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Tucker Carlson on Epstein, Iran, and the Gender Divide, Plus Woke Journalists Badger Team USA, with Evita Duffy-Alfonso and Amala Ekpunobi | Ep. 1261
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Tucker Carlson
Hey, what's going on over there? It's me, Trevor Noah. You know me. You don't know me.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, you do.
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Tucker Carlson
I was worried there for a second. Well, if you know anything about me, you'll know. I love having interesting conversations, conversations where we scratch beneath the surface, like what's really going on in the news? Or what is that celebrity really thinking about that scandal that they had? Or what's the worst way to be a parent? I mean, you want to find that out so you can be the best parent, right? Well, regardless of what it is, this podcast is all about figuring that out, talking to interesting people who have interesting ideas that give us an interesting perspective on the world that we're living in. So check out what now with Trevor Noah. Available wherever you get your podcasts, this
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Megyn Kelly
Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show, live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly Show. We've got a huge program for you today. Evita and Amala will be here a little later with the latest on cultural news, including a major update on that shocking footage of New York City police officers being pelted with snowballs. Mayor Mondomini could not be any worse. He could not be handling this more poorly. His hatred for cops shines through every day. But first, someone who was spotted at the White House earlier this week. Our pal Tucker Carlson is here. The left and media meltdown continues over President Trump's mild locker room joke to the men's U.S. olympic hockey team. We'll talk with Tucker about that as the women's and the men's players are getting asked about it nonstop. It is ridiculous. What is wrong with sports journalists? Truly, I had no idea. I'm going to have to start reading the sports pages now just so I can keep tabs on how absurd these people are. And it's all men, by the way. Very weird. I mean, there's something very strange about a woke man. And a journalist, too. I mean, it's just like, what happened? What happened to your balls. Really? We need, we need to talk about it. As we speak, the US And Iran are having discussions about the country's nuclear program ostensibly. And President Trump posted on Truth Social that he wants to make a deal with Iran, but is not afraid to take military action if he deems it necessary. All these are headlines in the news this morning. Tucker, of course, has been one of the leading voices adamantly arguing against a war with Iran. Who the hell wants that? He's the host of the Tucker Carlson show and he joins us now. International disputes, inflation, rising national debt, digital currency. There's a never ending list of reasons gold has risen over 700% in the last 20 years. And a never ending list of reasons smart Americans diversify a portion of their savings into precious metals with Birch Gold Group. Gold can thrive during uncertainty, which is why it's a crucial part of a balanced economy financial strategy. It gives you peace of mind given all the events that could impact the US Economy. See if holding gold in a tax sheltered retirement account is right for you. Birch Gold can help you convert an existing IRA or 401k into an IRA in gold. Just text MK to the number 989898 to receive your free info kit on gold. There's no obligation, just useful information with an A rating from the Better Business Bureau and tens of thousands of happy customers. Consider letting Birch Gold help you diversify with gold so you too can have peace of mind regardless of the uncertainty. Text MK to the number 989898. Tucker, great to see you. How are you?
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Tucker Carlson
Oh, I couldn't be better. Thank you, Megan.
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Megyn Kelly
Awesome. So, yeah, we'll get to Iran in one second. Sadly, we seem to be marching in a different direction right now, but it's precarious. I want to start with Hillary because she's getting deposed right now in Chappaqua, New York, where she lives on an amazing estate, we think with Bill. And both of them are getting deposed in connection with their Epstein friendships. And Ghislaine Maxwell for her, he, Bill was definitely friends with Jeffrey Epstein and spent a lot of time with him right after his presidency. And Hillary had Ghislaine at Chelsea's wedding. She had, she honored her at one of the Clinton Global foundation, you know, event events. Now she comes out today. She's going today and Bill's going tomorrow. And her opening statement, we just got our hands on it basically says, I know nothing. I never knew Epstein. I basically didn't know Ghislaine. I don't know anything about their crimes. This is a witch hunt. Poor me. I don't know what I'm doing here. So how do you like the fact that the two top Clintons are going under oath this week on Epstein?
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Tucker Carlson
It's so great. I actually saw Hillary Clinton the other day, maybe two weeks ago at an event. I just almost walked directly into her. I was amazed by how small she seemed and just how diminished. And it's just a reminder that all of us are, you know, aging, and someone who seems, like, ferocious and terrifying at one portion of his or her life becomes kind of pathetic and an object of pity at another point in her life. So, like, Hillary's time has passed. She's gonna have to live with her crimes, you know, killing people, bragging about killing people, her friendship with Epstein, all of this. So I just wanna say I don't wish her personally any ill will, really. I feel sad for her. It must be terrifying to. But I do think it's important for the Trump administration to not run away from the Epstein files. They're already out 3 million of them. There's, like, no getting away from it, but to embrace it and to bring, to the extent we can, years later, justice. And that begins by asking relevant figures, questions under oath, like, what was this? And I do think we need to bring in Epstein's urologist right away and ask him about his pizza and grape soda recommendation to his patient, et cetera, et cetera. There are a lot of people who need to be discouraged over and over. But don't be afraid of. And I think there is this. I think the President was convinced that this was a trap set for him. I mean, he said it out loud many times. This is like Russiagate. They're trying to, you know, implicate me. And I just personally don't think that's a true concern. I get his fears, but the only way that this gets better is through justice. And so I'm just grateful to see this, and I hope there are many more like this.
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Megyn Kelly
So I think the real fireworks are gonna come tomorrow. There's no question that Hillary knew Ghislaine, but there's zero question that Bill and Jeffrey palled around quite a bit, and he's gonna have to answer for his pictures in Epstein's hot tub with a bunch of women whose faces have been censored. We don't know how old they were or how many there were or what they were doing with Bill Clinton in a hot tub at Jeffrey Epstein's estate someplace. He's trying to diminish the amount of Time they spent together, for obvious reasons. But there's no question that Bill was not shamed at all after the Monica Lewinsky scandal out of his hound dog behavior, to put it mildly. And I'm gonna show you something, Tucker, that I have permission to show, and this is my own piece of evidence that he wasn't shamed at all. Where a friend of mine and her friend at the time. This is 1999. Were in a bar, and Bill Clinton was there. And would you look at the. Can you see this picture?
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Tucker Carlson
Yes.
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Megyn Kelly
He is looking down the chest of my friend Meg Florence. And that's my other friend in the foreground, Abby Rittman. He's basically got his hand on her side boob. And here's the crazy. You probably know this place they were from. Actually just asked them, where was this? The Bombay Club in D.C. yep. 1999. He was there with his wife and daughter and went over to their table. They were there with a bunch of guys, too. Introduced himself. Before you know it, he wanted pictures.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And look at it. He's like in the middle of the restaurant looking down my one friend's blouse with his other friend creepily high on the side of Abby Rittman. This is. They were like 20. They were just graduating college. He was still president. It was 1999. I'm not saying this is a crime. I'm just saying not chastised at all as a result of Lewinsky.
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Tucker Carlson
No, not chastised, but instead controlled. And so obviously Clinton's creepy. I know people who've slept with Clinton. Like, everyone knows people have slept with Clinton. That's who he is. That is his fundamental weakness. And it's the means by which he is controlled by others. And that's kind of the story. I mean, we know that his phone sex with Monica Lewinsky on Air Force One was taped by a foreign government and he used as blackmail against him during bilateral negotiations, you know. And so to what extent was Epstein. Well, it is. It's a problem for the United States. You know, he's got problems that he'll have to answer for someday. It's already wrecked his marriage and his life. Right. He has paid. I mean, imagine being Bill Clinton again, not a happy thing. So he's paying a price. But what about the rest of us who watched our foreign policy hijacked by others using his sexual compulsion as the means of control? Like, that's the question. Those are. Those are the questions that I'm fascinated by. Like, how did Epstein short the global financial crisis? How did he know Gaddafi was about to be killed? What's his secret 911 Commission that he was recruiting people to join? Like, what is that? What is all of this? And to what extent do American voters actually control their own country? I mean, those are like pressing modern day issues that I would like. I mean, we know that most men are creepy. Some men are super creepy. Bill Clinton, for example. But it's their creepiness being used against them for what end? That's kind of the question. I'm mesmerized, maybe because I'm a man and I just look at Bill Clinton and I'm like, yeah, I knew he was like that. I know other people like that. Like, we all do. But what when you have leaders like Bill Gates today?
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, you look at Bill Gates today, right? Like admitting in this town hall before his staff that, well, I, you know, yes, Jeffrey Epstein and I went many, many places together. It was only ever dinner, but I did see him here and there and there. It was like five countries that they spent time together in. And then he admitted to having an affair. Two affairs with two Russian hookers. My word. Not his women, he said, while he was married to Melinda. So he's copying to two affairs. I'm sure it's much like, you know, the alcoholic who gets asked by the doctor, how many drinks do you have per night? Yeah, cop to two. Okay. But we saw in the Epstein files that draft email Epstein sent to himself, and it seemed to read like a blackmail note that he was writing on behalf of a Bill Gates staffer. Basically saying, do you want me to tell Melinda that you gave her an STD and you asked me to get antibiotics, that you could slip into her food or her drink without her knowing. Now, Gates is denying that, but it does give you a feel, if it's true, for possibly how Epstein operated and how this blackmail material could work, if in his hands, of course.
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Tucker Carlson
Because what do we know about every man? You know that sex is a huge driver of male behavior. It's the great temptation for most men. And almost every married man fears, above all, disappointing and angering his wife. So, I mean, just, we know this about people. And so if you want to take, like, the world's richest and most powerful men and control them, this is the fastest way to do it. I mean, the sex drive short circuits the male brain. And, you know, if you have dinner with just men, they'll joke about it. And every woman, every woman knows this also. Everyone knows this. And so, of course, that's what this is. It lowers your Defenses. It creates camaraderie between, you know, people who know the secret, and it weakens you. And so by definition, we're looking at a blackmail operation. The question is, to what end and on whose behalf? And I don't think it's really clear. I mean, the picture that I see emerging is not of like one country, Israel, or the UK or France or some other country trying to control us. They were all involved. But I see people who do not represent countries, but represent themselves in loose alliance with each other. I see the most powerful people in the world making the biggest decisions on behalf of the United States without the input of American voters or even really the consent of American politicians. And that's, man, that's. That's the most interesting thing to me. It's like, who runs the world, actually? And you don't get the answer from the Epstein files so far, but you get tantalizing hints. And again, it's not voters, it's not even presidents. You think Bill Clinton is in control at this point? Of course not. Right. I mean, that's the amazing thing to me, right?
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Megyn Kelly
Rounding back, who did Hillary Clinton kill?
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Tucker Carlson
Well, she killed Gaddafi. I mean, you know, let's just start there. But yeah, Muammar Gaddafi. And as noted, Jeffrey Epstein knew that was coming and was discussing in this famous, now famous email exchange, like, how do we profit from the collapse of Libya? And, you know, the collapse of Libya, which all the rest of us, including me, sort of ignored. And Barack Obama was out there. We just want to return Libya to its people. They yearn to be free. This was after Gaddafi was cooperating with the US government, by the way. He was intel asset for the US government and he was doing what we told him to do. And Hillary Clinton acting on behalf of obviously others, but helped kill him. Like, what was that?
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Megyn Kelly
And why, when you say others, do you mean Israel?
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Tucker Carlson
I don't necessarily mean Israel. No, I don't know that. But she was, well, others, literally others, because she was Secretary of State serving the President Barack Obama, but whose interests were served by taking this country run by a kind of crazy person. Gaddafi. I'm not defending Gaddafi. Right. But it was still a coherent country with borders and a military and some systems that kind of were recognizable to a wasteland, a chaotic wasteland with open slavery. Like, why would you want that? Who benefited from that? That's a big deal. And I think because we're so far away, we don't see that. But taking a country, this is relevant now, on the eve of regime change in Iran, what does it mean to just like eliminate a government and leave chaos behind? Well, it means millions of people will suffer and die, but it also means that some benefit from that. And that strikes me as the most wicked thing you could do. Literally the most wicked thing you could do. If you are seeking to profit from either in terms of money or power, the death and suffering of millions of people, you are by definition evil. More evil than the average person can even understand. And yet we know from the Epstein files, we know from watching America right now that there are people who think that way and they're the threat. And it's not like we focus our attention on people. Oh, you're bad. You know, Bill Clinton's looking at her boobs. I agree, bad, Totally bad, recognizably bad. But people who want to profit from the murder and suffering of millions of their fellow human beings, like that's the highest, I think we can say that's the highest level of bad, I think.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, that's, I mean that's one of the things I wanted to ask you about the Epstein files is like, okay, because it's, it feels a little. Me too. Ish. A little salemy. Right? Like, and he's guilty and he, like his name is. And therefore he must be a.
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Tucker Carlson
Totally agree.
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Megyn Kelly
Right. So that guy's got to be a pedophile too. And like, like, I don't know, it feels, it's a little uncomfortable just to have anybody who is a, an acquaintance of Jeffrey Epstein, like made into Jeffrey Epstein.
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Tucker Carlson
Dude, I am with you 100%.
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Megyn Kelly
Right, but so, but when you zoom out like 30,000ft, is that where the story is for you? Not. It's not really exactly about the men who were dogs. It's about how he used them and he used his Russian mail order brides to compromise them in order to what, get information? In order to build his fortune, in order to help governments with whom he was friendly. Like, how do you see it, the overall sort of headline about this story?
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Tucker Carlson
Well, let me just say it to your first really wise and humane point. I totally agree with that. And I just want to say, Be totally blunt and say. I was invited to dinner at Epstein's house years ago, not that long before he got, I mean, I knew someone who knew someone. He said, you should come to dinner at Epstein's house. Ehud Barak is there. Cuz he was living there, the former Prime Minister of Israel. And I was like, oh, that sounds interesting.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
And I probably, probably would. You know, honestly, I was telling my wife this I don't remember why I didn't go. I literally have no memory. But it didn't seem crazy because just because I've interviewed all kinds of bad people and just because someone is a horrible person doesn't mean that I won't talk to them, obviously. Right? I just want to learn. That's my job. So I didn't go. But if I had gone, I would have spent the last six months trying to explain that I'm not a pedophile. So I agree. And I also don't like witch hunts in general because they give the worst people in the world an excuse to tell you how great they are. I'm not him. And this is like. This is like the famous scene in the New Testament where, you know, the guy's praying and he's like, thank you, God. I'm not as bad as the guy next to me. And that's like true soul corruption. So we should never be self righteous. We want to be righteous, but not self righteous. So I totally agree. As for Epstein, Epstein's an idiot. Okay? That's the. If you read the Epstein emails cold, what's the first thing you notice? The guy's illiterate. He's a badly educated guy from Staten Island. He can't spell, and he can't really kind of articulate what he's saying. And his intelligence is purely feral. He's intelligent like a dog is intelligent. When the dog reads your fear or hate or whatever, the dog can smell you. The dog can't, strictly speaking, understand you. That's Epstein's variety of intelligence. But he's hardly a genius. He's hardly like some evil, brilliant puppet master. He himself is a tool of what? Where did his money come from? No one has answered that question. How did he get all this money Doing accounting services for Leon Black and Les Wexner. Come on, now I've got an accountant. I'm not paying him. Like, that's just stupid. So what is the answer?
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Megyn Kelly
No.
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Tucker Carlson
What was he being paid to do? He was an employee, not a boss. That's very obvious. He was a connector. But he's acting on behalf of others. Who. And my concern. Well, now my certainty is that the wrong people will be punished, as they always are. And I watched this with Harvey Weinstein. I worked for Harvey Weinstein, so I briefly. So I knew Harvey Weinstein was a pig. Obviously. He smoked in the elevator. Like, the guy's a pig. He didn't care about other people's opinions or feelings. I knew that. I remember it really well, so I wasn't surprised when he got a good benchmark. But I also knew, having worked in television for, like, 30 years, that, you know, some of the worst people never went down. And some of the people who did go down were bad, but they weren't even in the same realm as the people who didn't go down. So there is a sense in which these stories, these witch hunts, are a cover for the truly guilty. And as someone who cares about justice, that drives me kind of insane. And it's like, yeah, right. We should be making an effort to get to the root of it. It would be the same as if we executed every drug dealer standing on the corner in Flatbush. But we never made any effort to find out where they got the fentanyl they were selling. You'd be like, you know, I'm not against executing drug dealers, I guess, but, like, where are the suppliers?
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Megyn Kelly
Well, I give you more credit than I deserve myself when it comes to Harvey, because we. Doug and I met him years ago at one of the. It was like a Met gala or something like that. He was so nice. He was so charming. He loved Doug. And he wound up offering Doug, my husband, a job writing for his movie studio. He knew Doug was an author. And I'm like, doug, that's so cool. You should totally do that. And he was like, meg, he's a bad guy. I'm like, what do you mean? He seems so nice. He's so super, super successful. And he's like, honey. He's like, it's a no. Hard no. Do not want to have any association with Harvey Weinstein. He foresaw it all.
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Tucker.
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Megyn Kelly
He is very great.
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Tucker Carlson
I'm not surprised he does. That's why he's a great writer, because he has those instincts. I love that. He's totally right.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes.
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Tucker Carlson
But I'm not sure.
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Megyn Kelly
I feel like we journalists are more like the Saint Bernards, who are just, like, running over to everybody, like. Yeah, you're interested, too.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, exactly. Well, that's right. If you're. If your driving motive is curiosity, and if you're in this business, I hope that's what your driving motive is. Many motives, but that's one of them. Then you're always going to wind up talking to people who are not the people you'd make godparents of your children. Like, you're just always going to. I've met Kim Jong Un, and I've met all kinds of bad people. I don't endorse their programs, but I do want to know More about them. That seems like what we're paid to do.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. It doesn't. Just because they're bad doesn't mean they're uninteresting to the country. It usually means they are fairly interesting to the country. I mean, I've only recently have we gotten to the. You're not allowed to talk to that person. You know, I mean, when I. The world crumbled around me. When I interviewed Alex Jones in NBC, you know, all these other people had interviewed him, it was like, why is. Why is it, like, so bad? I'm like, need I remind you that 60 Minutes interviewed the Grand wizard of the KKK in his hat. He was wearing his hat.
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Tucker Carlson
It's pretty funny.
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Megyn Kelly
We used to do that. Diane Sawyer interviewed Jeffrey Dahmer. I'm like, I don't think Alex Jones has eaten anybody. Calm down. You know, it's just only recently have we gone absolutely nuts with, like, you're just not allowed to speak with him. All right. Speaking of absolutely nuts, before we get to a round, can I ask you about the fallout for the men's hockey team? It is ridiculous what the. These sports journalists are doing to this whole story. They keep pumping it. Every time they get one of the women's team members in front of them, they're like, what about the terrible men and Trump who made a sexist joke? And the guys laughed without pointing out that those guys were like, yeah, bring them. Absolutely. Two for two, right? And Trump made a joke. It was a joke. In any event, it's the sports writers who continue to push this. But also, there are now some of the women's team taking the bait. Here is the women's hockey captain, Hillary Knight, who does not seem to be a big Trump fan. Let's see, here it is 16. She's getting lots of snaps for this one. Tucker. No, I just thought the joke was distasteful and unfortunate.
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Evita Duffy Alfonso
And I think just the way women are represented, it's a great teaching point to really shine light on how women
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Megyn Kelly
should be championed for their amazing feats. And now I have to sort of sit and anybody has to sit in front of you and explain someone else's behavior.
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Evita Duffy Alfonso
It's not my responsibility, so. But what is is shifting the focus and shifting the narrative of this amazing accomplishment that we all did together.
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Megyn Kelly
And granted, the men's and the women's team did it together. And that is super special. It's never been done in our program's history.
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Evita Duffy Alfonso
It's something we're extremely proud about.
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Megyn Kelly
Your thoughts?
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Tucker Carlson
Well, I Feel sorry for that girl being used to divide the country. And that's obviously what this is, and that's what sports journalism is, really. If you want to weaken a country, you divide it against itself. You weaken the people, you weaken their pride in their nation, in themselves, in their ancestors, of course, in the virtues. And sports is the fastest way to the heart of, like, a plurality of American men. And so if you politicize games and use the spectacle in order to force feed the audience propaganda about how their country is bad, their culture is bad, their ancestors were bad, their skin color is bad, they're bad, and they have to be ashamed of themselves and their testosterone, then you've done a lot to weaken the country so you can dominate and control it. I mean, it's the long game. It's been going on a long time. We spend a lot of time talking about the effect of education on our children, and all of a sudden they have these views. You're like, where did you get that? And it's a process of brainwashing people over generations. We spend very little time acknowledging the very same thing has happened with professional sports, the coverage of professional sports. And, you know, I mean, there are millions of ways that you can see this, but the hatred of men's hockey tells you everything. It's like the last holdout. We got him. Which men's hockey is, like, overwhelmingly white, from rural, cold places. They're not obedient. They don't live near some urban center. They haven't been fully brainwashed. There's a kind of weird freedom there, by the way they fight. They throw off their gloves and fight.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Tucker Carlson
And so we have to imagine these. Of course, they're patriotic. Right. They're from, like, rural Minnesota, not the Twin Cities. They're from Maine. They're from the best parts of Canada, which are still great. And those. They're from Scandinavia and Russia. And those people are a massive threat. Their spirit is a threat to the country, and so we have to bring them down. And what is all of this? If you are governing your country in a way that the population hates, if you're doing things the population doesn't want, at a certain point, you fear that they're gonna, you know, take back control of their country, maybe even physically. And so you have to make sure that the country is weak, riven by division and self, doubt that the sexes hate each other, that the people who could rise up against you are incapacitated by obesity and marijuana and all kinds of other drugs. Like, you really have to work Hard to make sure you neutralize that threat. And I think it's, it's very obvious now. I've felt this for a long time, but now we're at a place where almost nothing the federal government does, the public wants. The disconnect between like, what they say they're going to do, what they actually do, what people want, and what the government spends their money trying to affect, it's just too wide. It's like it's pre revolutionary at this point. And so then you, you sort of look back and you're like, oh, maybe that's why there was a concerted effort to make men, young men, weak, disorganized and self hating. And maybe the fastest way to do that would be getting people to, you know, show disrespect to the national flag during football games. Like, maybe that wasn't accidental because it wasn't. Honestly.
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Megyn Kelly
Mm. They, I said on the air after I know is Monday or Tuesday, that it was bound to happen. This, this turn on these guys. It's really not about the Trump phone call or Cash Patel being in the locker room. It's about the fact that they're white men who are unapologetically patriotic and aggressive, full of testosterone. Like you said, they fight, they go out on the ice. They're like unapologetically bold in their testosterone, which is a massive turnoff to a certain sector of the country, especially these far left women. And no sooner had I said it than later that day, this hit. It's just one video, but man, you know, she calls it out outright. Watch. Look at this woman.
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Evita Duffy Alfonso
I do love that we all love heated rivalry. I do think it did a little bit of damage because I think that we all kind of like maybe collectively forgot that like, hockey is one of the most, if not the most conservative sports with the most conservative fan base. Like, this isn't anything new. I would say it's comparable to golf or lacrosse. But like, here's the thing, okay? Hockey, I don't know if you guys have seen, seen like the USA national team, everybody's white. Everybody on the team is white. Everybody affiliated with the team is white. All the coaches are white. Like, there is not a lot of people of color in that space. And like a huge draw to hockey is it's violent. Like, you are encouraged to be violent. Like, the fans love to watch the violence. The players love to enact violence. Like, what type of ideology do you think a white man that comes from insane, insane amounts of wealth for his entire life that like has these Violent tendencies. What type of ideology do you think that they lean towards? Like, like, obviously they were on the phone with Trump making fun of the women's team because that's what violent rich white men do. Like, that's what their favorite thing to do is, is to, like, make fun of women. And on women that are doing the same thing, if not better than they are. And they were all creaming in their fucking pants because they're on the phone with their dad. Like, it's so, like. I don't know.
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Megyn Kelly
I appreciate her saying it out loud.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah. It's so sad. You look at that girl with the tattoos on her hands and the I hate myself haircut and you just see such a tragically broken person. But you also see in miniature the state of the country, that the breakdown of relations between young men and young women is the worst thing that has ever happened to the United States. Worse than any, anything, any war we've ever had. It's the worst thing. And it's. Its effects are low birth rate, like people are not coming together and having children. Marriage rate in full collapse, and the radicalization of both young men and young women. The young men are becoming terrifyingly right wing. I agree with them, basically, but still, they're very, very intensely politically aware. I meet them all the time in airports. They're calling for an ethnostate. Like, they're mad. And the women are their polar opposite. They are like the woman, the young woman you just showed. They're angry, but in reverse, they're like, they've embraced the most nihilistic, atheistic left wing politics imaginable. And they're pro violence. They're the ones who cheered Charlie Kirk's murder. So, like, that is the building block of civilization is young man, young woman, come together for form an alliance enduring lifelong with each other, out of which flows the next generation of your citizens. Like, that's the whole thing, is marriage is the whole thing. It's not just like some social issue that, you know. No, no, that is civilization. And when that breaks down, so does your civilization. And it's. Boy, it's just the saddest thing I can, I can imagine.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. I mean, there's an unhealthy dose of crazy there. It used to be like, back, like when I went to school, if you had a Jack Hughes, the hero, one of them of the men's hockey team, all over your TV screen with the American flag draped around him and new, you know, three teeth now missing or sliced, smiling and talking about how much he Loved America. Virtually every young girl in America would fall in love with him. I mean, he's a good looking kid too. So it's like virtually every 18 to 24 year old girl will be saying, is he single? How do I meet Jack Hughes? Only today do we have probably a majority of these crazy loons being like, I hate him. I hate his white skin. I hate his hockey affiliate. I hate his patriotism and lying that he and the others come from some massively wealthy background. Jack's parents are all into hockey. The whole family's into the hockey business. They're not making huge tons of dough. The mom's like a consultant to the women's hockey team. The dad worked at a university for a time. My dad worked at a university. We were not rich. Trust me. It's a lie. A lot of them tend to be, most of them tend to be working class heroes.
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Tucker Carlson
But you wonder if it's about hockey. I mean, if you were to ask that young woman, I hope you can interview her. Maybe. Does she know what hockey is?
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Megyn Kelly
I don't think she's a fan.
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Tucker Carlson
How many touchdowns in hockey till you win? Like, she doesn't know. She doesn't know anything about it. She's not mad at hockey. She's mad at her dad. And she's mad at the boys who she had failed relationships with. And she's mad at society because it's made it impossible for her to do the thing that every person deep down wants more than anything, which is to procreate and to love your own children. And like she kind of knows that's not going to happen for her. A lot of young people know that and they're really distressed by it. And why wouldn't they be? So if you fix that, by the way, have you ever met a happily married woman in your life? Happily married woman who has those politics? I've never met one. I mean, maybe there are. Of course, I don't think they exist. No, right.
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Megyn Kelly
No. I mean, honestly, if you have a positive relationship with your dad, you'll wind up picking a positive relationship.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Megyn Kelly
In a marriage.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Megyn Kelly
You will pick a guy who will treat you respectfully, love you and you know, have, have a great healthy life in every way. And then you won't run around hating men. Like your interactions with men are positive.
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Tucker Carlson
Exactly.
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Megyn Kelly
You'll raise strong boys, like all of is self fulfilling. But meanwhile, now we have this. So they decline, the women declined to go to the White House for, or sorry to go to the Washington for the state of the Union. And they had good, good reasons for that that were stated. But now we're starting to see some of these women come out in these interviews baited by the press, owning the fact that they clearly don't like Trump. No one's shocked they're in the right demo to hate Trump, even. It seems like the sort of overwhelming patriotism of the men's team didn't necessarily translate over to the women's team, though that may be unfair. They may be patriotic. They may just ha. But they are starting to say negative things about Trump. It's like, okay, now's not the time. Like, just. Just say, oh, it was a joke. Lighten up. That's all you should say. Because by participating what the press is doing, you know, they're also crapping on their own moment, and they're crapping on the guy's moment. And the guys were in there defending them. The guys were not. They didn't come up with that joke. And the joke was so mild. Like, hockey players are tougher than this. They're just pretending not to be. But now you have the team apparently getting ready to go out to Vegas to party with Flavor Flav, who, as it turns out, is not a paragon of virtue when it comes to his relations with women. His criminal record suggests strongly he really enjoys beating them. So I'm just not sure that the guy with the, like, slightly off color joke in the locker room is less preferable than Flava Flav, who likes to punch women in the face. But here is the team. Team USA's Alex Carpenter on Wednesday after a game she just played. So 13 back in season now, but are you planning to go to Vegas
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Amala Epanobi
and hang out with Flavor Flav?
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Megyn Kelly
What's. Yeah, what's. What was that invitation like to receive that? Yeah, I've been messaging him a little bit here. It's probably my most technical texted person right now. But, yeah, I think it was definitely super special, you know, after, you know, everything that's been going around online, to be able to, you know, have someone step up like that and really go to bat for us. And I think, you know, obviously finish our seasons up here, and then I think we're fully gonna take advantage of that and go have some fun and celebrate like we deserve to.
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Tucker Carlson
Amen.
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Megyn Kelly
Just FYI, Tucker 2021. Flav arrested for misdemeanor domestic battery. Later dismissed after he pleaded guilty to a lesser charge of misdemeanor coercion via People magazine. He allegedly grabbed a woman, poked his finger in her nose and face Grab her and threw her to the ground. Allegedly grabbed a phone out of her hand. 2012, arrested for felony assault with a deadly weapon and misdemeanor domestic violence for allegedly chasing and threatening his fiance's 17 year old son with a knife. In 2014, pleaded guilty to reduce charges of misdemeanor attempted battery. 93. Served 90 days in prison for shooting at a neighbor. 93, fired an unlicensed handgun at a neighbor in front of the wrong home. 1991, served 30 days in jail after pleading guilty to assaulting his girlfriend. We could go on. I'm just thinking the mild joke in the locker room versus this, you know, it's an individual choice, I guess.
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Tucker Carlson
Yeah, I mean, I, you know, you know, like, I don't want to be too blunt, but I don't think Flavor Flav is making these decisions. He's the Epstein of this, of this scenario here. I mean, this is of course an opinion obviously, to divide the country, men from women, to weaken, right? To weaken. This is the story of the entire country for the last 60 years, ever since, you know, at least. So, yeah, flava. I mean, and these poor girls, like, I don't think they have any idea. Right? They're pawns too. Everyone you're watching on television is just an another creature crawling around the ant farm, totally unaware that they're, you know, pawns in the hands of others toward a greater purpose. And the greater purpose is to divide the country from within so it can be controlled. Obvious. It's so obvious to me. And I can I say I get. I only understood this when I spent more time abroad and watched the way things work in other countries where they're less sophisticated and they don't have a media infrastructure that's as good at lying as ours. Things are way more out in the open because human nature doesn't change country to country. People are just fundamentally the same because they're all created by God. And you see this in every country around the world. Divide the population so you can control it. And then you come back to this country like, oh, that's what's going, that's what's going on. No wonder we're telling people to be fat, that it's beautiful to have type 2 diabetes or whatever because you're trying to weaken them, of course.
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Megyn Kelly
But. But who is doing it?
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Tucker Carlson
Well, I think, you know, the most powerful people in the world obviously are the richest. So the biggest companies have the greatest incentive to take control. They're the biggest shareholders. If you think of the United States or The west or the world itself, as a company, which is not a crazy way to think of it, a publicly traded company, as in any publicly traded company, the people with the biggest say are the biggest shareholders. So if you own the most stock, you have the most votes. And so I think of it that way. So Covid, for example, who won during COVID Well, the biggest companies, Amazon won the big box retailers, where for some reason it was impossible to transmit Covid indoors. Only in a big box retailer, but in a mom and pop store. It was incredibly dangerous. Like, what's that? And they became stronger, more powerful. The online retailers became the strongest and the most powerful, but more powerful even than they were. The digital media companies, Amazon, Facebook, et cetera, they became the most powerful because that's the only way people could communicate. And they were simultaneously the same people enforcing the COVID restrictions that they benefited from. So that's just. And I'm only bringing up Covid because it was the most obvious example of this. So if you break apart families and you destroy the loyalty between husband and wife, which they've definitely done, what do you get? Well, you get employees who are much more flexible, much more willing to give more of themselves to the company. You get more obedience, is what you actually get. Women in the workforce, the greatest thing that ever happened to American companies ever, ever. Because women are amazing employees. Because they are, in general, I can say, as an employer of many women, they're more loyal. They will actually do what you ask them to do. They won't, like, freelance or space out or go to a strip bar for lunch. Like, they're amazing employees. And in order to get them, you have to convince them that working for some bank is more important than having, like, a real marriage and raising kids. That's a hard sell. So you have to break the relationship between the husband and the wife. You have to destroy the family in order to do that, in order to get cheap, reliable labor. And it's so obvious to me that that's what happened. So, so obvious. In any scenario, just ask yourself the obvious question. This happened. It didn't happen naturally. It happened because people wanted it to happen. In any scenario, who benefited? That's not a crazy thing to ask. That's the first thing the police ask. Trust me. I was a police reporter for a year. I followed cops around and watched them investigate crimes. The first question they ask is, who benefited? Because that's the most telling question, right? And so I think it's fair to ask.
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Megyn Kelly
That solves 90% of all crime benefits. Who benefits if we bomb Iran? This is scary. Okay, here's the latest. We have the largest force amassed in the Middle east since 2003. The deployment is unlike anything the US has done since 20 2003, when it amassed the forces behind the invasion of Iraq. We've shifted more than 150 aircraft to bases in Europe and the Middle East. The. It's. I don't know how you pronounce it, but there's an air base we have in Jordan that's been a key destination for US air assets streaming into the region. More than 60 warplanes were visible in satellite imagery taken Friday. More than a dozen F35 fighter jets lined up on a tarmac. Roughly a third of all active US Ships are now in the region. Warships in the area also equipped with hundreds of Tomahawk missiles, aircraft carriers accompanied by guided missile destroyers and various aircraft and helicopters. The USS Abraham Lincoln. USS Gerald R. Ford. The Lincoln has not publicly broadcast its location for more than a week, but it's believed to be operating somewhere near Oman. Gerald R. Ford spotted off the Greek island of Crete on Monday. And I could. I could go on somewhere. Lindsey Graham just got a chill down his spine. And that special little feeling just at the list of that military buildup. Tucker, you're having a different feeling. So am I. I don't get it. I gotta be honest. I don't get it. Because we were just told by the president in July. I covered it at length. You didn't want him to go into Iran with those bombs in July. We did. I was fine with it. That. That. I was like, whatever, okay, fine, let's take out the military facility or the nuclear facility. And then when they said they destroyed it, I didn't know. I saw the conflicting reporting on whether we did or we didn't, but the president certainly said we did. And now here we are six months later saying we have to go back in to stop the nuclear program, the one that we just allegedly bombed and destroyed a few months ago.
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Tucker Carlson
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
I watched a debate on Piers Morgan today with two pro Israel folks and two anti. And the pro Israel woman was saying, yeah, Israel benefits. This is definitely good for Israel. Of course we want this.
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Tucker Carlson
Right.
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Megyn Kelly
I accept that. I've heard you say on your show, great, no problem. But what do we get out of it? That's fine for them to want it and advocate. What do we get at it? Why is President Trump considering this?
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Tucker Carlson
I don't think the president wants to do it. I think he's been really clear about that. I spoke to him the other day. He didn't say anything to me that he doesn't say in public all the time. Trump is amazingly transparent in that way. I've spoken to him a lot. I speak to him regularly a lot. And he never says anything that he wouldn't say in the middle of a speech. You know, there's no, like, secret, there's no secret agenda that I've ever detected. And he said, I don't want to do this. I want a diplomatic solution. I don't want to go to war. I ran against going to war. I don't want Iran to have a nuclear weapon. That's what he says in public and in private, on the phone and in person and on stage. And so I believe it. Iran doesn't have a nuclear weapon. It doesn't have the means to get a nuclear weapon if it had a nuclear weapon to the United States. Mark Levin said three days ago in his podcast, they've got nuclear tipped ICBMs. That's a, that's a lie. He should be removed from his job for saying that because it's untrue and he knows it's untrue. This is not about protecting the United
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Megyn Kelly
States, among many other reasons.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, that's right. But, but this is incredibly high stakes. I mean, I could go on for an hour about what could go wrong in this war if it takes place. I think it's likely to take place, but it's not assured. The President decides and he has not made that decision. But all things being equal, it will happen. And you could see massive disruption to the US Economy. You could see a lot of Americans die. There are tens of thousands in the region, both military and non military. And you could see some of our closest allies in the world, the Gulf states who supply the energy for civilization around the world. You could see them disabled by this. And then you could see massive refugee crises around the world because the plan is to take out the leadership of Iran, but there's no plan after that. So it would be an open wound, 92 million people on a huge landmass, and that would continue the invasion of Europe by immigrants. A lot of them would wind up in the Gulf states directly across the Persian Gulf, and a lot of them would wind up here in the United States. So there's kind of no upside. But here's the way to think about it. We're looking at it through the wrong frame. This is not about protecting the United States, obviously. It's not about even protecting Israel. If you're Israel and your main goal is not to get hit and to keep your cities safe. The last thing you're going to do is try to provoke Iran into lobbing ballistic missiles into your country. You would never do that. That. No, this is about sweeping away any opposition to Israel's regional hegemony. Israel believes, as the only nuclear armed power in the Middle east, that it should have control over the region. And by the way, I'm not attacking them. Every nuclear armed power feels that way. We feel that way. What's going on in South America, we, we have a right to, to weigh in on that because we're the big dog. They feel that way. And what stands in their way? Well, Iran primarily, also Turkey, and then the six Gulf energy producing monarchies, primarily Qatar, because they're disobedient. They don't follow Israel's lead on a lot of different things. And this war, and of course the United States, because the United States is constantly telling Israel, you know, you can do this, you can't do that. Trump's like, no, you can't take over the entire west bank and kick all the Christians out or whatever. You know, the United States is a constraint on Israel. So they want the US out of the region. Why wouldn't they? And they're of course pivoting to India. Israel is, has decided it needs a superpower to exist. It's only 9 million people, it's a really small country. So they have to be in alliance with a larger nuclear armed power. They have to, or they won't exist. And they've picked India. Prime Minister Modi was in the Knesset yesterday and meeting with Netanyahu yesterday. And that is the plan. Israel will pivot from the United States to India. And I don't think anyone's even pretending that's not happening because support for Israel, United States is going down. So this is the last opportunity for Israel to use the US military to sweep away one of the few remaining speed bumps on the way to controlling the entire Middle east and having hegemony. And what does that mean? Well, Israel would like to expand its borders through the Levant into Syria. They're already taking land there and into Lebanon, same thing. And maybe even extending farther north from that. But Israel wants to be physically larger. Every country does. We do. This is just a feature of human nature. But they want to be larger and they can't because Iran's in the way, Qatar's in the way, the US Is in the way, and Turkey's in the way. So one by one, they're diminishing them. Does anyone think America will be stronger after this war? Of course not. America will be weaker. We can't afford it. We have no money.
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Megyn Kelly
We don't know how long it will last.
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Amala Epanobi
Of course not.
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Megyn Kelly
All the reports in the news are that even Dan Raisin Cain, the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, has been saying this could easily spin into a very prolonged quagmire. President Trump truthed out. That's not true. He'll do whatever I ask him to. He's ready to go. All he knows how to do is win. But, I mean, it's been reported in multiple papers now that Cain is saying this is fraught. This could be.
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Tucker Carlson
I don't know anyone who doesn't feel that way. No one in the Pentagon. I've talked to a bunch of people in the Pentagon. We don't have the munitions for this. Okay? Just to be. And this has again been reported publicly. This is not secret. It is a fact. And this is the analysis of the Pentagon, that if this war goes two weeks, three weeks, a month, the United States will not have enough munitions to wage a major war for 10 years. Okay, no war with a peer or near peer nation for 10 years because we don't have the industrial capacity to replace those munitions. We've already expended so many of them in defense of Israel in the last 12 months in Ukraine and in Ukraine. So it's like there's no way that this helps United States. We're not in a place to do it. I strongly think the President understands that. Certainly there's no one that I'm. Let me just be blunt. There's no one I'm aware of in this administration who is aggressively pushing for this war. All of the pressure is coming from Netanyahu. It's why he went to the White House seven times in one year. It wasn't to be nice. It was to push for regime change in Iran. I'm not attacking him. That's not anti Semitic. It's not even anti Israel. It's an acknowledgement of the truth. And no matter what you slander people with, in the end the truth remains true. Sorry. And so they want this. The only reason we might not do it.
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Megyn Kelly
Not just him, his rabidly neocon friends here, like Mark Levin, like Lindsey Graham. I mean, there really is a bloodlust by some here domestically who do have the ear of the President to take out this regime. As though it's going to be as easy as the Maduro raid.
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Tucker Carlson
Well, but everyone, look, this is Again, a country of 92 million people that has been under sanctions since 1979. It is an enormous country. It's the oldest civilization in the world. And they have a huge non nuclear arsenal of ballistic missiles. Huge. The estimates of this are publicly available. You could bore yourself all day reading about it. This is a very serious thing. When we invaded Iraq in 2000, almost exactly 33 years ago, that country had 25 million people and it was 1 6th the size of Iran. And we were there for 20 years and we never fully pacified it. This is a country of 92 million people. And like reality matters, actually like the number of people who live in your country, the armaments, they possess its landmass. These are relevant facts for people who plan wars and they help determine the outcomes of those wars and occupations. So this is pure insanity. And what people like Levin, whom I'm not attacking, I feel sorry for because he's clearly living in hell. But what they're trying to do is a species of witchcraft. And it's really simple. You repeat something until it becomes true. Khomeini must die. We're going into war. We're going to knock off the government. This is good for us. Anyone who's against it is an anti Semite, a Nazi, should be expelled. Benedict Arnold not allowed in the White House. You keep repeating things that are untrue until they become true. You speak, you create truth by speaking. In the beginning, was the word right? There is a, there's a holy power. There's a supernatural power in words. Describing things is different from simply doing them. And if you, you can talk reality into being. This is what an incantation is. That's what a spell is. It's not like spooky, like crazy stuff. It's the, the lived reality of every person. Say it and it becomes true. And that's exactly what they're trying to do. And nobody is making the case for how. How does this help the United States? How does this make us richer, safer, happier? Zero. And my concern is if this actually happens and it's likely to what then? There will be no defense. Like we waged the Iraq war for Israel. It's obvious now the people who planned it say that out loud. There was, there were no wmd. The Israelis told us there were wmd, there weren't. We know that now. They're telling us there are WMD in Iran. Also untrue. But it took 20 years to figure that out. If we go in maybe at the end of this week or whenever, every American will know this wasn't done for us. It was done for a country of 9 million people. Where are we then? Then it's clear we have no sovereignty. It's clear who did this to us. Our leaders. Our leaders did this to us at the behest of foreigners. And you sort of feel like at that point I don't know how the system works. At that point I'm really worried about not just the war but the long term effects on our country.
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Megyn Kelly
We've done enough for Israel. We're allies with Israel. We've done a lot for Israel. I'm firmly in the camp of we don't need to do this, Joe. And by the way, we already did this. We already shook out their nuclear facilities, or so we were told by the president and his team. I'd like to take them at their word. We're right back in one minute after this quick break with Tucker. Our sponsor, the Electronic Payments Coalition, says Washington politicians are always getting in your wallet and now they're messing with your credit card. They say your credit card and the security it offers are under attack and that Senators Dick Durbin and Roger Marshall want to change the nation's payment system to benefit corporate megastores like Walmart and Target at the expense of everyday Americans. Credit cards can keep your payments secure and provide rewards that families use to help make everyday purchases more affordable. The Electronic Payments Coalition says the Durbin Marshall mandates would let corporate megastores cut corners on credit card processing, routing transactions over cheaper, untested networks with weaker security and fewer protections. Find out more@guardyourcard.com and consider telling Congress to guard your card.
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Tucker Carlson
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Megyn Kelly
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Megyn Kelly
Tucker Carlson is host of The Tucker Carlson Show. He's back with me. You can find all of his great content@tuckercarlson.com if you sign up and become a member, you can get a daily email from Tucker, which is always worth reading. So while we were in the break, your, your pal Mike Pompeo posted on X the following as the US Enters a new round of negotiations with Iran, because by the way, folks, that's those are happening today. Jared Kushner and Steve Wyckoff are doing this both directly and indirectly, trying to avoid this thing. Remember, the only outcome worth having is the verifiable destruction of the regime's nuclear and ballistic missile programs and an end to its support for global terrorism. Unfortunately, the odds are slim to none. So what do you make of Pompeo's framing of the issue here?
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Tucker Carlson
Mike Pompeo is a criminal who should be arrested for plotting the murder of Julian Assange when he had no right to do that. Assange had never even been charged with anything in the United States and Pompeo plotted his murder, so he should be arrested. I've said that to him and I mean it. So with that out of the way, let me say we're not doing this because Iran poses an existential threat to us or to Israel. We are being pushed into war by Benjamin Netanyahu because Benjamin Netanyahu wants regional hegemony in the Middle East. It's really simple, and I wish people just say that. And by the way, if Israel wants to overthrow the government of Iran and deal with the consequences, it can do. They can do whatever it wants. It's got nuclear weapons. But stop lying to me and telling me that there's some peace deal you want where Iran has to, you know, give up any sovereignty at all, but they don't get sanctions relief. They can have no weapons of any kind. It's not about the weapons. It's about Iran standing in the way of Israel's regional territorial aims. Obviously, that's not embarrassing. By the way, every country feels this way. Every big nuclear armed power feels like I should get to control the area I live in. I mean, they feel that way, it's okay. But stop lying. It's the Americans who never stop lying shills like Pompeo who are getting paid from who knows how many different groups to lie to you and coming across as some sort of moral voice or poor my cuckooby guys like that who are just like, under some spell. Let's just be honest about what this is. It's not about Iran's weapons. It's about Israel's ambitions and Iran stands. And now, by the way, in case you haven't noticed, they're making bellicose noises about Turkey. Oh, the next war is against Turkey. I have no feelings about Turkey or Erdogan one way or the other. I mean, there's nothing farther from my life than that.
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Megyn Kelly
That's where men go for hair transplants. That's what I know about Turkey.
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Tucker Carlson
I like Bodrum. Okay? It's like, it's pretty. That's where you get on the boat. It's fine. It's all fine. But now we have to hate Turkey. Why? Because they are the last remaining nation in the region that could stand in the way of Israel controlling the whole region. This is about territory. Bibi sees his country as a great global power, himself as a great global leader. I get it. Not attacking him doesn't make me an anti Semite. It's just I'm noticing this and they want what every leader like that wants, which is to be the Caesar of his realm. Okay, but they're just lying to us and telling us they've got nuclear tipped ICBMs coming from New York. Stop. You liar. You're lying and you want my military
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Megyn Kelly
been lying for a long time.
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Tucker Carlson
It's insane.
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Megyn Kelly
They've been lying for a lot. This, I saw you did this on your show. This soundbite, which we're gonna play. But when this first started again, like the build up to what we did in July with Bibi, like they're this close to having the nuclear bomb. Like it was one of the aha moments that I've had over the past year when it came to Israel, because I was there. I was at Fox News for each of those UN addresses by Bibi. And the one that I remember in particular where he had the picture of the bomb and it looked like the round bomb that like they do in the cartoons and said that they're within months. And I was a naive young journalist at Fox who really didn't do a lot of foreign policy coverage like, oh wow, that sounds dire. God, that's bad. We better pay attention. If that's true. I think Iran hates us. That's what they say. And they hate Israel. So wow. And Here we were 14 years removed from that speech with him saying the same thing. And truly it's just like over time, if you paid any attention, you realize he's been lying every. Every time he has an agenda. They weren't. He's said it for years. If they were within months of Getting the bomb back then, that was, I think, 2012. Why are we now at 2026 and they don't have it? And you ran a similar clip on your show. I think it was last night from dating back to the mid-90s. Yes. We're going to show it in part here. Watch.
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Benjamin Netanyahu (clip)
The most dangerous of these regimes is Iran. That has wed a cruel despotism to a fanatic militancy. Only the United States can lead this vital international effort to stop the nuclearization of terrorist states. But the deadline for attaining this goal is getting extremely close. The two nations that are vying competing with each other, who will be the first to achieve nuclear weapons is Iraq and Iran. And Iran, by the way, is also outpacing Iraq in the development of ballistic missile systems. They're very close. They're six months away from being about 90% of having the enriched uranium for an atom bomb. They're rushing forward with their enrichment program. By next spring at most, by next
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Megyn Kelly
summer 2012, with the bomb current enrichment
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Benjamin Netanyahu (clip)
rates, they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage. From there, it's only a few months, possibly a few weeks, before they get enough enriched uranium weeks for the first bomb. You don't want this Iran to have neither nuclear weapons or the capability to make nuclear weapons to enrich uranium for a nuclear bomb in short order, in a few weeks or a few months, they could do that. Unless that's changed. With this massive capacity, Iran could make the fuel for an entire nuclear arsenal and this in a matter of weeks. Once it makes that decision.
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Megyn Kelly
2015, by the way, that was our montage. I know you didn't do it, but Debbie Murphy's correcting me that we put that one together ourselves. But he's been saying the same thing for years, Tucker, trying to bait us into this. And now, you know, thanks to Pompeo and Levin and guys like that, they have a president who's at least considering it. I just feel like Trump, he hates war. Why would he do this?
- [60:32]
Tucker Carlson
Bibi also got more hair every year over 30 years, which is amazing. Kind of like defying nature in Turkey. I'm sorry, that was so catty. I'm sorry I said that, but it's true. But no, it's not. And again, like Bibi's doing, Bibi has contempt for the United States and for American leaders. He expresses it all the time. No wonder, because they do his bidding and they swallow his obvious lies. And you can't help but have contempt for people you can manipulate and they Very much have contempt for us. And they show it. Ask any American diplomat other than Huckabee who deals with the Israelis. And they just exude contempt. And it's deserved. They should have contempt for us because our leaders swallow this stuff and do their bidding unthinkingly and betray the American people in the process. So again, it's not a matter of being mad at Israel, much less anti Semitic, it's a matter of feeling betrayed by our own leaders. In the case of our current president, he doesn't want to do this. He may not have a choice, actually, because Israel has said, if you don't join us, we're going to do it anyway. Move unilaterally, possibly with nuclear weapons, which they have. And they've threatened that before. And everyone pretends that's not true. It is true. They threatened it in 1973. I believe they threatened it subsequently. If you don't backstop us, if you don't defend us, help us, send us armaments, send your aircraft carriers to the region, give us missile defense, we'll have no choice but to use nukes against our enemies. And nobody wants that. Cuz it could set off a third world war, a nuclear third world war. So that is their trump card. They've played it before. I believe they are at least implying it now. They are playing it in effect now. And so it leaves the administration with like, how many choices? If they say they're gonna do it, then the best you can do, I guess, is to try to constrain them by, by shaping what they're doing. Okay, we'll participate, but we're going to set some of the, of the boundaries here. I mean, I do think that's the thinking. That is my impression. No one's told me that explicitly, but it's pretty obvious. But I would just say there is another option that no one in Washington ever seems to consider, which is constraining our client state and saying, look, for our sake, and by the way, also for yours, no, if you allow people who are dependent on you to treat you like this, it doesn't end well. If you allow your children to scream the F word in your face at dinner, it's bad for you, but it's also bad for them because they're out of control. You are not, you are not living up to your role as a parent, as a guardian, as the person in charge, as the guy paying for all this. As the country of 350 million would naturally relate to a country of 9 million, it's our fault. We've let Israel get completely out of control. They're, they're fighting a seven front war right now. Who fights a seven front war? Like, if you're fighting a war, I heard you discussing it, but it's like obviously insane. A seven front war.
- [63:22]
Megyn Kelly
We don't want in that.
- [63:23]
Evita Duffy Alfonso
No.
- [63:23]
Megyn Kelly
But also on any seven front war.
- [63:25]
Tucker Carlson
You're not managing.
- [63:26]
Megyn Kelly
But I want to sound like. Because you talked to Mike Huckabee about that desire within Israel amongst its leaders anyway, for hegemony, for, for growing power within the Middle East. And he made an admission, of course, he's our ambassador to Israel. He made an admission that caused an international scandal. All these Middle Eastern countries responded very angry at what he said. Here's the clip.
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Tucker Carlson
God gave that land to his people, the Jews, or he didn't. You're saying he did. What does that mean? Does Israel have the right to that land? Because you're appealing to Genesis, you're saying that's the original deed. It would be fine if they took it all, but I don't think that's what we're talking about here today. I think it would be fine if the state of Israel took over all. They take it over. You're explaining what Christian Zionism is and your theological beliefs. And I think you just said it would be fine with you if the state of Israel took all of Syria, all of Lebanon. They're not trying to take over Jordan. They're not trying to take over Syria. They're not trying to take over Iraq or anywhere else. But they do want to protect their people.
- [64:36]
Megyn Kelly
CNN pointing out that suggesting even nominal support for Israeli sovereignty over much of the Middle east is an unprecedented departure from American foreign policy. It also goes well beyond what much of Israel's far right is willing to call for publicly. Nearly every Middle Eastern country aside from Israel condemned Huckabee's comments in a joint statement on Sunday led by the uae, backed by Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Qatar and others denounced his comments as dangerous and inflammatory. And even Muslim majority countries outside the region like Turkey, Indonesia and Pakistan also signed on to the denunciation. So what do you. Did he just have a moment where he let his guard down because he was trying to be so careful in that whole interview? Tucker, what, what happened there?
- [65:21]
Tucker Carlson
It went on like this for two and a half hours. He should be recalled. He doesn't represent the United States. This was a true humiliation to our country. This is our US Ambassador. I'm the son of an ambassador. I sort of know how this works. You're supposed to represent the president and the nation. And he's representing the country he's living in, which is a foreign nation. So it's a humiliation. It's also sad for him. That's not Christian theology. It's not even close to Christian theology. He's gonna have to deal with that at some point. But as a practical matter, he couldn't explain the most obvious questions I asked. He. He said, as people often do, does Israel have a right to this land? And I said, where does that right come from? And do other countries have similar rights? And he said two things. No. No other country has a right. No other people has a right to its land. Only the Israelis have a right to their land. That's it. The Irish don't have a right to Ireland. The English don't have a right to England. The French don't have a right to France. Only the Israelis have a right to Israel. And that right comes from God. And so I said, being familiar with the verse, that's from Genesis 15. And here's the promise that God made to Abram before he became Abraham to abram in Genesis 15. And it's the land between the Nile and the Euphrates, and that's the whole Middle East. And that's the basis upon which you're making this claim. So you're saying Israel has a right to this land. This is his own framework, not mine. I'm a Christian, but I believe in also secular diplomacy. Like, these are the boundaries. This is what the treaty specifies. Like, I live in reality. I don't think that the blueprint for international relations is Genesis 15. I just don't think that. Call me a bad Christian. I don't think that's. But he does. And so since he does, I said, okay, do they have the right to all of this? And he said, now, famously, they can take it. He's saying that. Not simply as some sort of, I guess, sort of Christian preacher, I guess. He's saying that as the US Ambassador to what everyone calls our closest ally. Boy, you can't talk that way if you're a diplomat representing my country and my president. So I think it's an outrage, leaving aside all the other stuff. So rather than explain it, he just goes on this rant that I should be banned from the White House, that I'm a Nazi, I'm an anti Semite, which I'm not, as everyone knows me knows I'm not. I've said it a thousand times. I'm totally opposed to anti Semitism. But he. He Denounces.
- [67:35]
Megyn Kelly
When you got more critical of Israel, they started calling you an anti Semite over and over and over. And I do think it's a means of undermining your critique of Israeli policy, of course.
- [67:45]
Tucker Carlson
And getting me kills. I get it.
- [67:47]
Megyn Kelly
They're trying to otherize you.
- [67:48]
Tucker Carlson
Yeah. But I'm not gonna. You know, I'm too old to put up with this. And I would say, just to be blunt, people are very intimidated by that. They're intimidated because they don't want their reputations destroyed. They also don't want to be killed. People sense a physical threat from that kind of language, and they should. Those are fighting words. Those are words meant to inspire violence. Israel is an incredibly violent country. It brags about its violence. Many books have been written about its assassination campaigns, which have been ongoing since the end of the Second World War, when they assassinated committed acts of terrorism against the British when they blew up the King David Hotel, et cetera, et cetera. People know this is a very violent country, the most violent country on planet Earth. And when you criticize it, you can get physically hurt or you can get deplatformed, debanked, lose your job. These are not hollow threats. And because those threats are real, pay
- [68:34]
Megyn Kelly
random influencers all over the Internet by the tweet to try to destroy your reputation and say that you're a neo Nazi, anti Semite every turn, Right. Whether your name is Tucker, Carl Carlson, or Megyn Kelly, for that matter. I mean, and we barely ever even talk about Israel. And I've experienced some of this backlash. It's ridiculous.
- [68:52]
Tucker Carlson
Well, you came out and said, I love Israel, I'm a friend of Israel. I couldn't be more pro Jewish. I don't have an anti Semitic bone in my body. And I, by the way, really like Israel. For the fifth time. And they still called you a Nazi. So why?
- [69:03]
Megyn Kelly
Why?
- [69:03]
Tucker Carlson
And I even talked to some of the people doing it. I was like, megyn Kelly, Really? If Megyn Kelly's an anti Semite, I mean, I don't even know where we are here. And. But now we're seeing why. And the reason was to prevent criticism of policy goals Israel wants. They're saying it out loud. They want to use the US Military and the US treasury to sweep aside the last remaining obstacle to regional hegemony in the Middle east, which is Iran. And they don't want to be criticized or to be asked, like, what's the plan here? Because they don't have an answer. And so they have taken offline preemptively critics, by being so violent rhetorically and maybe physically that everyone's like, I don't want to get involved. I don't want to deal with this. The cost is too high.
- [69:47]
Megyn Kelly
That's exactly it.
- [69:48]
Tucker Carlson
That is exactly what they've done. And I've just decided at 56, I don't care. And I'm just going to do this because I believe that my motives are pure. I'm just an American. And I think it's important to say this, but there are a lot of other people who feel it, who won't say it because it's like, I've got kids. I don't want to deal with this. That is true. That's a fact.
- [70:05]
Megyn Kelly
I know. I'm sure you get. I'm, I'm sure you get what I mean. I'm only new to this being called an anti Semite game. You know, on the top of being a racist and a transphobe and a pedophile lover and all the things that, you know, we've probably both been called over the years now. The latest is anti Semite, neo Nazi, but I get texts all the time from people who are like, I agree with what you're saying. I just can't say it publicly. I'm sure you get that times 100, like people, they are scared. They're scared that this very loud lobby of online so called influencers, whatever, I mean, the vicious online X crowd is going to come for them. And I understand it because, Tucker, you have a huge show. We have a big show too. It's gonna be really hard to destroy you. And thankfully, I think it's gonna be really hard to destroy us too. And so we're in a little bit more of a steady place than a lot of these people who agree with us, but are, you know, probably wisely not being that out loud about it because that could be their head in a basket next.
- [71:07]
Tucker Carlson
No, there's. That's right. And they go after members of your family. They've certainly done that to me very aggressively. But really the cost here is not, is not that. The cost here is hate. So you see some of these people, and I would say Levin is one of them, Loomer is another, who are not making an argument. They're trying to evoke hate in you. They are trying to make you hate them. Now, why would they do that? Because that's the nature of this is supernatural. Just saying this is spiritual battle as well as a temporal battle. And the answer is really simple. Because hate feeds on evil or Evil feeds on hate rather. So to the extent that they can inspire hate in their opponents, they become stronger. It's just a fact. And the opposite, of course, are the people trying to inspire love and bring unity and stop division and make people understand each other and evoke empathy in others. Those are signs, signs of God and goodness. But signs of evil are always the same. It's chaos and hate. And chaos and hate are the things that they're calling for. And it's very easy to get sucked into that. If you spend your life on the phone reading thing, you know, reading attacks not just on yourself but on other. Reading attacks on you is actually driving me completely. So I never read about myself, but I'd read these attacks. Megyn Kelly's a Nazi or whatever. And I'm like, I can't believe you're saying that. It's so. It's such a lie. It's irrational. Irrational, by the way, is is another feature of their rhetoric. It doesn't make sense. That's designed to bewilder you and again, to inspire hate in you. So I really think the trick for the rest of us is don't play along. I'm not going to be hateful. I don't hate you. I'm never going to hate you. Because I don't want to feed the evil through hate.
- [72:46]
Megyn Kelly
No, I consider a massive blessing that all of my best friends actually do happen to be Jewish. Like, it's a massive blessing, you know, because. Because this kind of like non stop harassment can actually drive you to like drink. Like what, what the hell? This is totally. No, I totally ever done to either one of us. They are way worse.
- [73:04]
Tucker Carlson
Way worse.
- [73:04]
Megyn Kelly
And so it's like you have to be reminded every day that. No, no, no, no, no. They don't speak for American Jewish people. Well, they certainly don't have all sorts of varying views on Israel, on Netanyahu and on war with Iran and have no problem with people being critical of those things. This is like an online sack that is in large part paid to push an agenda that includes, you know, cutting people out like you and me, like a canary in the coal mines. Like this will happen to you. Anybody who comes. If I can do this to Tucker, if I can do this to Megan, I can do it to all of you. And I will do it relentlessly, try to ruin you, smear you, make it so that you can't even go on X.
- [73:41]
Tucker Carlson
Totally.
- [73:42]
Megyn Kelly
Which is why.
- [73:42]
Tucker Carlson
Right.
- [73:43]
Megyn Kelly
I refuse to leave there.
- [73:44]
Tucker Carlson
And they want to give the impression that they completely control the administration that they, they alone decide who goes into the White House. And I've gone to see Donald Trump.
- [73:53]
Megyn Kelly
They're literally pushing for you never to be allowed back into the White House.
- [73:55]
Tucker Carlson
Right now I've gone three times in the last month. Now why have I done that? I have no real interest in going to Washington. I don't live there anymore. I'm from there, but I don't go there because I don't want to. But I have gone first cuz I really like Trump and I've known Trump longer than Laura Loomer's been alive, probably. And I've always liked him and I've always gotten along with him. And Donald Trump ran on the things that I believe. Okay, so. And I campaigned for him.
- [74:19]
Megyn Kelly
Him.
- [74:19]
Tucker Carlson
These people did not. I did. So I have a relationship with Trump that is very affectionate and honest. And I'm just gonna say that out loud. And I thought, I just wanna make the point that, no, I like Trump and Trump certainly doesn't agree with me on everything and certainly doesn't follow my instruction, unfortunately, on all kinds of things at all. But I'm an American who knows him and really likes him and has for many years, and I have a right to go there, so I'm just gonna make that point. No, you don't control the White House. I'm sorry. Part of this is illusion. They're trying. They have a tiny minority position in the United States. Mark levin represents what, 5, 10% of the American population agrees, less agrees with Mark Levin, but they're creating this kind of movie set where they're speaking for the majority. They've got an American flag in the background. If you're a true patriot, then you wanna send your son to go die for a, a foreign country and get poorer in the process. Like, it's all insane. But they're creating this illusion that it's real. And my job, I feel like, is to the extent I can help break that illusion. No, I'm gonna walk into the White House, which I've been visiting since I was a child. This is my country. I'm very familiar with this city, I'm very familiar with this building, and I'm very familiar with the guy who occupies the Oval Office right now. And I really like him. And I just wanna say that because that alone might help shatter the illusion that they totally control Trump. They do not totally control Trump. That is not true. I've talked to Trump five times in the past month. They do not totally control Trump. He listens to them. He listens to others, he listens to Bibi. He also listens to MBS and mbz and he listens to a lot of people. They're not totally in control. Sorry. And I just wanna remind people of that.
- [76:01]
Megyn Kelly
Well, I mean, the last time I went to the White House, I was reminded of the fact that you do need an invitation to get in. Like you. I love that. They're making it sound like you just stormed the gates. I insist on speaking with the President. You go to the White House by invitation. It's very clear that the President does want varying points of view. And Mark Levin, I saw him at the White House. He was there not long ago. He has his say, but he doesn't want you to have your say. And you represent a very large faction of Americans, not just Republicans. There's a very large swath of Democrats that doesn't want to see war with Iran either. And the President should have access to you and your ideas, which are very well thought out. You spent a lot of time thinking about this and interviewing people on it. Just Mark Levin doesn't. It's his ideas or no one's. That's really where he is, which is just completely bonkers. And Trump is not standing for it.
- [76:49]
Tucker Carlson
Well, he's trying to create the illusion that his ideas are the only ideas and that he represents some kind of consensus. And I, you know, I would be willing to bet I represent the views of more Americans than Mark Levin does. I'd be willing to bet my life actually. But it's not even about that. It's Mark Levin.
- [77:05]
Megyn Kelly
70% do not want war with Iran.
- [77:07]
Tucker Carlson
Well, Mark Levin wants you to believe that he controls Trump and Bibi wants you to believe that he controls Trump. Bibi runs around the Middle east telling all the other leaders, you can't talk to Trump directly. I control Trump. He's told. I mean, I know that, cuz I've talked to those leaders who told me that. That's a fact. Okay, I control Trump. That's what Bibi tells everyone in the region. You want to deal with him, you deal with me and I'll bring the message. Mark Levin is taking the same message to the American public. I control Trump. Trump. He's with Trump at some event a few months ago. He puts his arm around, he's like a little short man, puts his arm around the President, United States and like pulls him in like that. Who does that? Trump doesn't like that. Who would like that?
- [77:43]
Megyn Kelly
Would you like to emasculate Trump?
- [77:44]
Tucker Carlson
Exactly. His message is I control Trump. And as someone who knows Trump very well and loves Trump and always has loved Trump, despite getting annoyed at certain points, you know, spent a lot of time with Trump. That offends me. You do not control Trump. He is an autonomous man. He's the President of the United States, elected by the nation, not by you in your irrelevant little podcast that nobody listens to. Or bb, who's not even an American. No, he represents all Americans. All Americans of all religions. Stop trying to divide this country. Stop trying to tell me all Muslims are evil. How is that better than all Jews are evil? It's not better. It's exactly the same. The message that Americans yearn for. And the only path back to American strength is American unity, where citizenship is the thing that brings us together. We may disagree on things, but we're all in this together. It's like a marriage. I may be mad at my spouse, but we're still married. And it's people like Mark Levin who are trying to divide this country, break it into its component parts so they can control it. Do not allow that. And the first step, from my perspective, is making the point that they do not. Mark Levin and Bibi and the rest of these ghouls do not control Donald Trump. He is a free man who answers to God and the public. And I just wanted to shatter the illusion, and I hope that it helped. They really hate me for doing it, but, sorry, I'm going back, cuz I love Trump and I like going there to see him, and it's interesting and he's fun, he's funny as hell, and I'm an American and I'm gonna continue to do that.
- [79:12]
Megyn Kelly
They can't stand your influence, which is kind of fun to watch. And, you know, listen, there's a reason God put you in this position. Like, like, built you up to the point where you could take on this battle. Tucker. And the slings and arrows coming your way, which are substantial. I mean, truly, like, we've both been through the cable news gauntlet, and it really is a snake pit. And. And what's happening now on this front. These people are way worse than.
- [79:35]
Tucker Carlson
Dude, that was nothing compared to this
- [79:37]
Megyn Kelly
Media Matters ever through.
- [79:38]
Tucker Carlson
We used to complain about Briganti or whatever at Fox, like, oh, she's so bad.
- [79:43]
Amala Epanobi
Right?
- [79:43]
Tucker Carlson
That was nothing compared to. To what these people are like. Yeah. Whoa.
- [79:50]
Megyn Kelly
But last I checked, you know, we look at the podcast charts on Apple all the time, which is our biggest platform. And we're. You and I are always up there. We're like one and two, one way or the other every week when it comes to powerhouse podcasts, and the only one we ever really trail behind is the New York Times, the Daily. Sometimes one of those other left wingers will get in front of us, but it's. It's. We're doing great. So it's not working, is my point. No, it's not working, and that drives them even more crazy. So just speaking truth, that's what. That's what gets you there.
- [80:20]
Tucker Carlson
Amen.
- [80:20]
Megyn Kelly
I love talking to you, my friend. Let's do it again soon.
- [80:22]
Tucker Carlson
You're the best, Megan. Thank you very much.
- [80:24]
Megyn Kelly
Lots of love. You. You as well. It's so good to talk to him. I just feel like what's happening to Tucker is unfair. And, you know, I hate the word unfair. It's, like, not a healthy word. When you spend too much time thinking about how your life is unfair, you become bitter. But I will just say, for as a factual matter, what's happening to him is unfair. If you listen to Tucker show, and I do listen to his show, he is very critical of Israel. He does not like how they try to exercise control over us and to pull us into wars, and that drives a certain segment crazy. But he is not somebody out there criticizing Jews, okay? That's what the left. Not all the left, just the crazy, you know, like. And it's not the light. It's not just, this is the right. Mark Levin is on the right, but it's the sort of. The very, very ardently pro Israel crowd would have you believe. He's. He's got a problem with Jews. And he doesn't. He just doesn't. There's just no evidence of that. And there's zero evidence when it comes to me. Like, it's my friendship with Tucker that's gotten me canceled by some segments and had some people saying, like, I'm an anti Semite, including Mark Levin, calling me a neo Nazi. It's ridiculous. In any event, I hate talking about it. It makes you not want to talk about Israel at all, because it's like, there's no. There's no upside. You know, this fucking crazed lunatic online crowd will come for you because that's all they care about. They don't give a shit about the United States. They are Israel first. So it's like, you don't want to touch it. Like, I don't want to deal with these absolute vile bullies. But we may be going to a war with Iran because they're pushing Trump into it. So we must talk about them. And we will. And if you don't like our commentary, you have lots of other options to turn to. So far, we've been doing just fine. And I think our audience has room at its heart for diverse viewpoints. And that's fine by me too, even if you disagree with me. As you know, on this show from the beginning, one of my most like, favorite thing to reads to read in the emails is I disagree with you all the time. But I love the show because it opens my mind or I hear interesting discussions, you know, that I can take or leave at my pleasure. That's, that's high praise. That's what we try to do. And I, I hope I try to model the ability to talk to people with whom I disagree or with whom I've had disagreements in the past to show you can get past it, you know, like, who would ever have expected my friendship with Steve Bannon, right? It's like, it's crazy. Who would have thought that? But I am very capable of moving past prior slights and negative chapters because I'm human and I have to exist in this world. And I live in an ecosystem where if you can't do that yet, you'll have nobody left to talk to. It's vicious. 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Tucker Carlson
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Megyn Kelly
Hey everyone, it's me, Megyn Kelly. I'VE got some exciting news. I now have my very own channel on SiriusXM. It's called the Megyn Kelly Channel and it is where you will hear the truth unfiltered with no agenda and no apology. Along with the Megyn Kelly show, you're gonna hear from people like Mark Halperin, link Lauren, Maureen Callahan, Emily jasinsky, Jesse Kelly, RealClear Politics, and many more. It's bold. No BS news only on the Megyn Kelly Channel, SiriusXM 111 and on the SiriusXM app. Turning now to some other headlines, Mayor Zoran Mamdani is back at the White House as we learn more about the assault on NYPD officers in his city. You know, by so called kids. And another Olympic men's hockey team member is getting grilled by the absolute worst woke sports writers of America. Joining me now to break it all down is independent journalist Evita Duffy Alfonso and podcaster Amala Epanobi, host of the Amala Epanobi Podcast. Evita. Amala, welcome back. Great to have you.
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Katie Nolan
Thanks for having me.
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Megyn Kelly
Thanks for having us. Okay, let's start with Brady Tkachuk who is American but plays up in Canada and just got cross examined by some woke Canadian female sportscaster.
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Amala Epanobi
I heard KK talking about you, Abby
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Megyn Kelly
Murphy, but do you understand how they
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Katie Nolan
could feel pretty put down by that moment?
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Tucker Carlson
I mean I, yeah, I mean I get it. I think, yeah, I mean I don't really, of course we're, I have no really other comments other than then, you know, for the things that we can control. And that was, you know, we supported them, they supported us. Can't control about know what other people say. By far the best team in that tournament. It was just fun hanging out with them after, you know, picking their brains. They're picking our brains and it was just fun to be around them.
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Megyn Kelly
So then why would you laugh when they got invited?
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Tucker Carlson
I mean I, I don't really have an answer honestly. It was, was just a whirlwind of a moment that like you can't really control what somebody says and, and it just I guess caught off guard a little bit. But I know you're talking to the president.
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Megyn Kelly
I am so sick of this shit, Amala. This is stomach turning. When will it end? Oh my gosh, who knows.
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Amala Epanobi
I'm so tired of the PC police. But I think what happens here is they represent the worst nightmare for the left here. Like group of white men who are triumphant on behalf of the US are being called by Donald Trump. It was a recipe for disaster from the start here. And I think we got to talk about the joke that Donald Trump made about the women's team and use it to talk about the accomplishment of the men's team here without setting aside that the women did really great at the Olympics. These men have been like in a 40 year metal drought when it comes to hockey. 46 years, in fact. And they broke that. The men's team gets more viewers, they have more supporters. This should be an amazing, amazing time to unite as Americans and just celebrate something that was awesome. And of course they're going to laugh. They're in a high, they're in a moment where they've accomplished something really great and for their country. And we should be able to set aside a little joke that may or may not have been in poor taste and allow them to celebrate this moment.
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Megyn Kelly
It's ridiculous. Here's the joke again for people who haven't heard it. Trump with the guys in the locker room post win, what would really be cool?
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Tucker Carlson
And we'll do the White House the next day. We'll just have some fun. We have metal for you guys. And we have to, I must tell you, we're gonna have to bring the woman's team. You do know that. I do believe I probably would be impeached. Okay.
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Megyn Kelly
A lot of the guys said amazing, said two for two, two for two. Evita, they had no problem with it. And, and then he followed up with, or I'd be impeached. And they gave him some polite chuckles. And for this, the media is ruining both the men's and the women's celebration of their gold medals.
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Katie Nolan
I mean, a lot of the men in that room seem to be celebrating the women's victory as well. Like the, the assumption that it's, it's, it's negative and sexist is, is of course intentional because they want to make everything, as Amala said, a victory for white men somehow a negative, awful thing. And I'd like to ask just every single person who's offended by this, all the journalists, all the, the female athletes who are left wing, do you guys support trans identifying men in women's sports? I mean, if we could have, if you guys can come to the table on that one, then we could have a conversation about whether President Trump is sexist when he calls the team in the locker room to congratulate them. But otherwise, I just don't want to have a conversation about it. It's kind of ridiculous.
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Megyn Kelly
It's not just that. Canadian journalist, Abby whatever her name is, the Canadian Journalists are of course terrible because Canada's so woke and annoying. There's a guy named Damien Cox who writes for the Toronto Star, wrote an op ed there and he took issue with one of our players named Austin Matthews, who plays for the Toronto Maple Leafs. He's been playing for them for 10 years and he's very, very upset that this guy Austin Matthews acted happy to win his gold medal even though he plays for a Canadian team in the NHL. I mean, it's ridiculous. He's. The op ed is full of a long lecture for Austin about how he's got two Cs on his jersey, one's for Canada, one's for captain, and that clearly he proved by going to the White House. So he didn't go to the state union, he went to the White House and had the burgers with the president, shook his hand that the 1C captain means more to him than the other C Canada, and had a lecture for him about how he was allowed to celebrate. It was fine for him to go to Miami, according to this writer, but at that point, after that was all done, he could have said, sorry boys, but I've got to go back to work. He talks about how the Maple Leafs really needed him and they're in serious danger of missing the playoffs. Instead, the Arizona born pivot chose to jump on a plane for Washington D.C. to accept an invitation to visit Trump. He went to a luncheon, posed for pictures with Trump, then skipped the dog and pony State of the Union address. He says apparently he's blissfully unaware. Many athletes and teams have declined invitations from the Trump administration. The entire women's hockey team, possibly insulted by the fact that Trump made this joke. Ba ba Ba said, thanks, but no thanks. He preferred to exchange his immediate return to the Leafs for the opportunity to shake Trump's hand. When asked about his lack of sensitivity toward Canada, Matthews took the athletes easy way out. Quote, I don't like to get political or get that, get into that kind of stuff. He said, we get it. You're a proud American, but not a proud Torontonian. Not even verbally supportive of the country that has given you the privilege of living and working here as a non citizen for a decade. He's outraged, this guy. I can't like these. Sooner or later our boys are going to have to start telling everyone to fuck off.
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Amala Epanobi
Oh yeah, I mean, at this point, and have you seen them play a game of hockey? Have you seen how rough and masculine that game can be? And here we are being offended by people going to visit the president, and I think we should look a little bit further into his statement. Not only did he say, I don't like to get political, but he sort of alludes to the idea that really anybody would take up this invitation and go to meet the president, regardless of who the president is. And I think what we're falling for here is people who just like to go after Trump. They have TDS syndrome. If this was another president under another administration, we would wouldn't be hearing about any of this, the joke, the invitations, the State of the Union. But because it's Donald Trump, it sort of taints everything that happens surrounding our sports, surrounding the celebration of the US Surrounding being a US Citizen. This guy did nothing wrong. And obviously so.
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Megyn Kelly
And now you have the American journalist just as bad, Evita. Just as bad. The new CBS completely revamped now, right? They're going to be more fair and balanced now under the new leadership. You tell me. Here's thought 19 on their morning show Thursday. See Today, CBS Morning.
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Tucker Carlson
Okay, moving on to the members of the US Hockey team. They're talking now about President Trump's joke that did not land well for some. The men's team visited the White House Tuesday after an invite from the president. In a phone call to the US Locker room after Sunday's final game, the president seemed to put down the US Women's team, which had also one goal. All right, so the men are taking some heat for laughing along with the president at that joke, the expense of the women's hockey team. Jack Hughes says people are making something out of nothing. And both teams support each other. The majority of the US Men's team, of course, attended the State of the Union earlier this week. The women were invited. They declined. They're. I can see why the women are being. I could see why they're offended by him.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, of course. Gayle King would like you to know they have every right.
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Katie Nolan
Evita, you know, at one point. So I believe that there is a lot of TDS happening right now, but I think there's just an overwhelming sense of hatred of America. I just saw a Gallup poll. It's 92% of Republicans are proud to be American, only 38% of Democrats. I mean, the disconnect that we have as a country politically, it's not just that they don't like this president. It seems like they hate our country. And we have it, you know, from outside our country, too, obviously, with Canada and other foreign entities who don't love America. But when you have it in your own House. It starts to become kind of pathological. You start to realize we have a real sickness and this is coming from all of our institutions. This is why the Trump administration is constantly trying to create reforms. And it's in our education system, in corporate media. I mean, it's become a massive, massive cancer in our society.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes, it's really, there's a rot. And that's why they see racism and everything. They see bigotry and everything. Just quickly, here's Representative Maxine Dexter. She's a Democrat from Oregon on the latest finding of racism where it doesn't exist.
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Amala Epanobi
58, please ask for the science based regiments, not whatever RFK junior is getting
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Evita Duffy Alfonso
kickbacks on or, you know, whatever whole milk white supremacy. Dog whistling that's happening right now.
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Amala Epanobi
I'm getting a little too political, but
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Megyn Kelly
pretty sure she said whole milk is white supremacy. Amla. Who knew?
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Amala Epanobi
I, I didn't know. I've been drinking whole milk. I haven't, I haven't become a white supremacist yet.
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Megyn Kelly
I guess part of the problem, you
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Amala Epanobi
know, it's just so crazy. I mean, we've heard the left say before that things like working out and going to the gym regularly are extensions of white supremacy. We saw the Smithsonian time. Yes. Being on time, saying, being polite, you know, believing in any sort of time schedule, having a nuclear family. These things are white supremacy. You could go through a list of just about anything, throw it at a leftist, and I think they would find some way to make it racist, to make it something that is indicative of you being a member of the kkk. And they'll ignore the glaring issues that exist in our society. Our childhood obesity rate, the fact that kids are lacking in like, vitamins and nutrients that they can get from whole milk. Can we focus on the issue or do we have to make everything about
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Megyn Kelly
white supremacy and truly, like, pay attention? We've redone the food pyramid. We are not looking at saturated fat the way we used to. Just do a little reading, madam. We got to talk about Zoram Mamdani. His absurd behavior in response to just a snowball fight. It was just a snowball fight in the park by kids, which is such a lie. There were, it was all grown men and some women pelting cops with ice balls. With snowballs and with snowballs that had rocks in them too, I later found out. And so Zoram Mamdani refuses to just acknowledge what we all saw with our own eyes. And now he's doubling down on it. Here's a little bit more. Well, he was pressed on Wednesday about like, some cops went to the hospital, like they were bleeding, they had lacerations on their face. Like, you're really dismissing this too, too easily and too lightly. And here's that in SOT56, if the
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Tucker Carlson
NYPD investigates and the DA decides it's criminal, are you going to seek to intervene? I've said that what I saw was a snowball fight. It should be treated accordingly. It was one that got out of hand, but that's what it was.
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Megyn Kelly
So, Mr. Mayor, are you willing to revise, emphasize your statement regarding the snowball fight, given that this was not exactly a friendly back and forth snowball fight, that the police that were there were not throwing any snowballs, they were getting pelted themselves. And number two, have you considered or would you consider banning these crowdsourcing events because they can and sometimes do get out of hand.
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Tucker Carlson
So I'm not going to be banning snowball fights or organized snowball fights. I've, I've shared my, my thoughts with New Yorkers.
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Megyn Kelly
He doesn't seem to care what happened to these cops. Evita.
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Katie Nolan
Well, it gives me a lot of PTSD from when I lived in Chicago during BLM, the Summer of Rage 2020. And you saw the cops just continuously harassed, continuously treated like absolute dirt, not supported by Mayor Lori Lightfoot, who was in charge at the time. And they quit en masse. And when they quit en masse, the entire city became far less safe. It became a hellscape. I had classmates of mine at the University of Chicago literally die. They were shot on public transit, kids pistol whipped on their way to and from class, robbed. I mean, it was horrific. So what you're asking for is a deeply unsafe New York City. When you demoralize cops in the way Mamdani is, is he's telling them, I'm not on your side, I don't have your back when he does, does nothing. As they're being brazenly attacked by radical leftists. And I feel like there's something really, I think overall demoralizing about a mom Dhami New York about a left wing New York. I mean, we take down statues of Teddy Roosevelt, we erect 12 foot statues of overweight black women in Times Square. We had trash on the street. Everything smells like weed. Everything smells like urine. It feels intense, intentional. It feels purposely humiliating and demoralizing.
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Megyn Kelly
And here is, take a look at the man who just did get arrested for this, because the cops are not listening to Zoran Mamdani. They are arresting the people who did this. And they found this guy, Guzman Kolibali, 27, for assault. And look at the size of this person. This is a grown ass man. This is not a quote kid Zoran. And somebody ought to throw one of these things at him, see how he likes it if he doesn't consider it an assault. Just kidding. They should. I shouldn't do that. But I just, it's like easy for him to say, oh, it's just kids throwing snowballs. And these guys are in the ER getting their wounds treated. Okay, we've got to talk about Fresno, California, which is jumped the shark. Running for city council out there. Someone by the name of Renee Campos, no relation, who is a registered sex offender. Listen to this. 61. I believe Fresno deserves leaders that are
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Tucker Carlson
honest from the very beginning, not the end.
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Megyn Kelly
So going into this, I am putting my life out there. I've been given the chance to rehabilitate through the courts and back into the system. Let's choose somebody outside the box, somebody who knows the system from inside out. Because me, I've experienced the laws that we are trying to reform. Right now. He's outside the box. All right. Amala.
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Amala Epanobi
Yeah, I think we can go in other directions if we're looking for outside the box city council members. I would not be voting or supporting in this direction. It's kind of outlandish. But we're having a lot of conversations right now about maps, minor attracted persons, and calling things like pedophilia disorder rather than a crime. So I'm not at all surprised that a place like Fresno, California would have an individual like this trying to vie for a position in city council. At the very least, I guess at least they're being open about their registry on the sex offender list so that we can avoid.
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, he, he, he was charged with being in possession of child sex abuse material in 2018. Evita. I mean, this is a few years ago. He was looking at child pornography.
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Katie Nolan
Well, I think this is, I mean, the left does this all the time. I, There was a while ago that Vice did a documentary on sex offenders. And they. One of the journalists who actually was trying to say, oh, look, they're not so bad, they're just attracted persons. She ended up actually being harassed by one of these sex offenders who sent her a nude photo. So, I mean, this is just, this is, this is classic left wing behavior and it's very dumb. And I hope that they elect him because then they'll see what it's like.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God. I mean, I'd like to think that even in the People's Republic of California, they're going to say no to a registered sex offender. I mean, good luck. Like, you elevate somebody like this, and then before you know it, they use that position. Position. Because let's face it, you don't outgrow your desire to look at child sex abuse material. So that guy's, there's zero point in putting him in a position of power. I think it's a him, to be honest. Not entirely clear. Couldn't say. Amla, Evita, thank you both so much. Great to see you. And we'll, we'll see you again soon, I hope.
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Katie Nolan
Thanks, Meg.
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Megyn Kelly
All right, we're back tomorrow with Mike Benz for the first time on the show. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda, and no fear.
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Katie Nolan
Hey there, it's Katie Nolan, host of Casuals, the sports podcast where we don't care how much you know about sports. We're just happy that you're here. Every week, I hang out with some of my good friends to discuss the biggest stories across sports and entertainment, but in a way that's, like, fun and not boring. Want to know Sue Bird's favorite Diana Taurasi story? Or how heavy the Larry o' Brien tried trophy is? Or even what baseball team is right for you based on your moon sign we got you. Listen to Casuals every Tuesday and Thursday on the Sirius XM app or wherever you get your podcasts.
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Megyn Kelly
Bye. So good, so good, so good.
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