning. Right. You had three justices, Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Gorsuch and Justice Barrett using the major questions doctrine, which is basically saying that for a major delegation of congressional power there needs to be a very explicit delegation of that power. And they didn't find that in this case. The three liberals just said the statute doesn't authorize the tariffs. And then Alito, Kavanaugh and Thomas disagree with all that saying pretty straightforward that the statute actually does authorize these tariffs, but they were the losing side. So all these tariffs issued under this, imposed under this particular statute, are unlawful.
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And it's some 200 billion worth of tariffs. I mean, it's a big number that have been issued so far. So what does this mean for all the tariffs that Trump has implemented in the first year of his presidency?
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Well, it's about two thirds of the tariffs were imposed under this specific statute. I think the number I saw was something like 175 billion. Everybody who paid a tariff is probably entitled to a refund. The Supreme Court didn't really lay out the process here other than to strongly suggest that all this will go to the United States Court of International Trade. But all the refund litigation, everything that happens there, that's to be decided later. All, all the Supreme Court decided was that these tariffs were unlawful in the first instance.
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So are we going to get sued by other countries? Is that, who's going to sue us, saying, I want to refund all the tariffs I paid in the United States?
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No, it's going to be the actual people who paid the tariffs. And remember, that's, that's United States citizens and importers. So, like, when you, when you import something from a foreign country, you, the importer are responsible for paying the tariff. The foreign country is in. The foreign manufacturer isn't. So that's who ultimately will pay the tariff here. I mean, I guess it's theoretically possible, you know, some foreign entity might make an argument that they were damaged by these tariffs because they sold fewer of the product than they would have otherwise. And maybe they'll have some claim against the United States for that. I doubt it. I think that the people will, the people who actually have a legitimate claim are the people who paid these tariffs and then are entitled to refunds.
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To me, this seems like the biggest losers will be our poor lawyers at the Department of Justice who are already stretched too thin, who now are going to have to litigate all these claims on who deserves a tariff and who doesn't. But Trump is going to try to argue that he has the ability still, under different statutes, to levy tariffs. Will that help? It might help him going forward. Will it help him with any of these back tariffs that he's already issued under the statute they've said he can't use?
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I don't think that'll happen. That'll, that'll help backfill anything here. Right. Those, those tariffs are unlawful and they, they weren't imposed under the other authorities. And I mean, the, there's a reason he used the emergency statute. It provides there are a lot fewer hoops in terms of imposing some sort of tariff or bar on imports using the iepa. But there are other authorities. I mean, there are product specific authorities that he has that allow him to bar imports of specific or tariff imports of steel, for instance, or cars. And there are also nation specific authorities that he has outside of the IEPA that he could do that he already has used on China, for example. So, you know, it's not the end of.
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He's not powerless. He's not now powerless to issue tariffs. He just cannot do the sweeping scheme that he's been doing where he's been using them as a carrot and a stick to do a whole bunch of things, including stop fentanyl from crossing into our borders, to stop countries like India and Pakistan from having a war, and to write the trade imbalance that he walked into, that he inherited when he became president. And now all of that is into question. So on a go forward basis, he does have some possible tariff schemes he can impose retroactively, maybe not so much. So what would you say is the net effect of this on the Trump agenda?
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Well, it weakens it. I mean, there's just no getting around that. It's a bad ruling for the Trump administration. It's really bad for the country because the tariffs are a key part of the president's arsenal in negotiating with foreign countries. And if foreign countries know that Trump is a little more handcuffed in how he can impose tariffs and there will be more reluctant to make concessions and trade negotiations. It's as simple as that. I think Justice Kavanaugh had the best of the argument here. I thought Congress clearly delegated this authority to the President and it makes sense that they would, because tariffs are so interwoven with our economic negotiations with foreign countries that you want the president to have the flexibility and the credibility to be able to impose tariffs when he needs to. So, yeah, I think this was a bad ruling from the Supreme Court. No. And it's gonna hurt the president. Is it devastating? No, but it's gonna hurt the president and it's gonna hurt the country.
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Mm. We had good old Alito and Thomas siding with the conservative POV and Justice Gavin, who's been more moderate, saying, yep, I'm with these guys. And then you had Gorsuch and you had Amy Coney Barrett going with John Roberts to side with the Three Libs on this. I will say, what do you make of this Gorsuch quote? Cuz I Like this. I don't love a huge, hugely powerful executive because I'm always thinking about who's coming next. Right. I certainly don't want to see a hugely powerful Gavin Newsom or AOC or Gretchen Whitmer. And here's what Gorsuch wrote a ruling for him here, meaning the President, the President acknowledges would afford future presidents the same latitude he asserts for himself. So another president might impose tariffs on gas powered automobiles to respond to climate change or really on virtually any imports for any, quote, emergency any president might perceive. And all of these emergency declarations would be unreviewable. Just ask yourself what president would willingly give up that kind of power. This is how he, this is what Gorsuch does. He reels you in with comments like that that make you think about AOC and my gas powered car. Do you think that that's a real concern? I mean like that, that if we allowed the President to have this kind of tariff power to himself, that it was basically a slippery slope where it was going to get expanded to micromanage our lives by a more aggressive Dem president next?
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I mean, possibly, but the President's always checked by political accountability, right? He's accountable to his voters. He has to win half the country. And if Congress doesn't like the extent to which the President is using the power granted to him, they can always change the statute. I mean the fact that Congress has basically exceeded, I'm not sure if they exceeded is the right word. I know there's been some fighting over these tariffs, but again, Congress has the ability to write this own laws. This is not a constitutional case, this is a statutory interpretation case. So I kind of find Gorsuch's sort of reassurances unimpressive, I guess would be the right word. It's a statutory interpretation case. I thought Kavanaugh had the better interpretation of the statute, thought the dissenters had it right. And so obviously, yes, the President should only be able to exercise the authority given to him by Congress. The real question of dispute was how much authority did they give him?
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Right? So if we don't like that amount of power, take it up with the US Congress. If you believe this statute did in fact delegate the power to issue these tariffs to the President. It wasn't about how bad or good that might be. It was about did they or didn't they? Uh, well, this court has found they didn't. And that was predictable. I mean if you watch the oral argument, and I know the DOJ was expecting a loss here, they, they've been trying to plan for it. The president's unhappy, but I think he's got some other tricks up his sleeve, so we'll have to wait and see. Will Chamberlain, thanks for coming on so quickly and giving us the quick 41 1.
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Absolutely. Thanks for having me.
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Okay, up next, Maureen Callahan is here for the full show, and we have a lot to go over. All right, she's got a lot of thoughts on the reboot of America's Next Top Model that could be coming. But there's this huge Netflix show out about Tyra Banks and that show. It's number one on Netflix right now. She's got thoughts that plus we're going to get into the Olympics. Plus we've got the latest on Nancy Guthrie. Plus, she's got thoughts on the JFK Jr. Story about Carolyn Bessette. You know, she wrote the book on the Kennedys two summers ago. So there's a lot on the agenda. All right, don't go anywhere if you're stressed out about getting out of debt. It's go time. This is one of those moments where timing matters. And let me tell you about done with debt. 2025 was a record year for them. People who collectively had more than $102 million in debt turned to these guys for help. And right now may be the best time for you to negotiate a settlement. Done With Debt tracks credit card and loan company behavior. They are experienced at knowing who, who's negotiating and when and what it takes to get you the biggest reduction possible. Whether you are carrying 10,000 or 500,000 in debt, this may be the best chance you will get all year. So consider scheduling a free consultation. It only takes a few minutes. Imagine waking up without that weight on your shoulders and doing it without taking out another loan or filing for bankruptcy. Done With Debt helps you through the debt relief process so you keep more of your paycheck every month. Go to donewithdebt.com right now, that's donewithdebt.com@planet fitness.
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Tap the banner or visit usaa.com join today to check your eligibility. Restrictions apply. As we told you, the Daily Mail is reporting that Hoda Kotb wants her chair back at the Today Show. No big surprise, given the long history of cattiness both on and off the screen and the fact that, as Maureen and yours truly have been reporting, she never wanted to go to begin with. We've got all the receipts for you today. And also, what does former Prince Andrew's arrest mean for Harry and Meghan? She's already out there trying to pimp her ride. We'll talk about it. Maureen is here. She is Maureen Callahan. She is host of the hit show the Nerve on the MK Media Podcast Network. Go right now and subscribe at the Nerve show on all podcast platforms and on YouTub and everywhere you can get the nerve. Great to see you, my friend.
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I'm so happy to see you. And I just realized we're both all in black.
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I know, right? Well, I dressed up for you because I know I don't normally look nice.
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Oh, you always look great.
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Oh, thank you.
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I love the look.
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I even have the nice boots on, Maureen.
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I even have the nice shoes on.
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Look at us. Look at us. Every once in a while, you have to dress up. You know, you feel like a woman again.
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Right?
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Can't feel like such a ragamuffin all the time every day. I mean, from the waist down, I always have my stretchy pants on or my same. Yeah. Now, I love those aloe loose pants. I'm all over those days.
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I love the. In this weather, the Uniqlo Heattech legging, which just is like, just wraps you up and keeps you cozy and. Yeah.
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Now, the good thing about the tighter legging is that I've noticed one drawback to the aloe pants is you don't realize how, like, if you gained a few, it's imperceptible. Like, you're like, Megan, you never gain a few. Oh, no, I do.
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I always.
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Like, I do. I do do. Here's downfall. I didn't used to be a sucker for sweets, but Doug buys ice cream galore, and he buys the most delicious flavors of Haagen Dazs ice cream. And if it's sitting there in the freezer after dinner, it's very hard to say no to it.
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You can resist. You can eat ice cream in the winter.
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Oh, and I can eat it every day of the year.
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Wow.
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Yeah.
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The only ice thing I can do in the winter is iced coffee, which I do love.
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What do you do for a treat in the winter?
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I love popcorn, but I'm also, like, a salty person. I'll have, like, a few cashews or. But I try to avoid, you know, the sweets in the winter. I just.
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Yeah, Well, I just said, for Lent, I'm gonna give up added sugar. My daughter said she wanted to do it, too. I'm like, okay, we're both gonna give up added sugar. And what did I do yesterday? I had a brownie and ice cream. So, yeah, no, I do eat, and I do sometimes get extra weight in the aloe pants.
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Wow. Yeah, well.
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Tis the season.
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It is the season. And my hat's off to you for Lent. My sister in law's always given up, like, her favorite thing for Lent.
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And yes, it's very hard.
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It's very hard. But then the flip side of that is it's the same thing you just experienced. Then when you're free of it, you binge it.
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Yes.
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You've been denying yourself.
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Yes, I know. Now this. I was gonna save this till later, but I might as well bring it up now. I wanted to talk to you about Kelly Ripa. I saw an article in the Daily Mail this week about her and her amazing ripped body and her incredibly toned physique, and it went through. I actually just did a screen grab. I didn't even tell you we were gonna discuss this, but it talked about, like, how she got it. How she got this amaz. I know. How she got this amazing body. She works one hour a day now. Remember, like, seven years ago, six years ago, when she had that big blowup with ABC about Michael Strahan.
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Oh, yeah.
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And she was, like, playing hardball, and she was mad that, like, I can't remember what she was mad about, but she was mad about the switcheroo on the co. On the co hosts.
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Well, he was getting a big promotion.
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Yes.
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And he didn't tell her because he couldn't tell her.
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Yes.
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And she felt very disrespected.
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Yes. Well, in order to keep her there at that time, they raised her $25 million a year salary to over $30 million a year. This is like seven years ago. It's only gone up since then.
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That's insane.
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They have this enormous townhouse in New York City. It puts, like, Jeffrey Epstein's townhouse.
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I've seen it in Architectural Digest.
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To shame. Exactly. And that's just one of their many homes that these two. Then she gets her husband a job as her co host. And God only knows what he's making. I'm sure he' making at least $5 million a year. They have more money than God. She gets into that show like an hour before she has to do it so she can sit and get hair and makeup and get a wardrobe thrown on her. She does that show which doesn't require two brain cells. You just have to sit there, playfully laugh and talk about your social life. And then she has the rest of her day with hundreds of millions of dollars to play with. Of course she has an incredibly toned physique. They're like, oh, she. Hold on a second. According to her trainer of over 14 years, Anna Kaiser, the TV personality works out six days of the week for 45 minutes no matter where she is. Quote, even when she travels, she'll do the workouts virtually if she needs to. Kaiser told hello magazine. Everyone knows that is her hour, morning or evening. She gets 45 minutes in and that is her time. Kaiser describes her workouts as interval based with a focus on strength. Then I add elements of cardio, dance and power to elevate and make the strength training more effective. The trainer explained to the publication. And on it goes. I mean, I just think Maureen, like the average person out there gets up early, they try to get their school, their kids off to school on time. It's like get your backpack, get your shoes, get your workout gear, get the lunch, the money, the project, the science. They get, you get them off, you're lucky if you get them to school on time. You come back, deal with the shrapnel of the morning which has been left all over the kitchen in the family room. Then you try to get yourself together, looking somewhat decent for the day. You either go off to work an eight or nine hour day where you don't really have a lot of free time. You actually have agenda items. You have to turn in, commute, probably have a commute. Or if you're a stay at home mom, you have a shit ton of other stuff to do. You got to do all the daytime chores, you got to do the laundry, which takes hours and hours. You got to clean, you got to take care of the dogs to do like all that crap. Y and you don't have hundreds of millions of dollars to throw away on trainers six days a week. Who? The Daily Mail has a picture of her. Maybe they got it from. Hello? No, it's from her Instagram. I think of the trainer like With a, with a, like a, a training band around her and she's like running against it like an oxen, you know, against the, the plow. And there, there it is. Look at this. I'm sure this is just how you work out too, isn't it?
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Oh, stop.
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Yeah, this is how you work out. And I just, like, this is so unattainable. And they talk about it like it's like hashtag goals. This would require a lot more than just carving out a mere 45 minutes and being super committed to it. In your day, did you ever do
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Physique 57 or Ballet Barre Class in the city?
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I remember it was big when I was living in New York.
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It was a big thing and I used to do it and I remember being up there, it was near the post office and she was in a class with me one day and I was like, like, this is interesting. Like she just got off tv. Like she's got the time. Like she doesn't do any work after the show. She just cuts loose and goes to Physique 57. Yeah, she does. The other thing I hate about this stuff and Jennifer Aniston is a prime offender in this area too because she's always like these. It's in her home gym with like the Pilates equipment alone is like $10,000 at least. And then you have to have a trainer to use that stuff properly. I used to do Pilates all the time. I love it. But these people also have private nutritionists and chefs because that's really where it comes. It's not like working out 45 minutes a day. That's a supplement. That's a nice add on for longevity, health span, whatever. It's really what you're eating. And it's having somebody who can like measure all the food and weigh all the food and keep track of your intake. Like that is a full time job.
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Yes. And also the laser procedures all over their body. Yes, I know that they. There's a report that that Morpheus laser, which is supposed to hurt like a mofo, that Jennifer Lopez has one in her home. So. But like she's constantly being featured as like, this is what 56 looks like.
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It's not.
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No, it isn't.
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It's not. It's not like you go to the dermatologist, you can, you can get anything lasered off. You can get little age spots lasered off. You know, all the sun damage women typically get here, you can get that all resurface. Most women at their age, it's like Creepy. It's beginning to, you know.
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Yes.
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So it's such bullshit. That thing about her having a Morpheus laser is so amazing.
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Can you imagine what that costs to have that in your home?
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I can't even imagine. I talk to my derm all the time about, like, so she just opened a new office in Aspen, and she's like, yeah, like, I had. I bought X number of lasers. Most derms won't invest in X number of lasers. Because they're that expensive.
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They're so expensive. This is why I tell the audience. This is what I do. I do two fraxels a year, and I love it. And they will do it on the chest, and it will get rid of a lot of sun damage. You can get it on your chest, you can get it on the back of your hands if you want, and get it on your face. And it doesn't hurt at all. They give you the numbing cream? No, they give you the numbing cream. You sit with the numbing cream for about 50 minutes. 5. 0. And then, honestly, that fraxel doesn't hurt at all. Then when you're done, you look a little sunburned for a day. You're a little swollen. They'll give you a steroid if you want it. But, like, you know, like, if I'm gonna be on the air. But I usually try not to schedule it when I'm gonna be on the air the next day. But anyway, you do that twice a year, and I'm telling you, it is a game changer for your skin. But I just hate the. You, like, sure, it's just your 45 minutes a day. And also just the presumption that, like, that's such an easy thing that anybody can do. It's not. It's not that easy to find that time every day. But it is if you have hundreds of millions of bucks.
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It's really not. And, you know, I. I was talking to somebody about this the other day. Like, I used to work out almost like, every day. And since launching the Nerve, I haven't had time.
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Yes.
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And you know what stuff like this does? It makes me feel like about myself, because why don't. Why can't I carve out 45 minutes?
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You know, it sounds so easy.
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It sounds so easy, but it's not. Before you know it, the day is
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gone, you're tired, and, like, can you imagine? Like, where are you and I gonna go to meet our trainer with the super band to treat us like the oxen? It's like zero degrees Outside.
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I don't want to leave the house in zero degrees. I'm not going anywhere.
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Me neither. It's funny because when we were away in the warmth this past weekend, my daughter, she's 14, and I, we were doing in another life, in another body. I used to teach aerobics, so I still have a good abs routine. So we were doing an abs routine together and we're like, let's keep. Let's keep it. We're gonna do it every day, you know, between now and, like, spring break. And we're gonna, like, work on our core. Of course we come back, she's busier than I am. It's like, if you have a full life, it actually is very challenging to work in just the absolute regular work at night. It's just annoying because even today with like the Maha and like the. Everybody's all about longevity, and I just. Sometimes you really just want to kind of say, shut the fuck up. It's very hard.
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It's very hard. And you know what actually did make me feel a little bit better because so many of these people are selling stuff that is. Is unattainable and really impossible. And what they're really selling is aspiration. Like, they're selling the goal, but never really attaining the goal. Finding out that Peter Attia was in the Epstein files, emailing Epstein, like, okay, there's a lot of fraudulence here. A lot.
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Well, I forgive Peter Attia because he outed himself as having been a hot mess earlier in his life in his book. So I think. I don't think it was about Epstein, but I think there was an implicit. Like, I used to be a very fucked up person and it's been. Well, I mean, I do like, Megan,
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those emails and what I forgot about because I think I blacked it out. I've read part of Outlive. I think it's in the introduction. He talks about this. He talks about his wife having delivered their newborn son who was in the NICU fighting for his life.
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Yeah.
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And he wasn't there. She was begging him, will you come and stay in the hospital with me? And he was like, no. What he left out of that introduction was that he was over at Epstein's mansion partying. Like, I personally can't forgive that. Like, I can't.
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I feel like it's not great, but it's between them.
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A
Like, I don't.
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B
It's not just about a bad marriage or, like a problematic marriage. It's about fealty to one's son and one's baby and one's fatherly responsibility is
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A
fighting for his life as a newborn. And you're over at Epstein, who's. Who's abusing children. You're over at that house.
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B
I know.
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A
Like, I cannot square it. Like, I can't.
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B
I'm not. I can't make an excuse for it because I love Peter Attia, and I. And he's been so good to me personally. I really, I. I think he can recover from this. I think he should do, like, one interview or one podcast where he just explains this. And I think people will be quick to forgive him because he's literally trying to help us all live longer. Like, it's like. Like he's not the greatest messenger on, like, how to behave morally, but he does know how to behave in order to extend your life, and he's trying to help people. I think one interview or one podcast on his own where he says, it was worse than I disclosed. And let me tell you everything.
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A
Okay, if I'm gonna. I. I disagree. But here's what I would advise as perhaps a mea culpa in the public square. Lower your fees and treat some people who don't have money.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Stop charging. Or you keep your clients who pay you $200,000 a year for, like, a couple of exams and, you know, some free advice on email. Not free. You're paying for it, but maybe go into an inner city and set up a little medical tent.
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B
Oh, that's a good idea.
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A
I mean, I'm giving the devil idea, so stop me.
- [28:57]
B
That actually is a very good idea. They should all do it. They should. All these outlived or longevity guys should do.
- [29:03]
A
Yeah, they really should. You know, they really should.
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B
They do charge hundreds of thousands of dollars, and no normal human can afford one tenth of that.
- [29:09]
A
You know, on 60 Minutes years ago, when they were actually doing real journalism, there are these. I don't know if they're military ships or they're private ones that charities help pay for, but twice a year, some of the best medical professionals, specialists in any field, whether it's ear specialists or phlebotomists, whatever, will go into the most underserved, underprivileged communities and treat people who could never seek that kind of medical attention.
- [29:39]
B
That's good.
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A
And I love that idea.
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B
You know, even, like, these plastic surgeons who are, like, I go down into, like, Haiti and I fix cleft lips of kids. That's good. But, like, maybe start at home. You know, I'm sure there are actually a lot of Americans who are suffering or kids who have some deformity that their parents are never.
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A
Kids can't afford braces.
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B
Yes.
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A
Stuff like that.
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B
Yes.
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A
That's relatively inexpensive.
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B
I paid for Abby's Invisalign. Megan, it's the same.
- [30:08]
A
I can't believe you just said that.
- [30:10]
B
Same. Okay, let's talk about Hoda Kotb.
- [30:15]
A
Okay.
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B
You're shocked. Shocked to learn she wants back on the Today show. I know.
- [30:19]
A
Do you know that we ambushed her yesterday?
- [30:21]
B
What?
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A
At 30 the Rockefeller Plaza.
- [30:24]
B
Does this hit on the Nerve yet?
- [30:25]
A
Yeah, it aired this morning. Our producer, Marlena, got up really early yesterday with our new hire, Lauren, and they went to 30 Rock with a nerve sign like it was disguised. The front of it said we heart Hoda.
- [30:37]
B
Oh, my gosh.
- [30:38]
A
And then Barlena got next to Hoda and then flipped open at the Nerve, and Hoda was just like, hi.
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C
Hi.
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B
Did she get to ask her anything?
- [30:48]
A
She did not. But we got intel. This is top. We'll share this with you exclusively. It's. The security guard said, oh, you're really excited to meet Hoda Han. Marlene was like, yeah. And he said, yeah. It's a good thing you came. She's at the end of her two week residency.
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B
Oh. Or is she?
- [31:08]
A
I don't know that she's going to be back on the Today show next week in that chair. They might be rotating contenders.
- [31:14]
B
Well, I mean, the report is that she wants back on at least.
- [31:17]
A
Oh, I believe that.
- [31:18]
B
But Maureen, she wanted to be at home with her children.
- [31:20]
A
Megan, she couldn't give you their names, their Social Security numbers, their latest, this school where they're enrolled. She forgot all that a minute. We. We did this thing with. We have this body language expert who comes on who I love. His name is Mark Bowden. And we picked for him Hoda's first day in the chair. And Hoda literally, like, Savannah's mother's been missing for, like, a week at this point. Hoda's like this. With her hands. She's like,
- [31:49]
B
what's that about?
- [31:50]
A
She's like. She's like, chomping at the bit to get going as, like, the new co host of Today.
- [31:55]
B
She's like, like, let me.
- [31:56]
A
Calm yourself down. Calm yourself down. Don't jump out of the chair and don't smile too widely because this is a tragedy.
- [32:01]
B
Yeah, right, right, right. I wrongly left because they wouldn't pay my salary demands, claiming I just wanted to spend more time with my children. This is all according to reports, unconfirmed directly, but believable. And now I've realized I'm miserable. I've spent the past year plus trying to get back on the Today show at every turn, and no matter how I can. Then she launched that unsuccessful podcast, her Joy 101 app. Yes. Which the most recent interview has 1800 views.
- [32:34]
A
It's so grim.
- [32:35]
B
Not even 2000 views, Maureen.
- [32:37]
A
So grim.
- [32:38]
B
That's dark. So of course she's like, I'll be there. I will come. I will co host for Savannah. I will save the day. And if it so happens that I should have to stay, I will make that sacrifice for the team.
- [32:51]
A
Her heart's breaking. It's in a million pieces, you know, and she. In that. In that same first day back, Craig Melvin is sitting next to her, and he is most displeased. He does not want this woman anywhere near him. And she's going. He's like, well, welcome back, Hoda. Welcome back.
- [33:10]
B
Like a bad penny.
- [33:11]
A
Yeah, we can't get rid of you. And she goes, you know, Craig, I'm very happy to be here. And you know why I'm happy to be here? Because we are a family, and I am a part of this family. And this is what family does. They show up for each other. And it's like, try. Just try a little less, Hoda.
- [33:26]
B
Exactly.
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A
Try a little.
- [33:27]
B
So you don't have to even say that if it's true.
- [33:29]
A
Exactly. Do you run around with your family members going, hey, you know what?
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B
We're family.
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A
Member of this family.
- [33:34]
B
Oh, no. Or like, even when you're here, like, the reason we can talk like this, Maureen, is because we're close, because we're friends. We don't have to talk about it.
- [33:41]
A
I said that it would be disgusting.
- [33:43]
B
It would be so weird off putting.
- [33:45]
A
Like, it would be like, they're not friends.
- [33:46]
B
No. They continue to try to do this. And it's. I've been telling the audience these are lies. I can speak to this. Hello. I. I know this for a fact.
- [33:54]
A
Through that crucible.
- [33:55]
B
It's not true. They don't like each other. They're constantly stabbing each other in the back. It wasn't just me. It was me most of all when I was there. But it's not just me. They're all like, it's always a power battle. That's the problem. And actually, my team pulled some examples of this. I think they said it's in. Is it an ascending order? So we have the worst offender last. Let's take a look at what they've put together. I don't know. We're gonna watch thought one, which is Jenna and Savannah. I haven't seen this. We'll watch it together. What about you? Well, same thing we got. Well, actually, now that I'm remembering this, we got married. I also wasn't invited. Okay, well, this weirdest. And she claims we weren't friends, but. No, we were friends, but it was a small wedding. We can't do this again. Okay, go ahead. Okay. Okay. We've never had our kids. I know. I'm not sure. Okay, but look at what's happened. Listen, if we were married today, we both. We would be each other's wives 100%. And we're our kids godmother. So, like, we've done it.
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A
It's done.
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B
Okay.
- [34:49]
A
All right.
- [34:50]
B
There's still some bitterness there about the fact that Jenna wasn't invited to Savannah's wedding. Okay. It's a little awkward to keep bringing it up on the air.
- [34:58]
A
Exactly.
- [34:58]
B
Are you okay here?
- [34:59]
A
I'm having a little bit of a. This. All of this dark energy I think is, wait, getting to me.
- [35:05]
B
Do you want one of my Luden's watermelon cough drops?
- [35:09]
A
You're such a friend.
- [35:11]
B
Those got me through a couple, I don't know, months ago. You guys remember when I was sick after Thanksgiving?
- [35:16]
A
Oh, my God. No, but, like, to sit and be, like, broadcasting to the world. You didn't invite me to your wedding,
- [35:21]
B
and I'm still bitter about it. Savannah was married, like, 10 years ago.
- [35:24]
A
Or more like was long before Jenna got there.
- [35:27]
B
Yeah, like, get over it. Who cares? Apparently not, because she seems upset. All right, here's another one. I don't care about the Chanel one. Let's do Savannah and Hoda. Oh, this is during the 4am ride. This is from Hoda's show, her joyride episode. You think you and I may have talked about this? This is SOT3.
- [35:46]
A
First question.
- [35:47]
B
By the way, I have a question. Why couldn't we have had makeup and
- [35:49]
A
stuff on number one? Where are you right now? In your life?
- [35:55]
B
In the car with you at an ungodly hour. Are there any other questions? I need to be at work, like, soon. Unlike you.
- [36:09]
A
That one's really bad. Excuse me? Because that was one. I think that was Hoda's first.
- [36:14]
B
Yeah, she was the inaugural Savannah.
- [36:17]
A
And you could tell Savannah, like, she wasn't even disguising her contempt for this as it is. She has to get up at 4am for that car ride.
- [36:25]
B
Yes.
- [36:25]
A
And she says at one point, this is an ungodly hour. And Normally, Joy is in scarce supply here, and she. And she's also saying, like, you're in full hair and makeup. I'm not. I'm the one doing the favor here for you.
- [36:40]
B
Well, and the reports are that Savannah did not want Hoda to be anywhere near the first hour of the Today show because Savannah considers herself like a serious journalist, and she considers Hoda the one who used to booze it up with Kathie lee. Oh, the 10 o' clock hour. So it's like, why? Why would she be added in? And that she reportedly fought to keep her off of that hour and make it more about Savannah and Willie Geist. But Willie Geist is very boring, and no one wants to watch him explain Willie Geist.
- [37:10]
A
How does he have such longevity there?
- [37:12]
B
I don't know. They use him over on Morning Joe, and I'm like, this is such a mismatch. You can't put him on Morning Joe where he's as partisan as they are, and then have him flit over to the Today show and ask Today show viewers, some of whom are right leaning to accept him in this neutral role.
- [37:29]
A
Right.
- [37:30]
B
That's just never gonna work. So that's one of their many problems. All right, here's another one. This is Hoda and Savannah again. No, let's play I want to see SOT4. Let's see it quick.
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A
Al makes the best sandwiches.
- [37:43]
B
I mean, at your house.
- [37:45]
A
Come on.
- [37:45]
B
Come on over. He does it every Tuesday.
- [37:47]
C
We're doing it one o'.
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B
Clock. Hey, stop trying to make Tuesday a thing. It's happening. It's already a thing.
- [37:52]
C
Speaking.
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A
Yes.
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B
Okay. That was. Whatever. Not great, but I see it. And now here is Satsix.
- [38:01]
A
Anyway, there's a new trend in weddings, and it's all about micro weddings. Small weddings, tiny weddings. They're growing in popularity because I think people don't want to spend a ton of money on the party. And then afterwards with bills.
- [38:15]
B
I mean, if you look back, like, think about who was at your first wedding.
- [38:19]
C
Why?
- [38:19]
B
I'm sorry. Well, your only wedding. But when you think about it, weren't there some people that you were.
- [38:24]
A
I mean, I did a destination wedding,
- [38:26]
B
so it was small.
- [38:27]
A
Yeah, it wasn't small, but it wasn't huge.
- [38:29]
B
Although I think my parents had a micro wedding, and my dad has a big family. Oh, they did? Yeah. But my mom has a small family. Okay. I mean, they had 30 people.
- [38:37]
A
That's.
- [38:37]
B
That's micro.
- [38:38]
A
I think that's micro.ish. it's 10 to 30.
- [38:40]
B
So they're right there.
- [38:42]
A
Yeah.
- [38:42]
B
Yeah. Well, I mean, I don't know what to ask. Would you like to have a small wedding or a large wedding one day
- [38:50]
A
when that day comes? Yeah, probably a small.
- [38:54]
B
I'm so uncomfortable.
- [38:57]
A
You know, Jenna hates Hoda and Hoda hates Jenna. And I recently just watched because we just did a piece on this. You know how Anna Wintour is dragging her successor, Chloe Mao.
- [39:09]
B
Yes. Big time. That clip is crazy.
- [39:12]
A
It's why. It's like Anna's like, I just want. I'm going to get out of the frame. Like, this woman is a mess, you know, but she.
- [39:17]
B
They gave a joint. They gave a joint interview.
- [39:19]
A
The New York Times style.
- [39:20]
B
The new one's kind of earnest and saying like, what she's worried about. And Anna wins, like, glaring at her like, you're a twit. I can't believe I'm sharing a camera with you.
- [39:29]
A
Also supremely, like a supremely unglamorous twit.
- [39:32]
B
Yes. Right.
- [39:34]
A
And so then Chloe went over by herself like a big girl to today to be interviewed by Jenna Bush Hager.
- [39:41]
B
Oh, boy.
- [39:41]
A
For like a big one on one. And Jenna goes, you know, we have something in common. We're both from famous families.
- [39:48]
B
Oh, God.
- [39:49]
A
So we're looking at two complete charisma vacuums colliding.
- [39:54]
B
Wait, who's the. What is she, a Nepo baby? The girl taking over for Anna Winter.
- [39:58]
A
Chloe's mother is Candice Bergen.
- [40:00]
B
Oh, no way.
- [40:00]
A
And her father is the famed. He's dead now. French Oscar winning director Louis Mal, who you would know. Your child's a similar vintage. He directed Brooke Shields in Pretty Baby
- [40:14]
B
when she was 18. Oh, wow. Perverted. Yeah. Oh, my God. That movie could never fly today. Never completely perved.
- [40:19]
A
Never. But, you know, maybe it explains why Chloe's such a dude. Like, she just wants to be normal.
- [40:24]
B
She does seem very boring.
- [40:25]
A
She's a total dud.
- [40:27]
B
At least Anna Wintour is not boring. You know, you're always wondering what's going on underneath those sunglasses.
- [40:31]
A
I feel like with a fashion editor of that magnitude, you need a big personality and you need a big look to go with it.
- [40:39]
B
Yeah.
- [40:39]
A
You know, like, you think of like the Diana Vreelands of the world. Like, that's what you want.
- [40:43]
B
You and I look better than she looked in that little interview.
- [40:45]
A
You and I could edit Vogue.
- [40:46]
B
Oh, I think it would be a much bigger success, actually.
- [40:49]
A
It absolutely would be.
- [40:51]
B
We would know who to profile and we certainly wouldn't begin a profile of Gavin Newsom with the nonsense that they Just did. Which sounded like a fawning teenager spending time with the prom king. It was humiliating what they wrote about him. His hairline and. God, what were some of the adjectives? It was so painful. I could barely get through. I read some of it to JD Vance. We both agreed he will not get that treatment when he sits with vogue.
- [41:13]
A
Well, if J.D. ever gets to sit with Vogue.
- [41:15]
B
Yeah, exactly.
- [41:16]
A
Or his wife. They'll never get to sit with Vogue.
- [41:18]
B
Exactly. Meanwhile, Usha Vance is stunning. I mean, she was. And she's a brown person, so Vogue's supposed to love that. But not when you're married to jd.
- [41:27]
A
No, but so. Exactly. So the wife of the new mayor of New York City, Mamdami, who has just distinguished himself by racking up, like, 20 deaths in the most recent snowstorm.
- [41:37]
B
Yeah, they're just homeless, Maureen. That's all it actually makes me think.
- [41:41]
A
It makes me wonder, do people of that ilk who adhere to this belief system of, like, communal communism, Right. Everybody gets the same. Are these people really considered expendable? Yes, in that way. Because they don't contribute anything.
- [41:56]
B
In the same way that die.
- [41:58]
A
Who gives a shit?
- [41:58]
B
In the same way. The tolerant left is the most intolerant group in America. Name me a conservative who has canceled a friendship over politics. It doesn't happen.
- [42:09]
A
So true.
- [42:09]
B
It is the left that cancels, the right that decides. You're too far gone. You're beyond the pale. Because you vote Republican, because you're a Trump supporter. They hold your politics against you. It only goes one way.
- [42:20]
A
I gotta tell you something. I just found this out recently, and the friend of mine who told me will not, I don't think, be upset by this. I found out that someone on the outer ring of my social circle, who I thought was. Who's always sort of pleasant to my face, said to this person we both know, how can you be friends with Maureen? She's a fascist.
- [42:43]
B
A fascist.
- [42:45]
A
She's a fascist.
- [42:46]
B
Just.
- [42:46]
A
I guess, I don't know. Because of where I work or because I come on your show or I work for you. I have no idea. Yeah, but I. I just laughed out loud when I heard it because clearly I think this person really believes it.
- [43:00]
B
Right?
- [43:00]
A
And like, that's so stupid.
- [43:02]
B
Yes, stupid, but so fun when you realize how dumb certain people you know, who have been in your life are that you didn't know. Like, it's a big reveal. Like, wow, okay. But it's just so funny. I would never hold a friend's politics against her. I don't Care who you vote for. I really don't. Could not care less, actually. If you. If you wanna ask me about my thoughts on politics or whatever, that's. I'll tell you. Obviously, I do that for a living. And I'll listen to yours, too. I'm not offended by somebody else being a liberal or voting for Kamala. You know, it's not something I would do, but I'm not offended by it. It's only the left. It's just they're so intolerant. They're so hypocritical. All right, let's keep going. Have you been following the Nancy Guthrie, Nancy Rene Ramsey?
- [43:45]
A
Little bit. A lot. A lot.
- [43:47]
B
Okay. Trump weighed in again.
- [43:51]
A
Oh, yeah.
- [43:52]
B
I mean, two weeks ago, he was saying, like, we've got it solved and that.
- [43:56]
A
Well, he did say. He said, I think some good things are about to happen. And that was the day before Cash Patel released that video.
- [44:03]
B
It's ambiguous, if I'm being honest. He said it on a Friday night and Cash Patel released the stuff on a Tuesday. Okay. And there were reports that the FBI had just found it day or on Monday, and they released it immediately. So I. To this moment, I don't totally know if that's what Trump was talking about. I think it is. I feel like they probably did have it and he knew. Or maybe they at least stumbled upon it at Google and they had told the President. That's plausible to me because Trump doesn't. He actually doesn't, unlike what the left says about him, run out there and say shit that he doesn't. He can't back up. But now that's why I'm more bummed about his current messaging, which does not sound hopeful. He got asked again on Air Force One this time. I think the last time, too, was by Peter Doocy about, like, what do you think on the Nancy Guthrie case? And this is where Trump went with it yesterday. Here it is. Sat 7.
- [44:51]
C
Based on what you've been told, what do you think happened to Savannah Guthrie's mom, Nancy?
- [44:55]
B
Boy, it's so, so crazy.
- [44:58]
A
It's so bad.
- [45:00]
B
I didn't like when they were talking about going after the pacemaker and, you know, before they even started going after it, they're coming and reporting it. So if in fact they could do it, that the person would say, well, I'm not going to let that happen. Right. So bad things would happen if he's not going to let that happen. I can't imagine why they would have done that. It's just in terms of strategies. One middle piece.
- [45:22]
A
I don't know. But we have to start reporting on other subjects also.
- [45:27]
B
See what happens. It's a very sad situation that doesn't sound so hopeful. Maureen doesn't sound like a man who just got good news from Cash Patel about where the investigation is. Is.
- [45:37]
A
I've been thinking about this a lot because I've really loathed this sheriff since day one. And I just wish there were. I don't know what the mechanism would be to just remove him and the sheriff's office and just let the FBI run a point on this, please. And contain the messaging because he's no longer giving pressers. But any outlet that asks, he will talk to you. And I was listening to your show this morning about. About the amount of times he, like, weeps.
- [46:07]
B
Yeah. Or tries to.
- [46:08]
A
Or tries to. And there's like this weird inversion of, like, his level of competence. Like, he doesn't.
- [46:16]
B
He.
- [46:16]
A
He won't realize how incompetent he truly is and his love of media attention. And anybody who had an iota of self awareness would know. Well, I'm. I'm in way over my head on this one. I should run from the media. I should let the FBI deal with this messaging because Trump just said something really smart there. They said, we're now looking for the pacemaker. So whoever did this is gonna go retrieve that pacemaker and destroy that pacemaker. So strategically, that's pretty idiotic.
- [46:45]
B
Yeah, If Nancy's been killed. Exactly. That's.
- [46:47]
A
But is it possible that the pacemaker still emits even if the person is dead? So there's.
- [46:53]
B
Yes, it does. Not only is it possible, it's probable.
- [46:56]
A
That's.
- [46:56]
B
They say they do that. That's what normally happens. It would continue emitting. It just won't be communicating with the iPhone because unless the iPhone's within 30ft of it. But yeah, it's still sending out a signal. And if you get close enough, you can potentially detect it. But his point is a good one, which basically, why do we know this? If we're trying to find someone who's in the custody we presume of a bad man, why are we telegraphing to the bad man what we're doing?
- [47:24]
A
Here's what we're looking for. So you can go hide it.
- [47:26]
B
Yes.
- [47:27]
A
You know, I feel so terrible for Savannah Guthrie and her family because I remember when my dad died, I didn't want to go over to stay with him until first responders got there. But I went and met my brother at the funeral home and I remember the first question I said to the funeral director was, where is he? And it shocked me. I never thought I would think that way about someone I loved who was dead. I should know, logically. They came and they took him away and they brought him to the funeral home. And she said, oh, he's here. He's in the other room. And that was a key thing I needed to hear so that I could begin really grieving properly. And I fundamentally understood in my bones in that moment why the families of the missing and the dead spend their entire lives trying to find the remains.
- [48:21]
B
It's torturous. I mean, they may never know. And it's sad because, like, the news cycle around the story is drying up, clearly, because the police are either running out of leads or have finally decided to stop sharing them. And when that happens, the media does disappear. That's natural. That's the way news works. And when the media disappears, so does the pressure on the police. There will no longer be 400 law enforcement officers on this case when the media packs up and leaves Tuesday on, there will not. And so for all this like this, once again, this local congresswoman, she's a. An Arizona state representative who continues every day to shame the media for covering this case.
- [49:00]
A
What?
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B
She's very mad at the influencers who say whatever they want. You know what? All you need to be saying is thank you. Thanks for being here and calling attention to the Nancy Guthrie case. Thanks to all those influencers you're shitting on. She's a household name. Name. Okay, like, it's. It's not because NBC does one report a day on the Today show on Nancy Guthrie, and their ratings are a shadow of what they used to be. Their show is actually not that well watched. It's the collective that's making her a ubiquitous household name.
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A
Yeah.
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B
And what we don't need is to shame the media who's now feeling like, do they even want us here? Like, maybe we should peace out of here? Like, when there's no longer any reason to and they're not getting daily news, updates, dates, they will leave. And then they're going to be really sorry.
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A
They will leave. And the other thing that's so key about this is the more the. The outlets that regard themselves as more August and above this kind of reportage, you know, the New York Times, et cetera, the way they covered this story or covered it, I don't think they're covering it as assiduously anymore, is why is the media so obsessed? You know, they turn it into a meta story and they remove the actual heart of the story, which is that a woman who is the mother of a very famous person in America was abducted from her bed in the dead of night. And it's terrifying. And nobody has a lead. And instead it's like what? What's wrong in the American psyche? What's wrong with all the little minds out there?
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B
And then you know what comes right after that?
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A
What?
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B
Why don't they do this for black people?
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A
Oh right.
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B
That's the next thing is they only do this for a privileged white lady who lives in Tucson.
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A
It's like on stolen land.
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B
Let me tell you right now that, that I don't know if Hoda's mom is still alive. But if Hoda Kotb's mom, God forbid something like this happened to her, they'd cover it just as much.
- [50:44]
A
Holy shit. You know what? So I was talking to Rob Shooter the other day and he had this amazing report that Don Lamond took out extra security for his mother.
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B
Nobody wants Don's mother.
- [50:55]
A
No, but he wants people to want. Excuse me. He wants people to want his mother so that he can get this kind of media coverage.
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B
Did I tell you? So I talked to my mom about security. I'm like, like mom, just FYI and I let her know a couple of things and I did worry that she might be a little worried. And she found out that we were going to be taking a look at her and she was so excited. She was like I can tell all my friends she wants to be in danger. She wants like she. It's like haha. People want to get me but they don't. It's not true. It's just my mom. She's very funny. Gotta love Linda. All right, stand by. We have so much more to get to and we will. Lets talk about real health armor. Especially if you're done with the dye filled toxin heavy stuff lining store shelves. Beekeeper's Naturals can be your clean, no compromise line of defense. Start your day with their Propolis Throat spray. A concentrated hit of antioxidants that keeps your immune system fortified. They say one spritz and you are protected. No synthetic fog, just pure bee powered protection. Are you experiencing a scratchy throat from winter air or crowded plants? Grab the Propolis Throat soother. Pair it with their Propolis nasal spray to rinse, hydrate and eliminate germs on contact. Today Beekeepers Naturals is giving you an exclusive offer. Go to beekeepersnaturals.com Megan or enter code Megan to get 20% off your order. That's beekeepersnaturals.com megan. Or enter the code Megan when you check out beekeepersnaturals.com, megan. Or enter code Megan at checkout. Beekeepers naturals products are also available at Target, Whole Foods, Walmart, Amazon, CVS, and Walgreens. Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly Show. Maureen Callahan is back with me. She's the host of the Nerve. Go find it@thenerveshow.com and on YouTube and all podcast platforms. It's a huge hit. That's what you need to know. I get stopped all the time about you, Maureen. Tons of people, and they're like, you know what I love? I love the Nerve with Maureen Gallahan.
- [52:53]
A
Oh, I love hearing that. Thank you.
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B
It's. It's male and female. It's amazing. Like, it has, I think, equal appeal, as does the Megyn Kelly Show.
- [53:01]
A
That's crazy.
- [53:02]
B
Equal appeal to men and women.
- [53:03]
A
I love that.
- [53:04]
B
Very hard to do.
- [53:05]
A
Is it?
- [53:05]
B
Yeah, it is. It is. Because I think, like, the Today show is obviously just going for women.
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A
Right?
- [53:10]
B
Right. A lot of the manosphere podcasts, they just want men.
- [53:13]
A
Right.
- [53:13]
B
It's hard to find an audience that's almost equal. You know, it's like 55, 45, what have you. And so, hats off to you, madam.
- [53:19]
A
Well, thanks, Megan. My favorite emails come from men who make sure to identify themselves as super straight. Great. Really tough guys. They love lots of hot heterosexual sex. They also love to shit talk. Meghan Markle. I got one from a welder the other day.
- [53:33]
B
No way.
- [53:33]
A
He was like, yeah, like, I'm in the shop all the time. I used to catch a ton of for listening to your show. And then one day I was like, you got to come over here and hear what the nervous thing about Meghan Markle. And they were, like, all into it.
- [53:43]
B
Oh, don't mind if we do.
- [53:44]
A
Mind if I do.
- [53:45]
B
Well, it's funny you should mention her, because I do have something queued up for you. She recently attended an NBA game, and because she doesn't really like publicity, she sat courtside with Harry and had to nudge him to smile for the camera. We've actually gone so far as to slow it down to slow mo so that we can be sure we zero in. Let us see. Here she is. Oh, hi, hi, hi. There you are, rubbing the arm. Give your photo up. So, Maureen, there it is. There's the slow mo. Oh, yeah, you can't miss the darling. This is the whole reason we're here. That's really what she's saying there. Look into the damn camera and get me my shot. If you're not looking, then they're not looking at me.
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A
So there's a couple of things about that. This is what Mark Bowden calls trophy behavior. So in doing this, Megan is showing off her trophy and she's trying to animate the trophy to make sure that we're communicating that the trophy is as much in love with me as I am with him.
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B
Oh, that makes sense.
- [54:57]
A
And then when you slow it down and you look at the minute he looks straight at the camera, it's a micro pause. But his eyes look like he could kill. He looks. He doesn't want to be there, and he doesn't want to be engaging with the media that they ran away from running for their lives.
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B
That I think he genuinely hates.
- [55:19]
A
Oh, I do too.
- [55:20]
B
But she doesn't.
- [55:21]
A
Oh, no, she loves it. And you know, the other thing is, like, you go, those seats are very coveted, even among celebrities. Very expensive port side seats. And if you go, you go to play. Like, you got like, we see it in New York City at the Knicks games all the time. Like, Spike Lee is, like, practically like a fixture. There has been forever, even the most recalcitrant, cranky celebs who she is next to Queen Latifah.
- [55:45]
B
Fy.
- [55:46]
A
Okay, so do you think that was like, whoever does the seating for those games effing with her a little bit subversive? Here's a queen.
- [55:53]
B
The queen next to the Duchess Latifah. She's higher than you.
- [55:57]
A
She's high. She's higher than you. And she's. She's more well liked than you. And she had a hit show for a very long time.
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B
Yeah.
- [56:03]
A
And then the other thing I thought was interesting about that game was the Obamas were there.
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B
Oh, God.
- [56:08]
A
And it seemed to me like, oh, this is. Is this the night where, like, high profile couples who have divorce rumblings swirling all around them go to show the world that, like, everything's cool?
- [56:18]
B
Yeah, it could have been. I'm not buying it, but it really is a joke. Like, honestly, it's the old, the South Park. We want privacy. We want privacy. Front row, courtside, you know, so, like, I can, I have. I go to Knicks games with my family. I took my young guy, my 12 year old, just the two of us, and it was super fun. We went as like a mom Sunday date. We didn't sit there. I could have bought those tickets. I could have made sure we got seen courtside I didn't do that because I was going to watch a basketball game with my child. I wasn't going for a photo op. Which clearly she was. She doesn't care about basketball. She wanted to be seen and she. This is still. They're in court right now suing the Daily Mail in the UK about, like, yet another piece of coverage that they thought was unfair to poor, mean Harry and Meghan. You know, like, poor, mean Daily Mail going after these. These poor, you know, losers who just want to be left alone. Bullshit.
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A
He was on the stand, by the way, in that courtroom, crying, like, weeping, or trying to weep on the stand about the misery that the media has caused his wife. And the judge in the case had to remonstrate him several times and say, excuse me, sir, this is a courtroom. It is not about your emotions.
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B
It's not Oprah.
- [57:34]
A
Pull yourself together and speak to the matter at hand. That is it. So you. It cannot be both, right?
- [57:41]
B
No, it cannot be both that this is exactly right. If you put yourself out into the public sphere as a public figure, you know, in any prominent way, there's a number of ways that you can become a public figure and be out there. You have to accept that this is part of the deal. It's not nice, it's not pleasant. I mean, honestly, I was laughing. Abby and I were looking at this recently about. I'm like, in the past few years, I've been called a racist, a transphobe, a bigot, an Islamophobe, a pro pedophile. Now it's anti Semite. Like, none of this is pleasant. None of it is true. And you really do have to know who you are, you know, to be able to handle this. And I think that's part of the problem with this woman. Woman. She doesn't know who she is exactly. At all. She's playing a role, and she has been from the start. Especially with Harry. Exactly. So she can't take the negative coverage, which is why they continue suing and suing and suing. And even in that court proceeding, he was talking about how, like, my wife was treated abominably by the British press corps. Oh, my God. They made her an international star. They loved her in the beginning. You only started to get upset when she started to behave badly, and they wrote about that, too.
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A
The thing about Megan, to your point, about not knowing who she is, so, like, all the things you were just describing are unpleasant, but I'm sure they don't land with you. I'm sure it's like Elizabeth Taylor once said about Joan Rivers, doesn't hit me where I live, not who I am. Yeah, I know that. I think her problem is she thought that this level of fame and a power marriage like this, this would fill the hole. But nothing's going to fill that hole. It's an unfill. It's a black hole because it's a. It's a black hole of identity inside, right?
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B
And it. And interestingly, in her case, it doesn't have to do. I don't think she has like man issues. She has self esteem issues. Like the women who have man issues have dads who were not around or who left their moms or who. Serial cheaters on the moms, right? They don't know how to be treated. They don't know how to like, demand good treatment usually. And then I'm generalizing. That's not her thing. Her thing is I need to be built up into something I'm not. Whatever I am is not good enough in her head. This is how she feels. And so she's got to land the prince. And she's got to have the right cover of the right magazine. She's gotta be called Duchess even when she's the only one in the house. Maureen, she's gotta be courtside. She's gotta be, gotta be as ever. And with the beekeeper, right, like all of it has to be curated to perfection or we're all gonna see behind the veil that she's just like the rest of us, imperfect as hell, but relatively fine.
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A
Well, you know, there are parallels here with Carolyn Bessette Kennedy, who I think we're going to get to. But one of the things about Megan also that is such a tell for me is that whenever she's interacting with another person who's not really, it's not Harry, but it'll be somebody else, whether it's a friend, an employee, a handler, whatever. She does this thing constantly that is so off putting. And it's a power move. She pets them.
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B
I was picturing that in my mind while you were winding up.
- [60:59]
A
She pets them, she takes her hand, she brings it over them, and then it goes somewhere on like the back or the shoulder or the arm where the other person can't even get to it to be like, get off, get off. You know?
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B
Oh, she does it in this video at Canadian Debbie tells me. Oh, she's got the sachet going. Oh, here I am. Okay, keep going.
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A
And then she gets to the red carpet or the blue carpet, you'll see. And this Handler is attempting to arrange this completely unruly, dated old person's train. This. This gown is so dated.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like, she can't even. Like, no decent stylist will work with her. You can tell, right?
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B
They don't want anything.
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A
This thing looks like an 80s prom dress to me.
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B
It does.
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A
And look at her, like, flaunting the. Look at all of my train. You know? This wasn't even her night. This is Tina Knowles night. This is Beyonce's mother's night. This is apparently also another gala she invited herself to. She wasn't on the list. She wasn't on the program. She wasn't among the honorees or the distinguished guests.
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B
This is what I object to. I object to obvious attempts to be fabulous. It's one thing to be fabulous, right? It really is.
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A
Yes.
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B
And you just are.
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A
Yes.
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B
And it's quite another one. I can see you're trying. It's a turn off. Not for nothing, but back to that sheriff out in the Tucson Ramsey case. I'm sorry. It's just so funny. I love that guy. He's like, sorry, forgive me. We have to laugh where we can. Melissa Francis, you know, she's a friend of mine from Fox News. And she's. She was. She's formerly a big child star. She was on Little House on the Prairie. Really? She and Jason Bateman played the Ingalls second round of children when the originals grew up. Oh, and she was little Cassandra Ingalls.
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A
Okay.
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B
And Jason Bateman was her brother.
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A
And.
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B
And she could cry on a dime like nobody's business. Actual tears. Hold on a second. I gotta pull this up. I don't think Melissa would care if I read this, but we were texting about it this morning about that. She had watched the sheriff segment and she. She liked it. And she was saying. She said, love the comments on the crying investigator. Take it from a world champion. What did I tell my son? Her. Her son tried to, like, pretend cry or over not getting something when he was young. And she was like. Like, I expect more than this. She says, there's no water on your face. I'm not. It's very hard to believe you when there's no water. She says it's very hard to truly cry without water. This is why they paid me so much. She said, this is why my daughter's going to be a star. She's like. She goes, do you make crying face and crying voice? That's easy. But does water fall out of your eyes onto your cheeks? That is the test of truth. And she says, I have not seen liquid with that man Love, the number one expert. That's amazing. But she's right.
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A
She's absolutely right. And what I have read is the acting trick to being a convincing crier is that when people are about to cry almost every moment, like, you're trying not to.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Especially if you're in public. You can see the face, try to suppress everything and push it back. And actually, the act of doing that kind of makes you cry more.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Because you're beginning to feel bad for yourself. Oh.
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B
And God forbid somebody feel bad for you in that moment.
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A
Oh, 100. It's the last thing you want.
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B
You're done.
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A
Last thing you want. So. Yeah. He's the worst. She's the worst.
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B
I have a. I have a tell before I cry.
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A
Oh, what is it?
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B
I've had it since I was. My whole life. I get this involuntary, huge frown.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
The sides of my mouth go like.
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A
Oh, yeah.
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B
Down far.
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A
Same.
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B
I mean, you can't really Botox this region, so it's. You can see everything. It goes down. It goes down hard. Maureen.
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A
That's. It makes us human. We want to stay human. We don't want to have, like, the frozen visage.
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B
I really, genuinely do not. But in any event, yeah, some of us have that tell. It's funny. Do you ever watch Modern Family?
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C
No.
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A
I know. It's great.
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B
I love modern day. My whole family loves it. But Claire Dunphy, she's got. She's got one of those styles where whenever she talks about somebody dying, she. She bursts out into, like, a weird smile.
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A
I love it.
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B
I can relate to that, too. Sometimes when I'm talking about very dark news, like, I. I'll have a comp. A. A compunction to smile or even, like, laugh. It must be in the brain located right next to cry or, like, emote, you know? And so. And, like, the signal gets crossed.
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A
My very first wake was. I was young. I was maybe 8 years old. I was too young to be at a wake, but that's the Irish for you.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And, you know, we love an open casket.
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B
We love it.
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A
And so it was my first time seeing a dead body and experiencing, like, this very. To a small child, it's a very strange ritual.
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B
Yeah.
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A
And I remember having a laughing fit at the wake, like. And I couldn't stop it. And I. I felt terrible, and I knew it was wrong, but it was, like, this involuntary physiological reaction. And when we got back, like, I remember my parents just defending me. And I love them for It. And they were like, she's a child and this is a lot. And death is, is, is an enormous concept for a small child. Of course she had this weird reaction. You know, not everybody's gonna cry and do everything on cue. I actually remember what caused the, the, the laughing fit. It was because we had these distant cousins who were not very attractive who upon seeing my very handsome teenage male relatives come in, made a beeline for them like it was a singles bar. That's what made me laugh. I was like, you're out of way.
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B
You are the same. Even at eight years old, you were onto them. All right. Now, speaking of eight year old girls, let's talk about Prince Andrew. Sorry, sorry, transition. He. That whole thing yesterday with him getting arrested is crazy.
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A
It is.
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B
Did you see the picture of him when he got out of the pokey yesterday? I could not believe it was real.
- [66:48]
A
Same.
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B
Holy shit. He looks there. We're putting it on. Terrified. That looks like something like he posed for in order to make himself look like it's worth. But he didn't. They just captured that in the moment. Moment. That guy doesn't know what hit him. The headline is now he's sweating because among other lies he told that BBC interviewer seven years ago was that he, Virginia Duffrey, his accuser, said that she was sweating all over the place. And he said, I can't sweat. I remember actually we have that. Let's watch that. Let's watch him talk about how he can't sweat. This is in 2019 to the BBC side 11. She was very specific about that night. She described dancing with you and you profusely sweating and that she went on to have baths possibly.
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C
There's a slight problem with the sweating because I have a peculiar medical condition
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B
which is that I don't sweat or
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A
I didn't sweat at the time.
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B
And that was.
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A
Oh, actually, yes, I didn't sweat at the time because I had suffered what I would describe as an overdose of adrenaline in the Falklands War when I was shot at. And I simply. It was almost impossible for me to sweat. And it's only because I have done a number of things in the recent past that I'm starting to be able
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C
to do that again.
- [68:15]
A
So I'm afraid to say that there's a medical condition that says that I didn't do it.
- [68:20]
B
Oh my God, Maureen, you forget how bad that was.
- [68:23]
A
It was so bad. They made a movie out of it. They did. I think it's on Netflix.
- [68:29]
B
It was so bad. The answer is I'VE never met her. I certainly didn't have sex with her. She. Great, Great. It's not. I have a condition based on my adrenaline.
- [68:42]
A
The fog is war. Have you ever heard of such a thing? You've interviewed your fair share of combat veterans.
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B
You lose the ability to switch. No, I know. The free solo guy lost adrenaline and now he has to go free soloing in order to feel excitement. I don't think that's what he was saying. From the sound of it, Prince Andrew feels excitement just fine from the sound of it.
- [69:01]
A
And then at the end of yesterday, there were even more disturbing photos that broke. We had them on the Daily Mail
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B
from the, from the Epstein files.
- [69:08]
A
And this is. Now, this is how you know it's really bad, because we can look at an image of Andrew seated on a sofa next to a toddler and our minds go to the absolute worst place.
- [69:16]
B
That's sick.
- [69:17]
A
They go to the absolute worst place. And I. I don't think King Charles is going to survive this.
- [69:22]
B
That's what Dan Wootton said. That's what Piers Morgan said. Like, I trust those guys. They. They not only are, you know, a very famous British journalist. Well, Dan's an Aussie, but he's been living in Great Britain. But they, they covered the royals. That was their beat for many years. Like, they have very good sources inside. And neither one thinks that King Charles is going to survive this. Holy cow.
- [69:44]
A
I think he'll be gone within six months. I think that the official line will be, it's due to his health. He'll use that.
- [69:52]
B
Yep.
- [69:53]
A
And William will ascend to the throne, which is what the British people want, frankly, what every sane person wants.
- [70:00]
B
Yes.
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A
And he will begin to clean house.
- [70:03]
B
Yeah.
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A
And save the monarchy. Because without. If King. If the King does not abdicate, I think, think the monarchy is in existential danger of, Of. Of going away forever.
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B
Because Dan was pointing out that King. King Charles, when he was Prince Charles, his fingerprints were all over that Epstein settlement, that this, that the Queen signed off on to make Virginia Giuffre go away. Though I have to say this, I actually believe, like, I do believe that Jeffrey Epstein trafficked Virginia Giuffre. I do believe that. And I do think he trafficked her to Andrew. I actually do believe her allegations against him. He's just been too much of a liar, like. And it's so obvious. And the picture. He lied that the pict fake and the picture turned out to be real. He was with her, clearly, when she was underage. She was 17 in that picture. Now, in the Epstein documents, you see an email from a New York Times reporter saying to Jeffrey, who is worried about his own reputation because of his association with Andrew, saying, you don't have anything to worry about. Like, you know, you weren't there. Look, they had consensual sex. You should distance yourself from it. And Andrew didn't write back like, no, they didn't have sex. That's not true. Right. Sorry, Jeffrey. Jeffrey didn't write back saying that. So. So. But having said all that, Virginia Giuffre is like an enormous liar, God rest her. She lied about so many things. I went back and did a deep, deep dive on this when she accused Dershowitz, and she wound up getting rid of that case by saying she may have misremembered in her accusation against him. Meanwhile, Alan was like, look at every date book.
- [71:28]
A
Right.
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B
Look at every record I ever had. That's what a truth teller sounds like. And he sued everybody for defamation. Like, it's on you fucking. There's. I am not that person. And I didn't do the thing. And I only ever had sex with my wife. Like he said, what a truth teller. As, as Phil Houston says, in spite of the lie, truth tellers run toward the truth.
- [71:46]
A
Yes.
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B
They're not afraid to say, like, I've had sex with this number of people. It was in college and then when I got married. And nobody ever, ever after. They, they'll like, I'll go right to the details. Yeah, I'll give it all to you.
- [71:57]
A
Yeah.
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B
Anyway, so it's just hard because I don't know what he's being brought down for, allegedly. For passing on documents. We'll see. Or is it really because they couldn't quite on the sex trafficking stuff?
- [72:09]
A
Well, you know, I find that the formal charge is the first one. And you know, they rated, I believe, three of the palaces and residences that he has been in and that Fergie has been in. The Virginia Giuffre stuff I struggle with because the girls and women that wind up getting trafficked and brought into this world are already extremely damaged.
- [72:31]
B
That's the reason they're chaos.
- [72:33]
A
Drugs and alcohol and all manner of torture. And, you know, memory is a fungible, fallible thing, you know, and the I, I would, I would put her testimony about Andrew well above anything Andrew tried to claim did or did not happen. Yeah, we covered. So I was doing a bunch of research about this yesterday, and there was an FBI file from 2020 that's in this Andrew dump that claims. And this is very Very, very dark stuff. That Andrew witnessed the torture of a young girl, age 6 to 8, who was strapped to a table and tortured with electrical shocks. And that Ghislaine Maxwell was the one who administered them. And there was a second.
- [73:19]
B
Is that that FBI thing that like anybody could say anything that they released, it was like all unsubstantiated.
- [73:26]
A
No, this one had locations. This one said there was one.
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B
There's no way that's true.
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A
You don't believe that.
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B
No, I don't.
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A
I am open to believing it, and I'll tell you why. These people, someone like Andrew, who is just an aimless, shiftless layabout, who's a beta royal, who has nothing to do, who can get any. Any sort of pleasure he wants at a certain point. Your dopamine receptors, it doesn't matter. You know, he could have sex with eight women at once. Doesn't matter.
- [73:56]
B
Yeah, you need. That's true. That's what happens to people who get addicted to porn.
- [73:59]
A
Well, that's what that. That was always my first question when. Before I really began to get into this kind of research about Harvey Weinstein. Well, Harvey Weinstein had an enormous amount of power. Why rape? Right? Yeah, Just use the casting couch. It's transactional. It's been done forever. And it was a male friend of mine who said to me, at a certain point, your dopamine receptors. Great guy. Not like this. The dopamine receptors, it just doesn't matter anymore. You need to up the ante. It has to be about power and control.
- [74:27]
B
I think that's a factor with Harvey. But the other factor is something happened to him when he was young that made him need to feel dirty.
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A
Andrew, you mean?
- [74:38]
B
Yeah, Harvey Weinstein.
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A
Oh, Harvey.
- [74:40]
B
In the middle of the act. That's why Lauren Savant, who worked with me at Fox, who came on my NBC show and was the very first person to go on the record about Harvey, like on television, telling the story. She told the story about how they were at Cipriani in New York. Cipriani?
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A
Yeah, yeah.
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B
And she didn't know him. And she met him, you know, was there. This is before he was exposed and all that, so to speak. She got up to go to the bathroom. He followed her into this corridor leading to the ladies room room. And he starts. He's like, hey, Lauren. She kind of turns around and he starts talking to her. And he whips it out and starts playing with himself. And she froze. She totally froze. She's like, what the hell is happening? Like. And he jerked off into a potted plant right there in the hallway. And I talked to a psychiatrist about this on the show, you know, at the time. Like, who does that? And she said it's the, the dirtiness of it. Like, he needs to feel like he's a disgusting pervert in order to get off. Off. Well, we took a turn there.
- [75:42]
A
But yeah, no, I'm just, I'm absorbing it all. Because the other thing that I remember, I. The, the potted plant was a character in that trial. They could have had the potted plant testify. You know what I mean? And we all felt sorry for it.
- [75:56]
B
I know. You know, why did the plant have
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A
to get it, like, dirty Harvey's dirty expectorations out of there. But the other thing about Harvey that so many of the women testified to and which was a puzzle piece for me is that apparently his genitalia is very small and malformed.
- [76:13]
B
Oh, God.
- [76:14]
A
And so, you know, do you think, like a beautiful woman, like a Georgina Chapman is really in that for the love of Harvey Weinstein?
- [76:23]
B
I'm truly like one of the most beautiful people roaming the earth?
- [76:26]
A
No. No. So he knows that already. Like, he knows this person is, you know.
- [76:31]
B
Well, speaking of her, I started the show, we did a deep dive on Epstein on. Was it Tuesday or Wednesday? I think Wednesday. And I, I said, look, you got to distinguish between a gold digger and a sex trafficking victim. And the difference is for, for fraud, force, or coercion that exists in a sex trafficking case and not in a gold digging case. Georgina Chapman, in my view, is a gold digger. Like, there's zero reason for somebody like that. I, I don't believe she was attracted to Harvey Weinstein. I don't believe they just fell in love. She married him because he was this huge, powerful guy with tons of money who could create opportunities for her, which he did.
- [77:08]
A
Did.
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B
And because he could give her a certain lifestyle. There are a lot of women who do that. It's not sex trafficking. And then the Epstein case. Each person has to be evaluated. We're never going to get this chance because he's dead. But, like, there could be gold diggers in this massive field of alleged victims who, like, they fully knew what they were getting themselves into and just wanted the access. It was like the calling card. I got to give it up to a couple of random stranger friends of Jeffries, and in exchange for that, he's going to introduce me to some powerful people who might marry me or might give me a modeling job. And then there's the other younger damage set who are made promises by Jeffrey of like, you're gonna have this, you're gonna have the other thing. And possibly threatened by Jeffrey if they didn't go through with it in an ongoing way once they got here. Now you're talking possible fraud force or coercion, sex trafficking.
- [77:56]
A
Yes. And I think in the middle of that Venn diagram is someone like Cassie Massey from the Diddy trial.
- [78:02]
B
Yep. Yep.
- [78:03]
A
Who you could say was both.
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B
Yes.
- [78:06]
A
Right. But at the end of the day, for me, the scales of justice. I look at the video of Sean Combs beating the. Out of her and she's a victim. That's it.
- [78:14]
B
I know. That's why it was so amazing that jury didn't think fraud, force or coercion was present in that case. It's literally on tape. Like, you don't actually even have to believe the hair. Yeah.
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A
Back into that hotel room.
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B
Third party's testifying that he beat the shit out of her in the back room room to make her go out there and continue the freak off. But because she had said once she had consented earlier in the relationship or even at the beginning of the session, consent can be withdrawn.
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A
Absolutely.
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B
They, they, they saw her in the gold digger category, and that's why he wasn't convicted of sex trafficking. Well, I don't. I don't like Andrew's chances right now. I think the British public can't stand him. And. And here's the other thing back on whether. Cause he's, you know, it's like the. Everybody said, it's more like the Al Capone thing. They're getting him on the taxes, not on the actual other crimes alleged. Why would King Charles have offered him up on a silver platter, which he clearly did, making that statement, like in stripping him of his prince title, you know?
- [79:08]
A
Right, right.
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B
Was it earlier this year, which was basically saying, have Adam. I'm not gonna protect him. If you want to get him, you can get him. He knows. He knows there's more. Whatever bodies are buried, he knows.
- [79:21]
A
He knows. And so do many of the current and former staff at Buckingham Palace. Dallas. Who let Ghislaine Maxwell. I can't believe I have to freaking think about how to pronounce her name correctly. She's such a piece of shit. Ghislaine Maxwell and Kevin Spacey into Buckingham palace to sit on literal thrones and photograph it. Like, a lot. I was saying this the other day. It makes me think of the JFK White House and all of the Secret Service who were disgusted, but they had to do it because it was their job, bringing all these women and girls in and out and in and out.
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B
Every.
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A
It was. It's a huge apparatus. And Charles knows that the very. That the monarchy itself is at a level of threat it's never faced before. Because if they start really digging. And that's. So that's the real question I have. How far does law enforcement really dig? Right. Do they go to a certain point and make a deal and let Andrew get. Get away with a certain amount of time?
- [80:17]
B
Dan was saying they don't really do deals over there.
- [80:19]
A
Really?
- [80:20]
B
Yeah. Dan was saying it's. The general practice is like, you're convicted or you're not.
- [80:26]
C
Wow.
- [80:26]
B
Yeah. Like, you could plead guilty at the beginning, but like he said, it's not really like our justice system. I've never looked into it as a solicitor or a barrister, but we'll have to see whether that's a real option for him, like a possible deal. But it doesn't look good for Andrew, I guarantee you. Charles was told something earlier on this year about what's in his files or what's gonna come out or possibly like, dark practices that he may have engaged in this speculation and said we're cutting him loose because nothing had really changed at that point. I don't know. Like, all the juicy Epstein stuff is coming out right now.
- [80:59]
A
I think that your theory is probably correct, but what frustrates me is if only we had a King William at that point who would have just kicked him all the way out, all the way.
- [81:13]
B
Still living on, like, the royal properties, royal residences.
- [81:15]
A
Which makes me think, you know, Charles is worried, too, that Andrew's gonna say, well, guess what? You know, my brother paid a million dollars to the Jifrey settlement fund.
- [81:24]
B
Yes.
- [81:25]
A
You know, so he knows stuff.
- [81:26]
B
Yes.
- [81:27]
A
He's not some innocent.
- [81:28]
B
That's right. They are gonna say that. And he did. Dan was talking about that yesterday. All right, let's keep going. Because you mentioned Kennedy, which brings me to Love Story. It's on FX and Hulu right now. I just started watching the first episode.
- [81:43]
A
What did you think?
- [81:44]
B
Well, I've got some problems. I know you've got a lot of problems with this, but the guy playing JFK junior Is so far annoying me. I don't think he's attractive enough, even though he's a male model. I think JFK Jr. Was actually significantly better looking than this guy. So I think they. If you're gonna go for the pure model, you should go. You should step it up one notch more.
- [82:04]
A
Okay.
- [82:04]
B
The gal Last name Pigeon. I think the same about her. She's a beautiful woman. But Carol and Bessette had a very distinctive look.
- [82:12]
A
Yes.
- [82:12]
B
I don't think they've got it.
- [82:14]
A
Yes.
- [82:15]
B
That's all I've seen so far. I'm only, like, half an hour into the first episode. Okay, but you literally wrote the book on the Kennedys. It's called Ask. Not. If you really want to know what happened in the Kennedy family, read Maureen's book. Let me show a scene. Oh, okay. This is actually. This is not a bad one. This is JFK junior In the gym. I did watch this with his cousin, Anthony Radzwell. How do you pronounce that?
- [82:39]
A
Radzwell?
- [82:40]
B
Yeah. Okay. We have a. We have a chair of theirs in our house.
- [82:44]
A
You have to show it to me.
- [82:45]
B
I will. His. His mother. What? How are they related? Is Jackie O's sister.
- [82:50]
A
Yeah. Lee Rads. A will. Was Jackie.
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B
We have Lee Radswell's chair. I'm Fancy Maureen. Oh, yeah. That and a nickel. Get you a gumball. Here's JFK Jr. The fake JFK Jr. At the gym with his cousin Anthony. SOP34.1.
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C
So what if he flubbed the bar exam?
- [83:06]
B
Twice?
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C
Twice.
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B
As in parentheticals, America's uncrowned Prince is
- [83:10]
C
facing 30 with a steady girlfriend, fabulous looks, even a movie role.
- [83:15]
B
But now it's time to hit those law books. If it makes you feel any better, anyone who knows you knows that you
- [83:23]
C
don't have a steady girlfriend.
- [83:25]
B
Off. I can't show my face around the city with these headlines everywhere. You show your dick to everyone at the gym. Apparently, this is all I'm good for.
- [83:32]
C
Well, as your cousin, obviously, I disagree.
- [83:36]
B
Also, I'm an actual prince with a title and everything. What is this obsession with anointing you? Okay. Your thoughts on it?
- [83:45]
A
I have several problems with that scene. The first is I hate clunky, expository dialogue.
- [83:51]
B
I love the way your mind works.
- [83:53]
A
As your cousin, I disagree. Like, you have to to communicate to the audience that these two are cousins in a much more artful manner. Same with. Well, I'm an actual prince. Like, gotta be more sophisticated about it. He is also, you know, he's the. He's the guy with cancer that Carol Radziwill married to. Get close to. Jam. My opinion. Get close to JFK Jr. And Carolyn.
- [84:15]
B
Yes.
- [84:16]
A
Who I believe she was really in love with. I think Carol was really in love with Carolyn Bessette, but that's another conversation.
- [84:21]
B
Okay.
- [84:21]
C
Wow.
- [84:22]
A
Okay, okay. Secondly, if they Wanted to go with real verisimilitude. JFK Jr used to walk around the gym fully naked, playing with his genitalia. This. It's a theme, right? A potted plant.
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B
Yeah.
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A
Like, picking around down there, inspecting. So he was, like, teasing all the
- [84:42]
B
men at the gym, needing attention.
- [84:43]
A
Needing, like. Needed attention like no other.
- [84:45]
B
And so little Markley.
- [84:47]
A
But I think Carolyn was the Markle. I think that JFK Jr. You know, he chose to live in New York City, and he spent every free moment running around shirtless.
- [85:00]
B
Yes.
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A
He loved the media attention.
- [85:02]
B
Yes, he loved it.
- [85:03]
A
It was what he did best. He wasn't a brainiac.
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B
He wasn't a lawyer.
- [85:08]
A
He wasn't a publishing magnate. He was a hot guy looking for a good time.
- [85:13]
B
With a great name.
- [85:13]
A
With a great name. And he looked like a movie star. And I agree with you completely. The thing about JFK Jr. And Carolyn Bessette, the real thing, things, they had that factor. Like, you cannot manufacture it.
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B
Yeah.
- [85:26]
A
You know, and, like, you can put as many hair extensions in sour pigeon as you want and lighter as much as you want the real. Because the real people were so unstable, so damaged.
- [85:37]
B
Yes.
- [85:38]
A
So messy, so obsessed with presenting themselves physically perfect, I think, to cover up all that mess inside. So that's where the focus would go. Right.
- [85:48]
B
And then there. There was something very compelling. Maybe it was the damage. You looked at JFK Jr. It wasn't just his look. I mean, he was a very handsome guy, but there was something going on there. Like, there was a lot he was working out. Maybe it was his death wish. As you document and ask not. But like, there was something fascinating about him as you looked at him, as you listened to him talk. Maybe it's just that he was the, you know, son of.
- [86:13]
A
It had a lot to do.
- [86:14]
B
American royalty.
- [86:14]
A
Yeah.
- [86:15]
B
This model, he's an attractive man by any measure, but, like, he doesn't have the it factor. And I think if you're gonna play JFK Jr. You have to have the it factor. And same for Carolyn Bissette Kennedy, however damaged she was. Maybe that's part of it, but she's also missing the it factor. They're not. You're not like, as you see them on stage on. You know, which you should be. You should be watching them. Like, oh, my God. Even if they're not as attractive and they don't. They're not exact replicas, but, like, if they've got the thing.
- [86:42]
A
Yes.
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B
It would have worked better.
- [86:43]
A
You know those people who walk into a room and you feel the Energy shift. Like, the energy goes to, like, everybody knows somebody of. Of import or whatever has entered the room. The one thing I will say about this guy's characterization, which I am enjoying, is I think a. He's gotten JFK jr's voice down. And I think that was a really hard voice to get down because there was no personality in it. Like, it had just been scrubbed of any real, like, affect or weirdness or. Or idiosyncrasy. And it kind of had all these rounded vowels. And. And I also. I don't know whether he's been directed this way. I. I know Sarah Pigeon had a movement coach to play Carolyn Bessette, so I'm guessing he had a movement coach to play JFK Jr. Who was all about his physicality. But he's kind of playing him like
- [87:26]
B
this big dumb puppy. Okay.
- [87:28]
A
Like, he's always, like, taking this. This is true. This is what JFK Jr. Would do. He, like, never understood why his bicycles were always getting stolen because he never fucking locked them up on the streets of New York City. Yeah, he just thought, well, it's my bike. Nobody's going to steal my. I'm JFK to happen.
- [87:41]
B
So I know they call it Love Story. Is that the right title for this
- [87:47]
A
thing in Ryan Murphy's world? Sure. Ryan Murphy is a dark. My opinion, I think he's a dark, dark guy. I don't know if you noticed the title sequence. Did you look at that at all? It's those hands.
- [87:59]
B
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like. Like the Da Vinci hands. Yeah, yeah, there it is.
- [88:06]
A
Okay, so look at the way they're moving together, right? They look like ghostly apparitions and they're moving so slowly. It looks to me like they're moving in water and they're coming together and it's very creepy. And I just. I think that speaks to this. First of all, there's a darkness in the culture that is like. That right there, to me, is emblematic of it. There is this fascination with. With an elevation of, like, death and like, the more macabre, the better because those people met violent ends. And I don't understand how it is like, Ryan Murphy is telling a version of this story that is soapy and glossy. And as someone who lived, you know, as a young person in downtown New York in the 90s, they're getting a lot of it, right? That vibe that feel like that last pre. Internet moment, you know, it was really. I was there too.
- [88:59]
B
I suddenly feel cooler than I normally do.
- [89:01]
A
But it was. It was like magazines mattered and people went out to restaurants and bars and clubs, and he.
- [89:07]
B
He was a man about town. He was constantly in the paper, and
- [89:10]
A
he was among us. You know, he was on the subway and. But the real story is so much stranger and weird and darker. And the way he treated her in the beginning was like. He just treated her like any other woman off the assembly line who wanted to be with him. There was nothing that really, you know, he was still with Daryl Hannah and keeping her on the back burner. And she would find out that they were back together by opening up the paper like everybody else.
- [89:42]
B
Oh, my God.
- [89:42]
A
Can you imagine? You've been with this guy and he's led you to believe that, like, you have a real future and you open up Page Six to see him with his movie star girlfriend.
- [89:49]
B
No, I laughed at the. We failed the bar exam the second time. I told the story before, but he. He passed it on the third time. And if he didn't pass it, he was going to get fired from his job in the New York DA's office. And he passed it by going to Albany Law School, where I attended. No. And he took his review class there because Albany Law School has a very high percentage pass rate. It's a great law school. Smaller and not as well known as others, but it is a great law school, especially if you want to practice in the Northeast or in New York. And so he went there, and my mother was like, this is your chance. Like, you could marry him. He's the most eligible bachelor in America. You get in there and you try to make nice with JFK Jr. It didn't work out.
- [90:34]
A
What happened?
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B
Nothing. I didn't get in there. He never met me. He had no idea who I was. And even if he had, he would have had zero interest in me because I did not look like Carolyn Bissette Kennedy. In any event, you dodged a bullet. Well, when he died, I think my mom was relieved, but he had a tumultuous life. He had a reckless existence. Ask not really walks you through how he had a death wish, this guy. And instead, this seems to be yet another Ryan Murphy. I think he's a misogynist. I actually have wonder. Like, I wonder. I'm not going to say Taylor Sheridan is a misogynist, but he can't write women. Every woman he writes is very unlikable, irascible, and, like, deeply problematic. I wonder about these very famous Hollywood writers who write women as just, like, the lead, likable, together, cool people, you know, I don't know, but Ryan Murphy, I definitely suspect, has got a serious problem with women because he seems to be blaming. You've pointed this out before.
- [91:28]
A
The.
- [91:29]
B
The plane crash on Carolyn's tardiness to showing up to the plane that day. And that's not really what did it.
- [91:36]
A
I think that Ryan Murphy is. There is a specific kind of gay man that is very dangerous. They are truly misogynistic, but they use their sexuality as a way of sidling up to women and being like, I could never be against women. Look at. I know what it's like to be like a marginalized person in the world. Andy Cohen's another one. Okay. They're very dangerous. I agree with you that Taylor. I think Taylor Sheridan is a misogynist. I watched the bulk of Yellowstone and there was a scene in there where he had the strongest female character brutally assaulted and nearly gang raped Beth Dutton. That scene went on way too long.
- [92:13]
C
Wrong.
- [92:13]
A
I'll say the same thing.
- [92:14]
B
I agree. And I'm watching Landman now, which I like. I like Landman.
- [92:17]
A
Okay. The daughter, though.
- [92:18]
B
The daughter.
- [92:19]
A
It's like having these conversations about sex with her father.
- [92:22]
B
Exactly. And the wife. The. The. The, you know, his ex wife, who. They're. They're back together. But, like, it's. There's something about the way he's writing these women, and I'm like, this is kind of offensive. Like, where there is. There's a strong female lawyer there, so I don't know what he's going to do with her. She's a good. And I like Tara Sharon. I like that he's not woke, and I like that he's pushing back on oil narratives in this show, among other narratives. But. But, like, it is not great to have all women in your series portrayed like complete fuckups. Like, you do need a couple of strong, great female role models, I think, in your. In your movies. I mean, in defense of Taylor, his male characters are also pretty shitty. So maybe it's across the board gang raped.
- [93:02]
A
Like, are they under threat of that? You know, in that whole scene with Beth Dutton, too, where it was like, well, is. Who's the guy who plays the boyfriend?
- [93:09]
B
Rip.
- [93:09]
A
Rip. Is Rip gonna get to her on time and, like, you know, throw all these guys through windows? I had a similar reckoning with David Chase and the Sopranos. Oh, okay. So do you remember the episode where Melie gets raped?
- [93:22]
B
Yes.
- [93:22]
A
Okay. I purposefully never watched that episode. I watched the entire series, but I would not watch that episode. And then I was watching the documentary on Chase.
- [93:30]
B
This is the Tony Soprano Psychiatrist, female socrate, played by Lorraine Brown Brain Brock.
- [93:35]
A
A very tough New York woman. Like a tough, glamorous New York woman. And in the documentary, she said to David Chase, she got that script, and she said, why are you doing this to her?
- [93:42]
B
Oh, yeah, that's right.
- [93:44]
A
Why are you doing this to her? I don't want you to do this to her. And she said, he explained it to her and then she understood. But that was the first time I watched that scene in the context of that documentary. And it went on forever. And I thought, he is enjoying this. And he is enjoying taking the one woman in this series. Series who is an intellectual and an independent woman and violating her like this and violating the actress who plays her like this. And it's rage at the mother. Whole other thing.
- [94:10]
B
Wow.
- [94:11]
A
Yeah.
- [94:11]
B
I don't think you're wrong. Well, I don't. Are you enjoying the series Love Story?
- [94:15]
A
I. I find it. I find it very watchable.
- [94:18]
B
They dropped the first three episodes and then now one comes out per week.
- [94:21]
A
I find it very watchable. Which is different than do. I think it's good. You know what I mean?
- [94:25]
B
I know. You don't think they're portraying Jackie O. Correctly.
- [94:27]
A
I think it's a desecration.
- [94:28]
B
I think we have time. Let's play a little clip of that. We have one of those pulled. Do you guys know the one? It's. Oh, SOT 33, I think is the one, right? Well, I don't know. I know. Do you want to see when she speaks to JFK Jr. Only one of us knows what it's like to marry into the family? Or do you want to see the one where she's drinking alone in her living room?
- [94:47]
A
Drinking alone.
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B
That's the one Maureen wants. Let's see it stop 34 before you
- [94:52]
A
drift to sleep upon your cot.
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B
She's in a living room. She's, like, hugging herself and kind of dancing. She's smoking. Can't tell. Ask every person if he's heard the
- [95:11]
A
story and tell it strong and clear if he has not.
- [95:17]
B
She's picking up a JFK portrait and dancing with it. Of glory called Camelot. Camelot, Camelot. Once there was a spot for one brief shining moment that was known as. Wow. Oh, wow.
- [95:54]
A
It's like a miniature replica of JFK's official White House portrait.
- [95:59]
B
Yes.
- [95:59]
A
It's beyond camp. So at this point in the series, Jackie is dying of cancer. Like, a very aggressive cancer. She weighs like 80 pounds soaking wet. She's drunk, chain smoking near an open fire. And what do you do, of course. You bend down and pick up like a 40 foot portrait and start dancing with it.
- [96:18]
B
It's like the size of this thing.
- [96:19]
A
Exactly, exactly.
- [96:22]
B
So they're not going for true accuracy here. Okay, that's typical. Ryan Murphy. Okay. There's more that we have to get to. Let me switch to the Olympics. The Alyssa Lou win last night. Do we have a clip of it? Let's see. See, Alyssa Lou. I don't know if we cut her actual skating. Yeah, we did. Saw 12. Let's watch it. People loved it when she dragged across the ice with her knee down. She just did. Now she does a bunch of them. Spinning with her knees on the ground. Why? Why did we love that and her so much?
- [97:09]
A
I don't know. You know, ice skating is really one of my favorite things to watch in the Olympics. It always has been. I haven't been able to watch as much this year. I would imagine, though, the physical, like how difficult it must be to skate on your knees.
- [97:21]
B
Oh, my God.
- [97:22]
A
Like the potential damage you could do. That could be a career ender.
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Yes. She got a bigger cheer for that than she got for like her. She did a quad, she did triple axel, like the hardest move moves. She. Her dad was born in China. He fled here, I think at age 25 after Tiananmen Square. And he. Then he had Alyssa through a surrogate, like he had a donor egg.
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Interesting.
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Put into a surrogate. And then he had Alyssa and her brother and sister, I think it is, and raised them out in San Francisco when she became a star ice skater. She went to the Olympics when she was 16, in. In China, in Beijing. And she went, I think four years earlier when she was just 12. I can't remember where the Olympics were that year. And she was just a babe, but she tried and she did okay. She finished seventh in Beijing. But they. They kept trying to like recruit her, the Chinese and they. The State Department, at the dad's request, had to put two full time guards with her when she went over to Beijing. So the Chinese have been eyeballing her because they wanted to make her into an Eileen Goofy, you know. Oh, yeah, who skates for China.
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Yeah, I heard you.
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Not America, given the fact that her dad was Chinese. What? Steve? Oh, yeah. Eileen skis. He's putting. Eileen goo is a skier.
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Okay.
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List is obviously a skater. And Eileen went for it and is making millions of dollars thanks to her Chinese affiliation. And she's winning medals for the Chinese now even though she's American. And this gal said no. And her dad? No, no. They resisted every effort. They resisted all those gazillion dollar endorsement deals they could have gotten if they'd signed with the Chinese because they'll throw money at you. She said, I'm skating for America. And the dad said that there's a reason I moved to the United States of America. She went out there and they talked about how she retired. She retired right after the Beijing Olympics when she was 16. And then two years after that, when she was 18, she tried skiing. And she had so much fun skiing down the ski mountain. It was very challenging. Her legs were burned learning, but she felt exhilarated by the challenge. And she thought, what if I could have this feeling out on the ice doing the thing that I used to be really good at?
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Oh, wow.
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And so she put her skates back on, she went back out there, and she. She tested to see if she could still do a double axel. And she could. She did it. And she was like, there might be a way back for me where I can do this sport my way, way. And so she started to skate the way she wants, and she chose the music she wanted, and she wore her hair the way she wanted with the crazy stripes. And she had the lip piercing that makes it look like she's got, you know, little. Two little things on the two front teeth. And she got out there and she chose the. Who sings that song, you know, is it Eileen, Cara, whatever. She chose, you know, one of our more fun pop anthems here, not so some stiff operatic thing that puts you to sleep. And she had fun with her gold flitty gown, and we did too. Like that was part. I have more to say. I'm not done with. With Alyssa, but I do have to take a quick break. We're going to come back on the opposite side and finish our discussion of the. Of the Olympics. Don't go away feeling sluggish, bloated, not quite like yourself. Life constantly bombards us with silent threats, processed foods, artificial light, non stop stream stress, all of which can disrupt gut health, drain energy, and weaken immune health. When that happens, it's not that your body's broken, it's that it might be missing the right inputs. That's why I want to tell you about armor Colostrum. It's packed with more than 400 bioactive nutrients that they say can work at a foundational level to fortify gut health, support immune health, fuel recovery, and promote whole body vitality. Strong gut integrity can support metabolism, skin and hair health, health, and even performance and recovery, which is why colostrum has long been valued by some elite athletes as well. If you are looking to take back control of your health from the inside out, consider Armra and they have a special deal for you. Now go to armra.commegan or enter Megan when you check out to get 30% off your first subscription order. That's a R M R A dot com Megan at Nature's Bounty, the belief is simple. You already have a brilliant body. Some just help support your journey. For over 50 years, nature's bounty has offered vitamins and supplements to help you eat, sleep, thrive, repeat from magnesium glycinate for heart and muscle support to hair growth capsules for fuller, thicker hair and probiotics. With 20 billion live cultures for digestion Nature's Bounty it's in your nature to thrive. Learn more@naturesbounty.com these statements have not been evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration. These products are not intended to diagnose, treat, cure or prevent any disease. Disease Psoriatic Arthritis Symptoms can be unpredictable. I had joint pain and I couldn't
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Ask your rheumatologist about Cosentix. Hey everyone, it's me, Megyn Kelly. I've got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on SiriusXM. It's called the Megyn Kelly Channel and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered, with no agenda and no apologies. Along with the Megyn Kelly show, you're gonna hear from people like Mark Halperin, Link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily Jinsky, Jesse Kelly, Real Clear politics and many more. It's bold. No BS news only on the Megyn Kelly channel, Sirius XM111 and on the Sirius XM app. We're back now with Maureen. Callan So I was saying about Alyssa Liu. I think that her. Her effervescence won her the gold. She. She came back. She did it her way, and it wasn't like the stuffy US Figure skating perfection, little Nancy Kerrigan way. It was like, take me as I am. And it gave her the confidence to go out there and skate like she had fun. Everybody else looked scared shitless. She had a great time. And I wonder if there's, like, an example in there for these other figure skaters who choke sometimes. You know, like, poor, sweet, Ill. Ilia. Ilya. Malinin. Malinin. I don't know. Forgive me. He's new to me, but he's wonderful. But he had a very tough performance the other night. He choked, and he admitted that it was a choke, that it was all mental. Maybe if you just go out there and you just make it, like, the most fun thing that you can't wait to do, you get results. Like this gal in gold.
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That's the thing I love about sports, whether it's the Olympics or professional sports. And it's not like I'm a huge sports fan. There are certain things I do really love. Like, I love watching the US Open and stuff, but I love the metaphor that sports can give you for so much in life. And when you're talking about that, like, that way, like, that's how I try to approach anything. Like, it's just, like, the nerve. Yeah. Like, I have so much fun with the nerve, and I wasn't trying to make it fit into any sort of particular box, or certain people is just like, well, we're all kind of out of our minds over there, and it's really fun, and that's how we do it. And I think, you know, it made me think, too, of God. Oh. So I saw this segment once back on Real Sports when that was still running with Bryant Gumbel, about these major league pitchers. Like, these phenoms, like, these guys, like, they were just gifted. Like, I mean, they worked hard, but, like, they had natural, inborn talent. And there was this thing that I forget they have a name for it where, like, suddenly they. They, like, freeze and they choke and they lose their ability to pitch. And it's not just, like, yips. The yips, exactly. And it's like, it. And then it really calcifies within them. And. And the more they try to get out of it, like, the deeper they get into it, and they have to hire, like, specific coaches to get them back to the majors. And it. Watching it, it was just, like, terrifying to Me because it, it's a, it's an object lesson, I think, in trying not to get too. In your own head. Head too much and trying to control an outcome. Like I would bet that girl probably came at that. Like, I'm just happy to be here. I'm at the effing Olympics and that's a win. Yes, that's a win in and of itself.
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And even her coach was on the like the preview setup piece was like, she came back and said, I want to, I want to skate again. And so I opened up a huge bottle of wine and she had made clear to him, I want to do it on my own terms. And he understood, I think this is not going to be what people are used to. And man, it worked out. So I was just, it was so joyful to watch. Equally joyful. Women's hockey team. We beat the evil top hat Canada. What's amazing is our team, they're saying that this women's team is the best ever assembled. Our female team, we in the entire Olympics had never been down a goal. We had always been leading in every single matchup against everybody who got us here, here and until the finals.
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Wow.
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So now we open up the finals yesterday against Canada, they scored on us early. Wow. And we were down 10 the entire game. Last two minutes, we pull the goalie. Our goalie is a stud. She's the one who stopped. I mean she and all, all of her team, but like she didn't let any goals get through. I think we had one goal scored on us before, before the last, before yesterday. And then one yesterday, I think two goals this woman gave, gave up the entire Olympics. We pull the goalie and so we can get an extra body on that, on the ice, going on offense. And it happened. They scored to get it tied up before the, the game clock ran out. Now we're in sudden death overtime and amazingly, Megan Keller scored the game winning goal. I don't know anything about hockey, but it was so exciting when she, she did it. I do know the word juke from my kids sports that he, she juked the other player where like, you know, she made him think that her. Think that she was going left when she was really going right. She got around her. She, she slapped his puck into the goal in between the goalie's legs and the defender was splayed out on the ice like in the X formation, just like with her head down, realizing she had just missed, you know, such an important moment. Poor girl. But you know, start to feel sorry for Her. Because we won. And everybody on Twitter was like, an ex was like, oh, there's a filthy goal. That was a dirty, filthy goal. And I was like, these are Americans who are fans of this. So why do they keep saying, like, they're all using those terms? I actually asked on X, I'm like, why? Why are all these hockey fans using the terms dirty and filthy? And I guess it's a unique hockey thing in particular. Maybe it's applies to other sports. But they were saying hockey fans use those terms for, like, the sickest goals.
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Oh, so it's like, it's a.
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It's a good thing. Yeah.
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Okay.
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There's a comm. Anyway, and then the crowd went wild, and all the girls stormed each other. And it was so joyful. It was like something out of the movies. And here is our team singing the national anthem, like a bunch of amazing patriots. Look at that. To a woman smiling, singing. And they know the words to their credit. Sorry. But just to contrast that with the US Women's soccer team. Let's see what they did in the 2023 World Cup. Slot 19. Nothing. They look like they're at a funeral. It was pre game, I'll give him that. But nothing. Half don't even have their hands on their hearts. A bunch of bitter, angry losers. So hats off to women's hockey for showing the world and women's soccer how it's done.
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Agreed. And you know, that makes me think of at the super bowl, you'll often see at the national anthem. We were just talking about Chris Stapleton, who did one of the greatest national anthem performances at the super bowl ever. I love seeing, like, grown, big, burly men weep at a rendition of that. That, like, just really gets in there. And those are those great unifying moments because sports transcends everything. It doesn't matter how you vote or whatever.
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Yes.
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Yeah.
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All right, one more moment before we go. Hailey Nguyen is on our women's team, and they ran such a good package on her and her family. She is the youngest, I think, of four. She has three older brothers, and these, her older brothers are her biggest fans. They've become complete stands for their younger sister. They go to all of her games. They dress alike. They cheer for her as loud as possible. And they ran this setup package on showing her on skates when she was just like, literally a baby. And these boys have been there her whole life encouraging her. Here's just a little bit of that in the player's tribute watch. Go, girl. Go. Go, Haley. Go ahead, stand Up. Get those feet. Get those feet underneath. Her brother's encouraging her. Go, girls. Hey, Bugs. Hey, sir. What's up, Your brothers. We've watched you on skates before you could even walk. And listen to you talk about your dreams of becoming an Olympian since the first time you were asked. Now you're living it. You continue to impress us daily. We are just so proud of you. Come on, Haley. Stick with him. You deserve everything that's coming. The U.S. women's hockey team deserves everything that's coming to you. You've worked so hard. Thousands of shots, all the hours in the weight room, all the early mornings, and just everything you've sacrificed. We can't wait to cheer you on
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as you continue to push for gold.
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Watching you get to live out your dream is a blessing. No matter the outcome of these games, it doesn't change who you are. You have three older brothers that now look up to you. You will always be our champion. It's so nice. I know. We're both crying.
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I don't cry. You cry.
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I'm not crying. You're crying. I'm crying.
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I love that. Right?
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I love.
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You know, that's the kind. Like, I feel like we. We. That is maybe more of the exception. I would hope it's more of the rule than the exception. But like these older brothers who are doing nothing but ch. Cheering her on, not an iota of resentment, or, like, who do you think you are? Like, you're living your dream. We've seen you in skates before. You could walk. I could make a new.
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It's so sweet. It reminds me of the saying, which is also sad. Parents leave too soon. Children come too late. But your siblings are with you for the whole thing. It's just sweet.
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They are. They really are. And they're the. They're the ones who, you know. And that just. That just is. Is one of the most beautiful things. And, you know, that's why that girl can go out there and skate the way she does.
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Yes.
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Because she's got that from her brother saying, you just. You. You're living the dream. You're at the Olympics. Doesn't matter what if. If you medal or not.
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Yes. You won.
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You're a winner.
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It must be said again, hats off to good parenting.
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Yes.
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Whatever those parents did, they nailed it. Creating that sort of sibling support and love. And that girl went out there knowing her life was great, no matter what happened at the final buzzer. Like, that is a huge win. It's a win for the family. It's A win for humanity.
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Yes. And it's a win for her going forward in life because being at the Olympics can't be the best thing that ever happened to her. She has a long life ahead of her, hopefully, and that's gotta be a highlight, but it can't be the best.
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Yeah, yeah. She gets to have those brothers with her every Christmas, God willing, and birthdays and. I don't know, it's just like it's hashtag goals. As. As a. As a parent. Yes. But even just as a human, you know, to foster those kinds of relationships in your life. Good for them. God bless the entire team, Haley and the others. Great job. We're so proud of you, Maureen. Love you, lady.
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Okay.
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Happy Friday. Have a great weekend. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.
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