Survivor Reveals All to Meidas on Epstein Cover Up!!

Summary

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The MeidasTouch Podcast

Episode Title: Survivor Reveals All to Meidas on Epstein Cover Up!!
Date: February 12, 2026
Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas
Special Guest: Hallie Robson

Episode Overview

In this powerful episode, the MeidasTouch brothers host Hallie Robson, a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein’s sex trafficking ring, for a raw and courageous discussion about her experience, the cover-up efforts by public officials and law enforcement, the ongoing trauma faced by survivors, and the U.S. government’s failure to deliver justice or transparency. The podcast exposes the tactics used to silence and endanger survivors, including intentional leaks of sensitive information, and highlights how some politicians publicly promise accountability while privately perpetuating a cover-up. Hallie’s frank testimony gives voice to survivors’ pain, resilience, and determination.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Immediate Reactions to Recent Developments

• The Pam Bondi Hearings
  • Host and Hallie express disgust at Pam Bondi’s combative, disrespectful handling of a congressional hearing related to the Epstein case.
  • Hallie describes watching the proceedings as “appalling,” with Bondi “antagonizing the situation” and refusing to address pressing questions about redacted files, survivor privacy, and ongoing cover-ups.

    "It was just her being combative and uncooperative and it was really disrespectful and hard to watch." — Hallie Robson (08:03)

2. Retaliation and Leakage of Survivor Info

• Hallie details a deliberate campaign of retribution against Epstein survivors, including leaking naked abuse photos, social security numbers, home addresses, and more:

  “If you have no boundary to release a photo of a child naked, and you’re the government, I mean...this is why we feel it’s deliberate." — Hallie Robson (11:44)

• She states survivors feel actively endangered and re-traumatized by the DOJ and authorities.

3. Hallie’s Story: From Grooming to Survival

• Early Abuse and Entrapment
  • Hallie was first raped at 15 by a 22-year-old. That left her vulnerable, and she sought escape from West Palm Beach, FL, only to be recruited into Epstein’s circle at 16:

    “I thought I was walking into somebody that was going to help me...looking back in hindsight...you find the little red flags you just completely missed as a child.” (15:26)

• Epstein’s Methods
  • Vivid details of being led to Epstein, enduring abuse, and being threatened into recruiting peers under duress.

    "He just looked up at me and said, listen, you’re gonna bring me a friend to come over and massage me, or I’m gonna sexually assault you." (17:38)

  • Hallie depicts a climate of pervasive, orchestrated victimization and intimidation lasting years.
• Aftermath: Loss and Stigma
  • After cutting ties with Epstein at 18, Hallie suffered further trauma: her boyfriend was murdered in 2006 – the same week Epstein first hit national headlines.

    "I never really thought that Jeffrey could do something like that or that it would be retribution for me leaving. But... with everything that's in the files, I can't help but to beg the question..." (21:10)

  • Concurrently, Hallie endured a 17-year smear campaign in media and law enforcement, allegedly funded by Epstein’s attorneys via tabloid outlets like TMZ.

4. Law Enforcement, Smear Campaigns, and Acosta’s “Deal”

• Systemic Failures and Smears
  • Hallie and other victims gave detailed, consistent abuse statements to police, only to see their experiences ignored or twisted — authorities focused on their recruiting activities as children, not their trauma.

    "The detectives aren’t acknowledging that we were abused. They're only acknowledging that we brought other girls to his house, not realizing that we were children..." (25:06)

• Palm Beach & Federal Level Breakdown
  • Local police were stonewalled or co-opted when the FBI got involved, resulting in whitewashed grand jury proceedings.

    "40 victims...never made it to the grand jury. Only four victims, I believe, were presented...If all 40 victims were presented, we would have had a much different outcome." (29:05)

• Alex Acosta’s Leniency
  • Hallie and her lawyer were shocked when Epstein received only a 13-month sentence and “work release,” despite the scale and severity of the offenses.

5. Trying to Heal, Only to Be Dragged Back

• Hallie’s Efforts to Move On
  • She attempted to rebuild her life, focusing on education and starting a family as media attention faded (2010–2014).
• The Netflix Documentary (“Filthy Rich”)
  • Reengaged by the 2018 documentary, Hallie decided to break her silence, having “nothing to lose and nothing to gain,” as Epstein was rearrested in NY.

6. Epstein’s Death & Ghislaine Maxwell’s Fallout

• Shocking Death & Conspiracy
  • Hallie learned of Epstein’s death from her sister’s text and felt a whirlpool of emotion, disbelief, and anger, stating:

    “He thought he was God, and didn’t think he was ever going to get caught...it’s hard for me to think that they would ever feel guilty or ashamed enough to want to kill themselves. I just don’t believe it. I think he was murdered.” (35:49)

  • She references bizarre details in the files: a press release drafted before his death, camera failures, and suspicious bunkmate transfers.
• Ghislaine Maxwell’s Case
  • While Hallie never had direct contact with Maxwell, she expresses anger at her “VIP treatment,” relocation to an easy prison, and rumors of clemency.

    "She was a trafficker and a monster...I don't understand how they could just move her." (40:52)

7. Political Betrayal and Cover-Up Across Parties

• Voting and Disappointment
  • Hallie reveals she voted for Trump in 2016 due to the Clintons’ presence in Epstein files, abstained in 2020, then voted again for Trump in 2024 on his explicit promise to release the files.
  • She and other survivors felt deeply betrayed when Trump and his circle not only failed to deliver, but actively suppressed transparency, bullied supporters of reform, and twisted public messaging.

    “He campaigned, his entire administration campaigned on releasing the Epstein files and being transparent. And not just me, a lot of the survivors...voted for him based on...transparency. ...I was done at that point with the entire administration." (43:38)

• Handling of Whistleblowers and Allies
  • Hallie recounts bullying and threats against politicians (Marjorie Taylor Greene, Lauren Boebert, Nancy Mace) who sided with survivors or signed on to the Transparency Act.
• Gaslighting Survivors
  • Trump’s repeated public statements dismissing survivor claims (“hoax... fully vindicated... move on”) deepen the wound:

    "What matters to me is the fact that you knew, you had a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. You clearly knew...what he was doing and what he liked to do. That was not a secret..." (45:53)

• Failure of Both Major Parties
  • Hallie and hosts stress that “protecting children” is claimed as a bedrock value of the GOP, yet their actions show otherwise.

    “I’m not sure what children you’re protecting, because it’s definitely not us.” (49:15)

8. Survivor Community and Ongoing Challenges

• Finding Strength Together
  • Hallie discusses the crucial role of therapy and survivor group counseling in Florida, providing a vital support network.

    "It's wonderful being able to connect with other survivors locally...being able to support and check in on each other..." (51:11)

• Living With Retraumatization
  • The continual dismissals and public minimization by leaders and the legal system are deeply hurtful, causing lasting alienation and fear.

    "It's a sad time in the world when the leader of the free world will not even acknowledge you or your presence or your trauma..." (53:18)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On systemic cover-up:
  “This is what feels like retribution for going against the system and being vocal. We're just being met with resistance and disrespect.”
  — Hallie Robson (09:54)
• On survivors’ safety:
  "These girls, their safety is now jeopardized."
  — Hallie Robson (11:44)
• On betrayal by leaders:
  “I am so beyond disgusted, I couldn’t even articulate what I was seeing in real time.”
  — Hallie Robson (43:38)
• On being gaslit:
  “It’s retraumatizing...when you’re getting called a hoax or a liar...it's not a hoax. I mean, there’s court documents...grand jury documents...”
  — Hallie Robson (53:18)
• On defiance and hope:
  “You can’t bully me. ...I've already survived. And I'll survive this administration, too. And best of luck.”
  — Hallie Robson (56:12)

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Important Timestamps

• [08:03] Hallie shares her reaction to Pam Bondi’s congressional testimony.
• [11:44] Details of what personal and abuse-related information was leaked about survivors.
• [15:26–19:57] Hallie’s account of being recruited and abused by Epstein.
• [21:10] Aftermath: boyfriend’s murder, media smear campaigns, and alleged leaks.
• [25:06 – 29:05] Interaction with local police, breakdown of law enforcement, and Acosta’s lenient deal with Epstein.
• [35:49] Hallie’s reaction to hearing of Epstein’s death and her doubts about the “suicide” narrative.
• [40:52] Thoughts on Maxwell’s conviction and alleged special treatment.
• [43:38] Betrayal by politicians, especially on campaign promises of transparency.
• [51:11] The importance of survivor community support.
• [53:18] Hallie explains the personal and communal impact of continued retraumatization and disbelief from leaders.
• [56:12] Hallie delivers a defiant message of resilience and resolve.

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Final Thoughts & Closing Message

The episode is a searing indictment of institutional failures and political duplicity in the aftermath of Epstein’s crimes. Hallie’s unwavering testimony exposes not just the crimes but the enduring, systemic cover-up — and the further abuse imposed on survivors by those sworn to protect them. Despite pervasive retraumatization, Hallie and her community of survivors respond with solidarity and resolve:

“I am not going to cave, bend or fall back just because it makes you uncomfortable. ...I've already lived through the most horrific things that anybody can go through...And I'll survive this administration, too.” — Hallie Robson (56:12)

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Content Warning: This episode contains frank and explicit discussion of sexual violence, child exploitation, and trauma.

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I think it is critical that at the Midas Touch Network we continue to tell the stories of these survivors of Epstein, of this horrible child sex trafficking ring that continues to be covered up by the Trump regime. Especially after we saw Attorney General Pam Bondi testify yesterday before the House Judiciary Committee and it was one of the most, if not the most disgraceful types of testimony I've ever seen or frankly could fathom. She was asked a lot of very serious questions just on a partisan basis. We also saw Republican from Kentucky Thomas Massie ask Pam Bondi a number of very serious questions and she would try to answer with oh well, you've got derangement syndrome and you're a failed Politician and we're real serious questions. Why were you outing the names of survivors when you had one job to protect the survivors? Why are you continuing to hide and shield and redact the name of co conspirators and these powerful men who were involved in this sex trafficking ring? Why are you still withholding millions of documents? There were a group of survivors there, there were survivors watching across the country as well. And to see what Pam Bondi was doing. What I've just been hearing is it's just further re traumatization and what she did there just made things even worse. Now, one of the survivors who you probably have seen watching the Midas Touch network and clips that we've shown because she's been very outspoken front and center, a real leader in the survivor community is somebody by the name of Hallie Robson. Now, Hallie Robson is someone who was sexually assaulted by Epstein from the years of 2002 to 2004 when she was in Epstein's orbit. We'll talk about what went down. She is somebody who has reclaimed her power from this horrific sex trafficking ring as a survivor to speak out, somebody who is experiencing this retraumatization by this DOJ over and over again. And we have her here today to share her story with her own words, not just the clips, but to go through this entire ordeal and to shed light on what took place and also why it's just so nefarious what's taking place right now. Let's bring in Hallie Robson. Halley, it's great to, it's great to see you. I wish under better circumstances, of course, this is your life now. And when Trump and Pam Bondi and Caroline Levitt say we just want to move on from this, that's not a luxury that you have to just move on from this. And so this part, the sexual assault, we're going to talk, we're going to talk about how you got into his orbit, what happened there. I want to start this interview though, by just getting your reaction, obviously to what you saw with Pam Bondi, what you witnessed as you observed that he hearing you weren't there, you watched it on tv. What was your observation?

[Hallie Robson]

I mean, I was appalled. I felt like it was definitely her antagonizing a situation. I mean, everybody knows that Trump's name is mentioned in those files alongside with plenty of other elites and politicians and government officials. It's not a secret anymore. And honestly, this is one of the reasons why I didn't want to partake in going to Washington for this specific event. Part of it was because I knew this was going to be what she does. Just like I knew Ghislaine was going to plead the Fifth. I knew that this was just going to be a whole show of chaos and deflection. And the entire time, anything that was asked about Jeffrey Trump, anything that was even related to the files, it was just her being combative and uncooperative and it was really disrespectful and hard to watch.

[Interviewer/Host]

And her behavior there compounded on, as you mentioned, Ghislaine invoking her fifth Amendment even though she spoke with Todd Blanche, Trump's former criminal defense attorney. Now she claims, well, even though I've exhausted all of my appeals, but she pretends she didn't. I've got a habeas petition. As though people are stupid and don't realize that technically every prisoner has the right to file a habeas petition. But just because you're filing a frivolous habeas petition doesn't mean that that's an appeal. But you set that you've experienced the DOJ leaking personal identifying information and concealing information about the perpetrators and the co conspirators while harming the survivor community. Before we go back in time right now, just what's your, what's going through your mind? What's your perspective of just where we are right now, mid February, based on everything that's happened?

[Hallie Robson]

I'm not really, I'm not really surprised. I mean, I knew that we were going to be met with resistance and retribution. I did not expect for naked photos of some of the underage girls like myself to go and be public. And I certainly didn't expect Social Security numbers and addresses and phone numbers to go public. I mean, I've been very, very vocal on want transparency. And for me, I was never protected in this investigation from the day that I cooperated. So I wasn't expecting to be redacted at this point, which I was totally vocal and fine with. But I'm hurting for my, my, my colleagues and my other survivor friends because it's an act of war when you do this. This is what feels like retribution for going against the system and being, and being vocal and it's, we're just being met with, with resistance and disrespect.

[Interviewer/Host]

And I think people out there hear, oh, information about the survivors has been leaked and that, I don't want to say it falls flat because that's obviously serious. But I like to use very concrete specifics so people know it's not just Identifiers, as you say, they're naked photos of underage girls. These are personal identifying information that relates to sexual assault. So can you, before we go back in time a little bit, what are you aware of, whether it's your own information or those of other survivors that you're aware of in the specifics of what's been out there that's really been causing a lot of trauma?

[Hallie Robson]

Well, I just said it. It's the naked photos or, you know, abuse photos, really, let's call it what it is. It's the child abuse photos that were released and leaked, that was made public that really caused a lot of heartbreak. And just everyone was so scared because if. If you have no boundary to release a photo of a child naked, and you're the government, I mean, it's just. This is why we feel it's deliberate. So there were definitely photos that were leaked of underage children. Again, I know a couple of the survivor girls, you know, they were saying how they found their address and phone numbers that were released of, I think, like, several girls, a handful, actually. And IDs, identification cards, like, you know, those were released. And so when we talk about personal information, you know, you got to think of safety here, releasing, you know, addresses and phone numbers and Social Security of victims and survivors of a heinous crime. You know, these girls, their safety is now jeopardized.

[Interviewer/Host]

You are in Epstein's orbit from 2002 to 2004. We're going to get into some difficult topics to talk about, but first, sexually assaulted at the age of 16. Do I have that correct about that?

[Hallie Robson]

I was. I was raped at 15. He was 22. That's how I lost my virginity. And that was my first experience with a man in my entire life. So that set the tone, I think, for the future. And that following year, at 16, I was recruited. And that's when I met Jeffrey.

[Interviewer/Host]

And I think that aspect of it is important. I used to, when I was a litigator and I represented survivors in cases like this, often my clients had a background where they were sexually assaulted by an adult, and that was in their background, which is often used against them in the litigation to try to launch attacks on their claims. And the veracity of it. And, oh, this happened here, and it happened. You expect us to. That's what I'd get a lot from the defense when I would be representing survivors. But what is known is that these predators out there, they are looking for people who had a background, oftentimes where they were victimized before and so there are photos of you that we have, I think, right around the age of when you met Epstein. And it's you playing football. It's you at high school in the West Palm Beach High School area, the Royal Palm Beach High. Talk to us about how from the incident you talked about at the age of 15 with another person, you get into the orbit, and you're dragged into this orbit of this monster, this predator who's out there specifically trying to target people with your background, high school, 15, 16, previously victimized by another, raped by another person. How did that happen?

[Hallie Robson]

Well, ironically, I. When I met Jeffrey, I was trying to escape the rape. When I met Jeffrey, I wanted to leave West Palm Beach. I wanted to get out. And so when I was recruited by Tony Figueroa and another classmate to go to Jeffrey Epstein's house, I thought I was walking into somebody that was going to be able to help me. And it's ironic, looking back on it now. In hindsight, when you're an adult, you. You find the little red flags that you just completely missed as a child. But I met Jeffrey and Tony Figueroa and I went to his house, and him and the other young girl told me that Jeffrey could help me. And he was looking for a massage for $200. And when I entered the side, you know, kitchen door and went upstairs, his assistant brought me upstairs. It was not a massage. It turned into an hour of me being sexually abused by Jeffrey. And it was just the most insane experience looking back on it. I am so thankful I got out of there. While I was in the room with him, he, you know, did things to me. He made me watch him do things to himself. He. I remember grabbing me so hard at 16 on. On my backside that it, like, shoved me into the massage table, like, as if he was trying to pull me closer. And then he brought out some inappropriate sex toys. And that's kind of when I was like, what is this? Like, I. I never experienced that before. And it was. It was terrifying. I. I know I'm not doing this. I'm sorry. I'm. I'm not comfortable with that. And I wanted to leave so bad. And I just remembering thinking to myself, if I run for the door, is it locked? And if I scream, is this room soundproof? Because all of the adults are downstairs right now, and I'm upstairs with him alone. And it was a shower and a steam room and a bathroom inside the master bedroom. And I was just terrified. And he made me watch him finish and was so disappointed. After he Finished himself. He was so disappointed. And he just looked up at me and he said, listen, you're gonna bring me a friend to come over and massage me, or I'm gonna sexually assault you. And at that point, I had already been raped. I was terrified. I had no idea what was going on. At that point, I just wanted to get out. So I made a decision based off survival mode and agreed to bring a friend. And that's how it started. And I was in his orbit for two years. His assistant would call me every day. She would call me, asking, you know, Jeffrey wants you to come over with a friend. And no matter how hard I tried to ignore the calls and the text messages, it was consistently every day. And it took me two years. And when I turned 18, I did not feel good. I didn't want to deal with him anymore, and I was scared to leave. I didn't know what to do. And I just kept thinking to myself, this might be my opportunity to move out of West Palm beach and get away from not just my rapist, but now Jeffrey. And so I did. I. Shortly after I left Jeffrey, I moved to Orlando. And when I left Jeffrey, and this is something that I am. And one of the reasons why I have been vocal on the Transparency act is when I left Jeffrey Epstein.

[Narrator/Host]

He.

[Hallie Robson]

Called my house and spoke to my dad. And unfortunately, my dad passed away from glioblastoma December. So I couldn't even have a conversation with him at that time about Jeffrey calling the house, because my dad at that point had already lost his memory and was struggling with his motor skills. When I left Jeffrey and moved to Orlando, I started stripping. I started dancing. And it was, you know, a way for me to get control back over my life and for me to just be free. And I started dancing up in Orlando, and I met someone, and I ended up dating this person and falling in love with them. And he was murdered.

[Interviewer/Host]

I'm so sorry. And when. Around what time did that take place?

[Hallie Robson]

2006. June 22, 2006. It was a Thursday. And I never really thought that Jeffrey could do something like that or that it would be retribution for me leaving. And I knew. I had a feeling that there was going to be some point in my life where I was going to have to, like, that something was going to come back. You know, like, either he was going to come back or somehow he was going to find me. But I never ever in my entire life thought that that would be something I would make a connection with. But as I'm seeing all these Files release and the malevolence and evil that's in it beyond just the sexual abuse. I can't help but to beg the question of, am I. Am I like, overthinking everything? Is that a crazy thought to have with everything that's in the files? And it kind of brings in that conspiracy theory that I've tried to not connect. And so simultaneously, the same week that my boyfriend was murdered is the same week that everything hit the media with Jeffrey. And so I lost my boyfriend. Everything hit the media, and then I was dragged through the mud. I was not protected by the police department, even though I was with Jeffrey at 16. All of my personal information was leaked to the police department and the press. I had to go through 17 years worth of a smear campaign, like a horrific smear campaign by Jeffrey's attorneys, by Jeffrey himself. And now come to find out TMZ in the files was paid $10,000 a month to run smear campaigns on survivors. And I had to go through all of this at one time in my life. It happened within days of each other. And I don't know how I survived. I don't know how I was able to keep a level head and keep a job and be a mom. But it's been horrific, leading all the way up till today. And what the DOJ is dragging us through and what our government is re traumatizing us for, it's literally being sexually assaulted all over again.

[Interviewer/Host]

Did they ever find who was the murderer of your boyfriend at that time? Or has that always remained a cold case, if you will?

[Hallie Robson]

It's a cold case.

[Interviewer/Host]

And after that took place, you referenced the first time Epstein was arrested, and that was arising out of information that was obtained. I think it started off as a fight in a high school between girls who were talking to each other or fighting with each other and saying, you're a prostitute, and you're a prostitute. And then the school overheard it, and they found that one of the girls had $300. And that started the beginning of looking into it, but then it was kind of covered up by local police. Then there was some, I think, important reporting that was taking place. And so that the first time around when you're being smeared, that's in 2006, 2007, right around that period, because your name. Talk to us about that period. And then let's fast forward to the more recent arrest before he died in August of 2019.

[Hallie Robson]

So one of the girls that went with me to Jeffrey's house, she allegedly got into a fight at High school. In high school, she got into a fist fight, I suppose, and her mother was called down to the office. And there was a whole argument and there was a whole discrepancy about where the money came from. And I think she finally, honestly told her mom what that I had brought in her to Jeffries. And so that was the starting. Her stepmother was allegedly the one that called the police. And so that's where the investigation started. And that's where I was brought in for questioning, which is wild, because if you see the video of the police questioning me, and there's also videos of the police questioning the other girls, the other victims, you can clearly hear that we tell them, well, we were sexually abused or this is what happened, or with Jeffrey. And all of us had very similar stories of abuse. It was very consistent. All of our stories were very consistent with each other. And for whatever reason, the department. I don't know if it was the Palm Beach Police Department or if it was when the FBI got involved, but there was a lack of information at some point in a disconnect that happened because you had the Palm Beach Police Department that was trying to do an active investigation, which ended up becoming federal, because in 2019, he got rearrested. But when this whole thing started in Palm Beach Police Department, they're the ones that started the smear campaign. So when I got called in for questioning, you can see on the video that all of us have a very consistent story, but the police officers aren't listening. The detectives aren't listening. The detectives aren't acknowledging that we were abused. They're only acknowledging that we brought other girls to his house, not realizing that we were children when we did this. I was 16 when I started with Jeffrey, and I left when I was 18. And so that kicked off the whole court case in Florida. And then I had. Acosta was the one that gave Jeffrey or somehow worked out a deal with Jeffrey for the 13 month sentence which allowed him to go on work release, where he was still abusing other women, where there were police officers standing outside while he was abusing girls, while he was supposed to be locked up.

[Interviewer/Host]

Do you remember the day when you learned about that deal? Because obviously the survivors weren't consulted. It was just, you know, it was just announced. Now, we see in the files a lot of the federal prosecutors who had a report to Acosta, and the other people who led that criminal division were saying, you know, you've really caused a lot of problems with these survivors and you should hear from them. But Acosta, you know, did this deal with Epstein's lawyers. Do you remember when you learned about it and then how that made you feel? And this was after the horrific events of 2006, where there's this, you know, horrible incident where your boyfriend is murdered. 2007, 2008.

[Hallie Robson]

Ish.

[Interviewer/Host]

You learn about this deal, you're trying to recover from all of this trauma, then you hear about this. So what happens is, then I was.

[Hallie Robson]

It was so unbelievable. I remember my attorney calling me and telling me that he learned about this, and I just. I did not understand. I was like, how are we not? Like, why? First of all, 13 months, really, like, that's it. And it didn't make any sense to me. I immediately said that something's not right. I said, this doesn't sound right. I said, because the punishment doesn't fit the crime. And then that's when I learned the reason he got the 13 months is there was a lack of information that was being granted to the grand jury. So there were 40 victims that came forward with very consistent stories about being abused and bringing girls to Jeffrey's house. And those consistent stories never made it to the grand jury. Only four victims, I believe, were presented to the grand jury. And I feel like if all 40 victims were presented, we would have had a much different outcome.

[Interviewer/Host]

So then I assume. And I never want to assume, but between when the deals finally inked with EPSTEIN, like in 2008, really, through Julie K. Brown and the Miami Herald, starting to write about this again. 2018, 2017, you must be thinking again, I don't want to infer, but he got away with this. You know, this is. He.

[Hallie Robson]

He's.

[Interviewer/Host]

He's free. Nothing's ever going to happen to this guy and this network of. Of people. So talk to us about that as we then talk about the arrest of Epstein, his death, which now there's a lot more questions there, too. If there. There were a ton before, but now it's like, come on, the Ghislaine trial and then your attempt to recover from all the trauma that you've been through during those years. What's going on in that gap of time?

[Hallie Robson]

So when Jeffrey got arrested, everything kind of settled down, and I was like, thank God I can breathe. I can get through this. It was a sigh of relief. But, you know, the 13 months went by really fast, and I remember thinking to myself, like, the. He's just gonna do it again. Like, I mean, you guys gave him a slap on the wrist. There was no real harsh punishment. The time didn't fit. The crime. There's no way. He's not, he's not going to do this again. And so through those years, I just drank a lot of alcohol. I tried to cope with it in different ways. And then eventually I cleaned up my act and I went back to school. I was focusing on myself. I had, you know, moved into a beautiful place. I was seemingly, things were getting better and I was being able to heal, and there was room for me to grow.

[Interviewer/Host]

What years are those, Hallie, when you went to school? Just so we can situate it in.

[Hallie Robson]

Time, I would say between 2010 and, like, 2013, right around there. I didn't finish my degree, but it was, it was a little bit of a break. It was nice. And then, you know, between 2013 and, you know, 2014, I, I, I became a mom and I got married. And again, everything seemed very quiet. And I was actually really surprised, you know, Jeffrey Epstein wasn't coming up in the news. You weren't really hearing about Ghislaine. Stories weren't really being covered anymore. It kind of felt like it was fizzled out and it was done and over with. And so it kind of gave me a little bit of hope, like, okay, if this is it, like, we're finally done with the situation, I can finally move on and build my life. And then, no.2018, I met Lisa Bryant, who was the producer of Filthy Rich, and they were doing a documentary on Jeffrey Epstein because he had just been rearrested in New York for similar or the same crimes. And so I was asked to do the documentary Filthy Rich. So I met with Lisa Bryant, and she was. After 17 years of being in fear and being forced into silence from the smear campaigns, I, I figured, you know what? I have nothing to lose. I have nothing to lose and nothing to gain. So I met Lisa Bryant. We, we went over, we talked, I told her my story. We made, I mean, she made, you know, the documentary that was very successful. And then, of course, Covid hit. And, you know, when Covid hit, everything got locked down. Nobody was able to get out of the house for a while. Restaurants were closed. So what was everybody doing? They were all watching Netflix. And Jeffrey Epstein's documentary Filthy Rich had just been released.

[Interviewer/Host]

And so the documentary, though, was filmed. So Epstein dies August 10th of 2019. Although we've now seen in the files that the prosecutors had prepared a press release the day before, which people can take whatever that is. But there's a press release written the day before, and there's also the timing of Things in the files with an orange jumpsuit person. And even the person who was moved in to be his original bunk mate said that he thought he's been moved in there in order to kill Epstein because he's someone who was a quadruple murderer who kills, you know, pedos. And so he's like, I assume they put me in there to kill the guy, but not that we can ever set that aside. But that's a. We'll save that for another show. But you've learned Epstein gets arrested. You are filming this documentary, and then you find out that Epstein dies and that it's being called a purported suicide. And this is before he's able to be brought to justice. In the New York case. He wasn't even. There was barely any court appearances at that point in time. I mean, there wasn't. The case had not gone to trial. Talk to us about when you learned that he died.

[Hallie Robson]

Oh, my gosh. I woke up that morning and I got a text at 9 in the morning, I think it was a Saturday. And it was my. My sister texted me and said, you know, I hope you find closure knowing that, you know, Jeffrey's dead. And I was like, what? Jeffrey's dead? I was like, no, he's in jail. And then Lisa Bryant called me, and we had a conversation, and I. I just broke down. I just remember crying, like, hysterically. And then I just kind of started laughing, and I'm like, you gotta be kidding me, right? Like, so he's never gonna face justice because allegedly he took the easy way out, which I don't believe he killed himself. And it's very hard for me to believe that, because Jeffrey is a Megalo maniac. I mean, he thrived off control and power. He thought he was God, and he didn't think he was ever going to get caught. And so when somebody has that type of personality, it's hard for me to think that they would ever feel guilty or ashamed enough to want to kill themselves. I just don't believe it. I think he was murdered. But it was a very traumatic day that day, because I felt every emotion. I felt sadness, happiness, joy. I felt emptiness. And then I just felt rage and anger for a while. And, you know, it was unbelievable to find out that there were guards that fell asleep. And then you're hearing about the cameras that allegedly didn't work. And not only that the cameras allegedly didn't work, but that allegedly there was an incident a week or two prior to that where, again, he was trying to commit suicide. And the Cameras weren't working. And I'm like, I mean, that just doesn't sound possible to me. I don't believe it. And after he passed away and, you know, everything was back in the media again. And I remember being in the media and we were, they were talking about Jeffrey's death and that Mark Epstein had brought in his own person to do an autopsy, which I think was incredibly smart. And Ghislaine, they were like looking for Ghislaine for a whole year. And Ghislaine was like hiding out somewhere in the middle of nowhere, I think, like up north. And they finally found her and brought her in. And that's when things really ramped up in the media because now they were getting ready for trial. There were victims that were coming forward against Ghislaine Maxwell that had proof. They were going to put her away. And I'm watching this in real time and I'm like, I can't even believe the scope of the timing of everything. Like all was just happening in fast motion. And it was, I just remember not being able to process everything. And I was at L A Fitness, I was at the gym and it was in the morning. And they convicted her. She was convicted and found guilty on her own charges of sexual abuse and trafficking. And I, I, I was so shocked. I was like, oh my God. Like, finally there's, there's accountability. There's somebody that's, you know, taking notice in what needs to be done and doing the right thing. Like this is wonderful. Like more people might start actually being held accountable. And it was all a lie, though, because if you look at it now in hindsight, what was the point, what was the point of making Anuska to Georgia and some of the other girls testify? Some of those girls aren't here anymore. Some of those girls, it cost her, the, it cost them their life to testify against her and to sit around and convince her and get 20 years, which is not even deserving. She deserves way more than 20 years. So to see her, to get 20 years and then to have this administration and Todd Blanch, I cannot stand him, he is such a dishonest person. And see him get a two hour interview with her and then she gets moved to a summer camp. I, and I'm watching everything with the public in real time and I'm like, I don't know if anybody else is believing or buying this bs, but I don't think he interviewed her. I legit think that he went there for two hours and said, what do you know? I want to know what you know and let's work out a deal. She was a trafficker and a, and a monster. And she sexually raped and abused children alongside with Jeffrey and I don't understand how they could just move her.

[Interviewer/Host]

Did you have any interactions with her or did you see her? And by the way, when you were talking about the incidents earlier, sexual assault and rape, I shouldn't say, we should be very specific about what was that in the West Palm beach home? Was that in that location? And then did you see Ghislaine and what were those interactions or did you know about her at the time?

[Hallie Robson]

So I had no idea who Ghislaine was. I, I, I never met Ghislaine. I, and I think it was deliberate. But I never saw her at Jeffrey's house. I never spoke to her, I never was introduced to her. But I know that she was involved in some of this because I've heard the stories from the other survivors and not only did I hear the other survivor stories, she was convicted, which tells me that there was obviously an immense of foul play on her part and there's no denying that she needs to go back to prison. So I, I was flabbergasted when I found out that Ghislaine was also too joining in on the rape and sexual abuse of young girls and women and children. I was surprised I didn't find that information out till much later in the investigation. I was trafficked to Jeffrey and abused by him solely.

[Interviewer/Host]

So then we fast forward to this current administration which by now their behavior as such. I don't give them the benefit of the doubt and call it an administration anymore. I call it a regime because to me that's just how they're behaving. But they start off and you have some hope that they're actually going to do what he said they were going to do. And you know, there are sometimes people who are single voter issues or one issue is paramount. Correct me if I'm wrong, but your issue, when you thought about who was you were an independent. I've seen interviews before of you, but I'll let you say it in your own words. I'm picking the person who's running on exposing the pedos and specifically releasing the Epstein files. That's at this point that one of the main issues, especially given all you've shared with us that was important. So you've shared, you voted for this guy as an independent because of that. I'll let you say it in your own words, of course. And then you had hope but then when did that hope that it was that he was going to release this, start turning into this is a cover up? Was it February when he had the influencers show up and hold up the binders? Was it before then? Walk us through that.

[Hallie Robson]

So in 2016, I voted for Trump, and I voted for Trump as an independent because the other option was Hillary. And I already knew Bill Clinton was implicated in these files. I've already saw the pictures that were released to the public, so I didn't want to go that route. So I voted for Trump in 2016, and then in 2020, I did not vote at all. And then in 2024, he campaigned, his entire administration campaigned on releasing the Epstein files and being transparent. And not just me, a lot of the survivors, a few of us actually voted for him based on him campaigning to release the files. I mean, at that point, he was the only administration that mentioned Epstein or the files or even offered to have any acknowledgment on it. So I voted for him again. And you know what really did it for me? I think what really pushed me over the edge to redact all my support. I know a lot of people think it had to do with Larry Nassar and that letter with Jeffrey Epstein, and that was a big part of it. But the way he treated Marjorie Taylor Greene and the way he treated Lauren Boebert and the way he treated Nancy Mace and the women that wanted to sign on to the Transparency act, it was a clear indication that he bullied them and basically threatened Marjorie Taylor Greene to the point where she just resigned because she didn't feel safe anymore. And between that and the Larry Nassar letter, I was done at that point with the entire administration. I was so beyond disgusted, I couldn't even articulate what I was seeing in real time.

[Interviewer/Host]

Right? And every time you hear him out there say, it's a hoax, it's a democratic thing, we need to move on, you know? You know, I'm fully. What the more. The more recent one is, I'm fully vindicated. And these files show that I'm as. What goes through your mind when he says that? Given all you've been through, I think.

[Hallie Robson]

He'S starting to get senile is what I honestly feel. Because I'm like, in what world does this absolve you of any wrongdoing? In what world does this absolve you of anything? Because I have more questions now that the files came out than I did before the files. Because this is the point that I, as a survivor, have been Trying to make. It wouldn't matter if Trump was indirectly or directly active in abusing children. It wouldn't matter to me. What matters to me is the fact that you knew, you had a friendship with Jeffrey Epstein. You clearly knew with everybody else what he was doing and what he liked to do. That was not a secret in the, you know, elite or political world. People that knew him knew. And I know this because I saw a video of Cindy McCain in a panel where she says, we all knew what Jeffrey Epstein was doing, but nobody in the legal realm wanted to go against him. So at at least the minimal, they could be opening investigations into anybody and everybody that's named in these files. So we can actually have a full on investigation to get to the bottom of who was complicit, active and who was abusing. We don't really have any, anywhere else to go. Like there needs to be investigations. We're at that point right now. I mean, Thomas Massie and Ronna named names.

[Interviewer/Host]

You know, the expression that I've heard used a lot lately is the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world that he didn't exist. And, and a lot of these rich and powerful people out there, gaslighting isn't the right word. They seem to have known, seem known what was going on. But they were the ones out there saying, we're the ones who are going to protect the victims and their survivors. We're the ones who are going to be going after the pedos. And so trust us because we've got your back. And now again, also to your point, all you have to look at too is what they did with Ghislaine Maxwell. She gets promoted, she gets VIP treatment and now the idea of her getting clemency is out there. I've said this on the show and I said, what happens when the Department of Justice becomes a racketeering enterprise of covering up child sex trafficking? Because the doj, when they charge people in these RICO sex trafficking cases, everybody who's in the line, whether they are the person delivering the envelope, who maybe doesn't even know what's in the envelope of cash to the leader, they get tried as a racketeering enterprise. And when you're out there covering up the sex trafficking ring, I don't know what else to describe it, and I'm not trying to be hyperbolic. So we what do you make of that now? Is it betrayal? What goes through your mind when you say, wait a minute, you were the people out there saying this and now you're the Ones who are. You've revealed yourself.

[Hallie Robson]

Well, and you're absolutely correct. I mean, this is supposed to be, you know, the party of protecting the children. And I'm not sure what children you're protecting, because it's definitely not us. And what really bothers me is when Pam Bondi can be in an oversight committee hearing and sit there and say, you know, there's no credible evidence, or, yeah, if we feel there's wrongdoing, we'll investigate. I don't know what files you're reading, darling, but there are plenty of evidence of wrongdoing in those files to start the investigations. And it's just. It's. It's tiresome. I'm so tired of hearing this administration just completely dismiss our trauma and disregard us. But they are supposed to be the party of, oh, family values and protecting children. And, you know, I just feel like if that's the party that you are, it seems like Thomas Massey's the only one showing up for it, you know, And I have to be honest about that. And it's. It's unique. Everybody should be on board with protecting women and children in society. I don't understand when it became acceptable to groom society to accept child abuse.

[Interviewer/Host]

You've connected.

[Hallie Robson]

That's what it feels like they're doing.

[Interviewer/Host]

You've connected with the community of survivors and each bringing each other strength and leaning on each other during these very tough days. And talk to us about what that's been like and as much as you can share about what that community, you know, what that community of people who have all suffered through unimaginable PTSD and trauma, kind of coming together and helping each other through all this stuff.

[Hallie Robson]

Well, it's been incredible. I have one of the best therapists I could ever hope for, and she's based out of Florida. She lives or her office is right down the street from my house. And she has. We have a whole support community for the victims of Florida, the survivors of Florida. We do, like, group counseling sessions for the girls in Florida. And it's wonderful being able to connect with other survivors locally, to be able to meet up and have those conversations and be able to support and check in on each other, you know, during this whole diabolical situation. My father passed away December, and these women really rallied around me and were texting and calling and sending flowers and just making sure that I was okay. And it's. It's nice to have that support and to be able to connect with other people on such a deep level and not having to have to express what you're feeling every minute when you're with them, but them to just be able to sit in silence with you and appreciate the silence because they understand where the silence comes from.

[Interviewer/Host]

I can only imagine too each of these moments, whether it's Bondi testifying or I don't even know what you would even call that, or another Trump event where he disparages survivors or, you know, just attacks the whole concept of transparency. Can you just talk through. I know people understand that it's re. Traumatizing, but as someone who had to, who endured the unthinkable and as you speak with other survivors, you know, is there a way our audience even understands, you know, what that, what that actually means, you know, on a day to day basis of you, of you living with this.

[Hallie Robson]

It's a sad time in the world when the leader of the free world will not even acknowledge you or your presence or your trauma. And they're supposed to be working for the constituents to protect you and they can't even show support. I mean, I would imagine if this happened in Denmark or a different, you know, country that had stricter laws and actually respected those laws, I would hope that the leader of their country would stand in solidarity with them. And you know, obviously that's not what we're seeing and that's not what we're going through here. It's definitely disrespectful and very hurtful and it is retraumatizing when you're getting put through the ringer again and you're getting called a hoax or a liar and now your followers actually think that this is a hoax when indeed it's, it's not a hoax. I mean, there's court documents, there's grand jury documents, you know, and it's discouraging when other survivors are looking in at this situation and feeling like, well, why would I want to come public or why would I ever want to try to get justice for my own abuse when look at these poor girls are children, were children at the time and they're their country. The leader won't even acknowledge that they exist or even acknowledge. I mean, we couldn't even get the Pam Bondi who, you know, in the hearing today wouldn't even acknowledge or look at the survivors. And it's so disrespectful and beyond hurtful and it, it makes you feel just alienated. It makes you feel rejected and it's a hard burden to carry. But I know that everything in the dark comes to light no matter what or who you are. And so there's going to be a lot of things very soon that are going to be coming out in the light, I feel like. So I'm going to continue to be hopeful and we'll see who gets the last laugh in the end because this isn't a hoax and we're not going away.

[Interviewer/Host]

Your fight continues, right? I mean, the survivors throughout the country and the world I think are this is if the effort here was to stop you or to discourage you, I think it's had the opposite impact. And I think we, before we go, I'll let you put it in your own words, of course, of what's your message after seeing Bondi blanch and Trump do what they did to try to intimidate and bully and demoralize and silence you and other survivors. What's your message today before we go?

[Hallie Robson]

You can't bully me. I'm not somebody you bully. And I've turned into the woman that I've always needed for my younger self and I am very protective over her and I am not going to cave, bend or fall back just because it makes you uncomfortable. And I'm not going to be ran off with threats. I mean, I've already lived through the most horrific things that anybody can go through and at such a young age. And I've already survived. And I'll survive this administration, too. And best of luck.

[Interviewer/Host]

Hailey Robson I know it's difficult to have to retell this story over and over and over again and I appreciate you entrusting us with being able to share the story with the rest of the world. So thank you very much for that.

[Hallie Robson]

Thank you for having me, everybody.

[Interviewer/Host]

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