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Complete Meltdown by Attorney General Pam Bondi during an explosive Senate hearing this morning. Let me bring you the receipts. Senator Whitehouse asked Attorney General Bondi if she had seen the photographs that have been widely discussed that may or may not exist of Donald Trump with Jeffrey Epstein, which Michael Wolf said were kept in Epstein's safe. Potentially that would show Donald Trump with naked girls of indeterminate age and with Donald Trump potentially having a stain on his pants as the girls are laughing at him. Watch Pam Bondi refuse to deny it and look at Pam Bondi's face during the question. It reveals a lot. Play this clip.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
Let me ask you something else. There's been public reporting that Jeffrey Epstein showed people photos of President Trump with half naked young women. Do you know if the FBI found those photographs in their search of Jeffrey Epstein, safe or premises or otherwise. Have you seen any such thing?
Pam Bondi
You know, Senator Whitehouse, you sit here and make salacious remarks once again trying to slander President Trump left and right when you're the one who was taking money from one of Epstein's closest confidence. I believe I could be wrong. Correct me, Reid Hoffman, who was with Jeffrey Epstein on multiple occasions, and the Senator sitting right next to you tried to block the flight logs from being released. Yet you're grilling me on President Trump and some photograph with Epstein? Come on.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
The question is, did the FBI find those photographs that have been discussed publicly by a witness who claimed Jeffrey Epstein showed them to him? You don't know anything about that? Okay.
Narrator/Host
And Bondi is asked by Senator Whitehouse about the $50,000 in cash that is alleged to have been taken By Tom Homan. The borders are. Where is the cash? Did he take the $50,000? Whatever happened to it? Did the FBI give it to him? Did he return it? She refuses to answer. Again, watch her body language and her face. As you can see, she goes into her lie mode. Here, play this. Cl.
Pam Bondi
Senator, as Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch recently stated, the investigation of Mr. Homan was subjected to a full review by the FBI agents and DOJ prosecutors. They found no credible evidence of any wrongdoing.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
And that was not my question. My question was what became of the $50,000 in cash that the FBI delivered, evidently in a paper bag, to Mr. Homan?
Pam Bondi
Senator, I'd look at your facts.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
Are you saying that they did not deliver $50,000 in cash to Mr. Home?
Pam Bondi
Senator, as recently stated, the investigation of Mr. Homan was subjected to a full review. Question 5 FBI agents, that's 5 Department of justice prosecutors. They found no evidence of wrongdoing.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
That's a different question. What became of the $50,000? Did the FBI get it back?
Pam Bondi
Mr. Whitehouse. Excuse me, Senator Whitehouse, you're welcome to talk to the FBI.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
The report to you. Can't you answer this question?
Pam Bondi
Senator Whitehouse, you're welcome to discuss this with Director Patel.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
Did homan keep the $50,000?
Pam Bondi
As Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch recently stated, the investigation of. Mr. Never mind.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
I can see I'm not going to get a straight answer from you. To a very simple.
Pam Bondi
FBI agents and the doj, they found no credible evidence of wrongdoing. You know, you're very concerned about money and people taking money and you rail against dark.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
Wait a second, wait.
Pam Bondi
You work with dark money groups all the time. Senators.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
Wait a second.
Narrator/Host
Next up, you have Senator Durbin asking Pam Bondi questions about the Epstein files. Who gave the order to flag Donald Trump's name in the Epstein files? To redact and remove his name. Who flagged that? And you'll see Pam Bondi say, I'm not discussing anything with you about that. The COVID up continues here.
Senator Dick Durbin
Play this clip is to read somebody that you mentioned. I never heard of Reid Hoffman. So who gave the order to flag records related to President Trump?
Pam Bondi
To flag records for President Trump to.
Senator Dick Durbin
Flag any records which included his name.
Pam Bondi
I'm not going to discuss anything about that with you. Senator.
Senator Dick Durbin
Eventually you're going to have to answer for your conduct in this. You won't do it today, but eventually you will. I yield, Mr. Chairman.
Narrator/Host
Then Senator Blumenthal asks Pam Bondi questions. What happened the night before the indictment of James Comey, the former FBI director. There's a photo that you all posted on social media, sitting around the White House in the Rose Garden. Garden area, which Donald Trump destroyed and turned into a private club for Republicans called Club Rose Garden. So was Comey discussed at that dinner, at that table with you and Donald Trump? Watch what she says here. Play this clip.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
The night before James Comey's indictment, you had dinner with President United States. Pretty intimate group, actually.
Pam Bondi
There were a lot of people there that night. That's a great picture.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
Comey discussed at that dinner.
Pam Bondi
I love that picture. That's a great picture. And there were a lot of people there that night. I think the entire cabinet was there.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
Did you discuss James Comey with the President, United States? He was sitting just to your left.
Pam Bondi
Well, two seats down. Yes, two seats down. And I am not going to discuss anything or not have with the president.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
The American public is entitled to know, Madam Attorney General, the entire county. You took instructions from President Trump after he told you very directly to indict James Comey, which is weaponization of the Department of Justice.
Narrator/Host
So she's just saying, I will not tell you anything. Despite Donald Trump publicly posting messages. Pam, go after my political opponents. She goes, I'm not discussing anything. Oh, the most transparent presidency ever, huh? No, the most criminal presidency ever. And the biggest bunch of gangster liars ever. Then Senator Durbin says, well, you. You made a public claim that the Epstein list was sitting on your desk for review. Can you explain that? And she's like, if you listen to my full statement, I actually said I hadn't reviewed it yet. Thus, it doesn't exist. Here, play this clip.
Senator Dick Durbin
In February, you made a public claim that the Epstein client list was, quote, sitting on my desk right now for review, end of quote. You then produce already public information and no client list at a major media event hosted at the White House. Attorney General Bondi, why did you publicly claim to have the Epstein client list waiting for your review, and then produce nothing relevant to that claim?
Pam Bondi
Senator Durbin. Senator Durbin, if you listen to my entire clip on that, I said I had not reviewed it yet, that it was sitting on my desk along with the JFK files, the Martin Luther King files. And I said I had not yet reviewed it. And if you see our memo on Epstein, you will see. Excuse me, our memo. And Epstein clearly points out that there was no client list. Our July six memo.
Narrator/Host
Then you have Senator Hirono ask Pam Bondi who approved closing the Homan investigation, the bribery investigation, did you approve it to Which Pam Bondi's like, are you a member of an tifa? Are you a member of an tifa? Because you hang out around Antifa. You see what they're doing. I don't discuss any things and then just accuse senators of being antifa. These are the tools of authoritarian fascists. And you're watching them. Here. Here, play this clip.
Senator Mazie Hirono
Two weeks ago, DOJ officials reportedly shut down the bribery investigation into Mr. Homan. Ms. Bondi, did you approve closing the Homan investigation? Bribery investigation.
Senator Chuck Grassley
Just get rid of that.
Pam Bondi
Senator Hirono, as I stated earlier, the Department of Justice and the FBI conducted a thorough review, and they found no credible evidence of any wrongdoing. You were also on video outside the White House protesting with a group called CASA where Antifa members were. Does that mean you're a member of antifa?
Senator Mazie Hirono
You know, I simply asked the question as to whether or not you approve the shutting down of the investigation. Mr. Homan, I have to assume that you did because the FBI reports to you. But the American people would look at the situation where this person is taking a 50,000, $50,000 in cash, no less. And you testified today that a thorough investigation was done. Now I have to assume, I conclude that since no wrongdoing was determined, that in answer to Senator Whitehouse's question, he kept the money. He kept the money. And I hope that he put that on his tax returns as income.
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By the way, aren't you just disgusted by Pam Bondi and these answers? Isn't it repulsive when you watch this? Doesn't it just almost make you want to, like, gag and be like, ugh, like, what a terrible person this is. Like, that's my, my reaction. Like, it's so obvious they're liars and they're covering up crimes. Right then, Pam Bondi speaking to Senator Blumenthal. This is one of the ways they try to handle questions is they just attack the person asking the questions because they're babies. No offense to babies. Like, this is how, like, petulant children behave. Nanny, nanny, Nana, I'm going after. Just answer the question. Be a grown up. You're an attorney general. Act like one. Here, play this clip that took place.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
Which merger you've listed being American Express gbt. I understand that Brian Ballard, longtime backer and head of the law firm where you worked, was instrumental in lobbying the Justice Department to drop that lawsuit. It was dismissed, so it's not subject to a court review. What conversation did you have with Mr. Ballard?
Pam Bondi
Senator Blumenthal, I cannot believe that you would accuse me of impropriety when you lied about your military service.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
I am. You lied. You admitted you lied.
Pam Bondi
A US Senator.
Senator Mazie Hirono
You lied.
Pam Bondi
How dare you. I'm a career prosecutor. Don't you ever challenge my integrity. I have abided by every ethics standard. Do not question my ability to be fair and impartial as attorney general and anything my former firm, Ballard partner.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
Thank you.
Narrator/Host
Next, you have Senator Coons asking a very important question. How did you conclude that these strikes on the boats, Venezuelan boats, are legal? What was your conclusion? Work us through the mindset at the DOJ that would authorize just killing people instead of interdicting just killing people and then not providing the American people with information about what the hell is going on. And then she goes, I will not discuss anything with you. I mean, that's your job. But when you have the Republican Party senators and House of Representative members who control both chambers, who don't want to Conduct oversight. This is what you get. This is what you get. Watch Pam Bondi's response. Play this clip.
Senator Chris Coons
The government's asserting the authority to summarily kill people. It says our cartel members through military strikes against boats on the open ocean in the Caribbean. Congress has never authorized such a use of military force. And it's unclear to me how the administration has concluded that these strikes are legal. I'm concerned with what the limiting principle is, whether the government could summarily kill people. It just declares our cartel members as well as unlawful combatants inside the United States or if they were American citizens. This isn't about defending cartels. And these aren't hypothetical questions. President Trump assembled military leaders and said they would be needed to fight the enemy from within and to train in cities in the United States that he describes as chaotic and violent. Due process is the cornerstone of our Constitution. I'm deeply concerned about the authority our president seems to be asserting to summarily kill people suspected of criminal activity outside the law. As the chief lawyer for our federal government, you have a unique responsibility to ensure maintenance of our constitutional standards. How did you conclude that these strikes on ships or boats in the open ocean are legal?
Pam Bondi
Senator Coons. I'm not going to discuss any legal advice that my department may or may not have given or issued at the direction of the President on this matter regarding Venezuela. What I can tell you is Maduro is a narco terrorist.
Narrator/Host
Then Senator Durbin from Illinois says, were you consulted by the White House before they deployed the National Guard troops to Cities in the U.S. here, play this clip.
Senator Dick Durbin
Thanks. Mr. Chairman. Madam Attorney General, let me ask you this question. Were you consulted by the White House before they deployed National Guard troops to cities in the United States?
Pam Bondi
I am not going to discuss any internal conversations with the White House.
Senator Dick Durbin
You won't even say whether you talk to the White House about this?
Pam Bondi
I am not going to discuss any internal conversations with the White House. With you. Chair, Ranking member.
Senator Dick Durbin
I noticed that. What's the secret? Why do you want to keep this secret? The American people don't know the rationale behind the deployment of National Guard troops in my state. The word is, and I think it's been confirmed by the White House, they are going to transfer Texas National Guard units to the state of Illinois. What's the rationale for that?
Pam Bondi
Yeah. Chairman, as you shut down the government, you voted to shut down the government, and you're sitting here, our law enforcement officers aren't being paid. They're out there working to protect you. I wish you love Chicago, as much as you hate President Trump and currently the National Guard are on the way to Chicago, if you're not going to protect your citizens, President Trump will been.
Senator Dick Durbin
On this committee for more than 20 years. That's the kind of testimony you expect from this administration. A simple question as to whether or not that a legal rationale for deploying National Guard troops becomes grounds for personal attack. I think it's a legitimate question. It's my responsibility. She refuses to answer. As to whether she had any conversation with the White House about deploying national troops to my state, that's an indication, I'm afraid, where we are politically in this place.
Narrator/Host
So you may be wondering, Ben, you showed me clips of the questions that Democrats were asking. We saw Pam Bondi deflecting, distracting, denying, ignoring. So what were the Republicans talking about? Can you show us? What was Ted Cruz talking about at this hearing? Surely something important. Nope. Ted Cruz and MAGA Republican Senator Kennedy, these both MAGA Republicans talking, were joking about Ted Cruz having Backstreet Boys tattoos on his lower back and that this is a funny way to appeal to young men. This is what these weirdos are talking about. It's weird, deranged. They're enjoying the shutdown. Do you see what I. They're enjoying your suffering. That's what I see taking place here. Anyway, play this clip, and I'll point out Senator Kennedy has a new book about testing negative for stupid. So I hope I test negative for stupid.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
I hope.
Narrator/Host
I hope I meet the. The threshold of your.
Senator Richard Blumenthal
You do meet it.
Narrator/Host
And I talk in the book about the tattoo of the Backstreet Boys on your back. Look, I can't help that. You don't want to reach young people. I think young people are the future, damn it. And I'll do whatever steps. Backstreet Boys.
Pam Bondi
That would be on Vice President Vance's playlist. I heard that. Got hacked.
Narrator/Host
And then here you have Pam Bondi saying to Senator Durbin of Illinois, like, why are you grilling me? The National Guard from Texas is already deploying to invade Chicago. Why are you grilling me? He's like, that's my job. This is literally called oversight. That's what I do here.
Senator Mazie Hirono
Play this clip, and I will work with you.
Pam Bondi
But you have not done that.
Senator Dick Durbin
Did you take a look?
Pam Bondi
The National Guard is on the way right now as we speak. Oh, by the way, so is Director Patel and Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche. You're sitting here grilling me, and they're on their way to Chicago to keep your state safe.
Senator Dick Durbin
Madam Attorney, General, it's my job to grill you. Investigation of your agency is part of my responsibility. And this, this committee. You may not like the experience, but others have weathered the storm and answered questions in a respectful manner.
Pam Bondi
Can you tell me the grants? Ranking member, please take a look at.
Senator Dick Durbin
The President's budget on Haida grants. What happens to it in his proposed budget?
Pam Bondi
I'd be glad to meet with you on the.
Senator Dick Durbin
It's cut by one third.
Narrator/Host
Okay, sorry. Chuck Grassley. I'll show you what another MAGA Republican senator was talking about, because you may be. Give me other perspectives. Ben, don't just show me what the Democrats are saying to Penn Bundy. Okay, I'll show you the chair of the judiciary in the Senate, Chuck Grassley. He's like 91 years old, this guy, but he's the head of this committee. So what do you think his issues are with Pam Bondi? Is it Epstein cover up? Is it killing people off the coast of Venezuela? Is it Tom Holman taking $50,000 in cash? Is it 90,000 square foot golden ballrooms that reek of corruption? What, what, what, what does he care about? Oh, surely, surely. It's Bill Clinton post presidency speeches, getting $250,000 a speech. And that. That's corruption. Are you looking into Bill Clinton speeches? Bam. Bondi here, play this clip 16.
Senator Chuck Grassley
They didn't care anything about my bringing up the emolument cause in regard. I wrote to the Obama Justice Department. That letter was based On Secretary Clinton's 2009-2013 financial disclosures when she was Secretary of State. Those disclosures showed that her husband participated in at least 62 events with foreign states. Some of those were speaking events with connections to foreign governments. And some speaking events were financially supported by foreign governments. Two examples. Bill Clinton received hundreds of thousands of dollars for appearance sponsored by Middle Eastern governments. Bill Clinton also received $200,000 for a speech connected to the Chinese government. And I don't recall getting any help from my Democrat colleagues on that investigation. Senator Graham, good morning.
Pam Bondi
Good morning.
Senator Chris Coons
Thank you.
Narrator/Host
So freaking odd. Back to Senator Hirono asking Pam Bondi some questions here. Um, so are the same lobbyists that you used to work for Bondi, are they the people who have been lobbying on behalf of these groups to get cases and investigations dismissed? To which Bondi says, are you antifa? Are you antifa? Here, play this clip.
Senator Mazie Hirono
So there's a settlement on that. And separately, DOJ sued Ticketmaster last year for monopolizing concert tickets and forcing consumers to pay outrageous fees. Ticketmaster has hired the exact same lobbyist who met with senior DOJ political people regarding the merger of the two tech companies. So my question is, Ms. Vondi, have lobbyists met with your political deputies about the Ticketmaster case?
Pam Bondi
Senator Hirono, as I stated earlier, I am not going to discuss anything that is ongoing. Gail Slater runs the antitrust, I would say, and Gail Slater, if I can finish, Gail Slater is doing an incredible job running my antitrust unit.
Senator Mazie Hirono
It's highly likely, Ms. Bondi, that the same lobbyists who met with your people basically got rid of the antitrust case.
Pam Bondi
Senator, I don't think a lot of people like that you were out protesting.
Senator Mazie Hirono
With antifa right now. Next question.
Narrator/Host
And let's just conclude once more by showing you that a shorter version of that clip. At the outset, when White House asked her, Senator Whitehouse asked her, where are those photographs of Donald Trump with the little girls? Do those exist because witnesses said they exist. Do. Do they exist? Do they not exist? What's going on? Bondi Here, Play this clip.
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse
Did the FBI find those photographs that have been discussed publicly by a witness who claimed Jeffrey Epstein showed them to him? You don't know anything about that. Okay.
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Episode: Trump AG Implodes Under Cross-Exam at Senate Hearing
Date: October 8, 2025
Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas
In this explosive episode, the MeidasTouch brothers break down the intense Senate Judiciary hearing confrontation with Trump-appointed Attorney General Pam Bondi. The hearing covers allegations of corruption, cover-ups involving Jeffrey Epstein, unexplained cash payments, and controversial DOJ decisions under the Trump administration. The hosts provide their signature blend of incisive analysis and brotherly banter as Bondi repeatedly stonewalls Democratic senators and Republicans deflect into political sideshows.
(03:15–04:59)
Senator Sheldon Whitehouse questions AG Bondi about alleged FBI discovery of photographs linking Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein. Bondi deflects with counter-accusations against Whitehouse and other senators, refusing to directly answer about the existence of the photographs.
Sen. Whitehouse (04:03): “Do you know if the FBI found those photographs in their search of Jeffrey Epstein, safe or premises or otherwise? Have you seen any such thing?”
Pam Bondi: Dodges direct answer, pivots to accusations against Democrats: “Come on.”
(05:22–07:14)
Senator Whitehouse presses Bondi on $50,000 allegedly given to Tom Homan (a Trump-aligned border official). Bondi recites DOJ talking points, refuses to clarify what happened to the cash, and dodges repeated, pointed follow-ups.
Sen. Whitehouse (06:49): “That’s a different question. What became of the $50,000? Did the FBI get it back?”
Pam Bondi: “You’re welcome to discuss this with Director Patel.”
(08:05–08:28)
Senator Dick Durbin challenges Bondi about who ordered Donald Trump’s name to be flagged and potentially redacted in the Epstein files. Bondi flatly refuses to answer.
Durbin: “Who gave the order to flag records related to President Trump?”
Bondi: “I’m not going to discuss anything about that with you, Senator.”
(09:08–09:43)
Senator Blumenthal confronts Bondi about a White House dinner before former FBI Director James Comey’s indictment. Bondi evades, refers vaguely to “many people” present and refuses to confirm discussion of Comey.
Blumenthal (09:34): “Did you discuss James Comey with the President, United States?”
Bondi: “I’m not going to discuss anything or not have with the president.”
(10:39–11:28)
Durbin asks why Bondi publicly claimed to have the Epstein client list on her desk when she later provided no such list. She backpedals, asserting she never reviewed it, referencing a DOJ memo that finds “no client list.”
Durbin (11:02): “Why did you publicly claim to have the Epstein client list waiting for your review, and then produce nothing relevant to that claim?”
Bondi: “If you listen to my entire clip… I had not reviewed it yet… our memo clearly points out there was no client list.”
(12:00–13:31; 25:55–27:01)
Senator Mazie Hirono and others ask about Bondi’s closure of bribery investigations and DOJ meetings with lobbyists. Bondi repeatedly tries to connect critical senators to Antifa, dodging substantive answers.
Bondi (12:19): “You were also on video outside the White House protesting with a group called CASA where Antifa members were. Does that mean you’re a member of antifa?”
Hirono: “I simply asked the question as to whether or not you approve the shutting down of the investigation.”
Sen. Coons asks Bondi about the legal rationale for lethal military strikes on Venezuelan boats.
Bondi: “I’m not going to discuss any legal advice… What I can tell you is Maduro is a narco terrorist.”
Sen. Durbin asks if Bondi was consulted before National Guard forces were sent to Chicago.
Bondi: “I am not going to discuss any internal conversations with the White House.”
When pressed, Bondi lashes out:
Bondi (20:09): “I wish you love Chicago as much as you hate President Trump and currently the National Guard are on the way to Chicago, if you’re not going to protect your citizens, President Trump will.”
Durbin responds:
Durbin (23:01): “It’s my job to grill you. Investigation of your agency is part of my responsibility…”
Backstreet Boys Tattoos Banter (21:56–22:24):
While Democrats question Bondi, Republican Senators Ted Cruz and Kennedy joke about Cruz allegedly having a Backstreet Boys tattoo to “appeal to young men,” underscoring their lack of substantive engagement.
Narrator/Host: “This is what these weirdos are talking about. It’s weird, deranged. They’re enjoying the shutdown.”
Sen. Chuck Grassley’s Obsession:
Rather than address Bondi’s scandals, Grassley focuses on Hillary and Bill Clinton’s post-presidency speaking fees.
Grassley (24:21): “Bill Clinton received hundreds of thousands of dollars for appearance sponsored by Middle Eastern governments... Are you looking into Bill Clinton speeches?”
(15:47–16:54)
When Sen. Blumenthal asks about her ties to lobbyist Brian Ballard, Bondi responds with a personal attack, bringing up Blumenthal’s past military service misrepresentation.
Bondi (16:19): “I cannot believe that you would accuse me of impropriety when you lied about your military service… Don’t you ever challenge my integrity.”
The hosts' tone is incredulous, outraged, and sarcastically humorous, reflecting exasperation with Bondi’s evasions and Republican senators’ circus-like deflections:
“Isn’t it repulsive when you watch this? Doesn’t it just almost make you want to, like, gag and be like, ugh, like, what a terrible person this is. Like, that’s my, my reaction.”
Throughout, Ben, Brett, and Jordy express deep concern for erosion of democratic norms and the lack of substantive oversight from Senate Republicans, all while keeping their trademark lively brotherly banter and sharp wit.
This episode lays bare the dysfunction and stonewalling at the heart of contemporary Senate oversight, focusing on Attorney General Pam Bondi’s extraordinary refusal to answer serious questions about corruption, abuse of power, and cover-ups. With supporting comedic and analytical commentary from the MeidasTouch hosts, listeners get both a factual account of the hearing and a larger critique of what the brothers see as the ongoing degradation of democratic guardrails under Trumpism. The episode is a scathing, sometimes darkly funny, but fundamentally sobering look at political accountability in the U.S. Senate.