Senator Adam Schiff Responds to Trump’s Oval Office Meltdown

Summary

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Episode Overview In this compelling episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast, hosts Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas engage in a deep and critical discussion with Senator Adam Schiff regarding the tumultuous Oval Office meeting between former President Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. Released on March 1, 2025, the episode delves into the implications of Trump's actions on U.S. democracy, international relations, and support for Ukraine amidst ongoing geopolitical tensions.

Key Discussion Points

1. Introduction to the Oval Office Incident ([00:55] - [01:25])

   • Host's Opening: The episode kicks off with the host introducing Senator Adam Schiff to discuss the controversial Oval Office meeting where Donald Trump criticized Ukrainian President Zelensky.

   • Senator Schiff’s Immediate Reaction ([01:25] - [02:54]): Schiff expresses his horror and disappointment over Trump's actions, drawing parallels to historical moments when American leaders stood up for democracy and freedom.

     "I was horrified and sickened by it. To see them so utterly betrayed in this meeting... It's just really incomprehensible to have the President of the United States and the Vice President siding with the Kremlin dictator." ([01:25])

2. Senator Lindsey Graham’s Perspective ([02:54] - [03:51])

   • Host Introduces Graham’s Statements: The host brings up Senator Lindsey Graham’s comments, where Graham suggests that Moscow might now be more fearful of Trump than ever before.

   • Graham’s Insights: Graham highlights that Trump's behavior during the meeting could be perceived as both a strong stance and a televised performance, potentially instilling fear in adversarial nations.

     "I think Moscow is probably more afraid of Trump than ever. Hope the Chinese are, and I hope the Iranians are." ([03:09])

   • Senator Schiff’s Counterargument ([03:51] - [05:32]): Schiff vehemently disagrees with Graham’s assessment, arguing that Trump’s actions likely emboldened Vladimir Putin and weakened international alliances.

     "Vladimir Putin... has to be just overjoyed with this. Watching the President of the United States betray Ukraine... He doesn’t know what meeting my colleague was watching, but it could not have been the same meeting that the rest of America and the world were watching." ([03:58])

3. Bipartisan Support and Political Fallout ([05:32] - [07:34])

   • Host’s Inquiry on Bipartisan Support: The host questions the current state of bipartisan support for Ukraine, especially in light of Trump's actions, and whether Republicans are distancing themselves due to fear of Trump's influence.

   • Schiff’s Observations from the Munich Security Conference ([06:09] - [07:34]): Schiff recounts his recent experiences at the Munich Security Conference, emphasizing ongoing bipartisan support for Ukraine. However, he expresses concern that Trump's recent behavior might erode this support.

     "Whether they'll speak out after today, when they cannot avoid a direct confrontation with the president, remains to be seen... But if it isn't, what happened to the party of Ronald Reagan." ([07:34])

4. Trump’s Public Behavior Post-Meeting ([07:34] - [10:11])

   • Cancellation of Press Conference: Following the Oval Office meeting, Trump cancels a planned press conference and announces the cancellation of peace talks on his social media platform.

   • Public Appearance and Critique of Zelensky: Trump is seen wearing a red MAGA hat and criticizes Zelensky’s approach, urging for a focus on peace rather than negative remarks about Putin.

     "He doesn't have to stand there and... say about Putin this, Putin that. He's got to say, I want to make peace." ([08:19] - [08:32])

   • Schiff’s Analysis of Trump’s Actions ([08:40] - [10:11]): Schiff condemns Trump's behavior as petulant and unbecoming of American leadership, highlighting the dissonance between Trump's actions and American values.

     "This is Donald Trump caring about nothing of American values. It's just about his ego or trying to make a buck or aggrandize himself." ([08:40])

5. Implications for U.S. and International Standing ([10:11] - [12:12])

   • Host’s Final Queries: The host brings up Trump’s recent statements about selling Trump Gold cards to Russian oligarchs and seeks Schiff's final thoughts on the matter.
   • Senator Schiff’s Closing Remarks:

     • Addressing the American Public: Schiff reassures Americans that the actions displayed by Trump do not reflect the nation's true values and emphasizes the importance of defending democracy and alliances.

       "We don't bully an ally. We don't take the side of a dictator. We don't ignore the long and important role that we have played in defending democracy." ([10:55])

     • Message to Global Allies: Schiff underscores the need for global leaders to recognize that Trump's actions are not representative of America, urging a collective stand for democratic values.

       "What they witnessed too might be Donald Trump, but it is not America." ([10:55])

Concluding Thoughts The episode offers a profound critique of Donald Trump's actions during the Oval Office meeting with President Zelensky, highlighting the potential ramifications for U.S. democracy and international relations. Senator Adam Schiff articulates a strong defense of democratic values and underscores the necessity for bipartisan support in maintaining America's global standing. The discussion serves as a clarion call for American citizens and leaders to uphold the principles of democracy and resist any attempts to undermine international alliances.

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• "I was horrified and sickened by it." — Senator Adam Schiff ([01:25])
• "I think Moscow is probably more afraid of Trump than ever." — Senator Lindsey Graham ([03:09])
• "This is Donald Trump caring about nothing of American values." — Senator Adam Schiff ([08:40])
• "We don't bully an ally. We don't take the side of a dictator." — Senator Adam Schiff ([10:55])

Final Remarks The MeidasTouch Podcast continues to deliver insightful and critical discussions on pivotal political events. This episode not only sheds light on the immediate fallout of Trump's actions but also prompts listeners to reflect on the broader implications for democracy and international solidarity. For those seeking a deeper understanding of current political dynamics, this episode is an essential listen.

Transcript

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[Senator Adam Schiff]

Foreign.

[Host]

I'm joined by Senator Adam Schiff. Senator, I want to get your reaction to that travesty in the Oval Office today, where Donald Trump was attacking Ukrainian President Zelensky in the Oval Office with JD Vance laundering talking points seems directly from the Kremlin. You had President Zelensky, in my view, kind of holding his ground, defending his country and frankly, all democracies. I want to get your reaction to what you observed.

[Senator Adam Schiff]

I was horrified and sickened by it. I think about what other generations of Americans have done, going off to war in World War II, fighting for our freedom, fighting for democracy, fighting for our values. To see them so utterly betrayed in this meeting. It is just really incomprehensible to have the President of the United States and the vice president of the United States siding with the Kremlin dictator, regurgitating his talking points. A country that brutally invaded its neighbor, that has massacred tens of thousands of people, that has kidnapped children, that is torturing POWs, that's the guy they're defending and they're abusing the president of Ukraine, Zelensky, who was forced to defend himself, defend his country, and all in the service of what exactly? The mineral rights? Is that what this is about? That President Trump is upset he didn't get the mineral rights to Ukraine? Are we that transactional? Does nothing matter to us but some kind of protection racket or I don't know what. But whether this was a deliberate sabotage, an orchestrated sabotage, or whether a small, petty, weak President Donald Trump was just offended that the president of Ukraine stood up for his country? I don't know. But we are going to be living with the consequences of this for a very long time.

[Host]

Your colleague, Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican, he spoke after the meeting, and he said that he thinks that after that, Moscow will be more afraid than ever. Let me show you what Senator Graham had to say, and I'll get your reaction to it.

[Senator Lindsey Graham]

Take away. I told President Trump, I said, there's two ways to look at this. Your interaction with Zelensky was maybe the best television I've ever seen. But it's deeper than that. The world is now watching how Trump behaves and acts when he's pressed. I thought he stood up for America, that we're a good people, we want to help you, but we're going to be respected. So I think Moscow is probably more afraid of Trump than ever. Hope the Chinese are, and I hope the Iranians are. As to Zelensky and Ukraine, to the Ukrainian people, America wants to help you. The way the meeting went today, you made it almost impossible to help you.

[Host]

Senator Schiff, do you think Moscow is more afraid than ever after what they observed in the Oval Office earlier today with Trump and Zelensky?

[Senator Adam Schiff]

I can't imagine a better meeting from the point of view of Vladimir Putin. He has to be just overjoyed with this. Watching the President of the United States betray Ukraine, watching the President of the United States call Ukraine the aggressor, make out Zelenskyy to be a dictator, literally. They must be celebrating in the Kremlin. This has been such a dramatic transformation of American policy. So I don't know what meeting my colleague was watching, but it could not have been the same meeting that the rest of America and the world were watching. This is a dream come true for the Kremlin, but for our allies. And I think you can see the reaction of our allies, world leaders in Europe and elsewhere, all coming to the defense of Ukraine. They witnessed the same meeting, and they're all expressing support for Ukraine. And why? Because they witnessed the President of the United States betray Ukraine. So I don't think there's any question about what the mood is in Moscow. It's just jubilant. But everywhere else, it's a cataclysm. And frankly, if the President of the United States won't defend our values, won't defend democracy, won't stand by our allies, then we damn well need to do it in Congress. And I hope that what we heard from one of my colleagues is very much an outlier, because if it isn't, I don't know what happened to the party of Ronald Reagan. Ronald Reagan must be rolling over in his grave right now.

[Host]

So what do you think is the reaction that's going to be. I'm not sure if you've heard anything from some of your colleagues, perhaps on the other side of the aisle yet. That's what Lindsey Graham had to say. There was, you know, tended to be bipartisan support for, by and large, I mean, I would say there were a lot of Republicans in the House who were in supportive of Ukraine, but in the Senate, there was more bipartisan support of Ukraine and Zelensky. What are you hearing now? Are Republicans so afraid of Trump that they're just going to. They're afraid of his tweets and Elon Musk posting things on. On X and Doge, do whatever. I mean, what's going on?

[Senator Adam Schiff]

I went to the Munich security conference, which was only a week or 10 days ago, and it was a bipartisan delegation. We sat down and met with Zelensky. During those meetings, I expressed my strong support for Ukraine. I took issue with what Secretary Hegseth had then said about, well, Ukraine won't be a member of NATO and they're not going to be able to retain the territory that Russia has invaded and said that no, Ukraine and NATO should decide who's in NATO. Nobody gets a veto. The Kremlin really doesn't get a veto. And what's more, we shouldn't be undercutting Ukraine in terms of its territory, even before negotiation begins. And those remarks I made were not an outlier. I think they were very much consistent on a bipartisan basis with what other senators in the room also felt. Now, whether they'll speak out, some have spoken out before today. Whether they'll speak out after today, when they cannot avoid a direct confrontation with the president, remains to be seen. But if not now, when, if not after such a fundamental betrayal, then indeed their support for Ukraine, for our international standing, has simply vanished, disappeared, along with Donald Trump's arrival on the scene.

[Host]

So after that Oval Office meeting, Donald Trump canceled a press conference that was supposed to happen and then announced that he posted on his social media platform that he was also just canceling the peace talks. I mean, it feels like what a petulant child would do in a situation like that. Then he went outside of the White House and he was wearing the, like the, the red MAGA hat. And he was basically asked by the press, so what would Zielinski, what, what's, what should Zelensky have done in the Oval Office? And Trump is like, well, he shouldn't have stood there and been like, Putin's bad, Putin this, Putin that. Like, why was he talking about, like, Putin that way? I Mean, here, here you could hear for yourself what Trump said. I'll get your reaction to it.

[Senator Adam Schiff]

Let's, let's play.

[Donald Trump]

He's got to say, I want to make peace.

[Senator Adam Schiff]

He doesn't have to stand there and.

[Donald Trump]

Say about Putin this, Putin that.

[Senator Adam Schiff]

All negative things. He's got to say, I want to make peace. I don't want to fight a war any longer. His people are dying.

[Host]

Trump saying, he doesn't have to say negative things. Putin this, Putin that. I mean, it's, it's. I'm watching that and I'm thinking to myself, like, like, this is crazy. This is crazy stuff.

[Senator Adam Schiff]

It is crazy stuff. And it's a continuation of what we heard from President Trump yesterday when he was talking about how we can rely on Putin. And Putin seems to be a man of his word. This is the guy who puts polonium in your tea and kills you. This is a guy who has murdered journalists and thrown. Not personally, but had top Russian military and other leaders who disagree with him or aren't sufficiently pro Putin thrown out of windows or has their plane crashed, as we saw with Prigozhin. This is the guy that we're gonna certainly trust him. And he's taking issue with Zelensky for his criticism of Putin. We used to have presidents of the United States until this one, who would share that criticism of the Kremlin dictator. But look, this is Donald Trump being petulant. Donald Trump. This is Donald Trump caring about nothing of American values. It's just about his ego or trying to make a buck or aggrandize himself. If he truly believed in the peace negotiations, would he be willing to walk away from them with such a huff? You know, it's all about Donald Trump. And today, Donald Trump wasn't pleased with a leader who stood up for himself and stood up for his country and wasn't going to be a lick spittle. But you can see the reaction around the world. And it has not isolated Zelensky, it has isolated Donald Trump and sadly, the United States of America along with him.

[Host]

Well, Senator, this week as well, Donald Trump said he would be selling Trump gold cards for $5 million a to Russian oligarchs. He said, yes, Russian oligarchs, they could buy into the United States if they wanted to be citizens. They didn't have to buy a Trump Gold card. I won't get into that. I've covered that before. Just final question, which is, it's obviously a dark day, a day that's going to live in infamy in American history, world history, and especially in Ukraine. So first, as a senator from California, you know, as someone who is a leader in the United States Senate and generally in our polit body politic right now, what is, what do you want to say to the people of America right now? And then what do you want to say to the people of Ukraine and the world?

[Senator Adam Schiff]

Well, to the people of America, I want to just say this is not who we are. This is not who we are. We don't bully an ally. We don't take the side of a dictator. We don't ignore the long and important role that we have played in defending democracy. That is not who we are. We're just not what we saw displayed by the president, United States today. And I think we all have a role to play right now in the defense, not just of Ukraine, but of what the country stands for, of our values. I would say to our allies around the world, what they witnessed too might be Donald Trump, but it is not America. And we'll have to get through this period. We'll have to struggle through this period. We'll have to be more reliant. When I say we, the freedom loving people of the world are going to have to be more reliant on other leaders in the world because we cannot rely on this president. And it's a terrible way to feel about a president United States. But the shameful display we had today is so antithetical to everything that our country has stood for and I hope it is never repeated.

[Host]

Senator Adam Schiff, thank you for joining us this evening.

[Senator Adam Schiff]

Thank you everybody.

[Host]

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