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Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
Mike Johnson is having an awful morning. His messaging is just all over the place. He's talking about rabble rousers getting paid more money than pregnant women. And somehow this is why he and Donald Trump want to shut the government down. I have no clue what he's even talking about talking about it. Rabble rousers are getting paid. Everybody. Did everybody know Rabble rousers are getting paid. Play this clip.
Mike Johnson (MAGA Republican Politician)
If you're a young pregnant American citizen woman who shows up in an ER and you get treated and they pay the hospital less for treating you than some illegal rabble rouser who came in from some, you know, South American country to do us harm, that is wrong. The Republican Party stands for common sense in the big beautiful bill. We fix that. And Chuck Schumer wants to unwind it. And it is unconscionable to me that he's inflicting all this pain on American citizens so they can play games and try to appease the radical left base. That's what this is.
Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
He's like just literally playing mad libs or like cosplaying Donald Trump. I don't even know what, what, what are you even talking about? I mean, if you're a young pregnant woman, you're worried about rabble rousers getting reimbursed by hospitals. So they don't want to extend the Affordable Care act subsidies and they don't want to protect people's Medicare. What, what am I missing here? I'm just, I'm, I'm. What the hell they're talking about. Americans are going to lose their health care and they're having these like bizarro conversations and creepy conversations. We all know that. Earlier this morning, Donald Trump also posted that the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois, Pritzker, need to be arrested. So Magam Mike was asked his thoughts. You know, do, do you think they should be arrested? Should the, should the governor of Illinois be arrested now? A Normal speaker would say, no, no, you don't arrest governors, but this is what this guy said. Here, play this clip.
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Do you agree that the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois should be in prison?
Mike Johnson (MAGA Republican Politician)
Should they be in prison? Should the mayor of Chicago and the governor of Illinois be in prison? I'm not the Attorney General, I'm the Speaker of the House and I'm trying to manage the chaos here. I'm not following the day to day on that. I do know that they've resisted the introduction of or the offering of National Guard troops in Chicago, which is a terribly dangerous city and has been destroyed under, in the process of being destroyed under liberal Democrat governance and their terrible policies.
Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
What kind of answer is that? Where are these people from? What world are you living in? These, these states and cities are not in the process of being destroyed. They're freaking subsidizing your district, they're subsidizing your state quite literally. You are a taker district in a taker state that relies on these areas you're attacking to subsidize your very existence as a state. It's just, it's mind boggling to me that he goes up there and this is what he's talking about in a shutdown. So what about emtala? What about the Emergency Medical Treatment Act? Because it seems that all the talking points are that people who show up in the emergency room now have to show their, their papers. No matter who you are, who are you, are you here lawfully or not? And that's when the physician decides in an emergency room if they treat you. So Maga, Mike, that seems to be J.D. vance's talking points and what you were saying before, because otherwise migrants are not allowed to get health care under Medicare, Medicaid or Affordable Care act extensions. Is that what you mean? Mag and Mike here play this clip. Speaker Johnson, a lot of the free.
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Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
Emergency rooms which are required by federal law to care for anybody, even if they can't pay, even if they're not a citizen. Do you think that that law should be changed?
Mike Johnson (MAGA Republican Politician)
No, you're talking about emtala, which has been part of the law for most of my life. Emergency care is provided without question to anyone who comes in. If you're hemorrhaging and you show up in an emergency room, you get treated. That's something we all support. That's a very good law. We're in favor of it. You're cherry picking A tiny subset of the issues.
Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
Not cherry picking the issue, he's picking the cherry that you've been talking about every, every other day. What is going on here? And finally, should the MAGA Republicans use the nuclear option and just push forward this extremist Trump Project 2025, take health care away from the American people agenda and have no filibuster in the Senate Here, let's play this clip.
Mike Johnson (MAGA Republican Politician)
Could you go nuclear and blow that all up and end the filibuster buster once and for all and allow everything for only majority party vote, 51 votes in the Senate. I mean, is it possible? Yes. Is it, is it wise? You can have a lot of people who would tell you it's not. I mean, on the Republican side, I would be deeply concerned if the Democrats had a bare majority in the Senate right now, a Marxist ideology taken over the Democrat Party. Do I want them to have no safeguards and no stumbling blocks or hurdles at all in the way of turning us into a communist country? I don't think that's a great idea. That's me. So what's good for the goose is good for the gander, as they always say. And there are some safeguards in the process that were built in a long, long time ago to prevent one party.
Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
Just running rough shut Marxist agenda rabble rousers. What is he talking about? To help me make sense of it, let's bring in Congresswoman Haley Stevens. Congresswoman Stevens is also running for the Senate seat in Michigan. We'll talk about that because you heard him over there talk about ending the filibust in the Senate. But first, when you see him there given a press conference like that and saying these things while he's sent all of his MAGA Republican members to go on a paid vacation while you're there in D.C. working, what's your response, Congresswoman?
Congresswoman Haley Stevens
Yeah, we're ready to stand up for the health care of the people of this country. And certainly I'm fighting for the pocketbooks of Michiganders. And I will tell you, I was actually at the dentist office talking to my hygienist who has a 10 month old and she was talking about the actual bill that she has from giving birth, the $16,000 that it cost her to just have a baby and how she was going to pay that bill and how she probably wasn't going to. And so why aren't we having a more realistic conversation about what is happening to the pocketbooks of everyday Michiganders? That's what I'm fighting for. That's what I want to get done here. Not more tax cuts for billionaires and falsehoods being spouted. Just actual real common sense. What is taking place for working Michiganers.
Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
So just tell us, you know, what the, what this really means in dollars and cents. Because, you know, you have Republicans out there changing, like, whatever their messaging is, it seems every day, one day they're blaming migrants. Another day they're blaming transgender people. Another day they're posting about sombreros. Another day, Donald Trump and maga, Mike and Thune, they're just, like, threatening, you better sign this or else we're firing all government employees and the Democrat agencies, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean. We're going to go after. I don't even know what they're even talking about. And then, you know, at the. But like, this is about. I mean, I've been posting a lot of this data. It's like someone. Someone who's on an Affordable Care act plan who's, you know, paying 300 to $400 a month. They're going to pay $2,000 a month to go bankrupt, like, very soon, like, imminent bankruptcy, while Donald Trump's showing photos about how gold his Oval Office is. So, like, this is a real human issue. This isn't some abstraction.
Congresswoman Haley Stevens
No. And there's $1.3 trillion of credit card debt in this country. There are people who are putting grocery bills on credit, paying interest on them. We are in an affordability crisis. Coffee is up 20%. Beef is up 16%. Bacon is up over 10%. Give me a break. And now we're going to see the health care costs skyrocket. I'll give you some more numbers, Ben. We've got a family of four at $125,000 a year. They're going to see their health care costs go up about $7,700 a year. That is not chump change. That is paying for kids sports games. That is, you know, buying the snacks that you need to feed growing kids. Look, this is not acceptable. And yet what did we get? Billionaires getting a tax cut and all this gamesmanship. And look, it's a really simple proposition that we're all, you know, offering here. Protect the pocketbooks of people. You know, look, we've got Republicans right now who are trying to introduce legislation yet again to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. That is not a solution right now. That is not going to work. This is about keeping costs low, avoiding a health care crisis that we are tumbling into. I've been hearing this for Months. I mean, we are at a boiling point. Employers had had to let employees know what was going to be covered, what wasn't, what costs were going to go up. Back in August, tax bill was passed. So look, you know, just come to the table, negotiate. In some respects, you know, it was reported that, you know, the President certainly wanted to do so. And now it's just blustering and bulls in the china shop going every which way. And many of us, myself included, are staying laser focused on what we are hearing from the people we are so proud to represent. What I am hearing from the people of Michigan, who I fight for each and every single day.
Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
Yeah, I mean, it's like in fifth grade, I think I took my first government course or learned a little bit about how the system works. And you learn, you know what, in our system, when there's multiple political parties and you don't live in a dictatorship, the parties speak to each other and they compromise and they come up with solutions. Unless, you know, Republicans had a filibuster proof majority in the Senate, they don't have to do anything. Maybe it's a different story. But where you require compromise, you speak. And by the way, even if you had a filibuster proof, whatever, you would still, in an American system that we were the champions of in the world, say, wow, this other group, this other political party still represents millions and tens of millions. So how do we make sure we're helping America as a country? And right now you have the exact opposite. I mean, it seems that for Trump and, and maga, the enemy is the liberal and their friend is Vladimir Putin.
Congresswoman Haley Stevens
Yeah, no, it's very troubling and I would say that this seems to only happen under Donald Trump's leadership. Chaos, confusion. It is no surprise that this is the way government works. They're bragging that they've got this mandate, this stronghold, then why can't they open the government? Why can't they make sure military personnel get paid? This is what we get with Donald Trump's leadership. This is also why I have introduced legislation called no tariffs on Groceries Act. Because 55 tariff announcements in the first hundred days and still going are contributing to those rising costs and they're impacting people. And that's a common sense proposal around blanket tariffs. We are not getting the solution from his administration. And you know, it's, it's a darn shame.
Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
Let's talk about the Senate race right now. Running for Senate from state of Michigan. Talk to us about that, you know, and talk to us, you Know, right now it's in a primary. When is the primary? And talk to us about kind of your pitch to the voters that sets you aside from the other candidates.
Congresswoman Haley Stevens
Yeah, well, look, my life's work has been defined by putting up my hand for Michigan in very tough, uncertain moment. And this is the most courageous thing I could think to do in this moment, which is push back on Trump's selected Senate candidate. That is Mike Rogers, who has really just made his campaign platform very clear. You know, he wants to rubber stamp Donald Trump and the threats to people's pocketbooks and their benefit checks. I served as chief of staff on President Obama's U.S. auto Rescue. I was the person from Michigan on the team taking the those phone calls during a Great Recession from Michiganders who were worried about their jobs, worried about losing everything they had ever worked for. And now it is eerily similar to that Great Recession period, except for in this moment, we are seeing a billionaire with a chainsaw, you know, slashing through our federal agencies. I was recently named one of Michigan's most effective lawmakers, our most effective Democratic lawmaker in the chamber. I've delivered real results for the people of Michigan, and right now, I am pushing back. I have introduced legislation to remove the tariffs on groceries. I have introduced legislation to stand up to Trump's abuses of power, particularly with deploying the military on fellow Americans. That's legislation I put forward in earlier this year, very presciently. And I'm also leading the effort to impeach rfk, because enough is enough. So I'm campaigning as I am governing, and I am showing people how I will deliver for Michigan in stand up to this chaos, this confusion, and also deliver real results from us. I, I certainly am going to use Michigan as my North Star, unlike Mike Rogers, who just wants to clink his martini glasses, rub elbows and bobble along the Potomac.
Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
Where could people learn more about your campaign, Congresswoman?
Congresswoman Haley Stevens
Well, that is very generous of you, Ben. You know, I've got a website, haley4ami.com I invite people to get involved. This is an unprecedented campaign. There's a reason every single poll shows I'm the only Democrat capable of beating Mike Rogers. And that is because of the magic that I have with independence, the results that I deliver on the way in which I speak the manufacturing language of my state, really understanding what drives us forward. I'm a daughter of small business owners. I grew up around a lot of dirt, grease, and grime because it was a landscape business that my parents were running. And so I'M running with a whole lot of Michigan heart and dedication to the people who deserve the best champion in the United States Senate.
Ben (Podcast Host/Commentator)
Congresswoman Stevens, thanks for joining us. Thanks for sharing all that information and we hope you come back. Everybody hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers. Thanks for watching. Be sure to add the Midas Touch podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcast for new updates and every single day.
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Date: October 12, 2025
Host: Ben Meiselas (w/ Brothers Brett and Jordy Meiselas)
Guest: Congresswoman Haley Stevens (D-MI), U.S. Senate Candidate
This episode centers on the fallout from the latest government shutdown—engineered by Trump-aligned Republicans—and its real-world impacts on everyday Americans. The Meiselas brothers dissect the bizarre, shifting rhetoric coming from Speaker Mike Johnson and the MAGA wing while interviewing Congresswoman Haley Stevens. Stevens discusses the harmful financial consequences for working families, her own policy responses, and her bid for the U.S. Senate from Michigan.
Mike Johnson’s Unhinged Comments
Ben highlights the disarray in Speaker Johnson’s talking points, from invoking “rabble rousers” (03:00–03:52) to parroting Trump’s extreme language and suggesting Democratic leaders be arrested (04:52–05:27).
Republican Attacks on Emergency Healthcare Protections
The hosts scrutinize GOP attacks on emergency medical care for immigrants, specifically EMTALA law, which requires hospitals to treat all patients in emergencies (05:27–07:03).
Nuclear Option and Filibuster Hypocrisy
Republicans threaten to use the “nuclear option” in the Senate but express concern if Democrats hold power (07:28–08:14).
The MeidasTouch team's signature blend of humor, exasperation, and directness is on display, contrasting sharply with Stevens' pragmatic, data-informed, and advocacy-centered responses. The episode is a clarion call against government-by-chaos and for policy that tangibly serves ordinary Americans. It offers context, numbers, and clear political stakes for listeners invested in the future of health care, government function, and representation in the Senate.