Vance on "5-Year-Old Detained by ICE" Story, Jack Smith Grilled, Barron Saves Woman: AM Update 1/23

Summary

The Megyn Kelly Show – AM Update 1/23/2025

Episode Theme:
This AM Update episode centers on political controversy and law enforcement challenges, diving into three major stories: Vice President J.D. Vance's visit to Minneapolis amid ICE-related conflicts, former Special Counsel Jack Smith being grilled on Capitol Hill over his probes into Donald Trump, and the uplifting account of Barron Trump helping save a woman's life in the UK.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

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1. Vice President J.D. Vance in Minneapolis: ICE, Misinformation, and Local Tensions

• Context (02:08): VP Vance visits Minneapolis to address protests and promote cooperation between local businesses, law enforcement, and federal immigration agencies. The city has experienced protests and hostility against ICE officers.
• Hostile Environment for ICE (02:37):
  • Vance recounts a recent incident where off-duty ICE officers, doxed online, were cornered by agitators at a restaurant:
    • “A bunch of agitators showed up, locked the door, made them feel like they were in danger for their lives... Now imagine if you can’t even go to a restaurant without some agitators locking the door and making you feel like your life is in danger...” — J.D. Vance [02:37]
• Federal vs. Local Cooperation (03:20):
  • Vance argues the “heavy federal presence is a direct result of the lack of cooperation from state and local officials,” contrasting Minneapolis with other cities:
    • “You go to Austin, Texas or Memphis, Tennessee, you do not have this level of chaos... They are trying to protect ICE officers who are doing immigration enforcement because when a crowd surrounds them and these guys call 911, local officials ... have been told to stand down.” — J.D. Vance [03:40]
• Viral “5-Year-Old Detained by ICE” Story (04:17):
  • As the media and politicians (including Hillary Clinton and Kamala Harris) condemn ICE, Vance rebuts what he asserts is misinformation:
    • “I’m a father of a five year old...this is terrible. How did we arrest a five year old? Well, I do a little bit more follow up research and what I find is that the five year old was not arrested, that his dad was an illegal alien... Are they supposed to let a five year old child freeze to death?... If the argument is that you can’t arrest people who have violated our laws because they have children, then every single parent is going to be ... immune ... That doesn’t make any sense.” — J.D. Vance [05:07]
  • Kelly relays the DHS’s version: ICE did not target or arrest a child; agents cared for the boy while waiting for custody arrangements. The story, she says, has been distorted for political purposes. [05:51]
• NYPD and ICE Confusion Incident (07:31):
  • Three NYPD officers, mistaken for ICE agents by hospital staff, are denied treatment, highlighting confusion and animosity towards law enforcement agencies often conflated with ICE.
  • The hospital later apologizes, but no disciplinary action is reported.

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2. Jack Smith Grilled at House Judiciary Committee

• Republican Critique of Jack Smith’s Conduct (10:28):
  • Smith, appointed in 2022 to probe Trump, is interrogated for alleged prosecutorial overreach after both cases (Mar-a-Lago documents, Jan 6th) collapse.
  • Democratic Praise (11:15):
    • Multiple Democrats hail Smith’s public service:
      • “You have devoted your life to the rule of law and to public service.” — Rep. Darrell Issa, echoing bipartisan ceremonial language [11:15]
    • Even Vance expresses procedural respect:
      • “We appreciate your fidelity to the rule of law. Mr. Smith, I want you to have the utmost confidence in what you did... You are a man of honor.” — J.D. Vance [11:27]
  • Republican Counter: Secret Subpoenas and Gag Orders (12:50):
    • Smith is pressed about secret subpoenas—including Speaker McCarthy’s phone records—and the use of nondisclosure orders:
      • “You think the Speaker of the House is a flight risk? ... You were using clearly false information to secure a non disclosure order to hide ... the fact that you were spying on his toll records.” — Rep. Brandon Gill [13:52]
    • Smith denies bad faith, says the risk pertains to investigation, not the individual.
  • Judicial “Rubber Stamp”? (14:30):
    • Reporter Julie Kelly notes Smith worked with D.C. judges perceived as having “anti-Trump animus,” arguing Smith’s team felt immune to future scrutiny:
      • “They never foresaw what happened in 2024 ... They thought this would stay under wraps forever or ... no one would care.” — Julie Kelly [15:15]
  • Issa on Political Motive (15:48):
    • Rep. Issa links Smith’s work with Nixon's men targeting political enemies, accuses Smith of being Joe Biden’s “arm.” Smith rejects the comparison:
      • “My office didn’t spy on anyone.” — Jack Smith [16:29]
  • Pattern of Exceeding Boundaries (16:58):
    • Rep. Kevin Kiley provides examples of aggressive tactics: gag orders, early trial demands, facing reversals and rebukes in higher courts. When asked about regrets:
      • “If I have any regret, it would be not expressing enough appreciation for my staff who work so hard in these investigations.” — Jack Smith [17:52]
  • Julie Kelly’s Take (18:06):
    • Kelly asserts Smith has a “terrible record before higher courts,” referencing reversals and unsuccessful high-profile cases:
      • “One of the biggest prosecutorial losers of all time, yet he wants to act like he has a stellar 30 year career... That’s just not the case.” — Julie Kelly [18:06]

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3. Barron Trump Helps Save a Woman’s Life

• Details of the Incident (18:51):
  • During a FaceTime with a female friend in London, 18-year-old Barron Trump witnesses her being assaulted, calls UK emergency services from the US:
    • “I’m calling from the US, I just got a call from a girl, she’s getting beat up... I just figured out how to call someone. It’s really an emergency.” — Barron Trump, transcript of emergency call [19:09]
  • He provides the address, persists through a frustrated operator, and apologizes for being curt, prioritizing the victim’s safety.
  • The woman testifies: “He helped save my life. That call was like a sign from God.” — Victim, London trial [19:52]
  • Authorities learn Barron’s identity only after responding. The trial of the alleged attacker continues.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Social Consequences for ICE Agents:
  • “If you can’t even go to a restaurant without some agitators locking the door and making you feel like your life is in danger, that is the environment that has been created.” — J.D. Vance [02:37]
• On Viral Misinformation and Law Enforcement:
  • “If the argument is that you can’t arrest people who have violated our laws because they have children, then every single parent is going to be completely given immunity ... That doesn’t make any sense.” — J.D. Vance [05:07]
• Barron Trump’s Heroics:
  • “He helped save my life. That call was like a sign from God.” — Victim, London trial [19:52]
• On Political Overreach:
  • “You, like the President’s men for Richard Nixon, went after your political enemies. Maybe they’re not your political enemies, but they sure as hell were Joe Biden’s political enemies, weren’t they?” — Rep. Darrell Issa [15:48]
• Jack Smith’s Only Regret:
  • “If I have any regret, it would be not expressing enough appreciation for my staff...” — Jack Smith [17:52]
• Julie Kelly’s Summary of Smith:
  • “One of the biggest prosecutorial losers of all time, yet he wants to sit up there and act like he has a stellar 30 year career ... That’s just not the case.” — Julie Kelly [18:06]

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• VP Vance on Minneapolis and ICE: 02:08 – 05:51
• DHS and ICE’s account on “child detention” story: 05:51
• NYPD/ICE mix-up at NY hospital: 07:31
• Jack Smith grilled on Capitol Hill: 10:28 – 18:06
• Barron Trump's emergency call from the US to UK: 18:51 – 21:09

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Summary Takeaway

The episode paints a broad picture of political and media dynamics in 2025 America: ICE operations under fire and distorted narratives, law enforcement increasingly at odds with the public, and high-stakes political investigations devolving into procedural and ideological warfare. Amid the division and controversy, a story of personal heroism from Barron Trump briefly steals the spotlight, offering a rare moment of unity and humanity.

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Transcript

[Megyn Kelly]

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[J.D. Vance]

I wake up.

[Megyn Kelly]

Good morning everyone. I'm Megyn Kelly. It's Friday, January 23rd, 2025 and this is your AM update.

[J.D. Vance]

When I think to myself, oh my God, this is terrible. How did we arrest the five year old? Well, I do a little bit more follow up research.

[Megyn Kelly]

Vice President J. Vance brings a dose of reality to Minneapolis in a visit designed to increase cooperation between local business leaders and federal immigration enforcement. NYPD officers seeking emergency medical treatment say they were treated like pariahs by hospital staff who confused them for ICE agents.

[Congressman Kevin Kiley]

So my final question is, do you believe that you made any mistakes? Do you have any regrets as to how you conducted this investigation?

[Megyn Kelly]

Former counsel Jack Smith pressed by Republicans at a House Judiciary hearing probing his investigations into then candidate Trump and Barron Trump, President Trump's youngest child credited with saving a woman's life. We'll tell you the story. All that and more coming up in just a moment on your AM Update.

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[Megyn Kelly]

Vice President J.D. vance arriving in Minneapolis yesterday to participate in a roundtable discussion with local business leaders and law enforcement. The visit coming amid weeks of violent protesters clashing with and obstructing ICE officers. Mr. Vance Seeking to ease tensions and increase local collaboration with federal immigration efforts. The VP speaking to reporters following the briefing, describing the dangerous and hostile atmosphere even off duty ICE officers face in the Twin Cities.

[J.D. Vance]

Did you know that within the last, I think week or so, maybe even more recently than that, you had a couple of ICE officers who were off duty, who had been doxed online, who were sitting and having a meal at a restaurant in Minneapolis when a bunch of agitators showed up, locked the door, made them feel like they were in danger for their lives. And then of course, it was federal law enforcement Officers who had to come up, lower the temperature on the situation and actually get those two off duty officers to a point of safety. Now imagine if you would your life and your perspective on law enforcement. If you can't even go to a restaurant without some agitators locking the door and making you feel like your life is in danger. That is the environment that has been created.

[Megyn Kelly]

Minnesota Governor Tim Walz and Minneapolis Mayor Jacob Fry repeatedly criticizing the Trump administration for surging in thousands of federal agents accusing the government of pulling a political stunt. VP Vance pushing back, arguing the heavy federal presence is a direct result of the lack of cooperation from state and local officials.

[J.D. Vance]

You go to Austin, Texas or Memphis, Tennessee, you do not have this level of chaos. The reason why things have gotten so out of hand is because of failure of cooperation between the state and local authorities and what these guys are trying to do. We have a ton of resources, a ton of ICE agents in this city right now. I'd love to send those guys home. They're not even doing targeted immigration enforcement. They are trying to protect ICE officers who are doing immigration enforcement because when a crowd surrounds them and These guys call 911, the local officials, the local cops have been told to stand down.

[Megyn Kelly]

The Vice President's visit coming amid viral reports that ICE quote, detained a five year old boy in Minneapolis. The New York Times writing, quote, detention of five year old by federal agents incenses Minneapolis. ABC News quote, five year old asylum seeker detained as ICE expands enforcement in Minnesota. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton weighing in, posting on X quote, enforcing the law is one thing, terrorizing a population, using children as pawns is another. My heart aches for Liam Ramos and his family. Kamala Harris posting quote, Liam Ramos is just a baby. He should be home with his family, not used as bait by ICE and held in a Texas detention center, I am outraged and you should be too. JD Vance weighing in on some of the misinformation out there on this case yesterday.

[J.D. Vance]

I'm a father of a five year old, actually a five year old little boy and I think to myself, oh my God, this is terrible. How did we arrest a five year old? Well, I do a little bit more follow up research and what I find is that the five year old was not arrested that his dad was an illegal alien and then when they went to arrest his illegal alien father, the father ran. Are they supposed to let a five year old child freeze to death? Are they not supposed to arrest an illegal alien in the United States of America? If the argument is that you can't arrest people who have violated our laws because they have children, then every single parent is going to be completely given immunity to from ever being the subject of law enforcement. That doesn't make any sense. No one thinks that makes any sense.

[Megyn Kelly]

DHS writing on X quote ICE did not target, arrest a child or use a child as bait. ICE law enforcement officers were the only people primarily concerned with the welfare of this child. The agency explaining that the boy's father ran his alleged mother refused to accept custody of the child and DHS alone was left to care for the boy while trying multiple times to get the alleged mother to take him, even assuring her that she would not be taken into custody. Finally, ICE catching the father who DHS says decided he wanted the child to remain with him. Officers abided by the father's wishes, even getting the child McDonald's and playing his favorite music for him. DHS explaining that parents have the choice to keep their children with them upon removal or to have them placed with a safe person of the parents choosing consistent with the policy of past administrations. DHS also allows parents being removed to use the CBP Home app, which gives them a free flight back to their native country and $2,600 and reserves them the right to try and come back the legal way. Late yesterday, the family's attorney claiming that the family from Ecuador has been seeking asylum through the protocol established by the Biden Administration proper. Asylum seekers are not technically considered illegal immigrants. We asked DHS about that claim and they referred us to their earlier statement which refers to this man as an illegal immigrant, presumably disagreeing with the assertions about asylum. A disturbing report out of New York City. Three plainclothes NYPD detectives arriving at NYU Langone Cobble Hill Hospital in Brooklyn last Friday seeking medical treatment for minor injuries following a struggle with a drug suspect. According to the New York Post, hospital officials telling the detectives they could not enter the emergency room while armed, prompting one officer to agree to hold his partner's firearm while the first officer was being treated. Hospital staff then approaching the second detective in the waiting room, instructing him to leave because he was armed. At that point, the NYPD tells the Post, quote, the two detectives heard members of the hospital staff say something to the effect of believing they were ICE and that they should seek care elsewhere. A source familiar with the incident telling the Post hospital staff were, quote, nasty toward the officers, accusing them of being ICE agents. The Detectives Endowment association, the detectives union, announcing it is actively investigating the incident, writing in a statement it will, quote, pursue all available remedies to ensure our members are treated with the dignity, respect and and professionalism they have unequivocally earned. New York City Mayor Zoram Mamdani, who earlier this week appeared on the View calling for the abolition of ice, telling reporters on Wednesday he was not aware of the incident. NYU Langone releasing a statement following a discussion with Police Commissioner Jessica Tisch expressing regret for how the situation was handled, quote, and reaffirming our commitment to continue providing the highest quality care to the NYPD and all law enforcement agencies. In 2025, they went on, NYU Langone was proud to provide care to nearly 1,000 NYPD officers across all our emergency departments. The statement does not indicate any disciplinary action has been taken against the staff involved in this incident. Coming up, former special prosecutor Jack Smith faces heat from the GOP in an appearance before the House Judiciary Committee and the story of a woman who credits Barron Trump with saving life.

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[Megyn Kelly]

Former Special Counsel Jack Smith appearing before the House Judiciary Committee yesterday defending his collapsed cases against President Trump as Republicans accused him of overreach, secrecy and abuse of prosecutorial power. Former Attorney General Merrick Garland appointing Smith in 2022 to oversee two investigations into then candidate Trump, the Mar A Lago classified documents case and the 2020 January 6 case, both cases falling apart in 2024. Throughout the hearing, Democrats repeatedly coming to Smith's defense, praising his conduct and portraying him as a principled public servant. Always acting in good faith here, Congressman Jamie Raskin of Maryland, Eric Swalwell of California and Joe Nagus of Colorado. Now Mr. Smith, you're one of America's.

[Congressman Darrell Issa]

Great prosecutors, while others may have devoted their lives to corrupt self enrichment. You have devoted your life to the rule of law and to public service.

[Jack Smith]

We are grateful for your service to this country.

[J.D. Vance]

We appreciate your fidelity to the rule of law. Mr. Smith, I want you to have the utmost confidence in what you did. You did everything right. You, unlike many here, are a man of honor.

[Megyn Kelly]

We spoke to Julie Kelly, reporter for Declassified on Substack, who has closely followed these cases from the very beginning. She says the day did not go well for Jack Smith.

[Julie Kelly]

I think it was a disaster for Jack Smith. I think, you know, Democrats and Jack Smith himself and the media were preparing for him to really school the committee on all of Donald Trump's criminality then. But for the president winning, he would have been able to easily convict the President in both of those documents. Case in J6 but that just did not happen. And I think you can tell Megan by the response, you know, of the media and even Democrats on the panel that this did not go well. So they had to spend every, all of their time talking about Donald Trump, how he tried to steal, you know, overturn the 2020 election. And all of them would say on behalf of my state or my district, thank you so much for your service, your 30 years of service. Because they recognize that I think most people view Jack Smith and the entire special counsel's operation as nothing more than a political witch hunt to try to damage and destroy Donald Trump. Before the election.

[Megyn Kelly]

Republicans walking through Smith's record, challenging his methods, focusing in particular on his decision to secretly subpoena the phone records of multiple GOP members of Congress, in other words, members of a co equal branch of government to the executive which employed Jack Smith. Those records obtained under non disclosure orders, preventing the phone companies from notifying their customers that their records had even been turned over to prosecutors. Congressman Brandon Gill of Texas questioning Smith on non disclosure orders Gill says Smith secured to obtain then House Speaker Kevin McCarthy's records.

[Congressman Brandon Gill]

You did. And let me ask you, Mr. Smith, at the time you you secured those non disclosure orders, was Speaker McCarthy a flight risk?

[Jack Smith]

The non disclosure order was based on.

[Congressman Brandon Gill]

Concerns about was Speaker McCarthy a flight risk?

[Jack Smith]

He was not.

[Congressman Brandon Gill]

Then why did your non disclosure order refer to him as a flight risk?

[Jack Smith]

Sir, when securing a non disclosure order, the risks don't have to be associated.

[Congressman Brandon Gill]

You think the speaker of the House is a flight risk? You think he's going to hop on a plane and leave the country?

[Jack Smith]

No, what I was trying to explain is with respect to a non disclosure order, the Risks aren't necessarily associated with the subscriber to the phone. They're the risks to investigation.

[Congressman Brandon Gill]

I think that you were using, this was clearly in reference to Speaker McCarthy and you were using clearly, clearly false information to secure a non disclosure order to hide from Speaker McCarthy and from the American people the fact that you were spying on his toll records.

[Megyn Kelly]

According to Kelly, Smith faced little resistance from the judges overseeing his probes.

[Julie Kelly]

They were the ones who were signing off as chief Judges of the D.C. district Court. Barrel Howell and then Jeff Boswort took over as Chief judge in the spring of 2023. They are both Obama appointees. They both have a long track record of anti Trump animus or animus towards the President and January Sixers. I mean Jeb Bossberg called January 6th an insurrection and a court or a few court orders. So they were only too happy to act as a rubber stamp for first the doj, then Jack Smith and whatever they wanted.

[Megyn Kelly]

Kelly argues those approvals came with little concern for future scrutiny because these prosecutors and judges never expected Donald Trump to return to power.

[Julie Kelly]

They never foresaw what happened in 2024. Republicans again taking over the legislative branch and Donald Trump back in the White House. They thought this would stay under wraps forever or by the time this was disclosed, no one would care. There wouldn't be anything that anyone could do. And that's just not the case here. Which is why Jack Smith stumbles around trying to give a good answer as to why he sought these NDOs.

[Megyn Kelly]

Elsewhere in the hearing, Congressman Darrell Issa of California pressing Smith on potential political motivations for seeking these records.

[Congressman Darrell Issa]

To what end would conversations between the speaker of the U.S. house and the President, in what basis would it be any of your business? You, like the President's men for Richard Nixon, went after your political enemies. Maybe they're not your political enemies, but they sure as hell were Joe Biden's political enemies, weren't they? They were the enemies of the President and you were their arm, weren't you?

[Megyn Kelly]

No.

[Congressman Darrell Issa]

Well, did you mention that you were spying on seeking records so you could find out about when conversations occurred between the US speaker of the House and the President? Did you inform the judge or did you hold that back?

[Jack Smith]

My office didn't spy on anyone.

[Megyn Kelly]

Time has expired. But we're going to let the witness.

[Jack Smith]

Answer your question because it's an important question. We did not provide that information to the judge when we requested a non disclosure order consistent with the law and consistent with the part.

[Congressman Darrell Issa]

Mr. Chairman. The amazing thing here today is that.

[Megyn Kelly]

We have an admission, Congressman Kevin Kiley from California, tying it all together, demonstrating a larger pattern in which Smith repeatedly pushed legal boundaries.

[Congressman Kevin Kiley]

You also sought orders from judges making it so those who were being having their records seized would not know about it. Similarly, you issued a gag order against President Trump that the D.C. circuit Court of Appeals vacated over Broad. Is that correct?

[Jack Smith]

Well, the D.C. court of Appeals, in passing on that order, found that it was justified. They narrowed the order, but because it was overbroad.

[Congressman Kevin Kiley]

In addition to that, you sought an early trial date that the district court rejected. And when you presented your prosecution memo to Attorney General Garland, it's been reported that he was visibly unimpressed and expressed First Amendment concerns. So Mr. Smith, looking at the record, I see that you were reversed and rebuked by the Department of Justice itself, by the Attorney General, by the Solicitor General, by multiple district court justices, judges, by the Court of Appeals, and by the US Supreme Court itself. So my final question is, do you believe that you made any mistakes?

[Jack Smith]

If I have any regret, it would be not expressing enough appreciation for my staff who work so hard in these investigations.

[Megyn Kelly]

Kelly says these failures reflect a broader pattern across Smith's entire career.

[Julie Kelly]

Jack Smith has actually a terrible record before higher courts. He had a lot of luck in Washington D.C. because he had two Democrat chief judges who are happy to give him whatever he wanted. And of course then bringing up the 80 reversal of Jack Smith's conviction of former Virginia governor Bob McDonnell and his wife. Also, he got a hung jury when he tried to try John Edwards the first time. I mean, this is one of the biggest prosecutorial losers of all time, yet he wants to sit up there and act like he has a stellar 30 year career as a prosecutor and is above reproach. And that's just not the case.

[Megyn Kelly]

Barron Trump credited with help save a woman's life last year after witnessing an alleged assault over FaceTime and alerting UK authorities. Prosecutors on Wednesday playing a recording of a 999 call, the UK's version of 911, during the London trial of Matvey Rumiantsev, a former MMA fighter accused of assaulting and raping his ex girlfriend who cannot be named under UK law, according to prosecutors. The incident occurring in January 2025 when then 18 year old Barron Trump received a FaceTime call from a female friend in London and witnessed her being attacked. In the emergency call transcript obtained by UK outlet Metro, the younger Trump telling the operator, quote, I'm calling from the us I just got a call from a girl, she's getting beat up. Barron then gives the woman's address, continuing quote, I just figured out how to call someone. It's really an emergency. The operator presses him for details on how they met. Barron, focusing on the girl, says, I don't think these details matter. She's getting beat up. But okay, fine, I met her on social media. The operator accuses him of being rude with that comment and again demands to know how he and this woman met. I met her on social media. He repeats Barron says again how badly this young woman is getting beaten up and expresses his concern, then tells the operator, so sorry for being rude. So sweet of him to say that. Authorities only learning of Trump's identity after arriving at the scene. The woman dialing Trump asking if he called the police. Trump's voice heard on body cameras telling authorities, quote, I just saw a ceiling and could hear screaming. I could see a guy's head on the phone. And then the camera turns to her crying and getting hit. In court on Wednesday, the woman telling jurors, quote, he helped save my life. That call was like a sign from God. At that moment, the trial remains ongoing. And that'll do it for your AM Update. I'm Megyn Kelly. Join me back here for the MK show live on SiriusXM's the Megyn Kelly Channel 111 at noon east on YouTube.com Megyn Kelly and on all podcast platforms.

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