Debbie Mucarsel-Powell on Trump’s Attack on Florida

Summary

Podcast Summary: Debbie Mercosel-Powell on Trump’s Attack on Florida

Podcast Information:

• Title: The MeidasTouch Podcast
• Host/Author: MeidasTouch Network
• Episode: Debbie Mercosel-Powell on Trump’s Attack on Florida
• Release Date: July 30, 2025

Guests:

• Debbie Mercosel-Powell: Former Democratic Congresswoman from Florida's 26th district, immigration advocate, and critic of current administration policies.

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Introduction

In this episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast, hosts Ben and Brett Meiselas engage in a profound discussion with Debbie Mercosel-Powell, a former Democratic Congresswoman from Florida. The conversation centers around former President Donald Trump's aggressive immigration policies in Florida, the impact on Latino communities, and the broader implications for democracy and civil rights in the United States.

Trump's Attack on Florida's Immigration Policies

Ben initiates the discussion by highlighting the chaos in Florida due to the Trump administration's aggressive stance on immigration, particularly focusing on the operation of the detention facility dubbed "Alligator Alcatraz."

• Ben ([00:49]): "Total chaos continues to break loose in Florida and frankly throughout the country."

Debbie provides context on how these policies have intensified under Governor Ron DeSantis, emphasizing the militarization and harsh treatment of immigrants.

• Debbie ([03:04]): "We have now worked those things out and we should be starting that on."

Alligator Alcatraz and Current Immigration Enforcement

The conversation delves into the specifics of Alligator Alcatraz, a detention center criticized for its conditions and treatment of immigrants.

• Debbie ([02:24]): "The governor says that they've officially started flying immigrants out of Alligator Alcatraz and out of the country."

Ben expresses frustration over the lack of transparency and access for the media to the facility.

• Ben ([02:59]): "But we didn't get to see it today."

Impact on Latino Communities and Political Responses

Debbie Mercosel-Powell shares her experiences and observations on how these immigration policies disproportionately affect Latino communities in Florida.

• Debbie ([07:04]): "Latinos, unfortunately, are racist... there is racial discrimination, particularly against Latinos."

She criticizes Latino politicians like Carlos Jimenez and Maria Salazar for enabling these harmful policies despite their immigrant backgrounds.

• Debbie ([12:44]): "She could care less. What do Carlos Jimenez and Maria Salazar care about? They want to hold their seats for that tiny bit of power."

Dignity Act and Legislative Actions

The discussion shifts to the Dignity Act, crafted by Maria Salazar, aimed at comprehensive immigration reform. Debbie critiques the effectiveness and sincerity behind such legislative efforts.

• Ben ([12:38]): "I wrote the Dignity Act. She says she wrote the Dignity Act. So it was all good. What do you make of that?"

• Debbie ([12:44]): "This Dignity act is just a way for her to protect herself because she knows that she's very vulnerable in the next midterm election. She's lying."

The Role of Disinformation and Media Influence

Debbie emphasizes the rampant disinformation targeting Latino communities through mainstream Spanish language radio stations, which perpetuate harmful stereotypes and misinformation about immigrants.

• Debbie ([16:41]): "They only detaining criminals. So they keep hearing that thinking, okay, so this is not going to affect me."

She advocates for lifting up Latino voices within the Democratic Party to combat this disinformation.

• Debbie ([16:41]): "We need to first of all lift up Latino voices within our own party, which I have not seen for, you know, even during the presidential campaign."

Dangers of Political Violence and AI Disinformation

The hosts and Debbie discuss the alarming rise of political violence fueled by disinformation, including the use of AI-generated fake videos that incite hatred and violence.

• Debbie ([21:08]): "When I saw that video, it sent chills down my spine because I know that that rhetoric eventually translates into physical acts of violence."

She underscores the national security threat posed by such actions and the urgent need to denounce hate speech and fake information.

• Debbie ([21:08]): "This is a matter of national security... we have to work together to try to bring back some of the decency, the transparency that we have for over 200 years."

Debbie Mercosel-Powell's Initiatives and Solutions

Debbie outlines her proactive efforts to address these challenges through the Democracy Mobilization Project, aiming to engage communities, provide accurate information, and empower Latino voices.

• Debbie ([23:28]): "I'm starting the Democracy Mobilization Project, which is really being on the ground having conversations with people about issues so that we can bring them along and they have the appropriate information to make the choices when they have to elect the next generation of leaders."

She highlights successful initiatives like immigration town halls at Florida International University (FIU), emphasizing the community's demand for more accessible and truthful information.

• Debbie ([23:28]): "People want leaders that are going to come to them, present in their communities, giving them accurate information."

Conclusion

The episode concludes with Debbie urging listeners to support her initiatives and stay informed through her social media channels. She emphasizes the critical need for collective action to preserve American values, protect civil rights, and combat the destructive impact of divisive and misleading political rhetoric.

• Debbie ([24:12]): "Whether you're Latino or not... this is about constitutional civil rights in America and whether this country is going to stand up for everyone living in this country."

Ben and Brett commend Debbie for her insightful contributions and encourage the audience to engage with her ongoing projects to foster a more informed and united community.

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Notable Quotes:

• Ben ([00:49]): "Total chaos continues to break loose in Florida and frankly throughout the country."
• Debbie ([07:04]): "Latinos, unfortunately, are racist... there is racial discrimination, particularly against Latinos."
• Debbie ([12:44]): "She could care less. What do Carlos Jimenez and Maria Salazar care about? They want to hold their seats for that tiny bit of power."
• Debbie ([16:41]): "They only detaining criminals. So they keep hearing that thinking, okay, so this is not going to affect me."
• Debbie ([21:08]): "This is a matter of national security... we have to work together to try to bring back some of the decency, the transparency that we have for over 200 years."
• Debbie ([23:28]): "I'm starting the Democracy Mobilization Project... People want leaders that are going to come to them, present in their communities, giving them accurate information."

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Conclusion: This episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast provides a critical examination of the current state of immigration enforcement in Florida under the Trump administration, highlighting the detrimental effects on Latino communities and the broader democratic fabric. Through Debbie Mercosel-Powell's firsthand experiences and proactive initiatives, the podcast underscores the urgent need for accurate information, community engagement, and steadfast opposition to discriminatory policies and disinformation.

Transcript

[Ben]

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[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

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[Ben]

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[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

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[Ben]

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[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

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[Ben]

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[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

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[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

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[Ben]

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[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Good afternoon and thank you for joining us. I'm Naja Sherman. The governor says there have been a number of flights out of the facility over the last few days and hundreds of illegal immigrants have been sent away. CBS News Miami's Morgan Reiner is in Ochopi with more on what the governor had to say about the facility. The governor says that they've officially started flying immigrants out of Alligator Alcatraz and out of the country. And he said to expect that to ramp up, the Department of Emergency Management shuttled buses full of journalists inside of Alligator Alcatraz.

[Ben]

I'm pleased to report that those flights out of Alligator Alcatraz by DHS have begun.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Where his message and everyone else's standing up next to him was clear. You better leave the country if you're here illegally.

[Ben]

And if there's any illegal immigrant listening to my voice right now, self deport, use the app. We will get you home. Do not come here because you will remove be removed.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

There have been concerns over treatment of immigrants like the fact that attorneys have not been able to access their clients here.

[Ben]

We had some technology issues. We have now worked those things out and we should be starting that on.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Monday or living conditions.

[Ben]

Hot meal service three times a day, not gray turkey, by the way. Full medical care including 247 clinic and pharmacy, indoor and outdoor recreational space, laundry, legal and clergy services, air conditioned detention, housing units.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

And while they, they say they have it all, we didn't get to see it today. You can see the governor's plane right behind me and where I'm standing, that's where he spoke to the media. So the media asked him in the name of transparency, why weren't we allowed inside of the actual facilities?

[Ben]

This is not a spectacle, okay? You don't get to go into other facilities willy nilly either. I mean that's just the reality of the situation. I think they have a job to do here.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

I also asked the governor where these immigrants are being deported to places like El Salvador, back to their country of origin.

[Ben]

That's a question for dhs. As I said, they've got processes that they go through. They can do a direct deportation from here they can do to one of the hubs and then the hub can take them. And I know that they have used El Salvador. I mean it's so clownish and it would be a parody if this wasn't so real and so lethal. And they're also taking away people's protected status in the area. So hundreds of thousands of Venezuelans and Cubans and Haitians who were here lawfully, if they don't self deport, and you heard it right there, they end up in a concentration camp called Alligator Alcatraz. And it almost seems like they were like mocking the press and mocking the whole situation and just enjoying the torturing of people. But I want to focus our attention to the Congress members, you know, in that area. And a lot of these Congress members are Cuban Americans, people whose family fled Castro or Venezuelans, people who Fled the authoritarian regimes there. And then they weaponize that to say anyone who's a Democrat is a socialist. And they're like, Castro. And you should trust Donald Trump. Trump's worse than Castro. Trump's worse than Chavez. And like, let me just show you an example. This was Carlos Jimenez. He posted this back in 2024. I will not be intimidated by the socialist Democrats. The left calls anyone who supports border security and legal immigration a racist. I'm a Cuban exile and illegal immigrant and a legal immigrant to this country. Legal. That bull will never fly with me. Let me just show you a short portion of, like, what they. How they say, like, you call me a racist here.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

This. I believe that immigration should be legal immigration.

[Ben]

I disagree with illegal immigration.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

You think I'm a racist?

[Ben]

No. When we talk about the ballot proposition, if I was to enforce.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

I'm sorry, I'm asking you about me. I'm asking you about me.

[Ben]

Do you think I'm a racist because I believe in legal immigration and not illegal immigration. Speak Spanish.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

They speak Spanish.

[Ben]

Hispanic last names, Hispanic characteristics. It's been that way for hundreds.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Okay, so you believe I'm a racist.

[Ben]

All right, let's bring in former Democratic Congresswoman Debbie Mercosau Powell. Congresswoman, you saw those tactics there from Carlos Jimenez. You know them better than anybody. He used those tactics against you in the 2020 election, and he took your congressional seat in Florida's 26th. He called you a socialist, the leftist. He compared you to the Communist dictatorship in Cuba. And that was unfortunately effective with voters in that they were, like, intimidated and fearful of that. And so you've seen this firsthand. You see what we're going through now. I really just wanted to pick your brain on this moment, but with your experience from. From your race when you lost in 2020, based on all this crap, and now you see what they're doing. What do you make of it all?

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Oh, God, Ben. It's painful to listen to Carlos Jimenez speak. First of all, I have some news for Carlos Jimenez. I think that most people know this, but Latinos, unfortunately, are racist. Many Latinos, the Latino community have grown up with these misperceptions on criminalizing Native Americans. In some of our countries, black Americans, there's a lot of racial tension between black communities and Latino communities, especially in some areas in Florida. So, Carlos, please stop with the hypocrisy and trying to act all tough when he knows the truth. There is racial discrimination, particularly against Latinos. With what we're watching right now, with the attacks against immigrants and why is that? Because, unfortunately, it's a very vulnerable population. Tens of thousands of immigrant families are trying to go through the legal process, seeking asylum, seeking temporary protected status, parole programs that were passed under President Biden, which gives a lot of the immigrants that are here this pathway to remain legally so that they can go through a vetting process which protects public safety and at the same time provides job opportunities for so many that are here actually cultivating the food that we're eating. And not only that, I mean, living in South Florida. And he's such a hypocrite. Let me just keep saying that, because he knows very well that our community in South Florida has been built by immigrants, many who came here without legal papers, many of them that were able to obtain legal papers after going through some of these vetting processes or in some of these programs that I just mentioned. And they are actually entrepreneurs who are providing jobs, who are contributing billions, billions into Florida's economy. And all of these men acting so tough, including Governor Ron DeSantis. Well, the interesting part is that when you see these images of so many immigrants being detained, a lot of these images are happening in blue states. And you're not seeing these mass detentions in an area where we know that there are tens of thousands of workers working without permit, without papers, but they're working for many Republican owned businesses, whether they're in the agricultural sector, in the tourism sector, restaurants, and they don't want to disrupt that. A lot of these Republican owned businesses provide money to their campaigns. And so they're hypocrites. They are demonizing an entire group of people which they are a part of. Carlos Jimenez is an immigrant himself. I came here to this country when I was 14 years old. My mother brought my sisters and I to give us those opportunities, to give us the American freedom that so many of us need. Because I grew up watching a military dictatorship. So many people are fleeing political violence, famine. They're looking for the American dream. And now they're being treated like animals and it has to stop.

[Ben]

So I showed you there Carlos Jimenez. And now I'm gonna show you Congresswoman Maria Salazar, also Cuban. Her family fled the dictatorship as well. She was a TV show host on the local news there. And she promised the Cuban population and the Venezuelan population and other immigrant populations there, you have nothing to worry about when it comes to Donald Trump. She said, I have the dignity act and I've showed the dignity act to Donald Trump. You are protected. And then a PBS reporter. Now Trump regime is defunding PBS but the PBS reporter goes and asks her, but, you know, I see everybody holding up those signs that say mass deportation. I don't see any asterisks next to them. Are you sure? And she goes, don't worry. My people are protected here. Watch this.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Congresswoman, we should also note that he has proposed mass deportations of undocumented people starting on day one of his presidency. There's an estimated 198,000 undocumented people in Miami Dade county in your district. What would the sudden arrest and deportation of nearly 200,000 people. People mean for your community? And I. And I love what you're asking me. You know, I wrote the Dignity act, which is one of the only. The only comprehensive or complete immigration reform law. So I understand exactly what you're telling me about immigration. But the problem. And I need to put this into context, when you have a Biden administration that opens the southern border for four years and allows 10 million people to come in. And out of those 10 million, two are gutaways. And out of those 10,000,000, you have this group called Trender Agua from Venezuela, which is a transnational criminal organization. Congresswoman, if I may, I know our time here is limited. I'm asking about the potential deportation of hundreds of thousands of people from your community. The deportation is going to be among those criminals who are the gang members, the gotaways, the trend. Yaragua, I am sure not all 200,000 undocumented in your community. Is that what you're saying? I am sure that we're not. That the Trump administration is not going to be targeting those people who have been here for more than five years that have American kids, that don't have criminal records, that have been working in the economy and paying taxes. I am sure that they're going to hone in on the criminals who arrived less than four years ago, because I wrote the dignity.

[Ben]

I wrote the Dignity Act. She says she wrote the Dignity Act. So it was all good. What do you make of that?

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Okay, first of all, this Dignity act is just a way for her to protect herself because she knows that she's very vulnerable in the next midterm election. She's lying. She's looking at a camera. Lying to the American people, lying to her constituents. The Dignity act didn't even get the support of Marco Rubio, doesn't really have the support of Republicans. Look, I'm glad that she has bipartisan support. Veronica Escobar from Texas. Representative Veronica Escobar is truly trying to find a fix to this issue. I know that maybe Maria Vira Salazar, somewhere inside of her soul, there's a part of her that wants to provide some sort of pathway for people that are working in her district. But she's lying. We know that Alligator Alcatraz is right now holding people without a criminal record. We know that they even detained a minor, a 15 year old, and they have absolutely no due process. We know that they're criminalizing students. DACA recipients, the universities, FIU and some other universities have agreed to allow immigration enforcement in public universities in South Florida. This is ridiculous. It's posing a danger to many families living in South Florida. There's a lot of fear and she's doing absolutely nothing to speak up against the detainment of people that have been in the United States for more than five years, working in South Florida, working in her districts. But she could care less. What do Carlos Jimenez and Marelvira Salazar care about? They want to hold their seats for that tiny bit of power. They have no power in Congress, by the way. I haven't seen them pass any significant legislation. I don't really see them influence like what Maria Villa Salazar is saying, the Dignity act, trying to push that through. The Republican Party of today, the MAGA party is 100% anti immigrant. They are a party that is proposing a white nationalist Christian movement. And it wouldn't surprise me that ultimately after deporting all the people that for them pose a threat because they're not white. Maria Villa Salazar and Carlos Jimenez are in danger of being deported also with this movement, with this ultra outright movement that wants absolutely nothing to do with any person of color. So they need to protect their own. They, to protect the community that they represent. And they are absolutely failing at every turn.

[Ben]

You know, when the Trump regime spokesperson Caroline Levitt was recently asked about the Dignity act and where Trump stands on it, her response was that Donald Trump has never read it. They were focused on the budget bill and so they haven't even seen it, know what it is, and I pointed that out in prior videos as well. But, but what do we do? Right, because you experienced it in your election. There are other segments that I've played of CBS Miami or some of the local news. They'll go into Still Little Havana and they'll say to them, what do you think about Trump's positions? And the people will say we hate his position on immigration. But on the other stuff, which they don't even usually ever list what it is. On the other stuff though, we're with him. And then I always give my opinion or analysis to say, but the immigration stuff is kind of like you dying. Like, it's kind of the killing you part. So I'm not sure where you get to the transgender volleyball player or how you rank these things, but one of them is you dead. The other is you living here with dignity, which is what Biden supported and what you supported. And now you're kind of on the dead side of the spectrum where they want to throw you into concentration camps. But the propaganda is real, the radio station stuff is real. I think we're making inroads on YouTube and, and others are building new ways to reach people. But what do we do? How do we, how do we deal with this?

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Yeah, and Ben, you asked me, you know, one of the first questions was, you know, how do you feel about them lying, calling me names that I don't even want to repeat, that were completely false attacks. And they've been doing this for years. And they have used now some of it, mainstream radio stations, mainstream Spanish language stations to propagate this political propaganda to spread fake information. And Latinos particularly have been really high targets of this disinformation. So when you hear Spanish language radio, what do you hear? You only hear Maribira Salazar or Jimenez saying, you know, we're going to protect our community. We support legal immigration. They're only detaining criminals. So they keep hearing that thinking, okay, so this is not going to affect me. But living in Miami, I can tell you I have been talking to a lot of people and this immigration issue is affecting Latinos in Miami and their perception of Donald Trump. They don't support the immigration policies. It's affecting maybe their families, maybe their friends, maybe someone that they know. This American family, her daughter in law has a status that is going through a process of legal immigration. She went back to her home country and they're not letting her back in. This is affecting Republicans that are living in Miami that have mixed status families and even American families that have mixed marriages with Latinos. I mean, Miami Dade county is 70% Latino. So you're asking, what do we do? And here's where Democrats need to realize that what they have been doing for years is not working. We need to first of all lift up Latino voices within our own party, which I have not seen for, you know, even during the presidential campaign. I remember we were completely abandoned. And then after the election, then Latinos were blamed for electing Trump. And I'm sorry, but this right shift didn't happen only with Latino communities. It happened all over the country with every ethnic group. And blaming the Latino community is not going to bring us back into the fold. We need to be present. We need to be consistently fighting. And this disinformation, which I have been engaging, you know, trying to fight these, these fake political propaganda pieces that are being put out by elected officials in our area. And that requires investment. And I'm so glad, Ben, that you're talking about this today. And Midas, such as a great job of trying to spread this media ecosystem, but we can't compete right now. I mean, they control most of the Spanish language radios in South Florida. They have been threatening, you know, mainstream media like cbs, and they're folding, they're bending the knee. We need people that have a spine to stand up to an administration that is really destroying the American values that we have fought so hard to protect. The pillars of democracy. This is about civil rights. So whether you're Latino or not, whether you have a family with a mixed status or no immigrants that are trying to go through the process, this is about constitutional civil rights in America and whether this country is going to stand up for everyone living in this country. Because at the end of the day, we're all here and we have to work together to try to bring back some of the decency, the transparency that, that we have for the. For over 200 years tried to build. And this man is destroying it within just a few months.

[Ben]

Finally, speaking of decency or the lack thereof, you were featured recently in one of Trump's AI videos, a really disturbing video where it was. I don't even want to play the video, so I'll just show a screenshot here of Donald Trump arresting former President Barack Obama. The FBI comes in, throws him on the ground as Donald Trump is laughing at Obama being arrested. And then it features video of you and other members of Congress saying no one is above the law. And then it has that weird, like, Pepe the Frog meme, which many have said is also has its racist connotations. You know, do like, like a weird, like, clownish laugh. And like, that's being posted from the official account of the President of the United States. So what do you make of being featured in that? And I think it dovetails with what we've been talking about, though. Just the, the disinformation that's constantly out there now from the account of the presidency.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Yeah, Ben, it's extremely dangerous. And we have seen what happens when political violence, when lies are spread and they go unchecked. I mean, we saw what happened in January 6th when Trump was spreading the lie that he. That there was election fraud and he didn't win the election, he told the proud boys, stand back and stand by and look at what happened. I mean, it resulted with an officer being killed and the loss of life of an American woman. That was on Capitol. On the Capitol that day. We saw what happened with Representative Melissa Hortman. She was the target of political violence and assassination of her and her husband. It just happened a few weeks ago, and we cannot forget that. So when I saw that video, it sent chills down my spine because I know that that rhetoric eventually translates into physical acts of violence. And this is coming from the President of the United States. This couldn't be more dangerous. This is a matter of national security. And we need to, at a moment in time when we're so polarized, we need to make sure that we demand that those that have that microphone in public office, whether it's the President of the United States, a U.S. senator, a U.S. congress member, or even a local state official, that they speak against any of these deep fakes that are promoting or inciting violence. And that's why I'm speaking about it. And we're trying to make sure that people are aware that as this continues, we see these targets and these threats become more and more a reality that we can't allow to happen in the United States of America. I lost my father to gun violence in Ecuador. I know what it's like to live in a society where you don't feel safe. And that's what we're starting to experience here in the United States of America. And so if we really are talking about putting Americans first, we need to come together and denounce any sort of hatred, hate speech, AI fakes. And we need to demand and make sure that the president does not go down this road, even though we've seen him doing this now for. For years.

[Ben]

What are you working on now? How can people help out your efforts right now?

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Well, please follow me at Debbie for Florida, whether on Instagram, TikTok, whatever social media of your choice. I'm starting the Democracy Mobilization Project, which is really being on the ground having conversations with people about issues so that we can bring them along and they have the appropriate information to make the choices when they have to elect the next generation of leaders. We have already had some really great events. We've been at fiu. We did an immigration town hall, actually providing just information to our community. And what I've sensed and what I've seen, Ben, is that people want more of it. People want leaders that are going to come to them, present in their communities, giving them accurate information. And so that's what I'm going to dedicate my work on.

[Ben]

Congresswoman Debbie Mercosel Powell, thank you so much for joining us.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Thank you. Thank you.

[Ben]

Ben, we got to get you back. And this is how I kind of pressure the guests live. I'd love for you to have a show somewhere on the network because I truly, I texted my producer, I said, you know, I said, this is an incredible interview and I truly would love for you to come back on more and really let us know about these issues because, you know, I try to elevate the right voices, but it's a blind spot of mine. And, and you made things very clear to our audience today. So we appreciate it.

[Debbie Mercosel Powell]

Thank you, Ben. I really appreciate it. Anytime. Yeah, you're all wonderful, and you're just trying to get the right information out there, and I'm always going to support that effort. So thank you so much for that.

[Ben]

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