The MeidasTouch Podcast

Episode: Attorney Spencer Kuvin Reacts to Maxwell SCOTUS Decision

Date: October 6, 2025

Featuring: Ben Meiselas (Host), Spencer Kuvin (Attorney for Epstein Survivors)

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the U.S. Supreme Court’s denial to hear Ghislaine Maxwell’s appeal of her sex trafficking conviction. The Meiselas brothers bring on renowned attorney Spencer Kuvin, who represented the first group of Jeffrey Epstein survivors, for expert insights. They break down what this Supreme Court decision means legally, discuss the ongoing search for justice for Epstein’s other co-conspirators, and explore the continuing impact and coverup of Epstein’s crimes. The conversation shifts from legal details to a powerful commentary on the importance of centering survivors, and the disturbing legacy of Epstein and Maxwell's network.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. SCOTUS Denies Maxwell’s Appeal

• What Happened:

  • The Supreme Court denied Ghislaine Maxwell's certiorari petition, refusing to even review her conviction.
  • No dissent, no explanation was given; her name simply appeared on a list of denied cases.
  • This ends her regular appeals, leaving her only the option for a habeas corpus petition.

• Legal Ramifications:

  • The Second Circuit affirmed the lower court's ruling that the 2008 non-prosecution agreement (NPA) reached with Epstein in Florida did not shield Maxwell from prosecution in New York.
  • Maxwell had claimed the NPA protected her, but Spencer Kuvin explained it only applied to specific co-conspirators and limited time/place (“This non prosecution agreement only dealt with certain claims from a period of 2001 to 2007...specifically limited to the Southern District of Florida.” — Kuvin, 04:41).

2. Dissecting the Non-Prosecution Agreement

• Scope and Limitations:

  • The NPA named only four co-conspirators—all women who were close to Epstein—but not Maxwell.
  • Kuvin emphasized Maxwell was, in reality, Epstein’s “number one co-conspirator,” but her name is absent (“her name appears nowhere in that agreement.” — Kuvin, 05:49).
  • The four named (Sarah Kellen, Nadia Marcinkova, Adriana Ross, Leslie Groff) have largely vanished from public view.

• Whereabouts of Other Co-conspirators:

  • Some, like Kellen and Marcinkova, reportedly changed names and careers and are untraceable (“Nobody’s heard from [Adriana Ross and Leslie Groff] to this day.” — Kuvin, 08:10).
  • The hosts express outrage that so many implicated in trafficking remain unaccounted for.

3. Next Steps: Habeas Corpus Petition

• Maxwell’s Remaining Options:

  • Maxwell is expected to file a habeas petition, citing so-called “newly discovered evidence,” likely parroting Trump-aligned conspiracy talking points branding her prosecution a hoax.
  • Kuvin’s Analysis: The arguments are meritless and typical for desperate convicts “throwing spaghetti against a wall to try and see what sticks.” — Kuvin, 10:19
    • “She’s got nothing here. She went through an entire trial and a jury of her peers found her guilty of sex trafficking and lying, by the way. So you’ve got a convicted liar.” — Kuvin, 10:56

• Concerns Raised:

  • The hosts warn the tactic here is politically fueled: “In normal times, a criminal defendant would rush...bring that to a judge and say, guys, this is the government. They're saying my case is a hoax. Clearly, I need a new trial.” — Ben, 09:24
  • They argue most judges will dismiss the claims given the overwhelming established facts.

4. Inside Epstin’s Operations: Evidence and The “Birthday Book”

• The “Birthday Book”

  • A newly released book signed by celebrities and public figures for Epstein’s 50th birthday revealed signatures (including Trump’s, which he now denies) and disturbing imagery.
  • “There was a cartoon of [Trump] giving balloons and candy to little girls. Later...those girls [are] massaging him and down at his private parts...” — Ben, 13:15
  • Kuvin calls the full denial of the signature “absurd” and says denial would “go nowhere in court.” — 13:43
  • The book demonstrates how normalized and joked about the abuse was among the elite, which Kuvin finds “appalling” and says “everyone in the book should lose their job...Hell, [Mendelsohn] should probably be in jail.” — Kuvin, 14:19

• Physical Evidence from Epstein’s Home

  • Kuvin recounts a chilling walkthrough of the Palm Beach home:
    • “There was a secret staircase that would wind up and end up directly inside of Jeffrey Epstein’s bedroom...a massage shower room...off to the left a bathroom...had a dental chair...awful 80’s art deco.” — Kuvin, 16:13
    • The walkthrough was crucial in corroborating victim testimonies.

• Attempted Police Influence:

  • Epstein wrote a $10,000 “donation” check to the local police weeks before their search warrant was executed.
    • “You could see clearly what he was trying to do.” — Kuvin, 18:47

5. The Blackmail Engine: Surveillance, Tapes, and Unanswered Questions

• Epstein as “The Greatest Blackmailer”

  • Howard Lutnick (Commerce Secretary) described Epstein as: “the greatest blackmailer of all time...he must have been blackmailing all of these rich guys.” — 19:38

• The Evidence Vault:

  • Investigators found surveillance camera mounts and missing video equipment in Epstein’s homes.
    • “We know the FBI has it...blur out the girls faces to protect the victims. But let’s see the faces of these perpetrators. Let it be known.” — Kuvin, 22:24
  • The hosts argue the focus should be on videos and photos in the government’s possession.
    • “The world needs to see who’s on these videotapes, who was utilizing Epstein in order to abuse young girls.” — Kuvin, 22:00
    • Bipartisan efforts in Congress (Rep. Ro Khanna and Rep. Thomas Massie) are attempting to force release of these materials.

6. Centering Survivors, Not Politics

• Pushback Against Political Spin:

  • The hosts and Kuvin reflect on how Epstein’s crimes have morphed into a political football, largely due to “the Trump effect,” which distracts from survivors’ stories.
    • “As soon as they brought up his name, it turned into this political issue, which it never was...this was strictly about a rich, powerful pedophile that was sexually abusing and sexually trafficking children.” — Kuvin, 26:39

• The Reality of Abuse:

  • Kuvin evokes the original horror of Epstein and Maxwell’s schemes:
    • “They were hunters. That’s exactly how we always described them. In the original cases, they were hunting young girls so that they could sexually abuse them. And then they were trading those young girls and they were trading them out to other wealthy, powerful men...” — Kuvin, 28:06
    • “This was the most disgusting network of wealth, power, influence, sex that I’d ever seen in now almost 30 years of litigation.” — 28:34

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Maxwell’s Immunity Argument:

  • “She was not named in the non prosecution agreement. I’ve got the non prosecution agreement here. I’ve had it for almost 20 years… her name appears nowhere in that agreement.”
    — Spencer Kuvin, 05:49

• On the Only Remaining Legal Options:

  • “She’s got absolutely nothing. She went through an entire trial and a jury of her peers found her guilty of sex trafficking and lying, by the way. So you’ve got a convicted liar. So I don’t know what they hope to get out of her in this deposition.” — Spencer Kuvin, 10:56

• On the “Birthday Book” Evidence:

  • “There was a cartoon of [Trump] giving balloons and candy to little girls. Then...massaging him...” — Ben, 13:15
  • “Everyone in that book should lose their job. It’s just absolutely appalling that this many very reputable, very famous people were aware of Epstein's proclivities and were just joking about it back then.” — Spencer Kuvin, 14:03

• On Surveillance and Blackmail:

  • “We know the FBI has [the videos]. We gotta assume that they watched it and that some agent at the FBI or multiple agents have created internal memos...We need the internal memos...who they’ve identified, and we need to see the videotapes...” — Spencer Kuvin, 24:06

• On Survivor Experience:

  • “They were hunters. That’s exactly how we always described them. In the original cases, they were hunting young girls so that they could sexually abuse them. And then they were trading those young girls...to other wealthy, powerful men...” — Spencer Kuvin, 28:06

Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment | |-----------|---------| | 00:30 | SCOTUS denies Maxwell appeal: Host legal breakdown | | 04:41 | Spencer Kuvin explains the non-prosecution agreement, co-conspirators | | 08:20 | Maxwell’s next legal moves and habeas petition discussion | | 13:15 | “Birthday book,” disturbing imagery and elite complicity | | 15:56 | Inside Epstein’s Palm Beach house — evidence walkthrough | | 18:47 | Epstein’s attempts to influence police | | 19:38 | Epstein as a blackmailer; Howard Lutnick’s perspective | | 22:12 | FBI possession of tapes and the need for full disclosure | | 26:39 | Survivor-centric view; why politicization is harmful | | 28:06 | The reality of grooming and trafficking as described by survivors |

Tone and Conclusion

The conversation skillfully blends legal acumen with moral clarity and outrage. The Meiselas brothers’ urgent, sometimes incredulous tone is balanced by Spencer Kuvin’s matter-of-fact, survivor-centered legal perspective. The episode ends on a call to truth and accountability:

“Everyone needs to know this information is important to the world so that something like this can never happen again.” — Spencer Kuvin, 29:45

The episode is essential listening for anyone seeking insight into the legal, ethical, and human stakes of the Maxwell/Epstein saga—reminding listeners that this story is, above all, about the survivors and exposing dangerous systems of power and abuse.