GOP Hides Smoking Gun on Trump’s Dark Past at Hearing

Summary

The MeidasTouch Podcast
Episode: GOP Hides Smoking Gun on Trump’s Dark Past at Hearing
Date: September 18, 2025

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Overview

In this episode, the Meiselas brothers (Ben, Brett, and Jordy) unpack the dramatic events of a recent House committee hearing, focusing on how Republican members blocked access to critical documents related to Jeffrey Epstein’s financial dealings and the possible involvement of Donald Trump. The episode emphasizes transparency, legal accountability, and the need for public access to information around Epstein, Trump, and other key figures. The hosts walk listeners through the committee's actions, play key audio clips from the hearings, and critique the evasive responses of government officials and Republican lawmakers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. GOP Blocks Subpoenas to Uncover Epstein’s Financial Ties

[00:45–04:20]

• Ben lays out his approach: “I just want to show you the receipts,” adopting the method of a trial lawyer to present the events in a factual, stepwise manner.
• House Committee Hearing: Republicans (with one exception, Thomas Massie) block Democratic motions to subpoena four major banks (J.P. Morgan, Bank of New York, Bank of America, Deutsche Bank) for records tied to Epstein's suspicious transactions.
• Quote (03:43, Democratic Congressman): “The motion is to subpoena the CEOs of these four banks…all records relating to their relationship to Jeffrey Epstein…$1.5 billion in suspicious transactions.”
• Chair immediately tables the motion, citing it is “not debatable,” with Republicans voting to block the subpoenas.

2. Dan Bongino Subpoena Blocked

[04:20–06:31]

• Republicans again vote en masse to block a Democratic motion to subpoena former FBI Deputy Director and conservative commentator Dan Bongino, who previously claimed a cover-up of the Epstein files.
• Ben highlights the hypocrisy and questions what Bongino and the GOP are afraid of.
• Quote (05:32, Democratic Congressman): “I move that the committee subpoena Deputy FBI Director Dan Baggino to produce and testify…[on] the files related to Jeffrey Epstein.”
• Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett tallies the vote: “Mr. Chairman, there are 21 eyes and 16 nos.” Block successful.

3. Block on Bureau of Prisons Testimony about Ghislaine Maxwell's Prison Transfer

[06:31–08:17]

• Democrats request a subpoena for the head of the Bureau of Prisons, William K. Marshall, to explain the unusual transfer of Ghislaine Maxwell (convicted child sex trafficker and Epstein’s associate) to a low-security facility—an apparent policy violation.
• Republicans again table the motion, stalling any investigation into the transfer’s legality.
• Quote (07:23, Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett): “BOP transferred Maxwell to a minimum security [facility] following her interview with President, former personal attorney and now Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch.”

4. Treasury Secretary Subpoena Blocked over Epstein Financial Records

[08:20–10:16]

• Another Democratic motion, requesting Treasury Secretary Besant to turn over records of $1.5 billion in suspicious activity reports flagged by banks with ties to Epstein’s trafficking ring, is tabled by Republicans.
• Quote (09:16, Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett): “I move that the committee subpoena U.S. Treasury Secretary Besant…all suspicious activity reports…identifying the roughly $1.5 billion…related to the sex trafficking crimes of Epstein, Maxwell and their co-conspirators.”

5. Cash Patel’s Testimony and Alleged Perjury

[11:40–15:08]

• Ben fact-checks Cash Patel’s claim that a court order is blocking files from being released, reading directly from Judge Richard Berman’s recent order. Judge Berman’s order actually urged the DOJ/Trump administration to release investigation files, making Patel’s statements appear misleading or perjurious.
• Quote (13:40, Congressmember Dan Goldman): “You are hiding the Epstein files.”
• Ben summarizes: “The judge says…produce the records…not it’s subject to a protective order, it can’t be turned over.”
• Judge Berman’s order notes that DOJ has 3–4 terabytes of investigatory material—much more than grand jury transcripts.

6. Did Cash Patel Warn Attorney General about Trump's Name in the Files?

[19:19–20:41]

• Under questioning, Patel dodges direct questions about whether he told the Attorney General that Trump’s name appears in the Epstein files.
• Quote (19:19, Democratic Congressman): “Did you ever tell Donald Trump his name is in the files?”
• Patel's evasive answer (20:08): “No. ABC Director, it sounds like you don’t…”

7. Senator John Kennedy’s Public Warnings

[20:41–23:19]

• Republican Senator John Kennedy appears on CNN and expresses concern over the lack of transparency, stating pressure will build for the release of the files.
• Quote (22:02, Sen. Kennedy): “Do you think that the president is potentially one of those people? I don’t have any idea…Could the president be mentioned in them? Maybe…wouldn’t be surprised if he was, because he and Epstein…were friends.”
• Kennedy emphasizes the need to “let the chips fall where they may.”

8. Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett's Scathing Closing Remarks

[23:25–24:30]

• Crockett sharply criticizes FBI Director Christopher Wray (a Trump appointee), labels him “the least qualified FBI director in the history of the FBI,” and calls for new leadership.
• Quote (23:25, Rep. Jasmine Crockett): “So a couple of facts…Director Christopher Wray…was appointed by Donald Trump…you are the least qualified FBI director in the history of the FBI…”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Ben (Podcast Host, 00:45): “I don't want to resort to hyperbolic language or partisan tropes. I just want to show you the receipts…”
• House committee sequence (throughout): Real-time audio clips from the hearing give listeners direct insight into the proceedings.
• Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett (23:25): “There has been so much today and I truly don't know where to start. So I'm just going to make sure that we start off with a few facts.... you are the least qualified FBI director in the history of the FBI.”
• Sen. John Kennedy (22:36): “If it were up to me, I’d just release the documents and let the chips fall where they may.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Blocked Bank Subpoenas: 03:34–04:20
• Bongino Subpoena Blocked: 05:32–06:31
• Bureau of Prisons Subpoena Blocked: 07:23–08:17
• Treasury Secretary Subpoena Blocked: 09:16–10:16
• Cash Patel’s Perjury/Fact-Check: 13:40–15:08
• Patel Dodges Trump Name Question: 19:19–20:41
• Sen. Kennedy Candid Comments: 20:54–23:19
• Jasmine Crockett’s Closing: 23:25–24:30

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Tone & Language

The MeidasTouch brothers maintain their signature blend of legal rigor, sarcastic banter, and cutting political commentary. Ben adopts the language and method of a lawyer ("showing the receipts"), focusing on accountability and the imperative of factual discourse in the public sphere. The episode is urgent, at times incredulous, and unapologetic in challenging Republican stalling tactics.

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Summary

The episode expertly chronicles and dissects the actions by GOP lawmakers to obstruct investigations into Epstein’s financial network and the Trump connection, calling out hypocrisy and warning about the long-term consequences of governmental secrecy. By mixing direct audio, legal analysis, and on-point commentary, the brothers keep listeners engaged while highlighting the stakes for democracy and transparency.

Transcript

[Podcast Host]

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[Democratic Congressman]

Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So look, there are four banks. J.P. morgan, bank of New York, bank of America, Deutsche Bank.

[Committee Chair]

If someone can state his motion.

[Democratic Congressman]

Yeah. The motion is to subpoena the CEOs of these four banks to bring in all records relating to their relationship to Jeffrey Epstein and to produce all records reflecting it. These four banks have flagged to the government $1.5 billion in suspicious transactions relating to the ministry.

[Podcast Host]

I moved the table.

[Democratic Congressman]

Mr. Dimon just released a statement saying. Chairman happy to comply.

[Committee Chair]

Chairman, need I need to motion to table the motion offered by the gentleman from Maryland. The motion. Table is not debatable. The question occurs on the motion to table. Those in favor say aye. Those opposed no.

[Podcast Host]

No.

[Committee Chair]

Pin to the chair. The ayes have it. The motion is table.

[Podcast Host]

Now, in this next clip I'm going to show you, you will see all of the Republicans. Again, it's other than Massie, but I'll just say all of the Republicans blocking an effort by the Democrats to subpoena Dan Bongino to testify on the Epstein files. Right. Bongino had reportedly considered resigning from his position over the refusal to release the Phil Epstein files. But they want to prevent Dan Bongino from testifying. I thought Dan Bongino is a tough guy, right? He's a former podcaster. He was out there when he was a podcaster saying that the FBI was covering up the Epstein files and he was going to make it his life mission to release it. Why wouldn't you show up and testify? Are you scared, Bongino? Are you scared? What's the Republican Party scared of? Why would they vote down this subpoena? Ask yourself that question and let's not not view it in terms of Democrats, Republicans. Red, blue, purple. Just why wouldn't you go and testify? Here's what happened. Unless you're hiding something, right? Am I wrong about that? Here, play this clip.

[Democratic Congressman]

I move that the committee subpoena Deputy FBI Director Dan Baggino to produce and testify with the Director is unwilling to Discuss and share with Congress the files related to Jeffrey Epstein, including witness interview records, including FBI Forms 302, search warrant materials, records relating to the initiation of investigations, records relating to financial transactions and payments, evidence collected from wiretaps. The FBI director said today that they've already released these documents. Bongino has reportedly considered resigning from his position over refusal to release California.

[Senator John Kennedy]

I'm delighted to see that my colleague can read and I move delay his.

[Committee Chair]

Motion on the table. Motion is not debatable. The question occurs on the motion to table. Those in favor will say aye. Aye. Those opposed no. No, no opinion of the chair. The ayes have it and the motion is table.

[Democratic Congressman]

I also can call for a vote. Mr. Chairman. Recorded vote.

[Committee Chair]

Recorded vote being requested.

[Podcast Host]

The clerk will report or.

[Committee Chair]

Excuse me, call the roll.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

Mr. Chairman, there are 21 eyes and 16 nos.

[Committee Chair]

Motion. The table is successful.

[Podcast Host]

But it gets worse. Republicans also block the effort of Democrats to subpoena the head of the Bureau of Prisons to explain why Jeffrey Epstein's co conspirator Ghislaine Maxwell was transferred to a minimum security prison. Violation of Bureau of Prison policies. Because convicted sex traffickers are not allowed to go to minimum security facilities. Especially when like Camp Bryan is right on the Texas A and M campus. And there's a great degree of cooperation between the women in the minimum security facility in Camp Bryant and Texas A and M doing criminal justice research, rehabilitation, there's like puppy raising programs and restorative justice programs. Watch Republicans block this subpoena. Play this clip.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

I move that the committee subpoena the head of the Bureau of Prisons, William K. Marshall to discuss and produce all records relating to the transfer of Jeffrey Epstein, co conspirator and child sex trafficker Ghislaine Maxwell in apparent Violation of BoP policies regarding sex offenders to include all BOP communications with doj, FBI and the White House. BOP transferred Maxwell to a minimum Security Council following her interview with President, former personal attorney and now Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch. I am done reading.

[Committee Chair]

Not debatable. This question occurs on the motion to table. Those in favor will say aye. Aye. Those opposed no.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

No opinion.

[Committee Chair]

The chair. The eyes have it.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

I'd ask for a recorded vote.

[Committee Chair]

Vote being requested. The court clerk report.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

Mr. Chairman, there are 21 eyes and six nos.

[Committee Chair]

The motion table is is agreed to.

[Podcast Host]

And then finally you will see here Republicans blocking efforts by Democrats to subpoena Trump's Treasury Secretary who has in his possession records relating to get this $1.5 billion in suspicious transactions flagged by banks that are related to Epstein sex trafficking ring. So why wouldn't the Treasury Department just turn this over? Why are Republicans blocking this subpoena? Just ask yourself why would they block this subpoena at the same time you have cash Patel now saying there's been no and no one else actually linked to Jeffrey Epstein. He was a lone wolf. Come on, we're not buying that. We know you're covering this up. And we know that Donald Trump's name repeat appears repeatedly on the Epstein files. This is beyond pathetic and it's so offensive to the survivors. Here, play this clip.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

I move that the committee subpoena U.S. treasury Secretary Besant to produce or otherwise make available to the committee all suspicious activity reports in the possession of the Treasury Department identifying the roughly $1.5 billion.

[Committee Chair]

California is recognized. I move to lay the motion on the table. The motion is not debatable.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

I didn't finish.

[Democratic Congressman]

She hadn't completed the motion. Is it proper to cut it off before it's completed?

[Committee Chair]

Mr. Sherman, finish your last sentence there. The gentlelady can finish.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

Okay, so we're asking them to identify the roughly 1.5 billion in suspicious transactions related to the sex trafficking crimes of Epstein, Maxwell and their co conspirators. And as we know, Mr. Chairman, Mr. Patel said that the Treasury.

[Committee Chair]

Motion on the table. Yep. The motion not debatable. The question occurs on the motion to table. Those in favor say aye.

[Senator John Kennedy]

Aye.

[Committee Chair]

Those opposed no.

[Senator John Kennedy]

No.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

I request a recorded vote.

[Committee Chair]

Recorded vote being requested. The clerk will call the roll.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

Mr. Chairman, there are 23 ayes and 16 no's.

[Committee Chair]

Motion the table carries.

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[Podcast Host]

Okay, so I just showed you four instances, right? I mean, I'm just bringing out the receipts. Democrats saying, let's get the records. Business records, bank records, Treasury Department records, Bureau of Prison records. We should want the info, we should want the data. And by the way, it was the Republicans promising that they were going to make this stuff available that was there. They ran on the issue and now the Democrats are subpoenaing and Republicans are blocking it. I want to show you this though as well, because during the testimony by Cash Patel, one of his latest lies was that the federal courts are blocking Trump and the DOJ from turning over the Epstein files. We'd like to, but a court is blocking us from doing it. Okay, well then what I want to show you because again, we're receipt based, we're fact based, we're evidence based. I'm a former litigator. This is what I did, this is what I do. So then I want to show you what the federal judge actually said. Federal judge Richard Berman from the Southern District of New York, the judge in charge of all of this. I'm going to read you portions of his order where the federal judge says, we believe. I believe. The judge says, I believe that this is in the possession of the federal government and the Trump administration should turn it over. I'm literally going to read you the judge saying the exact opposite of what Cash Patel said. Why am I going to read this to you? Because facts matter, orders matter. And I'm going to show you here that it would appear, it would appear that Cash Patel just committed perjury. That he just committed perjury. That he just committed perjury. Here, play this clip of Congressmember Dan Goldman, who was a former federal prosecutor, questioning Patel. Then let's get right into the court order here. Play this clip.

[Congressmember Dan Goldman]

Let's talk about the witness interviews. 302s of witness interviews. Those are not subject to the court order. Those are not subject to any fictional sealed order for a search warrant. Why aren't you releasing those with the redacted names of the victims?

[Cash Patel]

We are releasing as much as legally allowed. That's why we went back.

[Congressmember Dan Goldman]

How is that, how is that not legally allowed, sir?

[Cash Patel]

Do you know how court orders work? Do you know how protective orders.

[Congressmember Dan Goldman]

Actually, Mr. Patel, I was a prosecutor, a real prosecutor, for 10 years. I know exactly how.

[Cash Patel]

So I was a failure.

[Congressmember Dan Goldman]

And I want to understand what the court order prevents you from releasing witness statements that the FBI took.

[Cash Patel]

You should know that as a real prosecutor, when the court hand downs a protective order and a motion to seal, the material is sealed.

[Congressmember Dan Goldman]

Unless that testimony here is that all of those witness statements are under a court order, a protective order.

[Cash Patel]

We are providing everything we can legally provide.

[Congressmember Dan Goldman]

Now, that's not my question. My question is, why are those witness statements that are not grand jury testimony, that if they were under a protective order, are no longer under a protective order? Why are they not being released?

[Cash Patel]

How are they not under protect?

[Congressmember Dan Goldman]

Why are you not going to the court like you did for the grand jury testimony to unseal those records?

[Cash Patel]

DOJ did go to the court.

[Congressmember Dan Goldman]

No, not on those records. Why aren't you going? You just went on grand jury.

[Committee Chair]

I mean, the gentleman's expired.

[Congressmember Dan Goldman]

You are hiding the Epstein files.

[Podcast Host]

Okay, well, you heard that for yourself. Well, let's look at what the court ruled August 20, 2025. This order is in connection with the DOJ requesting that the court release grand jury transcripts which the court would not otherwise be allowed to produce. Because there is a rule under the federal rules of criminal Procedure which basically say grand jury testimony is not allowed to be produced. It's not even helpful, the grand jury testimony here, because it's just one former FBI officer who was just testifying very broadly about the investigation just of Ghislaine and Jeffrey Epstein, no one else. And it was done in a few hours. This is not the files, and this is not the stuff that the DOJ has. The DOJ has three to four terabytes of information, meaning enough info that could basically fill three or four skyscrapers, from the basement to the tippy top of the skyscraper. So the federal judge is like, why would I. Why would I turn over grand jury transcripts? That's against the law. But you have the files. DOJ to turn over the files is what the judge said, not it's subject to a protective order. It can't be turned over. The judge, what is it? A month ago at this point, like exactly a month ago said, no, you turn it over. So here's what the judge says. Having reviewed, among other things, the government's motion, the grand jury transcripts, et cetera, the court says, the court denies the government's motion to unseal the Epstein grand jury transcripts and exhibits. But let's go to page six and seven. It says the government is seeking this disclosure of the grand jury testimony. And then the court says a significant and compelling reason to reject the government's position in this litigation. The Trump administration in this litigation is that the government has already undertaken a comprehensive investigation into the Epstein case and not surprisingly, has assembled a trove of Epstein documents, interviews and exhibits. And the government committed that it would share its Epstein investigation materials with the public. See Press release of PAM BONDI, Phase 1 Declassification the government's 100,000 pages of Epstein files and materials dwarf the 70 odd pages of Epstein grand jury material the government's Epstein files are something that should be produced. They are investigatory and not subject to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6e. The government is the logical party to make comprehensive disclosure to the public of the Epstein files. By comparison, the instant grand jury motion appears to be a diversion from the breadth and scope of the Epstein files in the government's possession. The grand jury testimony is merely a hearsay snippet of Jeffrey Epstein's alleged conduct. In February 2025, the government, as noted, was prepared to release their Epstein files to the public. But then on July 6, 2025, the government announced it would not make the files available to the public. Then the court goes on to say on the last page of the order, the information contained in the Epstein Grand Jury trans scripts pales in comparison to the Epstein investigation. Information and materials in the hands of the Department of Justice for the reason stated above. That's why the Grand Jury testimony was rejected. But basically, produce the records is what is being said there. But Cash Patel continued on with his lies. When Cash Patel was asked by Congressmember Swalwell whether or not the FBI told or whether he told Bondi that Trump's name is in the Epstein files, take a watch at what Patel responds.

[Democratic Congressman]

Play this clip remembering your oath to tell the truth. Did you ever tell Donald Trump his name is in the files?

[Cash Patel]

I have never spoken to President Trump about the Epstein files.

[Democratic Congressman]

Did you ever tell the Attorney General that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files?

[Cash Patel]

The Attorney General and I have had numerous discussions about the entirety of the Epstein files and the reviews conducted by our team.

[Democratic Congressman]

You tell the Attorney General that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files.

[Cash Patel]

And we have released where President Trump is in the simple question did you.

[Democratic Congressman]

Tell the Attorney General that the President's name is in the Epstein files?

[Cash Patel]

During many conversations that the Attorney General and I have had on the matter of Epstein, we have Reviewed.

[Democratic Congressman]

The question is simple.

[Podcast Host]

Who?

[Democratic Congressman]

You tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files. Yes or no?

[Cash Patel]

Why don't you try spelling it out?

[Democratic Congressman]

Yes.

[Senator John Kennedy]

No.

[Cash Patel]

Use the Alphabet.

[Democratic Congressman]

Yes or no?

[Cash Patel]

No. ABC Director, it sounds like you don't.

[Democratic Congressman]

Want to tell us. Did you tell the attorney General that Donald Trump's name was in the Epstein files?

[Cash Patel]

Why don't you try serving your constituency by focusing on reducing violent crime in this country and the number of pedophiles that are legally harbored in sanctuary cities in California? I'll work with you on that regular order.

[Committee Chair]

I'm the laws. A gentleman from California.

[Democratic Congressman]

Did you tell the attorney general that Donald Trump's name is in the Epstein files?

[Cash Patel]

Question has been asked and answered.

[Democratic Congressman]

You've not answered it. And we will take your evasiveness as a consciousness of guilt.

[Podcast Host]

And so even Republican Senator John Kennedy is starting to feel uneasy about all of this. Here he is on CNN when he's asked, why do you think it is that the FBI won't release these files? Play this clip.

[Senator John Kennedy]

So you there questioning Cash Patel, and.

[Podcast Host]

I just keep coming back to this question.

[Senator John Kennedy]

Why do you think it is that they won't put these files out? I don't know, but they're going to have to put them out sooner or later. Are they covering for people? I don't know. I have no idea. But I have been saying since the beginning of this, it's not complicated. Here's what the American people are thinking. They've been listening to all this for several years and they followed it pretty closely. And here's what they're thinking, okay, Epstein was a pig. Epstein trafficked young women, some of whom were minors. He trafficked them in part or maybe in whole to himself. But he had a lot of friends and a lot of important people. Who else did he traffic these young girls to? Now, that's a very appropriate question. And the Justice Department, to which the President has kicked his issues don't have to answer that. Just that simple song going away.

[Podcast Host]

Here's Kennedy again when asked about Trump.

[Senator John Kennedy]

Do you think that the president is potentially one of those people? I don't have no idea. I have no idea. Are they trying to cover up for the President? I asked Cash yesterday, point blank, I said, who else, if anyone, besides Epstein were these young women trafficked to? And he said, nobody. It's not in our files now and that's fine. I'm not saying he's lying. I don't know one way or the other. I'm Just saying that after all the rhetoric, they're going to have to release the files and let people decide for themselves.

[Podcast Host]

And finally, here's what Kennedy says about Trump here, play this clip.

[Senator John Kennedy]

But the problem with that is that many people in the administration talked frequently before they became part of the administration and some afterwards about how, you know, there's some really important people there involved and the American people need to know. And now, now they've got to come clean. And it's I'm ready to get past it. If it were up to me, I just release the documents and let the chips fall where they may. Could the president be mentioned in them? Maybe wouldn't be surprised if he was because he and Epstein many years ago, we're friends, but we'll never get past this. On to other important things until they they release the documents.

[Podcast Host]

Lastly, I want to leave you with what Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett had to say. Here, play this clip.

[Democratic Congresswoman Jasmine Crockett]

There has been so much today and I truly don't know where to start. So I'm just going to make sure that we start off with a few facts. So a couple of facts that we need to make clear for everyone is that, number one, Director Christopher Wray, when he was appointed to be the head of the FBI, was appointed by Donald Trump. Now, I will agree that I definitely take issue with a number of decisions that Donald Trump makes, especially when it comes to the people that he decides to appoint. Two very important positions, including this one, because I did have to make sure that I wasn't going crazy. But when I say that you are the least qualified FBI director in the history of the FBI, that is real. And because you are the only one that never even served with the FBI prior to joining, yet we are supposed to believe that you are the greatest thing since sliced bread. I didn't ask you a question. Now what I want to go through is to talk about why you are a failure and why, honestly, we just need to tell you. Bye bye.

[Podcast Host]

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