Charlie Angus (3:07)

Well, I do want to say that I've been feeling for a long time that this mega maple thing in Canada was going to run its course. The fact that it's dropped as dramatically as it has. Thanks, Donald. You've done us a favor. Because Pierre Poliev and his politics are toxic. It's hate politics. It's the pitchforks politics of blame and hate and rage. And I always felt that Canadians weren't going to go there. But once Elon Musk tells Canadians how much he likes Pierre Polyev, well, you can bet that that's going to kill the Conservative brand. And they don't know what to do right now, so they're scrambling. Whether or not Mark Carney is going to be fully ascended, I don't know. But what I think is we're going to see the Conservative numbers in Canada drop a lot more because people are looking at Project 2025. They're looking at the rage and destruction that Donald Trump is unleashing and the alienation that he's creating around the world. And Canadians are thinking, okay, so if this is what MAGA looks like, there's no damn way we're going to vote for it in Canada. So he's certainly damaged his allies in Canada. But then who are his real allies? It looks like his real allies are North Korea and Russia. You know, there would have been a time that any American leader who wanted to side with Russia and North Korea would have been obviously identified as a traitor to the nation and a traitor to American values. And now CNN saying, oh, it's, he's being unorthodox. So Donald's picking his allies in the world and it's certainly alienating his real allies. And Canada is not going to go down that road with him.

Ben Meiselas (4:44)

Talk about this petition to revoke Elon Musk's citizenship in Canada that you've been supporting. I think it's going to be one of the most widely distributed and signed petitions in the history of Canadian Canada in general. Tell us about what's going on there.

Charlie Angus (5:02)

Well, the great thing about Canadian democracies, people can bring petitions forward to Parliament on anything. They can bring it on highway safety, they can bring it on Natural health products. Sometimes the petition gets five hundred or a thousand or six thousand people to sign. What you need is a parliamentarian who's willing to bring it forward. So when I saw this petition about stripping Elon Musk, who's never been a Canadian, of his citizenship, I thought, okay, I'll support that. Now, I know for a fact that a petition does not have the legal power to strip a citizenship. Citizenship from anybody, nor should it. But what this does is it sends a message because Canadians, in their DNA, hate extremists and fascists. It's bred in our bone. I call it the Juno beach from D Day gene. That's within all Canadians. So when we see Elon Musk giving the Nazi salute at the Trump inauguration, when we see him supporting far right extremists in Germany, when we see him saying that Canada isn't even a real country, just like Putin said Ukraine wasn't a country, you can bet the Canadians think this guy doesn't represent anything of our values. So what happened was a petition that I thought might get a couple of thousand signatures. I don't know. We're about. We're above the 300,000 mark, which is unprecedented. We will be perhaps the largest petition in Canadian history. And it's sending a message to our government that we don't want to have any dealings with this guy. We want to make sure that our election system cannot be interfered with by X. We don't want any more deals with Starlink. We don't want Tesla and the Douche Panzers that he's bringing over the border. Canadians are sending a message. So this, this petition has gone off like wildfire. And what it reminds, I think it's really important to understand ordinary Canadians are way out front on this fight. Politicians are catching up. They're still scratching their heads. They're not sure what they should do. Ordinary Canadians get it. We're in a fight for democracy, we're in a fight for our values, and we're in a fight against tyranny. And when that fight's on the table, that's when Canadians show up.

Ben Meiselas (7:05)

The Midas Touch podcast is now the number one most downloaded podcast in all of Canada, beating all of the Canadian news channels and entertainment channels. So where can people find. We know we have a lot of Canadian listeners and viewers. If they want to join this petition and they're not already signed on, what do they do?

Charlie Angus (7:25)

It's really important. I think what Midas Touch has been doing in Canada is really important work, because, again, nothing against the Traditional media, but I think they live in a box and they're uncomfortable stepping outside the box. But we know that we're dealing in very dark times. We're dealing with, you know, basically fascist threats. And so people are looking for clear answers. And it's been really amazing in my journey as a. As a Member of Parliament, particularly representing a large working class constituency. Ordinary working class voters stopped me in the grocery store. They're watching the Midas touch because they understand the seriousness of this issue. So to support the get rid of Elon Musk out of Canada petition, I mean, all you gotta do is type in Elon Musk citizenship petition, and it'll take you to it. We're like, we're adding thousands and thousands of members or petitions by the day. And, you know, I'm hoping some of our American friends might think of a similar petition, because look at the chaos he's causing with Doge. This guy is not any of our friends. He's not a friend of democracy. Let's kick his rear end back to South Africa.

Ben Meiselas (8:34)

Let's talk about Wayne Gretzky, who used to be a friend of Canada, used to be beloved, used to be Canada's golden boy. And then he went full maga, would hang out at Mar a Lago, became a Trumper. Not just. He wasn't Maple Maga even. He was like America mag. He was rooting to be 51st state type stuff. And then Donald Trump was saying that Gretzky should become basically the leader of Canada, to become his puppet, and then basically run it the way Putin runs his nations in his orbit, like Belarus. It would basically be that version. And Gretzky was all into it. Then Gretzky started showing up to hockey games and was in Canadian gear, by the way. NHL doing that. I'm not sure that was a great decision, but, you know, we know why they did that. But then Gretzky would get booed by Canadians, and Gretzky can't walk around Canada now without getting booed. And one of the most detested people. So Donald Trump had to post this because I'm sure Gretzky's like, hey, I need you to, like, write this for me. Like, I need some cred back. So Trump just wrote this. He goes, wayne Gretzky is a fantastic guy. They call him the Great One. He could run for any political office in Canada and win. Wayne is my friend and he wants to make me happy. And is therefore somewhat low key about Canada remaining a separate country rather than becoming a cherished and beautiful 51st state paying much lower taxes, a free and powerful military, no tariffs, and having a booming economy. Wayne and Janet, his wonderful wife, love Canada, and they should only support Canada. Whatever else makes the Canadian people and Governor Trudeau happy. He's the greatest Canadian of them all, and I am therefore making him a free agent because I don't want anyone in Canada to say anything bad about him. Charlie Angus, your response to that?

Charlie Angus (10:30)

Wow. I guess if you're a Canadian, you know how important Wayne Gretzky was to us. You know, when Wayne Gretzky was traded from Edmonton to la, my wife was giving birth. During the birth, I was upstairs cheering for LA because we felt that the betrayal of his team and selling him to la, that we had to support LA because we loved Wayne Gretzky. I came down when my wife was just about to give birth to say that Wayne had scored. Okay, maybe I'm not a great dad, but I shouldn't have admitted that. But that's how important Wayne was to us. People are really angry at Wayne, and so every time Donald touches something, he turns it to crap. So the simple thing for Wayne is, Wayne, if you're quiet about Canada being a 51st state, you're a traitor. It's Vimy, or Vichy, as we say in Canada. Vimy Ridge was the great battle Canadians fought. Vichy were the collaborators. So, Wayne, if you don't want Donald speaking for you, then you speak up and you tell Canada that you believe in Canada as a nation, because if you don't, Canadians feel that you've totally betrayed them. Canadians are not in a forgiving mood right now. And Canadians have shown they're willing to fight for our nation because this is about our sovereignty. So it's a simple message to Wayne. Don't ask Donald to tell Canadians that you want to be quiet. You stand up and tell us whether or not you're a traitor or you believe in Canada. I think every Canadian wants to hear that answer, and we haven't heard that from Wayne the Great One yet.

Ben Meiselas (12:04)

Now, finally, we usually end our interviews with this. We know that Trump's press team watches, that they clip this stuff and whatever. So if you wanted to direct a message to Donald Trump right now, what's your message to him as we're recording this, as we are starting to head into the month of March?

Charlie Angus (12:26)

Well, Donald, you're telling us that we're getting the tariff threats, blah, blah. Canadians are saying, okay, bring it on. Like you want to fight, we're going to fight. But you have made America sign up with Russia and North Korea at one point, that would have been considered the act of an absolute traitor. How do you defend to the American people your absolute betrayal of your allies? 80 years of American leadership on the global stage, that you're willing to give that up to Kiss up to, to Putin? If you think that Canada is going to break right now, you're in for a big shock. It's going to hurt us. We know it's going to hurt. But we're ready because we are a unified nation. We have values. We're a democratic country. We believe in the rule of law. And you don't believe in any of those things, Donald. So I don't know, maybe you're going to have to call Vladimir and get an opinion on whether you should bring tariffs in or not. But you bring in the tariffs, we're coming at you. We're going to come at you hard. And my message to the American voter is you're going to be in for a big surprise at the damage that your leader is doing economically, socially, geopolitically, and, of course, democratically. So, Donald, it's in your court. We can't tell you not to bring tariffs. But if you bring them, we're coming at you. And we're going to come at you in the Canadian way, which is what we've always done. When push comes to shove, we don't back down. We never have, and we'll never, ever kiss the gangster ring.

Ben Meiselas (14:02)

Charlie Angus, thank you so much.

Charlie Angus (14:04)

Thank you, everyone.

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