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The Megyn Kelly Show
Trump's Momentous Girls' Sports Exec Order, CBS Reveals Kamala Edits, and RFK's Odds, with Andrew Klavan, Ron Johnson, and Chuck Zito | Ep. 1001
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Megyn Kelly is joined by Andrew Klavan, host of The Daily Wire's "Andrew Klavan Show,” to discuss President Trump delivering on his promise to protect womens' and girls' sports, his monumental executive order banning biological males from female sports, why it marks a cultural turning point for protecting women, the false divide between men and women, how Trump’s unmatched resilience changed the Republican party, his "fight, fight, fight" mentality after the first assassination attempt, what we learned from the FCC publishing the transcript and raw footage from Kamala Harris' "60 Minutes" interview, the painful moments for Kamala that CBS News edited out, how legacy media lost the trust of the public, and more. Then U.S. Senator Ron Johnson joins to discuss Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s upcoming senate confirmation vote for HHS Secretary, whether any GOP senators might vote against him and any Democratic senators will vote for him, why he’s the right person to take on corporate interests...
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Megyn Kelly
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Donald Trump
You know, if you'd like to gather around me, I think I'm gonna be. Secret Service is worried about them. If we have to worry about them, we have big problems. Okay, do you want to have a film? Do you want to do this?
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Andrew Klavan
Watch, watch what I do and then.
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Donald Trump
I'm going to give you some pens. Okay, you ready? What a nice picture this is, huh? Governor, you ready? We'll do a good job.
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Chuck Zito
Way.
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Donald Trump
Let me press that. I want to make this a really good signature because this is, you know, this is a big one, right? Oh, I think we have a 10. We have a 10.
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Megyn Kelly
Surrounded by young, innocent, fresh faced girls who just want to play their sports against other girls. That's all they're asking, just for fairness and safety in sport. Something that for many decades has been a foregone conclusion in the wake of title nine, but wasn't recently, thanks to Joe Biden, that villain, and his sidekick, Kamala Harris, who actually tried to convince us she could do this job. You know, we've talked about this, but the night before the election, I went to Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania and did something I've never done before in my life, certainly not as a journalist, but not even as a private citizen. And that was I end a candidate and spoke on his behalf and urged other people to vote for him. And I was there specifically. This was my task. I wasn't asked specifically to do this, but my choice to explain my vote was to tell people that those who are mocking presidents Trump, President Trump's promise to protect women did not understand what he was actually going to do when he took the office. That I was voting for him specifically because I believed that promise. We spoke about that night, Lake and Riley. I mentioned her by name. What was his first order of business? The very first piece of legislation he signed into law, the Lake and Riley act to protect other young American women and men from the crimes committed by illegals who are here who repeatedly offend. And then in these sanctuary cities get turned right back out onto the street, which is what happened in Lake and Riley's case. And now what? We've had three executive orders, one declaring that sex is binary. There are no trans anythings. You cannot transition from being male to female or female to male. You can pretend you can call yourself that. Do your thing. The rest of us do not have to participate in your delusion and we will not be saying your pronouns or pretending that your delusion is anything other than unwellness. Then one declaring that the federal government would not be participating in any gender transitions because that's fake too. You cannot use Medicare funds or Medicaid funds to chop off the healthy genitals of children in the name of this sick ideology. Nor can any institution taking government funds in any way perform these procedures and continue to accept those funds. And now we get this one. This one that has 79% support of the American people. 67% of the Democratic Party is on the same page as Donald Trump on whether we should have boys who pretend to be girls playing in girls sports, men who pretend to be women playing in women's sports. The answer is no. This was immoral, it was evil and it's coming to an end. We continue to face uncertainty when it comes to the economy with a perfect storm brewing as Social Security and Medicare hit a breaking point as the largest generation is of course hitting retirement. A smaller workforce means a smaller tax base. You pair that with our growing national debt and rising cost of living and we could have a big problem. So what are you doing right now to protect your family for the future? Gold can be a safe haven in hard economic times, and Birch Gold makes it easy to diversify a portion of your savings into physical gold. Birch Gold will help you Transition an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold and it does not cost you $0.01 out of pocket. Protect your future today. Text MK to the number 98989A and get your free info kit on Gold and a copy of the Ultimate Guide for Gold in the Trump Era with a foreword by Donald Trump Jr. There's no obligation, just information. Birchgold has earned the trust of countless Americans looking to safeguard their savings and diversify them. Text my initials MK to the number 989-898 to learn more today. Joining me now to discuss this historic Executive Order and all today's news, Andrew Klavan. He's the host of the Andrew Clavin show at the Daily Wire and author of the forthcoming book the Kingdom of Cain Finding God in the Literature of Darkness, which will be released in May. Wow. I love the title, Andrew. And what it it's a similar theme to what we just saw today. They're not that Trump is God, but that God was present as he signed that Executive Order. In the darkness of these past four years Yesterday.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Yeah. And you're absolutely right that even though these are EOs and we'd like to see laws passed, these are incredibly important, because this is not a political movement that Trump is leading. This is a cultural movement. I mean, it's even, in some sense, a cultural revolution, if I can borrow a phrase from our old friend Chairman Mao. I mean, this is the complete destruction of a way of thinking that has been imposed on us, not just through the Biden administration. He was kind of the worst of it, but he was also the end of it. This is 30, 40 years of a way of thinking that is absolutely makes sense. And what Trump is doing is he's doing exactly what the left has so expertly done to us. The left knows how to basically, you know, what Scott Adams, the Dilbert guy, calls Talk past the sale, talk past the important point. So they get us into an argument about whether a transgender person can use a girl's bathroom or play in a girl's sport. And while we're fighting about that, we've already lost the argument, because we've already accepted that there is such a thing as a person who can transition from one sex to another, which there's not. Because Trump is such an expert at the culture. He's not an expert in politics. He's an expert at the culture. He understood that just by gathering those little girls and young ladies around him, he was showing us a picture of what we have been told to forget, that these are our women. These are our future mothers of a generation that I won't even get to see be born. These are wives of people who haven't even met them yet. These are the people that we cherish as women. And for years, we've been taught that women can only feel that they've accomplished something if they accomplish something as men. And that means that somebody who is a man who dresses up like them is essentially can replace them. They've taken away these children's identities. They've taken away their achievements. They've taken away their feminine modesty. They've taken away their spaces and their safety. And it is. When you see those girls gathered around him, you know, you really. You tear up as you say that God is present in that moment, because we remember what we always knew, that these are people that we cherish, and we cherish them in their girlhood, in their femininity, in their womanhood. All this stuff that has grown up recently, that kind of. These Andrew Tate clowns and Pearl Davis who tell us we hate each other, these are all Distortions forced on us by leftist feminism, by this idea that women are not valuable as women, they're only valuable as make believe men. And so we've kind of been taught, we've got this anger in us, especially younger men. I think they have this anger and this idea that we are at war with one another, that's never been true. That has never been true in any human civilization, in any successful human civilization. Men and women cherish each other. They actually respect each other. They understand that they're different and have different roles and different strengths, and they understand that they're complementary. And all of that was wiped away until finally we found ourselves actually allowing people with penises to walk in to girls locker rooms and bathrooms. I mean, it was a kind of insanity. 15% of the so called women and women, women's prisons are men. And I mean, this is the kind of madness that we've been talked into instead of basically living on our common sense, our ability to know what we know. I mean, it's really interesting. When my friend Matt Walsh at the Daily Wire made that film, what is a woman? The answer was not as easy to come up with as you might think. Because a woman is a whole thing. A woman is not just a body, it's not just a genetic code, it's not just a shape. It is actually an entire thing that we all understand in our heart but can't always express. And the left has cleverly used its cultural expertise to talk us out of that knowledge. And Trump is using his equal cultural expertise, backed up by a new media that supports him, to remind us who we are, to remind us that we're men and women. We're glad we're men and women. We think it's a beautiful part of creation, it's the source of all human life. And when you see them gathered around him like that, you just think, what have we done? What were we even talking about? What kind of nightmare have we been in that we have to wake up from it like this and tell people, pass orders saying you can't castrate little boys and cut off the breasts of little girls and you can't steal their spaces and their sports. And it's an amazing moment and a genuine transition. And I think it will last far longer than the usual executive orders.
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Megyn Kelly
I, I love everything you said. I'm feeling like, I feel euphoric about it, I feel emotional about it. I feel a lot for the girls who have been hurt over the past four years, who, you know, all these trans lobbyists are like Trans people exist, you know, don't erase our existence. They erase the pain of girls, just like that. They just pretend it didn't happen. You know, I referenced that night in Pittsburgh, and it was, for me, it was a big deal to go and do that. I've never done that before, and it was really important to me to do it. I. If I could convince any of my fellow women, because I know that there are a lot of Democrat women who were kind of open minded to Trump because of issues like this, who were still being told he was Hitler, who were still being told he hated women. And I felt in my heart that if I could speak to them, if I could reassure them, that even notwithstanding my weird past with Trump, I was fully on board in supporting him and that they needed to see him through this different lens. They needed to understand he really would protect us. He really would. And that absolute cretin, Chris Cuomo then mocked me for saying I needed to be protected by Donald Trump. I do want Donald Trump to protect me with laws that enforce, for example, our immigration policies, and I do want him to protect my 13 year old daughter, Chris Cuomo. So go fuck yourself if you don't understand that. But this is what I said that night, and it's why I'm so emotional today. The boys should not be in the girls sports. The boy should not be in the girls bathrooms. The boys should not be in the girls locker rooms. Peyton McNabb, North Carolina sophomore in high school, slammed so hard in the face by a volleyball, hit at her by a boy pretending to be a girl, she suffered traumatic brain injury and permanent paralysis. Kamala Harris looks at her and says, be kind, suck it up. And that's what's right. Why do our girls have to face brain damage in order to be kind to boys who want to invade their sports? And lo and behold, he did it. He stepped in there. He's been in office two weeks and two days, and he signed this executive order. Therefore, it is the policy of the United States to rescind all funds from educational programs that deprive women and girls of fair athletic opportunities. I don't. I'm feeling emotional about it. Which results in the endangerment, humiliation, and silencing of women and girls and deprives them of privacy. It shall also be the policy of the United States to oppose male competitive participation in women's sports more broadly as a matter of safety, fairness, dignity, and truth, directing that this Secretary of Education take all appropriate action to affirmatively protect all female athletic opportunities and all female locker rooms, and to prioritize Title IX enforcement actions against any educational institution that denies female students an equal opportunity to participate in sports or athletic events by requiring them to compete against or appear unclothed before males. What a. What a day, Andrew. What a day. He did it.
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Senator Ron Johnson
It's. It's an amazing thing, you know, when you really think about it, especially after the advent of Christianity, every Western civilization has been built upon the prot. Of women. The idea that women don't need special protections is simply a nonsense. It's not insulting to say when you have people who are stronger than you, who want what you've got, when you have the fact that you can conceive and deliver children who need to be protected and who make you more vulnerable because you're the one who has to protect them. Entire societies all throughout the west, since Christianity, have been built upon protecting women and making sure they have lives. The marriage laws that feminists fall on the fainting couch over were invented by churchmen to basically say, no, you can't just kidnap a woman and carry her off and impregnate her. You have to actually commit. If she's going to be faithful to you, you've got to be faithful to her. Entire networks of philosophy and society are all based on that. And the left just thought, we'll turn that off now, and it'll be fine. And what, of course, happens, of course women are victimized. And it's kind of. It's kind of bizarre that a guy like Trump, who has been a playboy and all that and has said, you know, insensitive things, should be the guy to fix it. But it's also kind of appropriate because one of the things that has happened is among the intelligentsia, the commentariat, is that they make fun of Trump for the way he talks, the kind of bluntness that he has. He's not an intellectual. He has no philosophy. And one friend of mine once called him the guy at the end of the bar. And I said, you know, when you've plunged into a time of madness, the guy at the end of the bar has a lot to say because all he's doing is talking common sense. And when. And when Trump promised during his inaugural speech, and he promised, we're going to have a golden age of common sense. That's what we're looking for. Because, again, Megan, we do know these things. We do know what women are. We do know basically what they need in order to live a full, healthy, normal life. We built our civilization around that protection. It's been the wonder of the world. I mean, it is the wonder of the world, the way women have been treated in modern Western society. When you compare society before that, of course there were flaws and of course there were things that had to be staggered forward toward and grasped. But it is an amazing thing that has happened not just in America, but in Europe in the 19th century. The rights that women have secured, the protection that they have and the entire civilizational network built to protect them. And the left just wanted to sweep it away like it was nothing. And when you see Trump with those girls around them and you know, I have a daughter and you do, and you know, you understand that this is urgently important. This is the, all of us should be, this is not a male female idea. This is something that all of us as civilized, Western, Christian based people should care about down to our toes. And it is, it was a tremendously moving moment and only part of this cultural revolution that Trump is overseeing. It's a beautiful, beautiful thing that he's.
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Megyn Kelly
Overseeing and that ushered him into office. Here he is just a bit more from the man himself as he declared the EO So one.
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Donald Trump
This is one of the big reasons that we all won, and it's one of the big reasons that we had a record, a landslide, like they haven't seen before very often anyway. And who could forget last year's Paris Olympics where a male boxer stole the woman's gold medal after brutalizing his female opponent so viciously that she had to forfeit just after 46 seconds. And she was a championship fighter. And actually they had two women or two people that transitioned and both of them won gold medals and they won them very convincingly. But all of that ends today because with this executive order, the war on women's sports is over.
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Megyn Kelly
It's amazing. It's huge progress. It does not, it's not going to apply to private schools that don't take federal money or to independent sports. You know, it doesn't, it doesn't govern the Olympics. It doesn't govern, you know, whatever, pick your sport that men are invading. That's another battle. And it's an executive order. And we still need to sign the law, the law that we just had, Senator Tuberville on the other day, who introduced this legislation. And it keeps getting kicked out, keeps getting buried even by Republican leadership right now in the Senate, which we're trying to pressure them into having a vote on this thing to it's the Call to Protect Women and Girls in Sports Act. So we need a law. The Republicans control the House, the Senate and the White House. There's no reason we can't have a law. This, this issue has 79% support of the American people, 67% of Democrats. Here's CNN's Harry Enton laying out the numbers yesterday. I think these numbers are really illuminating on this topic because I just think there's such a clear trend among the American public. So transgender female athletes in women's sports, sports only 18% of the country says that they should be in fact allowed to participate in women's sports. Compare this to the opposition. I mean, my goodness gracious, 79%. You rarely get 79% of the country to agree on anything. But they do in fact agree on the idea of opposing transgender female athletes in women's sports, as he points out. What does this country agree on? Names. Name another issue that we're 79% in agreement on. I don't, I don't think you can find one really. Maybe like how we felt about Betty White. Right. Like it has to be something that generic and non controversial. This is extremely controversial. The other way to do this is extremely controversial. And it's amazing to me. We're actually going to be joined by Senator Ron Johnson in after you because he's on our side on this and I'm going to ask him what he thinks. But this is the fact that Republican leadership won't let this come out for a vote in a Republican controlled Senate. Why not? What Republican would ever vote against it? And why are we afraid of making the Democrats go on record with their no votes when almost 70% of their own caucus, their own voters, agree with you and me and Ron Johnson on it.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Because the Republicans haven't caught on yet to the fact that the media is no longer controlling the narrative. The mainstream or legacy media is no longer controlling the narrative. They're so used to being cowed and frightened and whipped by this circle of media that surrounds Washington D.C. that they don't understand that nobody cares what they think anymore. Nobody cares what the New York Times opinion is anymore. It literally does not matter. And when you say that 79%, that's changed, like 15 or 16% just in the last few months. And the reason it has changed is because Trump has given people permission to think what they already thought. No one ever, ever has believed that people could change sex. I don't believe even the who think they believe it, have believed it. But it took a guy, the same guy who could take a bullet in the ear and spit the bullet back at the Guy and say, fight, fight, fight. That was the kind of attitude it took. Simply to say that the emperor wasn't wearing any clothes. Simply to say that all these leftist propositions were not just wrong, they were immiserating, they were immoral. And so if the Republicans as a group do not wake up to the fact that they are no longer constrained by this empire of lies, that the empire of lies has fallen, it is. If they don't catch onto that, they're going to be replaced. You know, they're going to be pushed out in primaries, they're going to act, absolutely disappear. This is a different party. It's a different Republican Party. There may be parts of that Republican Party I don't like as a kind of mainstream conservative, but that's fine. This is a picking up. It's a populist movement in the sense that it is following the will of the people, and in this case, the will of the people awakened by Donald Trump and other people who have had the courage to speak their minds like you. They're actually saying what simple basic truth that's right in front of them. And I think if the Republicans cannot bring this into law, they're out of their minds because I think if they actually bring it forward, even some of the Democrats are gonna have to go along.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. I mean, talk about a no brainer. I wanna pick up on your comment about the assassination attempt in one second, but you're a screenwriter, Hollywood screenwriter, in addition to being a very successful podcaster and book writer. Your comment reminded me back when I was much younger. I loved this movie. I actually still love this movie. I've seen it so many times now, I don't pull it up very often, but it's Far and Away by Ron Howard. It stars Tom Cruise and Nicole Kidman and they're Irish and she's sort of upper crust and he's more working class and he shows up in her hometown to kill her father, who's the wealthy landowner who had his dad, well, not killed, but was disrespectful to their family and burned their house after his father died. So he shows up there to try to kill her father and shoots, but misses and it's a debacle. Well, so she shows up and rescues him from the makeshift prison her mother has made for this Tom Cruise character and asks him to come with her as she goes to America. She's fleeing to America to live a more independent life and. But he's just tried to kill her father, so why would she do this? And there's a great line where she's up on this ladder trying to rescue him from this second floor bedroom, saying, boy, come with me. And he's looking at her like, you're out of your mind. And she says, what I saw you do out there. You spat on that guy's face. You stepped on his neck. That could be very useful to me. Boy, you said you wanted land.
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Senator Ron Johnson
If that's what you want, then come with me. Great ships sail out of Dublin and.
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Megyn Kelly
Liverpool, But a woman dare not travel alone.
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Chuck Zito
No, you're brave. You shoot men.
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Megyn Kelly
You step on their necks. When I saw that, I realized you could be very useful to me. And that's how you have to look at Trump, even if you hate him, which I don't. But I'm just saying, like, this is what people need to recognize. He is the guy who spat out the bullet all but and said, fight, fight, fight. He's the guy who told was who was told by everybody that Brett Kavanaugh was a gang rapist. And he said, no, he's going on the U.S. supreme Court. He's the one who, after January 6th, when the was like, you're gross and we never want to see or hear from you or your entire family again, was like, no, you will. And actually, I will be your next president. And I will never concede anything about January 6th. I did win. Has never, never budged. That that could be very useful to us in fighting the vicious, deranged far left that wants to erase what it means to be human. They. They want to erase, like, truly humanity. The difference between women and men is as fundamental and basic to who we are as anything else. And yet they insist that we forget it because of this small, not particularly well, group of people who happens to be extremely vocal and politically active.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Yeah, this is the exact reason I voted for Trump the first time. The first time he ran. Even though when I first saw him, I was shocked. I made an extremely viral video attacking. Attacking Trump the first time he ran because of his attitude and his ill manners and the cruelty of calling people names and all this stuff. But as I watched him, I began to realize that we were wrapped so thick in a network of lies that it actually was going to take a man like that to speak the simple truth. I believe in being polite. I love being polite. I think it is a wonderful way to treat other people. But in being polite, I've always said exactly what I thought and I've always told talk, told the truth. I think for most people, it takes a certain amount of just belligerence before you can break through this network. I've had conversations over the last 812 years that I cannot believe, where you'll talk about transgenderism as a good example, and you'll say, you know, they're cutting up the bodies of young people. That's something out of Nazi Germany. They're always talking about Nazi Germany. That's actually something they did in Nazi Germany that is Josef Mengele level evil. And people going, well, you know, there's this theory, this woman at a college wrote this book, and you think like, you know, and I've been kind of like, what on earth are you talking about? And I think this is the personality it took to basically bowl them over and knock them down. And it has been, you know, they threatened to put him in jail. They convicted him of a felony. I was watching him during that bogus trial in New York, perhaps one of the worst miscarriages of justice I've ever seen, in an American courtroom where they were accusing of something, nobody knew what it was. I was watching him and thinking, you know, I consider myself a fairly hard character, but I do not know if I could just spit in their eyes like this day after day while they're threatening to put me in jail for a crime they can't even name. And it didn't even stop him when he saw his mug shot. He looked at it and said, that would look good on a T shirt.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. And then his presidential portrait is almost the identical image of it. He totally leaned in. Somebody probably said, you know, it looks a little like the mugshot. And he was like, great, great. Then that's the one. That's a wrap of this. I mean, just. Just remember, like, that could be very useful to me. That could be very useful to me. Trump is very useful to all of us who have been trying to fight these fights, but without his steely resolve, without his power, without his never say die temerity and energy, and it's just such a gift to have him in there. Here he. On the subject of the assassination attempt and all he's been through, and, you know, there's just strength of this man. He was at the National Prayer Breakfast this morning and said the following. Listen to Saad8.
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Donald Trump
It didn't affect my hair. Can you believe that? Might have touched it, but not where it counts. Not the skin part. But no, honestly, it changed something in me. I feel even stronger. I believed in God, but I feel much more strongly about it. Something happens. So thank you.
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Megyn Kelly
So, first of all, just love his sense of humor and when it's at his own expense, so much the better. But second of all, Andrew, I think you appreciate the second sound bite because he went on and I think, you know, it doesn't seem to me that Trump is a particularly religious man, but I know he did grow up going to church on the Upper west side of Manhattan. We know the church that he used to go to and he mentioned God and the role of God in our nation this morning. Appropriate place to do it, but take a listen to the messaging on it.
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Donald Trump
America is and will always be one nation under God. At every stage of the American story, our country has drawn hope and courage and inspiration from our trust in the Almighty. Deep in the soul of every patriot is the knowledge that God has a special plan and a glorious mission for America. And that plan is going to happen. It's going to happen. I hope it happens sooner rather than later. It's going to happen. And it's his hand that guides us every single step of the way.
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Megyn Kelly
How about that? I mean, of course, we've heard that many times in church and so on, but the he. It's his hand that guides us every step of the way. I feel like Trump is the one being guided like Trump is the one being guided by that hand on a daily basis, setting an example for us all and improving lives for us all. It was just, to me, it was like very meta, you know, that he was saying those things, given all that he's doing.
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Senator Ron Johnson
You know, I was at the first two Trump prayer breakfasts, and on the first one, he really didn't know what he was doing. It was kind of embarrassing. He was talking more about himself and his success. I once called him back in those days and I think I was right. I once called him the first post Christian president in the sense that he wasn't even pretending to believe in the, the Christian verities. He would make fun of people for being poor, which is the opposite of Christ. When he was asked if he needed God's forgiveness, he said, no, I just try to live so I don't need to be forgiven. He really didn't know what he was doing. And when he would start to pick up the evangelical language of some of his supporters, I didn't believe him. Since that assassination attempt, his tone has changed. I can tell that he's, as you say, I don't think he's a tremendously religious person. I don't think he's studying theology or reading the Bible every night. But I think he suddenly does get the fact that these people who talk about God like me are not talking about empty space, they're talking about something that is really there. And his tone has definitely changed. And the things he's saying are things that he has learned from hard won experience. And I think it really is different and it does make a difference because that too, as I know I've said to you too many times, that too is something that we have to learn to talk about with courage and boldness and not be talked out of the things that we know or they here.
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Megyn Kelly
It's great to see him think about it and lean into it. I agree with you. There's a difference. Trump hasn't changed his basic nature, which is good because that could be very useful to us. But there's definitely been a softening. I think of him as a human in that he seems a bit more loving, he seems a bit more serene. He's still a fighter, all the things. But he has this other side now that we never saw much of publicly. Even if we were trying to cover him fairly and not part as part of the, you know, fake news hating media, he's just getting. He's more generous with showing that side of himself at a minimum. Okay, I want to shift gears because it was just a wonderful, wonderful 24 hours and worth the first half hour of our show. Okay. But something else significant happened yesterday with respect to CBS News. So the audience may remember that CBS interview, Kamala Harris Right before 60 Minutes and. Right. Yeah, on 60 Minutes, right before the election. And they, they put out this interview which they sliced and diced. And we, you weren't quite sure what was, you know, was this the natural, like, was this a full interview or wasn't it? And then somebody on, online, on Twitter was smart and pointed out that the tease that they had aired the day before on Face the Nation showed the interviewer's question, something like, Netanyahu doesn't appear to be listening. And Kamala's answer. And then the next night when they aired the full thing or that, that whatever. Yeah, the Monday night, it was the same question with a different answer. And that led to this whole thing where Trump wound up suing CBS News for $10 billion for fraud, consumer fraud, defrauding consumers to win an election. And the FCC demanded a transcript of the interview, which for some reason cbs, which is, would not release it became a big public firestorm. People said, just release the transcript. They said, no. Well, now they've had to. They were forced to hand over the full raw video and transcript to the FCC this week. So it turns out now we know the full sit down with Trump, with Kamala was just over 50 minutes. And what they ultimately aired was a cut down version that was about 20 minutes in length. Now that is typical for 60 minutes. They don't normally air their full interviews and they don't typically release the raw videos anywhere. But having said that, they've done it before. They released the full transcript, I think, or video of JD Vance. Kathryn Herridge was pointing that out. They've done it before. So once it became a controversy, why wouldn't they have done it right? The preview clip hit Face the Nation. It didn't match the version we saw the next night on 60 and watch. You can see that discrepancy in this clip. But it seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.
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Kamala Harris
Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region.
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Megyn Kelly
But it seems Prime Minister Netanyahu is not, not listening.
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Kamala Harris
We are not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.
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Megyn Kelly
Not much better, but slightly more clear with the release of the full video. Now we know how that whole thing actually took place. First, the question from Bill Whitaker was actually edited down and the part taken out was, was more pointed than the way it aired in either version. And you can see the full Kamala answer, too. It seems that Prime Minister Netanyahu is not listening.
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Senator Ron Johnson
The Wall Street Journal said that he that your administration has repeatedly been blindsided by Netanyahu and in fact, he has rebuffed just about all of your administration's entreaties.
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Kamala Harris
Well, Bill, the work that we have done has resulted in a number of movements in that region by Israel that were very much prompted by or a result of many things, including our advocacy for what needs to happen in the region. And we're not going to stop doing that. We are not going to stop pursuing what is necessary for the United States to be clear about where we stand on the need for this war to end.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay, so what we learned is that the first half of that inane answer was aired on Face the Nation as a tease. And on actual 60 Minutes, which aired the next night, they used the second half of the answer, which was more succinct, though I don't know that it was more clear. I'm gonna have to say 60 might have just been shooting for something that was a little closer to comprehensible. If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt. Neither answer was good. They both sucked. But now we do know that there wasn't more inanity stuck inside the answer. There were just those two bits of inanity. And they chose one for Face the nation and one for 60. Okay, but there's more, because now we've seen the raw footage of the interview and we learned that the next 10 minutes of Q and A was edited out entirely. Again, this is always going to happen. It's not inappropriate to edit an interview with a presidential candidate. That is the format of 60. And most of us, you know, have limited time and limited airspace to put our interviews up in this kind of thing and like a pre taped setting with somebody who's important. Not now, because I'm on podcast, but back when I was on, you know, the cable news or the broadcast news. But look here at what we never got to see.
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Kamala Harris
We are people who have ambition and ambitions and dreams and optimism and hope. If you look at the character of who we are and how we have achieved, the strength that we have achieved, I believe in large part it is because of our character and our belief in the promise of America. And I'm running for president because I want to do everything that is possible to create an opportunity for people to achieve those goals, those ambitions and those dreams.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay? So she. She said absolutely nothing. You guys all know how many times we heard those stupid phrases, meaningless out of her mouth. You can make the argument that, okay, they didn't need to include it because everybody's heard her say it. It. But you tell me whether it's putting the. The thumb on the scale editorially to take that out. In essence, you. You could make the case that you're running cover for her because she is showing how what an empty vessel she is, that this is all she's got. This is a major. Supposed to be substantive. Sit down. And that's what she fills it with. This completely empty calor. Calor filler that she says everywhere. Like, you'd have to have the debate internally about whether you're running cover for her. And taking that out. Later in the interview, Kamala went on a bizarre aside about picture day in school in Ohio on the subject of the eating of the dogs and the cats in Springfield, Ohio, which they also saved her from.
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Kamala Harris
You know, when I was Attorney General, the words I spoke could move markets. So the idea that the former president, who again is running to be president would use that microphone in a way that is about vilifying and demeaning a whole population of people. You know what has happened because of.
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Chuck Zito
That.
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Kamala Harris
One day when this happened was a school day. Picture day for an elementary school. Picture day. You know what picture day is for our children? Oh, God, they get excited the night before we put out the clothes they're going to wear. They go to school, making sure their faces are clean and their hair is done, and they go to school for picture day. You know what happened to these children? They had to evacuate that day because of the fear of the threats that were being issued in Springfield because of the words of Donald Trump. So, so I say that I'm glad you are pointing these, These, these comments out that he has made that have. Have resulted in a response by most reasonable people to say, it's just wrong. It's just wrong.
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Megyn Kelly
Unbelievable. That's where she went. Words have such power. What, you know, what could. What could happen to the children? Well, let's look at what did happen. Picture day got spoiled. It got spoiled. I'm telling you, Bill. And by the way, then she references the, you know, the bomb threats, which we know and knew were international. Some came from Russia. It had nothing to do with America. It was just shit stirring from out of the country. But somehow that's Trump's fault. All of which would have led to criticism of Kamala Harris. And it got omitted from the interview. All they included was that last sentence. I'm glad you're pointing these comments out that he's made. They've, you know, led to a response from people saying it's. It's wrong, wrong. It's just wrong. All right, another one. And I'm gonna get Andrew to comment on all this. But we had to give this to you in another section, a substantive discussion on the border, and this part was edited out.
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Kamala Harris
There are a variety of factors that relate to what we have seen globally and what we are not immune from at our own border in terms of what we have seen in terms of search, of immigration and irregular migration. And there are solutions at hand, but we've got to have leaders who are solution oriented, which we've been and are and I am going forward. Instead of leaders who want to make it a problem they can run on.
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Megyn Kelly
She's a know nothing. So, Andrew Clavin, was it election interference as some on the right claim, including President Trump this morning? Just your typical 60 minutes cut down or them? I mean, my own vote is like, it's not. I'M not surprised that all the edits they made were to her benefit.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Well, I dozed off during those last two clips, so I can't really say too much about them, but I think, look, you're right, it's subtle. What they did is they turned her from the babbling idiot we know she is into a. A faintly coherent presence on the screen. And they did that because they all vote for Democrats and they want to support the Democrats and they hate Donald Trump. That's why they did it. But it's so subtle. Can Trump win a lawsuit? Probably not. Maybe they'll settle, but probably not. But that doesn't matter. These people need to be shamed. There is no bigger criminal element in our country than the American legacy news media. They have really done us dirt. And as far as I'm concerned, each and every one of them should be paraded naked through the streets like. Like in Game of Thrones, while we throw rotten vegetables at them and cry shame, shame, shame. Because what they have done is they've made it almost impossible to hold anybody to account. They have basically cut off the flow of a politician does something wrong, the reporter exposes the fact that he's wrong. He has to pay price for it, either legally or at the voting booth. That's the way a democracy is supposed to work. And it can't work without a free press. And we simply have not had a free press. If you look at this country since Obama was president, there's just been no penalty for bad actions. I mean, the IRS takes after Republicans, conservatives. Nobody gets fired. Oh, there was not a scintilla of corruption there. You know, forget about it, because the press isn't looking into it. The press isn't exploring anything except how bad Donald Trump is. Most of. And most of those stories were lies. So now you have the press that isn't even held to account. You know, they tell us that Biden is sharp as a tackle. Nothing. Nobody quits. They tell us that there was Russian collusion, and then they give themselves Pulitzer Prizes for essentially elevating a Hillary Clinton dirty trick. They tell us that the Hunter Biden laptop isn't real, and we have to therefore censor any reporter who explores the fact that it is real. All of this stuff has been going on to cut off the people from any sense of reality. And I think it has played into the left's ability to tell us that boys can be girls. It's played into the left's ability to basically do terrible. The kind of terrible things that Elon Musk is exploring in our US Foreign aid all of those things they've been allowed to do because the press just will not do its job. You actually have young reporters saying, we don't need to tell the facts. We need to tell the truth. And you say, honey, if you don't know the facts, you can't get at the truth. You don't know what the truth is until you get the facts and until you report the facts and let the people figure out what the truth is. You know they've been demonizing Fox. And I know you've had your experiences with Fox News, but there is more real news on one hour of the Bret Baier Special Report show than there is on the rest of the media for a week. And the fact that they have been able to do these things without ever being held to account. It is, to me, glorious to see people being fired now, reporters being fired and replaced because they truly deserve it. These guys truly deserve to be. Shame. So can. Can Trump win this suit against cbs? I kind of. I kind of doubt it, but it doesn't matter. Expose what they're going to settle. Yeah, they may. Well, they're going to settle it because they do that.
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Megyn Kelly
Paramount is trying to merge with this other group and they need government approval. So he's going to wind up getting another donation to his presidential library, I'm sure. Listen, I got to. I've got to get to this. Before you go, you predicted the Beyonce. Beyonce nudity at the Grammys. I mean, almost exactly. Here you were January 3rd, long before the Grammys aired on your show, the Andrew Clavin show. Watch.
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Senator Ron Johnson
I predict that a starlet will show up at a French film festival wearing a completely transparent dress. And a news site will describe the outfit as shocking, even though no one is shocked or even particularly interested.
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Megyn Kelly
How did. I mean, you said exactly what she did, a completely transparent dress.
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Chuck Zito
Yeah.
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Senator Ron Johnson
I apologize to France for thinking that it would be them instead of us. But I think the thing is. Listen, this is my thing, if I have any superpower at all, is that I follow the culture really closely. And because I am an artist and because I create things, I can actually tell where things are going simply by watching movies and watching TV shows like this. And it's actually not that hard once you're paying attention to that. Instead of who's winning the congressional race in Ohio, you can actually see where things are going. And this idea that it's kind of a symbiotic relationship, these women dress in less and less and the media can Basically get clicks by showing these half naked women. So they have to be shocked by it. But at some point we've seen what there is to see. We're not that shocked. And so it was kind of a natural conclusion that this was the way it was going to go. And I have to say, if at some, at some point I just feel pity for these girls, you know, I mean, I just feel like this is what they've got, you know, I mean, instead of showing up beautifully dressed and, you know, elegant and elevated so that we actually admire them, they just have this kind of thing we, we stare at, which is nakedness. And it's, it's really kind of sad, actually.
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Megyn Kelly
I know I, I'm, I'm waiting for somebody to show up dressed like a normal person and, and just holding up their SAT score. Wouldn't that be great?
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Senator Ron Johnson
That's it. That would, that would be shocking. Then even I would be shocked. Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
Why? Who has the confidence to do that? It really, like, it doesn't take a lot to get attention, especially as a woman who happens to, in her case, be beautiful though. My husband Doug was like, I, I'm like, she looks, she has a beautiful body. He's like, she does not. She looks totally manufactured, like a Mr. Potato Head with all these huge parts added onto her. But I'm just saying it's not hard, not hard to get attention as a nude woman at a public event if you want it. It's sad that these two felt it was their only way of getting their name in the news. Andrew Clavin, thank you.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Great to see you, Megan. Thanks a lot.
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Megyn Kelly
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Senator Ron Johnson
Megan Should I be so privileged as to be confirmed? We will make sure our tax dollars support healthy foods. We will scrutinize the chemical additives in our food supply. We will remove financial conflicts of interest from our agencies. We will create an honest, unbiased, gold standard science at hhs, accountable to the President, to Congress and to the American people. We will reverse the chronic disease epidemic and put the nation back on the road to good health.
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Megyn Kelly
Godspeed, Bobby Kennedy. Let's hope you can do it. Welcome back to the Megyn Kelly Show. Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Was voted through the Finance Committee this week along party lines 14 to 13. That means he will be headed for the Senate floor for a full vote. Though that vote has not yet been scheduled. Reports are that it will likely happen next week. Will he make it? Joining me now with his prediction, US Senator Ron Johnson of the great state of Wisconsin. Senator, welcome back. So this is, this is important and I know it's important to you personally. Our audience actually is very familiar, I think, with the roundtable you did with rfkj, with UNMAHA issues, with Casey and Cali Means, with so many people who are in support of RFKJ because they care about chronic disease in this country, an issue I know is near and dear to you. So your prediction on whether he makes it.
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Andrew Klavan
Well, Megan, well, first of all, thanks for having me on. I'm optimistic. Now, I know that Dr. Cassidy, Senator Cassidy, had some concerns. Those concerns were alleviated so he voted for Bobby in committee. And I think that'll probably be the last hurdle. So I'm quite optimistic. And because you mentioned that panel, I thought that the most important snippet of Testimony came from Dr. Chris Palmer. He was a psychiatrist, does a lot of work with nutrition and mental health. And he made the point that they, whoever they are, they don't want to know the root cause of chronic illness because they are our corporate interests. And if one of their ingredients, a herbicide, a pesticide, a pharmaceutical, a drug, if it's a contributing factor or a cause of chronic illness or autism, that will disrupt their multi billion dollar business model. And of Bobby's testimony, I thought the fact he said he spent the last few decades suing these agencies. He has a PhD in corporate capture which is why he is exactly the right person at the right moment in time here. Because the American public, in a completely nonpartisan fashion, they want to know what is causing chronic illness. They want to know what is causing the devastation of autism.
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Megyn Kelly
I was thrilled to see Cassidy vote yes. I want to say again, thank you to the audience of this show because we gave out his contact information and I'm sure his phones were ringing a lot. But I think they made the difference because. Because it's not that often that, you know, a barrage of people start calling a US Senator's office or emailing the office. And indeed, Politico has a report out this week saying Cassidy acknowledged that his phone was ringing off the hook with calls from supporters of Kennedy and his Maha movement. So right on our listeners and viewers, you made a difference and America and your kids hopefully will be healthier as a result of it. I want to ask you about Cassidy, though. He sure did say that he extracted a lot of promises from Bobby in order to get the yes vote. We have some of this on camera. Let's watch.
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Senator Ron Johnson
He and I would have an unprecedentedly close collaborative working relationship. We will meet or speak multiple times a month. He will maintain the Centers for Disease Control and Preventions Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices. Recommendations without changes, CDC will not remove statements on their website pointing out that vaccines do not cause autism. But my support is built on insurances that this will not have to be.
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Megyn Kelly
A concern and that he and I.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Can work together to build an agenda to make America healthy again.
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Megyn Kelly
So he seems to be saying there that they're going to be super close. They're going to talk several times a month that he promised that the immunization schedule recommended by the CDC will not change. Change that is controversial. Just the schedule. Not pulling vaccines, but the schedule. And lastly that he will not pull down the statement that the vaccines don't cause autism. So what do you make of that?
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Andrew Klavan
Well, first of all, Senator Cassidy is chairman of the Health, Education, labor and Pension Committee. So I would expect that chairman of the committee would be in touch with the Secretary of HHS frequently. So as I listen to what supposedly concessions, I don't really view them as many concessions whatsoever. I know Bobby quite well. I've gotten to know him. We fought the same battle in terms of bringing truth to the American public during COVID And he's very science based. So I think his first task is to restore integrity to science. We heard President Eisenhower in his farewell address, the second warning after the military industrial complex was public. Funding of science. It was going to create a scientific and technological elite that would drive public policy. I would view that as corrupting science. Science has been corrupted. We have all kinds of evidence of that. So Bobby's first task is to restore integrity to science. Make sure that the data is transparent, that you have everybody at the table. Science sometimes is black and white, but often it is not, particularly when you're looking at cause and effect in the complexity of a human body. Again, my guess is Dr. Cassidy's a doctor. He can look at evidence. Bobby Kennedy looks at evidence. He knows how to read science. So our policies will follow where the science leads us, where the truth leads us. And I think both men, Dr. Cassidy and Bobby Kennedy, are going to come together on those points. So it shouldn't be controversial.
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Megyn Kelly
I think what Bobby's saying is he's not going to push getting rid of the MMR vaccine. Sorry, go ahead, Senator.
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Andrew Klavan
Again, he's not going to do anything thing precipitously, he's going to become secretary and then he's going to restore integrity to science and let science guide his actions. And my guess is Senator Cassidy will also allow science to guide his actions. And the fact of the matter is we have not ever tested any of these childhood vaccines against true placebos. The ingredients, for example, the aluminum adjuvant, I've learned, was based on a study with four rabbits. You know, one of the rabbits they lost the data on, the other ones were killed after 28 days, autopsies performed, and the aluminum was still in their systems, in their organs. So again, that needs to be looked at. These are legitimate questions that we haven't even been allowed to ask. So Bobby Kennedy is still going to be able to ask these questions. He'll still be able to drive the science and then restore integrity to it. So again, I just don't view these as a serious concessions he's making. He's going to be very open, he's going to be transparent, which these agencies have not been because they have been captured, they have been corrupted. And I don't think Senator Cassidy is going to have a problem with the transparency within these agencies.
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Megyn Kelly
Good. Well, good on him for coming to the right decision. And sorry for all the phone calls, Senator, but you did the right thing. Not really sorry, but I'm sure it was kind of annoying. Okay. Couple of things to get to here. When I sat in that hearing hearing as when I sat in the Pete Hegseth hearing, I could not believe the performance by some of these Democrats, Senator. And as a member of the committee that was listening to the first day of rfkj. I wonder what your reaction was when it spiraled down into moments like this one with Bernie Sanders.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Are you supportive of this? I've had nothing to do with these onesies. I'm supportive of vaccines. Are you supportive of this clothing which.
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Chuck Zito
Is militantly anti vaccine?
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Megyn Kelly
What did you make of that?
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Andrew Klavan
Well, you heard my reaction during my time to comment and question. First of all, it didn't surprise me, but it really disappointed me, the severe, extreme hostility of Democrats. Again, particularly knowing the events I did on Covid and I on nutrition and health, how completely nonpartisan it is. Most of the doctors in my panels were Democrats. They voted for Obama, they voted for Biden. But none of that mattered to any of us. I mean, we were focusing on an area of agreement. That's what Bobby Kennedy wants to do. So it was very disappointing from a standpoint. The Democrats couldn't recognize the moment that the American people are hungering for the information. They don't want to be ill. They don't want want autism rates to continue to skyrocket. They want the truth. They want solutions. And there's nothing partisan about it. And let's face it, as Bobby Kennedy said, these people used to be my friends. I mean, his name is synonymous with the Democrat Party, but they have just turned on him viciously. And that's just disappointing, particularly in light of the fact that President Trump, Bobby Kennedy set aside their differences, folks out of area of agreement, chronic illnesses, and so do demonstrate not only how you solve a problem, but how you heal and unify a badly divided, a horribly divided nation.
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Megyn Kelly
There are reports out this morning that the Democrats are now getting ready to vote no, uniformly, all of them, on all of Trump's nominees, because this is their way. This is their new resistance effort, because they're angry about what he's doing with executive orders with USAID and elon. And so now there's a movement by Chuck Schumer to have them say no to everyone from this point forward. If so, it would mean the Republicans really can't lose more than three. So to get RFKJ or anybody else through, you'd have to make sure that Cassidy stays steady and that there's not another Cassidy lurking. We all know that possibly Murkowski, possibly Collins, possibly McConnell, could be nos. So first, let me ask you, what do you think of that plan? And secondly, do you think that there is a different Cassidy who might surprise us and vote no against Kennedy? Because we are gonna need all the Republicans, I think.
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Andrew Klavan
No, I don't think so. And I've had conversations with others and again, I'm pretty confident that Bobby will be confirmed because most Republican senators have the same attitude as I have. We respect the convincing victory of President Trump. He's the one that decides who he wants serving his administration. Our job is to investigate, make sure there's nothing disqualifying the background, but if not, vote to confirm. And I think that's what'll end up happening in these cases. Plus, with Bobby, I did the initial whip count on him. And it's really interesting how the conversation went with Republicans and Democrats. They would always start out saying, we know there's a lot that Bobby's doing that I really agree with, that I really love. But. And he's alleviated those concerns, those buts. He's answered those questions. And people do realize, I think even Democrats in their hearts realize, that what Bobby Kennedy wants to do is unbelievably popular with the American public.
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Megyn Kelly
But you don't think he's gonna get any Democrats, do you?
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Andrew Klavan
What's that?
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Megyn Kelly
Will he get any Democrat votes?
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Andrew Klavan
At this point? Probably not, which is disappointing. Maybe John Fetterman. John comes from a purple state. He's understanding the moment. He has voted with Republicans when no other Democrat has. So possibly that. But it'd be nice. I think. Early on I was a little more hopeful, but again, based on the hearing, the hostility shown from even members that are generally more moderate in their at least presentation came out pretty hostile.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, I really hope that these Democrats, whether they vote for him or not, can get behind the Maha movement, which is not political at all. There are Democrat moms and Republican moms and dads, for that matter. Matter who want their kids to be safer and who want themselves to be safer. It's silly for people to prioritize this piece of our national conversation. It doesn't need to be politicized. Okay. You talked about these elites in the scientific field and how they've had a we know better than you approach and how this has been a long standing fear in the United States. I've been watching, as you have been over the past many months, trying to get documentation from the CDC and the FDA and the National Institutes of Health on what was said internally when Fauci and the others were there about myocarditis and pericarditis and other side effects and serious risks or adverse consequences of the COVID vaccine. Vaccine. And I have been watching as you've been getting stonewalled and stonewalled and documents that are supposed to look like this, but instead look like this because they've been so redacted, totally whited out as an effort to comply with your request. So what happens now, Senator? Because now we have President Trump's team going into those organizations, of course, rfkj, ideally at hhs, and then we're hoping Jay Bhattacharya at nih and we're hoping Marty Makary at fda. So are we about to get the full disclosure on what they knew and when they knew it?
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Andrew Klavan
You're aware of the fact that I have now issued what I'd consider as friendly subpoena for documents that again, I've written over 70 oversight letters during the Biden administration and been basically given the middle finger. So top of the list was the last 50 pages of Anthony Fauci emails. Unredacted, he released 4,000 through FOIA. They're heavily redacted. Even those were quite incriminating. We narrowed our search down to or request down to 400. We've been allowed to go into reading room, take notes, but make no copies. And we got down the last 50 pages. They have not shown those to us. We've been looking for those for years. So those should be produced unredacted. That'll be interesting. Plus the 17 pages of talking points. Instead of issuing a warning on the health alert network on the myocarditis that they were getting reports on from Israel, for example, in the early months of 2021, right after the rollout, they were going to issue an alert on that health alert network. Instead, they came up with a 17 page talking point memo. It'll be really interesting to put together all the timelines of what these federal officials were telling the public, what lies they were telling the American public versus what they actually knew behind the scenes. But we should get those 17 page talking points. That should be pretty interesting as well. But also their proportional reporting ratios, their empirical Bayesian analysis, which should be public information, but they've kept hidden, should also be pretty revealing. So again, we already know people like Fauci, Francis Collins, these federal health officials lied to the American public repeatedly about their injection, about COVID They didn't base things on science, they just pulled it out of the air. I think there's gonna be a reckoning. I think there's gonna be a lot of truth being exposed here in the next couple months.
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Megyn Kelly
I'll be very interested to see what you guys find. Please keep us in the loop and we'll have you back on once you get your information back. All right. Last but certainly not least, this historic executive order by President Trump today on women's and girls sports, keeping men and boys, boys out of them. And we spoke with Coach Tuberville, Senator Tuberville, last week about why he can't get a vote on the Senate floor on his bill that would turn this exact executive order into law. We all love the four year reprieve from this madness, but we'd much rather have it written into a law where the next president, if it were a Democrat, could not just revoke it with a different executive order. So. So what is your take, Senator, on why John Thune will not schedule a vote on the Protect Women and Girls and Sports Act?
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Andrew Klavan
My guess is merely a timing issue. And again, President Trump has acted boldly, swiftly, decisively to make sure that girls aren't going to be harmed by male athletes. Now, they're not going to be in their locker room, their bathroom, or they're going to risk, those organizations are going to risk loss of federal funding. So I think we have time to actually put this forward. Now it'll be interesting to see where the Democrats will join us. Of all the crazy, I mean, just gobsmackingly crazy agenda items of the Democrat Party, the fact that they promoted this transgenderism agenda and allowed male athletes to compete against our girls is the most, like I say, just jaw dropping of all of them. So let's hope Democrats have seen the light and we can codify this so that the next crazy Democrat president doesn't go back to this transgenderism and put our girls and women at risk.
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Megyn Kelly
All right, when you say you think it's just a matter of timing, what does that mean? Because we don't wanna wait until after the midterms when we might not control both houses of Congress with sane people who will vote for this. So what does that mean? I mean, are you confident that Thune will bring it to the floor for a vote in the Senate? Yeah.
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Andrew Klavan
I'd be shocked if you didn't. Again, Democrats are not cooperating on nominations, so we're having to run the clock. Clock. And we have limited time for legislation. Right now, it's all about confirming President Trump's nominees so they can start getting in there, cleaning out the deep state. Again, I think the confirmation process is completely out of control. I dramatically reduced the number of confirmed positions for both Democrat and Republican presidents, but that's not the state we're in. So right now, top priorities. Get these people in place and we'll turn our attention to this again, this would be a pretty, I think a high priority bill to get on the Senate floor to at least put Democrats on notice, put them on record that they, they really want biological males to harm our girls. I don't think that's a good vote for them.
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Megyn Kelly
67% of Democrats are in favor of Trump's policy. 67% of Democrats, 79% of the electorate as a whole. So you should bring it to a floor, make them say no. Make them say no before the mention. That would be really fun to watch. A couple of things you mentioned, you're in a big push to get Trump's nominees through. Well, in the wake of the funding freezes that Trump issued early last week, both with respect to some foreign aid. Now we've got the USAID controversy and other issues. The Democrats have decided to make Russ vote, the nominee for omb, Office of Management and Budget, their new fall guy. They, they don't want him to get through, but they can't stop him because he does have the votes. So they're, they're doing like a sleep in, I guess they can, they can delay the vote by 30 hours. Here is Chris Murphy, Democrat senator from Connecticut. On the, on this sacrifice he and his staffers have made.
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Senator Ron Johnson
I took the 2am actually was on the floor about 1am so about 1am to 5am shift. I slept on my couch for about two hours of fitful sleep. I'm back up and headed off campus right now to talk about the danger of Trump's foreign policy. We don't rest. We don't rest. This is an urgent moment. We have days or weeks to be able to mount an effective opposition, to stop this slide away from democracy. And so I thank all my colleagues who have been part of this important night and we're going right back at it today.
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Megyn Kelly
They don't rest. Senator, your response?
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Andrew Klavan
Big whoop, huh? What a charade. Again, they're not cooperating. They're dragging their feet. They're making us round the clock. But Russ Vogt, by the way, one of the better if not best nominees for President Trump because Russ is head of omb, he writes the rules, the regulations to implement a lot of what President Trump is trying to do. And so he's just a key figure, highly experienced, very conservative. So I'm a big Russ Volt supporter.
- [72:22]
Megyn Kelly
Are you resting on the gop? Did you sleep on a cot?
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Andrew Klavan
Listen, we've done some of that stuff too, but again, really, I'm not into feudal in general every now. And you just gotta show your supporters you're willing to fight. That's what Democrats are doing. Like I say, big whoop. It's no big deal, right?
- [72:39]
Megyn Kelly
They're yelling into the wind. Which is a cleaned up version of the way that saying normally. Senator, it's a pleasure, thanks so much for being here.
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Andrew Klavan
Thanks for having me on. Have a great day.
- [72:49]
Megyn Kelly
You too. Ron Johnson, everyone. Okay, up next, Chuck Zito is here. Superstar, former Hell's angel, bodyguard, stuntman, actor, friend of Trump. I mean, he's a man of many trades and he is here in his full glory right after this break. These days, personal safety is not something that can be left to chance. Whether at home, on the road, or just living everyday life, having a reliable way to protect yourself and your family is crucial. This is why Burna is the choice for so many. Byrna is a game changing, less lethal self defense tool. Compact, powerful and easy to use, it provides the confidence to act in any situation. Burna uses non lethal rounds, tear gas, pepper and kinetic projectile to effectively stop a threat from a safe distance. And the best part is Burner can be shipped direct to your door and it's legal in all 50 states. The good thing about Burna, if you're, you know, somebody who doesn't practice with firearms all the time, is you don't even have to have the best aim. If you can hit like the wall right behind the intruder or the bad guy, you could potentially incapacitate him with this, what's essentially, essentially like a chemical weapon in this projectile. So you don't actually have to hit the guy. As long as you get it really close to him, it could take him out for the next hour, which is the time you need to protect yourself. Burna is proudly American with products hand assembled in Fort Wayne, Indiana. Sometimes a firearm is not the right option for you and Burna provides a powerful alternative. Protect what matters most with Burna. Visit Burna.com that's B Y R N A.com Megan and that will get you a 10% discount. And learn for yourself why thousands of people, people and law enforcement agencies are making the switch to Burna's less lethal protection. Non lethal self defense. Always ready. I'm Megyn Kelly, host of the Megyn Kelly show on SiriusXM. It's your home for open, honest and provocative conversations with the most interesting and important political, legal and cultural figures. Today you can catch the Megyn Kelly show on Triumph, a series SiriusXM channel featuring lots of hosts you may know and probably love. Great people like Dr. Laura. I'm Beck, Nancy Grace, Dave Ramsey, and yours truly, Megyn Kelly. You can stream the Megyn Kelly show on SiriusXM at home or anywhere you are. No car required. I do it all the time. I love the SiriusXM app. It has ad free music coverage of every major sport, comedy talk, podcast, and more. Subscribe now. Get your first three months for free.
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Megyn Kelly
Stuntman, actor, celebrity bodyguard, Marshall, arts expert, and former Hell's Angel. That is just part of the colorful resume of my next guest, Chuck Zito. You may remember Chuck caused quite a stir back in May when he was spotted at Trump's business records trial in New York. He was part of the Trump entourage. The media had a field day reporting that a former leader of the Hell's Angels joined Trump in court. We've got a verdict. Breaking news. A verdict has been reached in Donald Trump's criminal hush money trial. Whether or not they were focusing on Trump's entourage, it's hard to tell. I will say, just as an observer in the courtroom, the entourage today is colorful. You know, if you look at the.
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Chuck Zito
Entourage today, you see Alan Dershowitz, you see Chuck Zito, the former president of the Hell's Angels. This is a show of force. This is deliberate, and quite frankly, this is genius.
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Megyn Kelly
Hell's Angels leader is a very large man wearing a very flamboyant suit.
- [76:38]
Senator Ron Johnson
Donald Trump had a new entourage supporting.
- [76:40]
Megyn Kelly
Him in court today.
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Senator Ron Johnson
One of the people who showed up, actor Chuck Zito.
- [76:44]
Andrew Klavan
He used to lead the New York.
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Senator Ron Johnson
Chapter, the Hell's Angels.
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Megyn Kelly
That is amazing. A large man in a flamboyant suit. That clip is from a forthcoming documentary called Chuck Zito An American Story. Chuck, welcome back. Great, welcome, great to have you.
- [76:59]
Chuck Zito
Thank you for having me.
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Megyn Kelly
How can people watch the documentary, first of all?
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Chuck Zito
Well, it's not finished yet. We, we just had the premiere at Mar a lot last week. We're going back to the change a few pieces in it.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay.
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Chuck Zito
Because so many people are interested in it, like, you know, Netflix and Amazon Prime. So many people. So I was, uh, told by, uh, one of the networks to just, uh, there was a couple of repeats in it. So we're going back to, uh, drawing board and tighten it up and, uh, we're gonna have a, uh, premiere in April in New York.
- [77:36]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
- [77:36]
Chuck Zito
So it'll be perfect then.
- [77:38]
Megyn Kelly
I love it. I. What do you make of that description of yourself, Flamboyant man in a suit, former Hell's Angel. I mean, yes, somewhat.
- [77:46]
Chuck Zito
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, you look good.
- [77:49]
Chuck Zito
Thank you. Thank you.
- [77:50]
Megyn Kelly
All right. So I learned something in preparing for this interview that I did not know before. I didn't know that. I mean, I knew hell zines. I always knew that they were kind of like bad boys, kind of cool, badass. But I didn't know that. There's some rumors that you, like, might have to kill somebody to become a part of the Hell's Angels.
- [78:06]
Chuck Zito
A myth. That's not wrong with everybody. Of course not.
- [78:09]
Megyn Kelly
So what's, like, what are. What are the Hells Angels?
- [78:13]
Chuck Zito
It's a motorcycle club. Guys who get together, ride motorcycles.
- [78:16]
Megyn Kelly
You have to be admitted?
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Chuck Zito
Well, you have to. There's a hangaround process, then a prospecting process before you become a member. So you have to know someone to hang out first and then prospect and goes down the line.
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Megyn Kelly
Is it all Harleys?
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Chuck Zito
Well, in the United States it is, but overseas, a lot of guys couldn't get Harleys. And then now a lot of guys, I. I've heard are using some guys, using Indians and some guys BMWs.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay.
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Chuck Zito
But back in the day when I was there, it was all Harleys.
- [78:51]
Megyn Kelly
So you grew up where, in the Bronx?
- [78:53]
Chuck Zito
I was born in the Bronx, then moved to Brooklyn.
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Megyn Kelly
Yep. My dad grew up in Brooklyn too. And so. But. And we both lost our dads at young ages. You were only 12?
- [79:03]
Chuck Zito
Well, no, no, I was actually. When I say I lost my dad, it was when they got divorced.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay. Okay.
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Chuck Zito
I was. Then my. My dad lived to 78 and he died in 1998. But when I say I lost my dad, it means that when they got divorced, I was always looking up to my dad and I followed. Tried to follow in his footsteps, being a boxer and everything. And that's when I say I should have made a little clearer on the thing, because people think I was 12 years old and I lost my dad.
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Megyn Kelly
Sweet.
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Chuck Zito
Even my sister says, what do you mean?
- [79:35]
Megyn Kelly
Well, it sounded like you really looked up to him and he was.
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Chuck Zito
Oh, absolutely.
- [79:37]
Megyn Kelly
He followed his footsteps into the boxing world.
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Chuck Zito
Great fighter back in the day, in the 30s and the 40s, you know, years ago, guys had, you know, hundreds of fights. My father had 228 fights. Fights back in the day in a 12 year career and won most of them. He won a lot of them? Absolutely. He lost 20, but he used to get paid $10 a fight. Now today, they're making 400 million. One fight.
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Megyn Kelly
That's like Jimmy Braddock, James Braddock.
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Chuck Zito
Yeah. Like, you know, there's great fighters like, you know, Floyd Mayweather, he's 50 0, but he's fighting like 28 years.
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Megyn Kelly
Right.
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Chuck Zito
There's a guy named Harry Greb. Back in the day, he. Floyd went 500 in 28 years. Harry Greb went 52. 0 in one year.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, my gosh.
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Chuck Zito
Well, so it's a big difference.
- [80:27]
Megyn Kelly
So you decided to follow the old man's footsteps and get into fighting?
- [80:31]
Chuck Zito
Yes, of course. Growing up with. With my dad and his, you know, I had. I was living in the Bronx on Barretto street and Hunts Point at the time, and it's even in my documentary. I was five years old and this guy Bush, Butch, like from the Little Rascals, used to beat me up every day. So I went crying home to my dad one time. He said, don't ever come crying home to me. He said, I want to teach you how to defend yourself. So he pulled out his trunk and he had all his gloves and his robe and his headgear and everything in there. And he put the gloves on me. The gloves went up to my elbows, and he got on his knees and started teaching me how to box.
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Megyn Kelly
You learned from the best. Yeah, so I noticed, too, because there's a lot. There's a big, big group today that's very into mixed martial arts and jiu jitsu in particular. Yes, people are loving. I know Joe Rogan loves it. I know Jocko Willink, he came on the show and said he believes we should all have our kids learning Jiu jitsu.
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Chuck Zito
Absolutely.
- [81:27]
Megyn Kelly
Not just for the physical, you know, nature of it and its self defense, but the discipline, the mental discipline that.
- [81:33]
Chuck Zito
Comes with it and the respect.
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Megyn Kelly
And you, how many black belts do you have?
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Chuck Zito
I've. I've trained eight different styles in martial arts. I first, after seeing Bruce Lee and the Green Hornet, I said, I want to be like Bruce. So I went down to Aaron Banks Karate Studio in New York City and started taking White Crane and Tiger Claw kung fu with Mr. Chin from there.
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Megyn Kelly
You're very impressionable. You saw the dad do the boxing. She did the boxing. And you saw the Bruce Lee. I'm glad you didn't watch Tootsie too many times.
- [82:01]
Chuck Zito
Every time I saw someone like Steve Reeves, I think the greatest body, he. I saw him in Hercules. Hercules Unchained. I said, I want to be. Look like Steve.
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Megyn Kelly
And you love Superman too, right?
- [82:15]
Chuck Zito
Superman, Mighty Mouse. I used to.
- [82:18]
Megyn Kelly
I watched that Superman show every day after school. It was in black and White. They'd run the reruns.
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Chuck Zito
Yes. And with the original, you know, now.
- [82:24]
Megyn Kelly
It would look so dated to us. Right. But, yeah, it was great at the time. All right, so you start doing the jiu jitsu or you start taking martial arts?
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Chuck Zito
I was boxing for a long time. Time after seeing Bruce Lee, of course. Like I said, I started taking martial arts. And I've trained eight different styles of martial arts. I went from White Crane and Ty Claw, Kung Fu to Chiquita Jiu Jitsu, Kit Ru Jiu Jitsu, Bes Jitsu.
- [82:47]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, wow. I never heard of that.
- [82:48]
Chuck Zito
Train with Enzo Gracie and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
- [82:52]
Megyn Kelly
So do you have a favorite of those? Like, if I'm gonna have my kids take Jiu Jitsu, which one? What?
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Chuck Zito
Well, you know, I. I also did Japanese Jiu jitsu, which is a form of everything, you know, ground grappling, boxing, everything but Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. Let's face it. They. The ones who brought it to the Octagon, you know, the Gracies, you know, they first brought it here before, you know, Fatigas bought the ufc and Dan White became president.
- [83:18]
Megyn Kelly
Yep.
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Chuck Zito
So it was guys like John Milius, the director, he designed the Octagon, and a guy named Mark Davy who had the tough band contest back in the day. So it was those three, the Gracies and Art Davey and John Milius started the ufc.
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Megyn Kelly
So if you've got all these black belts and all this discipline in the martial arts, how long would it take you to knock me out if you wanted to?
- [83:42]
Chuck Zito
You. I've never hit a girl in my life.
- [83:44]
Megyn Kelly
If you had to, let's say, like, 30 seconds, 60 seconds, boom. He's flicking his finger. Fingers.
- [83:51]
Chuck Zito
So actually, that's what. Well, his show, I did. So he asked me, how long would it take you to knock me out? I said it'd be over by now.
- [84:03]
Megyn Kelly
So it already would have happened.
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Chuck Zito
Yeah. Yeah.
- [84:06]
Megyn Kelly
Well, you're not afraid of. Not a girl, but you're not afraid of punching a celebrity. Because I've heard there was an incident with Jean Claude Von Da.
- [84:13]
Chuck Zito
I've had a few.
- [84:14]
Megyn Kelly
What happened with him?
- [84:15]
Chuck Zito
That's why I don't work that much.
- [84:17]
Megyn Kelly
What happened?
- [84:19]
Chuck Zito
I was just, you know, it was.
- [84:21]
Megyn Kelly
We.
- [84:21]
Chuck Zito
We got along real well, and we were. I was his bodyguard in 1992, and we went our separate ways, and I didn't see him till six years later, and he came in with Mickey Rourke and, like, five guys and. And scores. I was having dinner.
- [84:35]
Megyn Kelly
I'm familiar with scores.
- [84:36]
Chuck Zito
Scores.
- [84:36]
Megyn Kelly
That's where all the beautiful women went to.
- [84:38]
Chuck Zito
That was back in the day. So we had a little argument and, you know, I felt bad because I. I got so much publicity from somebody else's misfortune.
- [84:51]
Megyn Kelly
So how did he upset you?
- [84:53]
Chuck Zito
You just said something to one of. One of your tenants in the men's room when he was in there. Said disrespectful. So I went up to him and. But it happened, you know what? It happened.
- [85:05]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Andrew Klavan
Yes.
- [85:06]
Megyn Kelly
A long time ago.
- [85:07]
Chuck Zito
29 years ago. Almost 30 years ago. But I like to talk about it.
- [85:10]
Megyn Kelly
An Italian thing, like you got offended. He offended you.
- [85:13]
Chuck Zito
Of course. Of course. I mean, you know, you got to, you know, back up your word, so. And that's what happened.
- [85:20]
Megyn Kelly
So you went over and gave it to him.
- [85:23]
Chuck Zito
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And he did not.
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Chuck Zito
But it took 17 years for us to talk again. So we're friends now. And you. So long ago.
- [85:31]
Megyn Kelly
Right. He goes down now you're. It's like you don't want to insult him. I understand. Sweet.
- [85:36]
Chuck Zito
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
But most of us, the thought of punching John Claude Von D? Dom is horrifying. We'd get punched back and it would not go well for us. You have a lot of experience. He insults you, you take him down. And then there's actually a really fun epilogue to the story 17 years later.
- [85:51]
Chuck Zito
17 years later, yes.
- [85:53]
Megyn Kelly
What happened?
- [85:54]
Chuck Zito
I was actually at a Floyd Mayweather when he fought Pacquiao at the Pacquiao Mayweather fight. And Floyd got out of the ring, went to his family first. I was the second one he came up to. He hugged me and they had the camera on me. So Jean Claude was home with his. With his daughter and Bianca and he goes, that Chuck Zito, she goes, yeah. He goes, invite him to my. My document. I'm not documentary. Invite him to my movie. He just came out with a new movie. So I went and we saw each other and he says, thanks for coming. I said, thanks for inviting me. And we hugged and kissed each other and it was over after 17 years.
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Megyn Kelly
Good for him.
- [86:33]
Chuck Zito
Him, you know, so we're friends.
- [86:35]
Megyn Kelly
That's great.
- [86:36]
Chuck Zito
I hate to bring it up because it was so long ago.
- [86:38]
Megyn Kelly
No, you didn't. I brought it up. It's not your fault. So you. But the reason he knew you prior to that whole incident you pointed out was you were his bodyguard. So you took your background and learning self defense and so on and parlayed that into, like being a celebrity bodyguard. You bodyguarded some of the best everybody.
- [86:55]
Chuck Zito
You could think of back in the day. Liza Minnelli was my first client.
- [86:58]
Megyn Kelly
She's amazing.
- [86:59]
Chuck Zito
So, of course, being around Liza, when I met President Trump, we were at the same restaurant, same clubs, and of course, we became friends, and we've been friends over 40 years now.
- [87:11]
Megyn Kelly
She's in one of my and my husband's very favorite movies, Arthur.
- [87:15]
Chuck Zito
Oh, great.
- [87:16]
Megyn Kelly
Hysterical in that movie.
- [87:19]
Andrew Klavan
Yeah.
- [87:19]
Megyn Kelly
She used to be a huge, huge star. So that's interesting. You got, like, one foot into the celebrity world with her, and that opened up lots of doors.
- [87:27]
Chuck Zito
Yes, a lot of doors. A lot of doors. And she was doing a play called the Rink with Chita Rivera at the Martin Beck Theater years ago. So everybody came to see Liza. I mean, you know, Elizabeth Taylor, Liberace, Don Rickles, you know Robert De Niro, everybody. You know Al Pacino. Everybody came to see her. So they had to go through me to get to her.
- [87:50]
Megyn Kelly
Wow.
- [87:50]
Chuck Zito
So, of course, I met everybody, and we all became friends all these years.
- [87:54]
Megyn Kelly
Who stands out as, like, a particularly great person?
- [87:57]
Senator Ron Johnson
You know what?
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Chuck Zito
Everybody had their own character because everybody says who was the best one you worked for. Everybody had their own character, their own the, you know, their own way.
- [88:06]
Megyn Kelly
And so was there anybody like the guests who came to visit her who you didn't like?
- [88:11]
Chuck Zito
Well, I know. Well, they were all, you know, superstars.
- [88:14]
Megyn Kelly
At the time, but, you know, superstar. You can see the ones who are super nice, even to the Bodyguard and the ones who aren't.
- [88:20]
Chuck Zito
Well, everybody was nice to me. I have to admit it.
- [88:22]
Megyn Kelly
That's good.
- [88:23]
Chuck Zito
So if they weren't, then we took it to the next level. But I remember I used to wear rings when I was in a club on every finger. And I was. Liberace came in and we were comparing rings.
- [88:35]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, wow.
- [88:35]
Chuck Zito
Yeah, yeah.
- [88:36]
Megyn Kelly
What is this ring?
- [88:37]
Chuck Zito
This is actually Elvis Presley's. Exact copy of Elvis Presley. Tcb.
- [88:41]
Megyn Kelly
You guys see it here? See if you can see it. Tcb. What does that stand for?
- [88:46]
Chuck Zito
Taking care of business and flesh.
- [88:48]
Megyn Kelly
Ah. It's beautiful. It's very gold. It's got. It's very large, and it's got diamond. Diamond front.
- [88:53]
Chuck Zito
And I got to show it to you.
- [88:55]
Megyn Kelly
Okay, thank you. You. Oh, my gosh, must weigh five pounds. It's. I just. Just show it up so the camera can see it. So this is Elvis Presley's.
- [89:05]
Chuck Zito
It was exact. His is in the Graceland, of course, but that's exactly the same. I had it made in gold and everything. Like, wow. His. The original one.
- [89:14]
Megyn Kelly
That alone is self defense. Yeah, that right there.
- [89:16]
Chuck Zito
But I would never.
- [89:17]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, but if you needed To. Oh, yeah, there's another one. What's that?
- [89:20]
Chuck Zito
Boxing glove. That was my. My father's ring.
- [89:22]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, wow. So there's a scene in the movie where Sy. Sylvester Stallone, who I know you also bodyguarded, must feel like a very big responsibility. I mean.
- [89:31]
Chuck Zito
Yes.
- [89:32]
Megyn Kelly
If he can't take care of it himself, it's a serious threat.
- [89:35]
Chuck Zito
So he's got I I body God for Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, Mike Tyson.
- [89:40]
Megyn Kelly
Wow.
- [89:40]
Chuck Zito
They could take care of themselves, but they're not in a position to get involved. There's somebody. Of course.
- [89:45]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
- [89:45]
Chuck Zito
Look what happened to Mike on a plane and everybody else.
- [89:48]
Megyn Kelly
So that just. Well, and we saw Conor McGregor at the inauguration. He had a bunch of bodyguards too, for the same reason. Like, it's not that they. They can't protect themselves.
- [89:55]
Chuck Zito
Look at Floyd. He walks around with 10 guys. I mean. Yeah, you don't want to get sued.
- [90:00]
Megyn Kelly
Here's a bit from Sly and Brother Frank in your documentary stop 45.
- [90:06]
Chuck Zito
I guess I was at pretty much the height of my popularity. So they overdid it, you know, security thing at the time. Time whoever was in charge of security so. Well, we need more people. And then Chuck and a few of his friends volunteered, and being a very outgoing guy, he struck up a conversation. I noticed, you know, we kind of.
- [90:26]
Senator Ron Johnson
Looked like very similar.
- [90:28]
Chuck Zito
Like brothers, in a sense.
- [90:29]
Senator Ron Johnson
Of course, he looked just like. He looked more like him than I did.
- [90:33]
Chuck Zito
I was being hunted. And since we looked alike, I was hoping they'd shoot a Chuck that. That was actually the motivation. I gave him a T shirt with a. It done very little. All right, nice. Now I know what he hired me.
- [90:45]
Megyn Kelly
Is he not a great guy?
- [90:47]
Chuck Zito
Yes, yes.
- [90:47]
Megyn Kelly
He's a true gentleman.
- [90:49]
Chuck Zito
Look, you know, he. He's brilliant. Look at the. He, you know, wrote Rocky back in the day, and nobody could do it but him. And he was. He was brilliant. He came, you know, the franchise, Rocky, Rambo, Expendables. He's just a great guy and very talented and great writer.
- [91:09]
Megyn Kelly
Absolutely. He's. As he was speaking there, we heard soundtrack pop in from Joan Jett.
- [91:14]
Chuck Zito
Joan Jett.
- [91:14]
Megyn Kelly
And there's a reason we have Joan Jett. She's also in the documentary talking about her relationship with you. Here's a bit from Joan. This is great. And have been. The next time we saw him was. Was in. In Japan that whole tour that we did. We went to tour in Japan in 1985. Had them in our crew. And the way I looked at it is they were doing security and had to do it for us at Some points. Okay. So just the fact that, you know, Joan Jett is so cool. Like, she's just cool.
- [91:46]
Chuck Zito
She's. She's, you know, she's the queen of rock and roll.
- [91:50]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
- [91:51]
Chuck Zito
She started at 15 on runways and then broke off and did Joan Jett and the Blackhearts.
- [91:57]
Megyn Kelly
And all of her music is still. Turn up the dial.
- [91:59]
Chuck Zito
Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. And she does all the music for my. My documentary.
- [92:04]
Megyn Kelly
These people must really like you to have appeared in the film. You know, because it's one thing, like, I've had lots of bodyguards here or there at various events. I'm not sure, like, they'd ever call me to be in one of their movies. So how do you maintain, like, what happens there?
- [92:18]
Chuck Zito
Well, you know, every. Like I said, everybody I worked for, we had a great relationship, and we became friends. Like. Like I said, Liza. When my first. My first client, Sly Sloan, became my friend, we became good friends. And I just asked these people if they would come on, do my documentary. And not. Not. Not one hesitation.
- [92:41]
Megyn Kelly
Wow.
- [92:42]
Chuck Zito
Everybody came and. And did it. And because you.
- [92:46]
Megyn Kelly
In between the boxing and the martial arts and the bodyguarding, there was a stint. She mentioned Japan, where.
- [92:52]
Chuck Zito
Yes.
- [92:52]
Megyn Kelly
You went. There was some brief time in the slammer. It was brief.
- [92:56]
Chuck Zito
I spent four months in a Japanese prison.
- [92:58]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
- [92:59]
Chuck Zito
Wasn't. Wasn't good. But I was locked down 23 hours a day, so. And they put you out in Japan.
- [93:06]
Megyn Kelly
And then you had to come back here and go to jail.
- [93:08]
Chuck Zito
Then I came back here. But the worst prison in the United States is like a country club compared to Japan.
- [93:14]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, really?
- [93:15]
Chuck Zito
Yeah. That was, like, my first time in jail. I said, well, I hope they're not. All the prisons are like this.
- [93:20]
Megyn Kelly
They were accusing you of a drug crime.
- [93:22]
Chuck Zito
Yes.
- [93:23]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
- [93:23]
Chuck Zito
I was indicted for making a telephone call to a guy who sold a pound of methamphetamine. I never made the phone call. I was in British Columbia making a movie called Year the Dragon. I showed them my. My. My. My receipts, my. My phone bills, everything. But they wanted me because at the time, I was the president of the club, and my club, you know, Los Angeles nomads. And the government wants you to go and get you.
- [93:46]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that's absolutely right.
- [93:48]
Chuck Zito
Of course, they want you to, well know, talk on your friends and all. Of course, you know, I wouldn't. And I wound up getting a phone. Count is four years. The judge gave me 10.
- [93:58]
Megyn Kelly
Wow. So you went to, like, 18 different prisons, though, in that 19. Why so many?
- [94:06]
Chuck Zito
Well, I had a few problems with some people, and every Time you have a fight, they transfer you because they didn't want retaliation, shock. So I had probably 10 good fights. And prison.
- [94:16]
Senator Ron Johnson
Wow.
- [94:17]
Chuck Zito
Yeah.
- [94:17]
Megyn Kelly
One of the few people wasn't afraid going in.
- [94:19]
Chuck Zito
Yeah.
- [94:20]
Megyn Kelly
But this becomes kind of relevant to your friendship with Trump. I mean, when he got indicted on, you know, criminal charges for his alleged bookkeeping errors.
- [94:31]
Chuck Zito
Yeah.
- [94:31]
Megyn Kelly
You. That must have struck home in a particular way.
- [94:34]
Chuck Zito
I said I went to his trials, and we've been friends for a long time, and what they've done to him, you could not never. I would never imagine it in a, you know, 100 years that they could do that to a former president and one who's, you know, running now.
- [94:51]
Megyn Kelly
How'd you guys meet?
- [94:53]
Chuck Zito
We met at. Basically, we met at a restaurant at first, and then I was with Liza, and they. They've been friends for a long time. And, of course, Studio 54. We saw each other. So everybody used to go there back in the day. Everybody.
- [95:06]
Megyn Kelly
Yep.
- [95:07]
Chuck Zito
You know, somebody was always there there, so. And I used to work also Cafe Central uptown, and every. No matter what night it was, you'd see 10. 10 actors there. You know, Eliza Minnelli and. And. And. And Bruce Willis was the bartender.
- [95:23]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, no way.
- [95:24]
Chuck Zito
Yeah. He used to make me a creams.
- [95:26]
Megyn Kelly
You're kidding me.
- [95:27]
Chuck Zito
Before he was a big star, so.
- [95:28]
Megyn Kelly
Sure.
- [95:29]
Chuck Zito
And everybody was there. Liza Minnelli, Cher, Peter Reh, Treat Williams, John Goodman.
- [95:36]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
- [95:36]
Chuck Zito
De Niro, Pacino, Joe Pesci. Everybody used to go to Cafe Central.
- [95:41]
Megyn Kelly
And Trump.
- [95:42]
Chuck Zito
And Trump.
- [95:44]
Megyn Kelly
So you maintained a friendship all this time? He's in the documentary. We have a little bit of him. Do we? Yes, we. I think we do. I saw him. Oh, we don't have the clip, but I saw him, and he goes on and on about you and how much he likes you.
- [95:56]
Chuck Zito
So great. I mean, I am so blessed and honored that he did it for me. You got to realize, he's the President of the United States. He's the most powerful man in the world. And he opened and closed my documentary. He's loyal, so I am so, you know, honored and humbled that he did that. And he's loyal.
- [96:12]
Megyn Kelly
So why did you feel it was important to go to the trial?
- [96:16]
Chuck Zito
Because he was getting railroaded, and I. I want to stick up for him. I stick up for my friends, and I want to show my support and, you know, support him. I mean, they charge him with all these, you know, phony charges and everything, and we know that, so. And we know. I don't care what they say. When he was at that, that was fixed, you know, when he, when he absolutely do not believe that we all went to sleep. President Trump was winning. We woke up and Biden was a president who never campaigned. So it was all fixed. I say that and I still say it.
- [96:58]
Megyn Kelly
And what did you think on November 5th when you saw the returns coming in?
- [97:02]
Chuck Zito
Oh, I was there. I was at the Mar A Lago. No, I was at, in Washington for when he won, of course. I was just, I mean, we're all just. He's, as far as I'm concerned, he's the greatest president we ever had in the United States. He, he, he, you know, promises and keeps it and he's just great.
- [97:28]
Megyn Kelly
I mean, you spent a whole life between the Hells Angels, not to mention the prison time time, the boxing, the mixed martial arts, the bodyguarding.
- [97:36]
Chuck Zito
Yes.
- [97:37]
Megyn Kelly
How does, I mean, Trump's also extremely tough.
- [97:40]
Chuck Zito
Yes.
- [97:41]
Megyn Kelly
So you know about tough guys.
- [97:43]
Chuck Zito
I call him a savage because he is who. Any other president or anybody else who gets shot, they'd be under that counter there and that he got up, he's, Wait, wait. When he put up fight, fight, fight, he's just, just, I mean, there's nobody like him. He's just so, so nothing phases him. I mean, and they tried. And you know what to get when I'm crazy, it gets me that people say it was staged.
- [98:12]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, it's infuriating.
- [98:13]
Chuck Zito
You know what? Corey Compatori lost his life shielding his family.
- [98:17]
Megyn Kelly
That's right.
- [98:18]
Chuck Zito
The other two, two guys were shot also. And they think he's going to say, do me a favor, just nick my ear now. It's ridiculous. And that's how some people think. And that's what gets me furiated.
- [98:28]
Megyn Kelly
It's such an insult.
- [98:29]
Chuck Zito
It's, it is an insult. And there's people still, a lot of them. He's doing the first hour he was elected. I mean, he started signing the orders and, and he's going to change his country around back to way it was.
- [98:43]
Megyn Kelly
Have you seen like a big change from the Donald Trump you knew back in the day at, you know, the, the cocktail lounges and the one who you see now.
- [98:52]
Chuck Zito
Well, you know what? He's, he's the same guy to me, but he's just so strong. Like I said, he's resilient. He's nobody like him. And I love the guy. I mean, I do anything for him. But we've never had a president like him. And you got to realize years ago, I never got involved with who was a president who cared. It Wasn't to President Trump. It was the first time I ever voted and really first time I never cared before. And till the day he became president, I mean, all those other people, all those woke people, all those phony people out there, they don't like him. But like I said, I never cared about who was president before. But they talked since the day he became president, they have not stopped talking about him. All these, every day. You heard President Trump. President Trump and everything else. But as far as I'm concerned, he's the greatest president we ever had. Well, he obviously and he's for the American people in America and he's for.
- [99:52]
Megyn Kelly
You because I mean, he's very busy man to take the time out to appear in this film, all these people. I think that's something extraordinary about you, Chuck. And I really enjoyed the story. You're, you are a colorful, colorful character. I can see why so many have gravitated towards you. All right, so keep us abreast on when it's actually going to hit and where and we will update the audience.
- [100:09]
Chuck Zito
Absolutely.
- [100:10]
Megyn Kelly
Enjoy what I enjoyed. So nice to have you here.
- [100:13]
Chuck Zito
Thank you.
- [100:13]
Megyn Kelly
Nice to meet you. Thank you.
- [100:15]
Chuck Zito
You remind me of me because you say exactly what's on your mind, no matter who likes it. I'm the same way. I'm honored in a fan, big fan of yours for years.
- [100:23]
Megyn Kelly
Thank you very much. I, I really appreciate it.
- [100:25]
Chuck Zito
Thank you again.
- [100:27]
Megyn Kelly
We'll do it all over again when the actual film hits. Wow. Right? Chuck Zito, everybody. We're gonna be back tomorrow, but I do want to tell you before we go, you gotta go to MeganKelly.com all right? And there you can sign up for our once once a week email. That's all it is. And on our once a week email, we will update you on all the highlights of the week. We call it the American News Minute because you can read right at the top of this email all the news in, that's happened in the, you know, basically past week in 60 seconds or less. But we also will include a bunch of behind the scenes photos, behind the scenes stories, and people are flocking to it in droves. It's a great way. And then while you're there, if you are so inclined, you can sign up to have basically just to give us your email so that we can have a direct relationship just in case, just in case we ever have to go to a subscription model, which we're not planning on doing now. We're, we want the show to stay free, but, you know, we don't like really to rely on outside providers. So Anyway, go to MeganKelly.com and sign up there. You'll get one email from me with just show highlights. And we don't sell your email to anybody. I find it very annoying when I do that, when you have to sign up and then Suddenly you get 20,000 emails from people soliciting you and you're like, I know they sold my email. We're not doing that. So Megan Kelly.com thank you all for listening. We will be back tomorrow and we'll see you then. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear.