Senator Kim Calls Out Trump and MAGA for the Trump Shutdown

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The MeidasTouch Podcast

Episode: Senator Kim Calls Out Trump and MAGA for the Trump Shutdown
Date: October 12, 2025
Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas (MeidasTouch Network), with guest Senator Andy Kim

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Episode Overview

This episode zeroes in on the unfolding government shutdown, pinning much of the blame on Donald Trump and House Speaker Mike “MAGA Mike” Johnson. Through a blend of passionate discussion, listeners’ heartfelt calls, and a key interview with Senator Andy Kim (D-NJ), the Meiselas brothers expose what they view as the chaos and cruelty underpinning MAGA-led governance. The episode particularly spotlights the impact of the shutdown on American families and major infrastructure projects, the lack of actual Republican policy solutions, and how Trump's mob-boss style tactic of withholding vital resources is alienating even his own supporters.

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1. MAGA Mike Johnson Faces “Real America” on C-SPAN

Key Highlights

• C-SPAN Collage: Host Ron Filipkowski plays several emotional C-SPAN caller clips with Speaker Mike Johnson forced to respond to the audience, exposing the disconnect between MAGA talking points and the struggles of regular Americans.
  • Johnson dodges specific questions about Republican solutions for healthcare and the Affordable Care Act, offering platitudes about “ideas” and “doctor caucuses” but no concrete plans ([03:00]).
  • Callers consistently challenge Johnson’s repetitive claim that “illegal aliens” are draining Medicaid and question his refusal to support military pay during the shutdown.

Notable Quotes

• Caller: “My question is… what is y’all's plan to fix Obamacare?” ([02:52])
• MAGA Mike Johnson: “We have a lot of ideas, but… you can’t just rip Obamacare out at the roots… it’s very, very complicated. It affects about 18% of the US economy.” ([03:05])
• Ron Filipkowski: “Donald Trump and MAGA Mike talk about lowering prescription drug prices by 1600%, which is not a real number.” ([04:20])
• Emotional Caller: “I have two medically fragile children… if we see a lapse in pay, my children do not get to get the medication that’s needed for them to live their life because we live paycheck to paycheck. …I am begging you to pass this legislation.” ([06:36])
• MAGA Mike Johnson: “I am angry because of situations just like yours.” ([08:10])

Important Timestamps

• [02:45] – Callers grill Johnson on the lack of a Republican ACA fix.
• [05:17, 06:36, 08:55] – Emotional pleas from Republicans and military families.

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2. MAGA Policy: Empty Rhetoric, Real-World Consequences

Key Insights

• No Real Healthcare Plan: Despite claims, Republicans offer no new policy—just attack the ACA and tout “working families tax cuts” without clear detail.
• Military and Federal Worker Pain: Military families face loss of pay and healthcare as the shutdown drags on. Johnson is called out for “dereliction of duty.”
• Partisan Priorities Over Public Good: Trump’s threats to withhold crucial infrastructure funding, like New Jersey’s Gateway Tunnel, used as “mob boss” political retribution.

Notable Quotes

• Senator Andy Kim (@12:24):
  “They don’t govern… Speaker Johnson is giving House Republicans a paid vacation while families are struggling… honestly, it’s dereliction of duty in my opinion.”
• Senator Andy Kim (@13:50):
  “The fact that Trump is taking these mob boss tactics to punish the American people for political retribution—people find that disgusting.”

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3. The Gateway/Hudson Tunnel Showdown

Key Discussions

• Impact on New Jersey:
  Trump’s threat to halt funds for the Hudson Tunnel project (critical to the region's infrastructure and economy) has infuriated New Jerseyans and may cost Republicans the governor's race.
• Senator Kim describes how this tunnel “is a lifeline… if we lose that train line connecting the East Coast, it's going to cause so much economic damage.”

Notable Quote

• Senator Kim (@20:39):
  “It’s not the Holland Tunnel, but the Hudson tunnel… this is something we need because if we lose that train line, it’s going to raise prices for so many American families… Donald Trump thinking of people as just collateral damage in his own political retribution and mob boss tactics.”

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4. The Moment Feels Different

Underlying Themes

• Exhaustion with Excuses:
  The hosts highlight how Trump’s broken promises—lower grocery costs, tariff windfalls—are wearing thin even with his base.
• Ramp-Up of Authoritarianism:
  Trump and his advisors deploy the National Guard domestically, according to Senator Kim, with millions spent on show rather than substance.
• Trump’s Mental Fitness Questioned:
  The brothers mock Trump’s recent public confusion, including mistaking “habeas corpus” for a person ([18:18]).
• Real Power Players:
  Kim points to Stephen Miller and Russ Vought as the true architects of the administration’s agenda: “They are trying to reshape our country for decades to come… I refuse to let Stephen Miller, Russ Vought, and Donald Trump shape the America my kids are going to grow up in.” ([19:10])

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5. Memorable Quotes and Moments

• On Dereliction of Duty (Senator Kim, 12:24):
  “Speaker Johnson is giving House Republicans a paid vacation right now while she and her family are struggling to make ends meet… He’s just trying to protect his own speakership. The people can't stand that."
• On Mob-Boss Tactics (Senator Kim, 13:56):
  “People find that disgusting.”
• On Real Priorities (Host, 15:36):
  “It seemed that their only idea was like, let's own the libs… let's destroy them. And Trump's even taking that—‘they're the enemy from within. Let's send the military and go after areas that we consider to be liberal areas.’"
• On the Cost of Political Theater (Senator Kim, 16:55):
  “We are paying as a nation $1.3 million a day to have the National Guard go around DC... by the end of this year, it’s expected to have cost over $200 million.”
• On National Harm (Senator Kim, 14:44):
  “The fact that they are willing to do national harm to us, to our country—because he’s got a gripe with Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, with me and Cory Booker... It’s just a self-inflicted wound.”

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Conclusion

This episode forcefully critiques the current Republican House leadership and Trump’s approach to governance, leveraging emotional testimony from everyday Americans and analysis from Senator Andy Kim. The hosts underscore the seriousness of this political moment: a government being run from the extremes, policy by vengeance and spectacle, and a rising grassroots fury—including from former Republican loyalists—at what they see as a betrayal of the public good.

Essential Listen For:
Anyone needing a clear, impassioned breakdown of the 2025 shutdown drama, MAGA politics' practical effects, and why even “the base” is starting to rebel.

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Transcript

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[Ron Filipkowski]

Data 182025 Visit T mobile.com Republican Speaker Maga Mike Johnson just got a rude awakening and whatever staffer convinced him to go on C Span and listen to what the actual people think about his conduct and behavior. Well those staffers need to get a raise. So Maga Mike Johnson was on C Span and he heard how people feel about Donald Trump and his government shutdown as he he and Donald Trump are ripping away the Affordable Care act subsidies for tens of millions of Americans and how he and Donald Trump are continuing just to destroy the country and gaslight us all at the same time. So I want to show you MAGA Mike sitting there as he's being told outside of his bubble what people are really experiencing. There are a number of examples that I want to show you. First clip that you probably haven't seen anywhere else. Maga Mike is asked I think the most simple question, okay, Maga Mike, how are you actually going to fix Obamacare? You all say you don't like the Affordable Care act, you don't like the subsidies, you don't like this, you don't like that.

[Podcast Host]

What do you like?

[Ron Filipkowski]

What is your plan? And Maga Mike won't be able to answer that. Here, play this clip.

[Caller 1]

So and also want to know what is Yalls plan to fix the Obamacare.

[MAGA Mike Johnson]

Great questions. There's a lot of improvements that are needed. Obamacare did not do what was promised. Everybody can acknowledge that. As I mentioned, premiums are up 60% since it became law in 2010. And you have less access to care and in some parts of the country, lower quality of care. So we got to fix that. Republicans are the party that have the ideas to do that. We have a doctor's caucus inside the Republican conference that works around the clock putting together these ideas, talking to stakeholders and other providers around the country. We have a lot of ideas to fix it. Some people say, why can't you just rip Obamacare out at the roots and start over? It's very, very complicated. It affects about 18% of the US economy, health care, but there's lots of areas of improvement. We have not. This is not a talking point for us. We've demonstrated it in the one big beautiful bill, the working families tax cuts. We added lots of provisions, for example, to reform Medicaid. It was being drained. The resources there are intended for US Citizens that are in a small number of categories. The disabled, the elderly, young, pregnant women in difficult situations, et cetera. But what was happening is you had illegal aliens draining the resources who are not allowed to do it under law. And you had young, able bodied men, for example, without dependents, who were riding the wagon. We reformed that in our bill. We reduced the cost. And the Congressional Budget Office, the CBO just analyzed in late August, August 25th. In the report, they said it's going to have the desired effect.

[Ron Filipkowski]

And again, as William Melvin noted, the Affordable Care act became law over 5,000 days ago. Since that time, Donald Trump has not put forward a plan. Instead, Donald Trump and MAGA Mike talk about lowering prescription drug prices by 1600%, which is not a real number. Next up, MAGA Mike Johnson here is from another C Span caller. And the caller says, you know, you're out there saying that people are smiling as troops are heading into the cities, blue states, blue cities. People aren't smiling. We what are you talking about? What a dystopian and idiotic thing to even Say, and this is, I think so important for MAGA Mike to just be there and hear. This is what the Midas mighty are saying. This is what Americans are saying. I understand Donald Trump's bubble and their talking points. People love this. People don't love ice ripping people off the streets and putting them into concentration camps. Here, let's play this clip.

[Caller 2]

Hi, I just wanna start by saying, hearing you say that everyone is smil in the, in the cities where troops our National Guard has been rolled into feels dystopian and insane to hear you say that, watching the response to this. But that's not actually my question. My question, I just needed to say that while hearing you talk about this, my question is, if Republicans and Democrats can agree to a one year extension to the ACA subsidies, removing this sort of talking point of illegal immigrants draining our resources as you sit here and lie about this, would you support that bill and bring it to a vote on the House floor? This is a big question that I have for you. Thank you.

[MAGA Mike Johnson]

Yeah, well, not lying. I'm telling you the truth. And you go look at all the documents yourself. Don't look at Republican paperwork, look at the Congressional.

[Ron Filipkowski]

Next up, you have MAGA Mike saying he's asked. You may have heard this one before, but the caller, very powerful, left me almost in tears. Where the caller says, I'm a Republican and what y' all are doing with health care and also with veterans and with just people in general like y' all are torturing us. Stop it. Cut it out. What are you going to do for us? Listen to this caller. Let's play it.

[Caller 3]

Hi, Mr. Johnson. So my question or comments are related to what you said yesterday about not being open to pass any legislation to ensure that military gets paid. I'm sure you can tell by my voice I'm very shaky. Just want you to hear a little bit about my family. I have two medically fragile children. I have a husband who actively serves this country. He suffers from PTSD from his two chores in Afghanistan. If we see a lapse in pay come the 15th, my children do not get to get the medication that's needed for them to live their life because we live paycheck to paycheck. I heard you earlier say that you side with President Trump on anything that he says. Well, I just read an article this morning that said he absolutely, wholeheartedly believes that there needs to be legislation put in so that we do not miss a paycheck. You have the power to do that. And as a Republican, I'm very disappointed in my party and I'm very disappointed in you because you do have the power to call the House back. You did that or you refused to do that just for a show. I am begging you to pass this legislation. My kids could not die. We don't have the credit because of the medical bills that I have to pay regularly. You could stop this and you could be the one that could say military is getting paid. And I think that it is awful. And the audacity of someone who makes six figures a year to do this to military families is insane.

[MAGA Mike Johnson]

All right, Samantha. Samantha, I'm so sorry to hear about your situation. The reason I've been so angry this week and they've been calling me out on media. Johnson's angry. I am angry because of situations just like your.

[Ron Filipkowski]

And then next AC Span caller says to MAGA Mike Johnson. All right, well, we're hearing you all are doing peace in Gaza. Who knows what you're whether whether with what you're telling us is true to begin with. But when are you going to care about America? When are you going to care about what's going on here where you're sending troops against American citizens and against people living in America? When are you going to care? Isn't that what you meant by America first or America first means bailout Argentina and always help Israel over focusing on America. What is your plan? You play this clip.

[Caller 2]

Hi, I just want to start by saying, hearing you say that everyone is smiling in the cities where troops our national guard has been rolled into feels dystopian and insane. To hear you say that, watching the response to this. But that's not actually my question. My question, I just needed to say that while hearing you talk about this, my question is if Republicans and Democrats can agree to a one year extension to the ACA subsidies, removing this sort of talking point of illegal immigrants draining our resources. As you sit here and lie about this, would you support that bill and bring it to a vote on the House floor? This is a big question that I have for you. Thank you.

[MAGA Mike Johnson]

Yeah, well, not lying. I'm telling you the truth. And you go look at all the documents yourself. Don't look at Republican paperwork. Look at the Congressional Budget Office who said that we had at least 1.4 million illegal aliens draining the resources from Medicaid, which is why he put their forms in law and got it signed July 4th, Chuck Schumer and Hakeem Jeffries counter proposal for the CR and then.

[Ron Filipkowski]

This next caller goes, mega Mike, have you ever voted against Anything that Donald Trump supported. Have you ever taken your own opinion on any issue at all? And Maggie, Mike's like, no, why would.

[Podcast Host]

I ever do that?

[Ron Filipkowski]

Here, play this clip.

[Caller 1]

Yes. Good morning. Just wanted to ask the speaker a couple of questions. Have you ever voted against anything that Trump set forth as far as policy? That's one question. The other is what is going on with the swearing in of the congresswoman who will make the 218 vote? I noticed that you were speaking in the hall yesterday with someone regarding the idea that, you know, maybe she would make the 218th vote. That would open up the vote for the Epstein files to be released. This is not something that we are going to forget about. This is serious business. The other thing is that Trump is a dictator. So it doesn't matter what Johnson does or what the guy over in the Senate does. All the things that has to happen is if Trump says open the government, it will be open tomorrow. We have to understand that. And they keep talking about we putting names out there about Trump being the dictator and this and that. You just called and he continues to call.

[Senator Andy Kim]

All right, Alexander.

[Podcast Host]

And he's talking about Representative Adelito Grijalva.

[Senator Andy Kim]

Being not being sworn in.

[MAGA Mike Johnson]

Yeah, Alexander gave me a lot to answer there. Let me go real quickly. I typically vote with President Trump. I do because that's my party and I lead my party in the House. And our agenda is working for the American people. You can make an argument we had the most productive, successful opening of a Congress and administration in history. The one big beautiful bill was a massive achievement for the American.

[Podcast Host]

Now I want to bring new in New Jersey, Senator Andy Kim. Senator Kim, it's great to see you. You know, you see those clips right there. And the American people understand what's going on with this government shutdown. They recognize that Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans control all branches of government. They recognize that they have no plan when it comes to health care. They recognize how important it is to protect Americans health there, to extend the Affordable Care act subsidies and all of these lies that usually have worked before for Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans, blaming immigrants or transgender people or whatever. It's not working this time. What do you make of this moment, Senator?

[Senator Andy Kim]

Well, right now there's a giant spotlight on the Republicans and how they govern and what we realize and what the American people see is that they don't govern, that they are as the speak as the caller said to Speaker Johnson. I mean, this was a woman who's a Republican but said like she knows that Speaker Johnson is giving House Republicans a paid vacation right now while she and her family are struggling to make ends meet, worried about getting their next paycheck. And they find it offensive because it is. I mean, they are pissed off, rightfully so, because Speaker Johnson is having, you know, honestly, it's dereliction of duty, in my opinion. The fact that he is putting his own job ahead of the job of, you know, hundreds of thousands of federal workers, millions of our troops and others. He's just only trying to protect his own speakership, his own job, and the people can't stand that. And the other thing that I'll just share is that in New Jersey, for instance, what I keep hearing from people there is there are a lot of people, including a lot of Republicans, that are pissed off at Trump for saying that he's gonna withhold funding to our Gateway Tunnel project, something that's supposed to transform our state in terms of the ability for hundreds of thousands to be able to commute into New York City, to be able to revitalize our economy. And the fact that Trump is taking these mob boss tactics to punish the American people for political retribution. People find that disgusting.

[Podcast Host]

During that bizarre Cabinet meeting he held on Thursday, you know, it was just very strange yet again, where he seemed to, like, enjoy saying that he was going after Democrat programs. He's like, like, like, I'm coming. He literally said, I'm coming after the Democrat programs. This is what you did. This is an opportunity for me.

[MAGA Mike Johnson]

Yeah.

[Podcast Host]

And these are programs that are not Democrat programs. These are American programs. I mean, Republicans live in New Jersey also, and they use tunnels and they want less traffic, and they work in the city. And it's just a. It's a very strange concept to hear a president of the United States behave like this. But it seems the shutdown is showing a spotlight like we've never seen before.

[Senator Andy Kim]

Yeah, that's right. And look, one of those Republicans that lives in New Jersey happens to be Secretary Duffy, Transportation Secretary. And in his confirmation hearing, the first question I asked him is, is the Gateway Tunnel project of national importance? And he said, yes, absolutely. This is important for our nation's economy. That if the train line on the Northeast Corridor breaks down because of a problem with the tunnel, that's going to cause huge economic repercussion to our entire nation. So the fact that they are willing to do national harm to us, to our country, because again, he's got a gripe with Chuck Schumer, Hakeem Jeffries, with me and Cory Booker, like, we get it? But again, the American people can't stand that. And it's just like, you know, just a self inflicted wound. It's like just self sabotage, honestly, you.

[Podcast Host]

Know, it seemed that their only idea was like, let's own the libs, let's mock liberal people and let's just, let's destroy them. And Trump's even taking that they're the enemy from within. Let's send the military and go after areas that we consider to be liberal areas, whatever that means. And meanwhile, you have the American people saying, can't afford my groceries right now. You, you promised me, Donald, that this was going to be cheaper. And it's not helping me when you say it's cheaper and it's not cheaper when you say you brought in $17 trillion. Well, if you really did that, shouldn't that be helping everybody? Where's our dividend checks that you promised? Where is our Doge checks and our tariff checks and all of the things that you said, you know, and we don't want to hear two more weeks, two more weeks. It just feels like, you know, whether it's like a Bernie Madoff or people who have been involved in the Ponzi schemes, at the end, people keep saying, all right, I want my money now. Let's, let's go. And, you know, they're trying the same all, I'm trying to get you your money. But the migrants. Stop with the migrants. This time I need it. That seems to be the moment we're in. It feels different. It feels different, Senator.

[Senator Andy Kim]

It does. And I think, because the American people are wise enough to this and they're seeing it. I mean, look, you know, whether it's the farmers that got screwed over because of Trump and his tariffs and, you know, him going after and antagonize all these different allies and partners around the world. And we see that, you know, where they're doing, they're taking that tariff money, they're plowing it right into, you know, getting Blackhawk helicopters for ice, you know, flying over Chicago. I was actually just, I just visited with the national guard in D.C. to get a sense of what's going on there. We are paying as a nation $1.3 million a day to have the National Guard go around D.C. and what are they doing? They're spreading around mulch, they're trimming trees. I kid you not. They literally gave me statistics around me. Trash bags they lifted up. Is that really the best use of our money? By the end of this year, it's expected to have cost over $200 million to have these National Guard in D.C. there's much better use to be able to help families, be able to afford their health care, be able to afford housing and other things like that, rather than just putting on a show for Donald Trump to pretend like, you know, he's, you know, he's, he's the commander in chief, able to just put the US Military on the ground in our own streets. Like he said to the generals, using American cities as a training ground.

[Podcast Host]

Also, just like weird moments where I'm watching him and I know he doesn't make sense, but like, I'm watching him and I'm thinking to myself, like, just in general, like, what. What the hell is this guy even talk? What's he legitimately even like? So what's coming out of his mouth, you know, and the, the thoughts aren't coherent. He was asked a question about suspending habeas corpus, and he believed that habeas corpus was a person. He said, who? Who's that?

[Ron Filipkowski]

Who's who?

[Podcast Host]

Who's that? You know, and how long. When I spoke to Senator Gallego, he was like, even when Donald Trump's here in D.C. this is what Gallego said to me. He goes, he's not here. Like, you know, and it just is. He says something and then the Republicans try to. Then he says another thing. It's just a mess. It's not leadership. And the American people see it, even if corporate news doesn't want to talk to about it. What do you make of that?

[Senator Andy Kim]

Yeah, look, what I can tell you from my vantage point, seeing how this has unfolded. You know, there are two people running this government which are. Is Russell Vogt, the OMB director, who's, who's pushing his dangerous agenda, you all over creating so much of the mass firings and the destruction of our government, as well as Stephen Miller, who needs no introduction because of just the sheer amount of danger that he poses to our nation, pushing such an extreme agenda and is literally running point from his office at the White House in terms of the, these ICE raids and National Guard efforts. Those are the two that are in charge. And everybody here at the US Senate, they know that, that that's who's running our government. Donald Trump. You know, he'll, you know, give some talking points and a press conference here and there. But, you know, this is what I hope the American people see is that our government is run by some of the most extreme radicals that I've ever seen during my time in government. They are trying to reshape our country not just for the next three years, but for decades to come. And I'm a father of an 8 year old and a 10 year old. And I refuse to let Stephen Miller Russell vote and Donald Trump shape the America that my kids are gonna grow up in.

[Podcast Host]

Before we go, we talked a little bit about the cancellation of the Holland Tunnel, money going there. Can you describe, I mean, just being from New Jersey, what a big deal this is and how venomous and vicious this really is and what it means in terms of just our country in general?

[Senator Andy Kim]

Yeah, absolutely. So it's not the Holland Tunnel, but it's a Hudson tunnel. It's meant to double the number of train lines we have. We have this tunnel that is over 100 years old. Very much could pose a huge transportation challenge if it falls apart and continues to crumble. This is something that we need because if we lose that train line connecting the east coast, it's going to cause so much economic damage. It's going to raise prices for so many American families with goods being transported around. It's going to cause enormous disruption. And for my state, it's a lifeline. It is necessary for deal to people have commute into New York City. You know, the challenges we faced last summer with Penn Station having the problem with New Jersey transit having problems and tens of thousands of people getting stuck at Penn Station. This is the number one transportation infrastructure in the entire region. And it's something that unifies everybody in the state of New Jersey. And I'll be honest with you, the moment that Donald Trump said he was gonna hold back on that funding, I think is a moment that Donald Trump lost the governor's race for the Republicans in New Jersey as we have a race coming up in just a few weeks because people again, they don't like that. They don't like the idea that Donald Trump is just actually trying to harm the American people. Think of the American people as just collateral damage in his own political retribution and mob boss tactics. So, you know, that's sort of the latest dynamic that we're seeing in New Jersey.

[Podcast Host]

Senator Kim, thanks for joining us as always. We hope you come back.

[Senator Andy Kim]

Thank you so much.

[Podcast Host]

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