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Brett (7:15)

We have a ongoing chat where all us and all of our researchers have been pouring through the Epstein files. And as you know, there were something like 3 million documents released. That's a lot of stuff. And there's a lot of stuff that you just continuously find, whether by putting in different search terms or clicking on random documents. A lot of people have made indexes of all the documents to make it easily searchable, to make the videos easy to find, to make the photos easy to find. And I gotta say, I've been deep in it. And it's, it's very, it's a very dark, very dark, very grim. And some of the stuff, quite frankly, like, you know, it's gonna be bad, but when you actually see it in writing. It's just jaw dropping. It's just disgusting. It's abhorrent. Abhorrent, it's sick, it's grotesque, it's vile, it's depraved, any word you want to use to describe it. It is just disgusting. It's so gross. But we've been uncovering it all. And you know, I think one of the most fascinating things about it is just to see all of these people, all of these Epstein associates lying about it in real time. Like at this point, we're able to see these communications, we're able to see people making plans with Epstein at various times, dinners with Epstein, going to the island with Epstein, or at least making plans to go to the island with Epstein, Epstein making plans to meet various places in New York, in Palm beach, you name it. And then many of these same people are going online and they're trying to downplay their relationship, which to me only sounds more alarms, it only raises more red flags because it's like, why are you lying about it? We could see exactly what happened in all of this. And we're going to give you our opinions on all of this based on the documentation that we see. We're going to be asking the questions based on the documents that you could see. Obviously we were unable to confirm 100% of everything and if things actually went, you know, made it to fruition and all of that. But the stuff that we are seeing in these documents is shocking and particularly, as Ben noted, a lot of the stuff about Donald Trump which shows that it appears that Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein were very close and had at least lines of communication potentially going up until as recently with folks like Don Jr. 2018, 2019, months before Jeffrey Epstein died. And there's a lot of interactions about Trump saying, talking about meetings with Trump, talking about being with Trump right before the 2016, right before the inauguration in 2017. I mean, this is truly, truly jaw dropping stuff. And I look at other countries like the UK and I'm looking at what's happening in Lithuania and Norway and they are actually taking action. This is a big deal to people because they actually care about this stuff. And here we have a Department of justice instead of actually trying to find justice, to seek justice justice, what they are doing is they are acting as Donald Trump's personal criminal defense firm. And it is absolutely disgusting. We're going to speak about that and more. First, I'm going to toss the Jordan Jordi. I gotta say though, lighten the mood a little bit. It's a nice jacket you got on.

Jordy (10:14)

I knew you were gonna say, you always bully me when I wear this jacket.

Brett (10:17)

But excuse me, Everybody might just mind you. How's that a bully? Before we compliment the outfit, I'm not.

Jordy (10:23)

Even gonna do the joke because it's mean. I told Brett to comment on my jacket, and he didn't know I was gonna do that part of it. I was gonna make it seem like he bullied me, but I fe. Hi, everybody.

Brett (10:33)

Have you set me up?

Jordy (10:35)

Yeah, I did. I totally set you up, but I caved immediately, so it wasn't that great.

Brett (10:40)

Who sets up your big bro?

Jordy (10:41)

I set you up for, like, an audience of one because that's how quickly I came around on the joke. Anyway, I'm excited to get into today's show. Big show tonight. We are less than 80,000 subscribers from hitting 6 million subscribers on the Midas Touch YouTube channel. You guys are doing it. The Midas mighty, this community. Thank you guys so much. Please check right now to see if you're subscribed. We have about 25 more days to hit that 6 million subscriber mark. I think that was my prediction. And we're getting so close. So please hit subscribe. Check if you're subscribed. You may think you're subscribed. We might actually not be. So just double check. And if you're not, please hit subscribe. It's totally 100% free and super easy to do and will save me from having to shave my head if we don't hit that 6 million mark. Benji, where we start off today at big bro.

Ben (11:22)

I'll show you this document, though, right here. Jeffrey Epstein writing. Can we do coffee with Don Jr. Thursday or Friday? This is January 27th of 2019. Only if easy. As you know, I like people that are funny, and so they're scheduling time to meet with Don Jr. Whether that meeting actually occurred or not, I think that's an important one. You have him talking about Epstein talking about meeting with the Trump boys. We're going to meet with the Trump boys. This is Boris Nikolak. When are you back in New York City?

Brett (11:53)

Epstein was one of the executors of Epstein's estate, by the way.

Ben (11:56)

Yeah, he was the. Exactly. He was the executive.

Brett (11:59)

He didn't.

Ben (11:59)

And he was put there two days before Epstein ultimately died. And this is an email from December 25, 2016. Epstein says, Fourth in palm with all the Trump boys. Fun and Donald Trump and the Trump boys were indeed there during that time period. When you go back and you look at. It should also be noted that there's this message. January 8, 2017, Epstein to a guy named Richard Merkin, who's an executive. Epstein says, you. Well, Merkin says, fair. And you, Epstein, all good with Trump, lots of opportunity. All good with Trump, lots of opportunity.

Brett (12:33)

And like we said, I, we track this. We looked at the news articles, we looked at the footage, we looked at the Getty photos, the historical record in newspapers, various publications. And when Epstein said, with the Trump boys in Palm on that date, Donald Trump and them, they were in Palm beach that Christmas, Donald Trump is at Mar A Lago. There are articles about him going to, doing a Christmas mass that year. It was right before, you know, he took office for his first term. And that second part where he said, with Trump, lots of opportunity. Again, Donald Trump was in New York when Epstein was saying he was in New York, potentially with Trump. And so, like we said, we have no way of confirming if those meetings actually took place. But these are what the emails state. And I think it's even more, you know, important to note that this clearly shows, despite anything that may have actually occurred at the time, that Epstein viewed himself as having an in line, a direct line to people like Don Jr. To people like Donald Trump. The fact that he's trying to make these plans with Don Jr. The fact that he's trying to set all these things up, the stuff that he's speaking to Steve Bannon about, who obviously was, especially back then, but still today, very close with Donald Trump and was an advisor and an aide to Donald Trump. So it's very clear that there were lines of communication. We could surmise by just looking at the documents, looking at what's in black.

Jordy (13:54)

And white, and by the way, also 100% debunks Trump's lie that he had ended his relationship with Jeffrey Epstein decades before they kicked him out of Mar A Lago, that he's a sleazebag, that he stopped his communication. I mean, it just blows that all up.

Ben (14:06)

Well, yeah, I mean, there was a majority to that point. There was a New York Post article right around the time that Epstein made that sweetheart deal. And Epstein is quoted in the New York Post as saying, I'm not banned from Mar A Lago. I was just invited to show up recently in Page Six of the New York Post back then. Okay, so you had, you know, you had messages like that. You know, you had Ghislaine Maxwell was referred to as G by Melania, and Melania referred to Jeffrey Epstein as JE she goes JE really good in the New York New York magazine article. Nice story about JE Nice story about.

Brett (14:53)

JE And NY Mag. You look great on the picture. He's saying to Dear G. To Ghislaine, I know you're very busy flying all over the world. How was Palm Beach? I cannot wait to go down. Give me a call when you are back in New York. Have a great time. Love, Melania. And then Melania. Then Ghislaine responds to Melania by calling Melania Trump. Sweet pea. She says, sweet pea. Thanks for your message. Actually, plans changed again and I'm now on my way back to New York. I leave again on Friday, so I still do not think I have time to see you, sadly. I will try and call, though. Keep.

Ben (15:23)

Well, gee, by the way, that's the New York magazine article that Donald Trump said that Epstein is a good guy who likes women on the younger side. Right? Like, that was the article that didn't, like, go fully out there and say these things about Epstein. Because, remember, a lot of the reporting was pulled back and we know what was happening. And the writer wanted to write more, and the editors were kind of preventing it. But there were all the hints in that article as written about what was taking place. And Melania said, je look great. You look great in this. So it's just so fascinating. Like, you know, like, Melania wanted to further promote her failed movie yesterday. So she was holding these press conferences and she used these Israeli American people who were held hostage by Hamas, and she used them as like, props in order to promote her movie and cause she was like, you know, in the Melania movie, I reached out to their family members. So if you want to see Melania in theaters now, and I'll show you that in a moment. But Melania was asked by reporters, what do you make of Ghislaine Maxwell being in the minimum security facility? What do you think about that, Melania? Watch Melania's response. Let's play it. We are here celebrating Durley and the life of those two incredible people. So let's honor that. No, you don't get to enter into polite society. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Like, you, you have to answer. You have to answer these questions or don't show up. Right? You think, oh, and did you see immediately her handlers when that question was asked? All right, everybody leave. Time to go out. Everybody leave.

Brett (17:14)

Press conference is over.

Ben (17:15)

Press conference over. Let me show you what was just going down in that press conference. Here's how she promotes the movie Melania while She's with the freed hostages. Just watch this. 7, 2023. And Keith was captured for 484 days.

Host (17:34)

After Aviva was freed.

Ben (17:38)

She called me, wanted to see me, and we set up a meeting in New York in January 2025. It was emotional meeting, and it is captured on camera and available to see in my new film, Melania. That's almost right out of.

Jordy (17:59)

Oh, my God.

Brett (18:00)

And you could see it in theaters everywhere.

Ben (18:03)

This is the craziest, craziest thing. And then a reporter asks her, and I like that. Reporters are finally asking questions that are more aggressive. Like they're. It's progressively getting better, these questions. And reporters are starting to feel more comfortable to ask these questions. So Jenna gets asked, why do you feel it's appropriate to use a White House event to promote your movie? Like, that's clearly what you just did. Like, why do you think that's appropriate? Here, watch this. Why do you feel it's appropriate to.

Brett (18:31)

Use an official White House event to promote your documentary?

Ben (18:35)

This is not promotion. We are here celebrating the release of the hostages of Aviva and Keith. They were in Washington, D.C. they called me. They said they would like to come over to thank me and to. To give hugs, and that's why we are here. Has nothing to do with promotion. It has nothing to do with a promotion, guys. It has nothing to do with, like, do you think we're stupid? So much of this is that question. Do you think we're that stupid?

Brett (19:11)

Right.

Ben (19:12)

At a time where Americans are psychologically tortured, living paycheck to paycheck, at a time where you have January layoff surging to 17 year high as US employers announced 108,435 layoffs in January, up 205% from December, the highest amount of layoffs since January 2009. Or how about job openings falling to 6.5 million in December, the lowest level since September 2020, while Donald Trump's out there suing his own government, settling with himself for $10 billion. And they treat us all like we're so stupid. Like we don't know that what they're doing is what they're doing. Oh, oh, Donald's gonna give it a charity. He said he's gonna give it a chair. Oh, God. I got it. This was in promotion when you just promoted the film, Melania. Oh, they just called you up to say thank you while you were out promoting your move. Oh, and that ties into the release of these Epstein files, though, as well, because what was taking place was a cabal of Rich men using sex trafficking as their currency, abusing little girls and destroying the world, destroying the lives and destroying the world while they were attitude with everybody else. And it's like, and we see, you know, I mean, look, you know, you had, you had Epstein talking about shorting the Russian ruble three days before or five days before the annexation of Crimea. He knew when Crimea was going to be attacked by Russia. And so much of this was. They were. And you know, it's notable too that they were talking about bitcoin and Putin getting involved in bitcoin. And Epstein speaking with, you know, the royal family of UAE about Bitcoin back in like 2013, 2014. And just think about how these individuals got so much richer propping up bitcoin. And then you see today, bitcoin crashing. Bitcoin has lost like 50% of its value in the past, like week, week and a half, I mean, or the past few months. Right. Go back to that last one right there before this. The crypto market lost $2 trillion in value since October of 2025. As the Kobayasi letter explains, on October 6, crypto markets hit a record high market cap of 4.3 trillion. Today, the crypto market is worth just 2.3 trillion, losing $2 trillion worth of market cap in four months. 46. I said 50. I'll be precise. 46% of crypto's entire value has been wiped out right now. And these are a lot of people who put money into this thinking, oh, I'm going to be rich.

Brett (22:20)

There was especially at the beginning of Trump's campaign because Trump made such a big deal, like, I'm against crypto regulation. I'm the crypto president. If you like crypto, I'm your guy. Now all of these people who bought crypto at that time are left holding the bag. A lot of them are just completely wiped out, completely liquidated. Because crypto now is below where it was after Donald Trump was elected. I mean, and it had spiked quite a bit, right? It had its big sugar high, you know, and peaked about four months ago before, boom, just the bottom dropped out. And it is ugly right now. And I see these crypto people, they are scared, they are not happy. A lot of some of them have lost their life savings. It's disturbing. And when you actually look at the files also, as Ben said, all of this is connected to all of kind of global affairs and the way the world works. These are a lot of the people, and I know it sounds conspiratorial and I think A lot of things that sound conspiratorial, we're learning, are like very much real things. But there are people who are kind of pulling the strings in world affairs. And I think Epstein was very central to all of that. And so there was an email with Jeffrey Epstein and Peter Thiel, which I think speaks to, you know, this issue that we're talking about right now. And in general, you know, a lot of the things that we're going to be speaking about. Peter Thiel, obviously the Silicon Valley guy, helped found PayPal with Elon Musk, very tied into that whole kind of tech cabal of Elon Musk and David Sachs. And he's the reason why J.D. vance is where he is. He's, he funded J.D. vance, he palantir all that stuff. Peter Thiel and so here is a message that Jeffrey Epstein sent to Peter Thiel in 2016. And I think this is very revealing. Jeffrey Epstein said to Peter Thiel that Jeff first he said Brexit just the beginning. So they're talking about Brexit back then. Peter Thiel says of what. And Jeffrey Epstein says, and I want you to think right now, if this sounds familiar to the policies of the Trump regime and to exactly what Trump is trying to do and what all of these people who are involved in this are trying to do right now and how it fits in with current society and economics and geopolitics. So Jeffrey Epstein says return to tribalism, counter to globalization, amazing new alliances. You and I both agree, zero interest rates were too high. I mean, how often have we were. Trump said that. And as I said in your office, finding things on their way to collapse was much easier than finding the next bargain. So he's saying out loud that they will have an easier time making money if things collapse if they're able to return to tribalism. I mean, does this not define the last few years of the United States and the world of these right wing oligarchs who have been pushing all of this stuff. You're seeing it right there in black and white. And as we see the communications as well, between, you know, as we showed you how he was trying to set up a meeting with Don Jr in was it 2018, 2019, as we saw him say that, you know, saying that he was with the Trump boys, that in Palm beach, It appears in 2016, I thought about this article that was written, I think it was sometime last year in the Daily Beast where they alleged that Epstein's butler or they say that Epstein's butler alleged that Jeffrey Epstein boasted about getting a job offer from Donald Trump to work in the first Trump administration. If you remember, listeners of the show know I made a joke about this a few weeks ago that if Epstein wasn't arrested that he'd probably be like in Trump's cabinet. He'd probably be like Treasury Secretary. I forgot about this article right here. Epstein Butler claims boss boasted about Trump job offer. And this isn't some like guy who was just in and out of Epstein's orbit. This was a guy who was with Epstein for more than a decade. I could get the exact. I think he was with Epstein for like 15 years or something at his Paris 18 years. So he ran Epstein's Paris home and worked for the disgrace financier for 18 years. And he gave a wide ranging on the record interview with the Telegraph where he said the following. Trump asked me to work for him in the new government. The Butler claimed Epstein. Epstein said, I said, congratulations, I'm happy for you and my bad English. And Epstein said, no, I didn't accept. Now, that on its own is just one data point. When you put that with all these other data points of showing in the emails that Epstein is saying essentially that he's very close with Trump, that he's with Trump, send this message to Trump, try to get set up with Don Jr. Whatever it is. I personally believe, in my opinion, my First Amendment protected free speech opinion, I completely believe that that is the case.

Jordy (26:47)

Absolutely. I mean, look, when you look behind the curtain at all of this, I feel like it's just so much even more evil and coordinated than anyone I maybe even could have thought like pulling these pieces together. It is wild. It is wild. And I just want to comment on a few things here. On Inauguration Day, January 20, 2025, Bitcoin was over $109,000. As of right now, it is $64,000. So just absolutely bonkers for someone, Donald Trump, who campaigned as the pro crypto guy. I also don't want to lose this site. Ben. When Ghislaine called Melania sweet pea, I don't know if that's like a regional term or whatever, but like, the only times I've heard sweet pea is like the ultimate term of endearment. So I just want, like, I just want to put that into the world. Like, my wife's grandmother refers to her as sweet pea. Like, it is someone that, you know, you're not just calling any Joe Schmo off the street sweet pea. Just to show you just another data point for how, how close these Two likely were. And I know you're giving it up, Ben, for the press, you know, finally pushing, finally pushing Melania a bit more. And I agree with you, I think the questioning was better. But I just can't happen, you know, to think to myself, sitting here right now watching those clips, if that was, if that was Dr. Jill Biden being asked those questions by those same reporting class, how much more sort of with vigor would those reporters be coming with? And there wouldn't just be one question sort of, you know, just peppered in here and there. It would be every single question. And by the way, they would have every legitimate right to do it if President Biden was in the Epstein files at all. And so when you see these reporters, I think to your point, Ben, there are some asking good questions, but I just have to be like to myself, I wish they were asking her more. I wish they were being stronger and more forceful about it because there is clearly a much more deeper relationship here between Ghislaine and Melania than we all know. And we should, we, the collective, we should all know what that relationship entails.

Ben (28:55)

If Dr. Jill Biden was friends with a child sex trafficker and in the files and was promoting her own movie, a right wing oligarch paid her $75 million for and then had a state regime media promoted, I agree, Jordy, Dr. Joe Biden would be asked a lot more difficult questions than. But that's where I want to pull back and just say, like we are in these unprecedented times where Donald Trump is having his irs, where the acting director is Besant, who runs the Treasury Department, give Donald Trump from the general fund of treasury paid into by taxpayers $10 billion because Donald Trump said that he was the victim of a Data breach that 404,000 other Americans also were back in 2021. So now Trump wants $10 billion for himself, which he claims he's going to give to charity. I'll address that. He's not.

Host (29:58)

Not.

Ben (29:58)

I'll explain though, what I think the scheme is there as well, which seems pretty obvious to me. But then you have Donald Trump posting things like this. This is the White House post this. Then even they had to delete it. For the first time in five years, a majority of Americans say their personal finances are improving. This is just the beginning of the Trump economic boom. 62% say their personal finances are getting better. I mean, quite literally, the poll is the opposite. Like 72 or 75% of Americans say that they are, that the economy is poor or just fair. But like no one's saying it's doing good or better right now.

Brett (30:34)

It's the, by the way, I think that's so indicative of where we are right now. Right. Because even on a right wing friendly platform like X, formerly Twitter, the White House posts that propaganda image. And they were so ruthlessly mocked and derided by people of all sides that they actually deleted it. I mean, that's to me alone.

Ben (30:54)

Speaks volume or Trump during an interview yesterday with NBC. And we'll show you more of the cognitive stuff that he was saying. But he says that he really likes Bill Clinton. He's upset that Bill Clinton has been subpoenaed to testify along with Hillary Clinton regarding the Epstein files and that Bill Clinton is being treated unfairly. Watch this and then we'll talk to you about what's really going on. On let's play it steam.

Brett (31:22)

NBC News broke the story today, I.

Ben (31:24)

Don'T know if you saw it, that.

Brett (31:24)

The Democrats are already saying, if you bring President Bill Clinton and he has to testify, we're bringing President Trump.

Ben (31:30)

What do you say?

Donald Trump (31:31)

I think they might say that, you know, but they've already brought me. See, I've been brought. They had me indicted many, many times, Many, many times.

Ben (31:41)

And the president had some surprising thoughts.

Brett (31:44)

About former President Bill Clinton.

Donald Trump (31:46)

It bothers me that somebody's going after Bill Clinton. See, I like Bill Clinton. I still like Bill Clinton.

Ben (31:52)

What do you like about him?

Donald Trump (31:53)

I liked, well, I liked his behavior toward me. I thought he got me. He understood me. You know, he was the one that said very famously that you don't want to run against Trump. When there were 18 people, there was 18 people, including me, total. And he kept telling them, you don't want to run against Trump, run against anyone, don't run against Trump. And Hillary sort of laughed at him.

Ben (32:17)

He goes there. I mean, he's a deranged, demented human being. I don't even have to show you the other clips, but we know Donald Trump's been the one saying, go after Bill Clinton, go after Hillary Clinton. Focus on them with the Epstein files, not me. So what changed? Oh, I know what changed. Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton posted that she and former President Bill Clinton are, have agreed that not only do they want to testify before the House Oversight Committee, they want to do it in public. And here's what former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton writes. For six months, we engaged Republicans on the Oversight Committee in good faith. We told them what we know under oath. They ignored all of it. They moved the goalposts and Turned accountability into an exercise in distraction. So let's stop the games if you want this fight. James Comer, the MAGA Republican who leads the House Oversight Committee, let's have it in public. You love to talk about transparency. There's nothing more transparent than a public hearing. Cameras on. We will be there. So in response to that, that's why Donald Trump has changed his tune on Clinton. And the Clintons called Trump's bluff. You want to do a whole hearing in Congress on Epstein.

Jordy (33:37)

Let's do it.

Ben (33:38)

Hillary Clinton says, I'll go first. Let's do it in public. Let's go. We'll talk about everybody's connections with Epstein. And that's Donald Trump.

Jordy (33:48)

That's the Jabala post by her. Like that is really like.

Ben (33:51)

No, it is.

Jordy (33:52)

Let's do it.

Ben (33:53)

Yeah, let's do it. And it needs to get more. By the way, what she's doing there needs to get more attention. And like, it's weird though, to your point, Jordi, about corporate media, like no one's connecting the dots. That obviously that's why Donald Trump is now saying that. And you know, the MAGA Republicans are going to say, oh, actually we want to do a deposition in private first. And they're not going to want to do it in public. And then they're going to try to hold them in contempt when they don't want to do it in private.

Jordy (34:19)

Exactly.

Ben (34:19)

And then they're going to try to take little snippets of it and say, oh, look what we got of Bill Clinton. Because they're clowns. They're fascist clowns, all of them. Not political Republican. They're just bad humans, these magas who engage in this types of behavior.

Jordy (34:36)

So, Ben, it's what I said last episode. They don't have an honest bone in their body. They don't care. These Republicans do not care to get to the truth at all. That's the last thing they want. That's actually the last thing they want. They wanna use their positions of power to enrich themselves.

Ben (34:51)

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Jordy (35:22)

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Ben (38:50)

Welcome back. Thank you to our sponsors discount codes in the description below. Jordy had to go on papa papa job being a parent. And so he's dealing with that. Let's, let's get into some of the other news right now, know. So during that bizarre interview that Donald Trump had with NBC, Donald Trump was asked about settling with his own government. Settling with the, it should be our government. But he's basically, you know, his regime has taken over all layers, remember? So he just sued the irs, the Treasury Department. So his own United States, he sued for $10 billion, saying that he was part of a data breach on tax returns back in 2021. And there was that guy, Little John there, that was the guy's name, not the rapper who, who took, who kind of, you know, had access to all of these things. I think it impacted, I think it impacted over 400,000Americans who were subject to that data breach. During the Senate hearing with Besant, it sounded like they were saying 44,000, but I think maybe they were saying 404,000. I'll show you that in a moment, but I'll make the point I want to make then. But anyway, on that basis, Donald Trump has sued basically himself, with Besant as the defendant, $10 billion. And Trump says he's already won the lawsuit against the United States government. He just sued as the president. He goes, but I did it in my private capacity. So now he's going to pay himself $10 billion of our taxpayer dollars. And he's asked about it with a straight face. He's like, yeah, that's what I'm going to do. Absolutely.

Donald Trump (40:38)

Here, play this clip Essentially, the lawsuit's been won. I guess I want a lot of money.

Brett (40:45)

Scott Besant's the head of the irs, the head of the Justice Department. They're going to defend the IRS against you.

Ben (40:50)

You're their boss.

Donald Trump (40:51)

Well, there's never been anything like it, in all fairness.

Brett (40:53)

So are you going to.

Donald Trump (40:54)

Are you going to tell them, don't forget I sued as a private citizen because I sued between terms. I won three times. But are you going to tell them to pay you? I won three times, but I didn't assume. Unfortunately for this country, I didn't assume office the second time. But here's the story. I sued because they broke into Mar? A Lago. That was before I became president. Now it goes along and it turned out that the suit is a very strong suit.

Jordy (41:16)

You're gonna tell them to pay you, though.

Brett (41:18)

You're the boss.

Donald Trump (41:18)

Well, what I would do, tell them to pay me. But I'll give 100% of the money to charity. I don't want any of that money.

Ben (41:24)

You take it out of the system.

Brett (41:25)

A couple more questions here.

Donald Trump (41:26)

No, no, I'm putting it back into the system.

Brett (41:28)

Yeah.

Donald Trump (41:28)

If I give money to American Cancer Society, I will give 100% of the money away to check. I don't want any $30 trillion debt.

Brett (41:37)

And we're going to take 10 billion.

Ben (41:39)

Out of the system.

Donald Trump (41:40)

Well, I mean, you give it away anyway. They give away a lot of money.

Ben (41:43)

Okay, first off, I think we all agree that's crazy. Like, that's criminal, in my opinion. First Amendment right. I'm giving you my opinion. You're going to. You're going to steal our taxpayer money and force the government to settle with yourself. Like, this stuff is unfathomable. Like it's unfathomable, criminal and crazy. In my opinion, that this is a serious thing that they're actually doing right now. I also think we all agree that he's probably not gonna give this money to charity.

Brett (42:11)

Oh, sure he is. The Donald J. Trump Foundation.

Ben (42:15)

Just assume he gives it to charity, though. You know what the plan would be. Right. Everybody gets what he's gonna try to do. Then he's gonna. Then here's what I think he's going to do. I'll give you my opinion. First, he's gonna claim that he suffered physical emotional distress, such that he's gonna claim that the $10 billion is tax free and not income when he settles with himself. Is the IRS gonna enforce that?

Brett (42:44)

Yeah.

Ben (42:44)

Besant is gonna make an opinion that Trump is in a personal physical Injury. You think they're gonna audit Donald Trump and say that that's how he's taking it? So he's going to take it as a personal physical injury. Under the IRS code that I used to advise clients in personal injury cases that you should see a tax advisor who will give you the real. But you can get it tax free if it's a personal physical injury. Obviously this isn't a personal physical injury, but I bet you Trump thinks Trump will claim it that way. So he won't even pay taxes on the amount. Then if he gives 10 billion to charity, what he'll do is he'll use it as a, he'll use it as a complete offset on his income or he'll use it as a deduction and then what he'll also do because who's going to audit him? Then he'll carry the extra money. Let's just say he donates 10 billion that he paid himself from the government to them. Then in his own mind he'll never pay taxes for the rest of his life because he will carry, he'll get a tax person tell him that he can then carry the deduction over to every tax year for the remainder of his life and then he'll never pay taxes again. So then when he does the shady deals with United Arab Emirates or whoever and makes the billions of dollars, he'll pay zero income tax because he entered into a tax free settlement and he then donates the money and it's a complete offset on all of his taxes. I just want to let you know what that assume he gave it to charity. That's what his plan, you know, know it's not, you're not tricking people like, who are in the, who are professionals. You're like, I know what he's trying to do there as well. Assuming he does that, if he doesn't just take it for himself, then we never hear from it again and we never see the donation. Oh, I'm thinking about it. I'm thinking about what I'm going to, I'm thinking about what I'm going to do.

Brett (44:29)

And think about how much money Trump has already made from the presidency. He's profited from the presidency like nobody ever in history. The New York Times did that report recently where they estimated that he has already made at least 1.4 or $1.5 billion on at the floor at the absolute lowest. Obviously, you know, wealth and, and stakes and things are not necessarily liquid cash and income net capacity. But you could see if that's where we're starting at, at the lowest end right now. And I think it's personally significantly higher than that if that's where we're starting. Think about the buffer he just gave himself, to Ben's point, with the taxes to continue to earn billions and billions and billions of dollars completely tax free by scamming the United States taxpayer. I mean, it is a devious plot to enrich himself and not have to pay a penny.

Ben (45:20)

And what do you think he's setting up the offshore Qatari bank accounts for? You know, he's diverting government money for unlawful invasions of countries and other activity like that to then keep the money not within the treasury, but then to segregate money in a Qatari account that he has access to that there's no oversight over at all. And again, this shouldn't be a Democrat, Republican, independent thing anyway. This should just be, we should all be infuriated by this behavior, especially as Americans are psychologically tortured, living paycheck to paycheck right now, if they're lucky enough to have a paycheck. Americans can't afford rent, they can't afford homes. Highest student loan delinquency since, you know, Great Recession, that, you know, type of highest car loan deficiency, all of these things. I'll just show you this other clip when Donald Trump. I want to show you what happened at the, at the, at the Senate hearing where Senator Gallegos was cross examining Bessant. But first let me just show you Donald Trump talking about cognitive stuff and that he takes cognitive exams just so you can see like the level of insanity we're dealing with. Hear, hear. Play this clip.

Donald Trump (46:27)

I feel great. I mean, physically and mentally, I feel like I did 50 years ago. It's crazy. Now there'll be a time when I won't be able to give you that answer, but that time has income, you know, I do. I think it's very important. I've done more physicals. I take physicals just to give the report out. Yeah, I take cognitive physicals. So I do a cognitive mind test. Okay. And a lot of people wouldn't be able to do very well. Not easy. You know, you get to those last questions I've aced, I've done three of them. No other president has agreed to do them. I do them because I have no problem with it because I'm 100% okay.

Ben (47:04)

And again, as we watch him there and our audio listeners, you can't see him. I mean, you hear how crazy he sounds, but he looks like a mad person. And then you have the interviewer looking at him like he's watching somebody who is deeply unwell and that shouldn't be acceptable for our country.

Brett (47:23)

There was that one moment that was particularly bizarre. Speaking of cognitive issues, we don't have to play the clip, but there was the moment where he was asked about people getting killed by ice. And Donald Trump said, I hate even talking about ice. Two people this. He like downplayed people's deaths and, and said fewer deaths than there's actually been from ice. But he says two people out of tens of thousands and you get bad publicity. And Yamis was like, there were two Americans who died. And then Trump just his brain. Who the hell knows what the hell was happening here? But he's talking about the dude deaths at the hands of ice, the murderers by the ICE people. And Donald Trump says, responds, we have the smallest trucks. We have been very tough on the waters. And Tom Yamas, the NBC host, was like, what? The waters? The water? Did you say the waters? And then he started is talking about, oh yeah, we knocked out a lot of boats on the waters. Just completely veering off topic into something that was so utterly nonsensical. Talking about bombing drug boats when he's in the middle of a completely other. Other thought. It was, it was bizarre. And I think you saw, you know, more evidence of that cognitive decline in this interview that was on msnbc. I mean, that was just like a. One of many very strange moments.

Ben (48:33)

That brings us to the Senate hearing from earlier in the day. Treasury Secretary Scott Besant is the witness. And let me show you part of the cross examination that transpired. Democratic Senator Gallegos of Arizona starts cross examining him. Let's just play the first clip of Gallegos.

Senator Gallego (48:51)

But if the President prevails in this lawsuit, he's going to be able to pocket that money. My question is, is the president, has anyone in the President's office talk to you about this lawsuit in any regard?

Ben (49:04)

They have not. And the President said he will donate the proceeds to charity. You may have missed that.

Senator Gallego (49:09)

So no one at all has discussed this to you whatsoever?

Ben (49:12)

And the President said he.

Senator Gallego (49:13)

Have you received. I didn't ask any more questions. Have you received any advice, Treasury's legal division about how to handle this potential conflict?

Ben (49:21)

This is a Justice Department matter. They represent treasury in it.

Senator Gallego (49:25)

Have someone from the Department of Justice actually come and talk to you saying that this is their purview and you need to stay out of it or what? What have, who, who has discussed to you what is your role in this.

Ben (49:34)

Our general counsel, who's sitting behind me, has told me that it is a Justice Department matter. The Justice Department defends treasuries and treasury.

Senator Gallego (49:42)

In matters like this. Okay, so you have. Has been discussed with you. Do you have any final say at all in the process of this? Or is the DOJ just going to instruct you to cut a check and or settle, and you have no independence to actually make a decision whether or not the president deserves $10 billion.

Ben (49:57)

Again, that is a DOJ matter.

Senator Gallego (50:00)

And so the DOJ will entirely make that decision. If whether or not the president should receive $10 billion, you have no say at all.

Ben (50:08)

Correct.

Senator Gallego (50:08)

So you will just have to write the check. If you were told to write the check. Correct, you would write the check willingly. If you're told by a DOJ to the President, I will follow the law, Senator.

Ben (50:18)

Okay.

Senator Gallego (50:19)

I mean, I think for many of us, this is very simple. And I think if this had been happening in any other countries, it would look an absolute like a total shakedown of the American taxpayer.

Brett (50:29)

Yeah.

Ben (50:29)

Because you watch that, you're like, how is this even real? How is this even a thing? And I think when I show you in the next segment what was happening in the UK Parliament and how they're addressing it versus how things are being addressed here in the United. Or not addressed, based on the Trump regime and Donald Trump saying, I'm not in the files. I'm vindicated. There's no issue, nothing. I'm. I'm perfect. You know? And then our corporate news is like, on the one hand, it's denied. On the other, it's just like we have. We are living in this really warped and demented timeline here in the United States that is lacking normalcy, setting aside politics like basic morality. But I want to show this.

Brett (51:12)

Let's just sum up the Trump administration's philosophy here. They don't have money to help you, the average American, but they will happily give $10 billion of your money to Donald Trump while telling you that you should enjoy your one pencil, your one doll, your one piece of broccoli, your one tortilla, and your one piece of chicken, and you will be happy about it. I mean, it's such a slap in the face to people. It is so offensive. It is so grotesque. It is just the height of kleptocracy and oligarchy. It is just detestable.

Ben (51:46)

I want to talk more about that hearing. Producers are saying we got to take our last break of the show, so let's go to our last quick break. A reminder, we're close to 6 million subscribers. So if you want to to have me stop saying let's get to 6 million and have me start saying get to 7 million. Make sure you're subscribed.

Brett (52:05)

Pretty good offer right there, Ben. You really know how to incentivize people.

Ben (52:09)

I've got a great offer for everybody when we come back. How about I give you a plan each to make $10 billion? And how about this? All of our audience can make somewhere in the range of 10 to 20 quadrillion dollars more than trillion. We're in the quadrillion.

Brett (52:33)

It's getting real folks.

Ben (52:34)

I've got a plan. I'm going to lay it out there and actually, Treasury Secretary Scott Besant gave me the idea and I'll show you why after this last quick break.

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Ben (55:53)

Welcome back. Thank you everybody for watching the Midas Touch Network watching this podcast. It's great to be here with you all as always and just keep on growing this network together one day at a time. All right, going back to Senator Gallego, his cross exam of Treasury Secretary Besant, I loved how Gallego here makes it clear that this money leaves no doubt that this money is being stolen from the taxpayers. Like that this is coming from the IRS general fund, which is where, where when you pay your taxes, it goes into a general fund account at the irs. And that's what Trump is raiding in his lawsuit. He's taking $10 billion out for himself at a time where, as you heard in the other interview, our national debt is heading to $39 trillion and Trump is increasing our debt dramatically and federal spending is up. And all this stuff that Doge promised it was going to do was a complete and utter failure. It actually added to our national debt. Let's play the second clip.

Senator Gallego (57:00)

You know, we kind of touched on this earlier. In addition to being Treasury Secretary, you are serving as Acting Director of the irs. So following up on Senator Kim's questioning. So you are fully aware that the President is suing your agency for $10 billion. We would agree. Would you agree that $10 billion is a good sum of money?

Ben (57:20)

Yes, sir.

Senator Gallego (57:20)

Where would that be cut from? Let's say for some reason he actually wins that lawsuit. Where would that $10 billion come from?

Jordy (57:27)

Again, it would come from.

Senator Gallego (57:33)

Process wise. Am I asking, like, your opinion whether it's right or wrong? It would come from Treasury. It comes from treasury, which comes from the general fund, the treasury general account. So taxpayers.

Ben (57:43)

Yes, thank you. Part of the 440,000 taxpayers whose returns were leaked.

Senator Gallego (57:48)

If the. Now, if the president. They're not suing, but.

Ben (57:50)

They're not suing, but. But this is where I told you I'd give you advice. I just want you to think about why Donald Trump has bankrupted so many things. He doesn't think ahead, and he's a criminal, and he's also a sexual abuser, and he's also an utter fraud. But let's use that example right there. I originally thought I heard Bess and say 44,000, but listening to it again, he said 404,000. I believe hundreds of thousands of people were impacted by the same data breach that Trump is claiming injured him personally. He says, to the tune of $10 billion. And mind you, Trump sued the Wall street journal for $20 billion and the Nobel Peace, the Pulitzer Prize committee, rather, for billions of dollars. And this one for billions of dollars, that one for billion. You add up all of Trump's lawsuits, it's like $100 billion. 200. He's. He's got $200 billion in claims out there, which are all bogus and BS and frivolous. In my opinion, those numbers are just utterly, utterly pathetic. It just made up numbers. But assume he's saying that the damage for the data breach in 2021 is $10 billion. Right. So what would stop somebody right now who was also impacted by that data breach to say, I want to be part of a class action of people impacted by the same data breach? What would stop a lawyer from finding the victim of the data breach? And by the way, in these data breach cases, they usually settle for like 500 bucks and you get like, data security. I used to handle data breach cases as a lawyer as well. You know, the, you know, when, when Equifax and all those types of companies, remember like those companies have had their data breached, people would get like a thousand bucks or 2,000 bucks, and you'd get like a data security for like five years free or something. That's usually how those cases. You don't get $10 billion. But okay, what if you have a good data breach? Plaintiff's class action lawyer says, oh, wow, $10 billion per victim, per person. Okay, well, let's have a class action. I'll represent all 4004040 or 40. Let's just say 44,000. Because that's what I did the math. Then everybody's damages, 10 billion. We'll file the class action. The Department of Justice is going to have to defend it.

Brett (60:11)

Right.

Ben (60:11)

And they're conceding on the Trump lawsuit that they owe him 10 billion. Besson said that there's 44. That 404,000 other people impacted by this. Okay, so the class action demand, if it was 44,000 people impacted, would be about 470, whatever it is, I'm horrible for, but around 450 to 470 trillion dollars. Right. So if Trump sets a precedent that he gets 10 billion, then shouldn't the other 400,000 people all get $10 billion? So now our national debt just went from $38 trillion, which Trump is responsible for about 30 to 35% of that. And that's going up, by the way, to now in the quadrillions. Because now the government's gonna have to pay out a class action settlement of a quadrillion dollars, or at the low end, 4,470 trillion dollars based on that logic.

Jordy (61:09)

Right.

Ben (61:10)

Oh, then you're gonna go, well, actually, we're gonna fight the class action, but Donald Trump's. We're gonna settle with Donald Trump. Okay, well, that'll be an interesting argument for the DoJ to have to make before a federal judge. Hey, Judge, they conceded that this is a claim. So. But do you see how just even doing this has repercussions on everything? You see how Donald Trump's tariffs against the world ends up leading to all the other countries entering to agreements with each other and cutting the United States out? Right? I mean, do you see how Donald Trump trying to enrich himself and his bitcoin company World Liberty Financial, by giving away our semiconductor technology to the uae, ends up resulting both in the destruction of our national security secrets and bitcoin collapsing as well. You know, as Trump enters the bitcoin space in such a kind of phony and in my opinion, fabricated way. And now bitcoin is crashing, in my view, as a result of Donald. Like, do you see how all of his things have the same reaction? And now you have a stock market here in the United States and gdp, which is basically propped up by deal churn of AI companies just doing deals with each other. They are concealing, in my opinion, the debt on their balance sheet by saying it's capex expenditures on the, on paying loans or paying leases, rather on data centers. And so they're, they're actually hiding debt by creating these structures that act like, like the, that act like their debt is capex expenditures. It's all bogus, in my view. It's all a fugazi. And the sec, which is supposed to step in and regulate, they're nowhere to be found. The criminals are getting pardoned by Donald Trump. And this doesn't actually help anybody because everybody gets screwed by it in the long run. Which brings me to. I just, I know American media does not usually cover what goes on in the Parliament of uk, but I think it is telling and important for us to talk about. Brett, before I show the UK Parliament, did you want to comment on any of that?

Brett (63:22)

I think you basically covered it all. But I just want to say, if you're a Trump voter out there, what are you getting out of this at this point? Like, you're losing your jobs. If you were a big crypto person, you've lost all your crypto. You're Giving Donald Trump $10 billion of your money. It's like the guy is screwing you left and right. He's scamming you in emails with all these tricks. Is it just so you could like, hate whoever you want to hate and feel good about it? Because right now there is really truly no justification for anything. Even if, like, well, I'm not even going to go. But it's just like, wake up, wake up. This guy is a scam artist and you are the mark and you are the ones who are enabling this to continue to happen. And I think that's why, though we see Donald Trump's approval rating right now, even the latest Rasmussen poll falling off a cliff, because he actually is starting to lose some of these base voters. Before we get into the clips from the UK Parliament, I do want to give a shout out to people in the uk. I've always loved watching clips of UK Parliament. Y' all get rowdy, you get right up in each other's grill. Like I would love to be able to see in the United States a President of the United States just get screamed at by any everybody around there in Congress. It really is actually, to me, a very powerful thing to see leaders be held accountable like that in a setting like that. And so these clips, I think it's interesting to note right now that as we see the fallout from the Epstein files. A lot of what we're seeing in terms of the fallout is politically speaking, is happening overseas. It's happening in the UK you have Prime Minister Taylor Pierce Starmer in the UK under fire. You have Peter Mandelson in the uk he's resigned from his position. He's out and now appears to be under a criminal investigation due to giving Jeffrey Epstein some tips of information from the government before it was actually made public about major, major global affairs and economic policy shifts. And so you're seeing things in Norway, you're seeing things and investigations in the, in Lithuania, you're seeing Poland speak out, Donald Tusk and Poland speaking out about this. But here, as I said earlier in the episode, you have the Department of Justice and these Republicans acting like Donald Trump's personal law firm. You are seeing some fallout in certain sects of corporations and whatnot. You're seeing like the chair of Paul Weiss, the law firm, I should note, one of the, maybe the first law firm to cave to die. Donald Trump, he is out because he was all over the Epstein files. And so we are seeing a fallout like that. But as of now, and I don't expect this to change anytime soon, all of these Republicans and the doj, our government structure right now is protecting Donald Trump throughout all of this. Now, Ben, let's go to the UK because these clips, to me, I think they're powerful.

Ben (66:10)

You also have David Ross, department chair at the School of Visual Arts in New York City, former director of the Whitney Museum of American Art Art, announced resignation as well. Okay, let's take a look at what was going on in the UK just so everybody knows the dynamic. This Mandelson guy, he was the UK Ambassador to the United States. People knew that he had some or the party that appointed him, the Labor Party, knew he had some connections to Epstein, but didn't know the extent of it. And he had some questionable ethical issues in the past as well. By the way, he's in the Epstein files in various very grotesque ways, but in my view, not quite as, you know, I mean, it's hard to say which is more grotesque than the other. But I mean, Trump was in it far more than Mandelson, you know, was in it. And Trump was closer friend. Everybody. Trump says Epstein's a great guy. Even the stuff that are in the files that we knew about Trump before, you know, all over. So we know Trump's deep connections to Epstein undisputed. But now the opposition party, the Tories in the uk, the Conservative Party there, you know, their out there. And by the way, the Tories have their own issues and their own, you know, it's not like they're, you know, free of any kind of corruption and issues. And also, I don't want to lose sight of the Reform Party, Nigel Farage, which is their far right wing party, kind of working with Russia and as part of a lot of this cabal as well, in order to undermine and break down government. So when I focus on the Labor Party, I think it's important, especially as an American and talking about politics of another country, that I do so with the nuance it deserves, that I'm not in any way ignoring Nigel Farage, Reform Party, the right wing extremist party there, and their links to Putin and their links to try to Brexit, which is what Epstein was also involved in, Brexit and talking about how that's going to create opportunities for this cabal of people. And obviously Farage was a major player there in Brexit, you know, for example, as well. So I don't want to talk about it. So anyway, so you have the opposition party in the UK Parliament pressing Prime Minister Keir Starmer for answers and accountability. Hey, Starmer, when you won the election and there's a big Labour Party majority right now in the Parliament from the election that they won and a Starmer should be relatively, the Labor Party itself should, based on the seats that they hold in Parliament, you know, it should be relatively safe through 2029, which is when the next elections would otherwise be. But Starmer right now personal, personally is vulnerable because what did he know? When did he know it about Mandelson? And that became a big theme, like this guy was hanging out with the pedo and he disgraced and shamed the uk. So first I want you to watch as some of the opposition leaders and opposition figures start raising the issue of Mandelson's connections with Epstein. And what did Prime Minister of UK Keir Starmer know? When did know it? Let's play the first clip.

Host (69:04)

Absolutely. It absolutely beggars belief. And if we want to clean up politics, then this sort of thing should not be being allowed to happen. Politics is a difficult place, we know that. But this, this was down to judgment. It was down to the judgment of one person or was it the judgment of others around that person? So I urge the Honourable and Right Honourable members on the Labour benches opposite do the right thing this evening. Stand up for democracy, stand up for Parliament and stand up for decency. Lydia Kearns.

Jordy (69:46)

I'm here.

Host (69:47)

Madame Deputy Speaker Liberation Day. That is how Manderson described the day of a Epstein's release for prison for procuring children to be trafficked and raped. Mandelson's next message was how is freedom feeling? Epstein replied, she feels fresh, firm and creamy. Mandelson's next reply. Naughty boy. Disgusting. Now we hadn't seen this email, I'll admit, when the ambassador was appointed. But let's look at what we did know when he was appoint ambassador. We knew at that point that he had consoled this paedophile. Consoled him on his being found guilty and convicted for just one of the many, many crimes he had committed. We also knew that while he was Deputy Prime Minister of this country and business and Trade Secretary carrying the flag of our great nation on an official visit to New York, he stayed in a convicted paedophile's flat.

Ben (70:55)

And let me show you this next clip of another person.

Brett (70:57)

By the way, I guess the Epstein people really like using the phrase Liberation Day. That was the phrase that.

Ben (71:02)

Oh absolutely. Liberation Day is what we hear from Trump all of Liberation Day. Liberation Day. Take a listen to this next member of Parliament there.

Donald Trump (71:09)

Now the Prime Minister was asked today.

Senator Gallego (71:13)

Directly could he tell us did the official security vetting that he received mention Mandelson's ongoing relationship with the pedophile Jeffrey Epstein?

Ben (71:26)

And he replied, yes, it did.

Donald Trump (71:31)

Now the point is that when the.

Senator Gallego (71:32)

Minister says he lied to the Prime.

Donald Trump (71:35)

Minister, but the Prime Minister knew that relationship was ongoing. So even if he lied about some.

Ben (71:45)

Other aspects of the relationship, cannot the.

Donald Trump (71:48)

Minister see that the fact there was any ongoing relationship at all with a man who'd been imprisoned for pedophilia and prostitution, can he not see that that was an impossible position to defend?

Ben (72:05)

And finally, let me show you, when Prime Minister Keir Starmer was directly confronted and he had a stand there, there and answer for it. And while to me his answer was not acceptable and I think that's how most people in the UK feel. And again, I want to be very clear, it's very hypocritical for the Tories to act holier than thou. Like I know that's coming in the comments and certainly by my focus here, I'm not ignoring the Reform Party's role in Brexit and being part of this whole desire of right wing authoritarians to topple the world order, create disruption that we talked about. So I just again, I need to be very sensitive when reporting on foreign air, especially as an American, that I listen to you loud and clear. But I want you to watch as Starmer admits to a mistake and says, yes, I was told I was lied to. But he doesn't deny, no, I don't know what you're talking about. He takes a level of responsibility for it and confesses and says, yes, I knew. And then there's an audible gasp of watch this.

Host (73:14)

Can the prime minister tell us, did the official security vetting he received mention Mandelson's ongoing relationship with the paedophile?

Senator Gallego (73:24)

JEFFREY epstein, PRIME MINISTER yes, it did. As a result, various questions were put to him. I intend to disclose to this House all of the national security prejudice to international relations on one side. I want to make sure that. I want to make sure this House sees the full documentation so it will see for itself the extent to which. The extent to which, time and time, time again, Mandelson completely misrepresented the extent of his relationship with Epstein and lied throughout the process.

Ben (74:03)

I thought that was important to show you and to share that with you. And of course, here you have MAGA Mike Johnson. Let's contrast that to what MAGA Mike Johnson said when he was asked by Manu Raju in the halls of the Capitol about Trump appearing over and over again on these files. Just take a look at the difference. Play this clip.

Brett (74:24)

Shouldn't Trump have to answer some questions, too? He's been named more than a thousand.

Ben (74:27)

Times in these documents. The president submits to press inquiries every day.

Jordy (74:32)

Not under oath, not under oath, not under oath.

Senator Gallego (74:35)

But he's asked the questions all the time and he answers them.

Jordy (74:38)

We'll see where it goes.

Ben (74:40)

Brett, isn't that just night and day.

Brett (74:43)

Like I said this? These Republicans, the Supreme Court, the Department of justice, everybody here just acts as if they are Donald Trump's own personal defense attorneys. And this is a really serious subject and a really dark subject and not something to joke about. It's horrifying. It is something that demands accountability from those figures who are deemed to be guilty of heinous acts via the files. And, you know, while it's heartening to see other countries step up and demand accountability for their leaders, it's very disheartening here in the United States to see this protection racket that exists around Donald Trump right now, because this is, like I said, really serious, really heinous stuff we are dealing with. And it certainly appears that Donald Trump was right in the center of all of it.

Ben (75:40)

Absolutely. And what's Donald Trump focused on today? He will agree to remove blocking important critical funds for New York. If you put his name on everything. Trump wants his name on dulles and Penn Station. And he has asked Schumer support renaming Washington Dulles and Penn Station after Trump. And then Trump will release the funding for the Gateway project. I mean, you just see this behavior over and over again and you're like, the hell is even happening? I'll leave us with some good news. Virginia in their both houses, their chambers controlled by a Democrat, Democrats in both houses. Now they put forward a 10 to 1 map. And not only have Democrats now completely neutralized MAGA's effort to rig the midterms, Democrats are actually going to net more seats, it seems in the mid decade redistricting. And not only that, what Trump has done in Texas, based on what we saw over the weekend in Texas state Senate district number nine, where a plus 17 Trump district turned plus 14 to Democrat, a 31 plus shift is by creating five additional Republican seats that they believed would go Republican in their mid decade redistricting. They've now diluted other seats that may have been even safer Republican seats. So now there's so many more seats that have been put down below plus 15 in Texas. So now what Trump inadvertently did is made all these other seats more vulnerable in Texas right now based on the results that we're seeing in Democratic overperformance. And so not only may the Democrats win those five seats that Trump thought would turn Republican, but now some of those other Texas seats that maybe say went from plus 17 or plus 20 to plus 12 or plus 13 in order to then give some of those voters in the, to the blue districts to turn those districts red because you have to pull from someplace in order to, you know, create a redder district. They may have now created a situation where they just handed even more seats to Democrats as a result. Let me leave you with the Senate pro tempe temporary. The leader of the Senate along with the leader of their equivalent of their House chamber there, watch this press conference that they held.

Host (78:12)

Let's play me more seats then. That's not enough. So he calls North Carolina, Missouri, Ohio. I need more.

Senator Gallego (78:18)

I need more.

Host (78:19)

Today we are leveling the playing field. There are not. These are not ordinary times. And Virginia will not sit on the.

Ben (78:25)

Sideline while it happens.

Host (78:26)

We made a promise to level the.

Ben (78:28)

Playing field and today we're keeping our promise.

Host (78:31)

Our maps are ready. Virginia is ready. We said 10:1 and we meant it. And we are proud to deliver a map that stands up for democracy to stand up.

Ben (78:40)

Virginians to stand up and give us a voice. He started this mess and Virginia is.

Host (78:45)

Going to finish it.

Ben (78:46)

Virginia to the rescue. Senator Lucas said it best. We've been working really hard, hard to make sure that we got this delivered. This is about leveling the playing field. Across the country, Republicans are gerrymandering maps to override the will of the voters. We just saw it in Texas, North Carolina and Missouri. At Donald Trump's direction, they're manipulating election maps because they know they can't win on their agenda in 2026. So instead of changing their ideas, they're trying to rig the system. A 10:1 map, levels of playing field, and we're ready to move forward. They will make a good on our promise by releasing the maps publicly. We're going to get them released either by the end of the day or early tomorrow. We'll get those maps released and putting them out in the open and allowing them to be debated the way they should be in a democracy. We're going to leave it up to Virginia voters. The maps are ready. Virginia is ready. And that's what my senator said many times. Ten one. Ten one. Thank y'.

Host (79:38)

All.

Ben (79:38)

They did say ten one the entire time. So hat tip right there to the Senate pro temporary State Senator Lucas and.

Brett (79:47)

Speaker Scott right there, who's been on.

Ben (79:48)

The show, who's been in the show a lot before, but also give a hat tip to Governor Newsom with Prop 50 really starting the pushback. And you see when you fight back, you win. Like, to me, that's the lesson, and that's a good lesson to end on. When you fight back, you win. And we're seeing that when you fight. Trump wanted to hide the Epstein files, by the way. There's still 3 million files that have not been produced that I believe are far more devastating than what's actually been turned over. But you fight for them. You get leaders who say, we're not giving up. You've got Garcia in the House Oversight Committee, Khan, Massie and others. Boom, you get a release. And what a difference. That's been one of the biggest game changers, Prop 50, biggest game changers. He's got to keep on fighting back with moral formal authority, with people power. Brett, I'll give you the final word.

Brett (80:37)

On the episode, but just think about Governor Newsom's move. Governor Newsom decided that he was not going take what the Republicans were doing laying down. And he got up there and he took a risk, like there was no guarantee that Prop 50 was going to work. He took a big swing here. I remember all those various pundits on Capitol Hill were mocking him. This is never gonna work. Oof, look at the polling. The polling doesn't look so good if it's like this right now. These usually get less popular as it goes on. But Gavin Newsom hit the ground. He made the case. He brought this directly to the voters. Unlike what Texas did. He sold the crap out of it and people were all on board. And people now see Governor News as a fighter. He set the stage for these other Democrats to follow in his lead and do the same thing. And he also sent a warning shot out there to these Republicans that you want to keep playing this game. We could keep doing this every single time. And now we're seeing how this whole process of the gerrymandering by the Republicans has backfired. The Democrats are likely to end up with a net gain of seats since the Republicans are started this, whatever you want to call it, this game, this competition, this, this gerrymandering battle. And Democrats are actually going to win because the Democrats in the states are actually fighting back to Ben's point. And now even the Supreme Court, within the past 24 hours or so, they said that we're going to reject the Republican petition to try to overturn Prop 50. We're not even going to take it up. It was a unanimous, unanimous decision in the Supreme Court. So you could officially mark it up on the board that Governor Gavin Newsom has defeated the Republicans in this battle. And it should be a model for all Democrats and all people going against this MAGA co opted Republican Party that is trying to destroy everything we have that we have to be fighting fire with fighter. We gotta be able to punch back and when we fight, we win, as they say.

Ben (82:29)

Right? And so, you know, if Trump saying that he can fire everybody without any oversight, Democrats can do it too and we take control of the White House, right? They could do it too, you know, all of these things. Democrats could do it, you know, okay, These are the new rules that you are all creating. Okay, you sure? You know, and they don't think through those things, you know, and you know, it's time to fight back with moral formal authority, not because of any political party, but because we're in a fascist situation. We're not in a constitutional crisis. We're well beyond that. And it's time that we take back our country. We fight for our country. We fight for democracy. We stand up together. Thanks everybody for watching. Reminder. Hit subscribe. Help us get to 6 million subscribers. We're like 80,000 subscribers away. You may think you're subscribed, double check and hit subscribe and turn your notifications on in the channel. Try to join the channel as well. Become a member of the channel and you can could gift memberships to others. Check out Our substack@midasplus.com Subscribe on audio just search Midas Touch on Audio Podcast and we appreciate you. We're grateful for you. We're in this together. Keep fighting. Keep the momentum. I know difficult times. I know it's challenging. We're in it together. We'll get through this together. Thanks everybody for watching. We're grateful for you. Shout out to the Midas Mighty, the mighty Standing strong against the fascists we sing our song.

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