The MeidasTouch Podcast
Episode: Ghislaine Goes Silent at Deposition to help Trump Cover Up!!
Date: February 7, 2026
Host(s): Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas

Episode Overview

In this episode, the Meiselas brothers discuss the explosive news that Ghislaine Maxwell, convicted child sex trafficker and former associate of Jeffrey Epstein, is set for deposition by the House Oversight Committee—but is refusing to answer any questions by invoking the Fifth Amendment across the board. The episode explores Maxwell’s tactics, the political implications for Donald Trump, and how both MAGA Republicans and Democrats are navigating Maxwell’s legal strategy in ongoing investigations. The hosts analyze why Maxwell is being shielded, recall her past misleading testimonies, and propose how Democrats should press forward for accountability and public awareness.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Ghislaine Maxwell Refuses Testimony at Upcoming Deposition [02:31]

• Maxwell is due to be deposed by Congress but has notified the committee she will not answer any questions, invoking the Fifth Amendment against self-incrimination.
• Ben Meiselas challenges her use of the Fifth, questioning its validity post-conviction and after exhausting legal appeals.
• Maxwell’s plan: to issue a blanket assertion at the outset, refusing to even respond on a question-by-question basis.

Ben: “She says that at the beginning of her deposition, she will be reading a statement...that she will be pleading the Fifth Amendment to each and every question...she doesn't even want to take individual questions.” [02:40]

• The hosts argue this tactic aims to prevent potentially damaging moments—especially regarding Trump—being caught on camera.

2. Maxwell’s Willingness to Speak...When it Serves Her [04:45]

• Maxwell refused to take the Fifth when interviewed by Todd Blanche, Trump’s former criminal defense attorney (and then #2 at the DOJ). In that context, she answered Blanche’s questions and denied knowledge of wrongdoing.

Ben: “She was sure willing to speak to [Trump’s lawyer] and lie through her teeth. ‘Oh, I’ve never seen Donald engage in anything untoward or inappropriate...I knew nothing about any lists.’” [03:27]

• The brothers allege this selective cooperation highlights a coordinated effort to protect Trump and MAGA allies.

3. Maxwell’s Prior Depositions – Pattern of Evasion and Denial [05:36]

• Ben plays 2015 video deposition clips where Maxwell evades responsibility, insists she doesn't know about underage girls brought to Epstein, or denies seeing inappropriate behavior.

"I could only recall my family members that were there and I could not make a list of anyone else because that list never happened." —Ghislaine Maxwell deposition [06:01]

• The hosts highlight how, with hindsight (after her conviction), her denials ring especially false and chilling.

4. Maxwell's United Nations Appearance Amidst Criminal Activity [08:19]

• In 2014, Maxwell gave a speech before the UN about her ocean conservation work, representing "civil society," despite her active participation in sex trafficking at the time.

“I’m here representing civil society. My passion for the ocean...started when I was a little girl.” —Ghislaine Maxwell [08:23]

5. Shielding Donald Trump: Direct Denials Under Oath [11:27]

• During questioning by Blanche, Maxwell explicitly denies seeing Trump act inappropriately or being present in questionable situations involving minors.

“I actually never saw the President in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the president in any inappropriate setting in any way. The president was never inappropriate with anybody in the times that I was with him. He was a gentleman in all respects.” —Ghislaine Maxwell [11:31]

6. The Real Stakes: Why the Fifth, and Why Now? [11:47]

• Ben argues Maxwell wants to avoid publicity of invoking the Fifth Amendment to damning questions like, “Are you aware of Donald Trump having sex with underage girls?”
• This refusal to answer—especially on-camera—would create damaging footage for Trump and MAGA figures.

“She doesn’t want to be on camera and Donald Trump doesn’t want her on camera saying, based on the advice of counsel, I hereby invoke my Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination.” —Ben [11:47]

7. Comparisons to the Epstein Case and Trump’s Own Words [12:50]

• The brothers reference Jeffrey Epstein’s depositions, in which he repeatedly invoked the Fifth Amendment.

Clip: “Have you ever socialized with Donald Trump in the presence of females under the age of 18?...I must assert my 5th, 6th and 14th amendment right.” [13:11]

• Notably, Trump has previously mocked others for pleading the Fifth: “If you’re innocent, why are you taking the Fifth Amendment?”

8. Michael Wolff’s Revelations: The “Pussy Committee” and Trump-Epstein Alliance [13:45]

• Journalist Michael Wolff claims that the White House fears Maxwell could implicate Trump in the inner workings of the so-called “Pussy Committee,” alleged by Epstein and Trump to arrange sexual encounters for themselves and Prince Andrew.

9. Strategic Advice for Democrats: Ask the Hard Questions On-Camera [14:20]

• Ben advocates that Democrats should proceed with depositions, regardless of Maxwell’s stance, and relentlessly ask the difficult questions for the record—even if she pleads the Fifth—so the footage can be shared with the public.

“If you want to invoke your Fifth, invoke your Fifth, but shut up...Answer the questions...And if you want to invoke the Fifth, then we’ll publish the video in public.” —Ben [16:09]

10. GOP and MAGA Attempts to Bury the Moment

• The hosts accuse Republicans (specifically Oversight Chair James Comer) of trying to prevent any public record of Maxwell stonewalling questions about Trump, to protect Trump’s image.

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Maxwell’s tactic:
  “This is part of the Trump MAGA cover up right here.” —Ben [02:56]

• On Maxwell dictating terms:
  “Who is she to dictate the rules? A convicted child sex trafficker. Who is she to dictate the rules that she just gets to read a blanket statement...Say no, sit there, shut up.” —Ben [15:23]

• On public accountability:
  “Ask the questions...and then have her say, under the advice of counsel, I plead the Fifth, then take that tape and show it to the public.” —Ben [14:48]

• On Republican avoidance:
  “…That’s what James Comer, who runs the House Oversight Committee, wants to avoid as well. He doesn’t want that captured on video.” —Ben [15:00]

Outline of Key Timestamps

• [02:31] Ghislaine Maxwell refuses to testify, blanket-invoking Fifth Amendment.
• [03:27] Maxwell freely speaks to Trump’s lawyer, denies any wrongdoing.
• [05:36] Broadcast of Maxwell’s 2015 video deposition—denials and evasion.
• [08:19] Maxwell’s 2014 speech at the UN during active criminal period.
• [11:07] Blanche questions Maxwell about a “black book”; she denies its existence.
• [11:27] Maxwell denies Trump’s involvement in wrongdoing.
• [12:50] Epstein’s own deposition clips—pleading the Fifth repeatedly.
• [13:45] Michael Wolff comments on Maxwell, Trump, Epstein, and the “Pussy Committee.”
• [14:20] Ben’s advice: Democrats should ask hard questions, capture Maxwell invoking the Fifth on camera.
• [15:00] The Republican motivation for preventing damaging public footage.
• [16:09] Ben’s emphatic call for transparency and direct confrontation.

Tone and Final Thoughts

True to the MeidasTouch style, the episode blends legal analysis (primarily from Ben), deep dives into recent news, and energetic, unapologetic call-outs of perceived cover-ups by MAGA Republicans and institutional actors. The brothers mix serious concern for democratic accountability with sharp banter and exasperated humor, particularly when confronting the audacity of figures like Maxwell trying to dictate legal proceedings post-conviction.

The message is clear: Ghislaine Maxwell’s blanket assertion of the Fifth—particularly in light of her selective cooperation with Trump’s defense—illuminates ongoing efforts to shield powerful men from scrutiny and accountability. The hosts urge Democrats and the public not to let this moment slip into obscurity, but to shine a harsh spotlight on those who abuse constitutional rights for cover-up, not innocence.

This summary omits advertisements and non-content segments, honing in on the hosts’ central arguments, analysis, and notable moments germane to the episode’s political and legal focus.