Tragic Killing of College Student in Chicago By Illegal Migrant, and Dems Use Trauma in 2028 Prep, with Rich Lowry and MBD | Ep. 1280

Summary

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The Megyn Kelly Show | Ep. 1280

Date: March 24, 2026
Guests: Rich Lowry (National Review Editor-in-Chief), Michael Brendan Dougherty (MBD, National Review Senior Writer)

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Episode Overview

This emotionally charged episode centers on the recent tragic killing of 18-year-old college student Sheridan Gorman in Chicago, allegedly by an illegal immigrant. Megyn Kelly and her guests, Rich Lowry and Michael Brendan Dougherty, dissect the political, cultural, and media responses to the crime and its implications for immigration policy and public safety, while also delving into the shifting emotional narratives of 2028 Democratic presidential hopefuls. The conversation is raw, unsparing, and unapologetically critical, sustaining the show’s signature tone of “No BS. No agenda. And no fear.”

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Sheridan Gorman Case: Facts, Context, and Outrage

[01:00 – 24:00]

• Case Recap:
  Sheridan Gorman, an 18-year-old freshman at Loyola University Chicago, was shot and killed late at night while with friends on Loyola Beach. The alleged shooter, Jose Medina, is a 25-year-old illegal immigrant from Venezuela, previously apprehended by Border Patrol and later arrested for shoplifting – both times released due to sanctuary city policies.

• Host’s Reaction:
  Megyn Kelly expresses intense anger and heartbreak over the preventable nature of the crime, attributing blame to the Biden administration, Illinois state and Chicago city officials, and sanctuary policies:

  • "For what? For what? Because this pig illegal was in this country with no business being here... I am sick and tired of reporting on young American Girls being killed by illegals from Venezuela. Sick and tired of it." (08:29)
  • “Sheridan Gorman should be alive and well today and thriving in Chicago... And Joe Biden and all the Democrats who supported his reckless, needless, inexplicable, open border have blood on their hands…” (13:02)

• Political & Systemic Failure:
  The podcast details instances in which officials could have prevented Medina's release, highlighting lack of ICE coordination due to Chicago and Illinois's sanctuary policies.

• Family Response:
  Quotes from Sheridan’s family underscore the devastation:

  • “We are going to get justice for Sheridan. We have a voice and it's going to be heard. We are beyond shattered.” – Jessica (Sheridan’s mother), New York Post (14:20)
  • “When they say that your heart is broken or it feels like it's ripped out of your chest, it's real. It's so real. I wouldn’t wish this upon anyone.” – Jessica, through tears (15:11)

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2. Political & Media Reactions

[16:00 – 44:00]

• Governor & Mayor Silence:

  • Kelly lambasts Governor JB Pritzker and Mayor Brandon Johnson for minimal and delayed statements—pointing out the sanitized language that omits Medina’s status as an illegal immigrant:
    • “‘The person responsible’... You mean the illegal immigrant from Venezuela? Where’s that?” (16:45)

• Alderwoman Maria Hadden’s Comment:

  • Hadden attributes the tragedy to "wrong place, wrong time," suggesting Sheridan’s group “might have startled this person,” a framing Kelly and guests denounce as a distortion.
    • "She has completely recast what happened as just an accidental startling... She did absolutely nothing wrong. How dare you." (18:41)

• Media Coverage:
  The hosts and guests critique mainstream outlets for burying Medina’s immigration status or avoiding the story.

  • “[The Chicago Tribune] just refer to him as ‘Rogers Park man.’ Then finally there was a follow up story that makes a reference to the fact that he was here illegally... CBS waits until the 10th paragraph...” (43:00)

• Rich Lowry’s Analysis:

  • “This doesn't mean that all illegal immigrants are murderers... but [Democrats] won’t acknowledge that it’s a unique tragedy when you have someone who shouldn’t have been in the country in the first place snuffing out a young life like this.” (24:03)

• Michael Brendan Dougherty’s Perspective:

  • “This is the price of it in the end... You get violation of child labor laws because the Biden administration let in so many illegal immigrants... And then we pretend to be shocked at the crime that happens as a result. It’s beyond reckoning.” (27:30)

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3. Victimhood Hierarchies & Progressive Rhetoric

[34:20 – 41:23]

• Critical Examination of Progressive Hierarchies:
  Kelly and Lowry outline what they see as a leftist victimhood hierarchy, arguing that “illegal immigrant, brown skin from Venezuela definitely is over white girl from Westchester, but is not over black girl from Chicago.”

  • “I guarantee you the message would have been totally different had Sheridan been black... now the hierarchies change again.” (34:34)

• Alderwoman Profile Satire:
  They ridicule Hadden’s biography as emblematic of progressive virtue-signaling without substance.

• Nonprofit Networks and Tolerance for Lawlessness:
  Dougherty details the complex networks of non-profits in sanctuary cities that work to shield illegal immigrants and those who profit from breaking immigration law, calling it a “legal conspiracy to evade the law.” (39:11)

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4. Democratic Presidential Hopefuls & The Cult of Trauma

[54:09 – 77:33]

• Axios Report on “Leaning into Trauma”:
  Axios highlights how leading Democrats (Josh Shapiro, Gavin Newsom, JB Pritzker) are framing personal childhood trauma as a foundational part of their political self-branding.

• Critique of Political Ruminating:
  The hosts and guests compare this to the historical American ideal of privacy, dignity, and overcoming hardship without public lament.

  • “There used to be a stiff upper lip vein running through American politics, and it’s gone now. At least for the Democrat Party.” (57:06)
  • “If you have to say ‘I hope she’ll one day see that what I said in my book wasn’t insulting to her and that she’s the actual hero,’ you shouldn’t have said it. You shouldn’t have said it. It’s disgusting.” – Rich Lowry (62:30)

• Rich Lowry’s Historical Examples:
  FDR and John McCain are cited as exemplars of not advertising personal pain or victimhood, in stark contrast to current trends. (62:50 – 64:50)

• Comparison with GOP Candidates:
  Contrasts are drawn to the Republican field (Trump, Romney, McCain) whose public personas project overcoming adversity with resilience, positivity, or stoicism rather than mining personal trauma for sympathy.

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5. Current State & Future of GOP Internal Politics

[77:33 – 90:12]

• Hawkish vs. Non-Interventionist Divide:
  The hosts address Republican party divides in the wake of ongoing military operations (specifically with Iran), with MBD suggesting the non-interventionist block remains significant, especially among younger voters.

  • “If you are Ben Shapiro or Mark Levin or some of these commentators... you’re basically saying like we're in charge of a minority, a party that's going to swiftly be in the minority in November. And I'm not sure how that's going to work out for them.” – MBD (82:10)

• 2028 GOP Contenders (JD Vance, Marco Rubio):
  Discussion on whether Rubio will run, insider dynamics, and how both Vance and Rubio’s working-class “origin stories” stack up against the Democratic field’s attempts at emotional relatability. (85:47)

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6. Spring Break Culture and OnlyFans

[94:36 – 103:32]

• Youth Culture Satire:
  Light-hearted segment features a “man on the street” college youth interview series poking fun at Spring Break ignorance and superficiality (“Blackout with my rack out,” “I found out about Chuck Norris yesterday. That was more devastating to me.”) (94:36–95:19)

• Twerking and Decency Laws:
  A humorous debate about recent local attempts to criminalize twerking on Florida beaches.

• OnlyFans Founder’s Death as Commentary on the Rise of Porn Culture:
  The hosts decry the “democratization of porn,” with Rich Lowry lamenting both the exploitation and normalization:

  • “This is a terrible trend. It seems to be sort of an unstoppable tide in American life. But it used to be, you know, these were magazines hidden in the back of some shop... now it’s just accessible to everyone...” (102:44)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Megyn Kelly’s Emotional Response:

  • "Her poor family. 18, with her entire life in front of her. For what? Why? There were so many opportunities to prevent this. Joe Biden closing the border. Democrats allowing President Trump to deport the illegals who had been let in here.” (09:10)

• On Media Malpractice:

  • “It’s not just bearing the lead. It’s suppressing the lead or pretending the lead doesn’t exist…” – Rich Lowry (43:47)

• On Progressive Hierarchies & Political Language:

  • “When you’re doing the progressive hierarchy, illegal immigrant, brown skin from Venezuela definitely is over white girl from Westchester, but is not over black girl from Chicago.” – Megyn Kelly (34:32)

• On ‘Wallowing in Trauma’:

  • “There is this weird thing of like there’s a kind of bonding and heroism in mental dysfunction… that is really… kind of embarrassing. Like, talk to your life coach about it…” – MBD (58:51)

• On American Resilience:

  • “FDR would roll himself in, set up to hide his disability... It was so painful for him, but he was obsessed with not seeming like a victim. And a more recent example of this, MBD mentioned: John McCain… didn’t want people to know [he couldn’t raise his arms]. He didn’t want to advertise that because he was not a victim. Right?” – Rich Lowry (62:50)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• The Killing of Sheridan Gorman: 01:00 – 24:00
• Political & Media Reactions & Sanctuary Policy Critique: 16:00 – 44:00
• Progressive Victimhood Hierarchy: 34:20 – 41:23
• Democratic Candidates & Trauma Narratives: 54:09 – 77:33
• GOP Internal Division & 2028 Outlook: 77:33 – 90:12
• Spring Break/OnlyFans Cultural Satire: 94:36 – 103:32

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Tone & Language

• Audacious, emotionally raw, and unapologetically partisan, the hosts and guests do not hold back in their criticism of Democratic immigration policies, media bias, and progressive social values. The show moves deftly between outrage, satire, and serious political analysis, punctuated by memorable quips, personal anecdotes, and moments of genuine grief and empathy.

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For Listeners Who Missed the Episode

• If you care about the intersection of immigration policy, crime, and political accountability—this episode is a must-listen.
• If you want an unfiltered, conservative critique of mainstream media and progressive politics, Megyn Kelly and her guests deliver it at full volume.
• If you’re curious about the emotional and political strategies shaping the 2028 election, especially among possible Democratic nominees, or the ongoing ideological debates within the GOP, the analysis is incisive.
• And if you want to know what the right is saying about youth culture, feminism, and the porn industry, the lighter final blocks provide the Kelly show’s signature blend of commentary and humor.

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Listeners are left with a call for genuine accountability, reflection on the costs of cultural and policy shifts, and a renewed emphasis on personal and national resilience—punctuated by frustrations that echo across conservative America.

Transcript

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Sheridan Gorman was from Yorktown Heights. It's about an hour's drive from New York City. She was a first year student at Loyola University in Chicago, 18 years old, off to live her life to get an education, first step away from her parents. I understand this. I had my first job in Chicago after I finished law school at age 24. So I was a little older than Sheridan. But I went to Chicago too as my first big step away from home. And it seems like a relatively safe place or at least it did back when I went. It's not as large as New York City. It's a little bit more navigable. It's totally beautiful. That lakefront is completely inviting and large parts of it are very safe. And a lot of young people hang out there at all hours having a drink or on their way home to the bars or just at night when they're not going to the bars, just to take in Lake Michigan, which is absolutely stunning. It looks like an ocean. And Sheridan, a first year student again at Loyola, around 1am on Thursday night, went out with friends to take in the city's skyline and have a look at the northern lights. That's according to her family. She was at the part of the lakefront, if you know Chicago, there's Michigan Avenue and they call it Mag Mile. And right at the top of that is Oak street beach, which kind of kicks off the area that people go to and look at and hang at. And lots of people getting engaged there with the John Hancock building in the background. Well, about seven or eight miles, just north of that is Loyola beach, where she, she was with her friends minding her own business on a spring evening. And prosecutors say that Sheridan and her group were walking near the When Gorman told her friends she saw someone hiding behind a lighthouse. And that's when an armed man dressed in all black, wearing a mask emerged, causing the group to flee. Can you imagine how terrifying that would be? The man then fired at the fleeing group, hitting Sheridan in the back with the bullet exiting from her neck. And she was pronounced dead at the scene. Absolutely heartbreaking. For what? For what? Because this pig illegal was in this country with no business being here. Police were able to track the suspect down to his apartment using surveillance footage where they recovered a.40 caliber handgun. A shell casing from the scene matched the gun. So they've got the guy now. What we've learned about the alleged shooter has been all too familiar. After Joe Biden's disastrous open border policies let in millions of unvetted illegal immigrants to this country. That's what Donald Trump was trying to clean up in places like Minneapolis when all hell broke loose. Because you had protesters wanting to keep men like this here in the country and tried to paint people like the ICE agents who were trying to keep girls like Sheridan safe as the bad guys. According to the Department of Homeland Security, this suspect is named Jose Medina, a 25 year old fucking loser illegal immigrant from Venezuela. I'm sorry, but I'm angry. I am sick and tired of reporting on young American Girls being killed by illegals from Venezuela. Sick and tired of it. Her poor family. 18, with her entire life in front of her. For what? Why? There were so many opportunities to prevent this. Joe Biden closing the border. Democrats allowing President Trump to deport the illegals who had been let in here. Governor Pritzker allowing Trump to send help to the state of Illinois in preventing crime, which he said he had in hand and that it was safe. Remember when he was walking along that very lakefront? Governor Pritzker giving an interview to a local Chicago Chicago News reporter, talking about how it was safe and he was going to reject Trump's offer. There were so many opportunities to prevent this, and the system failed. Sheridan Gorman and her family. DHS says Border Patrol apprehended Medina back on May 9, 2023, but the Biden administration released him into the country. Then he was nabbed again, as is so often the case with these illegals. He was nabbed again on June 19, 2023, for shoplifting in Chicago. Really didn't take him long to continue breaking our laws. And once again, he was released. And there does not appear to have been any coordination with ICE or any calling of ICE to let them know that they had arrested an illegal. Chicago is a sanctuary city, Illinois. Sanctuary. They wouldn't have done. They have a policy against doing that. And there's absolutely no report that they. That they violated their policy and actually did something to protect their community by letting ICE know that they had arrested somebody for shoplifting who wasn't supposed to be here. Now this guy Medina's been charged with first degree murder and multiple other felonies. What good will that do? What good will that do? Who even cares? Great. Shove him in a jail for the rest of his life. Fine. That's where he belongs. Or ship him back to Venezuela. I really like, who cares? She's dead and she can't be brought back. Her family is in massive amounts of pain, and no guilty verdict or deportation or combination of the two is going to change that. How many other daughters have to die before we realize what Joe Biden did and the hard truths about what must be done to rectify it? You know, we moved on from Minneapolis so quickly because of the hysterics from the Dems, especially in the wake of Renee Goode and Alex Preddy injecting themselves into that lawful law enforcement operation and getting themselves killed. Trump backed down because the polls started hemorrhaging for him with independence. That was a smart political calculation. I'm not gonna lie. I see exactly why I did made sense to me politically. But what quietly happened in the days and weeks after that, it wasn't really publicized, especially because soon thereafter the Iran thing exploded and so on, was we seeded the battle. You know, there was a battle even within DHS and certainly within the country on whether we were just gonna go with worst first. Tom Homan style, which is, you know, I love Tom Homan. He's patriot. Or cast a wider net and try to deport all of the illegals here, the ones who hadn't yet committed a violent crime. The ones like this guy. And those of us who wanted a wider net lost. That's. That's what happened. That the administration is not admitting that they know that, especially Republican and independent voters do say they want everyone gone. But when you actually have to do the hard work of making it happen, the public gets squeamish because it looks like what it looked like in Minneapolis when you have a local Democratic governor and lawmakers who decide to resist, you know, the home in efforts, the Kristi Noem efforts were working well in other cities, but Minneapolis decided to make a point. Sanctuary city. And the media was on board. They made martyrs out of those two interferers. Pretty and good. And the media swallowed a hook, line and sinker. And quietly. We lost that battle, you guys. We did. The administration downshifted to worst first only. I mean, that's really what it seems to be, worst only. And maybe that's just realism, given the amount of resources that we have and how difficult it is to find all these people. But this, a guy like this guy would not have been touched. A shoplifting arrest, that's not worst first. He had no business being here. He should have been part of the dragnet. We should not give up on the other illegals. They all need to go. Whose child will be next? So this guy now charged with first degree murder. Great. And multiple other felonies. But he missed his first court date on Monday because he's reportedly hospitalized with tuberculosis. Wonderful. So he's got communicable diseases as well. This is just senseless. It never should have happened. Sheridan Gorman should be alive and well today and thriving in Chicago, taking in the sights and the sounds of that vibrant, dynamic city and coming of age in it with her young friends. And Joe Biden and all the Democrats who supported his reckless, needless, inexplicable, open border have blood on their hands. I genuinely take no pride, pleasure, or joy in rubbing their faces in that. I. I wish we on the right who objected to these this border situation, what was happening had been wrong, that it was somehow it worked out, somehow these people just became law abiding citizens who wanted to pay the bills and send money home to their families. And it was always bullshit. Yes, there's some small collection who wanted that and didn't break the law. But let's be honest, as Trump said infamously at the bottom of that escalator, they're not sending their best. He knew it then, he knows it today. There are political realities that caused him to change, quietly change without admitting it. That policy and more Americans are going to die as a result of what Joe Biden did and these Democrats, what they did. In Minneapolis, Sheridan's family releasing a statement that reads, quote, this is the loss of a daughter, the loss of a sister, the loss of a future filled with milestones that will now never come. Our family is forever changed. Her family says Sheridan was a devout Christian, a star bowler, and was extremely excited to begin studying business at Loyola last fall. Sheridan's mom, Jessica, telling the New York Post, quote, we are going to get justice for Sheridan. We have a voice and it's going to be heard. We are beyond shattered. For the listening audience, we're showing a picture of the two of them. Beautiful Sheridan with her long brunette hair, her gorgeous mom with her blonde hair. They look so similar, the two of them, all smiles, looking like they love life and they love each other through tears. Jessica, Sheridan's mom, saying, quote, when they say that your heart is broken or it feels like it's ripped out of your chest, it's real. It's so real. I wouldn't wish this upon anyone. It is absolutely heartbreaking. It is awful and unnecessary. But Democrats, I have to be honest, they don't seem to be that moved by this. And the same people who are out there, Governor Pritzker, laying a wreath in honor of Alex Preddy, the protester who interfered with a lawful law enforcement operation. Very little to say. He's, of course, a Democrat with presidential aspirations, silent on this murder in his state, which was preventable for days. She was killed on Thursday. It took him until Monday to post on X, quote, sheridan Gorman's murder is a tragedy and the person responsible must be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. The person responsible. You mean the illegal immigrant from Venezuela? Where's that? The one who was already arrested. Who? He didn't turn over to ice that one, then. My deepest condolences to the family, friends and Loyola University community grieving this devastating loss. May her memory be a Blessing. No mention of the suspect's immigration status. Yesterday, Pritzker's office also releasing a statement that reads in part, quote, the Trump administration needs to stop politicizing heinous tragedies and instead focus on real solutions. The Trump administration needs to stop politicizing. Okay, that's not what happened here. That is not what happened here. The fact that President Trump called attention to this devastating loss is, to his credit. There is an actual political solution to some of what Joe Biden did, and the Democrats are objecting to it. How dare he pretend he's not part of that problem? Remember back in January, this guy made an appearance at a memorial again for Alex Preddy, the agitator killed by immigration enforcement in Minneapolis after he inserted himself into their law enforcement operations. And Pritzker then had no problem calling for the firing of Trump administration officials because, quote, killings took place. Watch this.

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Need to have people who are actually professionally prepared to do law enforcement and instead of taking away people's constitutional rights.

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Governor J.B. pritzker supports immigration enforcement, but not the way the Trump administration is doing it. He is encouraged by the departure of Border Patrol Chief Greg Bevino. But Pritzker says Christy Noem, Tom Homan, and Stephen Miller should all be removed as well.

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They need to be held accountable because killings took place and it was under their orders.

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Look at him. Managed to drag himself on cam to make sure his message was heard far and wide. Why isn't he doing that for Sheridan? Get your fat ass in front of a camera right now and say something empathetic and apologetic about Sheridan Gorman right now. It's even worse when you look down at the mayor. Chicago's far left, Mayor Brandon Johnson, has been silent, silent about Sheridan's murder. Nothing. He has nothing to say. He clearly doesn't give a shit, which we knew. But at least they generally try to make it look like they care with, like, an anodyne statement along the lines of what Pritzker did. But Brandon Johnson, nothing. He had no time for Sheridan Gorman. He's tweeting about other things, but couldn't be bothered to tweet about or say something on camera about Sheridan. But the Alder woman who represents this part of Chicago where the shooting took place, Maria Hadden, who is a villain in this story, had the following to say. From what I've been told so far, right. From what police know from. From speaking to the students who were with her, it seems she might have that as they were just out, you know, people go out to the beach all the Time. Right. And they go out on the pier, they walk around. So the. The kids were out doing normal, normal things people do in the neighbo. And it sounds like this might have been a wrong place, wrong time, running into a person who had a gun. They might have startled this person at the end of the pier unintentionally, but that's all we know. So from what I've been told, what police investigation has turned up so far, what they've been able to share with me and with Loyola University, we don't believe there is cause for broader community concerns. Okay. Some actual concern over Sheridan Gorman would be nice. Madam, someone may have been in the wrong place, the wrong time last Thursday. The wrong place, wrong time. What? What is she saying? She may have startled the man. You mean the illegal immigrant who was there with a mask on, who chased her and shot her from behind? What are you saying? She has completely recast what happened as just an accidental startling. Leaving out, of course, that this was an illegal to begin with. That now that she said something that outrageous, even the Chicago press is calling her, saying, are you. Are you a fucking idiot? Sorry, that's my term. And she's gone totally dark. She won't take calls. Her office won't respond. Get out there and do better. Ma', am, this is. You owe this to your constituents. You owe it to Sheridan. How dare you paint it as this. Oh, an accidental startling, you know, by. By some law abiding citizen who happened to have his gun. He chased her, he shot her as she was running away. She did absolutely nothing wrong. How dare you. We were planning on leading with this story all morning, and we're working on our opening here. And about a half an hour before we went to air, something heartbreaking happened. We received an email to our show account. You can email me meganaganekelly.com that goes to our show account. And I have a great gal named Meg Storm who takes in all the emails for me and then sends them to me. And the email that we received took my breath away. It was from a friend of Sheridan's mom, Jessica. The mom is Jessica. It turns out Jessica went to our show and in Westchester this past fall when we took the show on the road, Jessica's friend Stacy sent along these photos. Stacy is the brunette. She's the friend who sent us the emails. And Sheridan's mom, Jessica is on screen right in the striped jacket. The other woman on screen left is Jessica's twin sister, Nicole. And they look so much alike. So you probably could figure that out on your own. Look at them. Look at Jessica. She's wearing her red, white and blue, loud and proud. So much pride in this nation, which she clearly loves. All that it could offer her and her family, her sweet daughter Sheridan, who she was probably so excited to see off to college and probably had that tearful goodbye that moms and daughters have and that moms have in general with their kids when they send them off to a school on a different part of the country and pray that they'll be safe. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, Jessica. I'm sorry this happened to your daughter and your family. I'm sorry that the Democrat Party did not protect beautiful Sheridan. And I promise to do what Stacey asked us to do in her email to our show, which was to use this platform to help you get justice for your daughter and to do what we can to make sure no one else's child is taken too soon by someone who has no right to be here and to hold the politicians accountable who caused it and minimize it and therefore set another person up for disaster in the United States. Joining me now for reaction to this and more, it's an NR day here at the MK Show, National Review Editor in Chief Rich Lowry and National Review Senior writer Michael Brendan Dougherty, or as we call him, mbd, become an NR member today and find all of their work. You've been hearing me talk about PureTalk a lot lately. Pure Talk is veteran led, so helping veterans is their North Star. They have donated over half a million bucks to America's Warrior Partnership. That's a fantastic organization that's on the front lines of preventing veteran suicide. And PureTalk's creating American jobs with a US only workforce. Yes, it would be a lot cheaper to send jobs overseas like other companies do, but they are committed to delivering the best experience possible for their customers. And PureTalk's service, they give you the same towers, the Same network, same 5G coverage as one of the big guys, but for a fraction of the price. PureTalk supports veterans every single day and creates American jobs. If you want to give it a shot, dial £250 and say Megyn Kelly to switch to PureTalk. That's £250 and just say Megyn Kelly to switch over to PureTalk America's wireless company. Pure Talk. It's infuriating. It's infuriating, Rich, when you see the actual human toll of the Joe Biden policies, which we've talked about at length, and the reaction from Pritzker and the Nothing from Mayor Brendan Johnson. Your thoughts?

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Yeah. Well, it used to be a taboo that you just. You couldn't talk about these cases until Donald Trump started talking about them and angel moms and dads when he first rose to prominence about 10 years ago. And this doesn't mean that all illegal immigrants are murderers or terrible criminals, obviously, but the other side won't acknowledge that. It's a unique tragedy when you have someone who shouldn't have been in the country in the first place snuffing out a young life like this. And it isn't, though. This guy was a mastermind and snuck past our authorities. We caught him and then we released him, and then he was caught in shoplifting as well. And this just goes. There's been a big debate over the data over how many deported illegal immigrants are criminals or not. The number that are actually violent criminals is fairly low. I don't know what it is, 7 or 8%, but there's a huge percentage that have committed other crimes besides being here illegally, and they should all be detained and go as well. So this never should have happened. The people who are in favor of an open border and letting people like this stay in the country are partly responsible. And as you point out, they should at least acknowledge what happened and just saying, wrong place, wrong time. Like, she was in the worst part of south side Chicago, and something awful happened, which would be terrible enough. She was walking towards the beach on a nice night with friends and this guy ambush them out of nowhere. Totally disgusting and shameful and heartbreaking, you know.

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MBD contributor to Newsmax named Jerry Callahan summed it up well. On X on Monday, he writes as follows. She didn't drive her car at an ICE agent. She wasn't assaulting ICE agents. She didn't lose her life while obstructing law enforcement. She was murdered by an illegal alien criminal, the kind of person Renee Goode and Alex Preddy were trying to protect. So, of course Democrats don't give a shit about Sheridan Gorman. There'll be no protests in the street for her. There'll be no memorial, no national memorial where they'll line up to lay wreaths. You won't see her face all over MSNBC or cnn. She'll be ignored because this is an inconvenient piece of the narrative for those who want to lionize the Alex Preddys of the world.

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Yeah, it is abominable. I mean, to say she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Why was it the wrong place? It's the wrong place. Because Chicago doesn't cooperate with ice, because the state of Illinois doesn't cooperate with law enforcement on immigration. Why was it the wrong time? Because it was a few years after Joe Biden let in maybe 10 million or more unvetted illegal immigrants. And Republicans aren't off the hook either. Republicans have basically said, and Donald Trump has basically indicated that there's not going to be enforcement in workplaces like agriculture or meatpacking or in the hotel business and the hospitality industry. And this just creates these zones of lawlessness. And this can touch anyone. I grew up in a hometown where a mother and daughter were killed by a drunk driving illegal immigrant as they were exiting a dance studio and they were buried together. This was in 2009 in Brewster, New York. And you know, the, the, the illegal Guatemalan immigrant who did that had, you know, been known to local law enforcement for years, as many of illegal immigrants were known just for living rowdy and lawlessly in an illegally rented apartment, you know, rented to many, many men beyond legal capacity by a landlord who was profiting illegally and hired out to do illegal labor. This is a kind of the lawlessness spreads. And this is the price of it in the end is, you know, people think it's just we're getting cheap labor, cheap exploitable labor, you know, landscapers and meat packers and people that work at hotels quietly. And we do. But we also get this lawlessness, this, this, we also get the New York Times, not worth it, the New York Times reported. We get violation of child labor laws because the Biden administration let in so many illegal immigrants who were minors that couldn't be put anywhere and they were put to illegal work and dangerous work in this country. It's an offense against the laws we make and the laws we make to live in a decent society. And we're basically saying that these people should live indecently. And then we pretend to be shocked at the crime that happens as a result. It's beyond reckoning. And I think this should be hung on every politician who wants to back off of this effort to bring law and order to our society, to bring people into legal conformity, to live in a republic as full citizens. And that means not being preyed upon by criminal aliens. It means not being undercut by them in the labor market. It means, you know, it means a land that's governed by our laws. And you know, this is just a, a truly awful story and you are so right to drive home the, the, the faces, the, the real names behind the story, because otherwise it's Just going to become, you know, a statistic.

[A]

Just, you know, no, we're not going to let it just dismiss wrong place. Like I said, we were going to cover this anyway. But knowing Jessica's part of the MK show community and came out to the tour with her friends, like, I, I refuse. Over my dead body will this story fall out of the headlines now. I will make sure. I will absolutely make sure. And if JB Pritzker has the balls to actually run for president without making this a massive mea culpa before, during, and potentially after, I'll be all over him. I mean, we'll call his office every day. I don't care. This is so. I'm sick and tired of this. I've talked to too many of these moms, you know, and I think about, you know, Jessica attending to our show in White Plains where we talked about a lot. That was with Tucker Carlson. We talked about a lot, including illegal immigration. And she's sitting there and listening to this discussion and having no idea that her daughter and her family will be the victims of one of these people in just a few short months. It makes my stomach turn. And Rich, it's not just in a problem with illegal immigration, as I point out. You know, why, why was this guy, like, lingering where young people fraternize on the lakefront in a mask with a loaded gun while he's in illegal with an arrest record. Like, why? Yeah, right. Because I'm going to guess if they had adequate police presence there, they wouldn't have let somebody who is clearly an illegal, who I guarantee you spoke very little English, if any, sit there with a mask and a loaded gun where our youth hang out. And all I can think about is that that interview that J.B. pritzker gave to the local, we actually pulled it. It's the local NBC 5 Chicago. Her name is Marianne Ahern and she pressed him on the violence in Chicago. This is months ago, September of 2025. And listen how cavalier Governor Pritzker was. Listen, you're going to hear people, especially this past weekend, 54 shot, seven dead.

[B]

Yeah.

[A]

They're going to say the city's not safe. Would you ask your friends to ride the L after midnight or after, you know, 9 o' clock at night even to come down to the city from o'. Hare?

[B]

Look, big cities have crime, there's no doubt about it. But let's just pay attention to what President Trump is doing targeting Chicago. He's overlooking red states that have much higher crime rates.

[A]

Just total deflection. Rich Total deflection, no responsibility.

[C]

Yeah. So this is a classic instance also of why a broken windows approach to policing makes sense. You police small acts of disorder to keep worse things from happening. So if you just basically don't have tolerance for strange guys hanging around with loitering in masks in places they shouldn't be, this might not happen. I have a friend who was nearly attacked by someone in New York City. It was in a public park where a bunch of kids were out drinking. Is rich. How do we stop things like this from happening? Well, you stop the drinking, right? You stop the drinking and then people are out of control and something worse doesn't happen. And one reason, Megan, just going back to the foundational point here, that the left can't properly account for these incidents, can't tell the truth about them, can't express the appropriate outrage, is because the wrong people are the victims and the perpetrators. Right. So the illegal immigrants are a victim class. They are high up there in the hierarchy of victims for the left. So they can't process illegal immigrants, commits a crime like this. Reminds me a little bit of the Muslim bomb throwers in New York City a couple weeks ago where all the headlines and a lot of the commentary suggested that it was the anti Mamdani protesters who must have been responsible for the bombing. Right. Instead of the Muslim guys shouting Allah Akbar and same thing here. This guy was a menace. Never should have been in the country. He's an illegal immigrant. It was a horror and a disgrace. And they can't get there just because once they hear illegal immigrant. And of course they won't even say that phrase undocumented immigrant. It's, it's, let's, let's not cast aspersions on, on these people.

[A]

Well, they won't, they won't even go that far. First of all, I totally agree with everything you just said. And this, this progressive Democrat Maria Haddon, who we played the sound bite from wrong place, wrong time. I guarantee you the message would have been totally different had Sheridan been black. Now the hierarchies change again.

[C]

Shot now.

[A]

She's invested. Shot in the back now. Yeah, exactly now. Because now, like I'm sure in this woman's mind, any black American is actually valued more than a white American. And when you're doing the progressive hierarchy, illegal immigrant, brown skin from Venezuela definitely is over white girl from Westchester, but is not over black girl from Chicago. And I guarantee you this is the way Maria Haddon thinks. And so she would have expressed outrage. She would have had the right, the Right tone. She wouldn't have pulled any about wrong place, wrong time. She must have just startled him. Absolutely not. We looked at this woman's history. She. It's right out of central casting. Of course. She's got like the resume that you would expect. She's a Democrat. She was the first elected city council in 2019. Graduate of Ohio State. From her campaign website, they tell us she's the first black queer woman elected to Chicago City Council. A servant leader with a background. Now listen to this. This is a bunch of words and that say nothing other than she's utterly unqualified. This is. This is like progressive speak for nothingness. A servant leader with a background in community organizing and participatory democracy. Maria has become an independent, progressive champion of the people in city council who advocates for not just her ward, but communities across Chicago. Before becoming alderwoman, Maria Hadden was the executive director of our city, Our Voice. Again, more gobbledygo coming your way. A national nonprofit organization she founded to enable communities and local governments across the country to redesign democracy for more empowered and equitable participation. What? Here it goes again. Her expertise in public participation is grounded in grassroots organizing efforts for social change. She goes on. She's a member of Local Progress, a movement of local elected officials advancing a racial and economic justice agenda through all levels of government. It goes on and on like this for paragraphs. Rich, to your point of. There's she. She's a know nothing.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

Who has advanced only one thing throughout her entire career. And it appears to be some racial hierarchy which she is now applying to. To Sheridan Gorman, a dead constituent who is 18 and deserves better.

[C]

Yeah. So Antonin Scalia said, the longer the introduction for someone at an event, the less consequential they are. And if you apply the same rule to a bio.

[A]

This is the.

[C]

This person is a total non. Entity. It's all meaningless phrases and all suggesting. Right. It's just another way of saying she has this perverse racialist view of looking at the world that you outlined, where the whites are the oppressors. If a white girl is victimized by a terrible crime, she was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Kind of by definition. It is a twisted and perverse way to look at the world.

[A]

Here is MBD, this same older woman, Maria Hadden, on January 21st. She's talking about Holocaust remembrance. Holocaust remembrance resolution. Listen here. Saat 3, Holocaust Remembrance Day and the visits that I've gone and all the efforts for lifting up the stories of the survivors and of the People who didn't survive, I think, are core to the American experience that I have as well. Because as a black American, we are always looking to our past to center ourselves in the fights that we also still face. We have a president in this land that is demonizing people that don't look like him. We've seen that before. And right now we have ethnic cleansing, xenophobia, anti blackness, anti poverty happening and being carried out by our government. They are acting against us. They are stealing our people, they are kidnapping them, and they are trampling our rights. And what's next? Okay, where's that passion to blame government when we really need it and the government happens to be Democrat?

[B]

I mean, if you ever catch yourself saying that you're inspired by the Holocaust stories because they remind you of your own story, just stop talking.

[A]

Center yourself.

[B]

Stop talking.

[A]

Yes.

[B]

I mean, and by the way, her background suggests another angle to this story, which is also under explored. So I bet you if you go and look at the background of the nonprofit organizations she's been a part of, I would bet you anything they are listed as a partner organization to another nonprofit that coordinates services for illegal aliens. In every region of this country, there are nonprofit organizations funded by leftist billionaires that connect churches, immigration lawyers, illegal landlords, illegal employers, other nonprofits, basically what they do is they engage in a legal conspiracy to evade the law. Each of the nosies, who is a mandatory reporter or who is obliged by the law to say this or that, or who is not obliged to say this or that. Everyone is coordinated to protect illegal landlords from inspections, illegal employers from law enforcement, or to guide people the right way to coach illegal immigrants, not to incriminate themselves if they're asked questions by law enforcement. And this is everywhere. And it involves, you know, there's a. There's a local group in my town that does this. I'm sure there's one in yours. And I would bet you anything that the same people donating to this Alder woman's campaign donate to these organizations, work for them, and profit from them. I mean, that's the other thing, is that they're. They're protecting a massive profit center for not just the illegal landlords and illegal employers, but also for the lawyers and other. And, you know, the other nonprofits who justify themselves to their donors by saying, I helped 300 people this year basically evade law enforcement.

[A]

And, and now, unfortunately for Maria, we are going to start digging now. We're interested. So she's not going to be able to just coast along as Chicago Alder woman responsible to no one. We will be calling attention to whether she's connected with such groups and what else she has to say. She's not gonna get away with leaving it as at wrong place, wrong time. I don't care if we have to call her office every single day for the next year. That's what's going to happen. This woman will amend that statement to, to offer the proper empathy or she will never stop hearing from us. This is insane. We can't allow them to get away with this. And the media. So far, Rich has been predictably awful. NR had an article about it yesterday. So far though, just FYI, the Washington Post, zero coverage, zero. The ap, zero. Npr, zero. The New York Times coverage from Sunday says suspect in Chicago students killing was in US illegally. DHS says, okay, that's not bad. Then there's a sub headline. Sheridan Gorman, 18, was killed last week near Loyola University Chicago. The Trump administration has sought to highlight crimes committed by undocumented people in its deportation campaign. It's Republicans pounds with different words. And then you guys pointed out in your editorial how the Chicago Tribune, they went with, okay, first of all, they failed to get this Medina's immigration status into their headline. And it's missing from the article about his arrest entirely more than 24 hours after that status had been revealed by DHS. So they just refer to him as Rogers park man in Loyola slang. Rogers park man. Then finally there was a follow up story that makes a reference to the fact that he was here illegally. And yet it still does not name him. Doesn't name him. Cbs no better reporting suspect due in court in Chicago shooting that killed Loyola University freshman Sheridan Gorman. Readers had to wait until the 10th paragraph to find out he was here illegally. This is like, so that's the New York Times with Republicans pounce. Chicago Tribune won't even tell you he's an. He's an illegal. CBS waits until the 10th paragraph and. And that's better than WaPo, AP and NPR, which ignored the story altogether.

[C]

Yeah. So it's not just bearing the lead, it's suppressing the lead or pretending the lead doesn't exist because it's of intense interest to people that this guy is an illegal immigrant. But they don't want to acknowledge it because they share largely the worldview that we've been talking about. And that subhead you read, I think from the New York Times, that's, that's the kind of coverage you're going to get in a couple of days, Right? It's all Going to be Republicans pounce kind of coverage. And going back to that, that older woman, you know, the viewpoint she has, and this really underlies so much of this is basically, you know, the old line first, first they came for whoever and then they came. First they came for the Jews and they came for you. That's how they think of illegal immigrants. First they come for illegal immigrants. And this is the cusp of a massive totalitarian fascist crackdown. So they view guys like this as the equivalent of Anne Frank. Right? They should be protect. Not only should they not be arrested, they should be affirmatively protected, hidden in someone's metaphorical attic because it's inherently wrong and fascistic to enforce our borders and immigration laws.

[A]

It's so infuriating. I mean, it just feels like nothing's going to change. It really does. Like he's going to get JV Pritzker. He will get away with this, you know, I mean, he will. He's probably running for president at any CNN debate because they don't give the Dem debates, the primary debates I'm talking about to Fox News. They don't give them to the Megyn Kelly's of the world. They don't give them the rich Lowry's and MBD's. They give them to CNN and MSNBC. No one's gonna ask him. No one is going to ask him this question because it's Team Blue that's in favor of the open border and not holding anybody to account. They'd much rather talk about Alex Preddy and Renee Goode than Sheridan Gorman. It's just, it's, it's just so infuriating on the subject of. I guess we'll stay with Democrat presidential possibilities. Something bizarre with Gavin Newsom. I don't totally understand what he's doing here, but maybe you guys can enlighten me. He decided to put out this picture of himself. It was a tweet as half of the face and Christian Bale, who played serial killer Patrick Bateman in American Psycho, as the other half. And in his caption he doesn't say, here I am with Christian Bale. He highlights the fact that he's splitting the face with the serial killer, the fictional character Patrick Bateman, he writes. For so many years, people have been saying that Patrick Bateman and I, who is not a real person, look alike. Now this pic has been going all over the place. What do you think? And clearly he just wants people to tell him he looks hot because, you know, Christian Bale is hot and way hotter than Gavin Newsom and then, you know, many people were commenting, like Tom Elliott, who responded, your psychiatrist misses you. Another posted a picture of Gavin Newsom next to Beavis from Beavis and Butthead, saying, this actually is a more spot on likeness. And I have to agree. Take a look at it, you guys. You tell me. I mean, it's spot on, but this is like some sort of a flex, I guess. I don't know. Rich, is it a flex? What is it?

[C]

I think he's. He's just adopted the approach. Right. And there's something to be said for it. Any attention is good attention on social media. And it's a little bit like, you know, Ted Cruz playing around with the idea that he's. He's really the Zodiac Killer, which is something thrown at him by. By critics, and then he's. He's gone with it at times. So I think Newsom is a threat because he has a kind of charisma. I'm. I'm immune, totally immune to his charm. And I consider him so oliginous. He's basically like a walking fire hazard at any moment, you know, but the part of the name of the game in presidential politics is just being more likable and having more of that X factor than anyone else. And Newsom, at least, I hate to say, is in. In that game. Whereas Pritzker.

[A]

No, you're right. He's. He's trying to say I've got main character energy. That's what he's trying to say there. I got all the kid terms down here. And here is who he would like you to think. He. He reminds you of mbd. Just a reminder. This is from the American Psycho trailer. I feel lethal, on the verge of frenzy. I think my mask of sanity is about to slip.

[C]

Do you have any witnesses or fingerprints?

[A]

Actually, yes.

[B]

Hmm. You're inhuman.

[A]

I know. My behavior can be erratic sometimes.

[B]

Hey, Paul.

[C]

I just had to kill a lot of people.

[A]

I mean, I'm just thinking, mvd, if they bring you on the Newsom campaign, you're not going to encourage this line of promo.

[B]

Well, you might be surprised. Oh, yeah. Okay, so it's very funny. Patrick Bateman was written to satirize the Reagan era 80s. He's Wall Streeter, obsessed with his pinstripe suits, his business, you know, the. The tasteful thickness of business cards and, you know, scoring cocaine. And then he fantasizes about killing his colleagues and prostitutes in his psychotic dreams. And, you know, the idea is that he has this mask of a friendly, young, successful, you know, young urban professional, but underneath is a kind of insatiable bloodlust and will for power. A politician would normally never dare compare themselves to this kind of person because it's so incriminating and because politicians themselves are thought of to be these masks hiding unbelievably perverse urges and ambitions and desires. But in a way, like, I think Rich is right and you're right, there's main character energy here and he's embracing it in a way that's like, I'm funny, I'm not afraid. I'm willing to take a joke at my own expense, even, even a sick one. And yeah, I think it's. I actually think it shows.

[A]

And on top of that, yeah, got himself a segment on the MK show.

[C]

Yeah.

[A]

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[B]

Going to continue to pray for those victims.

[C]

Will you take this opportunity to apologize to Sheridan's parents for the policies that

[B]

you promoted that have, that would directly caused her death?

[A]

That suspect would not be in the city, would not be in the country. But for your policies, will you take this opportunity to apologize?

[B]

Well, again, I believe that we're all, we're all grieving the loss of Sheridan and other folks who have lost their

[A]

lives because of senses violence.

[B]

And let's just be very clear between the Safety act and the Welcoming City Ordinance. The Welcoming City ordinance was passed 40 years ago by the first black mayor in the history of Chicago. And the Safety act was passed under the governor at that time, who was Republican. Governor Rauner, thank you for your questions to Sheridan. Hi Mayor. You have nothing to say?

[A]

So he walked. He won't apologize to Sheridan's parents. He won't even acknowledge her by name. He just said we're all grieving Sheridan and others too. We're all grieving and others too. So he has to lump her death in with just random other acts of violence in Chicago. And that's how he describes. It's just senseless violence. Nothing about the guy being an illegal and only reference those two laws because the reporter who was a hero, we're trying to find out who that was raised the sanctuary city policies and he's like somebody else passed those as if this guy isn't fully behind them. This is just not it. He's a disgusting disappointment. Chicago. I don't know how you did this to yourselves with this Mayor. Your governor's equally bad. Good luck with that. But the governor wants a promotion to president. I mean he's definitely getting ready to run mbd Governor Pritzker. And he's not the only one. And there was a very interesting piece in Axios that highlighted how three of the main expected Democratic presidential candidates are leaning into their quote, childhood traumas as a way of Introducing themselves to their constituents. And I have to say, totally on brand for Democrats. Like, yeah, you know what? If you're gonna run as a Republican, this is definitely not the way. But as a Dem, yeah, they like their men super effeminate and tearful and full of trauma. So here's how they're doing it. Governor Josh Shapiro of Pennsylvania. He has just released a book not long ago, and this is what, how Axios describes his pitch. He writes about that he had a happy childhood and at points, an unhappy childhood home. It all comes down to the mother, of course. He says his mother, Judy, poor Judy, could be unstable and that he and his siblings believed that if we were good, we could stop the chaos and the yelling. Shapiro notes that he wrestled with whether to discuss such private family matters. Right on, Josh. Those are the right instincts. This is not for public consumption. But ultimately did so because Democrats wanted him to. No, because others have lived through similar experiences and because his mother's behavior influenced his leadership style. You see, he says it explains why I always sought to solve problems. I had to anticipate a problem or a pain point before there was a blow up. There was this exchange when CBS Gayle King pressed him on that passage last month. Watch.

[B]

My mom taught me to be a fighter. My mom taught me to be someone who looked out for others. And in many ways, and I hope she's able to see this one day. My mom is the hero in that book and I would not be here but for what she taught me.

[A]

Okay, Remember, like the Kennedys of the world, where they had more family drama than any family ever born in America. And they shoved it under the rug like good American people. Like, I was gonna say Presbyterians, which is what Doug is, but no, they're Catholic like you and me, mvd. And they also believed in shoving baggage away. That was the way to do it. There was lots to discuss and blame your problems on or to relate to people with. But there used to be a stiff upper lip like vein running through American politics, and it's gone now. At least for the Democrat Party.

[B]

Yeah, it is. In the contrast with the Republicans. Couldn't be more stark. I mean, you have Donald Trump, who ran as a successful billionaire real estate developer who recovered from multiple bankruptcies. You know, never let him get down. Before him, you had Mitt Romney, you know, another entirely successful businessman and a grandfather to like an entire tribe of young businessmen and successful people. And before him, war hero John McCain, you know, survivor of Hanoi Hilton and someone who'd never cried about it. Either. And now you get Democrats basically trying to run and say I'm not privileged. Like, I'm not in any way privileged. You have guys like, you know, Governor Andy Bashir who likes to take pot shots at JD Vance and talks about like, oh, you know, he's, he's making fun of my people, the poor Appalachians. You know, it's like your people, like you grew up in the governor's mansion. Like, you.

[A]

Right.

[B]

Couldn't have been a child of more privilege than he was. You know, it is this, this weird thing of like there's a kind of bonding and heroism in mental dysfunction and, you know, the struggle to cope with life as it is. That is really. Yeah. Kind of embarrassing. Like, talk to your life coach about it or like, you know, if you, if you no longer have the big giant Kennedy clan family, like, I don't know, just pour it into chatgpt, like, just don't bother the whole about it.

[A]

I actually have several girlfriends who do that and they are convinced chat is like giving them really good advice. But I, I agree with what you said and it was actually a very important point. It was a very important point about that. This is actually not a healthy thing to do. Like to spend all this time ruminating over your childhood trauma. You know, like you said, tell it to your therapist or whatever. But I don't even know if that's a great idea. I have a great therapist who doesn't allow this kind of thing at all. Like, whenever you sort of give him a pity point, he redirects you to like forward looking action. You know what I mean? Like choices you can make that assume personal responsibility. And I love him for that. But we don't do rumination. And this is what the Democrats want to do. They want to do it from public office. They want to do it while running for public office. They consider themselves the empathetic ones. Rich, this was a very widely circulated clip of Abigail Shrier, who wrote a great book about the dangers of rumination and went on Joe Rogan and discussed it and listen to how she explained it here.

[B]

You know, I never really considered that until your book. Until I heard the title of your

[C]

book and I read the synopsis of

[B]

it, I never really considered it.

[C]

I never considered that thinking about your

[B]

problems all the time and talking about your problems all the time literally make the problems grow.

[A]

That's right. I mean, it's the number one symptom of depression is what they call rumination, this pathological obsessing over your pain.

[C]

That's why stuff like exercise. That's one of the reasons, aside from

[A]

chemical reasons, one of the reasons that doing anything, you know, that running errands is good for your mental health, getting

[C]

out of your house and accomplishing anything is good for you.

[A]

But sitting around talking and thinking about

[C]

your problems, that's a bad habit. And the best cognitive behavioral therapists and

[A]

others, you know, the dialectical behavioral therapists, the ones who do really well with depression, the first thing they do is

[C]

try to break that bad pattern.

[A]

But a lot of therapists just indulge it. So, I mean, it's an interesting psychological discussion. Right, Rich? But it's like it actually is relevant because this is what the Democrat party writ large has been doing for years now. I mean, how long would it take you to find 20 TikTok videos of leftist women crying about their made up problems or their fake disorders or listing? And there'll be multiple. It's not going to be one thing. It's going to be like five disorders that they've got that they need you to know about, which make them special, which just leads on to the cycle. And then they have to elect leaders now who are starting to talk like them as opposed to pull up your bootstraps, you know, put your big girl pants on and get out there.

[C]

Yeah, they've all driven and participated in this culture of therapy. And not only is it not good for you, I assume that Josh Shapiro's mother's still living. If you have to say, oh, I hope she'll one day see that what I said in my book wasn't insulting to her and that she's the actual hero, you shouldn't have said it. You shouldn't have said it. It's disgusting.

[A]

Wait, there's more on that. Wait, let me just add to that. Rich, forgive me for the interruption, but on Mother's Day last year, he posted on X Axios, pointing out this was evident. He expressed gratitude to his mother in law, quote, who showed me unconditional love. What did he say about his mom? She raised me to care about the world around me.

[C]

Throwing shade at his mom on X,

[A]

he damned her with faint praise.

[C]

I lost my mother several years ago. He could have put a gun to my head and I never would have said a disparaging word about her. So there's also. So this is part of our culture where we think being revelatory and being authentic or quote unquote authentic are healthier and more courageous. And I just don't think that's necessarily true. And this was really brought home to me. I went to Hyde park, home of FDR a while ago, and they showed us his study. And of course, he was paralyzed after this awful bout with polio. And what he would do when visitors came in, they'd roll him down a ramp. The ramp would collapse, and it would be normal stairs when the visitor came. And they'd roll him behind a desk, get him into a chair, and he'd play around with the stamp collection. And this was so painful for him. He could only do it for, like, 20 minutes or so. And the person would come in and have no idea there's anything wrong with him. He was such a bubbly personality that he would just talk the whole time, and no one would think, oh, he's not walking around the room. He's not really moving. And then after 20 minutes, the person would be ushered out, the steps would go up, the ramp would come. And that was artifice, but also extremely courageous. He'd give speeches standing, you know, with his arms almost giving out because he was so obsessed with not seeming like a victim. And a more recent example of this, MBD, mentioned John McCain. I was covering him. I don't know. I think it was in 2000, and I was on the press bus with McCain. Early stages of campaign, where you're really intimate with candidate. And all the reporters have left. And I left my notebook or something or tape recorder. So I went back after all the reporters were supposed to have left this van. And he was sitting in the back with an aide combing his hair. And I asked someone, why is an aide combing his hair? He can't lift his arms above here. But he didn't want people to know. He didn't want to advertise that because he was not a victim. Right. So that's the way in which I think this whole approach to life and how people deal with hardships is misbegotten.

[A]

This. That reminded me of something that happened in the Fox News. Forgive me, because I'm not gonna remember the guy's name right now, but we were covering Bridgegate with Chris Christie, remember where they intentionally shut down the traffic over the bridge? And everybody was very angry at Chris Christie, and it kind of ruined his presidential chances. It was a big scandal years ago anyway, we were having a Democrat politician from New Jersey on to talk about the scandal. And we were broadcasting from a Fox News tent in Times Square, not from the Fox News studio because we were hosting the super bowl that year at Fox, and it was like a promos or football's Everywhere I was like, get excited. So whatever. We were a little off site in a weird venue. Well, he comes over, he sits, he goes like up the stairs he comes. He sits next to me. And during the segment, I'm interviewing him and he's not looking at me. He keeps looking into the camera. Which you should look into the camera when you're remote like you guys are. You know that it's weird if you're not looking at the camera. But if we're sitting together on the set, you should look at the anchor. Cause that's what the audience understands conversation will look like. Well, he wasn't looking at me. He kept looking at the camera. And then like when we. When we had a moment like where the mics were down and somebody else is talking, I'm like, it's okay, you can look at me. Just to try to make the shot look better. Long story short, I later found out he would have looked at me, but he was blind. He was blind. He's legally blind. He actually had had like. Normally he would be using a cane. Someone unbeknownst to me, cause I wasn't watching, helped him get on the set very subtly. And I felt so bad that I had been like telling him where to look. No one told me he was blind. I called him right after the segment. I'm like, please forgive me. I had no idea. And he was so sweet. He was like, I didn't want you to know. He was like, I don't want anybody to know. I like to sort of just deal with it and project as well as I can that I'm a seeing sighted person. And then of course, because I have this thing of sticking my foot in my mouth all the time, I'm like, did you see that article in the New York Times this morning? Just kept saying the word see, you know, like it triple down, like, stop. Somebody stop me anyway.

[C]

Yeah. You know who's one of the great contemporary American figures in terms of exemplifying this anti victimhood mentality we're talking about is Thomas Sowell. Right? You read about Thomas Sowell and people discriminated against him. Facing racism, his attitude was always, f you. It's on you, not on me, Right?

[A]

Yes.

[C]

And if we had more of that across the country, it'd be a very good thing.

[A]

And speaking of incredible black scholars and leaders from whom we can learn a lot. Eli Steele and Shelby Steele and his son Eli. The same. Eli's. He can't hear. And he came on the program once. It was when we were just an audio podcast. Actually reduced me to tears when I found out, like, he wanted to do it. We didn't have video, you guys, so you couldn't see me. He couldn't read my lips, so he had to put on, like, this device. And he was using his cochlear implants, and he was struggling to hear what I had to say. All of which I did not know you could tell. Obviously, I knew he had a hearing problem because he. The way he speaks is a little off and. But he then confessed at the end of the interview. You know, thank you so much for having us. I really appreciate you letting us promote their documentary, which everybody should go see, called what Killed Michael Brown. It had been banned from Amazon. And it's a great, great look at Ferguson, Missouri, and race relations in America and what really got us here. And I said, I'm gonna make a confession to you. I. I almost. I almost canceled because I wasn't sure if the audience is gonna be able to understand you. And he said, I can. I wanna tell you that everyone else did. Everyone canceled us as soon as they found out about my problem. And then we had this long discussion about how his dad, Shelby, another civil rights leader but more heterodox than his thought, like Thomas Sowell, refused to do sign language. He insisted that Eli grow up learning to read lips. He wanted him to be able to function in a hearing world. It's just such a different mindset than what we're seeing now. And not to pile on to Josh Shapiro, because back to our friend Gavin Newsom, MBD's candidate in 2028.

[C]

Rich Newsom Bateman, 2028.

[A]

He's doing it, too. And so is JB Pritzker. Like, literally one of the richest men in the world, wants us to remember his childhood trauma. And I'll give you the examples here. Here's Gavin Newsom. He also has a new book, Young man in a Hurry. In it, he recalls having dyslexia and how his mother, Tessa, tried to console him over his struggles in school. Rich. She said something he. He recalls as no crueler words could. Could be spoken. What did she say to little Gavin? It's okay to be average Gavin. No crueler words. Try spend a day in the Kelly household. Gavin Newsom. My parents were, like. Took one look at me, and they're like, she's gonna be with us for. And then they told me I wasn't special. All the things. It wasn't cruel. It was actually real and gave me goals. And he says, after his parents divorce. His father, Bill was often absent, rich, leaving Gavin looking to give his father reasons to be a bigger part of his life. So there he was, poor, average Gavin with a cruel moment and an absentee dad leaving him, just looking to find someone, a father figure, to be a bigger part of his life. Well, what do we know was actually true in the case of Gavin Newsom? This is how he found himself. This was his solution, and it was actually a really, really great one. Take a look at the magazine article that documented exactly how Gavin Newsom dealt with his very cruel mom and his absentee dad. Here it is for listening audience. He appears in a magazine and it's titled Children of the Rich. And he is there with all the Gettys, all the Getty children. Rich, like another American iconic family, like the Astors, like the Vanderbilts. And he wants us to feel sorry for him because his mom said one thing, trying to make him feel better about his dyslexia that he thought was insensitive. And his dad was somewhat absentee after the divorce. Boo fucking ho.

[C]

Yeah. This guy is never going to convince anyone he suffered any hardship. By the way, the. The harshest thing I've heard recently that any parent has ever said to a kid. We were all Inspired by the US hockey victory in the Olympics. Prior victory in 1980. The coach of that team, Herb Brooks, was cut from the 1960 U.S. olympic team. That team goes on to win the gold medal while he's sitting there watching at home with his dad. He was the last guy cut from the team. And after they win the gold medal, his dad turns to him and said, son, I think they cut the right guy.

[A]

Oh, that's.

[C]

And this inspired him to be very tough on that team in 1980 and whip it into shape and win a gold medal another way. But I'm not. I'm not shedding any tears for Gavin Newsom. And, you know, if he wins the presidency, it's because the entire country looks at the example of California and says it's okay to be below average Governor Newsom.

[A]

Yeah, right, right. The mother was actually sugarcoating it. Mbd, JB Pritzker has not written a memoir, but he has spoken openly about losing his dad, Donald, to a heart attack when he was 7. That's sad. And his mother to alcoholism when he was 17. All right, that those are legit tragedies. He recalled his mother in an interview with the New York Times, sue trying to explain her alcoholism when he was eight or nine, promising to overcome it. But unfortunately, he said she was never able to. It overcame her and took her life. That is very sad, but it's going to be a very tough sell. Because the reason JB Pritzker is telling this story, mbd is because he literally has had one of the most privileged lives a human being can have on earth in the modern day world. He is the heir to the Hyatt Hotel fortune. He is rolling in dough. I mean, it's everywhere around him and it always has been. And so now he's had. He has to find another way to make us feel sorry for him because his dad died when he was young and his mom was an alcoholic, which I'm sorry, but that actually is a very common story in America. And I, I just, I don't see it happening where people are going to say, notwithstanding the billions, he's just like me.

[B]

Yeah, it's not gonna make him relatable in any way. And it is sad in a way. I mean, I think that, you know, it's not just a reflection of, you know, individual bad character, but I think it shows a society that one is careless with people's reputations, right? That like people are careless with their parents reputations. And it's also one. I think it reflects a loss of faith in, you know, providence that, you know, the, the kind of better belief that nothing is going to happen to you in this life without the loving permission of God behind it. And if you believe that, then all of the like tragedies in your life are in some way ordered to your final good and salvation. And that's why people write their memoirs at the end of life, usually because that's when it becomes clearer that these obstacles, tensions or tragedies actually brought about something great or good or necessary in their life over the long run. But instead we get this wallowing in the pain, which again does no one good. And I think it's literally a drag, like literally an emotional drag, but also like a spiritual drag down from a noble tradition of honoring our parents and having faith in that our life has a meaning and that these tragedies give it that meaning to something else, like more nihilistic, more despairing and you know, like the only way we can relate to each other is through wallowing in meaninglessness and in upset and terror at the universe. It's all right.

[A]

I have a follow up for you. I have a follow up for you though. Is there any chance that this is playing the long game? Because they're calculating. Their likely opponent is either someone named JD Vance or Someone named Marco Rubio, both of whom have amazing origin stories that are legit and pretty well known at this point.

[B]

Yeah, I think that is a huge part of it. And you know, Vance and Rubio both now have kind of, their stories are kind of merging in some ways. Like, you know, the story is like, I come from a working class background. I come from people that struggled and saw struggle. And yeah, there might have been a year where Vance lived in a house that was in total income, got to six figures. A lot of working class families live like that. If you're an oil, you know, if you're a rigger, if you're in some, you know, kind of dangerous factory work, but of course, you know, you're also then dependent people that in your whole community depend on you to help them out when they have less. And those are powerful stories. You know, the barman son in the case of Marco Rubio, or, you know, again, in the case of Vance, the son of an alcoholic. Another absent father, but someone who rose up and like, used the existing institutions of American meritocracy to rise above. That's much more powerful than anything Andy Beshear is going to tell you. It's like I grew up in the governor's mansion and then I graduated into it. Like, woo hoo, yay me. I mean, a lot of stories are homecomings, but it's usually not that literal. And you know, and it's the same thing with, with Pritzker, which is like, I was born to basically the progressive aristocracy and now my family gives money to the progressive aristocracy across the rest of the country. I mean, it's again, inspirational, inspiring.

[C]

One thing that was, was unusual about the rise of Donald Trump, among many others, there was just zero. This zero, right. His father was a very tough guy. I'm sure his father said like really harsh things about him a lot, right. His brother goes the wrong way, becomes an alcoholic. Trumps at military school for a while, right? But zero of this. And his story was like, I know how to fire people and I know how corrupt politicians are because I've worked the system so I can fix it, right? So it was none of this attempt to create.

[A]

Trump's attitude is exactly the, the, the opposite. Rich, you're right, he like, Trump puts a positive spin on everything, right? Like, that's why in, in some instances you're like, am I getting the straight skinny here? Because I felt like that was a defeat, but he's selling it like a victory. And I don't know what to believe, but it's to his credit. I mean, it, it's helped him and it's helped the United States way more than it's hurt. And it's one of his, I think, best qualities. I've told the story before, but I gave him an interview when we fought for that one year when I was at Fox. And then we did a special, like a special that aired on Fox broadcast channel, you know, not the fnc, but the broadcast channel. And it didn't do that well. Cause it was across from like a series finale of some major show that everybody loved. It did fine, but it wasn't like gangbusters. I talked to him the next day. You would have thought it was the super bowl ratings, the way he was like, oh, the numbers are huge. I'm like, this is so funny. He knows exactly what the numbers are. He knows that they weren't huge. And he knows we lost, I think, to CBS because of this series finale. But it's just Trump, you know, he just, he's gonna say it was amazing and it was awesome and it was wonderful, even if it wasn't. Which is exactly the opposite of the instinct of all these Democrats who were like, boo hoo, my mom was mean in that one comment that one time Trump could be out there, like, they shot me in the head. They tried to put me like, he does complain here and there, but just usually with a sense of humor and a way of like trying to expose what the other side is as opposed to make you feel sorry for him. All right, I want to keep going because I'm interested in the JD Marco thing in light of what we're seeing right now in the Republican Party. And you guys are great people to ask about this because I would say just knowing you both, Rich, you're probably more on the like hawkish side of the party and MBD's probably more on the non interventionalist side. And right now the party's having, I don't know if you call it a civil war, a fight. Republicans love to fight with each other. I mean, like, it's the thing like on the right, they never march along to party orders. Unfortunately, they're not like the Democrats. They're like individualism and we have disagreements, let's hash them out, let's fight. And then they lose elections badly. And they're like, oh shit, we need to get along for a little while. So. So where do you see the current battle going? How about that one, mbd? Because right now the conventional wisdom is that the more Neo Kani, more hawkish wing of the party, that which had felt out of favor with Trump. You know, they had thought Trump was more of a non interventionalist with some, some hawkish instincts. We had Soleimani, we had Al Baghdadi and then of course prior to now we had the Iranian nuclear plant strike in Venezuela. I don't think even they were anticipating full scale war with Iran. So they're feeling that like their star is ascendant, their worldview is ascendant and the non interventionalists are on the, you know, descend or irrelevant entirely. But they make up some 20% of the party, that latter group at least. And young people in particular lean towards non intervangelists. So where does that leave the Republican Party now, its future and its, and the likely battle to come on the presidential nomination front?

[B]

I think so much depends on how successful this operation in Iran really is. There's just, you've seen the polls that while Republicans are broadly supportive of the President and his mission in Iran, they're worried, they're worried about gas prices, they're worried about the war dragging on and they're worried about Mission Creek. And that's why the President is out there kind of every few days saying like it's all almost over or it's four or five weeks or we basically finished the job already, but it's not finished yet. You know, there's, he's obviously conscious of this dynamic. And you know, the latest poll I saw today was only 66% of Republicans really back the president on the war in Iran. That's actually a very low number for Donald Trump or for any Republican president in a major initiative. You know, there's always a tendency when a pollster calls you up and asks, you know, do you support this or that? You know, I think most people go into those conversations thinking I don't want to accidentally help the side that I'm against. So even if I have a problem, I'm going to kind of hedge towards the president and my party. But, but you know, you're seeing six port in a party, very little in the Democratic Party, very little among independents. You know, if you are Ben Shapiro or Mark Levin or some of these commentators who are saying like I want to take ownership of this and we're the ones who really own and define Trump presidency and the America Lasters are this tiny rump that doesn't matter anymore. I think you're basically saying like we're in charge of a minority, a party that's going to swiftly be in the minority in November. And I'm not sure how that's going to work out for them. I mean, if you see the poll numbers for the president's party sinking as low as they have been among the general public, like, I don't think that's the time to take the wheel and say, I'm the driver now. I'm the one steering this car because it's about to crash.

[A]

How do you see it, Rich?

[C]

So I think there are a couple unknowns, right? The big one, which MBD led with there is how does this end? Is it perceived as a success or is it perceived as a failure that will make a huge difference? And then there's kind of the internal game. So, so J.D. vance, obviously, the very least, is not enamored of this operation. Whether he opposes it or not, we don't know. But does Trump kind of appreciate him keeping his head down and basically being a team player? So that's a benefit to the ultimate competition for a Trump endorsement? Or if it goes wrong and JD Is kind of proved right, does Trump resent that? It's very difficult to know or game out exactly how that interaction is going to go down. And then with, with Rubio, I had a connected person who was making a very good case that I hadn't thought of quite this way recently. Just saying, he's not going to run. This is a guy who is at the pinnacle of his power. He's at the end of a very powerful president. Pursuing priority is very important for him. Iran's one, but Venezuela is much more of one and Cuba's at the top of the list and has an ability to be a legacy shaping secretary of state. So really, in about eight months from now or nine months after the midterms, is he going to say, forget it, I'm quitting all that. I'm giving all that up and I'm going to the pizza restaurants in Iowa and living there for the next year and a half. And what might be an underdog campaign against the J.D. vance, he was a favorite. Why would he do that? So I think a lot of people are thinking Vance, Rubio. I'm not sure whether Rubio is going to be in that equation unless there's some inside track we're not aware of. And Trump's really bonded with him and there's some chance that he could give his nod formally or informally to Rubio. That would be a game changer. But otherwise, if you're Rubio, you're sitting very pretty right right now, and you're still young and Have a lot of time.

[A]

Rich, you tell me how the more hawkish wing of the party would feel about J.D. vance.

[C]

I think there'd be a lot of disquiet over J.D. vance. But at the end of the day, you know, if someone's the party's nominee, the alternative is going to be worse. Right. If he's running against AOC or Gavin, I mean, they'll probably be less hawkish than he is. Even so people, there's very little alternative to getting on board. But there's certainly be disquiet because I think in some respects JD I don't know whether he actually thinks this or whatever express it, but I imagine that he might think of himself a little bit as Trump is the John the Baptist ideologically with this more populist, non interventionist approach that, that Trump's kind of on board with, but not always, as we've seen with Iran. And JD Is the pure version. Right. He's the ideological savior. He's working the logic all the way to its end point. And there gotta be a lot of people who weren't huge on Donald Trump to begin with, but have warmed up to him, especially after this, who are gonna not like the idea of a J.D. vance nomination.

[A]

Oh yeah. I mean that's one of the things I saw you write this week. MBD was like, it's kind of funny to watch those same people like the Ben Shapiro's of the world who never was literally a never Trumper, now try to claim ownership of him. Like yes, this is, you know, I'm maga, this is my movement. And looking at sort of the more non interventionalist wing of the party, which was something Trump had repeatedly said he would be pursuing. No war in the Middle east, no wars, no new wars, no war with Iran. He even said, said as like theirs and, and is pursuit or casting that wing as though they didn't know Trump at all and they've never been really pro Trump or maga.

[B]

Yeah, I mean you can go through, I mean go through YouTube clips, you know, the Trump Vance ticket promoted itself as the peace ticket, et cetera. And then that didn't mean completely no military action whatsoever. But he was absolutely a critic of, of long drawn out wars in the Middle east that didn't yield anything. And you know, you can find a clip from the 1980s where he talks about what we could do to Iran. But that doesn't eliminate what he said at every campaign stop and rally. And the fact is like the reason that Mark Levin in 2015 said he would never vote for Trump. The reason Ben Shapiro said he'd never vote for Trump is because Trump was invoking this other Republican tradition, which has roots in the party going back to before World War II, of not wanting to plow under every other boy from the heartland in order to fulfill some kind of dream of global dominance. And you know, that, that, that part of the party is still with us. And, and it's never really gone away and it's kind of risen up after people have looked at the, you know, what, what does it cost us to try to manage the Middle east into

[C]

our,

[B]

you know, into behaving the way we want it to? You know that there's a paradox to power, right? And there's a paradox to security. One man might think the only way I can be truly secure is if I install cameras in all my neighbors houses to make sure I know exactly what they're doing and I'm safe all the time. But at the same time, that costs you your mental piece. It costs you money, and it makes you paranoid about every single thing that's happening in your neighborhood. Similarly with the United States. Suddenly we have to worry about what's in the textbooks in Karbala in Iraq if you're trying to manage the entire globe. And a lot of Republicans don't even trust the DMV to take care of their driver's license, let alone the Department of Defense to turn Mesopotamia into a Madisonian paradise.

[A]

Oh God.

[B]

You know, so like, I don't, I

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What is the game plan? Drinking Blackout with my rock out. What issue facing America is the most important to you? What bikini I'm gonna wear next? Obesity is terrible.

[C]

Ice?

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[C]

I'm legal.

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Getting a tan on the beach. What have you heard that Donald Trump has been doing recently? Gulf of America. That's the last thing I kept up with. We're going to war with Iraq. That's been crazy.

[C]

What do you do in Colombia? You got Maduro out.

[A]

You must be happy. I'm very happy. The Ayatollah is dead. I'm so. What? Who.

[B]

What. What is that?

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Who the is Ayatollah? I've never heard that word in my life.

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[B]

If you were in charge, how would

[A]

you take on Iran? Yeah. All my girls. And we would all start putting belts on them.

[B]

We get a bunch of girls in bikinis. We make them run across the battlefield.

[C]

All the guys are distracted.

[A]

We all run in. Look at him in his eyes, I guess. Flirt with him.

[B]

I'd blow him up.

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I don't know enough about it, but I would probably wipe it out.

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Drop a bomb, baby.

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Bomb the.

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Out of them.

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Where is Venezuela? I don't know. I'm drunk.

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I really.

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I don't know. Venezuela is not in Spain.

[B]

No.

[A]

Rich, in all the strategy meetings you've had at NR and coming up with your editorials, I bet you. I bet no one noticed. Not. Not mbd, not Charles Cook ever said we should lead with blackout. With my rack out, I thought the

[C]

same thing you alluded to at the beginning of that clip. This guy is the next Jesse Waters. Right? Just. Just give him 10 or 15 years.

[A]

The way he works for Jesse.

[C]

Yeah. The way.

[A]

There we go.

[C]

He's working for O'Reilly. Can I come back?

[A]

Following in his boss's what MBD was saying model?

[C]

Because I. I don't think it's just a statement in 1980 from Trump. I mean, he's made hawkish sounds about Iran across the decades. And I think he genuinely hates this regime. And I also think temperamentally, we've seen it, especially in the second term here. This is a guy who loves exercising power and loves doing it at maximum discretion. And if you're commander in chief of the United States, what does that lead you to? You're going to lean on the US Military. And I think think just the operation against Maduro and the lightning success of that led him to believe this could be similarly successful. Now, this is a much tougher nut to crack, and we'll see how it turns out. But I think this is a Trump thing. He wasn't talked into it by anyone. He wasn't tricked.

[A]

I don't agree with that. He was talked into it by Israel. That's not true. It's not anti Israel. Or to say Trump is a weakling, to say that he was talking, locked into it by Netanyahu. And Netanyahu, he's the commander in chief of the nsc.

[C]

He's the decider. And if he didn't want to do

[A]

this, of course he's the decider.

[C]

So it's not.

[A]

No, but that's not the same thing, Rich. To be talked into it is not the same thing as saying someone else made the decision for him which removes agency from trust.

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But there are people trying to talk him.

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Yes, he did.

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And people trying to talk him into it. And he makes the ultimate.

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Who. Who was trying to talk him out of it?

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One person, lots of people on the outside. Now, it's true that the planning process was truncated. All the kind of downsides of this are very Trump, if you want to look at a negative way, impulsive decision, overoptimistic about it. We're talking about his optimism earlier. There are upsides to that. No planning process or very truncated planning process and kind of erratic goals. That's all Trump. This has all the hallmarks of a Trump operations, which is why the buck stops with him on this. No one else is responsible. He's responsible. He's the one decided to launch it. And it's understandable why he did it. And again, it's very characteristic. So I just don't, I don't get the effort to kind of get the blame or the credit or whatever you want to consider off on someone else. This is a guy who, I have

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no interest in doing that. But I also find it weird that some people don't want to acknowledge that Israel did Push for this war very, very hard. You don't have to take Megyn Kelly's word for it. Netanyahu is all over the papers and on video saying exactly that. Like, we know that's true. I don't know why you tried to make it so serious. Rich Lowry. Back to the video. Sat 15mbd. I got something for. He's coming in a bikini. Twerking on spring break. More twerking. Looks like an X ray. Like a little vodka in my bad. Twerking mbd. It's spring break in America. And down in Florida, in some towns, they are cracking down on the twerking as illegal as now. Indecent exposure, and inappropriate. And I want to know whether you are pro or against, because I think those girls may not know anything about the Ayatollah, but they definitely know how to eat properly and buy a good bikini.

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Yeah, I mean, listen, the glory of American life is that Americans pursue happiness however they want to, and they're not being instrumentalized into some global mission where they have to care about the Ayatollah if they don't want to. As for criminalizing twerking, I just think that's. That's beyond the. The government's competence at this point. I don't. I don't think it should be prioritized. I think, you know, there's. There's. There's other battles to fight first. You know, don't you think that we

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should have Charles assigned this as an NR piece? I mean, Rich, who does the assignment assignments over there? Is it you? Charles lives in Florida. He has to deal with the twerking firsthand, and he hates government interference. Like, MBD is explaining right now. So what do you think? Mbd? You should nudge him.

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I will nudge him. I mean, right now, we're trying to deal with the twerking privately. My daughter is in a dance company, and the tweeny girls do this just to get a rise out of their moms and dads. And so we're trying to handle this as parents. First authority begins in the home, and that's where it should stay. And it's a good reminder. It's a good reminder that I'll never let my daughter go on spring break until she is 45. Or something like that.

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Yes. Honestly, say or without you there, Daddy's coming. You can do it as a family affair. All right, last but not least and not unrelated, I wanted to ask you guys your take on the founder of OnlyFans, Leonid. Leonidas Radvinsky. 43 years old, died of cancer. And this is one of the richest guys in the world, worth, like, $8 billion, thanks to OnlyFans, which is porn. It's a porn website. I mean, not everything on there is total porn. Like, some women just show their feet, and people pay lots of money to see them. But there's a ton of porn on OnlyFans. I've never actually been on OnlyFans. Full disclosure. But I see enough in the news to know what's on there, including that Bonnie Blue, who had sex with. I don't. I can't keep track of them. Like, a thousand men in a day. And then the other girl who. What's the other gal's name? Who's, like, her competition. Lily Phillips. Thank you, my team. Who. Who now says. And she did another. Like a thousand men in a day. Now she says she's converted to Christianity. She had, like, a. Or she's, like, renewed her Christianity by having an adult baptism. Okay, but what do you make of it, Rich? This guy's legacy. Billionaire, very successful. Got some of these girls away from triple X porn sets where they have to do this, you know, on a set. But it leaves you feeling pretty skeezy.

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Small democratization of porn. So you tend to hear in the press or the stories, you know, someone who's a junior in college and now they're making, you know, $500,000 a month and they've bought a new Jaguar. But you don't hear all the stories of the girls who have let themselves be exploited and basically gotten nothing from it. So this is a terrible trend. It seems to be sort of an unstoppable tide in American life. But it used to be, you know, these were magazines hidden in the back of some shop, and you'd have to go purchase them and feel shame when you did it. And now it's just. Just accessible to. To everyone that. The girls who are doing the porn and the consumers. So it's a. It's a. It's a very bad trend, but apparently an unstoppable one.

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I think it's a bad trend, too. I. I just feel like whenever I see those girls, like, in an interview, I want to do an intervention. I want to help them, like, get an education and do something more wholesome with their life and with their body and help relieve them of the massive shame that must be driving them to seek this sort of affirmation over and over again. That's my take on it. Guys, a pleasure as always. Mbd. Great to see you, Rich. You as well. Go become an NR subscriber today. We're back tomorrow and we'll see all of you then. Thanks, guys. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda, and no fear. There's a difference between liking a house and actually getting it. Redfin is built to close that gap. Redfin agents close twice as many deals as other agents, so when you find a home you love, you're not a step behind when it's time to make an offer. That means less watching great homes disappear and more zeroing in on the one you'll actually end up calling home. Redfin helps turn saved listings into to real addresses. Get [e-mail] own the dream real talent is defined by what people can do, not where they learn to do it. So by stopping at the education section

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