GOP Leaders Instantly Fold at Hearing Under Cross Exam

Summary

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Podcast Summary: GOP Leaders Instantly Fold at Hearing Under Cross Exam

The MeidasTouch Podcast
Date: September 3, 2025
Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas

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Episode Overview

This episode dives into the explosive congressional hearings around the release of the Epstein files and highlights how GOP leaders, notably James Comer, fumbled under cross-examination by Democratic colleagues. The Meiselas brothers use their distinct blend of legal insight, media savvy, and sharp humor to uncover the partisan maneuvering, dismissive responses, and deepening suspicion around the partial release of critical documents. The discussion spotlights bipartisan efforts, the Trump administration’s alleged obstruction, and the personal dynamics within the House Oversight Committee. The episode also features memorable interactions and revealing moments from various lawmakers.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Epstein Files Dispute and the Discharge Petition

• The episode opens with details on the bipartisan push led by Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY) and Rep. Ro Khanna (D-CA) to fully release the Epstein files via a discharge petition—an effort to bypass MAGA-aligned Speaker Mike Johnson.
• Trump allies warn that supporting this bipartisan effort is a “hostile act” against the administration.

Quote:

"This is about standing with survivors and protecting kids. The people playing politics are the ones not signing our petition to force the release of the Epstein files."
— Ro Khanna, (09:06)

2. James Comer Under Fire

• Rep. Jim McGovern directly presses Committee Chair James Comer to answer if he supports the Massie-Khanna bipartisan resolution.
• Comer repeatedly dodges, claiming the discharge petition is “just a political stunt” and lacks “force of law.”

Notable Exchange:

• Jim McGovern: "Do you support the Massie Khanna resolution? Yes or no?" (03:49)
• James Comer: "We're already doing it... You're just trying to do a political stunt." (03:55–04:31)

3. Manipulation Around Ghislaine Maxwell’s Testimony & DOJ Document Dump

• DOJ released 33,000 pages labeled as Epstein files; only 1% is new content, the rest rehashed old materials.
• Comer deflects criticism about Ghislaine Maxwell's “favorable” treatment, suggesting Democrats are bitter “because she exonerated Trump.”
• Commentary highlights the bizarreness and inaccuracies in Maxwell’s statements, and asserts ongoing efforts to downplay Trump links.

Quote:

"Now you're mad because she exonerated Trump... We brought in Bill Barr, who is—no, I don't think it's any secret that he and Trump aren't best of friends."
— James Comer, (08:23)

4. Cross-Examination by Congresswoman Fernandez

• Rep. Teresa Leger Fernandez takes Comer to task for trying to keep control over redactions and for refusing bipartisan oversight.
• Fernandez presses for a written amendment to guarantee that both parties can approve document releases, which Comer dodges.

Key Moment: (10:54–13:35)

• Fernandez: “Would you be willing to accept an amendment [for real bipartisan review]?”
• Comer: “I think the resolution's good…”
• Fernandez: “This is why we want to make it the law of the land… so we can make sure everything gets responded to.”

5. Republican Infighting and Contradictory Trumper Responses

• Rep. Massie stands by survivors and is attacked for siding against Trump.
• Rep. Lauren Boebert signs on to the petition but hedges: “The President's called it a hoax and maybe it is. We'll see. But I think that we should have transparency.” (16:32)
• Rep. Nancy Mace floats that Trump “banned Epstein from Mar-a-Lago” and was an “FBI informant”—contradictory narratives question Trump's innocence.

Quote:

“I've got three billionaires running ads against me in Kentucky, and one of them's in Epstein's black book, so I'm not worried about it. Once you’re in for a penny, you’re in for a pound.”
— Thomas Massie, (20:10)

6. Ongoing Obstruction and Transparency Failures

• Dan Goldman (D-NY) and Rep. Garcia highlight how the DOJ and GOP leadership are collaborating to suppress full release, with the White House reportedly trying to shield sensitive information.

Goldman’s Take:

"This is a massive cover up. They're not just stonewalling, they're trying to do it through charades and sleight of hand... My suspicion is that the Oversight Committee is colluding with the Department of Justice." (21:26)

7. Broader Context: GOP Blocking Capitol Police Recognition

• The Rules Committee, mainly along partisan lines, votes down posting a plaque honoring Capitol Police for January 6, despite existing law.
• The Meiselas brothers call this out as part of a larger pattern of Trump-aligned disrespect and institutional rot.

Vote Moment: (23:50–24:27)

• Final tally: 4 ayes (Democrats), 9 nays (Republicans)—the amendment to honor Capitol Police fails.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jim McGovern:
  "It's a simple yes or no question. Do you support the bipartisan Massie Khanna bill to demand the release of the Epstein files?" (04:17)

• Thomas Massie:
  "They've given us the sleeves off their vest." (16:57)

• Dan Goldman:
  "There's nothing new. This is all a charade. This is all an effort by the DOJ at Trump's direction to collaborate with Chairman James Comer and the top Republicans in Congress..." (22:45)

• Narrator/Host (on Maxwell’s statements):
  "I've always seen him as a gentleman. That's what I saw... It's like a Mary Poppins routine. It was very weird and odd." (09:22)

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Timestamps to Key Segments

• Epstein files dispute background & discharge petition: 01:10–04:50
• Comer dodges support question (McGovern exchange): 03:49–05:20
• Ghislaine Maxwell testimony discussion: 07:51–09:22
• Rep. Fernandez cross-examines Comer: 10:54–13:35
• Massie, Boebert, & Mace—GOP splits: 15:55–19:21
• Goldman & Garcia on cover-up: 21:26–22:45
• Blocked Capitol Police plaque vote: 23:50–24:27

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Tone & Takeaways

The Meiselas brothers’ tone is sharp, indignant, and deeply sardonic—mistrustful of GOP intentions and insistent that the push for transparency is a matter of justice for Epstein’s victims, not partisan theater. They highlight the absurdity of evasive answers, contradictory Republican narratives, and the real threat of bipartisan corruption. The episode is a call for vigilance, a celebration of cross-examination, and a blistering critique of the ongoing cover-up.

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For Listeners Seeking More

For listeners who missed the episode, this summary offers a roadmap of the political drama, key exchanges, and underlying themes of accountability versus cover-up central to both the Epstein file controversy and the broader dysfunction revealed in Congress.

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Transcript

[Narrator/Host]

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[Jim McGovern]

I mean, do you support the Mass Econna resolution? Yes or no?

[James Comer]

We're already doing it. And the discharge petition does not have the force of law. We've already subpoenaed.

[Jim McGovern]

You can be. And I'll let.

[James Comer]

No. Look, Mr. McGar, it's very disappointing that you're trying to politicize this. We're trying to get answers. We're trying to do everything that's in this discharge petition. But. But you're trying to politicize.

[Jim McGovern]

I know it's a yes or no question. It's not a trick question. I mean, do you think we've already.

[James Comer]

Done what the discharge petition's asking?

[Jim McGovern]

Do you think the resolution saying to keep doing what you were doing is better than a bill that can become the bill?

[James Comer]

The bill has no force of law. It has no force of the law. You're just trying to do a political stunt.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

Look, ask the question.

[Jim McGovern]

Well, I was asking a question. He interrupted me. It's a simple yes or no question. Simple yes or no question.

[James Comer]

We're already doing it.

[Jim McGovern]

All right, well, that's not a yes or no, but do you think the resolution saying to keep doing what you were doing is better than a bill that can become law, which would require the release of all the files?

[James Comer]

It doesn't have the force of the law. It's just a political stunt. It's just a political stunt.

[Jim McGovern]

And you know the resolution, the kind of is a mass economy would become law. If all you Republicans want everything released, then, you know, you could vote for it. And then if he decides to veto it, you could override the veto.

[Narrator/Host]

As Ro Khanna says, Massie is a conservative. I'm a progressive. This is about standing with survivors and protecting kids. Kids, the people playing politics are the ones not signing our petition to force the release of the Epstein files. And Democratic Congressmember Jim McGovern says I asked a simple yes or no question. Do you support the bipartisan Massie Khana bill to demand the release of the Epstein files? James Comer couldn't answer. I wonder why. Because Comer's been ordered by the Trump regime to be part of this cover up. And the way this coverup is going down as well is that about, what, a week and a half ago or two weeks ago, the DOJ produced 33,000 documents that they claim are the Epstein files. They're not the same way. Back in February, they gave those right wing influencers a binder that was like, epstein files. And I was like, that's not the Epstein files. That's a binder with Epstein's, like, phone call list on it. And that's been released many, many years ago. What they did two weeks ago, the DOJ is they released 33,000 documents that had already been our pages that had already been produced before. Also, 1% of what they produced was actually new stuff. And that's not the Epstein files of what we know to be out there. The stuff that likely also has Trump's name and all the powerful rich people who were part of this, potentially part of this broader conspiracy taking place. So James Comers asked about Ghislaine Maxwell and should we do oversight regarding why was the Trump DOJ interviewing Ghislaine Maxwell like that? And they moved her to a minimum security facility and they gave her immunity. And James Comer is like, well, I think y' all are just jealous that Maxwell exonerated Donald Trump. Maxwell exonerated Donald Trump. This is part. Do you see what they're doing here? This is all. This was the plan that they hatched over the summer. Call Congress into recess, get Ghislaine to meet with Donald Trump's former criminal defense attorney. The number two at the doj, Todd Blanche, who was Trump's former criminal defense attorney. Give her immunity, get her to say the right things, release 33,000 old files. But it's a big number, 33,000. So then tell the people, look, we released the Epstein files and Delaine Vindicated Trump.

[James Comer]

Wow.

[Narrator/Host]

We did, we did our job. No, that's just part of your plan to cover it up. And we're staying laser focused on what's really happen happening here. Watch Coma respond to this question and say y' all are just mad that Elaine Maxwell exonerated Donald Trump. Play this clip.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

Question was whether you would hold a hearing as we'll have a hearing transfer you, why she was transferred after we'll have a hearing.

[James Comer]

And if someone wants to ask that question, they can ask it. You can ask any question. We'll have a hearing you.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

But it wasn't a hearing on what the question was.

[James Comer]

And when you want to have a whole hearing, a whole entire hearing, not about the victims, not about a government cover up, not about human trafficking, but about Maxwell, who you all were like begging to be deposed. And I did the spina. Now you want to, now you don't. Now you're mad because she exonerated Trump. We brought in Bill Barr, who is. No, you know, I don't think it's any secret that he and Trump aren't best of friends. And he.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

I'm going to reclaim my time.

[James Comer]

Well, that's fine.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

The question wasn't about shouldn't we do all these things. But this is something very specific that indeed, as I understand the victims raised today, they're outraged that this has happened and it is indeed a re traumatization when somebody who has done such horrible things is then treated favorably under these conditions. And I think that's where, where it's at.

[Narrator/Host]

By the way, she didn't exonerate Donald Trump. Let's be very clear. She said she didn't see things with Epstein. She said she didn't see things with Donald Trump. She didn't even know how she met Donald Trump. And she's like, I didn't really even have a good relationship. I didn't really know him that much. I've always seen him as a gentleman. That's what I saw as I'm little Mary Poppins is like a Mary Poppins routine. It was very weird and odd. And then she also said, oh, Epstein didn't really like the young women or that she called them women. It's girls. Let's be clear what it is. It's like, yeah, he, he liked the, he liked the young women because he was interested in their taste of music. He really wanted to know, like, what the, what the kids were listening to that. That's all. And then she went on to say, do you think that all of these, like, powerful Dignified men would be hanging out with Epstein if he was creepy. He wasn't that creepy. So let's be clear what the hell Ghislaine was saying and what we've been exposing here at the such network. Then you have Democratic Congresswoman Fernandez and she does a great job cross examining a coma right here. And she says, okay, Comber, under the way you are proposing to do things, you become the authority of redactions and what gets produced publicly. If you really want to do this in a bipartisan way, why don't you agree in writing that it's you and Democratic Congress member Garcia, the ranking member. You both do it together so we can have transparency and watch Comer squirm under cross exam. Here, play this clip.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

Now, Chairman Comer, this resolution would give you it and only you the power to decide what information in these documents is redacted or withheld. Is that correct?

[James Comer]

Well, the, you know, we're trying to do this in a bipartisan manner. Our staffs are communicating, I think, I hope Mr. Garcia would agree. I think our staffs, he's new to the job and I think our staffs are working together really well and hopefully we'll continue to work well. Like I said, I want this to be bipartisan.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

So Chairman Comer, I appreciate that fact that you said you want to work on a bipartisan basis on this, but the resolution does not require you to consult with the ranking member.

[James Comer]

The only thing that's.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

And if you want to be bipartisan, would you, you, would you be willing to accept an amendment to.

[James Comer]

I'm making a pledge to work with Mr. Garcia.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

A pledge is a wonderful thing, but an amendment that actually puts it into writing would be great. Would you be willing to accept that amendment?

[James Comer]

I think we're, I think the resolution's good and hopefully we'll vote it out in a bipartisan manner.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

Okay, so you're not willing to actually put it in writing that you will. That the ranking member will be consulted before you approve.

[James Comer]

I guarantee that I'll consult with them a heck of a lot more than Elijah Cummings and Carolyn Maloney consulted with me when they were chairman of that meeting.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

I'm asking about past, I'm asking about what's. And this is the problem. And the reason why we're concerned about this is Chairman Comer. I've read accounts of you describing yourself as a Trump man.

[James Comer]

I mean, yes, I support the President.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

You support the president. And this is why it would be important to have in writing the bipartisan nature because we want there to be bipartisanship so that it is not a.

[James Comer]

I wanted to but you all are making a good case up here. But I'm trying hopeful that Mr. Garcia is going to see past the behavior of the Democrats on the Rules Committee.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

Madam Chairman Comar, I was speaking and I think that it is important that we have people looking at these docs that are not a Trump man so that we can make sure that everything gets responded to. Because right now we haven't seen it. And that's why we want to make it the law of the land. We want to make sure that all Republicans vote on the Mass Econo resolution so that they can say we want to make sure it becomes available.

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[Narrator/Host]

More from Democratic Congressmember McGovern right here and McGovern makes it clear. Okay, so you're investigating the mismanagement that led to Epstein's death. Who was in office during that time period? Here, play this clip.

[Jim McGovern]

Mr. Conway, this resolution that is before us right now says that you're investigating mismanagement that led to Mr. Epstein's death, who was the president? United States. When Mr. Epstein died in custody.

[James Comer]

It would have, I would assume it would have been Trump.

[Jim McGovern]

Yeah.

[Narrator/Host]

And I got to give a hat tip to Republican Congressmember Thomas Massie. He's been steadfast. He's been attacked every way by Trump and MAGA at this point. And Manu Raju from CNN asks Massie, so Donald Trump's calling this all a hoax, that Epstein's a hoax, the files are a hoax. What's your response, Massie? He gives a brilliant response. Play this clip. The president's called it a hoax.

[Dan Goldman]

He's called it a hoax.

[Thomas Massie]

I hope he doesn't say that after tomorrow when 10 of the survivors testify in public, that that would be very disrespectful.

[Narrator/Host]

Next, Manu Raju asks MAGA Republican Congressmember Lauren Boebert, who by the way, signed on to the bipartisan discharge petition with, with Massey and with Kana. And here she's asked by Manu Raju says, is Donald Trump is calling this a hoax? What do you have to say about it? Watch her response. Let's play this clip.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

American people have been demanding answers. I've been demanding answers, and I would like to see what's actually there.

[Narrator/Host]

The President's called the a hoax and maybe it is. We'll see.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

But I, I think that we should have transparency.

[Narrator/Host]

More from Thomas Massie right here. Here play this clip where he says, look, the documents that the DOJ turned over, it's like 1% of what they possess and they've turned over 97% of what's already been released. Like, what the hell are they doing? Watch Massie Cook here. Play this clip.

[Thomas Massie]

It's like only 1% of what they possess and 97% of it's already been released. I'm afraid is this is gonna be like Pam Bondi's binders is people are gonna dig into it and say there's nothing new here. They haven't given us anything. They've given us the sleeves off their vest.

[Narrator/Host]

Here was an interesting part where you had maga. Republican Congresswoman Nancy May say she's not worried about crossing Donald Trump on Epstein. Cuz she goes, donald Trump is the one who banned Epstein from Mar A Lago. He was an FBI informant. He talked to the feds to get this guy turned over. So Donald Trump is a hero in all of this. It's interesting for her to say that Trump was an informant. That's new. But by the way, that's what Michael Wolf, Donald Trump's former biographer and Epstein's potential biographer actually was saying that Epstein believed that after Epstein and Trump were involved in potential litigation and Trump screwed over Epstein on a real estate deal where Trump sold a property in Southern Florida for twice the purchase price. He scooped the property out of when Epstein said he was gonna buy it. And Epstein was pissed. And Epstein was wondering, how'd you get this Russian oligarch to double the price of what you bought it for? Donald. Epstein actually thought that because he and Donald were involved in. Let's just lot of things together. We'll just say that things that Donald may have said. Donald's not the hero in this story. Donald was aware of what Epstein was doing for reasons and that Epstein was like, maybe Donald was an anonymous source that that told on me to avoid the litigation that may have been coming. Donald Trump. So it was actually one of the things that Epstein thought like, whoa. Because Trump was there with Epstein and saw a lot of things as well. Let me show you this as well. But Trump was not the good guy, and he's very much the bad guy in that story. Anna Paulina Luna, right here. Here's what she's got to say. Play this clip. Is there more information beyond these 33,000.

[Thomas Massie]

Pages that needs to come out?

[Narrator/Host]

There's going to be names. The attorneys kept emphasizing. You need to follow up on the names. These girls are not just making this up.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

These are some of the wealthiest people.

[Narrator/Host]

Probably in the world.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

And we'll start from there.

[Narrator/Host]

More from Thomas Massie. Let's play it.

[Thomas Massie]

Look, if my legislation were redundant, why would the White House be trying to stop it? It's not redundant. There's. There are things that the White House doesn't want out there that my legislation would cause to be released and that even the White House doesn't believe that the Oversight Committee has released everything.

[Narrator/Host]

More from Thomas Massie here. Let's play it.

[Thomas Massie]

Jobs, the economy, those are always the big issues. But you really can't solve any of that if this place is corrupt. What do you mean if this place is corrupt? Well, I mean, if they're going to cover up for rich and powerful and politically connected people, which is still what is happening right now here.

[Narrator/Host]

Are you worried about the blowback that you're facing from the White House, from the President?

[Thomas Massie]

He continues to attack you for taking steps like this. Look, I got three billionaires right now running ads against me in Kentucky, and one of them's in Epstein's black book. So I'm not worried about it. I've already to poke the hornets nest here. And you know, once you're, once you're in for a penny, you're in for a pound. We're going to get these files released.

[Narrator/Host]

Here is Democratic Congressmember Garcia talking about how the documents that were turned over by the DOJ were all these old documents. Play this clip. Most of the, most of the documents that were sent to our committee, those initial documents were given to right wing influencers back in February. The files and the full report, according to the Attorney General, were sitting on her desk ready to be released. We know that the Attorney General herself has shared with the President directly that he is also in the files. The reason, and we don't understand why this cover up by the President continues to not release the full files. And so the discharge petition is an important additional step forward for the Congress, the full Congress to be on record to release the full files. And here was Democratic Congressmember Dan Goldman talking about the massive cover up here. Play this clip.

[Dan Goldman]

Mike Johnson shut down Congress a week early because he didn't even want to deal with these Epstein files. But the fact of the matter is there's, this is a cover up. This is a massive cover up. They're not just stonewalling, they're trying to do it through charades and sleight of hand, so to speak. But they are covering something up. Donald Trump was hot to trot and Cash Patel and Dan Bongino were leading the charge to release the Epstein files. Now all of a sudden they don't want them released. They are trying to hide something. And by releasing these documents, most of which have been released before, others will not have any relevant information. My suspicion is that the Oversight Committee is colluding with the Department of Justice. If you look at a resolution, an alternative resolution they're going to present this week, it does not call for the wit statements. It gives all sorts of, goes through many different sections, types of information that should be released. It doesn't include the witness statements. If it doesn't include the witness statements, then it doesn't include the core of the Epstein files.

[Narrator/Host]

One more clip here from Congressmember Goldman. Let's play it. Congressman, do you think, I mean, it seems like there's nothing really new in these so far.

[Dan Goldman]

There's nothing new. This is all a charade. This is all an effort by the DOJ at Trump's direction to collaborate with Chairman James Comer and the top Republicans in Congress to give the Republicans enough so that they have political cover to conceal the Epstein files. And Whatever it is in there that Donald Trump is so desperate to hide after he was so desperate for it to be released.

[Narrator/Host]

And on a slightly different topic, here are Republicans on the Rules Committee voting down an amendment that would require the speaker to hang a plaque honoring Capitol Police officers who protected members of Congress on January 6, which is already required by law. There's a law saying you have to post this, but they're not doing it. Why? Because Donald Trump is a vile piece of trash. Play this clip. Is there any further discussion on the amendment hearing? None. The question's on the amendment. All those in favor signify by saying aye.

[Jim McGovern]

Aye.

[Narrator/Host]

Those opposed say no.

[James Comer]

No.

[Narrator/Host]

In the opinion of the chair that knows how.

[Jim McGovern]

I ask for a roll call, though. Madam Chair.

[Narrator/Host]

The clerk will call the roll.

[Clerk]

Mrs. Fishbach.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

No.

[Clerk]

Mrs. Fishbach. No dot Mr. Norman. Mr. Norman.

[Narrator/Host]

No.

[Clerk]

Mr. Roy. Mr. Roy. No. Mrs. Houchen. Mrs. Houchen.

[James Comer]

No.

[Clerk]

Mr. Langworthy. Mr. Langworthy. No. Mr. Scott. Mr. Scott. No. Mr. Griffith.

[Narrator/Host]

No.

[Clerk]

Mr. Griffith. No. Mr. Jack.

[Narrator/Host]

No.

[Clerk]

Mr. Jack. No. Mrs. McGovern.

[Narrator/Host]

Aye.

[Clerk]

Mr. McGovern. Aye. Ms. Scanlon.

[Narrator/Host]

Aye.

[Clerk]

Ms. Scanlon. I am Mr. Negus. Mr. Negus. I am Ms.

[Narrator/Host]

Ledger.

[Clerk]

Fernandez. Fernandez. Aye. Madam Chair.

[Narrator/Host]

No.

[Clerk]

Madam Chair. No.

[Narrator/Host]

Clerk will report the total.

[Clerk]

Four yeas. Nine A's.

[Narrator/Host]

Nose have it. The amendments not agreed to. There you have it, folks. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million. Love this video. Support independent media and unlock exclusive content ad free videos and custom emojis by becoming a paid member of our YouTube channel today. You can also gift memberships to others. Let's keep going. Growing together.

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This summer, Instacart is bringing.

[Narrator/Host]

Back your favorites from 1999 with prices from 1999. That means 90s prices on juice pouches that ought to be respected. 90s prices on boxed Mac and cheese and 90s prices on ham, cheese and cracker lunches. Enjoy all those throwbacks and more at throwback prices only through Instacart. $4.72.

[Congresswoman Fernandez]

Maximum discount per $10 of eligible items.

[Narrator/Host]

Limit three offers per order expiration September 5th while supplies last discount based on CPI comparison.