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Vance and Erika Shine at TP, Kamala Whiffs, and Turning NJ Red, with Allie Beth Stuckey and Jack Ciattarelli | Ep. 1183
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Megyn Kelly
If you could hear love, what would it sound like? Son, can we talk about your drinking? Yeah, Dad, I think we should. Helping those closest to you think about their excessive drinking. Maybe that's what love sounds like. More@rethinkthedrink.com an OHA initiative. Welcome back to Listen to youo Heart.
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Jack Ciattarelli
I'm Jerry.
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Megyn Kelly
And I'm Jerry's heart.
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Mark Halperin
Today's topic, Repatha Evolocumab heart.
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Megyn Kelly
Why'd you pick this one?
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Jack Ciattarelli
Well, Jerry, for people who have had.
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Megyn Kelly
A heart attack like us, diet and exercise might not be enough to lower.
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Jack Ciattarelli
The risk of another one.
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Megyn Kelly
Okay.
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Jack Ciattarelli
To help know if we're at risk.
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Megyn Kelly
We should be getting our LDL C, our bad cholesterol checked, and talking to our doctor. I'm listening. And if it's still too high, Repatha can be added to a statin to lower our LDL C and our heart attack risk. Hmm. Guess it's time to ask about Repatha.
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Mark Halperin
Do not take Repatha if you're allergic to it. Serious allergic reactions can occur. Get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing or swallowing. Swelling of the face, lips, tongue, throat or arms. Common side effects include runny nose, sore throat, common cold symptoms, flu or flu like symptoms, back pain, high blood sugar and redness, pain or bruising at the injection site.
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Megyn Kelly
Listen to your heart. Ask your doctor about Repatha. Learn more@repatha.com or call 1-844-repatha welcome to.
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Mark Halperin
The Megyn Kelly show live on Sirius XM channel 111 every weekday at noon East. Hey, everyone, I'm Megyn Kelly. Welcome to the Megyn Kelly show and Happy Thursday. We have a packed show for you today. The GOP candidate for governor of New Jersey who might just pull this thing out, Jack Cittarelli will be here later. I mean, could we actually get a Republican governor for the People's Republic of New Jersey? I know it wasn't that long ago that we had Chris Christie, but like it seems like forever ago, they. Their current governor, Phil Murphy just signed a bill into law allowing abortion on demand through all nine months of pregnancy, all nine months up until the day before the baby's born. Could the state that backed that guy now back a Republican? Maybe they're doing it in response to his radicalism on things as basic as third trimester abortions. It's barbaric. We're going to talk about it with Jack Ciarelli when he joins us live. And also later in the show, Ali Beth Stuckey will be here. She's great. She's amazing, especially on issues involving women and faith. So we'll run that by her. But I want to start with a couple of announcements first, as you may know, Sirius XM Triumph Channel 111 is changing on Tuesday of next week, Election Day, over to the Megyn Kelly Channel. Triumph will continue on. Uh, I think they haven't totally settled on the call numbers for the new Triumph, but they have settled. I don't know. At first I thought it was 1:23. Now Steve's telling me it's 1:25. But we're gonna. It's definitely going forward. So if you triumph like I do, you will, you will get that. And we will confirm what exactly the number is. But I think it's either 1, 2, 3 or 1, 2, 5. Anyway, we will stay here at channel 1 11. And it won't just be the Megyn Kelly show, of course. It's. It's a whole Megyn Kelly channel. So I want to give you a couple of announcements here. We are adding some of our friends as part of our lineup. We announced already that Jesse Kelly was going to be joining the channel live at 6pm Eastern each weeknight. Love that. Everybody needs a little red meat when it comes to dinner time. And I can also now announce that our friends from the Real Clear Politics podcast on Sirius XM will be moving over to join yours truly right here on the Megyn Kelly Channel. Now, they're going to be doing the show live right on this program on this channel, which they don't do. Okay, so you're going to hear the guys from rcp, Tom Bevin, Carl Cannon and Andrew Walworth now bringing their news and analysis to serve as the lead in two to our show. They will be live every weekday at 11am Eastern. That's great because you can't get their podcast currently until the evening and by the time the evening rolls around, sometimes you're busy. Be great if we could have them live at 11, which now you will on our channel that starts on Wednesday of next week. Okay. We're gonna have many more announcements coming. The lineup is populating by the day, so we'll launch it next week with some great starts and then it will be dramatically filled in within the two months to follow. More announcements to come. Stay tuned. Okay? Oh, yes, Steve confirming now Triumph is going to be 1, 2, 3. That's easy to remember. So you can still get all of our favorites. Dr. Laura, Glenn Beck, Dave Ramsey on Triumph Channel 1, 2, 3. And you can get the Megyn Kelly channel right here. Triumph One channel 111 on Sirius. If you've ever Googled yourself, you know how many results contain your personal information. It's alarming, but it's not by chance. Your info is available. Your name, your address, your phone number, your financial info, your income, your legal, even your health history. It can be sold and shared publicly without your consent. It's such bs. 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What I want to start with is JD Vance appearing at the Charlie Kirk Turning Point event last night at the University of Mississippi. What an extraordinary evening. He was introduced by Erica Kirk and you know, the Vances have been so good to Erica and she's really been leaning on Usha, who's been a complete rock for her. I love the fact that Usha Vance is able to play this role for Erica. She's a sweet, smart, strong woman. She's completely changed JD's life. I met her back in 2017 when I first profiled him in depth for NBC and went deep on his family. His sister Lindsay, his Aunt Wee, his mama, and Usha, who sat with us when I interviewed J.D. for that long piece in which J.D. said he really, he felt like he projected used car salesmen when people like me told him he should run for national office. It's before he was even running for Senate. And, and anyway, theirs is a deep love story. They met at Yale Law School. Both brilliant, both brought very different things to the relationship. And among the gifts that Usha has is just a quiet strength just to be in her presence. You can see it, you have to be brilliant to wind up at Yale Law school and go on to clerk for the Chief justice of the United States like she did. She's truly gifted intellectually and I think she's know how they use that phrase of sound mind? I think she's really of sound mind. I mean, she's got like an especially sound mind and like I said, a calmness to her that I think Erica has found comforting. I saw Erica literally leaning on her at the Charlie Kirk Presidential Medal of Freedom Award ceremony a couple weeks ago at the White House. In any event, it's fitting. Erica's chosen her events post Charlie's death very carefully. And she pointed out last night that it was the seven week anniversary or mark since Charlie was killed. And you know how that is. Especially when you're close to somebody who dies. You, you count, you count it in days, weeks, months and eventually years. And she's still in the counting it in weeks phase of being a widow. So she flew cross country. She introduced J.D. vance at university of Mississippi and they both got a hero's welcome. Let me just show you the lines to get in. All right, Turning Point, put this out and you can see the people lining up. It's raining too, which really shows how badly they wanted to get in there. You know, it's like it's tough to ask people to stand in the line all day. They've got their ponchos, they've got their umbrellas. It seems to go for miles and miles and miles. Andrew Culvert, the, the, you know, the EP of Charlie's show was reporting online yesterday that half of the students at the University of Mississippi applied for tickets. They were free. But half, half of all students at the university tried to get into this thing. And then on top of that, another 13,000 adults and faculty and so on. So look at this. Just for listening audience. We're still showing the line. It's still going for all the time I've been talking. My God, there's no end to it. You can see the enthusiasm for Turning Point for our sitting vice president and of course for beautiful, sweet, sensitive Erica. Erica. There's video of her behind the stage and she's wearing for the listening audience jeans and a white freedom T shirt like Charlie had on when he died. And they did something. Turning Point is very sophisticated on its productions and clever in the use of its tape. And they did something that I'm sure they got her blessing for. They used Charlie's voice to introduce Erica to the stage, obviously from an earlier appearance of hers. Can we play that with the sound you guys do. We have. That.
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Megyn Kelly
Speaker is a very, very special speaker, and she has had a heroic last year. And I believe she's the best mom in the world. Truly the best mom in the world. She is hero and the love of my life. Join me in welcoming Erica Kirk.
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Mark Halperin
She's now walking out at the University of Mississippi. Last night, wow. Got tears in my eyes just watching that. She. You could see her just drop her arms to her side and take in the enormity of the crowd who had gathered there before her, truly, to honor her, to honor Charlie, to honor the things that Charlie was fighting for, which she's. She's so strong. Honestly, it's like seven weeks out is a short amount of time. And she has been forcing herself to do a few of these things just to keep now her organization going and to keep turning point on people's minds, which is what Charlie would have wanted. She spoke to the crowd before JD came out, and here's a little bit of that. Sat 6. Being the courageous generation that you are, stand up for the truth, defend life, love your family fearlessly. Love your spouse fearlessly. Love this country, defend her, defend her, and serve our God. And don't think that it's someone else's role to do it. You do it. You do it. Do it for Charlie. Do it for Charlie. Wow. I was standing room only in the auditorium. And you can feel the love that those students and others were sending to Erica Kirk. That. That was a good decision. You know, she should only be going to places that are loving right now. She used to stay off the Internet with the insane theories that are being kicked around. People are so harsh. They're. People are crazy. People are literally attacking her for seeming too together, you know, as if. And there's like, crazy theory. I don't want to get into them, but she should stay off the Internet and she should go to places like that where she can feel what's real. What's real. The love for Charlie, the love for her, the love for her family, the love for her Turning Point family, which she and Charlie helped build. I mean, she helped Charlie build it in the later years and take it next level and inspired him to take his own life next level. I don't know. It's. You know, she's coming to our tour, too. You know that, right? She's coming to Glendale, Arizona. It is all but sold out. I think we literally only have a couple tickets left. Forgive me if it's. If you get to the website and it's sold out because I last I look, it was like there was a smidge left. You can get that. You can try MeganKelly.com but that's a big, big auditorium. That's like a big arena. And it sold out like almost instantly, like as soon as we announced she was coming. And you can just feel the enthusiasm for her, for Charlie. Still. That's going to be the most powerful night of the tour. With respect to all my other guests who I love, I think they would probably concede this too. We're finishing off the tour in Glendale, Arizona with Erica. And this will be her first, you know, live on stage, sit down, talking about herself. She's giving one other interview to Fox and our pal Jesse Waters about Turning Point and Charlie. And that's good. That's good too. She should be doing what's right for Turning Point, but this one's going to be personal. And I don't know, I. It's weird to say I'm looking forward to it, but I am looking forward to it because I have a love for Erica Kirk that's like pretty profound. I feel the need to look after her and I feel like this is. I don't know, I just kind of feel like Charlie wants me to do this and I will do this and I, I will handle it right. And I think Erica will leave feeling better, feeling like some important things were said and some important things were shared. In any event, looking forward to that. She introduced Vice President J.D. vance, and when he got on the stage, take a listen to how the auditorium sounded here in Sat seven.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, Miss, I got a question. Are you ready?
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Mark Halperin
Hell yeah. Damn right, hottie toddy. Gosh almighty, who the hell are we? Hey, Flim flam bim bam. Ole Miss, by damn, it's a thing. Clearly he knew how to evoke the Ole Miss cheer and the students responded totally appropriately. He then took the Q and A and boy, oh boy, was that fun. He is so smooth. The way he handled himself, the way he interacted with these students. Had virtually every right wing publication today using the number 48. 48. 48. 48 got up there. 48 was great. Let's look at some of it. Here is one of the sound bites that's gone viral. SOT 8. Watch it. Pushing out policies that hurt us. And these policies are not even solving the problems. These policies are just creating chaos.
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Megyn Kelly
I can believe that the United States should, should lower its levels of immigration in the future while also respecting that there are people who have come here through immigration path, lawful immigration pathways that have contributed to the country. But just because one person or 10 people or 100 people came in legally and contributed to the, to the United States of America, does that mean that we're thereby committed to let in a million or 10 million or 100 million people a year in the future? No, that's not right. We cannot have. I'll go and finish. We cannot have an immigration raising her hand again where what was good for the country 50 or 60 years ago binds the country inevitably for the future. There's too many people who want to come to the United States of America. And my job as Vice President is not to look out for the interests of the whole world. It's to look out for the people of the United States.
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Mark Halperin
Now, rock star in the middle of the question, the woman raises her hand again. She's got a follow up. At one point he says, I think it was to her because he did allow like somebody to ask a multi pronged question. He was like, you know, let me see, I can condense the nine questions you just asked me. He was her. He's just, he's funny and he's very deft at maneuvering through these issues and condensing down like a lot of information into its most salient point and hitting it. It's from all the experience he's had, it's from his fearlessness and going on those Sunday shows with hostile media like there's not a, there's not a corner he won't go into. Unlike the left, he's used to getting cross examined by people who can't stand him. So answering a few questions from a couple of hostile students at University of Mississippi, not a problem here. He's asked about how his faith has helped him in his current job. Take a listen to Stop nine. Can you tell us how your faith helps you in your role as Vice president?
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Megyn Kelly
I grew up in a country where you just didn't hear political leaders talk about their faith. But the reason why I try to be the best husband I can be, the best father I can be, the reason why I care so much about all the issues that we're going to talk about is because I believe that I've been placed in this position for a brief period of time to do the most amount of good for God and for the country that I love so much. And I have two very important duties as Vice President, United States to the American people and to God. And that's the most important influence my faith has on me. Thank you.
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Mark Halperin
He talked about how he is hoping that at some point his wife Usha will convert to Christianity. And I think he said she's agnostic. I think that's what he said and forgive me if I've gotten that wrong. Pretty sure that's what he said and that he's hoping that soon she will convert to Christianity. Yeah, that's what he said. And, and that would be, that'd be pretty extraordinary. He said they're raising their children Christian. And then he also talked about how he grew up in an area, you know, of course it was in Middletown, Ohio. He spent lots of his summers down in the Hala in Kentucky. And he talked about how where he grew up, people were faithful but they did not talk about their faith. It was not like the way Charlie did it, but talked about how Charlie really influenced him on that front and as he did with so many of us. You know, right now I'm on my fourth faith book that I've been reading just in the past couple of weeks thanks to Charlie. I think a lot of us are going through that. And thanks to all of you too, by the way, who many of you emailed into the show and emailed me meganagane kelly.com with your recommendations of faith based books that could help somebody like me who's looking for a window of entry. I mean, obviously I'm Catholic, but I don't, I don't know the Bible, I don't know scripture. I certainly can't quote it the way Charlie could. And I have been having questions about faith given everything that's been going on with the annulment process that I'm pursuing on my first marriage. I think you guys have heard that story. So in any event, he can relate from the sound of it. Maybe Usha can relate from the sound of it and maybe some of you guys can relate too. So good for him for taking that on. The question of what we're doing with our National Guard in US cities came up and just this was an interesting answer because it kind of got to, I think overall in my view also maybe some of the lawfare, it was basically, should we be more careful when we Republicans are in charge, understanding that we won't always be and that when Democrat rule returns, some of these same tactics are going to get turned around on us. That's basically where I think this questioner was going. So take a listen to the question, but listen most importantly to how JD answers it. You guys have sent the military into Washington D.C. and a few other cities that I can't think of off the Top of my head. Which first off, they've had wonderful results.
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Megyn Kelly
Like no one.
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Mark Halperin
Yeah, no one can deny the results of that.
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Megyn Kelly
That's, it's wonderful.
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Mark Halperin
Some might even say the greatest. Well, it's not necessarily something you did wrong, but it's what could someone else do wrong? Let's say we get a complete tyrant in office and let's say we're having, let's say Turning Point USA is having a huge protest against, you know, something really bad that we don't like. And let's say he's a president is saying that it's getting violent. How can we prevent someone from abusing that power?
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Megyn Kelly
Here's something that I want conservatives, I want every conservative to remember. It's an important part of my entire political philosophy is we cannot be afraid to do something because the left might do it in the future. The left is already going to do it, regardless of whether we do it. That is, that is the takeaway of the last 40 years. What I'm worried about, frankly, is what the far left already did with American law enforcement. And that is the thing that we have to prevent against. And the answer to that question is you make sure the people who did it face penalties for using the federal power against American citizens.
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Mark Halperin
Mm, right on. And that's what's happening. That's what's happening. I mean, they're going through all these old files and if it's, if it's beyond the point where a crime could be charged, they're just outing them to the media, you know, and if it's something that's not a crime but a scandal, they're outing it to the media. And if it's something that actually is a crime, like John Bolton allegedly sending classified documents to himself and his wife and his daughter without clearance, they're charging it. And some of the worst actors obviously are getting charged for other crimes that would not clearly have been charged. But for the fact that they charged Trump with made up crimes, like Tish James, she's at least getting charged with a real crime. Whether she did it, she'll have her day in court to prove one way or the other. But I mean, no one's disputing that charge would not normally be brought against her. It was brought because she made several years of Trump's life a living hell where she tried to steal his business from him over bullshit, made up charges involving alleged bank fraud that he did not commit. I mean, it's just so obvious. All the banks said he paid us back with interest. We're delighted to do business with him. And she said, no, there, there's some inherent harm. And just you having gotten these interest rates for some time. Well, now she's dealing with interest rates and accusations that she got some sort of a benefit. Whether somebody was actually harmed or not, it's the turning of the tables. Fine with it. I'm totally fine with it. And if she's not guilty, legally, we'll hear that from a judge or a jury. Fine. But I like the fact that he's standing behind it and he's not apologetic about it because he's exactly right. They. They are going to do what they are going to do. We saw that during the Biden administration. How many times do we have to learn the lesson that they will be absolutely ruthless when in power? Absolutely ruthless. And the only question is whether Republicans are in power. They are going to try to hold those ruthless people to account. That's what's happening right now. So good for him for understanding that and understanding, you know, what's the point of having power if you're not gonna use it? You know, that's what you were elected to do. Clean up these cities, get rid of these illegals and restore some accountability to these disgusting offices that have been totally corrupted under Democrat rule like the doj, like the FBI. Finally, the issue of faith came back up and JD had more to say on. On the subject of faith in the public square. Take a listen to stop 10.
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Megyn Kelly
As much as I hope and pray that we can be a nation of Christians, the idea of a Christian nation scares me. So I'd like to hear your feedback on a pretty nuanced argument here that perhaps there should be a wall of separation, as at least one of our founders advocated for, between church and state at the national level. However, that line can and should get blurrier as we descend to the community level. If you go back to the First Amendment, it doesn't say separation of church and state. It says, congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion. But if you go back to the founding time, there were actually a number of states that had formally recognized churches. So there was the Anglican Church of Virginia. That was the official state church of Virginia. And yes, I do think that what happened is the Supreme Court interpreted congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion to effectively throw the church out of every public space at the federal, state and local level. I think it was a terrible mistake and we're still paying for the consequences of it today. But if I think this is your point, if you were to undo that. If you were to get back to a system actually meant by the founders where Congress is not setting up an established religion, but people in their local communities can kind of do whatever it is that they want to do, I think that would be a better system than what we have today. But I think the most important principle that we have got to remember is you do not. You do not have to completely kick God out of the public square, which is what we've done in modern America. It's not what the founders wanted. It's not good for the United States of America. And anybody who tells you it's required by the Constitution is lying to you.
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Mark Halperin
Amen. Religion was all over the public square when this country was founded. What do you see all over Our money and God we trust. Why is that there? The Ten Commandments were everywhere. Like it's. We've. We've deluded ourselves into believing that you can't have any mention of religion or that we're not actually a Christian nation. Which was kind of baked into his question. We are a Christian nation. We are. And our Constitution was set up based on foundational principles of Christianity, including the Ten Commandments. So there's nothing wrong with that. That's. That's fine. There are a lot of. Virtually every country in the Middle east is based on a different religion. Islam. Okay. That's. That's how they want to live. Great. That's not how we want to live. That's fine too. It's the. It's the radical left that has made us pull religion out of every corner of the public square. And thanks to some radical judges who have issued some rulings suggesting you can't have any reference to it. And we need to get back to that. We actually need more religion in the public square. We do. We need. We need more Christianity in the public square. That's the answer. That's the way out of this for everybody. More faith in the public square and in their lives and more connection for people and more dwarfing of oneself and understanding that there is something larger than you in this world that matters. There's a reason atheists and others push that out and have led us into being more and more godless. And I do think it's directly linked to those polls we talked about yesterday, where you've got between 20 and 30% of leftists who think political violence is acceptable, who think it's fine. And. And we saw that poll of Illinois primary voters in the Democrat party thinking 81% of them say Trump and MAGA are Nazis, 81%. So I do think those people need to get back in touch with God, with, with their faith and understand the roots of this country and what leads to happiness and what doesn't. A life of atheism and non belief and disconnection to anything other than one's navel has proven to be deeply problematic and dangerous. And we're, we're going down the wrong path. Okay, I want to keep going. Kamala Harris, she's finally subjected herself to a couple of mildly challenging interviews. And it's no coincidence that it happened overseas. Right? We showed you the one with the British journalist the other day. And now we have an Aussie who works for the Australian Broadcasting Corporation. Her name is Sarah Ferguson. And take a look at this exchange that happened with these two SOT 3. Wasn't Joe Biden then, to put it on him, wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task? I ran against Donald Trump for president and Donald Trump ran on a platform that was in large part, I believe, misrepresenting his intentions. Non responsive. I do believe that there are a fair number of people that voted for Donald Trump who believed him when he told them that his first priority on day one is going to be to bring down prices. And he didn't. And you combine that misrepresentation of intention with also what was at play in terms of massive amounts of mis and disinformation, forgive me. And a calendar in terms of the clock. I want to interrupt you because that is a world class pivot, but it is not the question that I asked you, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you. The question is about Joe Biden. Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president? In what regard? Please. Well, just in terms of that question. So you went on exactly what you like to ask. Be more specific. She asked him twice, was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position that put you in the position that made it almost impossible to win that race. He was not frail as President of the United States, but he had frailties. We all saw the debate. I do believe that Joe Biden had the capacity to be president of the United States. And she goes on to say, you know, maybe not the capacity to run for president. She tries to draw some distinction. Listening audience. You have to watch this clip back on YouTube. Go to 28 after the hour. She's looks dumbfounded she's truly stunned that she's being asked a difficult question. It is amazing. It's been like, on the theme of our week here on this show as we watch these dumbfounded Democrats, like, what are you doing? Like Karine Jean Pierre, you know, in the, in the interview with the New Yorker, like, they don't understand. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. And Kamala pretending. Ask a precise question. The problem is your question. The problem. The question was very, very simple. Wasn't Joe Biden, Wasn't his refusal to recognize his own frailties the reason that you faced a nearly impossible task? Then she answered an entirely different question, talked about how Donald Trump promised affordability and he didn't deliver it. She got interrupted and she said, again, that's, that's, that. That's a world class pivot. That's not the question I asked, which is about Joe Biden's failure to recognize his own frailties and what that did to you. The question is about Biden. Are you still reluctant to criticize the former president? In what regard? But in the exact regard I just told you twice now. Twice. Twice I talked about his failure to recognize his own frailties. That's literally the phrase the reporter used. In both of the questions, Kamala pretended she didn't understand. She did understand this one. She's not as dumb as Karine Jean Pierre, and she just pretended she didn't because she didn't want to answer it. Uh, and then in what regard, people, which is like, what? Huh? You can tell she's flustered. In, in terms of that question, what exactly would you like to ask? Be more specific. Okay, you know exactly what she's asking. You're stalling now for time because you're shocked. You've been asked appropriate, pointed question and you're being forced to answer it. And she asks it a third time. Was it Joe Biden's decision, his failure to recognize his own frailties in that position? That puts you in the position and made it almost impossible for you to win that race. He was not frail as President of the United States. Oh, my God. Amazing. That's where she landed. He wasn't frail. Well, here we are, all this time later. I mean, truly, it's going to be a year later next month that she lost, and she still can't admit the truth. Like the gaslighting is amazing. And speaking of gaslighting, we did a story on AM Update. I think it was yesterday morning. My mornings are blending together, talking about how all these People went in there and they pled the fifth, including Dr. Kevin O', Connor, President Joe Biden's personal physician. And the House Oversight Committee has now referred this all to the doj, saying, like, please investigate these people who took the Fifth on the. On what appears to be the greatest cover up in presidential history, that Joe Biden was incompetent and non compos mentis. And even his own physician appears to have been in on the COVID up. Please, please, look at him, Pam Bondi. Because he pled the Fifth when he came before us at House Oversight, and we were talking about Dr. Kevin O' Connor in the appease, and we pointed out the fact that he helped before Joe Biden had returned, had won president. It was like 2017, 18, 19, right in that timeframe there. So Trump was president, and he helped facilitate some business deal with a hospital group for Joe Biden's brother James. And so Jim Biden got this sweetheart deal where right after Dr. Kevin O' Connor hooked him up with this medical group, he got a loan from that group of $600,000. And that day, $200,000 arrived across the transom. And later that same day, $200,000 went from Jim Biden to Joe Biden. Okay. It all seemed very suspicious. And why was Dr. Kevin O' Connor recommending Jim Biden to do anything with a hospital group when the guy had zero experience in hospital administration? It spoke to the cozy, the overly familiar relationship that this doctor had with the Bidens from Jill to Jim to Joe, and raised the question of whether Dr. O' Connor received any sort of a kickback. Well, we didn't know the answer to that because what we did have was a denial from James Biden's lawyer that this doctor received any kickback. But we couldn't ask the doctor himself because, again, he pled the Fifth. Okay. And we went back actually to see who specifically it was Joe. It was the Biden spokesperson, Joe Biden, who said there was no kickback. We went back to see who that was, who who denied it. And it was a White House spokesperson named Ian Sams. And I remember thinking, I'm pretty sure that guy's lied to us many, many times. He's been on, you know, we've run clips of him many, many times where he was denying the mental acuity problems and so on. And it was very clear to me he was a liar. And he's in the news today. Why is he in the news today? Because he, too, had to give an interview to the Oversight Committee. And he was asked about how he allegedly knew that Joe Biden was a. Okay. Something he said publicly and apparently insisted was true to the House Oversight Committee. How did you know? How much time did you spend with him? Like, walk us through the two of your relationship and would you listen to this SOT one, how often would you.
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Megyn Kelly
Say that you interacted with the President in person? I interacted with him pretty infrequently. So weekly, monthly. What were we talking about? Very infrequent. I think I met with the President a handful of times during my tenure in the White House. Pulled a couple of quotes. Handful interview you did on msnbc. And one of the quotes says, when I deal with him, he is sharp. And being President Biden and he is asking tough questions.
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Jack Ciattarelli
Do you recall this?
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Megyn Kelly
Got to say, that doesn't look anything like the President that I know. When I deal with him, he's sharp. He's asking tough questions. That's the President Biden that so many of us experience every single day.
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Mark Halperin
Liar.
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Megyn Kelly
So this statement, the basis for this statement was your interactions somewhere between one and five times? Yes.
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Jack Ciattarelli
Okay.
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Megyn Kelly
Do you think that's a bit misleading? I think it was pretty direct and honest and said that when I do deal with him, he's, you know, sharp and he was asking incisive questions during.
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Mark Halperin
My meetings with them.
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Megyn Kelly
But you've dealt with him five times in 24 months. That's not exactly a large scope of knowledge on how he interacts with staff. You don't think it's missing some context? I don't. Do you think that statement suggests that you deal with it more than you did? I don't think so. I mean, I spoke about my own interactions with him. That's the President Biden that we experience every day.
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Mark Halperin
Every day. By the way, he goes on to admit that he only saw him in person twice. Twice in all those years. And he's running around on MSNBC saying he is sharp. He cross examines with questions. That's the Biden we see every day. You never saw him. You lied. You're a liar. It's obvious. Ian Sams, you disgraced yourself. Why didn't you just say, in my position, I'm low person on the totem pole and I don't get that much exposure to the President. But I will tell you, in the couple of times I've seen him, I give him an A plus. That would be honest spin. But instead you got caught in a lie and then you had to admit it and then you wouldn't confess to being out of context. At a minimum, those Republicans were being nice to you in the way they styled what you did on msnbc. And that is why MSNBC viewers in part were grossly misled about the state of the President. They have you to blame, you Kamala Harris, Karine Jean Pierre and Joe Biden and his family themselves. Plus these top aides like Mike Donilon who we talked about the other day, who admitted he had only not only $4 million in, in, in his pocket to get Biden reelected, but another 4 million promised to him if he could get him over the finish line. Okay, we're going to bring on Ellie Beth in a second, but I just want to make two more points, two more points before we do. One of the things that I've been thinking about today, because we are yesterday was a seven week mark on Charlie is the Kirk family. And there was a video that was shown online, Erica posted it, of their little girl who's three and they appear to be going by the Charlie the Turning Point HQ in Arizona. It's totally heartbreaking and I just, I. The reason I want to show it is because of the heartlessness of the left. You know, we're not, we're only dealing with people who are serial fabulists, to put it nicely for this guy, Ian Sams and Kamala Harris, but who really have lost their humanity as we've been covering on this show ever since Charlie died. The absolute inhumanity. And the people who, like Lucy Martinez who mocked shooting herself in the neck when the Charlie Kirk truck drove by her. No kings protest, who's still working in Chicago schools and all the others. She was, she's not alone. All the Halloween costumes, all the celebration of Charlie, you know, these fake costumes of like fake blood coming out of people's necks. It's disgusting. You remember this when you see those next time. Here's this little girl riding in a car past the Turning Point hq. She's singing her dad's name. She has no idea. She does not understand. She's too little to. And her little brother doesn't understand either, who is actually truly just a baby. So shame on those people. Shame on you, Jamie Lee Curtis, for taking back the sympathy you offered for him. Shame on you, Gavin Newsome, for trying to lie about how much your son admired him. Now that you've apparently received blowback from who knows whom on the left. Shame on you. It's not just the seven week one day mark since we lost Charlie. It also happens to be the four year mark since my dear Friends Allison and Tom Barklidge lost their son Blake. Blake died at age 17 from a heart attack on this day four years ago after contracting myocarditis. Here we are. This is Allison and Tom, and that's their daughter Lexi, who survived her brother, her big brother Blake. At our annual 4th of July party where we dress up like colonial figures, here's Blake gone too soon at age 17. The parents don't know. We talked all of it. We did a piece on Blake and we talked about the myocarditis. They don't know. He did have Covid, which can cause heart infection. He had received a double dose of the vaccine, as almost every teenage boy did, because those are the recommendations. Most places you couldn't even go to school. Most colleges he was in high school but couldn't even go unless you proved that you did it. And they don't know what caused the myocarditis exactly, or what led to it, but they know it caused a heart attack in someone they adored too soon. And as a result, they lost their son Blake, and Lexi lost her big brother, Blake. Here's a piece of the. Of the tribute we did to Blake a year or so after he died. What lessons has this taught you about why we're here? What your purpose is?
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Megyn Kelly
I mean, every time I'm hanging with my friends now, I like, I always.
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Jack Ciattarelli
Just take a second just to like.
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Megyn Kelly
Look around because I feel like when I used to hang out with them, with my friends, I wouldn't like live.
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Mark Halperin
In the moment, I guess you could say.
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Jack Ciattarelli
And it would go so fast.
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Megyn Kelly
And then it's over now, like we're all leaving for college, the hangouts before last few weeks. Like I just look around and just. I can enjoy it so much more.
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Mark Halperin
Clemson's man down going into this freshman year. Yeah, they lost a good one. Did.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
You?
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Mark Halperin
Oh, those are Blake's friends Kyle and Hayden, who were there when he collapsed. And they're still suffering. But I wanted to tell you the upshot. As we're thinking about Erica Kirk, and we're thinking about Erica and Charlie's two babes. And that is the Barclidges were determined. That's one of the reasons we profiled them, was because the mom and dad who are dear friends of ours, just refused to give up. They refused to let their lives be ruined, to. To subject their daughter Lexi to a life of non stop pain. They did turn their pain into purpose. And since then they've formed this foundation, Blake Gives Back, which is helping do screenings at hospitals. I'm sorry. At schools across the nation for cardiac irregularities. And they've saved innumerable lives with kids who had no idea that there was something wrong. But the EKGs that they've been offering found them. Found them. In one case, it was like one kid almost didn't go. He was like the last one in. He barely got the test. He had something else going on. Sure enough, he had an issue, and he got it addressed thanks to this Blake Gives Back foundation that they're now running in honor of their son, powered by their son and his memory. So they've. Tom, you may remember, he works at Johnson Johnson, and that wasn't for whatever it's worth, the vaccine that Blake got. But he. He works at jj, and he changed the bereavement policy there, which had only allowed for five days off in the loss of an immediate family member to now 30. 30 days off, which, of course, is what it should be. And they were. And JJ was very good about it, and, like, very. Has been very supportive of the Barclays. It's just. I'm just thinking about it, because in the initial stages here, and you're. When you're two months in, you're not. Most people can't even function, never mind. Think about. I mean, when we ran that tribute for Blake, Tom and Allison, they had. They hadn't formed Blake Gives Back. They hadn't done anything. I remember saying, like, you might want to consider, like, a foundation or something. But they were. It was like, you know, you're still dealing with your grief. So it's a couple things. Number one, four years later, they're on their feet. Lexi. Well, I'll tell you about her in a second. I. We talked about in the. In the piece, and I can barely tell the story without getting choked up, but Blake had wanted to go to either. He was on the fence between, I think, Clemson and Georgia, but he really liked Clemson. And he said, dad, I think I could get a scholarship to Clemson. He had really good grades. And Tom said, blake, if you get a scholarship to Clemson, you can go. And they. And they made a bet about whether Blake could do it. And then Blake died on October 30, 2021. And they called all the colleges to which Blake had applied. He was a senior in high school. It was a fall of his senior year, and they withdrew Blake's applications because they didn't want Blake to get the spot of some aspiring college attendee. And I guess Clemson didn't get the. The message because they mailed the package to Tom and Allison and Blake, and it was a huge envelope and they knew immediately what it was. And he had gotten into Clemson with the scholarship. It's like, of course, Tom, he, you know, Allison's more stoic as between them, she's, she cries privately. But Tom's got his emotions on his sleeve and, you know, to hear him tell the story, there wouldn't be a dry eye in the house. But their daughter Lexi was a couple years younger than Blake and now is an only child in the family is at Clemson now herself. And they go down and they visit with her and they go to the football games and they celebrate. And there is a way forward for families who are suffering. You know, we had, we had the dear family on yesterday that lost their son. He died by suicide. Coaxed into the act by chat GPT. They allege in a lawsuit that they are likely to win. In my view, they're still dealing with it. They're only six months into this. But there is a way forward for families like Erica's, like our family yesterday, like the Barclay's. And the Barclays are a great example of it, of how you do it with dignity and grace and you keep the loved one and their, their life and their, their name fresh in people's memories. And that way you keep them alive and that way you keep their memory alive. I'm so proud of them and how they've dealt with loss. If you want to see the piece, you can see it on our website, YouTube.com megan kelly and see for yourself how it is possible to deal with the pain of loss, especially as we go into the holiday season. Right. A lot of people feel it. My own sister passed a year after I did that piece on Blake. Little did I know when I was doing a piece on my dear friend's loss that I'd suffer a profound one of my own a year later. And that stuff can always come up this time of year. I always feel like Halloween is the kickoff to, you know, the true holiday season. We've got Thanksgiving, we've got Christmas, Hanukkah, you know, then you get the new year. It's just. It can bring up a lot for people. So check it out on our website. I don't know, Steve, is there a way of like, re upping it so people don't have to go searching down the website? Yeah, he said we'll put it on our homepage so you guys can check it out. So in any event, you can consider donating to Blake Gives Back. That's not why I raised this, but it's a great cause. We donate every year and help these screenings for kids. And they also help kids who just had heart surgeries and transplants go to summer camp so that they can have some time outdoors. Um, there's a number of causes that they support that are wonderful and, and, you know, just honestly the same. The lesson is always the same, which is hug your, your children. Hug your spouse. Be kind to your spouse. Ask your spouse today what you can do for them. Ask your sibling what you can do for them. Call them up, see how they are. You know, what do they say? Your parents go too soon, children come too late, but your siblings are there for the whole ride, or at least they should be. Okay, so that's my message for the day. I'm sorry if that felt like a downer, but I hope you took it a different way. I hope, I hope it inspires you to lean into the love in your life. We're back right after this with Ali Beth Stuckey. If you've experienced bloating or general gut discomfort at some point, you know that doctors tend to give the same advice. Eat slowly. Take a walk after meals. Steer clear of processed foods. But let me tell you about Cowboy Colostrum. Packed with proteins, natural growth factors, and antimicrobial peptides, Cowboy Colostrum can help strengthen your immune system and repair your gut lining, leading to less bloating and better digestive health. 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Megyn Kelly
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Jack Ciattarelli
Restrictions apply.
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Mark Halperin
It's finally here. All right, let's get this party started. Megyn Kelly Live on tour across America.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
I was we have to go. And then after what happened to Charlie, I'm like, we definitely have to go.
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Megyn Kelly
The best way to honor Charlie's legacy is to be out here, to be unafraid, to not back down. Stand firmly. Do not waver on the truth.
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Mark Halperin
Next stop, White Plains, Jacksonville, Miami and Atlanta. So go get your tickets right now before they sell out. MeganKelly.com presented by Y Refi and SiriusXM. Joining me now, Ali Beth Stuckey. She is the author of Toxic Empathy. Great title and great book. And she's host of Relatable with Ally. Beth Stuckey. Welcome back. Great to see you, Ally.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Thanks so much. Great to see you, Megan.
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Mark Halperin
Okay, so we have to kick it off with this disturbing news out of New Jersey and Colorado. Both states passing laws now making abortion available throughout the entire pregnancy all the way up to 40 weeks. And both states are now touting clinics that have opened or about to open. The one in Colorado is leaning in. They say, oh, we're going to draw the line at 34 weeks. 34. Now, not to make this personal, but I did ask Abby, my assistant who went into early labor on her first child. She had her child at 31 weeks and she's a beautiful, vibrant, awesome kid. 31. They are talking about killing babies at 34 weeks and beyond in Colorado and New Jersey. They've lost their ever loving minds. Ali Beth, what do you make of it.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Oh my goodness. Well, let me preempt what I know is a rebuttal that a lot of pro choicers say. You've got a lot of reasonable, moderate people in your audience who might be thinking, well, Megan, they only have abortions at 34 weeks or in the third trimester because there's something wrong with the mother. They've got to save the mother's life or there's something wrong with the child. Look, the reality is, and this is not just me, this is an ob GYN perspective that I've heard many times. There is never a reason at that point in the pregnancy to kill the baby to save the mother. If the mother has to deliver, that does happen, she has preeclampsia or something like that. You deliver the child, there is no reason to kill the child first. And look, if a child has some kind of fatal fetal anomaly diagnosis, then you still care for the child. I don't believe that a diagnosis of special needs should justify the murder of a human being in or outside of the womb. There really is no justification for this whatsoever.
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Mark Halperin
The one in Colorado is opening because the one they had been using, called the Boulder Abortion Clinic just closed its doors after Dr. Warren Hearn retired following 50 years of performing late term abortions in Boulder. And the Washington Times reporting that at least half of his late term clients had no diagnosis of severe fetal abnormalities. Not a one, at least half, they say as follows. The Atlantic did an article on this in 2023, quote, the reason doesn't really matter to Hearn. Hearn believes the viability of fetus is determined not by gestational age but but by a woman's willingness to carry it. And so now this new clinic is going to become one of an estimated five US clinics offering abortions up to 34 weeks of gestation, which is 10 weeks after fetal viability, where that child can live on its own outside of the womb. It's so disgusting, it's amazing to me. Colorado has no limits whatsoever. And one pro life woman posted this video. Ali, She's. Her name is Lydia Taylor Davis and she's part of Students for Life. She called one of these abortion clinics, I don't know which one, just to see what they would say if she was like inquiring about getting an abortion at 34 weeks. A warning to the audience. This is disturbing. Here it is. I am looking to have an abortion.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
How far? Long run.
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Mark Halperin
I'm 34 right now. My boyfriend is kind of out of the picture now, so I don't really have any support.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
It's a four to five day procedure. A needle is inserted through the abdomen and into the fetal heart. Lidocaine is injected and that will completely numb the fetus. After that, we inject a medication called digoxin and another medication called kcl, which will slow and then stop the fetal heartbeat. And then we'll give you a medication called misoprostol. Misoprostol will sort of induce contraction, will assist you in sort of pushing in the induction, and then remove all of the products of conception. You're definitely going to feel discomfort and cramping, but we do give you fentanyl and versed during the procedure. We specialize in later trimester care. Our doctor is very well versed in what he's doing and he's very good.
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Mark Halperin
So I'm not like a rare situation. Y' all help women this late in pregnancy? All the time. All the time. Wow. What struck, what jumped out at me there, Ali Beth, was the products of conception will make sure the products of conception are out of you.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Yes. They have to euphemize before they euthanize this child because they know that saying what they're doing, killing this child just isn't good pr. It's not good messaging. So they've had to dehumanize what a baby in the womb is. So much so that people will be calloused when they hear about abortion. And I just want to decode something there. That woman on the other end, she said we inject something called kcl. KCL stands for potassium chloride. Potassium chloride is the same chemical combination that is used in the lethal injection of death row inmates to stop their heart. However, of course, how that is conducted on death row inmates is actually a lot more merciful because they are put to sleep before this. But for a child that is injected to the heart, into the heart of the baby, this wiggling living human being injected into their heart to force cardiac arrest, to force a painful heart attack in this baby. And then they are delivered and dismembered and discarded like toxic waste. That is what is happening in the second and third trimester abortions that they're acting like is no big deal, just like a root canal.
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Mark Halperin
Oh my God. I mean, I hate to even ask this, but what, what do they do with the remains of 34 week old babies who are killed like that by their own mothers? Like there's no burial, there's no. They're not going to a cemetery. I mean, are, are they treated like medical waste?
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Ali Beth Stuckey
They're treated like medical waste or in some cases, from what we've seen from investigations over the years, they are donated to science. We know this. Actually the NIH has talked about funding that kind of research before. And they'll say, oh, you know, it's an elective abortion, so it's no big deal. But of course there probably is some kind monetary incentive there. I don't think we really truly know just how dark this industry is. I mean, if you're willing to kill a child, I don't think that you have any moral limits that would stop you from profiting off of that.
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Mark Halperin
It's amazing. Like the procedure we just discussed and the potassium chloride injected into the baby's heart by its mother, by his or her own mother. It's just so dark when you actually frame it in real terms, which you're never afraid to do. You've been so good on this issue. You actually went on that show surrounded, which Charlie went on. Ben Shapiro's gone on. They asked me to go on there. I was like, I'm not going on there. That's crazy talk. I'm not doing it. So I hats off to you for taking on the challenge. You're very brave and you're an expert on this. Like you're so good on this issue and you took on 20 young people who were very pro choice. And here's a little bit of how that went in SOP 15.
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Megyn Kelly
When the majority of abortions happen, which is in the first six weeks of pregnancy, that fetus has not developed pain receptors. That doesn't happen until maybe at the earliest 10 weeks. Ali.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
So are you saying that murder, say.
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Megyn Kelly
22 to 24 weeks, is killing only wrong?
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Ali Beth Stuckey
If someone can feel pain, it's wrong.
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Megyn Kelly
For you to characterize it as violent.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
It is violent.
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Megyn Kelly
Painful when it's not.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
It is violent. There are a lot of people who are murdered who can't feel it. Are you saying that that murder is justified because they can't feel it?
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Megyn Kelly
No, we're talking about abortion, Allie. We're not talking about something else. We're talking about abortion. Abortion is health care for women who need it, who have unwanted pregnancies, 12 year old girls who have been raped, who have experienced incest.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Allie, that's less than 1% of all abortions. If I said to you, okay, fine, we will only allow, which this is not my position, but if I said we will only allow abortion in those 1% of cases in which it's rape or incest, would you agree with me to Ban the rest of abortions.
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Megyn Kelly
The denial. 99% of abortion health care to women is 100% harmful to the woman who. Absolutely.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Abortion is 100% harmful to the child.
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Mark Halperin
Well done. So not to college students in that instance, but progressives who are opposed to you on the issue. And that guy was. I don't know what that guy's stake in it was, but boy, oh, boy, he really. He really wanted those babies killed. Yes.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
He was very worked up. That was such an experience. It was actually the day before Charlie's memorial. I was working on very little sleep. I was sad. There was so much stress, and I wanted to cancel. But one of the last conversations that Charlie and I had was about jubilee. He loved jubilee. He loved debating, as we all know. He was the best at it. And he had sent me probably 40 texts in a row saying, this is what you need to do. This is how you need to go in there. This is the strategy. And I really carried that with me. I really did. And I felt like, of course, I'm trying to do this for the glory of God. I'm trying to do this for conservatives and Christians. But I really felt like, also, I want to do this for Charlie because I know that if he were here, he would say, you cannot cancel this. You have to go in there. You have to go in the lion's den. So, yeah, I was very, very grateful. And actually, the first person who sat down, they didn't show this in the final cut, but he was so sweet. He sat down and he said, I am so sorry about your friend Charlie. And that completely changed the tone of the entire debate. And, yeah, it really did kind of just endear me to them and made it easier to debate them in some way.
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Mark Halperin
That's great. That's amazing. Can I ask you something, Ali? Because you've been so good on your faith, you're just like Charlie in that regard. You could quote scripture with the best of them. What have you been doing to get through, like, the grief around Charlie's death? Like, what do you turn to? Does it ever cause you to question your faith? Like, how have you been experiencing these last seven weeks?
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Yeah, gosh. You know, the last time I was on was the day that Charlie was murdered. I was on that morning talking about what I thought would be the saddest story of the day, and that's Irina Zaruska. I had already. All three of us, you, me, and Megan Basham, had all been on the verge of tears, if not actively crying, watching this terrible footage. I finished Our interview. And I got in the car to go to the doctor's appointment and I got a text from my publicist saying, Charlie Kirk has been shot. And I just thought, okay, that's not, that's not, that's not real. She heard that. Or like he was shot in the arm or something crazy, which is obviously terrible. But I called our mutual friend, and as soon as he picked up the phone, he wasn't even talking, he was crying. And I was like, oh, okay, this is real. And of course I turned around, broke down. My husband and I, who worked together, so we were both home, just completely lost it, praying, and of course, everything that everyone was doing, and I was just. I can't even imagine how Erica felt infinity times more than you and I felt. But, man, I've just been so distraught in so many ways. Of course it's gotten better for us, those of us who are more removed, but there are still days where it just catches me in my throat or it hits me in the gut and I just find myself on the verge of tears. When you were playing that video of his daughter saying, daddy, Charlie Kirk, I mean, I can't even say it, not only because of how sad that is for them, but also because, you know, I've got a six, four and two year old daughters myself, and it's like their voice, it sounds like them. And I'm just. I'm just so sad and so devastated. And you asked if it makes me doubt. I mean, of course there are times that I question, like, why? Why him? Or why this? Why now? Why would you allow this to happen? And then I go to the memorial and I saw you there very briefly, and I don't know about you, but I felt, maybe more tangibly than I've ever felt, like just the presence of the Holy Spirit. There was this moment when the worship team was playing and it was just instrumental, which I learned was totally spontaneous. And everyone started holding up their Charlie Kirk signs that said, send me, I'll go, or here I am, send me, which is a Bible verse from Isaiah. And I just. It felt like this out of body, spirit, spiritual experience. And while this is not always a satisfying answer because it's still so tragic and seemingly premature and sad, I'm like, oh, okay, God is doing something. I don't know exactly what it is, but I know that Bible sales are up. I know that people are going back to church. I know that I personally have had more opportunities to share the gospel than I maybe ever have in my entire life. Just in the past few weeks, more questions from people who say, I used to hate you. I used to hate Charlie's message, but now I want to know what he died for. And so it doesn't make it any less sad. And even Jesus wept when his friend Lazarus died. But I do know that God is in the business of redemption, that he brings beauty out of ashes, that he brings light into darkness and hope when it seems like we have every reason to despair. And so I know he's doing something bigger and better than what I would do or what I can see. And that is faith. Faith is the assurance of things hoped for. It's the confidence in the things that we cannot see. He doesn't spell it out for us. He doesn't show us what it's going to look like. But I do see now clearly that Charlie, he had to work as hard as he did and get up as early as he did and work as many days as he did, because God knew that he would die at 31. So he had a limited time to get it all done. That's not what all of us are called to, but that's the pace that he had to go on his race because he was going to die early. And thank the Lord he finished really well.
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Mark Halperin
Did you see the text messages that Candace Owens posted between her and Charlie from. I think it. I think she said it was 2018, so it was, you know, a few years back, but they were chilling because they showed that Charlie knew he was likely to die early. Like he was openly texting with her back then, that he has nightmares about how it's going to end. Like he, he, he felt pretty sure he knew how it was going to end. I'm trying to see if I have it on my phone because I think I, I grabbed it. I screen grabbed it because I was so like, oh, my God, this is shocking.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
I did see that. That is extremely chilling.
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Mark Halperin
Oh, here I have it. Stand by. Okay. He wrote for the listening audience. This is per Candace in a text exchange she posted, he writes, you are going to be the Iron Kanye. You are going to be the Iron lady of America. I see it so freaking clearly. I might be Moses, though. I might not see this whole thing through. Lmao. If that is the case, be my David. She wrote, dude, you don't even realize your power yet. He responded, if I tell you the true prophecy, I know in my gut it's really sad, but I hope it's wrong. And then he went on to say as follows. Anyway, I'm not Sure. If I will live to see the end of this revolution, I believe you were the peace God meant me to meet that will finish the fight. Since the beginning of Turning Point usa, I knew in my gut that I might get wiped out at any time. I cannot explain it, but I dream about it all the time. Like, all the time. Anyway, that's depressing. Conversation for another time, right? He says, and then he finally says, I'm not really afraid of it, but I'm just telling you what I know to be true. That is, I. I'd never heard Charlie talk like that. I didn't realize he knew, like, I knew he was coming under increasing security threats, Ali.
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Megyn Kelly
But.
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Mark Halperin
But that really does show you, frankly, how brave he was and also how insane the left has gotten for a long, long time.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Yeah. And you know, it kind of dispels. I think a lot of the rumors are innuendo that is, have surrounded him and the cause of his death over the last few months because we've been hearing, oh, it was only in the last few months that Charlie started feeling this pressure. And he felt like, oh, my gosh, they're going to hurt me. Well, this goes to show, actually, he felt that seven years ago. And I. I don't know why he would have had, you know, that intuition, except for maybe God at least was telling him, hey, we got. We got things to do, okay, you don't have that much time. I mean, that's really haunting. I don't think any of us would like to hear that message. But what a man that Charlie was, that instead of saying, okay, I'm out. That's, I think, what most of us would do if we had this premonition that we are going to be slaughtered. Most of us would stop talking. Most of us would get out of the fight and say, I'm gonna go be an accountant. I'm gonna stay home. He could have done that. He was so smart. He could have made a lot of money in business doing whatever he wanted to, but he knew as well as a finite human good that, okay, I think I'm gonna die for this. And he went even harder. Like, he went even more. He went into the lion's den more often. I mean, that is the kind of courage that I think most of us don't have. And it kind of faith in God that, okay, I don't know what this looks like, but I'm just gonna follow you. Even though it's really scary, it actually reminds me of Jesus. But. And I'm not saying that Charlie Kirk is Jesus. I'm just saying this reminds me of when Jesus is about to go to the cross and he knows what's about to happen, and he's in the garden of Gethsemane, and he says, jesus, who was God, he says, father, please take this cup from me. Like, I don't want it. I don't want to suffer in this way yet. Not my will, but your will be done. And again, Charlie is not the Savior, but all of us as Christians are called to do that. Lord, I don't know what this looks like, but you're calling me to do it, and I'm just going to obey you and trust you. And he knew, like Charlie. Charlie knew that the cost was worth it. And that's amazing.
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Mark Halperin
Yeah, it really is extraordinary. All great points. Not everyone shares this commitment to faith. Some people find it worthy of mocking. And that leads me to former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is in the news today for the following soundbite. She's such an odd, strange, nasty person. Here is Sat 13. Do you agree with, apparently, a big swath of Americans, according to our last election, that Democrats pushed the country too far to the left, specifically on cultural issues? No, I don't agree with that at all. I think that we are a reflection of our country. We are a beautiful, diverse country, and if they find that offensive with their DEI initiatives and they want to sell it as we're also left, it's ridiculous. They're undermining our culture. Look, there are certain people in the country who don't want to see. They don't want to see women, lgbtq, people of color, immigrants taking their place in anything. And that's just the way it is. That's really. That's not America's problem. So we respect everybody in our country. So for them to be saying what they're saying about people is like, and you're people of faith. You're people of faith. You go to church on Sunday and pray in church on Sunday and pray on people the rest of the week. What is this? She slipped into a little fake Southern accent there. You're gonna pray on Sunday. And then what is it, you people of faith? She. Okay. Your thoughts on her not challenging the faithfulness of those on the right who she thinks just want to get rid of people who don't look like them.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Look, if Democrats represented America, those are her words, as a quote, then they would have won the election. Then they wouldn't have had a problem winning the election because they would have had the majority of the vote. But they didn't, they didn't just lose the electoral vote, they lost the popular vote too. So that means you don't represent the values of most of America. Maybe there is a tiny sliver percent percentage of people who hate all of those categories that she just listed. They're not enough to win an election. I don't even think they're enough to influence an election. So this is what the Internet calls a cope. She is coping instead of being self aware and saying, how can we win the next election, how can we change, how can we moderate? She's not even attempting to do that.
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Mark Halperin
Right. And she's basically ignoring. The question was about polls that have just come out showing that the Democrat party has realized that it's gone too far to the left. And Democrats think in particular on immigration crime, like this massive survey that they did of tens of thousands of Democrats that they've gone too far left in particular on immigration and on crime, but also on social issues. So the report is basically saying, do you agree? And she manages to twist it into a right. Right wing people are threatened by black and brown people and anyone who doesn't look like them while lying about their faith. Okay, okay. So that this is a woman who, you know, very much favors abortion and is going to church and taking communion. Okay. All right. Right. I don't think she should be our teacher on matters of faith. Okay, let's keep going because I've got to ask you about Glamour. Glamour uk, it's a women's magazine and they are presenting their Women of the Year awards. And I realize no one really cares what Glamour. Thanks. But this one's so egregious, it's worthy of a mention on the COVID of Glamour UK is not. Well, I'll show you the COVID for the listening audience. We have nine people here who look like women, sort of in skimpy little shirts that read something about the dolls. And it says Protect the Dolls. Protect the dolls. And it's not like, see if you can find the trans person in here. They're all trans. All nine of these people are men pretending to be women. And the COVID literally reads Women of the Year. And then they go through and do interviews with these women who are, I, I guess, fine with the Protect the dolls slogan. One of them objected, but everybody else seemed fine with it. Here's one. Munya, she's a model in London. He. He is a model in London. There's a level of privilege whiteness provides for dark skinned black people, including. Oh, then he says for dark skinned black people, including in fashion, it's also harder for us to access the opportunities than our white counterparts. So this guy's got it all going on. I'm black. I'm a man pretending to be a woman, and I object to white privilege and also women privilege, which I want to have but can't. Then there's. There's another one, Belle Priestley, who says one big thing you would really like to see change for, quote, trans women. Bell would like the following to change. I'd love the narrative to be changed around dating us, particularly for guys. It's not a crime to fancy trans women, meaning men. It's not a negative thing. The stigma makes our lives hell. That, like, straight white guys don't want to go to bed with these people. And here's the last one. I'll read to you. This person goes by Maya Memmi, who's a DJ and musician, London, and says the following. I think people just need to understand not only are we human, most of us are badder than everyone else. Put some respect on it. I look better than you. I dress better than you. I smell better than you. Please learn that and understand that one of Glamour's potential quote, women of the year thoughts on that?
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Yeah, that's definitely a woman. I want to share a bathroom with my daughters. Sounds lovely. Okay. Gosh, I've just got so many thoughts on this. So a doll is a fake woman. Are they trying to be on the nose, like, protect the dolls? Are they like a fake woman? Like a doll? I'm just not totally sure what the positive PR messaging is surrounding that. I just find this very disturbing. You know, the UK has made some really good advances and recognizing that, you know, things like puberty blockers are dangerous for children, they're dangerous for everyone, should not be given to adolescents. And yet this media company is hoisting up this absolute delusion that a man can be born in the wrong body and can be a woman by declaration, and that we should submit to that. That women should submit to no man except for the man who puts himself in a skirt and comes into my bathroom. No, thank you.
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Mark Halperin
Okay. That leads me last, but certainly not least to Sydney Sweeney, who is all woman, real woman, actual woman, and absolutely stunning. So she was on the red carpet. What was she on the red carpet for? I can't remember what she was doing there, but she was on the red carpet last night and she decided to show off her number one asset, which, contrary to the American Eagle Jeans ad, is not really? Her jeans. It's her enormous breasts which are spectacular. No one would take that away from her. But controversial opinion, Allie. I object to this. I disapprove of the dress she wore because it's completely see through. You can see her entire, like, nipples. She reminded me of Kim Kardashian, you know, who overshares and then takes away, like, the thing that is the sexiest, which is, like, every guy's hoping to be the one who actually sees them for real and leaving a little to the imagination. Now, I know this is being universally celebrated online, but I have to say, even though Sydney Sweeney fan love the jeans campaign, I thought this was a rare misstep. Your thoughts?
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Yeah, I mean, she's absolutely beautiful. And no one, no one at all is trying to deny that. But, I mean, I am definitely pro modesty. It's not that I'm pro burka, but I think that we should do everything we can to, like, draw the eyes to the beauty of the face. There's nothing wrong with a womanly figure. I think that God made it and it is beautiful, and there's a way to dress that with dignity and respect. But I feel like we could draw the line at Ariola. Like, I don't know. Like, I just feel like may draw.
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Mark Halperin
The line at Ariola. That should be the rule.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Make T shirts, Megan. Sell them in your merch shop, please.
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Mark Halperin
So walk me through this because I actually am curious. We've seen this as a growing trend among these Hollywood celebrities, and it's always a very beautiful woman. I will say, unlike going to the beaches of France where the nude people are always gross old men, the women who take it all off for these photo shoots in America do tend to have the rocket bodies. And I get it. Like, was it that Irina shank or whatever? I don't want to wrongfully disparage the model who was, like, walking across the hotel lobby at Cannes, France in nothing by saying the wrong one. But we've seen. We've seen this. Then the Kanye wife pictures. Bianca Censori showing up literally naked at the Grammys more and more. Lauren Sanchez going out in, like, a outfit that's just pure lace, just strategically covering only a couple of things. Why? Why did these otherwise stunning women, who would get plenty of attention just by wearing, like, a great, a well styled dress and having their hair and makeup, you know, done right, why do they feel the need to take it here?
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Ali Beth Stuckey
I think there are so many answers for this. I think maybe on an individual level, it's probably as Superficial as just liking the attention, liking how they look in the mirror, knowing that they are going to be written positively about. And maybe Sydney Sweeney has just been like, okay, I'm going to be a lightning rod and I'm going to cause controversy. Maybe her PR people have decided that that's a good thing. On a macro cultural level, you could say that it is like a big pendulum swing to the other side. On the one hand you have, oh, men can be women. It. There is no definition of a woman. Femininity is something that is weak and a white CIS hetero woman should never be on the COVID of any magazine. So maybe it's a little bit of a swing of Sydney Sweeney saying, you know what? I'm hot and I know I'm hot. I know people think I'm hot and I don't really care. So you could kind of analyze it in two different ways. But you know, Occam's razor, it's probably the most obvious thing. It's probably just because she likes how she looks.
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Mark Halperin
No, you're right. I'd much rather look at Sydney Sweeney in a sheer dress at whatever event this was than look at nine fake women on the COVID of UK Glamour. Much rather. I guess I just want like for my daughter, you know, I, I want her to look at amazing women like that and say, I can be totally sexy when that time comes in my life with an appropriate outfit on. Like, I don't actually have to show areola in order to get male attention or feel gorgeous or sexy. I don't know. I mean, I know I kind of think she might have been misled into it. That's my bet. Because, like, when I, I did a saucy photo shoot one time for, it was GQ. I think it was GQ. And I, when I turned 40, but I, it was like what I wore was appropriate. It was just a slip dress. That's all it was. I did not show anything close to Areola and I never would. But I think probably she's very young. I think she's only like 26. And I guarantee you somebody brought the dress to her and was like, now we'll take it next level. And she trusted the wrong person. And before you knew it, you know, we had all seen it. And she'll, she's not going to hurt her at all. It's just people like us who I think were becoming her new fans who are like, okay, that wasn't, that wasn't the move.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
No. And self objectification is still objectification. And look like, I think all porn is bad. I think it's horrible. I think it's bad for people. And I think this kind of thing is making it even more difficult for the honorable men out there who said, you know, I'm not going to look at porn. I'm not going to go to porn websites. It's bad that addiction is horrible. It ruins relationships and sexuality and all of that. Well, this makes it, things like this make it even more difficult because now you don't even have to go to a porn site. All you have to do is log on to X or open up Instagram or something like that, and you've got Sydney Sweeney with her full titties out. And that is just like, that's just tough. That's just tough. And for those of us who don't want to see it, like, I didn't, you know, none of us chose to see something like that. And now the fullness of someone's nakedness is on display. I don't like it.
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Mark Halperin
There is fullness, that's for sure. I did not have Ali Beth Stuckey saying titties in my.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
I probably shouldn't have. Megan, you probably brought it out in me. I'm, by the way, I'm saying that it's not good.
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Mark Halperin
I needed the laugh today. Thank you, my friend. Thanks for being here.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
Thank you. Thank you so much.
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Mark Halperin
Megan, a pleasure as always. Okay, coming up next, the man who could be the next governor of New Jersey. And amazingly, he's a Republican. We will talk to Jack Cittarelli right after this break. Throughout history, what's the first freedom? Tyrants try to silence religious liberty because when your rights come from God, not government, they cannot be taken away. Lose this freedom and you lose America. That's why First Liberty Institute is offering a free guide, America's First Freedom, the antidote to tyranny. As we approach America's 250th birthday, learn how to protect, defend and celebrate this sacred right, just as our founders intended. Get your free copy today at firstliberty.org Megan that's firstliberty.org Megan get yours today. Firstliberty.org Megan paid for by First Liberty Institute. Medicare's annual enrollment period is here. And let's be honest, it's more confusing than ever. Out of pocket, costs are going up for a lot of seniors, and over a million people are on plans that are simply going to go away in January. It might be tempting to ignore the flood of Medicare ads and mailers, but doing nothing could mean that come Next year, the doctors you trust and the prescriptions you count on are no longer covered. That's why I want to tell you about Chapter. They're the only Medicare advisors who search every single plan nationwide and they will recommend what's truly best for you. In fact, they have saved people an average of 1100 bucks a year. They're fast and their help is completely free. In under 20 minutes they will tell you if you are already in the right plan for you or help you find one that actually works for your needs. So don't wait. Call Chapter now at 27 Medicare. That's 27 Medicare and get the peace of mind you deserve.
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Mark Halperin
New Jersey has long been a blue state, with Democrats winning most elections easily. The last time the state voted for A Republican for U.S. senator was 1972. The last time the state voted for a Republican president was George H.W. bush in 1988. Republican Chris Christie made national news when he was elected governor in the garden state in 2009 and then again in 2018. 13. But that did not end well. Republican Jack Ciarelli shocked many when he lost to the incumbent Democrat, Governor Phil Murphy back in 2021 by just three points. All of us were like, what, three? That's an amazing feat in the state of New Jersey. Well, Ciatarelli is once again the Republican nominee for governor. And with his opponent, Mikey Sherrill, mired in multiple scandals and the state struggling, MK Media's own Mark Halperin, host of Next up with Mark Halperin, says Ciatarelli has a real chance of victory here.
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Megyn Kelly
All the issues he raises, energy costs, traffic congestion, jobs, all these things are problems. Taxes, all these things are problems in New Jersey. So I think that message not just as fits the mood of the state and again is what the same kinds of things that got Chris Christie elected. So even though it's become a very blue state, they haven't elected a Republican senator in forever or voted for a Republican for president, I think since Bush 43 or 41. It's, it's, it did. They did like Chris Christie not long ago on all the same kind of themes. Corruption in Trenton, economics out of whack, et cetera. So I agree with Dan that Cittarelli's momentum is not what it was. But no one I know in either party who, who works in the state familiar with this race, no one would be surprised if Cittarelli won.
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Mark Halperin
No one. Oh, here with me now, Jack Ciatarelli himself. Jack, so nice to meet you. Thanks for coming on.
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Jack Ciattarelli
Thanks for having me on, Megan. And on Tuesday, I'm gonna make you a true believer. We're gonna win this race.
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Mark Halperin
Oh, shoot it in my veins.
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Ali Beth Stuckey
How?
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Mark Halperin
How exactly you're gonna do it? The polls are tightening, and I've been very encouraged by the latest polls. But how do you get it over the finish line?
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Jack Ciattarelli
First of all, Megan, the polls that we trust, including Emerson this morning, have it as a literally a dead heat. There's a couple that have me up by a point or two. Listen, people across the state are ticked off after eight years of failed policies of the current administration, all of which have been endorsed by my opponent. She's not from New Jersey. She hasn't been able to answer the most basic questions. And as you mentioned at the very beginning, there's been a number of scandals that call into question her character. We're just going to continue to get out there. And don't forget the majority party in New Jersey are the 2.5 million unaffiliated independent voters that lean right and this time they favor Ciatarelli.
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Mark Halperin
Can they. What if they haven't registered? Is there any way to still register to vote in New Jersey before Tuesday or.
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Jack Ciattarelli
No, we don't have same day registration here in New Jersey and that's not something I support. What I do support is voter id and that's something I'll champion once we win.
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Mark Halperin
Well, if you are registered. Get up off of your couch. Get up. Get up. We can actually get a Republican running the state and restore order or some sort of decency to New Jersey. I want to show one thing that is personal to yours truly because I do spend every summer in New Jersey. I'm a homeowner there. This is small ball but I think everybody watching this will understand our frustration. This is from a report that aired on Fox News. Fox News is Brian Yanis. I don't know how to pronounce his last name. Forgive me. Yeah. Reporting today. Watch this.
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Megyn Kelly
Now. Cittarelli also says he's been surprised by how fired up voters are over a sleeper issue potentially in this campaign. His plan to get rid of of the state's plastic bag and single use paper bag ban.
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Mark Halperin
Yes. Come out of the store with a.
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Megyn Kelly
Bunch of items and you got to purchase new bag. It's really ridiculous.
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Mark Halperin
It's so silly. My car is filled with all those other kind of bags and they, they're not biodegradable. It's definitely a struggle when you need to find a plastic bag. They don't exist anymore. But it, I think that's a good thing. It's not a bad thing. They are not single use bags. I use them all the time for all sorts of stuff and I recycle when they are finished. So what is the problem?
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Ali Beth Stuckey
We need plastic bags back.
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Mark Halperin
We do.
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Megyn Kelly
We spoke to voters all over New Jersey, Harris. It is a hot topic people love to talk about. Cittarelli says it's his number one applause line. It seems like at his rallies Cheryl says she wants to keep the ban. So we'll see.
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Mark Halperin
This could win you New Jersey.
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Jack Ciattarelli
It could. So she's doubled down on the green new deal that the current governor's put in place. That has two things that people can't stand. The first is the plastic bag ban. We're getting rid of that. And the second thing is wind farms off the Jersey Shore. If the current government and my opponent were from New Jersey, they know that the Jersey Shore is sank. And we're not going to have wind farms off our Jersey shore. We will lower the cost electricity by pulling out a Reggie, but we're not going to have wind farms off the Jersey Shore. When I'm governor, it's bad enough when.
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Mark Halperin
You go to the grocery store and you have to buy all those new allegedly recyclable bags like that you bought the last time, but you forgot to bring them in with you. But let me, let me say this. Try going to Bed, Bath and Beyond or one of those stores where you have to get like big things and a lot of them, you know, like dish towels or bath mats, whatever, like I had to do this past summer. And they will give you a bag. It's like either they let you take the cart directly to your car or not. But then when you get home, you need a bag. It's like, what's so wrong with plastic bags? I love that you've made this an issue. Now talk to me about your opponent's military history because she's not even been consistent on the story. And I have to say I smell a rat in her story about why she didn't walk in her graduation from the Naval Academy.
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Jack Ciattarelli
Megan, she's changed her story three times, which strongly suggests she's not telling the truth. But listen, she could very easily come clean by approving the release of her disciplinary records. Only she can do that if what she's telling us is the truth. The disciplinary records will confirm that. But there's a pattern here. Megan. She wasn't allowed to walk at her naval graduation at the Naval Academy. And by the way, she's built her entire political brand about her attendance at the Naval Academy. But now we know that she was severely punished. She violated federal law while in the Congress when it came to stock trades and stock reporting. And she tripled her net worth in only six years time in the Congress, but can't explain how. I mean, come on, who wouldn't know if they made $7 million?
- [96:07]
Mark Halperin
Yes, she does seem a little befuddled on whether she made money or how do we have that with the Charlemagne Exchange is one of our summarize. I'm trying to look. Yeah, 31. Let's listen.
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Megyn Kelly
So when Newsmax claims that you made $7 million from stock trades. What are they talking about?
- [96:26]
Mark Halperin
Newsmax is first of all a very questionable organization that is paying multiple fines. I'm not sure what they're talking about.
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Megyn Kelly
Did you make 7 million in stock trades at all?
- [96:41]
Mark Halperin
I don't believe I did, but I'd have to go see what that was alluding to again. What kind of came from.
- [96:47]
Megyn Kelly
It was a report in the Washington.
- [96:49]
Mark Halperin
No, I know it's from Newsmax, which again.
- [96:51]
Megyn Kelly
Then another one in the Washington Free Beacon, which is a conservative leaning platform, but they said you had increased from between 733,209 to over 4 million in 2019 and then between 4 million to.
- [97:06]
Jack Ciattarelli
13 million in 2024.
- [97:07]
Megyn Kelly
So that's where they got the 7 million increase.
- [97:10]
Mark Halperin
The average.
- [97:11]
Ali Beth Stuckey
They averaged out that.
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Mark Halperin
Yeah, yeah. Look, I, I, both my husband and I come from very middle class families. My parents were the first in their family to go to college and his were both teachers and then we both went into the military and afterwards he got a good job and I, We've been really lucky. Okay. She's much happier playing the destitution derby card. But she's a multimillionaire who won't own up to exactly how or when she got the funds.
- [97:43]
Jack Ciattarelli
Exactly. And she should know something about paying fines. She had to pay them for breaking federal law. It's embarrassing and it's a disqualifier. She's been going all around saying she'll be the most transparent candidate and governor ever, but yet she's not transparent about her own personal situation. That has been legitimately called into question. And by the way, Megan, the New York Times reports that while she's sitting on the House Armed Services Committee, she's trading defense stocks. I mean, are you kidding me?
- [98:08]
Mark Halperin
It's so unethical. The issue of boys playing in girls sports is another clear dividing line between you and this Mikey Sherrill. She, she favors it. She wants to allow this to keep happening.
- [98:21]
Jack Ciattarelli
This mother of two daughters voted yes twice to allow biological boys to participate in girls sports. That's an 8020 issue. And I just find this so hypocritical because you and I both know the Democrats will always talk about their defense of women while you're undermining Title 9 by allowing biological boys to participate in girls sports. But this is somebody that also supports one of Phil Murphy's policies, our current governor, where school districts keep secrets from parents, which I think is immoral, indecent, wrong and dangerous. If we really care about kids, stop allowing biological boys and girls Sports. And we're getting rid of policy 5756. No more keeping secrets from parents when I'm governor.
- [99:01]
Mark Halperin
Before you came on, we were talking about how Colorado and New Jersey. New Jersey are now the only two states in the union, thanks to Phil Murphy, that are allowing abortion on demand all the way through the 40th week of pregnancy. It's crazy. So I have two questions for you. Number one, what would you do about that now law in New Jersey if you became governor? And number two, how do you get a state that's crazy enough to actually pass that? You know, they had to have state lawmakers involved. Phil Murphy had to sign off on it to vote for a Republican.
- [99:34]
Jack Ciattarelli
Yeah. First let me say, Megan, that back at 21, with that very close race that I lost, you alluded to, you know, I flipped eight seats in the state legislature and that was with wind in my face. We got some serious wind in our back this time. I could flip 13 seats. And when we do that, we'll have something we haven't had in 25 years, a Republican majority in our state legislature. But listen, I'm going to fight like hell to make sure there are not late term abortions. Taxpayer dollars are not paying for abortions, but most of all, parental notification. Something else my opponent does not support. I mean, in New Jersey, you can't get your ears pierced under the age of 18 without the permission of your parents. And yet a 15, 16 or 17 year old woman is gonna get an abortion, not have parents be notified. Another one of those 80, 20 issues here in New Jersey that I'm gonna fight like hell for.
- [100:19]
Mark Halperin
The thing is, New Jersey does have large pockets of red. It's kind of like California in that it's almost uniformly blue. When you look at who's running it, who are the elected lawmakers, but it has large pockets of red. You know, trust me. Like Jersey Shore, Atlantic City. You go there, you're overwhelmed with Trump flags. So there are Republicans, long suffering Republicans in the state of New Jersey. She's trying to depress your turnout by suggesting you killed people. That's where she went. Because you ran this medical company that put out materials involving opioids that downplayed the risks back at the. At a time when a lot of people. But in any event, here was the attack she launched on you at the debate. It was sought. 34. Let's watch it. I got to walk at my college graduation. Even during even I got to walk.
- [101:07]
Jack Ciattarelli
At my college graduation.
- [101:08]
Mark Halperin
I'm so glad that you then Went on to kill tens of thousands of people in New Jersey, including children, as they got the law. In fact, your campaign right now is under federal investigation for how you illegally got actionable to my records. So to say that right now, and I think you're trying to divert from the fact that you killed tens of thousands of people by printing your misinformation, your propaganda, and then getting paid to develop an app so that people could more easily get the opioids once they were addicted. How do you respond to that, Megan?
- [101:39]
Jack Ciattarelli
It is a baseless, reckless lie from a desperate candidate who felt the heat from the Naval academy revelations and the revelations about our net worth and breaking federal law and stock trades. She cracked. But I'll tell you what, that one's gonna end her up in court. We'll be filing defamation suit real soon on that one. And you wanna talk about hypocrisy, guess what? We found out 48 hours after she made those baseless claims that she took massive campaign contributions from the very same company she was accusing me of colluding with.
- [102:08]
Mark Halperin
Wow. Okay, let's talk horse race, because we wanna give people a realistic assessment of where things are. You mentioned the Emerson pole, which now has this dead heat, which is amazing. Amazing. Um, but New Jersey has early voting too, and we have to look at that. And it sounds like so far I'm a little worried about the early voting. Explain to me why I shouldn't be, because here's my producer with it. With the glass half empty take. Democrats again won the early person vote in person vote on Tuesday. You had won it on Monday, but they took it back on Tuesday. Republicans still behind in the overall early person, early in person vote. Republicans actually won the early in person vote in 2024, and Trump still lost New Jersey to Harris. So that's scary. You look at the mail in vote. Dems are up 26.4 points over the GOP in the early in person plus mail in vote. So what this tells me is that you really need them to show up on election day in droves. You. You walk me off the cliff.
- [103:06]
Jack Ciattarelli
Okay, first of all, keep in mind, with regard to the polls that show this literally is a dead heat, that traditionally, historically speaking, Republicans under poll in this state because we're outnumbered by so many Democrats. But the other thing to keep in mind is back in 2021, I beat Phil Murphy, the current governor, on election day in person, voting on the machines by 250,000. So we're going into election day somewhat tied based on the vote by Mail ballots that have been returned and early voting. Nine days of early voting. We're in really good shape.
- [103:38]
Mark Halperin
Oh, okay. I see your point. Yes. You just need to keep. You're not expecting to win the mail in vote and the early vote. As a Republican, you just have to keep the margin tight enough that your day of vote will put you over the edge.
- [103:51]
Jack Ciattarelli
I'm not ruling it out that we don't win the nine days of early voting. Megan, if you take a look at the motivation of voters, the motivation's all on my side. And one of the cross tabs in many of the polls measures enthusiasm. I'm beating my opponent by 10 points when it comes to the enthusiasm factor.
- [104:07]
Mark Halperin
How could you not be? She's so milquetoast and not likable. I don't understand. New Jerseyans are so down to earth. They're fun, they're funny, they're fighters. I don't get that they're resonating with her or that Phil Murphy would resonate with them. Like, explain to me what's happening with this electorate that it's this tight between you and this woman.
- [104:26]
Jack Ciattarelli
She's not from New Jersey and she's demonstrated that time and time again. Megan, we get up and down the state eight days a week. She has ducked appearance after appearance after appearance. Yesterday was another day in front of 500 members of an important business advocacy here in the state. You got to get out there and press the flesh. We do. Listen, I'm very confident. Everything learned from 21 and the closeness of that race, this one feels very, very different. The energy is electric. The reception in minority communities has been overwhelmingly positive this time around. And keep in mind one other thing. Thirteen prominent Democrats, all current office holders, have endorsed my candidacy. When Democrats in this state start endorsing the Republican nominee, that's telling you something.
- [105:09]
Mark Halperin
Meanwhile, it's like you get this gift. I saw you posted about it on X. Just as we go to, you know, voting week, drag queens are being invited by the Democrat union to appear at their next month. Big. I don't know, it's there some woke event called celebrating the vibrant world of Dragon. This is the union's annual convention in Atlantic City touting equity, justice and et cetera ahead of learning how did New Jerseyans even know about this? Do you think that this is just a matter of like watching too much CNN and not knowing this is happening?
- [105:43]
Jack Ciattarelli
This is the teachers union which will be convening in about a month's time and they're advertising their programming for this Year's convention, and one of which is this drag programming. I don't understand it one bit. I find it disgusting. Listen, I'm a live and let live guy, but there's stuff that does not belong in our schools. That includes the LGBTQ curriculum. It also includes this. This drag thing that the njea, the teachers union, has going on. Listen, they already own my opponent. They've been lying about me left and right. But I take it as a compliment. To me, it's a sign of desperation.
- [106:16]
Mark Halperin
Jack, let's go. Let's do this thing. You got a couple of days to go, New Jerseyans. Get up, get off the couch. Make sure if you're ready to vote, you vote for Jack Ciattarelli. We cannot have this woman taking New Jersey into another four plus years of Democrat rule. Thank you, my friend. It's jack4new jersey.com jack4new jersey.com if you want to help him out. Good luck, Megan.
- [106:37]
Jack Ciattarelli
Thank you.
- [106:38]
Mark Halperin
All the best. Wow. Okay. Thanks for joining me today and all week tomorrow. You're gonna get to watch and listen to our MK Live show from Saturday with link Mark Halpern and Glenn Beck. You'll enjoy it. Go to make megankelley.com for tickets. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly show. No bs, no agenda, and no fear.
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