Ghislaine Goes Silent at Deposition to help Trump Cover Up!!

Summary

The MeidasTouch Podcast
Episode: Ghislaine Goes Silent at Deposition to help Trump Cover Up!!
Date: February 7, 2026
Host(s): Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas

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Episode Overview

In this episode, the Meiselas brothers discuss the explosive news that Ghislaine Maxwell, convicted child sex trafficker and former associate of Jeffrey Epstein, is set for deposition by the House Oversight Committee—but is refusing to answer any questions by invoking the Fifth Amendment across the board. The episode explores Maxwell’s tactics, the political implications for Donald Trump, and how both MAGA Republicans and Democrats are navigating Maxwell’s legal strategy in ongoing investigations. The hosts analyze why Maxwell is being shielded, recall her past misleading testimonies, and propose how Democrats should press forward for accountability and public awareness.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ghislaine Maxwell Refuses Testimony at Upcoming Deposition [02:31]

• Maxwell is due to be deposed by Congress but has notified the committee she will not answer any questions, invoking the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination.
• Ben Meiselas challenges her use of the Fifth, questioning its validity post-conviction and after exhausting legal appeals.
• Maxwell’s plan: to issue a blanket assertion at the outset, refusing to even respond on a question-by-question basis.

Ben: “She says that at the beginning of her deposition, she will be reading a statement...that she will be pleading the Fifth Amendment to each and every question...she doesn't even want to take individual questions.” [02:40]

• The hosts argue this tactic aims to prevent potentially damaging moments—especially regarding Trump—being caught on camera.

2. Maxwell’s Willingness to Speak...When it Serves Her [04:45]

• Maxwell refused to take the Fifth when interviewed by Todd Blanche, Trump’s former criminal defense attorney (and then #2 at the DOJ). In that context, she answered Blanche’s questions and denied knowledge of wrongdoing.

Ben: “She was sure willing to speak to [Trump’s lawyer] and lie through her teeth. ‘Oh, I’ve never seen Donald engage in anything untoward or inappropriate...I knew nothing about any lists.’” [03:27]

• The brothers allege this selective cooperation highlights a coordinated effort to protect Trump and MAGA allies.

3. Maxwell’s Prior Depositions – Pattern of Evasion and Denial [05:36]

• Ben plays 2015 video deposition clips where Maxwell evades responsibility, insists she doesn't know about underage girls brought to Epstein, or denies seeing inappropriate behavior.

"I could only recall my family members that were there and I could not make a list of anyone else because that list never happened." —Ghislaine Maxwell deposition [06:01]

• The hosts highlight how, with hindsight (after her conviction), her denials ring especially false and chilling.

4. Maxwell's United Nations Appearance Amidst Criminal Activity [08:19]

• In 2014, Maxwell gave a speech before the UN about her ocean conservation work, representing "civil society," despite her active participation in sex trafficking at the time.

“I’m here representing civil society. My passion for the ocean...started when I was a little girl.” —Ghislaine Maxwell [08:23]

5. Shielding Donald Trump: Direct Denials Under Oath [11:27]

• During questioning by Blanche, Maxwell explicitly denies seeing Trump act inappropriately or being present in questionable situations involving minors.

“I actually never saw the President in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way. The president was never inappropriate with anybody in the times that I was with him. He was a gentleman in all respects.” —Ghislaine Maxwell [11:31]

6. The Real Stakes: Why the Fifth, and Why Now? [11:47]

• Ben argues Maxwell wants to avoid publicity of invoking the Fifth Amendment to damning questions like, “Are you aware of Donald Trump having sex with underage girls?”
• This refusal to answer—especially on-camera—would create damaging footage for Trump and MAGA figures.

“She doesn’t want to be on camera and Donald Trump doesn’t want her on camera saying, based on the advice of counsel, I hereby invoke my Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.” —Ben [11:47]

7. Comparisons to the Epstein Case and Trump’s Own Words [12:50]

• The brothers reference Jeffrey Epstein’s depositions, in which he repeatedly invoked the Fifth Amendment.

Clip: “Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?...I must assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment right.” [13:11]

• Notably, Trump has previously mocked others for pleading the Fifth: “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

8. Michael Wolff’s Revelations: The “Pussy Committee” and Trump-Epstein Alliance [13:45]

• Journalist Michael Wolff claims that the White House fears Maxwell could implicate Trump in the inner workings of the so-called “Pussy Committee,” alleged by Epstein and Trump to arrange sexual encounters for themselves and Prince Andrew.

9. Strategic Advice for Democrats: Ask the Hard Questions On-Camera [14:20]

• Ben advocates that Democrats should proceed with depositions, regardless of Maxwell’s stance, and relentlessly ask the difficult questions for the record—even if she pleads the Fifth—so the footage can be shared with the public.

“If you want to invoke your Fifth, invoke your Fifth, but shut up...Answer the questions...And if you want to invoke the Fifth, then we’ll publish the video in public.” —Ben [16:09]

10. GOP and MAGA Attempts to Bury the Moment

• The hosts accuse Republicans (specifically Oversight Chair James Comer) of trying to prevent any public record of Maxwell stonewalling questions about Trump, to protect Trump’s image.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Maxwell’s tactic:
  “This is part of the Trump MAGA cover up right here.” —Ben [02:56]

• On Maxwell dictating terms:
  “Who is she to dictate the rules? A convicted child sex trafficker. Who is she to dictate the rules that she just gets to read a blanket statement...Say no, sit there, shut up.” —Ben [15:23]

• On public accountability:
  “Ask the questions...and then have her say, under the advice of counsel, I plead the Fifth, then take that tape and show it to the public.” —Ben [14:48]

• On Republican avoidance:
  “…That’s what James Comer, who runs the House Oversight Committee, wants to avoid as well. He doesn’t want that captured on video.” —Ben [15:00]

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Outline of Key Timestamps

• [02:31] Ghislaine Maxwell refuses to testify, blanket-invoking Fifth Amendment.
• [03:27] Maxwell freely speaks to Trump’s lawyer, denies any wrongdoing.
• [05:36] Broadcast of Maxwell’s 2015 video deposition—denials and evasion.
• [08:19] Maxwell’s 2014 speech at the UN during active criminal period.
• [11:07] Blanche questions Maxwell about a “black book”; she denies its existence.
• [11:27] Maxwell denies Trump’s involvement in wrongdoing.
• [12:50] Epstein’s own deposition clips—pleading the Fifth repeatedly.
• [13:45] Michael Wolff comments on Maxwell, Trump, Epstein, and the “Pussy Committee.”
• [14:20] Ben’s advice: Democrats should ask hard questions, capture Maxwell invoking the Fifth on camera.
• [15:00] The Republican motivation for preventing damaging public footage.
• [16:09] Ben’s emphatic call for transparency and direct confrontation.

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Tone and Final Thoughts

True to the MeidasTouch style, the episode blends legal analysis (primarily from Ben), deep dives into recent news, and energetic, unapologetic call-outs of perceived cover-ups by MAGA Republicans and institutional actors. The brothers mix serious concern for democratic accountability with sharp banter and exasperated humor, particularly when confronting the audacity of figures like Maxwell trying to dictate legal proceedings post-conviction.

The message is clear: Ghislaine Maxwell’s blanket assertion of the Fifth—particularly in light of her selective cooperation with Trump’s defense—illuminates ongoing efforts to shield powerful men from scrutiny and accountability. The hosts urge Democrats and the public not to let this moment slip into obscurity, but to shine a harsh spotlight on those who abuse constitutional rights for cover-up, not innocence.

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This summary omits advertisements and non-content segments, honing in on the hosts’ central arguments, analysis, and notable moments germane to the episode’s political and legal focus.

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Ghislaine Maxwell is set to have her deposition taken on Monday by the House Oversight Committee, and she has now given notice that she refuses to testify about anything. She says that she will simply be invoking the Fifth Amendment against self incrimination despite already being incriminated as a child sex trafficker. And the United States Supreme Court has rejected all of her appeals, so she has nowhere else to go at this point. So I don't think she even has a right to claim the Fifth Amendment at this stage. But she says that she won't even answer questions on a question by question basis on Monday when her deposition is set to take place. Instead, she says that at the beginning of her deposition, she will be reading a statement or her lawyer will be reading a statement that stating that she will be pleading the Fifth Amendment to each and every question that the Congress members will ask her, such that she doesn't even want to take individual questions. She just says, I'm gonna make a blanket assertion of the Fifth Amendment, in my own personal view says entirely unacceptable. And this is part of the Trump MAGA cover up right here. Now, as you know, Ghislaine Maxwell did not invoke the the Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination when she spoke to Donald Trump's attorney, or I should say, the number two at the Department of Justice, Trump's former criminal defense attorney, Todd Blanche. She was sure willing to speak to him and lie through her teeth. Oh, I've never seen Donald engage in anything untoward or inappropriate. I knew nothing about any lists. I knew nothing about any improper conduct at all. Or really, because you're all over the files knowing about the heinous and despicable acts. And you went through a federal trial where you were convicted of child sex trafficking by a unanimous jury. But she was willing to talk to Todd Blanche there. Then she got moved to Club Med. I mean to Camp Bryant in Texas, where she now gets VIP treatment at a minimum security facility where convicted sex traffickers were previously banned from. And anyone at that facility who speaks out against her, they get put maximum security facilities by the Bureau of Prisons, which has been utilized by the Trump regime to protect Delaine Maxwell while screwing over everybody else. Now, Ghislaine Maxwell has testified before in proceedings. She's testified in 2016 in depositions, in 2015 in deposition. So let me share this deposition that she was testifying in back in 2015, a video recorded deposition. And you'll see again just how creepy it is. Knowing now, after we reviewed the files, everything she knows. So she was willing to testify. Then here's what she said. Play this clip.

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Did Jeffrey Epstein have a scheme to recruit underage girls for sexual massages? Objective form, foundation. If you know so I don't know what you're talking about.

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Here's more from her testimony. Let's play this clip.

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Can you list for me all the girls that you have met and brought to Jeffrey Epstein's house that were under the age of 18 at the foreign Foundation? I could only recall my family members that were there and I could not make a list of anyone else because that list never happened. But I can take her off. I'm talking about during the time that you were working for Jeffrey Epstein.

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Right.

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Can you list all the girls that you found for Jeffrey Epstein that were under the age of 18 to come work for him in any capacity? Take the form of foundation. So I didn't find guys.

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I didn't.

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You choose the word. Well, no, no, you don't choose the word. If you have a question, ask it. List all of the girls that you met and brought to Jeffrey Epstein's home for the purposes of employment that were under the age of 18. Objective form, foundation. I've already characterized what my job was, which was to find people, adults, professional people to do the types of jobs that I listed before. Pool person, secretary, house person, chef, pilot. But I. Individuals under the age of 18, not adult persons. Individuals under the age of 18. I only hired, looked for people, tried to find people to fill professional jobs and professional situations.

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Finally, here's a little bit more from her testimony as well.

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Who were the other 17 year old masseuses they were aware of? I'm not aware of any. Were there any 16 year old masseuses you're aware of? I'm not aware. Any 15. Look, I just want to be clear. The only person that I'm aware of who claims to have been, you know, we have to. Must have established 17 given that she had changed her age so many times. The only person that I'm aware of that was in the Seuss at the time when I was present in the House.

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Also in 2014, Ghislaine Maxwell gave a speech at the United nations to, to promote her company, Terra Mar. Here's when she spoke in front of the United nations representing civil society while she was involved in a child sex trafficking ring. Here, play this clip.

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First of all, your excellencies, presidents, lords, ladies and gentlemen, I just would like to thank you so much and it's such an honor to be here. I'm here representing civil society. My passion for the ocean. For those of you, there's a slideshow going up there so you don't just have to hear me, you can see the pictures as well. Started when I was a little girl. I grew up watching Jacques Cousteau on TV and became mesmerized with the oceans. It led to me becoming a deep worker, submersible pilot, and ultimately on one of my first dives, when I went down expecting to see a fish, I switched on the lights at the bottom of the ocean and saw a plastic hangar.

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Absolutely no. There is no list.

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What about Donald Trump? Was he ever inappropriate with anybody? Elaine this is what she said to Todd Blanche when He questioned her as kind of as part of Donald Trump's cover up. Play this clip.

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I don't recall ever seeing him in his house, for instance. I actually never saw the President in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way. The president was never inappropriate with anybody in the times that I was with him. He was a gentleman in all respects.

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Now, I want to explain to you why Ghislaine Maxwell also is saying that she wants to make a blanket assertion of the Fifth Amendment and not have to assert the Fifth Amendment to each question that she gets asked because she doesn't want to have to respond to questions like this. Are you aware of Donald Trump having sex with any underage girls? And she doesn't want to be on camera and Donald Trump doesn't want her in camera saying, based on the advice of counsel, I hereby invoke my Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. Are you aware, Ms. Maxwell, of Donald Trump being involved in the child sex trafficking ring run by Jeffrey Epstein and yourself? I can't answer that question. On the advice of counsel, I must invoke my Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. Remember when Epstein was asked questions in his depositions before he was arrested again in 2019 and he mysteriously died thereafter? Remember how he answered questions like that? Here, play this clip. Remember what Donald Trump said about people who invoke the Fifth Amendment? Let's play this clip. Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18, Though I'd like to answer that question.

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At least today I'm going to have.

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To assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment right. Sir, the mob takes the 5th if you're innocent, why are you taking the 5th amendment? And here's what Trump's biographer and who's someone potentially going to be the biographer of Jeffrey Epstein? Here's what Michael Wolf had to say about Ghislaine. Let's play this clip right here. Now, this is a key issue right now in the way the White House is looking at the Epstein scandal. The fear is that Ghislaine Maxwell can tie Donald Trump to the details of what Trump and Epstein called the Pussy Committee. The Pussy Committee consisted of Trump and Epstein in their efforts to get girls for Prince Andrew. So here's what I think Democrats should demand. I think Democrats should demand that they be able to ask her those questions. I don't think that she should be. The issue with her invoking the Fifth Amendment is would you give her immunity Congressional Immunity, which I don't know how it's a valid. I would challenge and litigate her claim of asserting the Fifth Amendment when she's already been incriminated. And I would say she's waived it when she spoke with Todd Blanche to begin with. But if I was the Democrats, here's what I would do. We know she lies about everything, right? You saw the earlier deposition clips of her. Right? She's not going to tell the truth on any topic at all. So here's what I would do, though. If I were the Democrats, I would insist in the House Oversight Committee, we still want to ask her questions. Ask the questions. Did you see Donald Trump with underage girls? Did you see Donald Trump have sex with underage girls? Did you see Donald Trump engage in sex trafficking? Did you see Donald Trump brag about this? Did you see Donald Trump do that? Do you believe Donald Trump had Jeffrey Epstein killed? Ask the questions and then have her say, under the advice of counsel, I plead the Fifth, then take that tape and show it to the public. That's exactly what the. And that's what James Comer, who runs the House Oversight Committee, wants to avoid as well. He doesn't want the, he doesn't want that captured on video that moment. So they're going to try to avoid that, the Republicans, because they don't want her on tape invoking the Fifth. When a Democrat asks her that question about Trump engaging in potential criminal activity, Democrats should insist that they be able. Who is she to set the rules? A convicted child sex trap. Who is she to dictate the rules? That she just gets to read a blanket statement that says at the outset, I'm here gonna by telling you I will not answer questions and I will just invoke the Fifth. Say no, say sit there, shut up. You're a convicted child sex trafficker. We're gonna ask you questions. And if you want to invoke your fifth, invoke your fifth, but shut up. The hell do you think you are? Shut up. So I hit my mic. That's what I. That's what I. That's what I would say. Answer the questions. Convicted child sex trafficker. And if you want to invoke the fip, then we'll publish the video in public. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million. Thanks for watching. Thanks for watching. Be sure to add the Midas Touch podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts for new updates every single day.