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Trump Brings Peace Between Israel and Hamas, and Potential Cancer Cure, with Buck Sexton and Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong | Ep.1168
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Megyn Kelly is joined by Buck Sexton, co-host of "The Clay and Buck Show," to talk about Trump's massive Middle East deal between Israel and Hamas, Trump's legacy and skills as a dealmaker, how even the left and media are being forced to give him credit now, what happens next in the Middle East, the truth about Hamas and the false equivalency some make with Israel, and more. Then Dr. Patrick Soon-Shiong, CEO of Los Angeles Times Media Group, joins to talk about why he stopped his paper from publishing their Kamala Harris endorsement, his reaction to the fallout, his decision to take the LA Times public and give power to the audience, Bari Weiss taking over as head of CBS News, the future of the media, his work in trying to find a cure for cancer, his challenge trying to get the FDA to approve this new procedure, the effectiveness of his method, why he thinks President Trump could be the person to implement this massive scientific breakthrough, and more. Soon-Shiong- https://x.com/...
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Dr. Soon Xiang
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Megyn Kelly
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Watch made no mistake. It looks like President Trump has actually pulled off something here that many presidents before him have failed to do.
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Buck Sexton
Momentous day. There's not much good News in the world. This is great news. I am trying to hold it together. Honestly worked on this issue a very long time. I just need to underscore what an enormous moment this is for so many people in this region, for. For the people of Gaza who have.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Endured two years of war, for the.
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Buck Sexton
Families of these 48 remaining hostages who have endured two years of absolute agony. This is a watershed moment.
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Megyn Kelly
Certainly, this is an enormous moment for the world, but also for this administration. A big win for the president, who has been very personally involved in this.
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Buck Sexton
This war was blocked for two years. President Biden, who preceded him, was unable.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
To find a way to stop it. President Trump found that. Found that way by being tough on. On both sides.
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Buck Sexton
And you'll take a victory lap for.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Sure over the next few days, but it's.
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Buck Sexton
It's deserved.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
There's no way that I can see that this would have been done without.
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Buck Sexton
Trump's pressure in the final hours.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Even if someone with whom you disagree.
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Buck Sexton
About 99 things does the hundred really well, you can say so. So all credit to President Trump and his, as you say, unconventional team.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, thanks, Jon Meacham, for just barely. Barely giving him credit. I know that hurt. Early this morning, President Trump calling some of the families of the Israeli hostages still being held in the tunnels of Gaza right now, telling them their loved ones would be quote, back on Monday. That's what the president's saying.
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Buck Sexton
Watch President Trump. You have the best crowd in the world. What do you guys have to say to President Trump? Thank you.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
You did it.
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Megyn Kelly
Thank you.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
This is amazing.
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Buck Sexton
Mr. President, we believe in you.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
We know you've done so much for us over the past, since you became.
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Megyn Kelly
A president, even before that.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
And we trust you fulfill the mission.
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Buck Sexton
Until every hostage, every 48 of the hostages are home. Thank you so much.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Blessed be the peacemakers.
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Buck Sexton
God bless you, Mr. President. God bless America.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Thank you very much.
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Buck Sexton
You just take care of yourselves. The hostages will come back. They're coming, all coming back on Monday.
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Megyn Kelly
It's amazing. It's amazing. Like, imagine what those poor families have been through for two years, worrying about their loved ones, and now finally finding out that President Trump got this done. It's just, what an incredible accomplishment. I mean, that's the kind of thing, when President Trump dies, hopefully many, many years from now, it'll be one of the first things they mention about him. The dealmaker who just refused to settle for less, who said, I know it's impossible, but I'm going to do it anyway. It's the same guy who got up after getting shot. It's the same guy who didn't get discouraged when they indicted him four times and sued him with an en. Degree of losing his business. It's that same guy, that guy that we voted for because we saw that superhero strength is the guy who got this done, who just said, no, we will get it done. No, we will not settle for not getting the hostages. No, I will not accept Bibi's pessimism about this deal or Hamas's steadfast refusal to even try. No, I won't. We're. We're getting it done. That guy who now the hostages families are standing there thinking, it's incredible. It's incredible. You know how we've. We've talked about maybe God spared Trump that day in Butler for a reason, and maybe he needed Charlie home early for a reason. But, like, you can't look at this and think this might not have factored in. I mean, let's be honest. No one thinks Kamala Harris could have gotten this done. I mean, truly, even her fans know she couldn't have gotten this done. It required the strength that Donald Trump uniquely has. One of the hostages still believed to be alive right now is Matan zangalker. He's now 26. Just 26. That's Young. He was taken hostage on October 7, 2023. Former hostages who were once held with Matan but later released told his family that he had begun suffering tremors due to a degenerative muscle disease that runs in the family. After learning that, his mother said, quote, I haven't been able to eat and I can barely breathe. How can a mother survive knowing her son, who suffers from a degenerative muscle disease, is being held alone in captivity? Last night, after learning the news of the deal, his mother told local media, quote, I can't breathe. I can't explain what I'm feeling. What do I say to him? What do I do? Hug and kiss him? Just tell him that I love him and see his eyes sink into mine. It's, like, amazing. It's an incredible, incredible accomplishment. God bless President Trump and the peacemakers. Because, by the way, it's not just Trump, of course. I mean, his ability to get the international community behind this deal. And you've got to take a moment and shout out to Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner, the ones he sent over there to actually negotiate the deal, and that Steve Witkoff has been at this for so long. He's taken so many slings and arrows from people who are like, He's a real estate guy. What does he know? He can't do it. Well, guess what? He did it. And Jared Kushner, who is so maligned by so many for, I mean, since Trump 1.0, who, to the point where he just said, you know, I don't want to do Politics in Trump 2.0. 2.2.2. He and Ivanka have shrunk from the public scene. They want more of a private life. But for this, Jared Kushner reemerged. He cares deeply about the Middle East. He's the architect of the Abraham Accords, and he and Steve Wyckoff negotiated this deal. And what an accomplishment. What a feat. Joining me now for reaction is Buck Sexton. He's co host of the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. Let's face it, Big Tech has gotten too powerful. Through the smartphones that we use every day, they track our every move, decide what we see, and can even censor what we say. All that data collected about us sold to the highest bidder. Even more concerning, these platforms now hold more control over free speech than the government itself. America was built on free speech, on privacy and the right to speak your mind without fear of being silenced or canceled. That is why the upphone by Unplugged was created. It does everything you expect from a smartphone. It does calls, texts, has maps, email, all the stuff. And it even includes its own uncensored app store. But here is the difference. Upphone is built to protect your rights. It blocks surveillance, it stops the sale of your data, and it gives you the power to step outside Big Tech's control and reclaim your digital freedom. Switching is simple, with a US Support team ready to help. This is not just about safeguarding privacy. It's about taking back our country and the fundamental rights it was built on. Visit unplugged.com mk and order your UPPhone today. What a day. And what an accomplishment. Buck, your thoughts?
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Buck Sexton
Well, President Trump obviously deserves all the credit that is being bestowed upon him. Not just by you and me and many of your listeners and Trump voters all across the country, but even by people who are deeply opposed to Trump on most things, who have to recognize, unless they wanna seem completely insane, that this is a major, major breakthrough. This is going to end bloodshed. This is going to bring hostages home. And this is, I would argue, Meghan, the beginning of what we could see as the transformation of the Middle east away from the constant warfare, bloodshed and disruption that unfortunately, has defined it really for mine, my lifetime, and yours into something more Stable. We're not there yet. But if you were to look around and see where the enemies of Israel and really the enemies of civilization stand, including Muslims in the Middle east who want peace and want their own security, the bad guys, so to speak, are in a worse position now than they have been at any time, really, post 9 11. I mean, I'd have to go back many decades to find anything even equivalent. I think you couldn't. I think that this is now an opening for broader peace in the region with Israel, but also that takes into account all the various rivalries and factions and terrorist entities there. And I just feel so happy for the families who will either get their loved one home or at least get the closure of having their remains brought home to them. And it's just, it's a monumental win. There's no way around that. And that's a fantastic thing. And it's really nice to come on, especially given the events of recent weeks, and have great news to talk about and to dive into with you.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes, it is great. At last, and basically on the two year mark since 107 was launched, President Trump got this done. He was talking to Hannity last night by phone and he said himself, Trump did that. He really thinks the key was getting these Middle Eastern countries on board with this plan, you know, Qatar, Turkey, Egypt, to apply pressure on the Hamas side and to be standing sort of behind President Trump saying, we want this too and we stand ready to enforce both sides of this deal that nobody else had done that. And President Trump really did have to strong arm all parties to this table buck. I mean, that's what he's great at. Like I was mentioning the mocking of Steve Witkoff for being a real estate guy. Like, what does he know about the Middle east real estate? Two real estate guys, three of them got this done. Trump, Kushner, Witkoff. I don't think actually that's any accident given what real estate guys actually do for a living.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, understanding how to negotiate and how to both seem like a fair arbiter of the conflict, but also understand how to put pressure when necessary to bring them to reasonable compromise. That's a skill set, Megan, as you know, and it's a skill set that your title doesn't give you. Right. It doesn't matter if you are this special envoy for. And I know this. I mean, I worked for Ambassador Dennis Ross a long time ago, who was Clinton's special envoy for the US Middle east peace process. I worked at the Council on Foreign Relations, Middle east peace project. I mean, I've seen people with the most outstanding credentials imaginable for Middle Eastern expertise, you know, decades in the region, and they couldn't do and have not been able to do what President Trump and his team. And I think you rightfully point out that there is a team effort here. I mean, Trump is the captain of the team, but there are others who had very important roles in this process. Generally the way anything that's Arab, Israeli, so you can kind of put all the non Israeli countries into this bucket. The way it works is a lot of people are seen as they're either on one side or the other side, and therefore, there can never be enough trust to foster a deal, a framework like this. Trump is able to span that divide. And that's what I think is incredibly unique about him. As you pointed out, he has the strength, the common sense and, and also that force of personality. So he can sit down with the Saudis, the Qataris, he can sit down with the Israelis or send his envoys, you know, his people, on his behalf. And everybody knows they're getting a straight deal and a straight shot with what he's saying. He means what he says. And that's what's brought us to this place where now we have not just the end of the conflict beginning, but also the possibility, as I said, of a more peaceful and better Middle east than we have seen in maybe, maybe ever. And I know that's a Trumpian, you know, the best Middle east ever, but it's possible now, I think, and I would make that case to anybody who is wondering why the Israelis have done a phenomenal job of taking the fight to enemies that deserved it. But now the framework is in place to move forward to something much better.
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Megyn Kelly
Definitely want to talk about what's happening next in the Middle east in a second, but it does occur to me, Buck, that we watch President Trump and what can seem to many like an erratic style of governing. You know, like, we're sending troops into Portland, you know, and now we're sending troops into Chicago, and, you know, we're slapping tariffs, 100% tariffs on this country or that country. But, like, the truth is, President Trump does have legitimate policy objectives in each of these decisions that is perceived by some as erratic or, you know, out of control or whatever they want to call it. All of that is actually an important piece of convincing people like the Palestinians, and for that matter, you know, their Arab allies, that President Trump is totally unpredictable. And you don't want him mad at you. You do not want him turning his ire against you deciding that you're a bad guy with whom he cannot negotiate. Because it's one of those things like that MFer really might just do what he's threatening, and we can't afford that. You know, he was talking to Hannity last night about getting some of these other conflicts settled. You know, the count is up to seven or eight now in terms of conflicts or wars that President Trump has helped bring to a close. And he was saying he's used the tariffs in many of these instances to say, you don't wrap this up, we're not going to do trade with you. You're not gonna be able to sell your goods in the United States of America. And he was saying, oh, you wanna see that turn people around like that? It does, because they know he'll follow through something he's getting sued over right now up at the U.S. supreme Court. It's all kind of part of the same package.
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Buck Sexton
Well, this is, this is fascinating, Megan, because I think when Trump took office, one area where his detractors were the most smug and the most undermining was on what they thought would be Trump foreign policy. He doesn't know enough. He hasn't, he hasn't spent years at the State Department or, you know, he's not. It was obviously nonsense then. And now you can look back at the record. Trump is the most successful president in the Mideast, you could argue also globally on a whole range of issues. But on the Mid east, that we have seen, the only person who maybe comes close, if you want to say it, would be George H.W. bush with the massive coalition to oust Saddam. But that actually didn't end up the way that we wanted it to. There was a war after that to finish the job. Right. So Trump has been phenomenal in the Middle East. And to your point, by the way, about the personal dynamics, I don't know if you're a fan of the movie Tombstone. I'm a big fan of it. I think it's a really fun watch.
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Megyn Kelly
Kurt Russell. I'm always a fan of you got.
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Buck Sexton
To tell Doug, you guys, next time you have a movie night, go to go throw Tombstone on again. It's a really great rewatchable. But there's a scene that I think really sets. Has always for me set Trump's foreign policy or explain Trump's foreign policy where, you know, Wyatt Earp, who's cleaning up the town of the bad guys, he throws the shotgun to Doc Holliday, who's kind of his unpredictable right Hand man Kilmer and Val Kilmer, who does an incredible, incredible job in the role. And he says, I think they'll be a little less itchy on the trigger finger if they know the docs on the street howitzer. And that's kind of how Trump is, You know, that's kind of how Trump is with foreign policy. Like, he's a little, he's the guy who, he's not just going to have a dimash. He's not just going to write strongly worded letters via diplomats and, you know, go to UN functions and give pointless speeches. And if you stay on the side of the good guys, good things happen. If you want to play games, he's gonna come down hard on you. And I think that everyone in the Mideast, the oldest truism is people see a strong horse and the weak horse and they always go with the strong horse. Trump's the strong horse. And if you're looking for somebody to bring two sides that are locked in, not just this war, but really just an ongoing war for almost a century now, Trump is the guy to bring it to this place, this conclusion. And I think that he, like I said, deserves tremendous credit for staying the course and making sure that we got to this point. And it's going to be amazing as some of these good things come about. Obviously the hostage release and some of the other markers that set the early stage of the deal.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God. When those hostages start coming home. I mean, he said last night, he told Hannity on Monday. Trump seemed to be saying that even the deceased hostages bodies would be returned on Monday. The Israeli officials said that may take a little longer, they believe, but either way, I mean, just when those hostages start coming home and we see video of that and we see the Israelis wait to welcome them, it's going to be incredible. The videos now coming of the Israelis celebrating. Here's some. I believe this is from Tel Aviv, that you can just see the joy. And all these young people, I mean, young people hit so hard by 10, seven going to a music festival, trying to celebrate life and love and music and dance, cut down in the middle of those celebrations, their friends ripped out of their arms, tortured, raped, murdered brutally, and some held in captivity for two years now. You can see the joy in their faces. And over in Gaza too, which unquestionably has suffered, the Palestinians have also suffered mightily. We don't know the exact death toll. The Palestinians say it's nearly 70,000. Here's the Gaza Strip. Those numbers, not credible, but at least Tens of thousands have died. You can see their relief too, at it being over. Israel's going to release some 3,000 Palestinians, including some 200 captured for having been intimately involved, some in the planning of 10, 7 in exchange for those 48 hostages, only 20 of whom are alive. I mean, try explaining that to your kids, Buck. I was, I was talking to my kids about. They were like, well, why, why does Israel only get 48 back, only 20 of whom are alive, and the Palestinians get 2,000? I'm like, you know what? There's a very different value that is placed on life by these two groups.
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Buck Sexton
Yes. Well, this is something that I think is a good reminder for everybody. I've been honestly, Megan, a little frustrated as somebody who is firmly on the right and has been for really his entire life and has been supportive of the state of Israel. That doesn't mean that I don't criticize Israel when I think it errs. It doesn't mean that I think that Israeli interests could ever be put above American interests where the interests coincide. Fantastic. And in general, I think Israelis are defenders of civilization and actually have a society that they can be proud of. Unfortunately, that's not the case in Gaza under the rule of Hamas. And these are not equivalent, morally equivalent entities at all. I think people in recent months, including a little bit on our side on the right, lost sight of the fact that this is not two sides who have been approaching this conflict in anything approaching the same way or anything near the same way that the stories about mass starvation, those were lies. I mean, when the New York Times put that on the front of the propaganda and they had that, it was pure propaganda and a lot of people fell for it. And I was a little surprised. One thing, there are leftists, as you know, and unfortunately there's a lot of, really a political tribal allegiance. A lot of Muslim Americans, for example, just inherently are on the side of Hamas and on the side of the Palestinians in Gaza, no matter what goes on, no matter what happens. There are a lot of leftists, by the way, just general leftists, you know, white, black, any color in this country who take the side of Hamas. I think in part out of a misplaced sense of this being a anti colonial conflict and some kind of a white brown oppression narrative. So they just don't understand the dynamics in the country. But there are people on the right who I think lost sight of this a little bit as well. Look, the war grinded on for two years. War is a horrible thing, but this is the definition of a just War in its origins. And I think the Israelis generally fought it in a way that not only can they be proud of, but as an ally of theirs, we should feel like they did their best and that our support of them was rewarded by the actions that they took and the actions that they didn't take in terms of excessive civilian casualties. So I do think there's the celebration and that's the main feeling today and that's really important. But the Israelis were always the good guys in this and I think some people lost sight of that a little bit in recent months. And it was a frustration for me, including people that, by the way, I like very much on the right. And I'm not naming anybody, obviously. It's not about that, it's about where we stand now because we're gonna have to make sure one part of this deal, Megan, is absolutely rock solid going forward. Today it's celebration. Families getting their loved ones back. The war is stopped. I mean, that's fantastic. But in the months ahead, Hamas cannot end up in charge again. That is the absolute no go. You cannot have a Hamas or Hamas entity, Hamas individuals who are running Gaza or any part of Gaza. Quite honestly, I think that anyone who is involved in Hamas, if they're still alive today, is very lucky to be alive and to be at this ceasefire position because the Israelis would have had every right to hunt them down and terminate them. So there's a lot that still has to be done here, right? There's a phase in and I think that Trump is gonna get us there and his negotiators have set up the framework as best as it could be set up. But we have to keep an eye on that as well. Because how many wars have there been between Israel and Hamas in the last 20 years? I mean, we don't wanna see this again. We don't want civilians suffering again. That means Hamas absolutely must be expelled from any kind of leadership position. And it's just an absolute red line for Israel and one that we have to be willing to help them enforce.
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Megyn Kelly
I'm just so relieved, Buck, because, you know, I've said all along I, I support Israel. I call myself a Zionist. I, I think Israel obviously had the moral high ground in this entire conflict. It was brutally attacked. 107 was an atrocity. But I watched the polls in the United States going like this in terms of support for Israel. They lost the entire Democratic Party. They lost almost all independents and they were starting to lose Republicans. Young Republicans mostly are gone. So the erosions were really at the younger Levels of people under 30, I think it was literally 9 out of 10 or 10 out of 10 who said we don't want to send any more aid to Israel. So to me it was just like they've got to find a way out. We, Israel cannot lose the United States. It just can't. That can't happen. It's actually really important to world peace that that relationship stays strong and that people feel good about it here in America. And it was just starting. For whatever reason. Hamas is great at propaganda, the left wing, the oppression narratives. I agree with everything you said. To me, it just didn't even really matter what was causing it. The fact is it was happening and it just needed to stop. And I think Trump saw that too and he said that he raised the polls with Bibi and he told him like even Bibi's polls were going down and it needed to wrap up.
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Buck Sexton
This is why though, I think, and again, I understand like today is the day of celebration. I completely agree with that. I think everybod, every reasonable person does just cuz the bloodshed has stopped all the things we've talked about. But I also think that now maybe, or maybe in the days ahead, the weeks ahead, maybe today is just celebration day. Right, that's fine. But in the weeks ahead people should reflect a bit on why what you are talking about, which is absolutely true, I mean you're just stating facts. There was a loss of support for Israel. Why was that occurring? If something equivalent to. Well, something did equivalent, something equivalent rather happened to us as what happened to the Israelis on 9 11. And I was one of a few million Americans who found themselves afterwards in Iraq, in Afghanistan, dealing with the decisions made after a war was brought to our doorstep. And I think that given the level of sadism that the Hamas terrorists engaged in on, on two years ago in October, I think that they, I think the Israelis actually were operating in terms of warfare and urban combat with tremendous restraint. And I think that people who started to turn on Israel were losing sight of the moral clarity that is necessary to understand what's going on in a conflict like this. I'll give you an example. I'm sure you remember the late great Christopher Hitchens, because we would always come up against this in the war on terror or the gwad as we called it. Megan, he would say that if the fighting against terrorism is the cause of terrorism, then we've lost and the terrorists win. I mean that was basically his formulation. If every time we do something in response, speaking from the American perspective, we do something in response. And some, you know, we bombed the wrong house one day or we shoot an innocent civilian, and now we're the bad guys because we're actually fighting a war against jihadism, which seeks to eradicate us after terrorist attacks like 9, 11. Well, then we've already ceded the battlefield before we've taken the battlefield. And I think that that's the formulation that a lot of people started to apply to the Israelis. Like, the problem is that Israel is dealing with the problem. That's, that's a massive misunderstanding of not just the realities of what was happening in the region, but also of recent decades. The only reason that Hamas had Gaza was because Israel said, all right, fine, you know what? We're pulling out. And it was not politically popular in a whole bunch of different ways in Israel at the time. They had to pull Israelis out. I mean, actually physically pull them in some cases. They had to remove them. The military moved them. They left behind all this infrastructure, and Hamas turned it into terrorists.
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Megyn Kelly
Live on Fox News. Yeah, no, I was there. I mean, I wasn't actually physically in the region, but we covered that every day. And we were shocked, shocked when Hamas won the elections that followed. No one predicted that. Nobody thought that's where the Palestinians, though we knew they weren't, you know, fans of Israel, were going to go, but they elected a group that, you know, its whole mission is to destroy Israel. And they did not. They do not believe Israel has a right to exist. And the powder keg was about to explode, and it did explode on 10, 7. I do think, just to pick up on what you were saying, the bombing of Iran scared a lot of Americans thinking we are getting too close to this. In the same way many have felt we're getting too involved in saber rattling over in Russia. They're happy to support our allies. It's Israel's fight, it's Ukraine's fight, and we'll be in a supportive role. But the more we get pulled in directly, the more, I think more Americans get uncomfortable because then you start thinking about your kid and what might be coming his way. And I think that didn't help the polling either. I understand why Trump did it, and, you know, we talked all about it on the show, but my, my, my bottom line is, thank God it's over, at least for now. It seems genuinely over. And I, and I have reason to feel a tiny bit optimistic, which is never a word you can use about the Middle east because of those Arab nations, Buck, you know, but, but let me ask you this is What I want to ask you, after any war, people are angry and, like, some of the hatred is even more deep. You know, we read last night or this morning on AM Update, our morning short news podcast, the statement from the Palestinians about this. It was, there was no joy expressed in that. They did not sound like the Palestinians. We just showed. It was like, we'll see whether Israel lives up to its obligations. You know, the hatred is so deep. And now, though, Israel's done an amazing job of defanging its enemies from Hezbollah to the Houthis to Syria. You know, we could go down the list. Iran, there's going to be lingering greater resentments toward Israel than we even started with. And I wonder how you see that playing out now.
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Buck Sexton
Well, that's, that's obviously a really critical consideration going forward. And I would say this one is that whether it's Hezbollah or Hamas or Iran and all of the terror tentacles that Iran extends throughout the Middle east and quite honestly, around the world, they are in a weaker position now than they have been in, certainly in decades. A large part of that is what the Israelis were able to do. We all know about the pager operation, one of the most incredible espionage, intelligence, covert actions. It was a really covert action, not espionage. In all, in all time, in all history, the Israelis were able to defang their worst enemies finally, I think, in a way that is substantial and could, could have real benefits going forward beyond just, you know, we're stopping, we're stopping them from killing us right now. The same thing you mentioned with Trump with the, the strike on Iran. I can tell you, Megan, I was in Taiwan last week with, meeting last week, meeting with all the leadership there, including the president. And they cited that Trump taking action on Iran is very heartening for them because it shows exactly what you and I were talking about. This is a guy who, if you think you're going to get away with nonsense, you're going to get, you know, a Moab dropped on your, on your new facility or whatever, I mean, he's going to, he's going to go for it. So that sends a real message to allies all over the world. And, you know, I just think on the issue of Palestinian hatred for Israel, which unfortunately, I think a lot of people in our country don't have a full understanding of. A long time ago, I had a close friend who did a whole series of interviews with the families of suicide bombers. And this was 20 years ago. Maybe it was after the second intifada. Cause like I said, I started in Middle east stuff. Even pre 911 on the Arab Israeli issue. This was before 9 11, Megan. This was what, if you're going to Middle east studies, by far the biggest area of focus right on college campuses, et cetera. And these families of suicide bombers who had. They'd lost their son. Overwhelmingly. Occasionally you'll have a female suicide bomber, but they'd lost their sons. And they were happy when they talked about it. And they said that he's a martyr and that they hope that he killed as many Israelis as possible. Disgusting and evil stuff. And this is unfortunately very widespread in the Hamasistan that was Gaza when I was the third largest mass casualty terror attack of our era. Number one is 9 11. Number two is 10 7. Number three is very little known. But I actually knew it because I was in Iraq when it happened. And it ties in, I think, to Hamas and their mentality. It was in a little village outside of northwestern Iraq or in northwestern Iraq called qataniyya. And about 800 people were killed in this village in one terrorist attack. Nobody in the west really even remembers this except for some military members I'm sure who are listening right now. And it was Yazidis. And later on we know the Yazidis were part of the. They tried to exterminate the Yazidis, Al Qaeda and Iraq and then isis. But Megan, the point about the attack was there was no military value whatsoever to blow up this village. They just rolled in dump trucks. They were completely defenseless. They had no civil militia. They had nothing. They were in the desert, just people living out there, not really a part of the conflict. But jihadists blew them up because they view them as non believers. They're Yazidis and they hate them. So they killed 800 people in the middle of a war when they were fighting the coalition. That is the same mentality. That is the same mentality that you have with Hamas. It is the same brain virus. And people who think it's a resistance organization or whatever, they are out of their minds. And I just don't want anyone on the right or anyone who's paying attention to forget that.
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Megyn Kelly
Totally agree. In the minutes, we have left a lot of speculation about whether President Trump is gonna get the Nobel Peace Prize. May I just start by saying who gives a shit? Like, we on the right are not generally motivated by leftist organizations patting us on the head and telling us we've done a good job. This is a big one, I understand. But still, they've always favored leftists and their fellow liberals. I don't see how they give it to anybody other than President Trump. But let me just give you a sampling of what we've been hearing. I've been waiting to play these and now I get the chance to. Here's NPR from the other day talking about this is before the peace deal, but there had been rumblings of it. Listen to how they discussed whether Trump would get this done.
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Buck Sexton
Sat 6 Israel's strike targeting Hamas mediators in Qatar last month really was the pivotal moment. It angered President Trump. Qatar, of course, is his close ally and he got Arab countries on board with his peace plan. And Hamas calculated it's standing. It knows it's losing militarily in Gaza. It's losing more territory with Israeli troops advancing in Gaza City. It needs relations with Arab countries if it wants any kind of future role in Palestinian life. Trump is now showing a real desire to end the war. We know he wants a Nobel Peace Prize.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay. So that's why he wanted to do it. I got to give you just one more Sat seven CNN and if President Trump is able to do this, this is a major, it's a major victory for him. Look, it is challenging to, to actually hear that piece of, you know, Trump being potentially being the one to get the cease fire deal. But I think where we are, what we are seeing now is that a lot of people are tired of the devastation that's happening to the Palestinian people. And so how do we figure out a way, a path forward? And so I would be interested to understand President Trump's interest in this because he has said some things that are very harmful to the Palestinian people. I don't know, you know, what his motivations are. She, she finds it challenging that President Trump is the one who's going to get this done. That's a former adviser to Kamala Harris named Alencia Johnson. That's the leftist buildup to yesterday buck. Like, obviously Trump is just doing it because he wants a prize. Your thoughts on that and on whether he should get it?
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Buck Sexton
Well, I'm always impressed that no matter how dumb the commentary is at cnn, they find a way to find even dumber people who are willing to go on television and say absurd things. So in a sense, you got to say that. Yeah, you got to tip your hat to that. I would say on, on the, yeah, obviously the hatred of Trump just drives so much of the, it's all about, it's all about him. It's ego driven. But also who cares if someone ends a war? Like if someone cured cancer because they wanted to find their name, you know, etched into history forever, would we say? Well, sure, he cured cancer, but the guy wanted a high five for it. I mean, the motivation for doing a great thing and a universally understood great thing, ending a war, is really pretty irrelevant. And also, I think that they're absurd in thinking that Trump doesn't want to people to not be dying on a battlefield. Trump actually does. I know this is completely. And you know him well, Megan, I know Trump. I've known Trump since I was 13 years old. He does care about people. He's a dad, he's a granddad. He's actually a really good man and he doesn't want to see the suffering and the bloodshed continue there. As for the Nobel Peace Prize itself, I agree. I mean, look, Obama got it for existing. Yeah, no, just being Obama, you know, that's really. And I think that the award, by the way, has never, if anyone thought it had any gravitas. I think that was the last straw.
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Megyn Kelly
Just as a reminder, they gave it to him. I think it was eight months into office because of those speeches he was giving apologizing for America all over the world. That's literally why he got it. Some speeches he gave where he went as an American president with his tail between his legs. That's what Obama got it for.
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Buck Sexton
Yeah, the apology tour. They love that in the Middle east, by the way. The Middle east under Obama and his foreign policy, which I could sit here if you ever wanna do a three hour show on. Just terrible. It is, Megan, let me know. His record on the Middle, his, his record on the Middle east, honestly, whether it's Syria or Libya or Iraq or, I mean, just go down the list was, was absolutely horrifying. And Joe Biden was his foreign policy brains. That tells you a lot. So as for whether Trump should get the. The only reason I kind of want him to get it. And I think this is actually why Trump wants it at some level. Yeah, Trump's a very ego driven guy and I respect that. I mean, you can't be this super alpha male who's the leader of the free world, gets shot and doesn't even get phased by it. I mean, you can't be that guy unless you've got a pretty superhuman sense of self. But I think it would be the ultimate troll of the establishment and the elites for Trump to get it. As in, they would have to just sit there and purse their lips and grit their teeth and go, I cannot believe this son of a gun is getting the Nobel Peace Prize. And I think that's gonna hurt. Trump wants it for that reason. It's just gonna burn. It's gonna burn all the right people.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. I'll show one more and then I'll let you go. Stop. 5. This is Today on CNN. I wish I'd give it to him so we could stop talking about it because it is so obnoxious that he thinks he should get it. I mean, we could go through all the number of reasons why he shouldn't get it. He's going to invade Greenland. The rights he wants to take away from press, pulling on the World Health. There's a lot of reasons why he shouldn't get it. That was a former Biden adviser. Just. We just give it to him so we can stop talking about it. They don't like any positive press for Donald Trump. It's so annoying how he's getting the hostages back and he's saving all these lives. Just move on to the next story, which is exactly what they'll do. I tuned into MSNBC last night just to see what Lawrence o' Donnell was talking about. Guess what? His entire show is about James Comey. He had Andrew Weissman there. They were talking about how BS this crime is really not so interested in peace in the Middle East. And by the way, Buck, Hillary Clinton, zero posts about the deal. Barack Obama zero. Bill Clinton zero Chuck Schumer zero. Hakeem Jeffries, zero post. But eventually he reacted when it had a mic shoved in his face. Nancy Pelosi 0. And then you get Ilhan Omar this morning.
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Buck Sexton
Can I say something that I'm sorry. Sorry.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, I was just going to say her final post, which she just put up, is, for the sake of humanity, let's hope there will be a lasting and permanent cease fire. While this is a hopeful step, we must demand accountability for every war crime committed during this genocide and continue to call for an end of the occupation. Real positive spin. Elon, Go ahead, Buck.
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Buck Sexton
I was just going to. I'm sorry. I just wanted to say I'm going to try to get on Media Matters with this one, but I. I absolutely believe this. There are plenty of people in the Democrat Party in American politics who would rather the war continue than Trump get credit for ending it.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, totally agree. I don't think there's even anything controversial about that. It's obvious.
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Buck Sexton
I was hoping Media Matters would pick it up and run with. There we go.
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Megyn Kelly
They've moved on. They're trying to take down other people now. They're too busy working on smearing Charlie Kirk's legacy. Buck, it's Great to see you. Thanks so much.
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Buck Sexton
Thanks so much.
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Megyn Kelly
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Dr. Soon Xiang
All across Russian occupied Ukraine.
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Buck Sexton
Soldiers are shutting down places of worship.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Many evangelical churches absolutely destroyed.
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Buck Sexton
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Dr. Soon Xiang
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Buck Sexton
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Dr. Soon Xiang
The soldiers came to church. They stopped worship service. They arrested me. They church my home. They destroyed many, many hundred church.
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Buck Sexton
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Dr. Soon Xiang
A Faith Under Siege.
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Buck Sexton
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Dr. Soon Xiang
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Buck Sexton
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Dr. Soon Xiang
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Buck Sexton
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Dr. Soon Xiang
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Thanks for having me.
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Megyn Kelly
Thanks for making the trek out here.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
It's wonderful to be here. Thank you.
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Megyn Kelly
So I'm sure You're very upset that Kamala's mad at you. She's not happy that you did not endorse her. She just assumed she would have gotten the endorsement had you done one. I'll kick it off with her soundbite saying how unhappy she is. Here we go. It's disappointing, no doubt. It's billionaires in Donald Trump's club. That's who's in his club. That's who he hangs out with. That's who he cares about. Billionaires are in your club. That's who you hang out with. That's who you care about. And she's very disappointed in you.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, I'm sad that she's disappointed. But, you know, I said in response that really one should take responsibility. And that's really the, the issue. We made the decision why I made the decision. Yes, we shouldn't endorse her because I didn't believe, frankly, that should be competent as the President of the United States. And that was a decision we made. And I think I am very comfortable still with that decision.
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Megyn Kelly
Do you think we'd be announcing a Middle east peace deal today had Kamala Harris won this election?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
I think we'd be sadly in the same position. So, you know, there were many, many, many decisions made during the Biden administration, which she was part of that didn't make sense. And I've known her when she was in California and I knew Xavier Becerra, who was Attorney General in California and then HHS secretary. So I watched during the Biden administration her actions or inaction and didn't believe that some of the editorial board was.
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Megyn Kelly
All resigned afterwards after your decision not to endorse. By the way, the chief among them, I don't think has found another job. So. Great call. So dumb.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, I mean, they had never met her. I had not met her as part of the editorial review. And they had apparently a pre drafted version of the most consequential vice president in the history of the United States.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow. Really?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
More than Dick Cheney. Love him or hate him, you can't argue he was not consequential.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, you know, so I thought that just didn't fly. And this was what I think. October we took that step. It had nothing to do with me and any other billionaires, but that's beside the point.
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Megyn Kelly
Right? Right. The implication is that you're all part of a club and you do what the others want done. You and I guess Elon and potentially Mark Zuckerberg. I'm not sure exactly who she means.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
I Have no idea.
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Megyn Kelly
But there was no pressure on you from other billionaires not to endorse?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
No, I. Because I think what happened was Jeff Bezos followed that. I can't remember what he did or.
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Megyn Kelly
Didn'T do because he owns the Washington Post and they also did indoors.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
So, yeah, we are a billionaires club, which is not the truth.
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Buck Sexton
What.
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Megyn Kelly
How bad was the blowback at the LA Times when you said we're not going to do it?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Pretty bad. I mean, we lost a lot of viewers and you know, the editorial board, most of them, in fact, I don't think anybody is still there. They all resigned.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
And you know, you. And I said, you know, in order to lead, you need to lead. And you did truly have a courage of your convictions. And that was our conviction.
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Megyn Kelly
Why did you buy the LA Times? Why were you interested in owning a paper?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, as a young kid in South Africa growing up in Potate, the only thing and you know, was part of that that kept me alive and educated was a newspaper. So, you know, I would every day go to the newspaper and actually pick it up the first as it comes off the printing press and run through the city and sell papers.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow. You were that kid. Extra, extra.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Exactly. And when, you know, look, I lived American dream. I'm an immigrant, came here, went to.
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Megyn Kelly
Medical school at age 16 and finished.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
When I came to this country and was a surgeon for the age of 30 and that I needed to do something and left to go build a Braxton and was fortunate enough to sell both companies because I wanted to do what I'm doing now and had so much money that this. The idea was to figure out a way to give back. And what better way to give back to actually maintain this history of democracy and free speech and availability for people to get educated and inspired. And we're going to the next step and I'll announce on your show today a big announcement.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, tell us.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Tomorrow we opening the Los Angeles Times Media Group private placement prior to the ipo.
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Megyn Kelly
So you're going public.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
You're going public.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow. So why, why is that important to you?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Because I'm changing the platform. When I bought it. You ask why I bought it is when I bought it in 2018. 2018, I had already realized that the paper in itself, in the sense of printed, we're going from the ink to digital revolution. And I'm all about technology. So I started building a complete new software platform called Graphene that could take podcast media streaming all the way to printing press to slack, integrated into one Platform people thought it was crazy. Started an entire system called Graphene and then launched the building of a test kitchen, a podcast rooms, a studio, broadcast studio and then nant studio which is the most sophisticated LED volume and gaming all the way to esports and integrating that on one platform. The idea is to engage an audience, whether you millennials all the way to who love to touch paper. We have the E newspaper so could we build a single platform that would be open to all audiences and really be in a form that educates, informs and inspires. And that's now the LE Times Media Group. Four brands, one engine.
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Megyn Kelly
Are you expecting a huge response?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
I hope so. The people we talk to are excited about owning or being part ownership. So we're democratizing the ownership through this system called Reg A and you can invest as low as $500,000,500 to $5,000. And the opportunity is really to open this so that it's a paper of the people.
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Megyn Kelly
Now you're not going to let all these people have editorial veto rights over the content of the paper, are you?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
No, we're not. I think it's a really important one. That's going to be news and that news is news. It's just the facts, ma', am, just straightforward facts. And then there's going to be voices which is you have a right to your opinion. And then there's going to be unrestricted, non editor edited like substack where people could participate. And then there's going to be esports and gaming. So the answer is it is truly a platform that's going to take over, which I believe that current media is, as I think I've heard you say it, a dinosaur. It is a dinosaur.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, it really is. I've said dinosaur. I've said dad, I've said it's like I said Barry Weiss taking over CBS News is basically like here's this beautiful ship, it's unsinkable, you might want to take the helm. Don't ignore it. Don't pay any attention to that iceberg. I love Barry, but the challenge of, you know, revamping a news organization like CBS is great. Yeah, what do you make of that?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, I think this is what's happening, right? I mean you've gone from basically reactive rather than proactively thinking about how to engage the audience. You go from whether you go from far left to far right and you bring figures that are polarizing or non polarizing. I don't think that's the way to do it. And you could see organizations now like CBS and abc, NBC are sort of struggling. So I think the idea is exactly what you're doing, frankly, what we're doing now, having conversations, long form conversations. And I'm grateful to have a long form because the issues are important people want to hear and more important, people want to be heard. And I think that's what is needed now from both sides. And that's what I created. I don't call it opinions any longer. Now paper, we call it voices.
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Megyn Kelly
That's good. I agree with you. That's why I don't think linear television news is living any longer. And what's out there now is just on a little, a little life support because people can't stand those stilted conversations. You. I remember when I was hosting the Kelly File, the primetime show in Fox, you'd prepare, I'd prepare, you know, two hours for one segment because it was dense and this, the topic was difficult to understand. The person would come on six minutes, you'd have to get up and down on a subject. It was so unsatisfying. And you have to be very honed in on the conversation. Make sure that you can just ask the most salient questions. But there's no room for the guest to think, to let his thinking develop or marinate in your thought and you to have a real exchange where like you're actually pondering what the other person's thinking as opposed to just banging through your questions.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
And the audience doesn't know that, you know, technical part of that. They don't know what's going through the anchor's head or she's not listening. They just have a feeling of this isn't satisfying. I'm not enjoying this as much as I enjoy it when I hear an hour long conversation with this same guest.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
And because most answers are nuanced, right? I mean, it's not a black or white, it's not a yes, no and a sound bite. That's what I said. I said, you know, most people want clickbait and sound bites. And as you know, as you know, as you produce for my history, for example, in 2016, 17, I think that time frame, Sanjay Gupta did a piece for me for 60 minutes. He came and he visited me for close to two years. I mean, it was crazy during the production, but it got reduced to 15 minutes, which is what 60 Minutes did. And the good news that cut it to its essence. And the essence then, believe it or not, was my launch of the natural killer cell and fighting tumors. But this is much more to Me at least satisfying because as I said, what I'm talking about is relatively complex but relatively simple. I call it simple and profound at the same time because it affects people's lives. I'm going through a phase now, as I said to you. I'm writing a book and I thought it would be finished by now. And I decided to cut the book off by half because I've gone through sort of a phase of hope to a phase of despair and hopefully come back out through that. But you can talk about that.
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Megyn Kelly
Let's talk about that. Because when last we spoke, we talked about the killer T cell. We talked about how you took this injection and you never got Covid. You never. I mean that there's some way of shoring up the T cells. What's the word. How did. What's the special word that Tucker used? Bioshield. And I said bio strike Y. So we're all working with you on the. On the branding, I guess, inadvertently, but that there's this way of getting your own body to fight infections and cancers without first line going to chemotherapy and radiation. And you're seeing real results. So that sounded also hopeful. So to hear you say you're in a period of despair and I've talked to you privately, so I have some idea. But do you explain that?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
So, you know, it was this naive thinking that if you can produce very fundamental first principle science of what, how your body works, that the fda, who and literally the career, I would call them now, career bureaucrats, has been there for 10 or 15 years, would be following the evolution of science rather than staying in the old world of chemo. I've discovered that's not the case. So after some meetings, which we can go into, I wrote a little forward for my book and maybe I should just read to you one sentence, right? And I said it sounds radical, but for me it confirms all his sense in medicine that our biology is more than chemistry, that healing isn't about poison or power. It's about unlocking the potential already within us. After all, so much of modern cancer treatment has its roots in warfare. Chemotherapy derived from mustard gas, radiation from nuclear weapons. So we've inherited a medical paradigm shaped not for healing, but for short term survival. Scarred by fear, power and control. Despite incredible advances in genomics and immunotherapy, those in power, meaning the pharmaceutical giants, government regulators, even elite medical institutions, continue to enforce a system that prioritizes money, prestige and consensus over the lives of real people. Corruption and regulatory capture only deepen these systemic failures in nagawa so what I discovered and why I left and why I sold all my companies was a lifelong belief that you and I have this killer cell in our body called the natural killer cell. And that's really the name of it. It's called nature's killer cell. But it was only discovered in the 70s, and I wrote my first paper in the 90s. That killer cell we've never understood. We can now activate that killer cell and understand what receptor is on that cell. That if you inject something called IL15, a protein that your body's making that would stimulate that killer cell, you now have a chance to completely attack cancer of all types. So going to the fda, they've approved a drug called epogen, which is for anemia. The way they proved this in the 90s was if you have anemia, regardless of your tumor type, you get epogen. And that makes sense. It's like getting a blood transfusion. You don't ask, you've lost blood. Is it from a gunshot or is it from a cancer or chemo, you get blood transfusion. So then they proved another drug called Neupogen, that if you have low neutrophils, which prevents you from having infection, they give you Neupogen, regardless of the tumor type. Well, if you have a low NK cell in T cell, which we've discovered, and we give you this IL15, and it stimulates your NK cells and T cells.
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Megyn Kelly
NK meaning natural killer, Natural killer.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
And when you call these two together, it's called lymphopenia. And to measure it, a $20 test. That when you do your CBC to measure anemia, there's a thing called ALC, absolute lymphocyte count. And if it's below a thousand, it's like having anemia. But more importantly, you don't have NK cells and T cells without NK cells and T cells. Those are the only cells that fight cancer or fight infection. So you should inject yourself to actually get that up. Well, we got this approved for bladder cancer. Took us 10 years. We have now patient with bladder cancer alive, free of bladder cancer, 10 years out. I went to the FDA to say, okay, I want it now approved for the other type of bladder cancer, for which you have 100 patients, they refuse to file. They refuse to look at the data. Now, that is mystifying. Then we have the same thing for pancreas cancer, lung cancer, head and neck cancer, and the responses. Instead of understanding that if you have a low ALC or low in K cell, natural killer cell, it's like Having low hemoglobin for anemia, you give yourself a shot. They declined.
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Megyn Kelly
They won't even look at it.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
They won't even look at it. At that point, they call it refuse to file. But more importantly, I'm. Now I have to do a can. Every cancer type, which will take three lifetimes. Lung cancer, pancreatic cancer, triple negative.
- [64:01]
Megyn Kelly
What do you mean you have to do a test, like a randomized trial. Randomized trial.
- [64:05]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Every cancer type. That doesn't make any sense before you.
- [64:09]
Megyn Kelly
Can get your drug approved. Is that what you're fighting for?
- [64:11]
Dr. Soon Xiang
It's already approved.
- [64:12]
Megyn Kelly
So what are you fighting for?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
I'm writing for the FDA to understand that anybody with a low NK cell or low lymphocyte count and these are the most important cells in your body. Yesterday, the Washington Post published the oldest living person alive on Earth. 117 years old, just passed away. The thing they discovered in her was an active NKT cell, the active immune system, which completely validates the most important thing to keep you alive, even to longevity, but to fight infection and cancer. Other cells that kill cancer. It's as simple as that.
- [64:55]
Megyn Kelly
Is it just a shot? I mean, what?
- [64:56]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Just a shot? It's a cutaneous shot. I gave it to myself.
- [64:59]
Megyn Kelly
I remember you saying that.
- [65:00]
Dr. Soon Xiang
No, it's a separate shot I gave to myself. It's a whole platform.
- [65:03]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, explain.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Because really, we have the short time, the last time. This was during COVID now. So in 2019, I recognized Covid was coming. I was petrified about COVID I slam. Because it's not a normal virus. This virus, it goes into every blood vessel in your body because it uses a receptor of your blood vessel. So it's not a respiratory virus. It's basically like cancer. And I wrote a paper. It's systemic, which means that once you get this virus, you have to clear it out of your body. It's no different from human papilloma virus, hpv, than a lot of people know about. It's no different from hepatitis. These are the viruses that cause cancer. So you have to get it out of your body. The only way to get it out of your body is through the T cell and natural killer cell. I sound like a broken record. So I developed a vaccine, you may want to call it BioStrike. BioShield. That actually stimulates your body to create T cells against the COVID virus and clears the virus. So when Operation Warp Speed came about, I spoke to Peter Marks and said the right thing to do for our country is for Every company to throw the vaccine into this trial where they were testing it on monkeys infected with COVID and see which vaccine clears the virus from your body. I don't care which one. I don't care if it's not mine. It should be the one that clears the virus. I was the only vaccine that cleared the virus.
- [66:40]
Megyn Kelly
So he did throw it in there.
- [66:41]
Dr. Soon Xiang
I threw it in there. The other stopped throwing it. Interesting.
- [66:46]
Megyn Kelly
Why is it about the almighty dollar?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
It is about the almighty dollar, because by that time, Glaxo, Pfizer, Biontech, Moderna had created a vaccine for antibodies. But I said it didn't make any sense because it's whack a mole. The spike protein for which they're creating an antibody would keep on changing, which it did. And even now, the vaccine that's been going about a given is already obsolete because the virus re changed again. You got to clear the virus. Unless you clear this virus, you then have a chance, sad, sad chance of having the virus causing inflammation and inflammation causing cancer. That is why I believe younger people now for the first time. And when I was in the first show with Tucker, I said my greatest fear of a pandemic of cancer happening on a global basis, and it takes five to ten years of latency for this inflammation to occur for viruses to cause cancer. So we I. The phase one trial, got it through, and I injected myself and measured T cells against the vaccine, and then Pfizer and Moderna and everything got approved and sucked up all the resources of the materials, and they vaccinated everybody, which is the right thing. So during the Trump administration, giving that vaccine to actually reduce mortality was the right thing. However, you needed then to follow on with a booster to clear the virus because that vaccine did not prevent.
- [68:35]
Megyn Kelly
You don't mean the booster that they were giving. You're talking about your. Your kind of booster? Yeah.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
So I applied to the FDA now in Biden administration, so 20, I forget the year, but I applied then to the FDA for the phase two where I would be the booster to the. They refused. Not only refused, they said they could not to this day explain why they did not allow me.
- [69:06]
Megyn Kelly
Is there a downside to this injection, this stimulator of the natural killer cell? Like, is there a risk that they were afraid of?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
No. They said we don't understand T cells.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, we didn't understand Covid or MRNA not long ago either.
- [69:22]
Dr. Soon Xiang
We didn't understand T cells because. So then I did a podcast with the science editor and Peter Mox, who's.
- [69:30]
Megyn Kelly
He.
- [69:32]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Gosh, I forget his name, but I'll send you the. That podcast is live on YouTube.
- [69:37]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
The science. Oh my God, I'm sorry, I forget his name.
- [69:46]
Megyn Kelly
That's okay.
- [69:46]
Dr. Soon Xiang
He's gonna get mad at me, but he's a good guy. He said, let's do a podcast, a live podcast and video podcast and have Peter on and you on and ask this question and you should listen to this podcast. And to this day they said, orlando, don't worry, we'll give you guidance. And they've never did that. So I went to South Africa and did the phase two, but then we ran out of materials and now it's not possible. And then I focused on what you call now the bioshield. So the shot I gave myself then was the vaccine to provide long lasting memory T cells from the very first Covid, which was called MERS. Way back 17 years ago, those people got T cells to the COVID to not get Covid.
- [70:38]
Megyn Kelly
Wow.
- [70:40]
Dr. Soon Xiang
So this is the whole point. You get long term memory, not only so that you don't have this inflammation, so that you don't transmit to another.
- [70:49]
Megyn Kelly
Person a true vaccine.
- [70:52]
Dr. Soon Xiang
A true vaccine. So now you understand my.
- [70:55]
Megyn Kelly
You don't have to tell me who, but did you give it to anybody else?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, we did phase one, so yes.
- [71:01]
Megyn Kelly
And how did those results come out?
- [71:03]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, they were like T cells.
- [71:05]
Megyn Kelly
Same thing.
- [71:06]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Even in South Africa. Even in South Africa, the patients with hiv, we gave them to them generated T cells.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, so they generated the T cells, but then did they do the thing that they're supposed to do? Did the people not get Covid?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, of the phase one, we only did. Very few patients, to my knowledge, not only didn't get Covid, but if they. I've got some now, these are anecdotes. So, you know, I'm a scientist, you need to do big trials. And so whatever I'm telling you now is really just anecdotes. But of the people that I knew personally, because obviously my spouse got Covid, she got the vaccine, and I was with her sleeping on the same bed. I didn't get Covid.
- [71:49]
Megyn Kelly
The Fazine. I mean the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine.
- [71:53]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Correct.
- [71:53]
Megyn Kelly
Okay. Not your vaccine.
- [71:55]
Dr. Soon Xiang
So it's protective. So that was one level of frustration. And I said, okay, fine, it's time to move on. Because we didn't have the resources now at this point, nor the material to the spy shield of actually stimulating the natural killer cell. Because.
- [72:11]
Megyn Kelly
Can you just. For the. For us non scientists, what does that mean? Like what kind of resources or materials would you need? Do you have to have government buy in to realistically do a study like that?
- [72:21]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Because you need to grow these cells in order to make this unique.
- [72:24]
Megyn Kelly
Because you need permission.
- [72:25]
Dr. Soon Xiang
No, no permission. You need the material, all the materials being sucked up. Remember there was during this period of time that the allocation of the plastic bags, the, the media, the culture, the systems were being allocated to Pfizer and to Moderna. And it's like electricity or gas is not left. Okay, right to this day, in the entire history of everything I've developed, not one penny has come to me from the government. Not one.
- [72:56]
Megyn Kelly
And that's unusual.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
We funded it, I funded it myself, personally.
- [73:02]
Megyn Kelly
We talked about this last time, but you were paid some 9, between 9 and $10 billion for your drug companies that you developed on your own as a working physician and researcher. And so you are able to self fund this, but you're saying it would be easier with the government's help and you actually can't get access to the materials. You need to do what you can do without the government's help.
- [73:23]
Dr. Soon Xiang
And that was during the Biden administration. Now you understand when Biden and Kamala and the people and HHS secretary during that time. And why was I put on, why we were put on hold, why was this not allowed? I can't get that answer. Never did get that answer. We'll never get that answer.
- [73:42]
Megyn Kelly
So now we've had Trump for eight.
- [73:43]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Months and now I'm into the biochildren. So now we've gone from COVID Now I worry about long Covid. Now I worry about what is this virus doing in our body now. Now we get into this idea, is it the vaccine or is it the virus? I don't know because both of them have spike protein. It's a spike protein that I worry about because the spike protein goes into the blood vessels and goes to every tissue.
- [74:14]
Megyn Kelly
Talking about now the super surge in cancers among young people, colon cancer in particular, but many others I've never seen in the history.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
And I've been in cancer business, sadly but happily, because I think it's a wonderful purpose of life. A 10 year old, 12 year old, 13 year old, cancers of colon, colon cancer. So David Kern, I'll name him, is the head of Oxford University, was almost in tears just two weeks ago. In his hands, a 13 year old boy died of metastatic colon cancer.
- [74:50]
Megyn Kelly
That's crazy.
- [74:51]
Dr. Soon Xiang
In my hands, in my clinic in Los Angeles, a kid from Butler, the same place, the same town where President Trump got shot, came to see me because nobody would treat this poor kid with metastatic pancreatic cancer.
- [75:06]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, no.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
And so we tried to get the hospitals around to please treat the child and we would help, advise and send whatever we could. And they said, no, they can't treat this child because he's got an adult disease and they don't know how to treat pancreatic cancer. And I said, okay, fine, fly out to our clinic. And the poor kid with her family would fly all the way from Butler to LA and we would treat him as best as we could. By the time he got to us, the child was so ridden with cancer, he passed away. And so that you ask from hope to despair. We do know now that if we catch the cancer early enough, even if you fail chemo, you fail radiation, brain tumors. We now have patients with brain tumors who have failed everything. Come to see us. We're getting almost a complete response. We have a patient with head and neck cancer.
- [76:07]
Megyn Kelly
The tumors shrink.
- [76:09]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Yes, Just.
- [76:10]
Megyn Kelly
Just thanks to this injection, which will fire up your natural killer cells.
- [76:14]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Correct. The injection together with NK cells that we infuse into the patient. That's it.
- [76:19]
Megyn Kelly
Wait, together with. So what's in the injection?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Okay, so let's talk about that, because I think that's really important for your audience to understand. It's a platform. It's not a, you know, one shot. You come in, you go to CVS and you go, what's in this junction is your body. And my body is creating a protein called IL15, interleukin 15. It's a medical term that IL15 is the trigger that your natural killer cells are looking for to stimulate itself.
- [76:50]
Megyn Kelly
It's like food for the natural killer cell.
- [76:52]
Dr. Soon Xiang
But it only lasts for two minutes in your body when you get an infection, because it wants to turn on and then stop.
- [76:59]
Megyn Kelly
Good.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
But giving something for two minutes. The NIH tried to develop this for 10 years. The NIH and NCI designated this IL15 as the most important molecule to cure cancer. And they failed to develop it because it couldn't make it last long more. Could they figure out how to actually just target directly the zen K cells? We did that.
- [77:23]
Megyn Kelly
It's not a question of just having like an hour long infusion.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
It's a subcutaneous injection for five minutes. You inject it, it goes into your body, it stays there for seven days. And during that seven days, it proliferates your NK cells. So I'll just tell the public I did it to myself.
- [77:46]
Megyn Kelly
As a healthy man. You weren't dealing with anything.
- [77:48]
Dr. Soon Xiang
In fact, we've done this with healthy volunteers already.
- [77:50]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
More importantly, the NCI then designated US National Cancer institute to treat patients without cancer, I. E. Patients with what we call lynch syndrome.
- [78:02]
Megyn Kelly
Lynch.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Yep. Which affects 1 in 280Americans with the 80% higher risk of colon cancer, breast cancer, ovarian cancer, endometrial cancer. And we're giving them this bioshield together with a T cell educator against those cancers. We've completed the accrual of that trial. So this is.
- [78:26]
Megyn Kelly
When did you begin doing this?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Two years ago.
- [78:29]
Megyn Kelly
And so those patients aren't showing any. They're not growing a third ear. You know, like in terms of the.
- [78:35]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Downside, we've injected this in 8,000 patients already.
- [78:38]
Megyn Kelly
And what kind of response rate have you seen from the people who do have a cancer?
- [78:42]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Metastatic pancreatic cancer patients now alive still six years. Merkel cell carcinoma patients went for nine years. Bladder cancer, which I just tell you, for which it's approved, patients are free of disease. 10 years.
- [79:00]
Megyn Kelly
Why? Why?
- [79:01]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Triple negative risk cancer, complete response after third line head and neck cancer cancer.
- [79:08]
Megyn Kelly
Why would it get approved for bladder cancer and be accepted as effective?
- [79:13]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Because it was the first trial that, that was ready to go to the fda.
- [79:17]
Megyn Kelly
But this is back to the. They want you to do one of those for each and every single kind of cancer.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
And it took 10 years to get the bladder cancer thing approved. 700,000 pages of filing with the FDA. The review process took two and a half years. It just got approved in August20, April, 2024. This is why I said this president, who you. You and I talked about it in his presidency, could inform the world and the FDA that there's a breakthrough for all tumor types. It's like if you have anemia, do you get a blood transfusion? Do you ask, do you have your last blood? Because you have breast cancer.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. The point is you need a blood blood.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Does your body need natural killer cells and T cells regardless of the tumor type? Especially since we've done this in every tumor type. It is not possible to do randomized trial in lung cancer, which by the way, we have now started. So I've resorted to. If you go to csfm.org or.com you will see the trials that I'm now open as randomized trials. So we're now taking patients with lung cancer who failed everything.
- [80:33]
Megyn Kelly
Say the website again.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
CSS, which is chance soon. CSS. IFM, which is the Institute for Molecular Medicine.com or.org.
- [80:44]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
It's our clinic. And so we've taken patients now as a request who have failed second line, third line, lung cancer, failed chemo, failed radiation, failed checkpoints. And we showed, when we give that the same checkpoint while you're progressing, our Ink TiVo, our BioShield, we've tripled the survival.
- [81:09]
Megyn Kelly
Last time we spoke, I remembered you'd said something about it's best to come to you first before the chemo and the radiation.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Because the moment you have chemo, the moment you have radiation, guess what it does? It wipes out your NK cells and T cells. Think about what we've been doing for 40 years. We've been trained, as I just said in this forward to have a short term gain thinking the tumor goes down. You call that a response? In the jargon of the fda, a response rate. But then they get metastasis and then they die. And, and the reason they get metastasis, in order to get that very short term response rate, you've wiped out the exact cells that actually can give you memory and have you a long life, a long duration of life. You said we don't count that.
- [82:04]
Megyn Kelly
So the first thing you would do if you had someone close to you who got cancer, any kind of cancer, and they said, doc, please help me, the first thing you would do is start them on this program.
- [82:16]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Megan, this is why I'm in despair. We sent your team the files. Now we now have over 10,000 requests. My one clinic, I can only choose. We can only have the capability of having 20 to 30 people in the clinic. And every time we say no, these.
- [82:37]
Megyn Kelly
Are the files that you sent us?
- [82:39]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Yes. Every time we say no, I feel such great despair because I know what's going to happen to that patient. To which we say no.
- [82:51]
Megyn Kelly
Oh no, that's awful.
- [82:53]
Dr. Soon Xiang
But we don't need to say no because this should be made available to the country by a stroke of a pen.
- [83:02]
Megyn Kelly
Okay? I don't understand what's happening because now we do have Bobby Kennedy in there who is very open minded to new solutions to old problems. Marty Makary, who's the real deal, a smart Dr. Running FDA. So I think you think you feel like you're still getting stiff armed. Why? Do we know why?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
I don't know why. Well, I do know why. I suspect why. So I maybe as a scientist, when I say no, I don't. But I can tell you what I suspect. So I visited the FDA to ask. You've approved this drug for bladder cancer. You have in the package insert the Mechanism of action. It's the only drug in the history of medicine, which is basically your natural protein in which you have affirmed. It stimulates your natural killer cells and T cells and memory T cells. You've proved this for bladder cancer, where you have now it's technical cysts, which is called carcinoma in situ, with or without papillary. It's approved. We have now patients live tenures. We have patients who have not lost their bladder, for which if you remove the bladder, there's a 9%, 8% mortality from the surgery alone. And if you have no bladder, your quality of life, think about your quality of life and you get sepsis at 30%. Okay, so now we have another indication in bladder. We have papyri without cyst, which I've done another hundred patients, it's the same approval. All you want is an addition to that. After all the trial, refuse to file. I said, explain this to me. Why do you refuse to look at this? And they couldn't give me a reason. So then out of desperation, I'll just share with you now because I openly have to do this. I know this is a risk to myself in the organization, but I have to do this because I have to explain or answer the question of why. So I said to these two reviewers, senior reviewers, one a female and one a male, they've been here for years and years. If my father had bladder cancer and I knew I had a molecule that is safe, it's already approved and I could preserve the patient's bladder, my father's bladder, for more than three years and ongoing without chemotherapy, why wouldn't I give my father that chance? Response, I don't care. I almost fell off my chair.
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Megyn Kelly
And then what did they say? Why? Why don't they care? Like there must be some follow up rationale, right?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
We told you, they went on years and years ago. They said that you have to do another comparative trial against chemotherapy. I said that doesn't make any sense because chemotherapy kills exactly the cells. And in fact, here's real world data that shows that if you do chemotherapy, you actually don't have memory. You may have a response, but you have no duration. So ethically, how do I tell the patient, you're going to go on one arm and guess one arm could be chemotherapy. One arm is my drug. But I have to be honest with you that one arm is going to give you low lymphocyte count and the other arm is going to give you freedom. I wouldn't be able to even recruit that trial Response, I don't care. This is how we've done this for years and this is how we will continue to do it. I walked out of the room completely devastated and wondered what was going on. Three weeks later, I see in the press that Johnson and Johnson is about to get priority review by the agency for chemotherapy in the bladder.
- [87:09]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, no. Really?
- [87:10]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Yes.
- [87:10]
Megyn Kelly
When was this?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
A month ago. Oh. And they just got it approved. Priority review for which. And you look at the package insert, there's a 1% mortality from the chemotherapy put into a pretzel like device into the bladder and a 24% low lymphocyte count. But it got priority review. When we filed our drug 2023, 2022, even though it had breakthrough status, they refused priority review. Now, why is this discrepancy? Is it because there's a revolving door immediately to big pharma?
- [87:56]
Megyn Kelly
I mean, Makary is trying to stop that. He told me that. Personally, I don't know that he stopped all of the door. I think he slowed the door down by trying to stop the people who work at FDA from being able to go immediately off to the drug companies. At least that was on his radar the last time we spoke. I don't know how quickly that happens, however.
- [88:18]
Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, I don't know if he has control of where they go after here, but he certainly has control of listening to the science as opposed to the bureaucratic dogma that says this is how we've done it before. And I don't care. And I don't care that it's going to take another five years before these patients could actually have access to it.
- [88:40]
Megyn Kelly
Well, let me ask you a question. Let me go back further. What made you all your money? What were those drugs that you sold that made all the dough?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
So I had invented again, going off to Bristol Myers and going after Sanofi of a drug called Taxol. Taxol is one most widely used for women with breast cancer and it is dissolved in castor oil. So women to this day are getting an injection of castor oil into the veins for which there's a mortality. More importantly, there's anaphylaxis and mortality. And it sticks in their blood vessels as opposed to getting to the tumor. So I had invented the idea that we got to get rid of this and put it inside another protein of your body called albumin, which is the largest protein in your body that transports fatty acids around your body to the tissue. So I thought of why didn't I put the paclitaxel inside A nanoparticle of albumin. And we inject a safe drug that gets to the tumor without this anaphylactic reaction. That's what I invented. It's called Abraxane.
- [89:48]
Megyn Kelly
And it. It worked.
- [89:49]
Dr. Soon Xiang
It worked. And so Celgene wanted to buy it. They bought it.
- [89:54]
Megyn Kelly
It's used to this day. Is it still?
- [89:56]
Dr. Soon Xiang
It's in Bristol Myers hands now.
- [89:58]
Megyn Kelly
So nothing bad happened with that drug after you sold it? Like, I'm just trying to figure out why. Why are people so skeptical of you? Was it like the drug imploded or what's the history here?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
It's a billion revenue. It's saved hundreds of thousands of lives. A billion revenue as you speak today.
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Megyn Kelly
And is that the main drug called a Braxene. That's how you made the money on.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
The big sale then separately, I was developing because I knew we had a supply chain issue for heparin. The drug was 17 cents. That came from pigs, the intestines of pigs. And I had developed an islet cell therapy, and I knew we needed that as a molecule, even though it's a $0.17 vial. So I went to both China and the United States to ensure that the pigs do not have viruses. And in 2008, there were 87 deaths in the United States from heparin. From a Baxter Heparin contaminated, made in China. And we were the only safe heparin in the United States. So Fresenius came around and said, we want to buy that. So between those two, I said, it's time for me to sell everything, because nobody's going to pursue this idea that you have innately in your system a way to fight cancer and infection and Covid and TB and hepatitis and hpv. And God gave me this gift now because I had no idea, I had no intention that it was about money. It's about me as a physician just pursuing scientists and trying to make impact.
- [91:44]
Megyn Kelly
Well, that's the thing. You could easily just go off on some tropical beach right now and be enjoying your dough. So to me, this doesn't even pass any smell test as a money making venture that you're upset you can't get money from, you know, the injections that you're trying to get the FDA to approve. You have no incentive. You actually have almost no financial incentive to work at all anymore.
- [92:07]
Dr. Soon Xiang
I said to them about the COVID vaccine. I'm willing to donate it. In fact, I'm donating it to India so they can manufacture and give it to the world. It's the most frustrating Thing to me when they call me the billionaire, that's why I said I hate that term, actually, because, yes, the nuns taught me, no money, no mission. True, Very true. And the purpose of money is not the purpose of money. The purpose of money is what you could do with it to make an impact, to better mankind. This is the way I feel about it. And we've got thousands of employees, all funded by what we've done.
- [92:47]
Megyn Kelly
So, yes, I think to me, this is reminding me of what Elon was going through. And, you know, he wanted to build rockets and the number of regulatory hurdles that were placed in front of him, the red tape that he had to try to cut through just to launch the rockets. He's trying to get us to colonize Mars. And it was one of the, I think, incentives he had to get involved in government, to get involved in politics in order to address the problem that was stopping his core business because he saw it was so. He was so frustrated too. So maybe what you need to do is donate hundreds of millions of dollars to the next presidential race and, you know, buy your way through this red tape. Doc, I. I'm being facetious, but I. This is a common problem where you have bureaucrats under any president that just know no other way.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, this is why, you know, when Vice President Biden was vice president and Beau had brain cancer and he called me in to help him look after Beau. And then after that, I launched the cancer moonshot. Theoretically, I thought with his blessing. But then he launched his own cancer moonshot, which caused great confusion. And then President Trump won the election. And then in 2016, 17, he called me and President Trump then to join his administration.
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Megyn Kelly
Back with me now. Dr. Soon Xiang, who is talking to us about curing cancer and the roadblocks that he has encountered along his efforts to try to bring his drug. His new protocol is a better way of saying it to as many people as possible. So you had a phone call where we left, where we last left off with Trump 1.0.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Yeah, Trump 1.0. He called me to Bedminster the same time he was interviewing Mitt Romney. So my wife and I flew out to Bedminster and he asked us could we stay for dinner. We did. Then he asked me to come back to the Trump Tower. And I understand Hope Hicks is now your CEO.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
So you should ask Hope about the story.
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Megyn Kelly
So I will.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
And the little car that I helped with, you can ask her about that story that time was asking President Trump to announce. And you know, I visited multiple times and I was really thinking exactly what you just said, maybe I could make a change by going into the government. But I was in the middle of building this bioshield and the platform, so he offered me. Sir Patrick, what would you want to do? Can you go talk to Tom Price? I would love you to come in. And I said, Listen, Mr. President, give me four years. Let me work on this. And then in your second term, we can talk about it. He didn't have a second term. Now he's got the second term. So it's given me eight years. And now this is where we are. So when I was with him at Riyadh, with MBS in Qatar, with the emir. I shared, if you could see these videos with him, this conversation that we have now, the bioshield. And this is not only important, you.
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Megyn Kelly
Shared it with Trump.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
With President Trump, yeah. And his response was, please come and talk to me. This is important. And obviously this has been occupied with more important things of the world, which is going on right now. Thank goodness. And hopefully he gets a peace prize for what's going on in Gaza. But I think the opportunity now for us, for him as the president, to be able to make that difference and cut through this bureaucracy and this dogma for a drug that's already approved that can change the course of cancer, for which a drug that we have now in trials sponsored by the National Cancer Institute to prevent cancer with patients who don't have cancer, to my knowledge, it's the only molecule that's gone through those large phases. So that is where I am now.
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Megyn Kelly
Where, I mean, if President Trump could oversee some sort of a medical protocol that prevents cancer and cures cancer, the very thing that Joe Biden did say he was doing with the cancer moonshot, it would absolutely cement his legacy. I mean, truly, even the left would have nothing left to criticize him over. Right. Peace in the Middle east and curing cancer or preventing some sort of a medical protocol that doesn't sound that invasive where you could potentially prevent cancer.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
And the prevention of cancer has been now completed and completely enrolled. We mentioned it in lynch syndrome and injected throughout the country. Mayo Clinic, Cleveland Clinic, every membrane, every unit has injected this into healthy people.
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Megyn Kelly
If you have lynch syndrome, forgiveness.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
It's already been given.
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Megyn Kelly
It's almost better to get lynch syndrome at this point.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
You don't want lynch syndrome. Yes, but one out of 280Americans have lynch syndrome.
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Megyn Kelly
But what are we going to do? What else are we going to do? And now that we see this rash of cancers amongst the young people, as you were talking about, like young kids with colon cancer, you're mentioning age 13. I've seen that, too. But lots of kids in their 20s, like young 20s, coming down with colon cancer, like, aggressive forms, they don't know why. Some people think it might be linked to the COVID virus or the COVID vaccine. But I've heard the virus itself may be, like, in the bodies, making them more likely, like, almost priming them for cancer. And so, I mean, do you feel like this protocol of yours would stop? That would help?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Let's talk about that first. You know, I was really Reticent. I was invited, like, a year ago to speak directly to the NIH and the Department of Defense about our findings on what Covid is doing to the body with regard to actually stimulating cancer. We have in our body a gene called p53 that actually prevents cancer from occurring. Elephants have eight p53s. That's why elephants don't get cancer.
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Megyn Kelly
Wow. Did not know that.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
So you could be an elephant and you'd be fine. Guess what Covid does. It knocks down P53.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, really?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, no.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
We're about to publish that. Dr. Carlos Codone and I have done the work. It knocks down P53, and if you have any latency. And so therefore, it's what I consider no different from hpv, which causes cancer with the latent period of once you have HPV, five, 10 years. Now we are seeing, for the first time in America, head and neck cancer from HPV exceeding that of cervical cancer. So I've just treated. I just tweeted about 4, 5 now, 6 patients with head and neck cancer in our clinic. And we about to start now a trial, a randomized trial in neck cancer where we're getting responses six out of six.
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Megyn Kelly
So you wouldn't take it like, if you had HPV but you didn't yet have cancer? I guess I shouldn't say yet because you're not guaranteed to get cancer if you have hpv, but if you had HPV but you have not gotten cancer, that would be a good time to do this.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
It's a good time to actually maintain your alc, your lymphocyte counts. Like, is it good to maintain your hemoglobin if you're anemic? Is it a good time to keep your blood sugar down with insulin if you're diabetic? It is part of your human biology. So, yes, you need to monitor your ALCs. And that's exactly what I'm trying to get approved, is if you have low NK cells and T cells, whether you have cancer with infection or whether you have. You're elderly or whether you have Covid. Had Covid. So we have a trial now going on for the long Covid where we're giving this bioshield for patients with long Covid. It's open. So what we did now, out of desperation, is just, okay, fine, we're going to try and do this. I don't know how sustainable we can do all these trials because I'm getting beat up by saying, why are you just doing all these trials? Because we've Been forced to. So I was telling you about the lung cancer.
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Megyn Kelly
In other words, the fda, they keep telling you, no, no, no, not unless you do these trials.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
So for, I don't know, in our lifetime will we get. So are we going to avoid ovarian cancer? Are we going to avoid triple negative risk cancer? I'm going to avoid pancreatic cancer. Because we can do randomized trials that each trial costs 2 to $300 million.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, really?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
And how many people do you need?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
200 to 500,000.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, boy.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Put trial.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, wouldn't that be easy to find? I feel like the finding the people might be easier than funding it because everybody with cancer is desperate for not only finding it.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
That's why I'm saying we got this desperation call of 10,000 people since Tucker Carlson and since us having this conversation. And we can't play God. I don't want to play God. This should be available for the rest of the country. And one man can make that available for the rest of the country of a drug that's already approved.
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Megyn Kelly
Right.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
So the, the answer is at least for lung cancer. And soon we open up for head and neck cancer. And soon we open up for colon cancer. These trials. But I'm getting calls from young ladies with triple negative breast cancer in their 30s. I'm getting calls for glioblastoma, which we have failed. And the good news, we've got patients now 8 months, 10 months since we started that. So we know we're going to. It's sort of unstoppable in terms of the biology that if you get your alc up, you have a shot. So my frustration is said, you know, I wrote this forward called the Calling Beyond Cancer. Doctor's Reflection, Purpose, Power and the possibilities within. And I watched Jane Goodall's last words. I don't know if you've seen that on Netflix. Just. She recorded herself knowing that it'll only be released when she's dead. And she died two days ago. About your purpose in life. And she felt that was her purpose in life. To create communication with the world and make a better place and spend a life understanding chimps. I really believe that the purpose of my life is to figure out how to actually execute the power within yourself to actually fight this disease.
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Megyn Kelly
So do you have anything upcoming with the administration?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
I have a meeting coming up with the fda, not with the administration. I hope that maybe, you know, once things have settled down, I have a chance to sit down with the president again. He was really engaged with me at Qatar, when I was with him in Qatar and with him in Riyadh.
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Megyn Kelly
That was just four or five months ago.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
You know, there's a lot of disarray right now in hhs, as you could see, some from the polls. I'm just hopeful that people actually understand the science. And I appreciate voicing this. Now I'm going to put this book together as fast as I can so that the details can be seen.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. And then do a book tour where you're everywhere smart. But I mean, you're in front of the right people. It's just a question of whether they're going to do the right thing. You know, I. I don't know how it works exactly because I'm very disheartened by that report you just gave us about Johnson and Johnson and whether they still have some sort of control over the FDA and there are dual loyalties or there's some incentive for our bureaucrats now still to be playing nice with big pharma and potentially squat because there's just no other reason why we are here. Decades into the cancer battle with what feels like so little progress other than it's a money maker for these big pharma companies to have cancer not cured and to just have people go on and on and on getting treated as opposed to getting out of it. It's my own cynical take.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Right. And as I said, you know, I can't make the assertion that's a motivation because I don't know, but it just appears incongruous to me that you can priority review for chemotherapy and not priority review for a biologic that is safe. It's incongruous to me that if you look at how Merck got the checkpoint, inhibited immunotherapy, approved rapidly, rapid, rapidly, and has generated, I know, $30 billion of revenue per year to Merck or some number in that range. And yet we know that once you give the checkpoint, there's relapse very rapidly. So these are the kinds of things that I need to fight against. But I'm so mystified that we should. I don't want to fight anybody. This is for all of us.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. Like I said, you could be sitting with your tropical drink and your feet up, watching the waves roll in and go back out. At this point, you're clearly determined to help people.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, it's like a life's work. Right. And at one, I think when we go from here, and as you know, what drives me is the curiosity. So I've gone from. Because Part of this was I was building supercomputers and AI. I presented AI to President Obama for healthcare in 2008, believe it or not, with a one page chart. And the next thing I've been working on is supercomputing. And the next thing I'm working on now in parallel to this is transforming the Internet from radio waves to light waves using optics.
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Megyn Kelly
What can you work on? Making hold times shorter. What else can you fix?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
I'm very serious about that.
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Megyn Kelly
What is that? What would that Internet change do?
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Dr. Soon Xiang
So what the problem that we're having right now is connectivity, you know, because we're using thing called spectrum. And think about sound, the speed of sound versus the speed of light. And when you have the speed of light you have huge bandwidth because what's going to be the problem with AI is the amount of information required. You need a pipe, that's huge. The only thing that give you the pipe that's huge to completely with speed is light. So I've been working now on optics as the mechanism of transmitting data. And we are not only are this close, we've built this optic chip.
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Megyn Kelly
I can't even begin to get my arms. That'll be another, that'll be another segment. Well, nice tease for our next hour together. Although I think the next hour will be when your book hits and then we'll follow up with this. Whichever comes first, I'll take you. It's such a pleasure, doc.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Well, thank you.
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Megyn Kelly
Thank you for everything.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
Thank you for having me.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Don't give up.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
I won't.
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Megyn Kelly
Do not give up. We need you.
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Dr. Soon Xiang
All right.
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Megyn Kelly
And I won't give up either. All right, thank you Dr. Soon Shung. He's amazing, is he not? Thanks for listening to the Megan Kelly show. No bs, no agenda and no fear. The essential carrot puree, made with organic carrots, bit of green apple and a touch of ginger, served still slightly warm and fed mostly to 7 month old Harper and her 3 year old Doodle named Arthur, who helped clean up any remainder. The essential first bite made possible by Vitamix only. The essential.