The Megyn Kelly Show

Episode 1185: Trump Storms 60, Michelle's Racial Complaints, and Legit Case Against Letitia James
Date: November 3, 2025
Host: Megyn Kelly
Guests: Walter Kirn (editor at large, County Highway, co-host of America This Week), Sam Antar (white collar fraud expert)

Episode Overview

This episode of The Megyn Kelly Show centers on the media treatment of Donald Trump’s latest 60 Minutes interview, the enduring grievance narratives of Michelle Obama, dramatic changes at CBS News, and a deep-dive legal analysis into the federal indictment against New York Attorney General Letitia James. Megyn is joined by commentator and writer Walter Kirn, and later by financial fraud investigator Sam Antar. The show is critical, irreverent, and heavy on media critique, with a particular focus on hypocrisy and double standards in coverage of public figures.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump on 60 Minutes: Media Rituals and Bias

• [04:13 – 33:16]
  • Trump returns to 60 Minutes after previously suing CBS for an allegedly misleading Kamala Harris edit. Norah O’Donnell attempts to maintain objectivity in the interview, but Megyn and Walter argue her bias "seeps out."
  • Media Pressure: O’Donnell’s approach is described as awkward, stuck between appeasing new CBS leadership (Bari Weiss) and her anti-Trump colleagues.
  • Sample Exchange: O’Donnell constantly interrupts Trump (healthcare, ICE raids), leading to critiques about the lack of substantive inquiry.
  • ICE, Immigration, and Enforcement: Trump insists ICE raids “haven’t gone far enough.” O’Donnell paints a narrative focused on harsh tactics against non-criminals, which Trump rebuts.
  • Media Double Standards: Megyn argues these segments never feature victims of immigrant crime, nor do they contextualize violent acts against ICE.
  • “Political Retribution” Narrative: O'Donnell presses Trump about indictments of opponents (Comey, Bolton, Letitia James), framing them as possible revenge, not based on possible crimes.
    • Walter: “Isn’t all legal punishment retribution in some sense?... They deserve to be punished for all of us.” (17:21)
  • CBS and New Leadership: Extended commentary on the internal changes at CBS News due to new leadership under Bari Weiss—suggesting a frantic, unstable environment for mainstream journalists.
  • Clip that Didn’t Air: Trump discusses 60 Minutes settling his lawsuit, emphasizing the newfound access to unedited presidential interview transcripts.

Notable Quotes:

• Megyn Kelly [06:42]: “Oh God, you’re annoying. Isn’t she annoying? She’s so annoying. Well, doesn’t it give you a headache?”
• Walter Kirn [07:28]: “She’s caught between Bari Weiss and a hard place.”
• Trump [09:16]: “No, I think they haven’t gone far enough because we’ve been held back by the liberal judges.”
• Walter Kirn [17:21]: “Isn’t all legal punishment retribution in some sense?... If you punish someone who has committed crimes, I suppose it’s retribution, but it’s retribution on behalf of the people of the United States.”

2. Trump vs. Zoran Mamdani & “Leftwing Trump” Tropes

• [24:28 – 27:29]
  • Norah O’Donnell raises the idea of Zoran Mamdani (“a communist”) as the “leftwing Trump.”
  • Trump’s cheeky retort: “I’m a much better looking person than him.” (24:43)
  • Trump says if it came down to a “communist” or “bad Democrat” running New York, “I’ll pick the bad Democrat all the time.” (25:12)
  • Walter and Megyn ridicule the media’s lazy habit of “some people say…” questioning as journalistically weak.

3. Churn at CBS News & Media Critique

• [33:16 – 51:16]
  • Discussion of CBS News staff departures: Scott Pelley potentially leaving, John Dickerson’s exit, and Gail King’s celebrity priorities.
  • Megyn and Walter mock Michelle Kaczynski’s infamous canoe flood broadcast and her public disdain for MAGA dinner guests.
  • Media bubble: “As a reporter, to act surprised like this shows you’re not much of a reporter. You just assume everybody of a certain social class thinks a certain way.” (Walter Kirn, 48:09)

Memorable Moment:

• Michelle Kaczynski’s fake canoeing on air, lampooned by Matt Lauer. [42:02]

4. Michelle Obama’s “Racial Grievance” Narrative

• [55:09 – 68:01]
  • Segment focuses on Michelle Obama’s public statements about oppressive expectations for Black women’s hair and lack of “grace” as First Lady.
  • Megyn argues this is a universal female experience, not specific to race, and challenges the idea that the Obamas were not celebrated.
  • Walter: “No one in America has their natural hair except Dog the Bounty Hunter.”
  • The hosts accuse Obama of historical revisionism, especially for younger generations unaware of the positive reception the Obamas received.
  • Michelle Obama [60:31]: “We didn’t get the grace that I think some other families have gotten.”
  • Megyn & Walter: The Obamas were “universally celebrated… treated like Camelot reincarnate.”

5. Kamala Harris Flubs and Interview Dodge

• [74:52 – 81:22]
  • A tough interview with Australia’s ABC: Harris is pressed on Biden’s frailties and dodges; staff step in to end the interview. Walter describes it as “dodging a nuclear bomb” by not electing Harris as President.
  • The moment illustrates questions over Harris’s “presence or the confidence” under real scrutiny.

6. Letitia James Federal Indictment Deep Dive

• [86:04 – 110:06]
  • Guest Expert: Sam Antar, former fraudster turned white collar fraud investigator, breaks down the financial and legal facts of Letitia James’ federal indictment for bank fraud and false statements.
  • Key Points:
    • James received a mortgage for a “second home” but reported it as an “investment property.”
    • IRS filings and bank filings are inconsistent; she can’t claim personal use to mortgage and zero personal use to IRS.
    • Legal precedent (US v. Wells) holds that material misrepresentation alone constitutes fraud; reliance or bank harm is not required.
    • Media’s claim of a weak case is inaccurate—case law and documentation indicate serious exposure for James.
    • Patterns of similar misstatements in her financial disclosures for other properties.
  • Discussion of Media Spin: Sam and Megyn emphasize that media is intentionally confusing the facts; case is stronger than portrayed.

Notable Quotes:

• Sam Antar [101:17]: “Every answer she gives causes another problem.”
• Megyn Kelly [108:19]: “Don’t believe what the media is telling you. This actually is more complicated… If anything, she wasn’t allowed to rent it out for more than 182 days… Which fraud do you want?”
• Sam Antar [109:30]: “She should conduct herself with class. She’s got no class. And that’s what I have to say.”

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments (With Timestamps)

• On Norah O’Donnell’s interviewing:

  • Megyn Kelly [06:42]: “Oh God, you’re annoying. Isn’t she annoying? She’s so annoying.”
  • Walter Kirn [07:28]: “She’s caught between a Bari Weiss and a hard place.”

• On Media Hype and Revisionism:

  • Walter Kirn [17:21]: “Isn’t all legal punishment retribution in some sense?... That’s who these laws protect. They don’t protect Donald Trump.”
  • Megyn Kelly [61:12]: “Everything is a grievance with this woman. And the nerve to be like, oh, we didn’t get as much grace. They were on every magazine cover… treated like Camelot reincarnate.”
  • Walter Kirn [68:01]: “They are one of the most golden couples in American history… acting like they had to cross a Ku Klux Klan, you know, line of hooded cross burners to get into the White House.”

• On Letitia James Case:

  • Sam Antar [101:17]: “If she’s counting the relatives… as ‘personal days,’ then she has misstated facts to the IRS. If not, then she’s violated the mortgage.”
  • Megyn Kelly [108:19]: “Don’t believe what the media is telling you. This actually is more complicated a case than it looks.”

Important Segments & Timestamps

• Trump’s 60 Minutes Interview Recap & Analysis: [04:13 – 33:16]
• CBS Media Upheaval, Staff Turnover: [33:16 – 51:16]
• Michelle Obama’s Hair & “Grievance” Narrative: [55:09 – 68:01]
• Kamala Harris Australian Interview Dodge: [74:52 – 81:22]
• Letitia James Indictment Explained (feat. Sam Antar): [86:04 – 110:06]

Language & Tone

The overall tone is punchy, irreverent, and deeply skeptical of mainstream media and establishment narratives. Megyn and Walter frequently use sarcasm and dismissive humor (“Skizophrenic,” “Game knows game”) while aiming for detailed, legalistic discussion with Sam Antar. The show consistently critiques double standards, hypocrisy, and revisionism, often suggesting the press is actively misleading its audience.

Takeaway

This episode delivers a sweeping critique of media partisanship around Trump coverage, exposes the persistent sense of aggrievement in Obama-era narratives, and offers a detailed, technical rebuttal to common media claims about Letitia James’s indictment. The conversation is rich with legal insight, media analysis, and quotable skepticism, making the episode valuable for listeners interested in politics, law, and the intersection of media and public accountability.