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Governor J.B. Pritzker
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Ben (Interviewer/Host)
A.Com hidden the White House is in panic mode as Donald Trump's approval is crashing on the Real Clear Politics average. Over the past week, Donald Trump's approval has dropped approximately 4 points there and it keeps on getting lower. We've also been covering how all these right wing podcasters are turning against Donald Trump for his cover up of the Epstein files, for sending his ICE and border patrol Gestapo, these SS like armies and into peaceful communities to terrorize them. Or for Donald Trump pardoning the biggest drug traffickers and fraudsters and criminals. People are. And the off nature against Trump continues to grow. So let me show you what went down in the White House where Carol Lyon Levitt, Donald Trump's chief propagandist, asks a reporter what the reporter thought was the reason that Renee Nicole Goode was killed. The reporter answers the question and gives the opinion that he was asked for. And then Levitt starts attacking the reporter. Watch what takes place.
Caroline Levitt
Why was Renee Goode unfortunately and tragically killed?
Governor J.B. Pritzker
Are you asking me my opinion? Because a nice agent acted recklessly until we unjustifiable.
Caroline Levitt
Oh, okay, so you're a biased reporter with a left wing opinion.
Governor J.B. Pritzker
What do you want me to do?
Caroline Levitt
Yeah, because you're a left wing hack. You're not a reporter. You're posing in this room as a journalist. And it's so clear by the premise of your question. And you and the people in the media who have such biases but fake like you're a journalist, you shouldn't even be sitting in that seat. But you're pretending like you're a journalist, but you're a left wing activist. And the question that you just raised and your answer proves your bias. You should be reporting on the facts. You should be reporting on the cases. Do you have the numbers of how many American citizens were killed at the hands of illegal aliens who ICE is trying to remove from this country.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
Then Caroline Levitt declares that there is no more inflation and that Donald Trump has defeated Biden's inflation crisis. She says here, play this clip.
Caroline Levitt
President has already delivered. Tuesday's CPI report marked the latest confirmation that President Trump has defeated Joe Biden's inflation crisis. Since President Trump took office, core CPI has increased at just a 2.4% annualized rate, substantially lower than the 3.3% annual rate inherited by from the Biden administration last January.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
Next, Caroline Levitt is asked about Donald Trump statements about canceling elections. Twice in recent days, Donald Trump has said he doesn't want any more elections and Caroline Levitt says that's just Donald Trump joking around. Play this clip.
Governor J.B. Pritzker
My question is President Trump has talked twice in recent days, once at the Kennedy center and then to Reuters again last night about canceling the election. Why is he talking about this?
Caroline Levitt
I believe you're referring to the President's interview at Reuters last night. I was in that interview. It was a closed door interview. Obviously there was not audio or video. The President was simply joking. He was saying we're doing such a great job, we're doing everything. The American people thought maybe we should just keep rolling. But he was speaking facetiously.
Governor J.B. Pritzker
And then one more.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
So then another reporter asked Caroline Levitt if she thinks it's just a funny joke to say that we don't want elections anymore and that this is is a humorous topic that presidents should be talking about. Here. Play this clip. Thank you.
Governor J.B. Pritzker
Caroline. Two questions. First, a follow up on one of.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
My colleagues who asked you about the.
Governor J.B. Pritzker
President's interview with lawyers. You said that he was joking about canceling the elections. But Americans for generations have fought and died for democracy, for this democracy. Are you saying that the president finds.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
The idea of canceling elections funny?
Caroline Levitt
Andrew, were you in the room? No. You weren't? I was in the room. I heard the conversation. And only someone like you would take that so seriously and pose it as a question that way.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
Next, Caroline Levitt is asked whether the fact that other nations in Europe are putting special forces and troops in Greenland, will that deter a United States invasion of Greenland? To which Caroline Levitt says, yeah, if European nations put their special forces there, doesn't matter the our invasion plans or plans to acquire it or take it over by any means necessary and all options are on the table. That doesn't change. In essence saying that America would go to war against Europe. This is what's going down this morning. Here, play this clip right here.
Caroline Levitt
Well, to Your first question on Greenland. I don't think troops in Europe impact the president's decision making process, nor does it impact his goal of the acquisition of Greenland at all. To your second question, I mean, anyone in their right mind with common sense who's speaking honestly and candidly will say that men cannot get pregnant. And I think I can attest to that myself. So thank you all very much.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
Next, Caroline Levitt was asked if it's still Donald Trump's assessment that the opposition leader of Venezuela, Maria Corina Machado, or Edmundo Gonzalez, who won the election back in July, if they are still ineffective and lack the respect and support of Venezuela such that they should not run the country. And you'll see that Caroline Levitt says, basically Trump's person is Delsey Rodriguez, who is Maduro's vp. Trump likes the authoritarian regime in Venezuela right now. Watch what Caroline Levitt says here. Play this clip.
Governor J.B. Pritzker
Thank you, Caroline.
Caroline Levitt
Is it still the president's assessment that it would be very hard for Ms. Machado to leave Venezuela because he says she lacks the respect and support in that country and will he raise that with her today? I think the president's assessment that you just pointed out was based on realities on the ground. It was a realistic assessment based on what the President was reading and hearing from his advisors and national security team. And at this moment in time, his opinion on that matter has not changed.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
And then finally, Caroline Levitt lies and says that drug prices are now down 500% and that Trump has implemented a most favored nation's provision, which is just not true at all. Play this clip.
Caroline Levitt
Small fraction of those who are within the healthcare marketplace. But every single American will continue to see their costs go down, and I will note that they already are with respect to prescription drug prices. When you look at what the President has done with most favored nations, you've seen these big pharmaceutical companies in the Oval Office saying that this president and his team were nonstop around the clock pressuring us and negotiating with us to lower the cost of prescription drugs for Americans. And we are already seeing that to the tune in some cases of more than 500%. And that Trump RX website is something that the administration will be formally not launching very soon. So Americans will have access to those lower, lower costs of drugs.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
Now I'm joined by Governor J.B. pritzker of the great state of Illinois. Governor, it's great to see you. We see what, what's happening on the streets of Minneapolis and St. Paul right now. Similarly, Operation Midway Blitz in Chicago in the surrounding areas. I mean, you have these ICE agents and Border Patrol agents terrorizing communities. I mean, what's your message as we sit here today, January 15th, and we see Trump talking about Insurrection Act? It feels to me, whether they formally declare martial law or Insurrection act, they've put the troops on the streets doing the same thing that we would envision what those acts are. Anyway, I view this as an invasion. How do you see it?
Governor J.B. Pritzker
Well, that's exactly right. I think you've characterized it exactly properly. Remember, we fought like heck and won finally at the Supreme Court on the issue of whether National Guard could be called in. This is short of the Insurrection Act. And, and remember, they didn't go away. I mean, they. The National Guard went away, but what they did was they doubled down with ICE and CBP in uniforms, automatic weapons in the streets, marching through downtown Chicago, not to mention in the neighborhoods and scaring people, you know, throwing tear gas, all the rest of it. And importantly, because I know people are now paying attention to it in Minnesota, but someone was killed here in Illinois. Silverio Villegas Gonzalez killed. And he was just taking his kids, just had dropped them off at daycare and they killed him. And he had done nothing, Ryan. And they said, you know, they lied about it in the aftermath of that and as they have about the killing in Minnesota. And it's not till, you know, you look at the video or you get the testimony of eyewitnesses that you find out, you know, complete lies coming from the Department of Homeland Security. And they do it over and over again. We had Maramar Martinez shot five times in her car. They claimed that she had boxed them in and that she was aggressively going after them. But you know what? All the charges were dropped because it turns out complete bs. So what I would say to the people of Minneapolis and Minnesota is they're following the playbook that we had to kind of invent and create in Chicago. And it's working. And as long as you maintain the peaceful part of the peaceful protest, it is hugely beneficial. It does not give them an excuse to bring in troops. If you're out there loud, blowing your whistles, walking on the sidewalk and videoing, very important, everybody pull out your phones. Because it's allowing us to keep them accountable. We took them to court here and won over and over again as a result of the evidence that we were able to put together. So it's, it's awful what's happening right now. And of course, you know, just to remind you that the feds are supposed to be fighting to protect your civil rights, not to take them away. And the Insurrection act is designed only for circumstances where your rights can't be protected by, you know, local authorities or by whatever federal authorities are already there. And then only then can federal troops be brought in to protect your civil rights. This is exactly the opposite. It's like they've turned it on their head, on its head. And your civil rights are being infringed upon by CBP and ice. And then they want to call in troops on top of that, not to protect your civil rights, but claiming that they're protecting CBP and ice. And it's just false. It's all, it's a bunch of lies. We need to stand up and speak out about it and be loud for America.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
I saw in some of the litigation brought by the state, by the city of Chicago a stat that in like the 30, 40 past years, Chicago PD like never used these gaseous, noxious substances at all in anything. And Chicago's been through a lot, like any major metropolitan area. But that just really stood out to me because on a daily basis you'll see these scenes, peaceful protesters and they're loud, yes, sometimes they're cursing, but they're blowing their whistles and they're out there, but they're peaceful and they're on the side of the road. And the scene you see is these eyesore border patrol. And it's hard to tell who's who with the masks and they're wearing their military fatigues. They're marching with these weapons of war and then they take these gas canisters. In the case of Chicago and Illinois, we saw Bavino, literally the leader, take one and then they, they, they chuck them at the people and then the people start choking. And I see these scenes and I saw the stat that these are not law enforcement tactics of de escalation or anything. Like this is a whole new thing that is paramilitary and that what we're used to seeing surround authoritarians, frankly, like the Maduro's and like the Putins and these paramilitary groups that surround authoritarian leaders. Or now I guess Delci Rodriguez in Venezuela, who Trump's hoisted up with the Venezuelan colectivos that have people going around terrorizing the pro democracy, pro opposition forces there. What do you make of just those tactics?
Governor J.B. Pritzker
Well, does it surprise you? I mean, let me just, you know, let's step back and remember that Donald Trump starting back in 2020 was not only election denying, but really threatening to seize the ballot boxes, to bring in the National Guard, to try to keep himself in power. Now what he's doing is militarizing our cities. Also threatening not to have elections. Just this morning, he said that, you know, maybe we shouldn't have an election in the midterms because Republicans might lose, and that would be bad, and therefore we should take away people's right to vote. And this is a guy who over and over again has been all about protecting himself. Ice, cbp. Why are they building up this massive force? It's like a personal army for Donald Trump. They've got no training. They're hiring people that are MAGA enthusiasts. Indeed, we just saw that they were using AI and what do you know, they brought people in, no experience, no ability to. And fast tracking them and putting them on the streets because they want this kind of roughing up, they want this kind of terrorizing in the neighborhoods. And because it'll make. It'll make those who are undocumented, you know, fearful, but it'll also make US Citizens fearful to speak out. And ultimately it might make them fearful to vote in 2026. So I'm. I'm deeply concerned about the state of democracy right now. I know that this is not the issue on which, by the way, that elections get won, you know, talking about democracy, because what people really care about every day is can I pay my electric bill, you know, can I go to the grocery store and feed my family, and am I earning enough? Those are the things that we really ought to be talking about front and center. But you can't have any of that unless we preserve democracy. So it's not an either or. We gotta do both. But we've also got to win the elections in order to stop the madness that Donald Trump has inflicted upon the American people.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
I want to talk in a moment about the lessons that you've learned over this past year that you would recommend to other governors and people. But first, just on the issue of affordability, there was this event at Mar a Lago that's gone viral where there are these people wearing dog costumes and doggy heads and they're like, it's really creepy and eerie. And it's this let them eat cake moment while they're separating in their dog. I don't even know what the hell is even going on there at Mar a Lago with these people so disconnected from the struggles that people are currently facing. Electricity prices are going way up. People can't afford their health care. They're getting kicked off of their Obamacare plans now because of the subsidies not being extended. Groceries, the Highest over the past five or six years in December alone. And Trump's out there saying this is the golden age.
Governor J.B. Pritzker
I did it.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
Like we're, we're amazing. So what's your message regarding, regarding that?
Governor J.B. Pritzker
Well, I mean the, you know, what's, what's crazy is that I think there are a whole bunch of people who voted for Donald Trump. Good, well meaning people who voted for Donald Trump, not all of them, but many of them well meaning because they just wanted some help. They thought Donald Trump was going to be answer to the challenges that they're having because he promised that he was going to do that and then he's done none of it right. Prices. No, he didn't end inflation on day one. No, he has not brought electricity prices down. Indeed, his policies are raising prices for people because he's getting rid of renewables. And then what do we see in the midst of people suffering through his administration? He's tearing down the ballroom and building a new beautiful ballroom, gold laden at the White House with their money, by the way, because he says it's not with their money. But the reality is that everything around it is costing you money. The taxpayers, that is the architect, the things that are going into tearing it down. And then ultimately like what does that have to do with addressing the problems that you're facing? It's a distraction that it's all about him personally aggrandizing himself. So it's disturbing. And, and you're right, Mar A Lago, I mean, you know, I like to say, I guess I would like to respond to if Donald Trump is threatening to invade Greenland because he says it's in his strategic interest to control Greenland. I'd like to say that Illinois is going to go take over Mar A Lago because it's in our, you know, interests, it's in our strategic interests to control Mar? A Lago. I mean, who should stop us from doing that? And it just strikes me that he's run amok as president. He thinks he has. He's all powerful. The Supreme Court seems to agree with him on many fronts. And it's just, it's a danger to our future that we're allowing him to do that. And that's why people have to stand up and thank you for calling that out as well.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
Before we go, overall message to other governors, message to the American people. You've been at this now for what, seven years since the initial inauguration, but a year into this term. So what's your message to everybody about how do we go about this in 2026, where it seems that there's a clear escalation of the authoritarian tactics.
Governor J.B. Pritzker
Well, I guess one of the things that I would say to you is that, you know, we have shown in Illinois and I think in a few other places around the country, Portland and elsewhere, that you can fight them and we can win. There are members of the judiciary who will do the right thing. There are elected officials that will do the right thing. You're starting to see that some of the MAGA Republicans are stepping back and saying, wait a minute, this isn't what we wanted. This isn't what we voted for. And it's because people are speaking out. You know, I have a T shirt that says be loud for America because that is what it's going to take. And you're seeing it. I'm so happy and proud of the people of Illinois. People have, who never protested before, have never been out there doing anything. They came out of their suburban homes with whistles to blow the whistle on these ICE and CBP officers because they were violating people's civil rights. And I just, I guess my message to people is this is the moment. If you're ever going to stand up for America, if you believe in the concept and the Constitution and the concept of freedom, this is the moment for you to stand up and show your patriotism. And that's what I would ask people to do. And it's working. It's working. But we need more people to stand up and speak out. You saw it at the no Kings rallies. But now we're just talking about in everyday life. Look, look at Minnesota. But you're seeing, you know, people in New Orleans. You're seeing people in Memphis, places where you might not have expected it. People are upset about what's happening and more and more impetus, I think, for the American people to just take a little bit of time and effort and speak your mind about standing up for your civil rights and for the future of our country.
Ben (Interviewer/Host)
Illinois Governor J.B. pritzker. Thanks for fighting for democracy and we appreciate you joining us here at the Midas Touch Network.
Governor J.B. Pritzker
Thanks, Ben.
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Episode: Governor Pritzker Discusses Fighting Back Against Trump
Date: January 15, 2026
Host: Ben Meiselas (with Brett & Jordy Meiselas)
Guest: Governor J.B. Pritzker of Illinois
This episode centers on the growing political and civil unrest in America during Donald Trump’s second presidency. The Meiselas brothers, with guest Governor J.B. Pritzker, critique Trump’s escalating authoritarian tactics, discuss recent federal actions in US cities (particularly Chicago and Minneapolis), and highlight ways Americans and democratic leaders can effectively organize and push back to defend democracy. The episode is marked by urgent warnings, firsthand accounts of federal overreach, strong advocacy for civil rights, and practical advice for activists and officials.
Notable Quotes:
Notable Moments:
A. Federal Militarization & Civil Rights Threats
B. Legal Victories and Peaceful Protest
C. Paramilitary Tactics and Authoritarian Playbook
Ben and Pritzker compare federal presence to authoritarian regimes’ paramilitary groups (Maduro, Putin), describing new tactics that "are not law enforcement tactics of de-escalation…this is a whole new thing that is paramilitary." ([15:30])
Pritzker warns:
Memorable Quote:
A. Lessons for Other Governors
B. The Power of Public Protest
C. National Movement
Call to Action:
"They doubled down with ICE and CBP in uniforms, automatic weapons in the streets, marching through downtown Chicago..."
— Gov. J.B. Pritzker ([11:26])
"Pull out your phones…It’s allowing us to keep them accountable."
— Gov. J.B. Pritzker ([12:46])
"ICE, CBP…are being used as a personal army for Donald Trump."
— Gov. J.B. Pritzker ([16:25])
"He’s run amok as president…It’s a danger to our future that we’re allowing him to do that."
— Gov. J.B. Pritzker ([20:45])
"If you’re ever going to stand up for America…stand up and show your patriotism. And it’s working."
— Gov. J.B. Pritzker ([23:11])
In this compelling episode, The MeidasTouch Podcast and Governor J.B. Pritzker confront Trump’s increasingly authoritarian moves—federal crackdowns, threats to democracy, economic disinformation—and illustrate how ordinary citizens, activists, and leaders can, and must, push back. With first-hand insights, court victories, strategies for protest, and a national call for action, it’s a practical guide and a rousing rallying cry for American democracy in peril.