Trump Bends the Knee in White House... to Zohran?!

Summary

The MeidasTouch Podcast – "Trump Bends the Knee in White House... to Zohran?!"

Date: November 22, 2025
Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas
Main Guests: Donald Trump, Mayor-elect Zoran Mamdani
Episode Theme: An in-depth (and at times surreal) look at Donald Trump’s surprisingly conciliatory Oval Office meeting with New York City's socialist Mayor-elect, Zoran Mamdani—including unprecedented mutual praise, discussion of policy overlap, and what this means for both parties and American political discourse.

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the extraordinary Oval Office meeting between former President Donald Trump and Zoran Mamdani, New York City’s incoming democratic socialist mayor—a meeting that turned many political expectations upside down. Far from hostile, the two leaders exchanged praise and found surprising common ground on several key issues like cost of living, housing, crime reduction, and U.S. military spending. The episode walks through press conference highlights, analyzes the evolving tone between Trump and Mamdani, and considers the ramifications for Democrats and the GOP.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Setting the Scene: The Meeting That Shocked America

• [02:30] Recap Begins: Host lays out the surprising tone of the Oval Office meeting, noting Trump’s effusive words for Mamdani, effectively “bending the knee” and expressing a willingness to work together despite ideological differences.

2. Trump’s Uncharacteristic Praise for Mamdani

• [03:15] Trump highlights overlap: “You said a lot of my voters actually voted for him, and I’m okay with that. I’ll do that. I’ll sign it. Give it to me. I’ll sign it in a minute.”
• [05:51] More Trump: “I wanted to congratulate the mayor. He really ran an incredible race... I just want to congratulate, I think you’re going to have, hopefully, a really great mayor.”

Memorable Quote:

Donald Trump:
“There’s no difference in party, there’s no difference in anything. We’re going to be helping him to make everybody’s dream come true—having a strong and very safe New York.” (05:51)

3. Policy Convergences: Cost of Living, Housing, and Crime

• [04:43] Mamdani shares insights from NYC voters—many Trump supporters—who cared about ending “forever wars” and addressing economic hardship.
• [07:07] Mamdani: “I appreciated the meeting with the president... focused on a place of shared admiration and love, which is New York City and the need to deliver affordability to New Yorkers.”
• [08:50] Trump raises utility rates: Notes fuel prices have come down, but urges Con Edison to lower rates for New Yorkers.

4. Sparring on Labels & Past Criticism

• [03:07] Mamdani confronted about labeling Trump a “fascist”; Trump nonchalantly replies:

“That’s okay. You could just say okay. … I don’t mind.”

• [05:25] On being called a “despot”:

“And I’ve been called much worse than a despot. So it’s not, it’s not that insulting. Maybe. I think he’ll change his mind after we get to working together.” (05:25)

5. The Press Conference: Tough Questions & Candid Answers

• [09:20] Trump is asked about previously calling Mamdani a communist and on action toward Israel’s Netanyahu; Trump shrugs off the “communist” label, says “we all change.”
• [11:47] Trump’s Ukraine policy revealed: suggests pulling US support if Zelensky “doesn’t accept the deal.”

“At some point, he’s going to have to accept something... he hasn’t accepted.” (12:15)

6. Middle East, Human Rights, & US Foreign Policy

• [13:38] Mamdani distinguishes between the Israeli government’s actions and US funding; presses for funds to benefit struggling New Yorkers rather than overseas wars.
• [14:27] Mamdani: “I appreciate all efforts towards peace... I also believe that we have to follow through on the international human rights.”

7. Trump on Living in Socialist New York

• [15:11] Asked if he’d live in NYC under Mamdani:

“Yeah, I would. I really would. Especially after the meeting. Absolutely. ... I want him to do a great job, and we’ll help him do a great job.” (15:11)

Memorable Quote:

Donald Trump:
“We agree on a lot more than I would have thought.” (15:11)

8. Political Fallout & GOP Shock

• [16:49] Reporter points out how Trump’s praise for Mamdani may undermine GOP strategy to paint Democrats as radical by association.
• Clips replay Trump’s previous attacks on Mamdani, including calling him a “little communist” and falsely suggesting he might be in the country illegally.

9. Re-emphasis on Shared Goals

• [18:58] Trump on policy agreements:

“He wants to see no crime. He wants to see housing being built. He wants to see rents coming down. All things that I agree with. ... We may disagree how we get there... but I heard him say it today. And I think that’s a very positive step.”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• [03:08] Trump tells Mamdani: “That’s okay. You could just say okay. It’s easier than explaining it. I don’t mind.”
• [05:25] Trump: “And I’ve been called much worse than a despot. So it’s not that insulting.”
• [08:50] Trump on utility prices: “We have to get Con Edison to start lowering the rates.”
• [09:35] Trump (on “communist” smear): “He’s got views a little out there, but who knows? ... We all change.”
• [12:15] Trump on Ukraine: “Well, at some point, he’s going to have to accept something.”
• [13:48] Mamdani on Gaza and NYC: “...in the ninth consecutive year of more than 100,000 school children being homeless in our city...”
• [15:11] Trump: “Yeah, I would. I really would. Especially after the meeting. Absolutely.”
• [18:58] Trump surprised by common ground: “He wants to see no crime... I want to see the same thing.”

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [02:30–05:15]: Trump and Mamdani’s press conference; mutual compliments, reframing of 'fascist' and 'despot' labels.
• [07:07]: Focus on cost of living, rent, and groceries.
• [08:50–09:11]: Trump and Mamdani discuss utility costs and fuel prices.
• [11:47–12:43]: Trump’s controversial statements on Ukraine and Zelensky.
• [13:46–14:27]: Middle East policy, Gaza, and US funding of foreign conflicts.
• [15:07–15:11]: Trump expresses comfort under Mamdani’s mayoralty in NYC.
• [16:49–18:58]: Political implications for GOP; flashbacks to Trump’s prior attacks.
• [18:58–20:30]: Consensus on fighting crime, building housing, and practical governance.

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Tone & Takeaways

The episode remains true to the Meiselas brothers’ signature style: sharp banter, cutting political analysis, and unapologetic advocacy for democracy—while also expressing genuine astonishment at the sheer bizarreness of Trump’s warmth toward Mamdani. The tone is incredulous but thorough, highlighting both the policy implications and the spectacle of former rivals repeatedly finding common ground.

Key Takeaway:
The meeting between Trump and Mamdani, laden with public praise and unexpected agreements, may upend traditional narratives about partisanship, challenge the GOP’s preferred attack lines, and force a re-examination of cross-party alliances on core issues facing American cities.

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For detailed analysis, reactions, and further clips, tune in to the full video episode on the MeidasTouch Network’s YouTube Channel.

Transcript

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[Commentator/Reporter]

It looks like Donald Trump bent the knee to Zoran Mamdani during their Oval Office meeting together. They held a press conference after and Donald Trump was like fawning over Mamdani. Let me just show you what happened a Reporter asked Mamdani if you believe Donald Trump's a fascist. And Donald Trump's like, you can call me that. Just call me whatever you want. Donald Trump bent the knee. Here.

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

Play this clip to Stephen Nelson. He asked about your comment calling the president a fascist, and your answer was, both President Trump and I have been clear about our positions and our views. Are you affirming that you think President Trump is a fascist?

[Zoran Mamdani]

I've spoken about.

[Donald Trump]

That's okay. You could just say okay. It's easier. It's easier than explaining it. I don't mind.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Donald Trump also then said that Mamdani told him that a lot of the voters for Mamdani were Trump voters. And he's like, I'm great with that. That's amazing. Here, play this cl.

[Donald Trump]

Refine it. And I think you're going to see some very positive things happen. Oh, sure.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

Oh, I would.

[Donald Trump]

I would do that. Absolutely. And if the mayor would like to be here for that meeting, because I know he feels very strongly. I think you feel very, very strongly about peace in the Middle East.

[Zoran Mamdani]

We desperately want it. And that's something that I shared with the president, that when I spoke to New Yorkers who had voted for the president last November on Hillside Avenue and Fordham Road, I asked them why. I heard again and again, two major reasons. One was that they wanted an end to forever wars. They wanted an end to the taxpayer dollars we had funding violations of human rights, and they wanted to address the cost of living crisis. And I appreciated the chance to discuss both of those things.

[Donald Trump]

You said a lot of my voters actually voted for him, and I'm 1 in 10. And I'm okay with that. I'll do that. I'll sign it. Give it to me. I'll sign it in a minute. That's. That's pretty good. Mr. President.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Mr. President.

[Donald Trump]

Yeah.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Next up, Mamdani is asked by a reporter why you referred to Donald Trump as a despot. Watch Trump's response right here. Play this clip.

[Donald Trump]

And some very liberal people. He won't surprise him because they already like him.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And Mr. Mohammedani, it sounds like you had a productive discussion, but just days ago, you referred to President Trump as a despot who betrayed the country. You said you'd be his worst nightmare and accused him of having a fascist agenda. Are you planning to retract any of these remarks in order to improve the relationship? I think both President Trump and I, we are very clear about our positions and our views. And what I really appreciate about the president is the meeting that we had focused not on places of disagreement, which there are many, and also focused on the shared purpose that we have in serving New Yorkers. And frankly, that is something that could transform the lives of the 8 and a half million people who are currently struggling under a cost of living crisis with one in four living in poverty. And the meeting came back again and again to what it could look like to lift those New Yorkers out of struggle, not start to deliver them a city that they could do more than just struggle to afford it, but actually start to live in it.

[Donald Trump]

And I've been called much worse than a despot. So it's not, it's not that insulting. Maybe. I think he'll change his mind after we get to working together. Yes, please.

[Commentator/Reporter]

And Trump says that he thinks Mamdani is going to be a great mayor and he's going to be great for crime and he's going to be great for the city. Great for reducing crime. Great for New York City.

[Donald Trump]

Huh?

[Commentator/Reporter]

Here, play this clip very well.

[Donald Trump]

And I wanted to congratulate the mayor. He really ran an incredible race against, you know, a lot of smart people, starting with the early primaries against some very tough people, very smart people. And he beat him, and he beat him easily. And I congratulated him. And we talked about some things in very strong common like housing and getting housing built and food and prices and the price of oil is coming way down. Anything I do is going to be good for New York. If I can get prices down, it's good for New York. And we've got them down. Way down from, from last year. We have. As you know, I've been saying to a lot of people, Walmart said that Thanksgiving this year is exactly 25% less than last year. So that's good for New York, good for everybody. But I just want to congratulate, I think you're going to have, hopefully a really great mayor. The better he does, the happier I am. I will say there's no difference in party, there's no difference in anything. And we're going to be helping him to make everybody's dream come true, having a strong and very safe New York. And congratulations, Mr. Mayor. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Then Mamdani responded that I appreciated meeting with Donald Trump. Let's play this clip right here.

[Donald Trump]

Thank you. I appreciate it. Please.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I appreciated the meeting with the president. And as he said, it was a productive meeting focused on a place of shared admiration and love, which is New York City and the need to deliver affordability to New Yorkers. The Eight and a half million people who call our city their home, who are struggling to afford life in the most expensive city in the United States of America. We spoke about rent. We spoke about groceries. We spoke about utilities. We spoke about the different ways in which people are being pushed out. And I appreciated the time with the president. I appreciated the conversation. I look forward to working together to deliver that affordability for New Yorkers.

[Donald Trump]

Thank you very much. Any questions, please?

[Commentator/Reporter]

Mayor Elect Mamdani then said that this is what I told the president, that I've been focused on affordability here. Play this clip in a second.

[Donald Trump]

But first of all, for the mayor elect, you're both from different parts of the political perspective. You're both populists, though.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And I just wonder to what extent.

[Donald Trump]

With the president's campaign style, his techniques.

[Zoran Mamdani]

His social engagement inspired any parts of your campaign. Well, I actually told the President that, you know, so much of the focus of our campaign has been on the cost of living crisis. And when we asked those New Yorkers who had voted for the president, when we saw an increase in his numbers in New York City, that came back to the same issue. Cost of living. Cost of living, cost of living. And they spoke about the cost of groceries, the cost of rent, the cost of Con Ed, the cost of childcare. And too often, politicians are looking to lecture to New Yorkers what they should care about as opposed to listen. And when we spoke to those voters who voted for President Trump, we heard them speak about cost of living. We focus on that same cost of living. And that's where I am really looking forward to delivering for New Yorkers in partnership with the president, on the affordability agenda.

[Donald Trump]

And I think we have to work a little bit. We talked about Con Edison. We have to work a little bit in getting the prices because, you know, we've gotten fuel prices way down. But it hasn't shown up in Con Edison. And we're going to have to talk to them. You know, if, if we're saying sending them fuel at a much lower price than it was a year ago, which is true, we have to get Con Edison to start lowering the rates.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Absolutely.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Trump then says that he believes Mamdani will do a very good job. Let's play it.

[Zoran Mamdani]

President Trump, Stephen Nelson from the New York Post.

[Donald Trump]

I've got a question for you.

[Zoran Mamdani]

And then also one for mayor for you. You refer to Mr. Mozani as a communist. You describe why you feel that way, and also, will you do anything to stop him from arresting Prime Minister Netanyahu?

[Donald Trump]

Well, we didn't discuss your second part of the question. And on your first part, I mean, he's got views a little out there, but who knows? I mean, we're going to see what works or he's going to change also. We all change. I change a lot. Change a lot from when I first came to office. It's now quite a while ago. It's quite a while. My first term was great. We had the greatest economy in the history of our country. We're doing even better now. We're doing much better now than we did even the first term. And I can tell you some of my views have changed. And we, we had discussions on something. I'm not going to discuss what they were, but that I feel very confident that he can do a very good job. I think, I think he's going to be, I think he is going to surprise some conservative people actually and some very liberal people. He won't surprise him because they already like him.

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[Commentator/Reporter]

Trump is then asked this question about Zelensky where Donald Trump gives a horrific response about his views on Ukraine and that Zelensky is going to need to take the deal. Here, play this clip.

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

I wanted to ask you also about this Ukraine plan. President Zelensky said today that his country would risk either giving up the partner or giving up its dignity. There's been criticism that this deal.

[Donald Trump]

You mean he doesn't like it?

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

It's unclear. He was sort of saying he'll have.

[Donald Trump]

To like it, and if he doesn't like it, then, you know, they should just keep fighting.

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

I guess suggestion that he made was that if he doesn't accept it, that the US Would pull back its support for Ukraine.

[Donald Trump]

Well, at some point, he's going to have to accept something, you know, he hasn't accepted. You remember, right, in the Oval Office not so long ago, I said, you don't have the cards. Don't forget, I inherited this war. I would have never. This war never would have happened. I inherited this war. And I thought he should have made a deal a year ago, two years ago, the ultimate deal would have been if it never started. That would have been the good deal. That could have been done, too, if you had the right president, but you didn't have the right.

[Commentator/Reporter]

President Trump was then asked about the report about the Coast Guard making swastikas no longer hate symbols. Let's play it.

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

I was wondering if you could clear up some confusion around a Washington Post report. There was this explosive report that the Coast Guard is no longer going to characterize swastikas and uses as hate symbols. DHS called that a lie and fake news. Can you clear up.

[Donald Trump]

I don't know anything about it. When was this written?

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

I think yesterday.

[Donald Trump]

Well, look, the Coast Guard's an incredible group of people I know very well. We just ordered a lot of new Coast Guard cutters. Beautiful. The most magnificent ship. They look like yachts with lots of guns on them. So I don't know. I haven't seen any report like that. But certainly we want them to remain a great force, and they are.

[Commentator/Reporter]

And then Mamdani was asked about Middle East. Here, play the clip.

[Donald Trump]

The nine months around the world.

[Zoran Mamdani]

I would like to ask, Mr. Mamdani, you've accused the US government of committing genocide in Gaza while President Trump was working on this.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Why?

[Donald Trump]

Why that?

[Zoran Mamdani]

I've spoken about the Israeli government committing genocide and I've spoken about our government funding it. And I shared with the president in our meeting about the concern that many New Yorkers have of wanting their tax dollars to go towards the benefit of New Yorkers and their ability to afford basic dignity. And what we see right now is we're in the ninth consecutive year of more than 100,000 school children being homeless in our city. And there's a desperate need not only for the following of human rights, but also the following through on the promises we've made New Yorkers. And I appreciated the meeting we had and the work that we can do that President Trump did do a peace.

[Donald Trump]

And worked hard to make the peace because he worked hard to do the.

[Zoran Mamdani]

Peace in the Middle east and everywhere.

[Donald Trump]

Do you agree with that?

[Zoran Mamdani]

I appreciate all efforts towards peace. And I shared with President Trump that when I spoke to Trump voters on Hillside Avenue, including one of whom was a pharmacist, that spoke about how President Trump's father actually went to that pharmacy not too far from Jamaica, states that people were tired of seeing our tax dollars fund endless wars. And I also believe that we have to follow through on the international human rights. And I know that still today those are being violated and that continues to be work that has to be done no matter where we're speaking of.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Then Donald Trump said that he would be comfortable living in New York City with Mamdani. Played the clip.

[Donald Trump]

Okay, how about you? You go ahead, please. You're a billionaire.

[Zoran Mamdani]

You have a different address now than you used to. You used to call New York City home.

[Donald Trump]

Would you feel comfortable living in New.

[Zoran Mamdani]

York City under a mom dying?

[Donald Trump]

Yeah, I would. I really would. Especially after the meeting. Absolutely. What makes you comfortable? We agree on a lot more than I would have thought. I think he's. I want him to do a great job, and we'll help him do a great job. You know, he may have different views, but in many ways, you know, we were discussing when Bernie Sanders was out of the race, I picked up a lot of his votes, and people had no idea because he was strong on not getting ripped off in trade and lots of the things that I've practiced and been very successful on, tariffs, a lot of things Bernie Sanders and I agreed on much more than people thought. And when he was put out of the race, I think quite unfairly, if you want to know the truth, many of the Bernie Sanders voters voted for me. And I felt very comfortable, frankly, in seeing that and saying that. And, you know, it just turned out to be a statistical truth. But no, I feel very comfortable. I would feel very, very comfortable being in New York. And I think much more so after the meeting. Yes, please.

[Commentator/Reporter]

You can see all of the young interns and young workers at the White House were thrilled to see Mamdani. And I think Donald Trump probably saw that huge crowds of some of the young workers right there out there who were at the White House and who were there here.

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

Play this clip any minute now. It was supposed to be at the 3 o'.

[Donald Trump]

Clock.

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

And we are right there. You see the huge group that is gathered on the White House complex, everybody waiting for the arrival of New York City's democratic socialist mayor elect Zoran Mamdani. We're going to.

[Commentator/Reporter]

As Jake Sherman, who covers Congress, writes, Trump showering praise on Mamdani in the White House may throw House Republicans for a loop. The House GOP signaled their entire 2026 campaign is to tie Democrats to Mamdani. And Donald Trump's out there saying he loves mom. He loves mom. Donnie, right now. And remember what Donald Trump, though, just said a few weeks ago when he was on Fox? He said, I'm going to call him my little communist. Play this clip.

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

Mr. President, see these buildings, a lot of them in New York City you built.

[Donald Trump]

I do.

[Narrator/Commercial Announcer]

That's called capitalism, not socialism. We have Mom. Donny, who is ahead in the polls here. What's your reaction?

[Donald Trump]

It's amazing.

[Zoran Mamdani]

It's up by 20.

[Donald Trump]

I call him my little communist. He's my little communist mayor.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Or remember when Donald Trump said that he better be very careful what he says to me. Zoran Mamdani's better be very careful. Here, play this clip.

[Unknown Male Speaker]

I was hitting him a little hard, too, in all fairness. I was, you know, hard to be totally friendly toward the opponent. You know, his opponent wasn't. He had some interesting opponents, but he ran a good race. I don't know exactly what he means by turn the volume up because turn the volume up. He has to be careful when he says that to me, but nobody really was able. I said, what does that mean? Turn the volume up. Does that mean let's go at it? Yeah, I don't think so. I mean, he was very nice in calling, as you know. And we're going to have a meeting, I guess we meet at 3 o' clock today. And I think it's going to be quite civil. We'll find out. You'll be the first to know or.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Remember here when Donald Trump falsely suggested that Mamdani is in the country illegally. Do you remember that?

[Donald Trump]

We're going to be watching that very carefully. And a lot of people are saying he's here illegally. He's, you know, we're going to look at everything but, and ideally he's going to turn out to be much less than a communist. But right now he's a communist. That's not a socialist. You know, I've always said we will not have socialism in this country. And the speeches, I said, well, what they skip socialism and you get a lot of Them like that. And you see aoc, she's out there with her, you know, bad iq.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Well, here's what he's saying today, that he wants to see no crime at all. He goes, I believe Zoran's going to stop crime in New York. Play this clip.

[Donald Trump]

Well, I think if we didn't get along, whether it's cut off or just make it a little bit difficult or not give as much, we want to see, I use the term we don't want good money going after bad. And we just, we don't want that to happen. I don't think that's going to happen. I did say, you know, subject to what, what policies are being said. We had a meeting today that actually surprised me. He wants to see no crime. He wants to see housing being built. He wants to see rents coming down. All things that I agree with. Now, we may disagree how we get there, the rent coming down. I think one of, one of the things I really gleaned very, very much today, he'd like to see him come down, ideally by building a lot of additional housing. That's the ultimate way. He agrees with that and so do I. But if I read the newspapers in the stories, I don't hear, I don't hear that, but I hear, I heard him say it today. And I think that's a very positive step. No, I don't expect, I expect.

[Commentator/Reporter]

And Trump said, I believe he said things that are very interesting here. Play this clip.

[Donald Trump]

We discuss crime more than ice, per se. We discuss crime and he doesn't want to see crime and I don't want to see crime. And I have very little doubt that we're not going to get along on that issue. He wants to, and he said some things that were very interesting, very interesting as to housing construction and he wants to see houses go up, he wants to see a lot of houses created, a lot of apartments built, etc. And you know, we actually are. People would be shocked. But I want to see the same thing.

[Commentator/Reporter]

Wow, wow, wow. Could you believe your eyes that that's what was taking place in the Oval Office? Donald Trump bending the knee to Zoron. Mom die. We'll keep you posted every step of the way here on the Midas Touch Network. And thanks so much for watching.

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