The MeidasTouch Podcast

Episode: “MAGA Podcasters Abandon Trump and Attack Each Other”

Date: January 6, 2026
Hosts: Ben, Brett & Jordy Meiselas

Episode Overview

In this electrifying episode, the Meiselas brothers dissect the escalating chaos within the MAGA (Make America Great Again) media ecosystem as prominent right-wing podcasters and influencers publicly turn against Donald Trump—and begin attacking one another. Through a series of jaw-dropping clips and incisive commentary, Ben, Brett, and Jordy expose the infighting, disillusionment, and sometimes bizarre rationales motivating former Trump-aligned voices. The brothers’ signature banter and pro-democracy stance provide a sharp, often humorous lens on the state of conservative media and the collapse of MAGA unity.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. MAGA Podcasters Turning on Trump

• Andy Frisella, prominent MAGA podcaster, calls out Trump’s detachment from his base
  Frisella accuses Trump of losing touch with his supporters and reality, suggesting either he's being misled or complicit in ignoring their concerns.
  Quote [01:10]:

  "Donald Trump, you’ve lost touch with your fucking base. You’ve lost touch with reality. …The people around you are either not telling you the truth or you’re fucking in on it."

• Frisella predicts damage to Trump’s legacy:
  He warns Trump that his children will be “blackballed” in America and that “the Trump name will be a fucking joke.”
  Quote [02:05]:

  "Your legacy is going to be ruined. The Trump name will be a fucking joke. …I know you care about those things."

2. Former MAGA Allies Express Regret

• Candace Owens on Piers Morgan: Expresses embarrassment and disappointment over previously supporting Trump.
  Quote [03:25]:

  "He’s been a chronic disappointment and I feel embarrassed that I told people to go vote for him. …This is not the candidate that I voted for."

• Tim Dillon declares Trump a 'lame duck':
  Dillon sees Trump’s era as over and notes that even Trump’s loyal backers see the writing on the wall.
  Quote [04:40]:

  "This is the beginning of the lame duck presidency. It’s obvious to everyone, even his most ardent supporters."
  His riff then goes off the rails into AI & conspiratorial humor—unique, stream-of-consciousness MAGA podcast territory.

3. MAGA Influencers Disillusioned & Unfollowing Each Other

• Christian Cooper on the ‘MAGA unfollow spree’:
  Cites broken promises (Epstein list, foreign wars, AI centralization, economic woes) as reasons for abandoning Trump and unfollowing other MAGA influencers.
  Quote [07:10]:

  "The mental gymnastics required to stand by your man under these conditions is truly, in my opinion, Olympic level."

  • Criticizes administration for:
    • Not releasing Epstein list (calling it a “hoax”)
    • Expanding surveillance (Palantir)
    • 50-year mortgages undermining home ownership
    • Foreign wars over domestic interests
    • Normalization of debt economy
  • Blasts infighting as “not serious” and refuses to be gaslit by shifting narratives.

4. Bizarre, Image-Obsessed Alpha MAGA Circles

• 'Clav' and the Alpha Bro MAGA Split:
  Some MAGA subgroups now reject traditional MAGA nominees for aesthetic and pseudo-scientific reasons, favoring Gavin Newsom over J.D. Vance on purely physical (and alarmingly classist) grounds.
  Quote [11:25]:

  "J.D. Vance is subhuman and Gavin Newsom mogs. …He’s got a very short total facial width to height ratio. He’s obese, very recessed side profile. Whereas Newsom is like 6'3 Chad."

• Highlights the absurd elevation of physical “Chad” traits over policy or party alignment.

5. Ben Shapiro at the Center of MAGA's Internal Warfare

• Attacks from right-wing rivals:
  Andrew Schultz questions Shapiro and Daily Wire’s allegiance (American or Israeli).
  Quote [13:15]:

  "Is the Daily Wire an American media platform or is it an Israeli media platform? …Are you manipulating the religious right in America?"
  Steve Bannon calls Shapiro a “cancer” who tries to take over conservative media organizations.
  Quote [15:20]:
  "Shapiro is like a cancer, and that cancer spreads. …He will make a move on Turning Point because he’s always been envious of Charlie Kirk."
  Alex Jones spins conspiracies about Shapiro being an actual Israeli intelligence operative.
  Quote [16:10]:
  "I believe from action and behavior that Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro are actual intelligence operatives, card carrying with Israeli intelligence agencies."

• Shapiro Strikes Back:
  Shapiro fights back, labeling rivals as “extremists” and their discourse as “morally imbecilic.”
  Quote [17:20]:

  "Emotive accusations, conspiracy theories and just asking questions—that’s lazy and stupid and misleading. None of them are a substitute for truth."
  He also uses a much-criticized pejorative ("retarded").

6. MAGA Media Icons at War with Each Other

• Megyn Kelly lashes out at former allies:
  After being attacked for “not taking sides” in influencer feuds, Kelly tells her critics off in very explicit terms.
  Quote [18:40]:

  "Go fuck yourselves. You have no fucking clue what’s going on. …You fail to understand there are real humans involved here."

7. Rogan & Others Mock Trump on Plaques, Epstein Files, and Conspiracies

• Joe Rogan on Trump’s self-promotion in the White House:
  Mocks Trump for putting his name on everything—suggests this should be in a museum as an example of bad leadership.
  Quote [21:10]:

  "There’s nothing nuttier than the plaques. …It should be widely considered the worst president of all."

• Rogan on Epstein Files:
  Ridicules Trump’s shifting stance, from denying files exist to vague promises to release them, and mocks congressional excuses for suppressing information.
  Quote [23:20]:

  "The Epstein files—I heard there’s no files. …He wants… now listen, like, what is going on?"

• Nick Fuentes and White Nationalist Rhetoric:
  Discusses Fuentes’ openly racist reasons for opposing J.D. Vance and supporting Gavin Newsom (based on family’s race).*
  Quote [25:50]:

  "His children, four of them, are beautiful and they're all white with blue eyes and blonde hair. …This beautiful virgin soil separated from the world by two oceans that we control and those beautiful genes that conquered and tamed it."

8. Rogan on “Stolen Election” Evidence

• Rogan admits Trump never provided evidence for 2020 election claims:
  Quote [29:15]:

  "I had him on the podcast…I’m like, ‘You think they stole the 2020 election? What’s the evidence?’ He didn’t…he didn’t have a satisfactory answer. No, he didn’t."

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Andy Frisella (on Trump):

  "You’re going to go down as the president who had the opportunity to fix this country and chose not to." [02:00]

• Candace Owens (on supporting Trump):

  "I feel embarrassed that I told people to go vote for him…" [03:45]

• Steve Bannon (on Ben Shapiro):

  "Shapiro is like a cancer, and that cancer spreads." [15:20]

• Megyn Kelly (to MAGA critics):

  "Go fuck yourselves. You have no fucking clue what’s going on." [18:40]

• Joe Rogan (on Trump’s White House plaques):

  "There’s nothing nuttier than the plaques underneath the president. That’s insane." [21:15]

• Christian Cooper (on MAGA infighting):

  "This is not countering the system, which is the reason why many of us voted for this administration in the first place." [08:10]

Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:10] – Andy Frisella denounces Trump
• [03:25] – Candace Owens regrets supporting Trump
• [04:40] – Tim Dillon declares the Trump era over
• [07:10] – Christian Cooper on leaving MAGA behind
• [11:25] – MAGA Alpha Bros embrace Newsom over Vance
• [13:15] – Andrew Schultz & Steve Bannon attack Ben Shapiro
• [17:20] – Ben Shapiro strikes back, calls his critics extremists
• [18:40] – Megyn Kelly lashes out at old friends
• [21:10] – Rogan on Trump White House plaques
• [23:20] – Rogan mocks Trump and Epstein file cover-up
• [25:50] – Nick Fuentes’ white nationalist “family values”
• [29:15] – Rogan admits Trump gave no evidence for 2020 fraud

Episode Tone & Takeaways

The MeidasTouch brothers maintain their familiar, unapologetically democratic and satirical tone throughout, using sharp wit and incredulity to underline the MAGA movement’s growing fractures. Their detailed play-by-play of conservative infighting reveals a landscape in disarray, where former Trump loyalists, right-wing influencers, and conspiratorial “alpha” cliques now attack each other with increasing intensity—leaving many listeners both amused and alarmed about the state of the American right.

If you want a visual and comedic breakdown of a political movement in crisis, this episode offers a front-row seat to MAGA’s spectacular implosion—set to the Meiselas brothers’ signature style.