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o o.com Canada is absolutely furious. And they are also not hesitating to punch back at Donald Trump and his despicable regime. I caught up with former Canadian Member of Parliament Charlie Angus and was talking to him about Donald Trump's disastrous appearance at the G7. By the way, did you see Prime Minister Carney basically serving as the leader of the free world at the G7? Do you see how he had to approach a very addled and cognitively and physically deteriorating Donald Trump to say, donald, what's the matter? You shouldn't be upset that we're now bringing in Chinese electric vehicles? We're doing with a cap, Donald with a cap. You understand what I'm saying, Donald? Let me first show you what Prime Minister Carney had to say to Donald Trump. Kind of speaking to Trump as though he was speaking to someone deteriorating in hospice care. And I'm not trying to make light of it. I mean, that's kind of what we're seeing. And then I want to bring in Charlie Angus, who leads Midas Canada, because he had a profound observation that I want to talk to him about. Let me just remind you what Prime Minister Carney did to Donald trump at the G7. Let's play it. All right now. I want to share with you my interview with former Member of Parliament. Great guy leads Midas Canada, Charlie Angus. And Charlie Angus had this profound observation. He explained how Donald Trump is just like the Caesars of Rome, but how Trump skipped right to Nero and, and has the United States burning while Donald Trump is out there engaging in these cruel public shows of, frankly, humiliation. And one of the things that Angus brings up, which is such a great point, is that Donald Trump debasing everybody around him and bringing people into this depravity and this immorality and just despicable behavior is all part of the plan of control. So here's what Charlie Angus says first, comparing Donald Trump to Nero. Powerful words indeed. Here's the first one. He says, let's play it.
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But there's something else that sets him apart from the modern spin dictators that we see, and that is his demand for spectacle, his love of cruelty and public humiliation. It puts him very much in the realm of the debased Caesars in the years when the Republic fell. So I wrote this article about him as the American Caesar, as American Nero well over a year ago, but I'm of course not the first person to notice. Senator Claude Malau in March 2025 warned Europe that they could no longer trust the United States because of Trump as American Caesar. He wrote, Trump's message is that being his ally serves no purpose because he will not defend you. Washington has become Nero's court with an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers and a buffoon on ketamine, Elon Musk in charge of purging the civil service. What I think is really interesting about Senator Malruse analysis is the message to the rest of the world is you can't trust them. You can't trust the United States. They are no longer allies because they become like Nero's court, this debauched, self centered world where the courtiers and the vassals kiss the ring of this debauched gangster. And that's certainly what we're seeing. This is why Prime Minister Carney's speech in Dublin this past weekend, while Donald Trump was setting up the cage match, Prime Minister Carney talking about a new world vision, that we really need to get together with the middle powers, the democratic powers, and that as Canadians, we have to start really get getting serious about defending ourselves and creating our own sustainable democracy because we're watching the fall of the American empire and it is happening in real time now and then
Ben (Host/Interviewer)
More how he describes Donald Trump like the Caesars in Nero. Let's play it.
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When I wrote about Trump as American Caesar well over a year ago, of course there were no gladiator games yet and I wasn't being prescient on this. You know, Hannah Arendt writes about the banality of evil, but I think one of the most obvious things about the banality of evil is how predictable it is. I mean, there's nothing imaginative in the gangsters, in the torturers, in the con men, in the narcissists who perpetuate this evil on the world. They follow the same patterns again and again and again because they are not men with vision. They're depraved. So Donald Trump falling to the idea of the all powerful and then what? Leading to the gladiator games next. Of course, I mean, it is a predictable outcome, just like his deportation centers and concentration camps are a predictable outcome of the fascist playbook. You know, there is something inherent in the United States democratic system that leads us towards Caesars. I'm from the Westminster parliamentary system that comes out of the uk, the Canadian parliamentary system is very much similar, just like, you know, our similar systems in many of the Commonwealth countries around the world. The United States revolutionary founding fathers came together. They, of course, rejected the Westminster system, so they had to find another model. It's interesting. They didn't look to the Athenian democracy. They looked to the more brutal version of the Roman Republic. You can see the Roman symbolism everywhere in Washington, with the kind of architecture that's there, the laurel wreaths that are on the speaker's rostum. The eagle, it was the Roman eagle. And of course, there's the American eagle. Cincinnati, of course, the city named after Cincinnatus. And Cincinnatus was a symbol of virtue in public life, how George Washington was the modern Cincinnatus. And then they talk about Cicero. But the fact is, is that as a republic, it wasn't very good at maintaining itself because it was overtaken by the Caesars. And we know that the American far right for a long time have been moving with this bogus notion that they. That America isn't a democracy, it's a republic. What they wanted was a Republican strongman. This is why this American Supreme Court, with its Republican pointed choices, have pulled away all the legal restraints on Donald Trump. It was to make the American Caesar the American Republican powerhouse. Maybe they were thinking they were going to get Augustus Caesar, Augustus or Tiberius, and they didn't think what they were going to then get Nero and Caligula, because Donald Trump skipped the others and went straight to the darkness now.
Ben (Host/Interviewer)
And right here you have Charlie Angus from Midas, Canada, just brings it home. Let's play it.
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This is not simply about Trump being just a really dark, evil, corrupt narcissist. There's a method in his madness. It's about the politics of complicity. I think what you see with Trump again and again and again is how he takes. He forces his supporters and his opponents to go along with his depravity. You know, the American Evangelical Church, the American Christian Church that are all loving Jesus and loving Trump, and he's putting out these memes of him as Jesus. I mean, this is obviously such blasphemy. But what he's doing is he's seeing how far they'll go along with him, because once they go along with him, then they're complicit. It's like, as the Epstein files were taking down Prince Andrew and causing major, major questions about Donald Trump, he was hosting parties at Mar a Lago with teenage girls half naked in giant champagne glasses. He is using the politics of debauchery and degradation to force those who should be speaking up and remain silent. He makes them complicit in the debauchery and the debasement of American public life as well. There's another thing about the notion of the Roman Republic that I think is really important here. Edward Gibbons, in the book the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, writes that the Roman leaders in the Senate and those in public life were supposed to represent a notion of public virtue. I mean, they may not have been the nicest guys or the most morally upstanding people behind the scenes, but in public, the notion was public virtue. And this is something that has really been at the heart of the notion of the American president of public virtue. I mean, everybody remembers John F. Kennedy saying, you know, ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. They remember that way more than all the stuff that was going behind the scenes with Kennedy and his women, he represented a notion of public virtue that even today, people remember the inspiration and the hope. Donald Trump is the exact opposite. Donald Trump degrades the notion of public virtue. He spits on it. So his 80th birthday party, which he claims is also the 250th birthday party of the United States, the idea of these gladiatorial games wasn't about him feeding his base. I think that's bogus. I don't think his base asked for him to do a cage match. If Donald Trump said, On my 80th birthday, I am going to invest with all my money in, in the largest and the best children's hospital in the world, and all children in the United States who need help are going to be able to go there. People would love it. They would love it. Across the political spectrum, his mega base would love it. Even people who hate him would have to say, well, that's a pretty good gift to give. But Donald Trump didn't offer them that. What he's saying is, on the 250th anniversary of the founding of the Republic, the only thing you're getting is a cage match. The only thing you're getting is debasement, and what are you going to do about it? And if you do nothing about it, then he wins. This is why this continual debasement of public life is, in fact, a provocation to see if anyone is going to step up. Come on, folks, we got to step up. We got to say no to the American Caesar, because we know that it is going to get a lot worse. If we don't stop it now, if we don't step up, if we don't call on the elected leaders and church leaders and civic leaders to shut this guy down, then it goes much worse. And that's when they start feeding people to the lions.
Ben (Host/Interviewer)
And I'll share with you what the former Deputy Prime Minister John Manley had to say about his observations at the G7.
John Manley
Let's play it we used to always refer to the president of the United States as the the leader of the free world. Donald Trump is not the leader of anything other than about the 37% of Americans that still support him. He's not the leader of the free world. Not, certainly not the leader of any other country. If anything, intellectually at least, Mark Carney has become the leader of the free world, the countries that believe in democracy and the rule of law. And I think it's going to be important, important for him to build on those relationships both out of Canada's, Canada's geopolitical interests as well as Canada's economic interests.
Ben (Host/Interviewer)
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Date: June 20, 2026
Host(s): Ben Meiselas (with Brett and Jordy Meiselas, discussed in intro)
Featured Guests: Charlie Angus (Former Canadian MP, Midas Canada); John Manley (Former Deputy Prime Minister, audio clip)
In this episode, Ben Meiselas takes the lead in dissecting international reactions to Donald Trump's controversial presence at the recent G7 summit. The focus centers on Canadian responses—through exclusive conversations with former MP Charlie Angus (leader at Midas Canada)—and how Trump’s actions compare to notorious historical rulers. The episode contrasts the leadership of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney with Trump’s conduct, and delivers pointed commentary on the state of democracy and public life in the US.
Charlie Angus [06:27]:
“Washington has become Nero's court with an incendiary emperor, submissive courtiers and a buffoon on ketamine, Elon Musk in charge of purging the civil service.”
Charlie Angus [09:57]:
“Donald Trump skipped the others and went straight to the darkness.”
Charlie Angus [12:42]:
“Donald Trump is the exact opposite. Donald Trump degrades the notion of public virtue. He spits on it.”
Charlie Angus [13:50]:
“We got to say no to the American Caesar, because we know that it is going to get a lot worse. If we don't stop it now… that’s when they start feeding people to the lions.”
John Manley [14:31]:
“Donald Trump is not the leader of anything other than about the 37% of Americans that still support him. He’s not the leader of the free world... If anything, intellectually at least, Mark Carney has become the leader of the free world, the countries that believe in democracy and the rule of law.”
This episode is rich in historical analogy and international perspective, providing both a scathing critique of Trumpism and a rallying cry for democratic action. For listeners who want to understand how America’s allies—and particularly Canada—are appraising the current state of US leadership, this discussion is essential listening.