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Zachary Levi on RFK and Tulsi Bringing Him to Trump, Secrets of Hollywood, and How God Saved His Life | Ep. 1010
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Megyn Kelly opens the show by discussing what's really happening with President Trump vs. Ukraine President Zelensky, and how the Ukraine War could end now that Trump's administration is leading negotiations. Then actor Zachary Levi joins to discuss his new movie, “The Unbreakable Boy,” why he feels God brought him and the rest of the movie cast and crew to this, the importance of the movie and its message, how it fits with the rest of his career, how Tulsi Gabbard helped lead him to support Trump during the campaign, his support of RFK Jr. at HHS and Elon Musk at DOGE, how his career wasn't affected by the endorsement of Trump, the inspiring way Robert F. Kennedy plans to transform the Department of Health and Human Services, his plan to address the "off limits" areas that have been ignored, how he moved to Austin, Texas in an attempt to solve his problems, why this actually led to more challenges, hitting rock bottom in his life when he blew his life up, how a combination of God ...
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Megyn Kelly
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There's a lot to go over today and you know what? Before we get to that, picking up on our AM update. I don't know if you guys listened to the AM update this morning. It was our first morning podcast, so we' be offering that now. During the weekdays it's just a 15 minute straight news update for folks before they start their day. But it was mostly about what's happening with the settlement, the resolution of the Russia Ukraine war and how Trump has really taken the lead. Hello. Somebody had to and is having direct meetings with Putin and Zelensky of Ukraine is very unhappy and continues to sort of yap about it. Now, with all due respect to Mr. Zelensky, this thing was just on and on and on with no progress until or hope of resolution until Trump got directly involved. Till he got elected and stepped in there and actually started to say, look, let's be realistic about how this thing is gonna land. So Zelensky would do well to just be quiet for a while to see what Trump can accomplish. And when Trump brings it to him, it will be a proposal and he can react accordingly. But instead, he's been yapping the whole week long, there's no deal on Ukraine without Ukraine. Well, he knows that, all right, but realistically, you'll probably do what we tell you to because your war ends without our support and everybody knows that. So we're kind of doing you the courtesy of allowing you to appear like you are in charge. But everyone knows without our money, this Thing goes away. You can't. You. You lose. You would have lost week one. The Europeans have donated some have supported some. But. But let's be honest. Their coffers are a lot more shallow than ours are, and we're the number one player in making this thing go away. So that's why Trump is taking the lead. He's dealing with Putin directly. And Zelensky just keeps dropping these not helpful statements. And I think Trump has about had it because he just issued a truth, you know, a truth Social. And I'll give you a couple. All right, so standby. Let me see if I can find these on my phone. Oh, gosh. Can you guys send them to me again? I. My team sent them to me, and now I can't find them. Now that we're actually live on the air. Standby, I will get it to you. Here it is. Oh, no, shoot. That's not it. Are we live? Is this happening live? Trump basically called him a dictator and put him in his place, saying, why don't you take a seat because we're doing something here and you're not being helpful. Here it is. Think of it. He writes on Truth Social. A modestly successful comedian, Volodymyr Zelensky, talked the United States of America into spending $350 billion to go into a war that could not be won, that never had to start, but a war that he without the US and Trump will never be able to settle. The US has spent $200 billion more than Europe, and Europe's money is guaranteed, while the US Will get nothing back. You remember that Trump struck the deal the other day, or was starting to, that would allow for us to have access to Ukraine's natural minerals as, you know, as collateral for our. For our money. And. But nobody even thought of that. You know, Biden was just handing them boatloads of dollars without any promise in return. So Trump is saying here that we spent $200 billion. Europe got a guarantee. We never did. Why didn't sleepy Joe Biden demand equalization and that this war is far more important to Europe than it is for us? We have a big, beautiful ocean as separation. Obviously, Europe is part of Ukraine and Ukraine's part of Europe, and Europe has to worry about this war, which is in its backyard, not ours. On top of this, Zelenskyy admits that half of the money we send him is missing. That's exactly right. He admitted that it's gone underreported. But we've got over $100 billion. That's just kind of gone and Zelensky's admitting it. And by the way, if you said we don't trust him, he's we, we think this man should not be entrusted with the American dollars. You would be called all sorts of names as recently as like six months ago. But it's a valid concern. He's admitted that it's gone and no one knows where. He says Zelensky refuses to have elections, is very low in Ukrainian polls and the only thing he was good at, playing Biden, the only thing he was good at was playing Biden like a fiddle, a dictator without elections. Zelensky better move fast or he is not going to have a country left. In the meantime, we are successfully negotiating an end to the war with Russia, something I'll admit only Trump and the Trump administration can do. Biden never tried. Europe has failed to bring peace and Zelensky probably wants to keep the gravy train growing going. I love Ukraine, but Zelensky has done a terrible job. His country is shattered and millions have unnecessarily died. And so it continues. And let me tell you why this is so bad for Zelenskyy. It's because recently Trump, since he took office was sounding not neo. Connie, Trump is not neocanni. You know, J.D. vance and Tucker are much more in the non interventionalist camp that's very large within the Republican Party. I would say Trump is close to them but not entirely aligned with them. He's still got like a toe over in not neocon camp but you know, he's not afraid to drop a bomb on a guy like Soleimani. He's, you know, if the situation calls for it, Trump will be more bellicose both in his language and then ultimately in his behavior. And what Zelensky doesn't want to do is, is saber rattle Trump over to the JD Vance Tucker side where Ukraine will get even less than Trump is trying to negotiate for them. Right. Trust me when I tell you they'll do better under Trump in a good mood than they will under Trump in a screw you, Zelensky mood. So this is not smart behavior from a guy who has very few chips with which to bargain. Trump spoke to what's happening between the U.S. russia and Ukraine from Mar A Laga on Tuesday. Here's SAP 5.
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Zachary Levi
Tell us a little bit more about the Russia talks, your impression of how they went today and if you're perhaps more confident or less confident of a deal after what happened today.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, much more confident. They were very good. Russia wants to do something. They want to stop the savage barbarianism. I mean, what, what's going on over there? It's soldiers are being killed by the thousands on a weekly basis. It's ridiculous. And they're not American soldiers.
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Zachary Levi
They're Russian soldiers and they're Ukrainian soldiers, largely, although a lot of Koreans have been killed.
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Megyn Kelly
As you know, quite a bit of.
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Zachary Levi
Them have been killed.
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Megyn Kelly
They came over to fight and a large portion have been wiped out. But we want to end it. It's a senseless war. It should have never happened, would have never happened if I was president. Well, that's the other piece of it. And I think we all know that's true. He has a different relationship with Vladimir Putin, and Putin would have been more, if not afraid of Trump than respectful, I think, of the power that Trump yields as the United States president. Trump went on to say, yeah, I can end this war. And honestly, everyone knows that. So he really like again, Zelensky's playing with fire. Take a listen here to Sat six.
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Zachary Levi
I want to see peace.
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Megyn Kelly
Look, you know why I want. Because I don't want all these people killed anymore.
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Zachary Levi
I'm looking at people that are being killed and they're Russian and Ukrainian people, but they're people. It doesn't matter where they're from on the whole planet. And I think I have the power.
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Megyn Kelly
To end this war, and I think.
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Zachary Levi
It'S going very well.
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Megyn Kelly
So that's where things stand now. Look, if he strikes a deal with Putin that allows Putin to have some most. It's going to probably going to be most of the territory that they have taken in Ukraine, but also says, and also says that Ukraine will not be joining NATO. Putin will accept that deal and Zelensky's going to accept that deal. He's going to have to have security to ensure that they will not be attacked again. And it seems like the Europeans are prepared to give them some forces. Trump is saying, no U.S. forces. We're not going to be the peacekeeper over there. Great. I think we've all had it up to here with that kind of role for the United States across the world. And I'm sure there will be some sort of additional financial investment which Trump will now say will be repaid, in essence, by the earth materials or earth materials that we can get out of Ukraine, which is very valuable. So that's where we are. It's a precarious situation, but it's going to be handled. And the only thing that could queer the deal is Zelensky shooting his mouth off let's hope he stops that. This show is dedicated to uncovering the truth in a media landscape often dominated by left leaning narratives, especially when it comes to President Trump. It's safe to say you can expect more agenda driven stories and factual distortions all over the rest of the news. But I do want to tell you about Ground News. Unlike other platforms that censor or amplify certain narratives, Ground News is not a news publisher. They're an independent app and website that aggregates every source on a story so you can compare coverage and see through mainstream media spin. Ground News has an entire blind spot feed with stories that are receiving lopsided coverage. It truly reveals how media narratives are shaping the conversation. My viewers are gonna get 40% off their vantage plan which gives you unlimited access to their website and their app. They are independent, they are supported by subscribers, not corporate interests. You can check them out at groundnews.com Megan that's ground. G-R-O-U-N-NEWS.com Megan to take back control of the news you consume today, we've got a very special guest. His name is Zachary Levi. You may have seen him on this broadcast, you may have seen him on some other shows around the cable nets and so on. He's a big Hollywood actor. He's Shazam. That's how my kids know him. I know him from the Kurt Warner movie in which he was amazing. And he did something especially courageous, especially for those in Hollywood this year. And that was he came out as an open supporter of Donald Trump and of RFKJ during the primary. All right, so first it was rfkj and then he endorsed Trump despite the inevitable backlash everyone knew would come. But there's something interesting happening with him. I don't know that it has come. It's like somehow I think we might have found the one Hollywood celebrity who wasn't an open Republican, who endorsed Trump and still has a career. It's one of the mysteries of life. We discussed the last time why he discussed why he felt the need to speak out and his support of the so called Trump Avengers team, you know, Tulsi, RFKJ and so on. When he was first on the show back in October, it was episode 928. We didn't have time to go through his fascinating life and career. So we get to do that today with him in studio. But first, here's a quick refresher on Zach on screen. I hope I'm not interrupting.
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Zachary Levi
No, not at all. That's from. It's from Batman?
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Megyn Kelly
Because that makes it better.
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Zachary Levi
I. How you doing? The name's Flynn Rider. How's your day going, huh? Who else knows my location?
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Megyn Kelly
Flynn Rider.
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Zachary Levi
All right, Blondie.
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Megyn Kelly
Rapunzel.
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Zachary Levi
The only person I know that knows anything about this caped crusader stuff.
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Megyn Kelly
Good night.
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Zachary Levi
Oh, yeah. Yeah. That's crazy, right? What are your superpowers? Superpowers? Dude, I don't even know how to pee in this thing.
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Megyn Kelly
Amazing. That's the last one from Shazam. He's got a new movie out in theaters this Friday, and it's called the Unbreakable Boy. It is a heartwarming story about the ups and downs of navigating life with an autistic son. And we'll get to that in just a bit. Zach, welcome back.
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Zachary Levi
Hi. So good to be back. So good to see you in person.
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Megyn Kelly
I know.
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Zachary Levi
Not just in a little square on a screen.
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Megyn Kelly
I know. You never get to do it in person. I love coming down to the SiriusXM fishbowl and, you know, they broke out the NFL desk for us.
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Zachary Levi
How about that? Oh, look at this. This is fanc football best.
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Megyn Kelly
They don't do this for just anybody. Want you to know that.
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Zachary Levi
I'm honored. I'm honored.
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Megyn Kelly
So I wanna kick it off with your movie because I think this is perfectly on brand for you. I think the Kurt Warner thing was perfectly on brand for you. Of course, Shazam Just has mass appeal. That's on brand for anybody. But, like, this is great because it's about. It's a story about love, family, challenges, faith. And I think given your newfound huge fans on the right who appreciate not just how you act, but what you stand for, this is right in the sweet spot.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah. I mean, listen, my goal is always to just make excellence, you know, like I. From the beginning of my career, even as, you know, someone who grew up Christian and was conservative in many ways, I would consider myself a libertarian. But I've always had conservative fans and Christian fans. And I've always said, I have no intention of being a Christian actor. I want to be an actor who also happens to be a Christian or who happens to be. Whatever else those other, you know, kind of indicators are. But with this, with the Unbreakable Boy, with American Underdog, I went after those films.
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Megyn Kelly
It's the Kurt Warner film.
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Zachary Levi
Yes, the Kurt Warner film. You know, those films resonated with me because they were excellent. I could see it on the page. They were excellently written and the team around them wanted to make them excellently. And I love this story, particularly similar to the Kurt Warner film American Underdog. It's a true story. It's a real family and their story. And Scott Larrett, who I play the father and husband, he wrote a book, the Unbreakable Boy, which this film is based on. And he was very brave and very vulnerable in showing just how not great of a father and husband he was for many years.
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Megyn Kelly
He was failing.
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Zachary Levi
He was.
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Megyn Kelly
Because the child has a couple of disabilities or challenges, and he's, you know, no parent understands how to handle that naturally. And so he's very open about how it wasn't easy. Not for sure, no.
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Zachary Levi
And more than that, I mean, you know, he and his wife Teresa, they got pregnant on the third date. Like, that was a massive curveball. It's like, wow, this is not what I was expecting. Right. But they were like, we're gonna see this through. We're gonna do this and. And we'll figure out our relationship as we go. That was hard. That was a curveball simultaneously, during all of this, right. They're not now they're having children. And their first son, as you pointed out, has multiple things going on that he's struggling with. One is osteogenesis imperfecta, which is brittle bones disease, that they. And they find out kind of early on, within the first couple of years. That's crazy. And a massive curveball. Not what he's expecting. And years later, he's presenting very atypically and they find out he's on the autistic spectrum. I think that all of these things are indicative of. Even if those aren't specifically the things that we go through or struggle with in our own lives. We're all. We all have these expectations of what we think our life is supposed to be, how it's supposed to look, how it's supposed to unfold. Scott was already dealing with his own insecurities and unhealed traumas, not really accepting and loving himself. So these things then just pile on, right? We feel like, well, clearly, clearly I'm screwing up. If all of these things, if this is where the universe or God is bringing my way, this is my karma. This is what's happening to me. And I was really grateful that I got to portray him and really bring it to life in a very authentic way. It's not just rainbows and butterflies and feel good. This movie. This movie has lots of that in it and humor and heart, and it's infused with faith, but it allows the audience to go into the grittiness and darkness and hardship that the human condition Brings about what it. What it means to just be human and then tackling marriage and parenthood and all of those things.
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Megyn Kelly
So let's show them a clip so they get a flavor for what we're talking about. Let's watch sod 18 part of the trailer.
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Zachary Levi
Hey, Oz man, Are you sure that's the right hat for your first day? Don't be a goober, Daddy.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, Jester is the best one. It's the Mountain Dew code red of hats. And the best part is the shake stick it.
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Zachary Levi
Oh, do that.
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Megyn Kelly
I'm Austin, but you can call me Oz, man.
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Zachary Levi
Welcome back, everybody. I have a lizard named Marty and the killer hat collection.
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Megyn Kelly
When I meet people, I tell them everything. Logan, this is Tyler. He said we can be best friends. All I have to do is shut up.
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Zachary Levi
Oh, yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
I'm also autistic.
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Zachary Levi
Autism presents itself in many different ways. It's a class for kids with special needs.
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Megyn Kelly
They think that it's time, that it's only going to get worse. Earth to Austin. I think his brain's on another planet. Nope. My brain is right here in my head on Earth.
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Zachary Levi
This is not what I thought he was going to be like. Shoes on. Dad's late for work. Hey, Austin, what are you doing? I feel like I'm failing every day. And the harder I try, the worse I do.
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Megyn Kelly
Honey, your mistakes don't define you.
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Zachary Levi
How you healed us.
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Megyn Kelly
You've given up so much for this family, and you have never stopped fighting for us. Patricia Heaton as the grandmother. I'll watch anything with her. Her values are so intact.
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Zachary Levi
She's so great. She is so solid as a human being, and she's so talented. And.
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Megyn Kelly
And Megan. What's Megan's name?
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Zachary Levi
Megan Fahey.
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Megyn Kelly
She's amazing. She's like a rising star.
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Zachary Levi
She's a rising star. White Lotus Season 2.
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Megyn Kelly
The thing with Nicole Kidman.
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Zachary Levi
The Thing with Nicole Kidman.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, I don't remember the season.
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Zachary Levi
I don't remember either. She was great in that, too.
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Megyn Kelly
The Perfect Couple.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah, she's very talented, and we were very grateful to have her play Teresa. Drew Powell plays my basically best friend in the movie. Peter Facinelli plays our pastor.
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Megyn Kelly
And the child actor, Jacob.
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Zachary Levi
Jacob Lavalle. Yes. Who's here. He's based in New York. He's a wonderful kid. Young man now. I mean, he's crazy talented. Yeah, very talented. And so uniquely perfect for this role because, you know, you're trying to bring a child with autism to life in the most authentic way possible. And also, we were casting in the height of the pandemic, there were a lot of people that were just like, I'm not. I don't want to leave my home. I don't want to chance it. The plague is flying around the world. So everyone that ended up playing these roles was someone that was tailor made and fit perfectly, like, you know, God works this way. I mean, those were the people that were supposed to be in this film with the cast, the crew. And it was a little engine that could. It was a thing that kind of came out of nowhere. As we were preparing to make American Underdog, this was like an added bonus. And then we shot that shot American Underdog. And then we were supposed to. Originally, the movie was supposed to come out three years ago.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, wow.
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Zachary Levi
But because it was a small slice of life, family film, and because a lot of people were still hesitant getting back to theaters even in, you know, beginning of 2022, Lionsgate and I think wisely said, listen, we don't want this thing to get lost. We don't want to get destroyed by these tent pol are the only ones doing well. So let's sit on it. And three years later, here we are.
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Megyn Kelly
So, I mean, I'm sensing a theme in the projects to which you are attracted. I mean, I think anybody would have taken the lead in Shazam. Any actor in Hollywood would have killed for that. But it also has an uplifting message. I mean, like, part of what we loved about it was just how sweet it is, the relationship amongst the family. And also, it made you laugh. Like, I was trying to explain it to my friend. I'm like, it's not like, he's not like this scary superhero. He's funny, he's goofy. You know, you're totally rooting for him. But then, like, the Kurt Warner, American Underdog, that story is amazing. It's one of the best American stories. I think I mentioned this to you last time you were on, but my first husband was obsessed with the LA Rams, and they've moved around anyway, but he was obsessed with Kurt Warner and was reading that autobiography or biography, I can't remember. I think it was his autobiography on our Honeymoon. So I got to know all these facts about Kurt Warner. At first I was like, this is so boring. Stop reading me football excerpts. And by the end, I was like, I'm reading that book right now. You know, who marries a single mother with a child who's challenged and has all sorts of challenging disabilities? No man who's like, on his way up in the football world. You would Think would say, yeah, this is where I wanna park the car. I want in on this situation. But Kurt Warner did. He was backbencher. He only got to play because the first stringer got hurt. And everybody was like, oh, bullshit. Kirk Warners were in. This sucks. And sure enough, it was just such a great story, right? An MVP of the football game. So I'm just sensing a theme in the stories that you select, that they all have heartstrings and they have these like classic American stories.
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Zachary Levi
I mean, I think heart is the most important ingredient in almost any story told. Whether that's a comedy or a drama or a dramedy, or even if you're watching an action movie or, you know, sci fi or whatever, like, are you the audience, able to connect to that character? The first and most important thing you're connecting through is the humanity in that character, which is the heart of that character. I've been very blessed that, you know, a lot of these roles, they come to me. You know, up until Shazam, I couldn't be very picky about the jobs that were coming my way. Now post Shazam, I have more offers. And so I, I have a little more agency in deciding, okay, we'll go this way, we'll go that way, but up to Shazam. I could, I had say over the auditions, I would go on or not, but those jobs are still like, okay, what's. What, what is God going to put in my lap? What role am I about to go and play? And I will say that, you know, maybe it's because I lead with my heart my whole life. I have, I have a really deep empathy and love for all of humanity. And I, and I, and I really mean that. It's not just a, you know, a soundbite or whatever. I just, I. It's one of the reasons why I felt so compelled to even begin speaking, I guess, you know, being more open politically because I felt like not just where I think we needed to go, but guys, we're tearing each other apart. We're not seeing the person across the table as a child of God. We're seeing them as the enemy. We're seeing them as a monster. And I just don't operate that way. I want to be able to go and bring people together as best I can. And as an actor, when I get to tell stories that are so led. Heart led. That get to tell stories that are infused with hope and, and that are inspiring, that, you know, that bring people back to understanding themselves and each other more, I think that you Know, that's a. Those are great opportunities. Is it also fun to go and do things that have nothing to do with that, that are just for fun, just for laughs? Absolutely. I want to do all that stuff, too, but as an actor, I want to. I mean, to me, like, I'm proud of almost everything that I've done in.
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Megyn Kelly
Almost every interesting qualifier there.
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Zachary Levi
Well, I'm proud of everything that I've done.
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Megyn Kelly
I see ground to explore on.
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Zachary Levi
On different levels, Right? On different levels. But what I'm saying is I am particularly proud of this film, in part because I got to play a role that really goes through it. It's not just one level of being, all right, I'm this guy. And not to say that other roles that I've played haven't also had levels and layers, but there's an overall kind of more upbeat, let's say, vibe to Chuck that I did on NBC for years, or Shazam Or Tangled or Harold in the Purple Crayon or whatever. You know, I have so much love for all these projects in one way, shape and form, but to play this real character, similar with American Underdog, you know, Kurt was much more stoic. And so there. There was. There wasn't quite the same roller coaster, like, because Kurt was also just this really, like, solid dude as you're talking about. Like, he wasn't struggling with alcohol. He was struggling with his own. Like, what am I doing? I'm lost in this journey, and I. I feel like God called me to be the next Joe Montana, but that's not happening. And I'm stocking shelves. But I love this woman, and she's got two kids, and I love them, too. And so I'm going to go commit to that, and we'll see where God takes me the rest of the way. Scott is wrestling with God the entire time, putting on a good face. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Charming, this guy. You know, working, but also just losing himself in a bottle because he's drinking away his problems, because that's what so many people struggle with. I mean, alcoholism is rampant.
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Megyn Kelly
Let me show him a little bit of that. We have a bit of that captured in clip 20.
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Zachary Levi
I wish I could enjoy anything as much as my son enjoys everything. I've always held on so tight to things. I don't even know why. I just always needed everything to be a certain way. I talk about an attitude of gratitude. This has never been me. I'm never content. I never have been. I used to think that that made me ambitious, but actually, it just makes me Ungrateful. And I hate that about my. I push everything away, everything and everyone I care about. I don't want to do that anymore. I want to be more like my son.
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Megyn Kelly
And that's. That's him there in a group therapy for alcoholism.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah. Yeah. Oh, sorry.
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Megyn Kelly
No, it's emotional.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah, it is. And I. And I haven't really. I've only seen the movie once.
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Megyn Kelly
Really.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah, we did it when John finished it. We had a screening just like kind of our cast. And it was wonderful. It was fine. It was great to finally see what we had made together. But I haven't seen a lot of these scenes since then. And, you know, and these are things that I have struggled with that I think we all struggle with on some level. Gratitude is massive. It's so absolutely integral to the health and well being of ourselves and those around us to practice gratitude. There's so many amazing studies that have been done, by the way. Like, not just when we practice gratitude, when we see other people. In fact, I think they've shown it's even more powerful if you watch other people be grateful to other people. Like if you're just a fly on the wall and you watch some person help an old lady across the street with her groceries, that in and of itself, you see that old lady grateful to that person, it changes you inside. Like, it's incredible. Right.
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Megyn Kelly
There's quite a line that he has there that you've delivered of. I used to think it made me ambitious.
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Zachary Levi
Ambitious. Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
And then I realized I was just ungrateful. Wow.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah. And that when I read the script and when I was. I mean, that was me. That was me tapping into a lot of my own issues with that. Because obviously we all want to go do well in this world and we want to be ambitious and we. And you want to be successful. There's nothing wrong with any of those things. But if you're not looking at what's right in front of you, right in front of you, right in that moment and being present with that and being grateful for that. And because of that, because he was struggling and feeling like he's failing. Well, when you feel like you're failing, it's very difficult to be grateful for what you've got in front of you because you feel like none of it is good.
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Megyn Kelly
And so they make you. They make you write the list. Now keep a gratitude journal where you must write down three things a day. Is the ideal that you're grateful for. It's the whole exercise of it. But I think it's interesting that you're feeling emotional as you're discussing this because when I read your bio and read up on you in advance of today, the last time we didn't do that, I just thought you were an interesting actor who was getting kind of political and that was interesting. But you're interesting. You've had quite a background and I'm now having gotten to know you a little bit better. It's no mystery at all to me why you've chosen the projects that you've chosen, or why you're doing so well with them, or why you feel emotional now discussing it because you have had your own lifetime of struggles and it's probably what drove you into acting for many reasons. And it's what led to your initial frustration in choosing a profession which is overloaded with rejection right before you made it. And I'm sure there's still some of it now, but the whole journey makes a lot more sense to me.
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Zachary Levi
I mean, yeah, there's, there's, there's no coincidences, right? Like God's using all things. And I really do feel, though, as a. At a very young age, four, three or four years old, I knew that I was going to be an actor.
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Megyn Kelly
Really.
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Zachary Levi
I knew it. I knew it in my memory. I can't explain it. It's like the closest thing I can, I can paint as a picture is imagine when we're with God, God at source in heaven, you know, whatever that other place is. Imagine like there's some kind of mission select screen that we're looking at, like an options of what is the life that my soul is going to go live or something. And as a part of that, there's like stipulations like, okay, you go choose this path. And part of that path is you're going to be an actor and that's going to be a part of the journey that you're going to be on. And that's going to. And I also felt very called from very, very young age to be a leader and to love people and to like, affect positive change in this world and build community. Like, I felt these things in me. I couldn't articulate them in words that would probably make any sense because I didn't have a vocabulary at that time. But the knowing in. Knowing in my knowing and my soul and my purpose and my calling, like, I felt these things. And so I think that was helped along certainly by being the middle boy between two girls in a house that was full of a lot of trauma and me just trying to find an identity and a voice in all of it. But also very early on, I. Knowing people, knowing, like, feeling. You know, having a deep empathy for people, feeling them and how they reacted to things. I knew that a smiling, laughing person felt good on the inside. You know, like, I was tuning into that very young, and I was like, oh, okay, wait a minute. Well, I know how to make people smile and laugh. I do a little joke, I do a little dance. I do a little funny impersonation or whatever, and I can evoke these responses. And making people feel good was like, oh, my. That's the drug I've been addicted to my whole life.
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Megyn Kelly
I read this is, I think, from your book about. You're talking about how with your mom and the glass of water. Can you tell that story about how you just picture a glass of water condensing on the countertop?
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Zachary Levi
Yeah. So my mom, God rest her soul, was really a wonderful, dynamic, beautiful, intelligent, like, wickedly intelligent human being who also dealt with tons of unhealed trauma. And that led her down a road that I think brought upon probably, like, borderline personality with narcissistic tendencies. And that's a very difficult burden for people to handle. This might sound strange, but, like, I actually have a lot of empathy for narcissists. They're some of the most destructive people in the world. That's because they're some of the most destroyed people down inside of themselves. But my mom, as a borderline personality, specifically her moods were always what ruled the moment. So if my mom was in a good mood and I did something wrong, I broke a glass, you know, something that was sitting on the counter, and I accidentally knocked it over, shattered. If she's in a good mood and she's rocking out and she's listening like Bon Jovi or Journey or, you know, the stuff, that she would be in a good mood, she'd be like, oh, man. And, you know, and she'd, okay, what happened? And, you know, but it would be okay. Unfortunately, mom was not in that mood more often than not. And it got worse and worse through her alcoholism and through a lot of other just unhealed trauma. And so you knock that same glass off of the counter, and it is, how dare you, you little shit. You know, like the fangs and the claws and everything would come out. But. Because that's what she learned from her mom, and that's what she learned from somebody, her mom or dad or, you know, this generational trauma. And so you kind of learned.
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Megyn Kelly
You said that, like, you believed. If I Could just be better. If I could just be a more perfect boy, then I could please her.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah, kind of. I mean, but it wasn't. I don't think it ever felt like if I could be more perfect, it was more just like, you start to learn, okay, this is my reality. How do I navigate it? And my mom and stepdad both had kind of impossible. My biological father, who's also passed away, and I love him, but we didn't really have a lot of a relationship. I grew up with my mom and my stepdad. Both of them heavily traumatized people. My stepdad was super traumatized in the ways of having thresholds that were impossible to hit. Like a bar that you could never really get to Very, very, very high standards. And so that became this mission of how do I navig? While simultaneously navigating a target that's constantly moving. It's one thing to have a destabilizing. Yeah, you know, you can have a bar. Like if both parents had this impossible bar, you know, okay, well, it's just. Then it's like perfection. Perfection. You gotta get up there. You gotta go do that thing. But with my mom, there'd be these moments of really beautiful love and grace with the thing. It's like, it's okay. Don't worry about it. And there's where the target is. You're like, okay, I think I'm safe. I guess I'm okay. And then the next day it'd be like, I can't. And you're like, whoa, whoa. The whiplash of it all. So then, you know, as a child, you just start to. To literally, you know, teach yourself or learn ways to navigate that minefield. And it's a difficult minefield. Certainly there was the perfectionism on the other side of things and me. That all kind of became conflated in and of itself. It was gnarly. It was a gnarly experience. But I will say none of that. And many people deal with very similar experiences. None of that makes me a victim. None of that makes me absolved from my stupid behavior that comes out of my trauma. We are all responsible for healing our trauma and responsible for the actions that come out of that. I think the problem starts getting into where we start throwing blame and shame and guilt on people. It's like, you should know better.
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Megyn Kelly
Well, I think it's interesting just as an explanation of your life's choices and of how difficult it must have been for you in the earlier, leaner years of being an actor, you know, because, like, that you Chose a profession that is also destabilizing, not predictable, full of rejection and difficult personalities and probably a fair amount of mental illness. Let's be honest.
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Zachary Levi
Oh, yeah, Rampant.
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Megyn Kelly
That's very interesting.
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Zachary Levi
Rampant.
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Megyn Kelly
You know how they say you marry the best and worst qualities of your parents? It's like kind of what you did in your job choice, 100%.
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Zachary Levi
But again, like I said, I don't think anything's wasted on God. I think that's all kind of part of it. You know, Our job in all of it is to make sure that we become aware of that, Aware of what we need to work on in ourselves. But know that God's still gonna use your trauma and redeem that like he's gonna. I learned so much by growing up in my home with my mom and my stepfather. I got tools that people who grow up in really loving homes may never, ever have.
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Megyn Kelly
That's right.
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Zachary Levi
You know, so I see the silver lining in that, which is, again, doesn't excuse any of that. But he goes, okay, all right. What was God doing in all of that? Why did I choose to go and have this experience in this household if my mission in life or my calling was to go and be this actor? Well, shocker. All of that led me to better understanding again in the midst of a lot of it. Before I went through the healing that I did, I got knocked around by Hollywood. Even now, there are things that can be destructive. But I have worked on myself so much that I can see those who are the traumatizers in my industry and be like, oh, man, they're just lost. They're lost in that. And I want better for them. But simultaneously, I'm not gonna sit around waiting for my industry to become somehow saved. I'm going to go. I've been very actively trying to build an independent movie studio living community for people in my industry to be able to go create art and content and entertainment that is not being scrambled and infused with nonsense agenda. Just make great entertainment for the masses of all the way it used to be. And also simultaneously, if I'm going to go build a studio to go do that and accomplish that mission, well, let's go build a living community into it all so we can give people better lives, because we all deserve that, too. And I think that there are people.
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Megyn Kelly
To get out of California.
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Zachary Levi
Well, I did. I went to Austin. Yeah, yeah. I'm in Austin, Texas.
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Megyn Kelly
And, well, that's an interesting pivot point in your life. When you moved to Austin because your career was going well, you had Started in two series, you'd done multiple projects. You moved to Austin, which everybody loves. You know, we were just talking with, with another guest who moved to Austin. Loved it. But it didn't start off that way. When you got down there, that was sort of your crisis point where you really thought about ending it all, despite the fact that you'd already starred in TV series on primetime television, like, like many actors, I, it wasn't the Holy Grail. It wasn't going to fill up everything. And you got very, very low. So you mentioned this last time we were together, we didn't have a lot of time to talk about it, but can you just talk about how that hit you and how you then got out of that? Because that was before Shazam.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah, it was right before Shazam. Yeah. So, I mean, you know, like the, the bottom line is I was, I was like most people doing what a therapist once told me, a lot of hit and run. Meaning you're not the one doing the hitting, but you are the one doing the running. So you get hit with trauma. You get hit with. And trauma. There's a spectrum of trauma, right? So I know people, a lot of people like to throw it around, like, oh, I've been traumatized and they're, they're not, or whatever, you know, but, but PTSD in war, PTSD kind of stuff is one end of a spectrum. A very intense trauma. There's, there's traumas all the way across the board. You know, mental health is like dental health. You know, you can have a little cavity, you need a full blown root canal. It's all the same type of.
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Megyn Kelly
No, no, no, there's, there's a, there's a now famous clip of J.D. vance and me in 2017 when I did this long profile in him on NBC. It's on YouTube. You can Google. Everybody's seen it at this point. But where we, we kick off the interview by me ticking down. Raised in a house with domestic abuse, check. Raised in a house with alcoholism, check. Raised in a house, a divorce, check. And these are all, all childhood trauma CTEs, childhood trauma experiences. And he's, he had all of them. I mean, like, so you're absolutely right. Like, trauma, maybe one of those could be mild for somebody, could be severe for another, but a bunch of them in the same family leads to kind of massive trauma that must be dealt with at some point.
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Zachary Levi
It must. And, and, and unfortunately, most of us are completely unaware that we're carrying this around. We have no idea. Most people are in this world they're just surviving, right? And we're doing these hit and runs. Things are hitting us and we're just like, all right, I got to pick myself up and I got, I got to keep going because there's not enough time to sit and wallow in this. There's not enough time. I have to go work, I got to put food on the table. I mean, whatever, whatever these reasons are, you keep moving forward. There's also a resilience in that. And I think there's something beautiful about the, the human condition and that we can persevere and we can do these things. But suffice to say, I was heavily traumatized from childhood through my industry, through my own stupid choices, bad relationships, a very short lived marriage that was unhealthy, that I. Unhealthy person going into to begin with. My mom had died in 2015 and we were. I hadn't spoken, really had a relationship with her in 13 years at the time she did die and she died tragically, like alone on a bathroom floor from complications of pneumonia. Like there's all these things that just, and you don't, you don't realize how psychologically damaging they can be or emotionally damaging they can be. And I was just trying to keep going, right, Put on that face, be actor guy, go do conventions. I love fans, I love spending time with everybody. You know, I'm just going to keep doing what I do. Completely unaware of just how broken inside that I was and that I did not have much more gas in my tank. And I, with a head full of steam and dreams, after many, many, many years of knowing that I was supposed to go and buy land somewhere like Austin and go build this new Hollywood and save the world and all of the things that I feel like God's put on my heart, that was the driver. That was the last bit of fuel that I had left in me. And it drove me all the way to Austin and I bought my 75 and I was like, all right, God, I thought in my hubris, I'm like two years top, so I'm going to build this whole city and all this stuff. That was not the plan. And. But also, but also. So I ended up there and everything. I was like, what have I done? I've blown up my life. I'm here alone, living in an Airstream on this land that's 30 minutes outside of Austin. It was gnarly. And by the way, simultaneously I thought, and this is a big factor, I think it's worth mentioning, I thought, you know what I'm also like, physically, I gotta clean up my body. I stopped drinking, I stopped smoking. I was a pack a day smoker for like 15 years. Like, and that's a lot, really. Yeah. And I had also had an Adderall prescription because I have dealt with ADHD and stuff literally my whole life. I was grateful that my mom never put me on anything when I was a child because I think it's important to allow a kid to not have to have that type of thing. However. However I did find it to help me. The problem was that Adderall I was depending on too much and cigarettes and not realizing that really what was down at the bottom of it, that's a dopaminergic dependency. Your dopamine system literally has been hijacked and you need to keep getting dopamine in you just to keep moving forward in life. And I thought in my infinite wisdom, I'm going to cut all this out cold turkey.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh boy.
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Zachary Levi
Holy crap. Combining all that unhealed trauma and all that unhappiness and then literally pulling the rug out from my dopamine system and having no dopamine whatsoever, I fell into the darkest, dark, darkest, deepest hole that I had ever really been in. And I was like, God, I don't want to live anymore. I don't know what to do. I don't even feel like you're real. I don't know where you are. I don't know why you've led me here to die in this darkness. And thank God I had the family and friends and support around me that I needed did to just prop me up enough to then go to this three weeks of super intensive life saving therapy not too far in Connecticut. And it saved my life. It really did. But part of what was life saving about that wasn't just all of this, let's say, clinical information that I was getting with lots of different therapists of different backgrounds in ilk. There was this woman. There were women who worked at this place who were. Were companions. They were like these house moms. They. This place was set up for, you know, CEOs that were like.
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Megyn Kelly
Do you say where you went?
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Zachary Levi
Oh, yeah, Silver Hill. No, no, no, no. It's. It's called Prive Swiss. Prive Swiss.
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Megyn Kelly
Sounds fancy.
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Zachary Levi
It does sound fancy. And by the way. And it's expensive. And that's part of why when I came out of there, I think all.
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Megyn Kelly
Are, frankly, they all are.
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Zachary Levi
But we should change that.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, totally.
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Zachary Levi
With which is what my mission is now is trying to democratize at the very least, mental wellness, you know, mental health services and things so that we can get people, if we can get everybody right in their own heart and mind, they start loving themselves, taking care of themselves, taking care of.
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Megyn Kelly
I had a loved one go into one of these facilities for over a month and it was completely life changing. And, but it was exorbitant. I mean it was extremely expensive. It was like $80,000. And truly no one can afford that. Nobody can afford that unless they have an extraordinary job. And there's no incentive.
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Zachary Levi
People like, sure, but, but we are a rare amount of people. And again, that's why I say thank God I had done well enough in my career where I could afford something that was so costly. But there was one woman there who of all of these, these house moms and they would rotate through and they would basically like take care of you because you were so despondent. They couldn't depend on you to even drive yourself to your own appointments. So like they would have these women who were wonderful that were, you know, either wives or mothers or both that were, were semi retired who had big hearts and that wanted to help these people get through their treatment. And this woman, she prayed for me every day even though she wasn't even supposed to. Like she would pray for me, wasn't supposed to. Well, yeah, I mean in the book, I talk about it in the book, but basically, and I understand by the way, they've also made amendments to their programming because of this and because of the success of it. And I'm very grateful to those folks at print based Swiss for having seen the efficacy of it. But you know, what they wanted to make sure was that nobody was getting, getting conflicting or contradicting therapy or advice. Right? And sometimes you can go to a therapist that's giving you non spiritual, just purely clinical advice, but you might have somebody over here in a spiritual sense being like, well, I don't know about that. You know, let's pray through it or let's do whatever. And unfortunately, I do think a lot of people who are spiritual people, Christian people, they still have this weird, like, I don't know about going to therapy because all the answers I need are in the Bible. I just pray away all of my issues. I don't think that's how that works. Having gone through it myself, I definitely don't think that's how it's.
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Megyn Kelly
No, I went to therapy for years and I had such a great guy. I haven't seen him in a while, but I love him and he gave me so many useful tools to deal with stress or anything. Sadness, conflict. It's just about widening your arsenal. That's what it's about.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah, absolutely. And they can be very complimentary, as they should be. Your spirituality and your spirit and the spiritual wisdoms that are even found in the Bible that are. That are, I think, you know, very much backed up by even a lot of what we're finding in science and clinical science and whatnot. But so because of that, they didn't want anything contradicting itself. So there was kind of a, you know, a rule like, hey, don't get too personal into these types of ways. But this woman saw my heart. She saw who I was, and she is just one of the most wonderful human beings that I've ever met in my entire life. Also a mother. And. And she prayed for me, and she prayed me and loved me back to life. Literally. Like, there was a day that we were. We were driving to one of my. I just got out of one of my appointments, and I was just distraught because I felt like I'm getting nowhere. Nothing is happening. I'm still in this darkness. I still feel like I, you know, what's the point in living? And. And she was praying for me, and she said, hey, just. Just know that, you know, right now I'm. Technically, I'm not supposed to do this. So I. If you said anything like, you know, I could potentially lose my job, and I said, oh, my God, I would never say anything. Please don't stop praying for me. You're one of the only things that's still keeping me alive. I always get emotional at this point. She goes, oh, no, of course, of course. And then we drive for a moment longer, and then she turns back to me. She says, but also know that I would gladly lose my job for you. As a kid who didn't realize that the biggest thing that I was struggling through was not loving myself. And the reason why I wasn't loving myself was because I had never really gotten that from my parents. As much as I know they loved me. Me, they were struggling so deeply that they weren't able to model that or show that to me and my sisters, I think, in the way that they needed to. And so the thing that I struggled with the most in my life was that I didn't think I was even worthy of that love. And this complete stranger to love me, like, legitimately love me, it wasn't like, you know, we all tell people. I tell people all the time, I love you. Strangers. And I mean it. I mean it. I mean it in the way that I believe God calls us to love, like as deeply as to love our enemy and pray for our persecutor. Things we talked about last time, but this one. And like, she was built to be a mom. Loving energy in that moment. Absolutely. For me, like if no other, like guardian angel. Oh my God, like, legitimately, I consider her to be. And so all of that, you know, that's all that came out of me moving to Austin and all of this stuff. And then the irony, or not irony, but the kind of amazing way that God works was I was still in this therapy. I was like a week and a half in. In or two and a half. Two and a half. Two and a half weeks into my three week course, essentially. And I had told my team in Hollywood, my agents and managers, I was like, guys, I am not good. I am going off grid for three weeks to a month. Like, you know, so if anything comes around, just we're put, you know, hit and pause. They're like, awesome. Got it. Cool, cool, cool. Two and a half weeks in. Oh, and sorry. And quickly, prior to me going to this place, two months prior, I had been offered the opportunity to audition for the role of Shazam in the movie Shazam.
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Megyn Kelly
Declined it.
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Zachary Levi
And I declined it because I was like, they're not going to cast me. I'm not. I'm not John Cena. I'm not the Rock. I don't know why they're coming after somebody like me. So I was like, thanks, but no thanks. And I passed again, not knowing that I was in a really low place of self esteem and not believing in myself or whatever. So now, two and a half weeks into therapy, I get this email from my agent or somebody's like, I don't want to bother you. Don't want to bother you. But there's another role. There's a supporting role, very small, like one scene read if you're feeling up to it, but no pressure. Pressure. Oh, yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
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Zachary Levi
Well, the audition for. Not. Not an offer for it.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, yeah. Because you. You didn't think you were gonna get it. You thought this was kind of like a chain jerk.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
So now they come to you two and a half weeks into this Connecticut facility.
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Zachary Levi
Exactly, exactly. And they. It's a supporting role. It's one scene. And that day, I just happened to. That it was a Wednesday. And I just happened to have had the first breakthrough moment where I could see some light at the end of the tunnel. And I see this. This message. I'm like, this is. This is so silly. I, like, I'm supposed to be here and doing this healing. But. But I do believe that that was all meant to be. My agent was supposed to send that because I see this and I'm like, I'm starting to feel a little bit better about myself. I'm confident enough to maybe, you know, put myself on tape for this thing. I go, when do they need this by? And he says, by Friday. So I give myself a couple more days to just. Just to see, like, am I starting to stand back up again? Am I starting to feel myself again? And I was, I was feeling stronger. And so I said, you know what? Screw it, whatever. I, I went to the gym. I came back from the gym. It was in my, my room. I propped my phone up on the dresser, whatever, with a book, you know, this is crazy. And I did one take and I sent one take of this other role. And hours later I'm. My phone's blowing up and my agent's like, dude, not only did they love your read, but they also think you might be right for Shazam, which they have not cast yet. And I'm in therapy, finishing up, wrapping up this therapy. I'm like, what is happening right now? And so then I had to explain, like, they were like, you got to get on a plane, you got to come back to la. I was like, I'm not getting on a plane and coming back to la. I still have a week of like, the follow up, like homework, like all of this stuff. Like, I'd done the bulk of the therapy I needed to do. But there was still.
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Megyn Kelly
They do give you tools to sail away with.
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Zachary Levi
Yes. And I was already picking up these tools along the way, but still, it's like, you wanted to have that last week of like saying your goodbyes and getting the last bits. I'm like, dude, I can't. I'm. In fact, part of the reason why I'm here is because of that industry. I can't just go do that. And he's like, okay, I get it. Let me go talk to, Let me go talk to Warner Brothers. And he comes back and he says, oh, okay, would you do a camera test? But, like, we can do it through, basically, iPads, through Skype. What? So from therapy on Monday then I had a conversation with the director over the weekend. I explained the situation. I was like, I can't put myself on tape reading these scenes. I can't do these with, with my, with my, with my psych psychiatrist. Like, who's going to read off of me? Yes, with Beth. Beth actually probably could have done it, but again, you want, you know, And I'm like, I don't know. So we decided we're going to do this Skype, you know, video camera test through the iPads. I did that on Monday. Monday evening rolls around, phone's blowing up. What? Dude, it's between you and another guy. If you don't come, he's going to get it. If you do come, there's a really good chance that you might get this role. And I went downstairs, it Was Monday evening, I went downstairs and there was Beth. Beth in the book. That's her name in the book.
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Megyn Kelly
She's the one who prayed for you.
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Zachary Levi
Yes. And Beth happened to be working that evening shift. And I go, beth, I don't know what to do here, because I can't tell if this is God. Like, this is. This is the fruit of having done the work that I needed to do and God calling me into this, or if this is the darkness I know it could be. Come back to Hollywood, Zach. We've got a prime role for you. You know, like, whatever. I'm like, what is happening?
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Megyn Kelly
This is a big decision.
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Zachary Levi
It is. It's huge. And so I go. I go downstairs and I go, I don't know what to do. And she's like, let's pray about it. So we prayed about it and we came. We both came out of that prayer and we looked at each other and we're like, I think I'm supposed to do this. And not. Because it was this amazing. Feel good. Oh, go do Shazam. It was actually because we felt peace. It was just peace. And I think that's what we're all looking for all the time. That's where we know we're on the right path. If you're on. If you're on a path, a path that is surrounding you in peace, that's a real good side that God is like, I'm right there with you. You. You know, which is not to say that God is not with us when we're not feeling peace, because sometimes that's very much the situation that we're in.
- [56:11]
Megyn Kelly
Sometimes you need to feel unsettled as a cue that you're not on the right path.
- [56:14]
Zachary Levi
Exactly. Exactly. Your spidey sense is going on. But in this case, it was all about that peace. And so I called my agent and I. And also I went to the Heidi who ran the organization. I was like, hey, I need you to go to all of my therapists, of which they were married, and I need you to make sure that they all sign off that I'm good enough and healthy enough to go and do this. This. Because if any of them says no, then I need to listen to that and do whatever I need to do to make sure. And she went to everybody and they all said, you know, check, he's good. You can go. And so I flew to la. I camera tested on Wednesday. Thursday was off. And then Friday I got a phone call and I was, shazam.
- [56:52]
Megyn Kelly
Do you remember which scene they made you do?
- [56:54]
Zachary Levi
It was three scenes. It was one where I saved Mary. She's, like, walking across the street absentmindedly in a snowplow, almost hits her and kills her. And I go save her as, you know, as grown up Billy. Shazam. Another one was the one between me and Freddie that you saw in the clip of me. I don't even know how to pee in this thing. And then I can't remember what the third one was, but, you know, they were very much the scenes that were in the movie.
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Megyn Kelly
And so set the stage for us. Since nobody listening, virtually nobody has done. Has auditioned to star in a Hollywood movie, much less a, you know, a superhero movie. Is it. What size is the room? How many people are in there? You're walking in. You've just come out of therapy from this intensive program. You land, like, is it an intimidating setting or what? How is it?
- [57:37]
Zachary Levi
Well, fortunately, with film camera testing and things like that, it's not normally a big, like, you know, peanut gallery of people. You got the director, you've got, you know, whoever's operating the camera. You might have some other technicians, the casting director. It's not.
- [57:51]
Megyn Kelly
Who's more important in that setting, the director or the casting director?
- [57:54]
Zachary Levi
No, the director, for sure.
- [57:55]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
- [57:55]
Zachary Levi
Yeah. Because. But the casting director, if they're doing their job well, they're bringing in all of these options for the director to see. But at the end of the day, it's the director's choice.
- [58:02]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
- [58:02]
Zachary Levi
And then obviously, the executives getting to watch whatever that camera test is, because that's why they're filming it, so they can go show the executives and get approval there, too. Ironically, with network television, although it's. I don't know what it is now, but when I was coming up in television, which is the beginning of my career, 98 through, you know, 2012, really, that was way more difficult because with network television, in order to get a role on a show or whatever, you got to go through. You got to go audition for the casting director, then the producers. Then you go to the studio, studio executives. And they're a. Literally, like, you're packed into a room. There's 20 executives sitting in their arms crossed, being like, all right, monkey, make me laugh. You know? Oh, yeah. And then if you pass that, you go to the network and the network is all the network executives and some of the studio executives and the producers and the casting directors, and you're just like, oh, my God. And people.
- [58:50]
Megyn Kelly
Horrifying.
- [58:51]
Zachary Levi
It is. It is horrifying. It is a traumatic experience. I think a lot Of a lot of it now is done by, like, people put themselves on tape themselves and they send those in. But, you know, it was fascinating because there were a lot of people who would just crack under the pressure. Great actors that would have been great on set, but they couldn't do that because it's gnarly. And then there were some people that were really good at doing a network test, but you get them onto a set, they don't know how to build a character. They don't know how to be in a scene. They don't have those particular skill sets. So it was a very interesting process, all of that.
- [59:20]
Megyn Kelly
It was perfect for you because you did have a background in being funny. I mean, and acting in a. Da da.
- [59:25]
Zachary Levi
Listen, I had a lot of background doing lots of theater my whole, whole life. And in theater, you are, you know, things are much bigger and broader. And I did musicals and musical comedies and, you know, all kinds of stuff. And I love being.
- [59:38]
Megyn Kelly
I have a child playing Ursula in the eighth grade play.
- [59:40]
Zachary Levi
Do you?
- [59:41]
Megyn Kelly
Coming up. Coming up.
- [59:42]
Zachary Levi
Very big, unfortunate song.
- [59:44]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, my God, that song is in my head non stop right now. It's a great song.
- [59:47]
Zachary Levi
It's amazing. It's a banger.
- [59:48]
Megyn Kelly
But, yeah. So big things are happening in our house, too. Yeah. We haven't put her through quite that level of scrutiny yet. So you do it, and then how. How soon thereafter they do they tell you you got it?
- [59:58]
Zachary Levi
I mean, it was so from the. I did the first audition for the other role to the time I was. Shazam Was one week. Wow. It was one week. My whole life changed in one week. Not just because of. But very much because of the therapy that I went and did, the work I did.
- [60:14]
Megyn Kelly
Get a consistent return on your investment.
- [60:16]
Zachary Levi
Megan, let me tell you what, like, God is no God. When you really commit to doing something in your life. And now this has happened multiple times over my life. I might be struggling with something, something I'm screwing around with. Cigarettes, booze, girls, whatever it is. And I'm like, I. These are distracting me from my purpose and my goal. God does not wait for you to prove it to him after. Well, let's see how. Let's see if you hold onto this for six months because God knows when you mean it. So if you in that moment be like, I mean this. I'm not going to go pick that up. God's like, oh, okay, yeah, you do mean it.
- [60:50]
Megyn Kelly
I got you.
- [60:50]
Zachary Levi
And so here come those blessings. Because at the end of the day, I think that God absolutely has Tremendous amounts of gifts and blessings that he wants to bestow upon us. It's not that God is like holding it back because, oh, you know, it. God's, I don't believe in this God the taskmaster, you know, naughty and nice list and whatever all that nonsense is. And, you know, holding all of this against us. God's love for us is immense. And God is looking at us like we would look at our children who are like, give me the bigger toy. And it's like, well, you can't even hold the little toy. So if you show me you can hold the little toy. And you know, if you, if you can show me you can pick up that five pound dumbbell, then I'll give you, you a 10, and then I can give you a 20, and then I can give you 50.
- [61:29]
Megyn Kelly
It is like the way we look at our children with the most generous lens and very quick to forgive.
- [61:34]
Zachary Levi
Absolutely, absolutely. And as soon as our child shows that they're responsible enough to level up to whatever this new cool thing would be, driving a car, whatever it is, we want to be able to say yes. Oh, my God. By the way, we're stoked because we see the responsibility growing in them. That they are maturing. That we are maturing. I think when God looks at us and sees us wanting to mature, God's like, oh, praise. Yes. Because look at all of these other things that I wanted to give you, but I've had to. I couldn't because they would crush you. You know, I think that every gift and every blessing comes with power. Literally, the money we're given, the resources we're given, the relationships that we're given, the careers that we're given, all of that comes with power. Gifting, blessing comes with power. And if we've learned nothing else from Spider man, it's with great power comes great responsibility. And it's true. If you want those gifts, then you have to be ready for the power that comes with the responsibility.
- [62:23]
Megyn Kelly
I mean, that's what, what year is this? Like, what point in time is this when. So now you've got. You've gotten cast and you're going to.
- [62:28]
Zachary Levi
Start shooting as Shazam. That was October of 2017. So I had just moved to Austin. I had just had a breakdown. I just went to therapy and then this. By the way, I thought my chance of being a superhero were well, in the rearview mirror. I was already nearly 40 years old at that point, and I had gotten to play the smaller role in the Thor franchise, but it didn't really do much. I was like, all right. I guess that was if I got one chip. And I was very grateful for that, too. Like, I got to be in that world, but. But I was like, I guess that was the chip that I played and Hollywood wasn't banging down my door. So, yeah, it was crazy for that to all happen as quickly as it did.
- [63:06]
Megyn Kelly
So that's seven and a half years ago. And since then, it's been just nonstop. Right? I mean, it's just been. It seems like you've been on a tear.
- [63:13]
Zachary Levi
Yeah. I mean, listen, it all depends on who you're talking to. Like, I have been super blessed that I. Yes. I continue to go on a tear and continue to work and be working on projects that I am very proud of and grateful to be doing the, you know, Shazam As a franchise. The first one did pretty well. The second one didn't. Right. So did those did. All of a sudden, the. The magical doors of Hollywood burst open, and everyone, you know, I got Spielberg being like, get Zachary Levi on the line. We got an Oscar. An Oscar performance we did in four, like. Cause that's what he talks like. Apparently, everyone's from the 1930s in Hollywood. See, now look here, Buster. The y AI otto, the y AI odo. But so, you know, no, those phone calls weren't rolling in, but it's all good. Like, I.
- [63:55]
Megyn Kelly
But you're a working actor doing great project.
- [63:57]
Zachary Levi
Oh, man. Like. Like, my dreams continue to be fulfilled every single day.
- [64:01]
Megyn Kelly
Why did Bill Maher think that you'd been canceled when you went on with him in December?
- [64:05]
Zachary Levi
Well, I mean, because I jokingly, when I got. As you pointed out earlier, I was supporting Bobby Kennedy, then the miracle in Butler, and a bullet that would have changed the history of the world.
- [64:19]
Megyn Kelly
Speaking of God.
- [64:20]
Zachary Levi
Oh, my God. God, yes. And. But because of that, then I think the humility that started to run in Donald Trump in a way that I don't know that even existed prior to that and reaching out to Bobby and creating this alliance. And then I go. And I'm like, okay, I guess I'm. I'm gonna. I'm on the Trump train now, you know, One that I was never on prior, but one that I knew I needed to go beyond because of the state of everything and the team that he was collecting. And so Tulsi had reached out to me and was like, hey, I'm doing. We're doing this town hall with Bobby.
- [64:46]
Megyn Kelly
Why did she reach out to you? Did she see that you were an rfk?
- [64:48]
Zachary Levi
We had run it we had a mutual friend that introduced us this, a trainer, like a phys. You know, a Pete, like a, you know, trainer. That gym that I knew from a gym here in New York who moved to Austin. And we. I said, hey, would you come? And, you know, I want to do a workout. She's like, cool, so should we do a workout? And we're talking about the state of the world. And I'm like, oh, man, that Tulsi Gabbard. I think she's the bee's knees. And she's like, I know Tulsi. I go train Tulsi sometimes. I go, oh, well, I'd love to meet her someday. Cut to a week later, we're sitting down and we're all having coffee, and I'm telling her, I think you're awesome. I love what you stand for. I love that you have the balls to have been Democrat your entire career. But recognize that the party has been lost. The values that it once held, a lot of values that I even agree with have been lost. And you see that those values have transferred over here. And you're supporting Trump. I'm like, that's amazing. I love all that, and I share all these same concerns and I want to be able to help in all of this, but I'm not sure what to do because I'm in Hollywood and that's a wacky thing. Not allowed. I get it.
- [65:42]
Megyn Kelly
Get kicked out.
- [65:43]
Zachary Levi
And like a week later I get a text or a week or two, I don't know what it was. And Tulsi says, listen, we're on the campaign trail for Trump. We're on the campaign trail supporting Trump. Me and Bobby doing town halls. We would love for you to moderate one of those town halls. And I told her, I got to think and pray on this because this is really crossing the Rubicon.
- [66:01]
Megyn Kelly
That is definitely crossing.
- [66:03]
Zachary Levi
But I did, and I felt peace again. I felt peace. I felt peace because I knew that this was more important than saving my career. I think that we too often fall into these paradigms, these thought processes of self preservation, and it is not good. We need to be wise and we want to survive and we want to live and flourish and all those things, but we can't merely make decisions off of, well, I hope nothing bad happens to me.
- [66:27]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, no, that's no way to.
- [66:28]
Zachary Levi
We gotta sacrifice.
- [66:29]
Megyn Kelly
You gotta say, I've told the audience before, when the Trump team asked me to speak for him at his last rally before the vote, you know, the night before Election Day, it is not something a Journalist would normally do, you know, that is crossing a line that you just don't normally cross. And even this whole show, my transformation into more of a pundit, a journalist, too, but, you know, my daily job is more punditry has been an evolution, but that's a bigger line to cross. And I really, same as you, I was like, I don't know if I should cross that. You know, it's like, not because of blowback, but just because it's a before and after moment for me, for sure, as a journalist. But like you just said, I truly did feel called. Even my husband's like, I don't think you should do it, Meg. Nothing against Trump. He was a Trump supporter, but he's like, you know, you don't. Don't want the blowback. It's not a line you have to cross. And I'm like, honey, I gotta do it. I don't know why. I just know I do. And I was so glad I did it right. I didn't feel ashamed, bad. On the precipice of waiting, you know, the gunfire, that was rhetorical. I felt totally empowered and like I was in exactly the right alignment, you know, where I was supposed to be. So I completely relate to what you're saying. But now, for me, the blowback would just be mean articles written about me by my fellow people in the press, which I've had millions of. For you, it could be. That could cost you your career, potentially. At that point, you have to be thinking, it could cost me my career.
- [67:48]
Zachary Levi
Oh, I did. I thought a lot about that, and I prayed a lot about that. And I knew that I had a child that was, you know, coming and on the way. And. Because even then my girlfriend and I knew that we were pregnant, and I was like, okay, well, what am I doing? Like, what. What will all this look like down the road? But again, at the end of the day, first of all, I've known since I was a kid that I was born and called to be a leader. I've known it like. And not like. Not in weird, romantic ways or anything. Like, the world needs help. It needs help. And the only way to go and help the world is to love the world. Like, nobody hating the world is actually going to make it a better place. They're just going to start cutting out the things that they don't like or whatever, and cutting down the people that they don't like. But I really believe that we have to be able to see it as a whole and be like, okay, what can we do. How can we be effective? Change. So I already. Already felt that calling on my life. And then when it came to this, I was like, so what am I worried about? Am I worried if I feel like God is calling me to this? And I did. I was like, I think this is this moment, because I was never trying to just, like, insert myself. I was like, God, if you want me to go and step out in a bigger way, I need you to. I need, you know, give me the call. And the call literally came from Tulsi Gabbard. And. And more than that, I'm very. I very, very much. And I've been preaching for a long time that I think AI is about to destroy my industry.
- [69:10]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
- [69:11]
Zachary Levi
So I was like, so what am I. What. What am I worried? I know. I love Justin Bateman. Oh, my God, I love it. And. But I. I was like, so what am I really afraid of at the end of the day? That I'm somehow going to lose jobs in an industry that I already believe is completely falling apart, and that won't even be creating jobs for me in a few years anyway? Like, come on. If I lose all of my acting career, and I hope I don't. And so far I haven't. And that's why Bill, I think, was going back to the original question, because I jokingly said at the town hall, I said, you know, look, this could make me a pariah. And, you know, I might be.
- [69:44]
Megyn Kelly
I hereby announce my own cancellation.
- [69:45]
Zachary Levi
Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. But it was a joke. But a joke. Knowing what full well that. Who knows? Who knows what the downstream effects would be? But none of that matters. If the world goes off a cliff, what does it matter? You know, that's why I said on the. On the podcast when I talked to you before, what is it to gain the world but lose your soul in the process? Lose our ability to have liberty, Freedom, free speech, like the things that, ironically, people on the other side are all suggesting that Trump is trying to take away, which I'm like, have you. Do you understand free speech speech? I think a lot of people don't understand free speech, that it actually protects hate speech. Stuff that I don't want anyone to say. I don't want any of that to come out of people's mouths. But in order to hold the concept of free speech, we must protect.
- [70:27]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah. Kind of proud that it can, though.
- [70:28]
Zachary Levi
Yes, exactly. You know, and what the ACL used to fight for, which is defending the kkk. Yes, yes. Because we must. We must hold on to these things. Otherwise, democracy, our, Our. Our republic, it all fails. And so, like, listen, I'm not even giving up my life for that. Some people have died for that. Many people have died for that. If anything, my career dies. My acting career that I've been blessed enough to do for 25 years, if that's in the cards for me, then okay, God, if I'm walking with God, God will protect me.
- [70:58]
Megyn Kelly
I think part of the call that you heard and answered was part of a bigger thing that's happening in the country at the same time, which is more and more people feeling that same connection with Trump, with his mental message, with what he actually stands for, not what the left says he stands for, just a new. The dawn of a new day in America where we're no longer obsessed with identity politics and dividing each other based on things we can't control about one another. The very foundation of the Civil Rights act and the 14th amendment and a lot of things that are foundational to our country's evolution that we've been eschewing for the past decade. Plus. And Trump got us back to. He said, we're ready. We are ready to go back to our foundational beliefs on not dividing each other like that and having open debates about controversial subjects and listening to a guy like Bobby Kennedy instead of just dismissing him as a kook and listening to Tulsi Gabbard's different views on the Intelligence Committee, even if they're loathed by. By more Republicans on the panel than they are by the Democrats on the panel. Let's listen. Maybe she's got some good ideas. The whole country was just ready for that. You know, let's, you know, like you do with the Edge of Sketch. Let's just do it. Let's just. Okay, we need a cleanse.
- [72:07]
Zachary Levi
A cleanse and transition. Transparency. Like, why anyone? It's very indicative of those who are complicit in the corruption when they are shouting for the rooftops. No transparency. We shouldn't be looking at these things. Look at how he's tearing everything apart. It's like, no, why don't you want to know what's in all of our drugs and food and water and everything? Why don't you want to know that, by the way? We all deserve to know that. These are our leaders. They're public servants. That is their freaking job. Not to tell us what's good for us and what's right and, oh, you'll know. Whatever information you need to know.
- [72:44]
Megyn Kelly
Annoyed that we want to look underneath the Hood.
- [72:47]
Zachary Levi
They are. And that's why I think a lot of Americans, even people who didn't vote for Trump, his approval ratings are good because they're like, hey, listen, at least the guy's doing what he said he was going to do. And more than that, these were some of the things I was kind of even secretly hoping he was going to do. Because, damn it, we do deserve to know what's going on. And then that's informed consent. Then I'll know, okay, that's what's in a vaccine. That's what's in this drug. That's what's in my Fruit Loops. That's what's it. Okay, now I know what you're about.
- [73:11]
Megyn Kelly
To give your new baby.
- [73:12]
Zachary Levi
Exactly.
- [73:13]
Megyn Kelly
Like, why wouldn't you want to know what you're giving your new baby?
- [73:15]
Zachary Levi
Exactly. And we should be getting into through the Doge of it all. Look, Tulsi, I am so excited for her to be getting into and uncovering all of the secrecy and nonsense and corruption that's been going on in our intelligence agencies. Oh, my God. And everything that's going to be downstream of that. Everything that Bobby's doing with hhs. Oh, my God. Amazing. Doge is also a very important part of how we get to the bottom of this. But I've been trying to tell people, and I, you know, I've been getting. I was at Jesse Waters the other night, trying to unilaterally talk about how we're losing. Yeah. And the people coming up to me saying, oh, you just want Trump voters. I was like, no, I'm listening.
- [73:51]
Megyn Kelly
You made a passing comment. You're saying, people, we have to keep in mind that good people are losing their jobs and not everybody should lose their jobs.
- [73:57]
Zachary Levi
Yeah.
- [73:57]
Megyn Kelly
And in an appeal, I think, to Trump, you know, even MAGA people are losing their jobs.
- [74:01]
Zachary Levi
Exactly.
- [74:01]
Megyn Kelly
And then of course, the left spun that back on. You only care about the MAGA people.
- [74:04]
Zachary Levi
Yeah. And I'm like, guys, I was listing. That's like saying, you know, if, if, if sugary drinks were being taken away. And I would be like, guys, he has to understand he's losing.
- [74:12]
Megyn Kelly
Soda diet was kind of cute that you defended yourself and posted like follow up tweets. Like, no, that's not what I was. I'm well past that point. Like, fuck off. Yeah, listen.
- [74:21]
Zachary Levi
Which I totally understand. And I, and I don't. And I.
- [74:24]
Megyn Kelly
They're not, they're not honest brokers. They don't actually want to hear any explanation.
- [74:27]
Zachary Levi
Understood. But there's a part of Me, I don't. I. When I'm responding to people, I'm actually not like I'm responding to them, but I'm using it as an opportunity to say something important. So it's really just. Seriously, it's like. Because there's other people that might be slightly thinking that, but maybe they're not sure and they're looking for clarification. And if I can go and put that out there, all of a sudden, somebody's like, oh, okay. You know what? I was. I saw this thing, and I was kind of like, what the heck?
- [74:53]
Megyn Kelly
You have a much higher opinion of the dialogue on Twitter on X than I do. I'm like, well, let's go. I almost feel the need to apologize when I say something nice on there. Like, forgive me. I'm just gonna. I'm gonna be nice for a minute, but I really have something lovely to say.
- [75:06]
Zachary Levi
I mean, we got.
- [75:07]
Megyn Kelly
Elon has said he wants it to be nicer.
- [75:09]
Zachary Levi
Yeah. And I think that that's all of us leading by example.
- [75:11]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
- [75:12]
Zachary Levi
And. And again, it's like, it's super easy.
- [75:14]
Megyn Kelly
I'm not obeying my kids. I get that.
- [75:15]
Zachary Levi
But listen. But listen. But that's. But that. I. Trust me when I tell you it takes everything in me to not want to just unleash. Right. Because that's what it does. We're all on the other side of this little keyboard, anonymous or not anonymous or whatever it is, but still, you're not talking to that person face to face. No one would ever say the things that they say on Twitter face to face with that person. They wouldn't do it. So it's. I have to really. My ego wants to be, like, destroy. And I go, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Child of God. Child of God. Child of God. Lost. Lost. Misunderstanding. Coming at me with vile. Calling me a Nazi. Whatever.
- [75:49]
Megyn Kelly
It is literally where they call you a Nazi.
- [75:51]
Zachary Levi
They called me a Nazi. I was like, okay, okay. This person has been programmed to believe these things. They have been lied to by legacy media for far too long. I cannot take my frustration and anger out on someone who is, by the way, not being responsible with their own reaction. But I can see that.
- [76:09]
Megyn Kelly
Yeah, I can see that.
- [76:10]
Zachary Levi
And so I'm gonna try and come in there.
- [76:12]
Megyn Kelly
I'll come in with a little wink.
- [76:13]
Zachary Levi
And rub and speak what is true. And then hopefully that message is not just for them. It's for whoever wants to be.
- [76:19]
Megyn Kelly
She is sweet. You're a much sweeter person than I am. I think the audience knows, though. Now, wait, I know the answer to this, but were you raised Catholic? Christian, yes, but Catholic. I can't remember the denomination.
- [76:30]
Zachary Levi
My mom was raised Catholic.
- [76:31]
Megyn Kelly
Okay.
- [76:32]
Zachary Levi
And because of that, rebelled big time.
- [76:35]
Megyn Kelly
Well, you must be feeling pretty good about your decision in the wake of the Pope. Have you seen that he's weighing in on Trump's immigration policy? He's in the hospital like he could be dying, but he took a moment to condemn the determination to deport. He seems okay, according to a state with those who have committed additional crimes in addition to being here illegally. But he's really upset about us wanting to deport people who are just here illegally. He seems to want us to believe we have some moral obligation to let them stay in the country. This from a man who lives in the Vatican, which is surrounded by a big, big fence. God bless Pope Francis. I don't wish for anything terrible to happen to him. He is very ill in the hospital right now, but I'm sorry. The nerve. This is not what Catholics need right now, which is to have our, you know, the leader of the church scolding the American President for his immigration policy. This is what makes people dislike religion.
- [77:28]
Zachary Levi
Are you Catholic?
- [77:29]
Megyn Kelly
Yes.
- [77:29]
Zachary Levi
Raised Catholic your whole life?
- [77:30]
Megyn Kelly
Yes. Still Catholic. Raising three little Catholics.
- [77:32]
Zachary Levi
Look at you.
- [77:33]
Megyn Kelly
I mean, I almost had my Presbyterian husband over here. I was like, pulling him over. He's like, I'm out.
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Zachary Levi
I think it's the rulers on the knuckles that really scared him away. Listen, and I think that unfortunately, while there are immense amounts of wonderful Catholics who really do love God and love their neighbor and want to do good in this world and have been very positively affected through their relationship with God through the religion of Catholicism, I am not a fan of organized religion. And writ large. Which is also not to say that I don't see the benefits that came from building civilization. Morality, justice, like, you know, these various laws. I understand that. And, and by the way, even, like die hard atheists see this, right? There's a lot of people that, that have come around and recognize, like, I don't believe in any of that stuff, but I see the positive value that it's brought to society, civilization writ large. I, I don't know what's going on with the Pope. I don't really keep a lot of tabs. I did see some of this being spoken about. I'm, I'm more concerned with and wondering just how much that role has become influenced by other agenda.
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Megyn Kelly
I don't know that the Catholic Church getting paid to help all these immigrants. There's that, housing, etc.
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Zachary Levi
There's that. There's that. But also, I. I'm not gonna lie.
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Megyn Kelly
It'S made me think twice about putting money in the basket on Sundays. Like, what am I. What exactly am I supporting?
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Zachary Levi
But I. But I. But I think there's even, unfortunately, more. More murky waters, like, even when it comes to things like the World Economic Forum and Davos and all of those people, like, the.
- [79:23]
Megyn Kelly
I don't want to have to think about that crap. You know what I mean? I don't want my church.
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Zachary Levi
I know you don't want to have to think about that, but you should think about that. We all need to be aware of what is happening in the larger political game that's being played on the earth right now, globally. Being played on the Earth. I. I find it quite disconcerting that the Pope is about to have a symposium summit about, like, health and human thriving and inviting people like Dr. Anthony Fauci. I think that is very. And people from the World Economic Forum and all of this stuff. Now, people can call me a conspiracy theorist and, wow, you're. You know, your tinfoil hats too tight or whatever. I don't care. Guys, like, just go do a little research, dig online, follow the money, do all the things you need to do. There is corruption on the highest level, not just in our country, all around the world. And I don't understand why that would even be going on. I don't understand why the Pope would be like, yeah, you're the people of everything that continues to be revealed. You're the people that should be coming and having this imposing.
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Megyn Kelly
The Pope's not having any meetings in the short term. I mean, he's actually truly not doing well. So, I mean, I'm praying for him. I don't want him to die. I don't want anything bad to happen to him. But he's. He's. He's very elderly, and this is a serious lung problem. I don't know how this is going to go, but, you know, to me, it's actually kind of crazy because we're right in the midst of this Oscar season. One of the films nominated is this conclave, which is absolutely sacrilegious. It's a disgusting film, in my opinion. They make the new Pope. Spoiler alert. Intersex, meaning he has a vagina. It's like, okay, so God forbid the Pope dies and we go through a conclave, which is the process by which they elect the new Pope. Of course. This is like, we're gonna be like, could we make sure it's a man is at a bare minimum? Could we. And it's gonna be an explosive thing for the Catholic Church if and when, I mean, when, when it ultimately happens. Because there's, there is a battle for the soul of the Catholic Church right now between.
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Zachary Levi
There's a battle for the soul of the world.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. People who are, you know, genuinely committed. Look. Who have more conservative views and those who are far left. And we have a far left Pope right now, which has led to the consternation of a lot of die hard Catholics. When it comes to the Latin Mass, there's a lot of issues. All right, wait. I want to shift gears because before we leave, the RFK discussion and God, by the way, this ties it all together. He did take over at the National Institutes of Health at the, at HHS this week, and he made a comment which he's made before, but it doesn't get old on how meaningful it was for him and how important Trump has been really, in changing Bobby Kennedy's life. Listen.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah. For 20 years, I've gotten up every morning on my knees and prayed that God would put me in a position where I can end the childhood chronic disease epidemic in this country. On August 23rd of last year, God sent me President Trump and he gave me. Mr. President. A lot of people told me that I couldn't trust President Trump. I better get it in writing. And we did a handshake and everything that he told me he was going to do, he has done. And I'm so grateful to him. And I've told you before, I genuinely believe that you are a pivotal historical figure and you are going to transform this country. Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
What a moment.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah. Oh, man. I watched it multiple times and I've heard him talk about that before, about, you know, him being in prayer and petition for 20, 20 years. I mean, I can feel it. I cried when, I mean, I cried when I was filming in Eastern Europe, Eurasia, when the election was happening. Like, I think I, I even was, when I was talking to you, I was. Something like that. And so we were up, you know, hours before the US Was up. And so I was seeing the results, the poll results and stuff like that, and I was just like, wow, I can't believe it. This is actually happening. Like, like they were able to keep all of the potential, you know, things at polls and ballot boxes and everything.
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Megyn Kelly
Like, legit, and then getting Bobby across the line.
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Zachary Levi
And so, and that's what I was saying to the other day, to finally. Because, because that was one step and then it's like, okay, but we still got to get Bobby Tulsi, you know. And so the other day I was on a flight home and I'm seeing the confirmation and I just started crying on, on the, the plane because I really do. Like, I know this man, I know him personally and I know that he has the integrity that, that's the exact. And so does Tulsi. To, to go and be a leader that is non corruptible. There are far too many people, even good people. But it's like you dangle that just little bit of like, oh, I could, I mean I'm going to do good, but I'm also going to take a little bit and then that starts with a little bit and there's a little bit of compromise and then it's a little more compromise and a little more compromise and next thing you know, they're not doing any of the good. They're just, you know, enriching themselves with insider trading or whatever it is that they're doing. And this guy means it, he means it. And, and, and I absolutely agree with him. You know, like, I love that even when people saying like, oh, you better getting in writing and you know, don't trust that guy. Trump meant it. Yeah, he meant it. And that should show everybody too. Like yes, he's bullish and Trumpy and all of the things, things that I don't like. I get it. I also understand why people have such a hard time voting for somebody like that. Because you want, you don't want your leader to have certain egotistical aspects about him. Put all that down for just a moment and see the things that he is doing well is doing right. Man of his word. That was a hard confirmation. Both of those were hard. Like not only did the Democrats not want it to happen, but even these rhino Republicans, Mitch McConnell, get that guy out of there as soon as possible. I mean he's just going to freeze himself out of there anyway. But like it happened.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah.
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Zachary Levi
And if that's not God at work to help heal this country in this world, I don't know what is.
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Megyn Kelly
And here it's like, even if you are against Trump, if you're against Bobby Kennedy, whatever you believe about him, like listen to what he's saying he's going to do. Listen and ask yourself, wouldn't this be great? What's so bad about this? Here he is going on in soundbite 8. Take a listen.
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Zachary Levi
We will convene representatives of all viewpoints to study the causes for the drastic rise in chronic disease. Some of the possible factors we will investigate were formally taboo or insufficiently scrutinized. A childhood vaccine schedule, electromagnetic radiation, glyphosate, other pesticides, ultra processed foods, artificial food allergies, SSRI and other psychiatric drugs, pfas, pfoas, microplastics. Nothing is going to be off limits.
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Megyn Kelly
Yes. Praise God.
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Zachary Levi
Hallelujah.
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Megyn Kelly
Exactly.
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Zachary Levi
He hit it all like, isn't that what the right on. But isn't that what someone in his position should have always been doing? Yes. And every one of those regulatory agencies should have always, always been doing. Yes. The FDA should have been on top of all of this. Instead of just taking handouts from lobbyists.
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Megyn Kelly
They're doing studies on like trans fish and Covid vaccines and how many 14th, 15th versions we need. This is exactly it. He hit all the stuff that's unhittable. Who the hell else is talking about EMF and that glycophate? I can never.
- [86:56]
Zachary Levi
Glyphosate.
- [86:57]
Megyn Kelly
I can never pronounce it.
- [86:57]
Zachary Levi
That's all right.
- [86:58]
Megyn Kelly
But they're spraying it all over our wheat, which is why it's in every box of pasta that you buy and you don't even know it's in there. These pesticides that are all over our food. Both parties are guilty. The Republicans represent a lot of farmers, too. We love our farmers. But the farmers too, I'm sure, would love to find some way of getting rid of these toxic chemicals so they don't have to swim in them all day and they can create products that are actually healthy and good for us and taste good. No one's even talking about this other than him.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah. Yeah, it's. It's a. It's a brave new world in the most positive of ways. I. I hope, I believe. I mean, Lord knows there's still people working in the shadows and the darkness that are trying to derail a lot of these things. So I don't think we're out of the woods just yet. There's still a lot of work do right.
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Megyn Kelly
Same as they're going to try to derail every step of doge.
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Zachary Levi
Every, Every, every bit of it. But we must continue to stay in prayer and petition and believing that something really good is happening right now and do it with empathy. Make sure that people are not being just lost in this shuffle. You know, that is my appeal and I meant it and for all people. But I think that these are things that have been long, long, long overdue. Long overdue. And we deserve it. Everyone des of transparency like Light is the best disinfectant. Like, just get in there. Just look at it all. Let's have a real coming to Jesus moment. And we need to do that with all things. We need to bring the American public in on a lot of these things that have been secretive. And no, no, no, we can't tell them, like, rip the band aid off.
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Megyn Kelly
SSRIs talking about that openly. I mean, that has been more out there in the conversation. But it's very bold for the HHS director to say we actually are going to be looking into these. It's just Americans are taking the antidepressants like they're candy and they don't realize why they're not getting better. And then they up the dosage and then they try a. And then they up the dosage there. And there's no actual public health official being really straight with them on the downsides of these drugs and how there might be alternative ways not to rip on those drugs. They have been helpful for a lot of people, but they're not for everybody. And it's the first line of defense. My friend has a daughter in college and she went to like the college counseling place. Cause it can be a difficult adjustment. They try to push an SSRI on her. It's like, for the love of God, maybe just talk to her, do talk therapy, do cognitive behavioral therapy before we just knee jerk give the drug.
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Zachary Levi
Well, absolutely. But, but I, but I think that there's even more effective ways of solving for all of this. And you really got to go to the source. You got to go to the root. Right? Why are SSRI is pushed on everybody so much? It's because there's incentive programs. Why are vaccine and the vaccine schedule pushed on children so hard? Because there's incentives. Why should there be incentives for doctors to push what should just be healthy and natural and good? You shouldn't have to incentivize a doctor to encourage their patients to do something that's been tested and is safe and effective and everything. You just have a doctor say, oh, this is great. So why are you having to pay them X amount of dollars bonus to make sure if they get 95% of their pediatrician, gets 95% of the people in their practice and the children all fully vaccine up and then you give them hundreds of thousands of dollars in return. This is not okay. So I, I think that if we actually start to regulate these, these industries, all of that downstream pushing and stuff, that's all going to kind of start to resolve itself. And once it gets exposed 100%. Moreover, I think when it comes to our farming situation, Listen, maybe under fdr, incentivizing farmers getting out of the Great Depression, there was some, there was some good that they were trying to do with all of that, but all that did was it led to like bad capitalism run amok and people in industrial farming and companies like Monsanto creating glyphosate. Glyphosate and atrazine and all of these things that are poisoning us. Which is why you can literally eat all the bread you want in Europe and you can't eat any bread in the United States.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah, that's the point. We don't have to have this on our wheat. We don't have to eat our pasta.
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Zachary Levi
But what I think like one of the biggest first things that they can do is if instead of incentivizing farmers to do massive monocropping with industrial fertilizer instead start incentivizing farmers. And we, by the way, we must because to, to incentivize farmers to have regenerative organic farms.
- [91:10]
Megyn Kelly
Ron Johnson was just saying that this is a top priority for him.
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Zachary Levi
It has to be Wisconsin. They're onto it because our soil is dead. We only have so many more cycles left because the nutrients have all been sucked out of it through all the industrial fertilizing and the, and the tilling for monocropping. It's destroying our environment. So people that want to solve for all of these things, guys, we can help the environment and help the soil and bring down carbon in the environment. Like all of these things. If we just go to the way we were ought to be doing agriculture and then you don't have to spray it with all the things because there's other by the way, ways to mitigate pests and whatnot. But also that shouldn't be in a truck going 1500 miles to a grocery store that is not local. Grow it and, and sell it and eat it within a few days. That's the way it's supposed to be done when we get back to more locally sourced.
- [91:58]
Megyn Kelly
When you're here and it's so cold all the time, it's very hard to find like that. We do need to import some of our fruit coast to coast vegetables, but we can.
- [92:05]
Zachary Levi
There's ways to even get around that where it's not coming from so far and still grown in more responsible.
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Megyn Kelly
I will be honest that I have not found a great solution for the, for the fruit and vegetable problem like getting it fresh. I was talking to you know, Casey means good energy. She's and her brother Callie, amazing. But I'm like, how do I do that? Because I don't live in California, I can't go to the wonderful farmer's market in the middle of February. It doesn't exist in Connecticut. And even the ones that do don't have the fruits and the vegetables this time of year. And she was like, you can get your own inside farm, you know, that we can get. I don't see that happening. I got to be honest. We got to come up with a different solution, something more greenhouse.
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Zachary Levi
Really awesome greenhouses that people can be building up and around various communities. There's a lot that can be done with that. There are greenhouses that people have been building on the rooftops of buildings in Brooklyn and in New York. That's pretty dope.
- [92:51]
Megyn Kelly
You know who does the indoor farming and does it really well? Elon's brother, Kimball Musk.
- [92:56]
Zachary Levi
Really?
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Megyn Kelly
He's got a crazy indoor farming program. He come on my show on NBC and I was amazed. It's like if he didn't have even Elon is a brother, this guy be super world famous. Everybody would want to talk to him. But it's tough. It's tough when he's your brother. All right, stand back. We'll take a break. We're going to come right back. More with Zach in just a minute. When it comes to grocery shopping and meal planning, it's often stressful and time consuming. Between busy schedules and personal demands, finding the time to shop, plan meals, or cook healthy dishes from scratch is challenging. On top of that, maintaining special dietary needs and health goals can feel overwhelming. But now there's Hungry Root, the easiest way to eat healthy. Hungryroot acts as a personal shopper and nutritionist. Combined, it handles everything from weekly grocery shopping to meal planning, offering personalized recommendations based on individual tastes, preferences and health goals. From smoothies and snacks to full meals, all offerings are healthy with no artificial sweeteners or preservatives. Only top quality ingredients are used, making healthy eating easy and delicious. Take advantage of this exclusive offer. For a limited time, get 40% off your first box. Plus get a free item in every box for Life. Go to hungryroot.com mk and use the code mk that's hungryroot.com mk code mk to get 40% off your first box and a free item of your Choice for Life. Hungryroot.com MK Code MK Parents, let's be honest. Too many kids today are not learning the real history of America. Schools are pushing revisionist narratives or skipping over key ideas altogether. That's why the Tuttle Twins America's history books are so important. These story based books bring our history to life. The good, the bad, the inspiring. So your kids can understand not only the truth about our founders and the Constitution, but also the ideas and the values that shaped it. And in honor of President's Day this week, get your kids the whole America's history set. Don't miss this chance to give your children the education they deserve. Go to tuttletwins.com history right now and grab your set of America's history books in honor of President's Day and this great nation. If we don't teach the next generation what really happened, no one will. Hurry on over to Tuttle Tutorial T t l e twins.com history right now, I'm Megyn Kelly, host of the Megyn Kelly show on SiriusXM. It's your home for open, honest and provocative conversations with the most interesting and important political, legal and cultural figures. Today, you can catch the Megyn Kelly show on Triumph, a SiriusXM channel featuring lots of hosts you may know and probably love. Great people like Dr. Laura. I'm Beck, Nancy Grace, Dave Ramsey and yours truly, Megyn Kelly. You can stream the Megyn Kelly show on SiriusXM at home or anywhere you are. No car required. I do it all the time. I love the SiriusXM app. It has ad free music coverage of every major sport, comedy talk, podcast and more. Subscribe now. Get your first three months for free.
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Zachary Levi
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Megyn Kelly
Oh, so sweet. That is a clip from Zach Levi's new movie. It's called the Unbreakable Boy. It's a great film. It's out this Friday. And in it for the listening audience, you see Zach's character go out on the basketball court with the mascot's head on. Cause his little boy was gonna be the mascot but didn't wanna do it. And the boy's got the rest of the tiger outfit on, just the body part. And with all the dad's crazy dancing and fearlessness out on the court, ultimately a little boy comes out and joins him and has fun. It's classic. Great stuff.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah, yeah. Really proud of this movie. I think it's just, it's very Human. It's very.
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Megyn Kelly
Are people going to the movies again?
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Zachary Levi
Yeah, they are. I mean, listen, that's why Lionsgate felt confident that this was a good time to release it three years ago when it was supposed to come out right after American Underdog. It was supposed to come out, you know, around Valentine's Day of 2022, but people hadn't really been coming back to the theater that much, and they were like, this is a, this is not that bad a movie. Like, it'll get crushed. It'll get lost. And so I think they feel very confidently that people are back in theaters enough. And also, I just think the timing of the story is now, like, this is the type of story and the type of movie that people are looking for.
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Megyn Kelly
So when is your baby due?
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Zachary Levi
First week of April.
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Megyn Kelly
Oh. So congratulations.
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Zachary Levi
Thank you.
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Megyn Kelly
So you've got this movie hitting, and you've got a new baby coming.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
This is your first baby.
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Zachary Levi
Yeah.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. So that's. How are you feeling about that?
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Zachary Levi
Amazing. I don't.
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Megyn Kelly
Scared. Are you feeling overwhelmed?
- [98:20]
Zachary Levi
No, not at all. Yeah. That's Maggie. Oh, she's so beautiful.
- [98:23]
Megyn Kelly
Oh, my gosh. Look at.
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Zachary Levi
And she's going to be such a wonderful mom. No, I'm not scared. I, I, I feel, you know, again, like, God's timing is good. It's perfect. We, it's, it's, it's us that want to fight it and wrestle with it, and it's like, no, no, it can't be this and it can't be that. You know, like Scott in the Unbreakable Boy. But I'm so grateful that even though I've wanted to be a father since I was a kid, like, I've, I've always known it's in my bones. It's in my DNA. And I would have rushed it had I met somebody that, you know, it all clicked or whatever. I wasn't, I was married and, and briefly, very briefly married and divorced, and we did not have children, and we weren't supposed to have children, and I was supposed to have children at this point in my life after I had done a lot of work on myself so that I could love my child as deeply and as holy as I could without spilling as much of my own generational trauma onto that child.
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Megyn Kelly
Do you know if you're having a boy or a girl?
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Zachary Levi
We don't know.
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Megyn Kelly
Yeah. You're letting them be a surprise. I love. Yeah. Do you worry? Like, I know I have a dear friend, and she's come on the show and talked about this openly, so I feel like I can repeat it. But her, it's. She's an actress too, or now she's a newswoman. But Melissa Francis, she starred when she was young in Little House on the Prairie and many other things. She was the next generation of Ingalls along with Jason Bateman. Anyway, she wrote in her book, one of them Diary of a Stage Mother's Daughter, about how her own mother's mental illness and how she worried, you know, like, am I gonna have that? Do I have that anytime? You know, we all feel crazy here, there, you know, in once in a while. But it's different when you have a parent who actually does or did have mental illness. And now I'm sure with it, like your next generation, it's yet another thing. So how do you process that? Or do you just feel like you're good because you worked through, you're not mentally ill, you didn't have what your mom had?
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Zachary Levi
No, but also I look at mental illness as a, As I kind of maybe said before, it's. Mental illness is like Dental illness is like any illness. Well, meaning it's a spectrum, right. Like if you're dealing, if you're waking up and you're just, and you're just like in a funk and you've got some anxiety or some anger or whatever, that's like a little common cold, that's still mental illness. And you could also need a full blown root canal, mental root canal, which is what I needed, which is why I ended up going to the therapy, therapy that I did. Still, mental illness, it's a spectrum, just like physical illness. And so I don't, and I also don't believe that it's something that is ever that's it, that's done, that's fixed, that's forever. In the same way that we have to brush and floss our teeth every single day, you got to brush and floss your heart and your mind every single day. You got to maintain it. It's a maintenance. And if you do that and you do it consistently well, then you don't end up getting these cavities turning into full blown root canals. You can just keep it. In fact, you don't even have to have cavities. You can wake up every day and be grateful. And even when the things are coming at you, you know, meditate, pray, eat well, sleep well, guys, I can't. Sleeping is so integral to your know.
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Megyn Kelly
You'Re about to have a baby.
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Zachary Levi
I understand. Which is also the reason why, thank God we've got a night nurse and there's going to be, there's going to be some help, but nonetheless, yes, there will be sleep that is lost, no doubt. I know that's a part of the process, but I'm prepared for it and I can't wait.
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Megyn Kelly
I think it's only going to triple your blessings. It's going to make you even happier. Yes, you lose sleep. It's so worth. It's a nothing, you know, in the lung. And one, one so easy, ladies, isn't it? One so easy. He's such a cute baby with his just one, one little baby. It's gonna be so fun for you guys.
- [101:51]
Zachary Levi
Well, hopefully we'll have more.
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Megyn Kelly
All the blessings in the world to you.
- [101:53]
Zachary Levi
Thank you so much.
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Megyn Kelly
Thank you for having me for being here. Oh, good luck with it. The movie, the baby, all of it. Zachary Levi, everybody. Check it out. The unbreakable boy this Friday. Thanks for listening to the Megyn Kelly Show. No bs, no agenda and no fear. The IRS is the largest collection agency in the world. And with April 15th fast approaching, it's more aggressive than ever. If you owe back taxes or have unfiled returns, waiting is not enough option. And let's face it, it's stressful. Get this handled. April 15 could mark another tax year that has passed you by. So the smart thing to do is to get ahead of it right now. But listen, never contact the IRS alone. That's crazy talk. Don't do that. Instead, you could let the experts at Tax Network USA handle it for you. Why? Well, not all tax resolution companies are the same. Tax Network USA has a profit preferred direct line to the irs so they know exactly which agents to deal with and which to avoid. That could be very useful to you with proven strategies to settle tax problems in your favor. Whether you owe 10 grand or 10 million. Tax Networks USA's attorneys and negotiators have already resolved over 1 billion in tax debt. Speak with one of their strategists today for free. Don't let the IRS control your future. Call 1-800-958-1000 or visit tnusa.com Megan tnusa.com Megan April 15 is just around the corner. You act now. Get it off your plate before the IRS acts first. Businesses that are selling through the roof.
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