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Ron Filipkowski
burn baby burn the wheels have fully come off donald trump is getting the karma he deserves the maga movement has completely crashed some of the biggest maga names are taken to the air to tell donald trump you've destroyed the maga movement we're hearing from trump voter after trump voter saying they are done whether the crack began with the epstein files the tariffs against the world that donald trump promised was gonna make everybody so wealthy but destroyed their lives whether it was the catastrophic war in iran different people had different breaking points but the commonality here is maga is in the toilet and hey marjorie taylor green was out there rallying a lot of the maga people to leave as well so is thomas mat now let me show you what just went down so you have bhatia unger saragon one of donald trump's biggest proxies out there and so she took to the air on news nation i mean she's one of maga's biggest cheerleaders and she said mister president your supporters are hurting they need help they need it from you you gotta help us why are you doing this i want you to see what happens when she goes on live tv and says donald why'd you this to us because that's who he is here play
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Interviewer/Host
this clip mister president your supporters are hurting people who voted for you three times who would walk over legos covered in hot coals to vote for you are broke some are skipping meals others are buying canned chicken in bulk because that's all they can afford the cost of food and gas is just so high people are finding it impossible to pay for their kids after school sports once they fill up the car with gas people who support you and support the war in iran who were willing to pay a little more to make sure our grandkids don't have to live with the threat of a nuclear armed terror state who were willing to pay a little more for the possibility of reshoring our great manufacturing base with tariffs well they've paid all they can some are expressing anger and frustration they feel that they voted for you to bring down the costs others are just quietly skipping meals and contrary to what some in your administration keep saying it's not just vibes inflation is eating up wage growth and then some gas is four dollars fifty cents a gallon as we head into the summer travel season the producer price index is up six percent as we head into grilling season savings are at an all time low thirteen percent of credit card balances are now over ninety days delinquent the highest since twenty eleven you keep saying that the stock market is doing great and that is true but the gains of the economy and nearly all consumer spending are concentrated in the top ten percent everyone else is broke you keep saying that gas will plummet when operation epic fury is over and there is a new memorandum of understanding on the table but even if there is a deal it will take a lot of time for gas to come down and in the meantime the american people need something to get them through the slogan your supporters need help mister president and they need it from you we brought in two hundred billion dollars in tariff revenue couldn't some of that be shared with americans struggling to put food on the table
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Ron Filipkowski
then we heard from caroline sunshine again she was a former trump twenty twenty four campaign communications director and if you remember some of the videos i've been doing she was out there early on in twenty twenty five as one of donald trump's biggest cheerleaders there was nothing donald trump could do that was wrong and here she is on cnn saying okay donald you want to brag that you have one hundred percent of maga support maga's done maga's gone you have a hundred percent of a little tiny sliver of your cult you destroyed it donald this is caroline sunshine one of donald trump's literal proxies out there here play this clip what are you hearing from your friends in the white house for speaking out like this publicly
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Guest Commentator
it's a good question i don't hear a lot i wish they would maybe pick up the phone more i think that there's an information ecosystem around the president right now that is designed to keep opinions like mine out or demonize supporters like me as disloyal and not relevant to hear from and that needs to change the president is not getting an information ecosystem around him right now that is giving him the full picture of where his base is at i am the president's base and the base is leaving there is a poll on your network you know showing one hundred percent of maga supports this war but who's maga who's maga because what i'm hearing from everyone is i'm a three time trump voter and i'm not maga anymore i i'm not i'm now non maga maga the base is leaving because they don't agree with this conflict and they don't believe that this is what they voted for and they're they're correct and
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Ron Filipkowski
then you had dave smith a maga podcaster calling donald trump on the latest episode a big dumb orange animal play
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Phil Weiser
the clip he's a big dumb orange
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Ron Filipkowski
animal who's never read a book and is you know just kind of i
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Phil Weiser
don't know like a shitty person and and all the conservatives we're going to get to michael knowles in a second but michael knowles included if we were
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Ron Filipkowski
in a more free environment to say
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Phil Weiser
how we actually felt michael knowles would also concede that donald trump is like
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Ron Filipkowski
a horrible person and then hearing from trump voters like this trump voter who says he don't care about us anymore
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Interviewer/Host
play this clip i'm president trump i'm in charge he doesn't care about us somebody asked him about a week ago what about the american people and they're struggling right now to what extent are americans financial situations motivating you to make
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Political Analyst
a deal not even a little bit
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Interviewer/Host
he did not care i couldn't even watch that i was angry after that like i voted for you and you don't care about me last year or
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Ron Filipkowski
this voter saying he screwed us on gas prices the cost of food here
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Interviewer/Host
play this clip he's only delivered on one promise pretty much is the giving back on taxes he hasn't really done much with gas prices or cost of food or cost of living has your
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Phil Weiser
opinion of him changed at all since he's actually been in power yes and
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Ron Filipkowski
how has it changed negatively tell me
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Interviewer/Host
why just because he haven't he hasn't delivered on much of his promises or
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Ron Filipkowski
this trump voter said all right he got a little bit carried away he seems that he's more more focused on going to wars with israel against places in the middle east than focused on the american people play this clip i voted for trump too i'm not saying i disagree with him but i think
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Trump Voter/Caller
it's getting a little bit carried away he's more concerned about the war over there and killing everybody over here with increased prices and he just doesn't seem to care and this big beautiful building
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Ron Filipkowski
helped me or you remember this clip i showed you recently this three time trump voter who calls in to c span and says how ashamed how embarrassed he is that he would vote for donald trump let's play this clip hard
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Trump Voter/Caller
for me to say this but i think if i can open up about it in public that it might help others i wanted to believe trump was the real deal for a long time even though i had doubts because i knew enough about his business history to think otherwise but now i regret my support for him and i should have known better he's making it plain as day he's a con man a liar doesn't keep his promises he's in office all for himself and he doesn't even try to hide his corruption anymore so unless you get all your information from what i call the right wing propaganda for profit disinformation media industrial complex he's the worst president we've ever had and he's the most corrupt president we've ever had i know it's hard it took me a while to be able to say that very difficult when you commit yourself to believing in somebody but then
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Ron Filipkowski
you have the project twenty twenty five architect kevin roberts bragging that all of the things that they wanted to do in project twenty twenty five were implemented remember when donald trump was trying to claim on the campaign and all of the corporate news was letting trump spew the propaganda and be like oh i don't know who project twenty twenty five is i don't know who kevin roberts is yeah we do here watch kevin roberts here let's play this clip did
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Interviewer/Host
the president implement project twenty twenty five in these first this first year plus
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Political Analyst
of his second term well thanks for
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Doug Burgum
that question because since nineteen eighty heritage has been offering presidential transition projects which we generally call mandate for leadership what's known as project twenty twenty five was done on such a scale that we proposed one thousand nine hundred thirteen recommendations ten fifty five as we sit here have been implemented the person who deserves credit for that is one donald j trump if we played a role through our policy scholarship through message testing and helping to craft public opinion upstream of electoral politics that's great heritage exists not to take credit but to offer great
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Ron Filipkowski
ideas and you take a look where donald trump is also losing a lot of his support at i mean he's losing support amongst his kind of core base the non college educated white voters that was his crew non college educated white he's underwater with non college educated white play this clip it's the group
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Political Analyst
that helped put him in the white house in twenty sixteen and then again in twenty twenty four the group that shifted tremendously from twenty twelve to twenty sixteen and put him in the white house we are talking about non college white voters and he is sliding right into the water this is a rut row moment to quote the great scooby doo trump's net approval rating with non college whites look at this in february of twenty twenty five it was plus thirty two points down it goes look at johnny johnny is just shocked by this number and now it is minus two points that is a thirty four point shift and i will note this as an average of polls this is not just one poll i've averaged three different polls here three big pollsters and what we see is donald trump actually underwater with non college whites who of course put him in the white house really moment yes really john yeah again
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Ron Filipkowski
i have to ask really because it's
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Political Analyst
a thirty four point swing among white
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Ron Filipkowski
voters who didn't go to college which again one of his core groups groups
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Phil Weiser
here why what what issues why i
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Political Analyst
mean let's talk about the economy it's the economy smarty when i'm talking with mister berman just take a look here i mean again look at this on the economy is net approval rating non college rates you go back to february twenty twenty five he was twenty six points above water look at this shift minus fifteen points fifteen points underwater with non college whites when it comes to donald trump's net approval rating on the economy that is an over forty point shift away from the president with a key core group of his ruh robert what about the war what about the war well the war ain't helping him because just take a look here non college whites net approval rating of us military action against iran minus five points you think that slow come over to this side of the screen how about trump on iran minus thirteen points a very unlucky thirteen indeed for the president of the united states with a key core group of heads it turns out he's alienating a lot of folks with this war not just the pope and
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Ron Filipkowski
then also people who didn't vote in the twenty twenty four election trump's net negative fifty or play this clip ones
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Interviewer/Host
that are changing that are moving that are different than the last election you
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Political Analyst
know you mentioned the republican base in your intro and then obviously there's the democratic opposition but what about those who didn't cast a ballot at all in twenty twenty four those who didn't show up to vote well they have become absolutely perturbed i dare say they are pissed off at the president of the united states voters who didn't cast a ballot in twenty twenty four trump's net approval rating back in november of twenty twenty four just after the election look at his net approval rating was plus four points for his plans in office but look at that it is falling yeah who there you go sarah seider that's the only sound you can make it has fallen to the floor look at this minus fifty points on trump's net approval rating among voters who did not in fact cast a ballot in twenty twenty four that is you don't have to be a mathematical genius an over fifty point move against the president of the united states among those who are kind of like meh you know in terms of voting in twenty twenty four but now they are pissed off
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Interviewer/Host
well and that's the thing and then
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Ron Filipkowski
when you look at red state after red state on a map whether it's texas whether it's ohio whether it's whether it's florida whether you name the state he's underwater often in double digits in these states i mean negative twenty here negative twenty two here negative twenty year in ruby red states i might add take a look at this right here maga couple reveals why they dumped trump's movement it's an article that just came out a georgia couple abandoned maga after they say they were personally affected by donald trump's policies duh he destroyed our lives they say ron was a fifty five year old construction analyst for the us department of housing and urban development hud and he told the outlet that he was furloughed admit amid the administration's haphazard doge initiatives he goes we voted for trump not realizing he was gonna slam us as hard as he did he destroyed my life which affects my family's life he goes on to say i just remember being content when thinking that he was what we needed and he was gonna drain the swamp in washington until he got into office this third election and realizing that i'm dumb as a rock and i believed everything that i was spoon fed then his wife chrissy said you know i was a lifelong republican just believed i was a conservative there's no thought behind it you listen to fox news you listen to conservative outlets and you're spoon fed this stuff she recalled thinking when trump first came onto the scene he's gonna fix it he's a businessman he's gonna help us but then she realized he destroyed our lives i'm so dumb how could i fall for this i'm stupid is what she's telling the outlets meanwhile you have michael i could show you tens of thousands hundreds of thousands of posts i'll just show you this one michael leak so if you noticed your car burning through gas fast it's because the trump administration has allowed oil companies to use e fifteen in our gas what is that exactly instead of your fuel containing ten percent ethanol and now it's fifteen percent ethanol let me dumb it down for you more they are watering it down so it burns faster they lower the price slightly but now you have to buy more i cannot wait until the midterms and the next election i went from having to fill up my box truck every other day to every day the cost of fuel is hurting my business drastically so now i have to do what everyone else is doing raise my prices so now you have to pay more at the pump and the revenue register for your everyday goods i voted for trump and i very much regret my decision right now or how about the trump voting lobster farmer on tariffs the more time that goes by the worse it is maybe it wasn't a good idea to do these tariffs against the world you have this account right here who said i voted for trump twice i was tired of woke culture and cancel culture invented by the left i wasn't trump's biggest fan but i thought he would deliver on his promise and make life affordable again which is important to me as gen z i think we can all agree he did not deliver not even close did quite the opposite and now i'm regretting not choosing woke because my gas is almost four dollars and thirty cents here in texas eric sprachlin big maga guy this is not the same man i voted for i honestly can't even recognize him anymore i am absolutely disgusted and absolutely disgusted betrayal maga boomers please wake up trump does not care about you then you have the factory closures like the north carolina goodyear plant as a result of tariffs and this was in a maga area i might add as well fayetteville north carolina seventeen hundred jobs lost because of tariffs you know it's because of tariffs as well when you read between the lines of what's going on and all donald trump cares about with all of this taking place is the reflecting pools and freedom two fifty and this and that and you know you've got trump's cabinet members like interior secretary doug burgum going on tv and saying things like this
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Interviewer/Host
here play this clip partisan but there are questions from democrats about where this private funding is coming from and it's not transparent do you think that that should be opened up to the public so that people see where it's coming
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Doug Burgum
from i think transparency is always a good thing and of course i i work for the president that i think is the most transparent ever i mean who there's not a ceo in the country that invites the entire press pool into their board meetings and we haven't we haven't had a cabinet meeting in the first six so you're going to
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Interviewer/Host
make the donors to freedom two hundred
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Doug Burgum
fifty public well that's up to the freedom two hundred fifty organization and their arrangements you're a leader there right the freedom two hundred and fifty organizations run out of the white house but it is not a it's not about the transparency of the donors and it's just it is a again i'm again how
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Ron Filipkowski
utterly ridiculous is that or you have jim jordan maga sycophant going on tv and saying this play this clip so
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Political Analyst
i do think when you step back that's the big difference here president trump who is as sharp as could be same age as joe biden but his health is in great great condition and his mental acuity is as strong as ever versus joe biden and they were treated differently because of that i don't know that that makes sense and again it's one of the reasons i think it's important we get this information biden
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Ron Filipkowski
this biden that enough enough people are sick and tired of this and the maga movement is crashing i want to bring on someone named phil weiser i'm sure you know phil wiser he's the attorney general in colorado someone who has held donald trump accountable who has exposed donald trump's criminality grift fraud a true fighter for the people let me bring in phil weiser right now he's running for governor of colorado to talk about how you fight against this maga mess this trump fraud let's bring him in phil weiser running for the governorship of colorado great to see you phil all eyes are on colorado right now after the current governor governor polis pardoning tina peters you know which just felt like the ultimate betrayal and it's you know cozying up to trump it feels like it feels like backing down to these intimidation tactics and to me it creates a reward structure for this behavior to me which is patently fascist and when the bully is able to achieve the results through the bullying the bully doesn't go away the bully comes back for more and more and more so now in my view trump's saying you know what colorado's an easy mark i'm just going to go back and bully that state because they're going to back down and you've been standing up against donald trump you filed dozens and dozens sixty five plus lawsuits successfully against donald trump so he knows that's not the case but you're running for governor you talk to us about it's an odd moment to see this in colorado though at
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Phil Weiser
the governor's level well this has been a conversation that's been brewing between those who say we should try to accommodate make nice and those who say we should stand strong and fight for our principles one hundred years ago by the way colorado elected a governor billy adams who ran on a platform of standing strong against the kkk which in control of colorado we have a governor here ralph carr who stood strong against internment camps for japanese americans so there's a tradition in colorado of standing strong for our principles like many in our party i don't understand governor polis action to commute the sentence of tina peters for those who haven't paid attention to the story she broke the law she broke her oath of office she undermined the election equipment at a cost of millions of dollars i prosecuted her along with the republican district attorney dan rubenstein dan and i did this together because it was about the rule of law it's about protecting our elections it's about doing what's right those are colorado values those are american values i'm going to keep standing strong for them in this race i'm running against our senior senator michael bennett who voted for more of trump's cabinet than almost any democrat in the senate and we've had this debate where i've said why did you support for example brooke rollins an agriculture secretary and i've sued her four times twice because she tried to withhold snap benefits from six hundred thousand coloradans who needed that food one of those was during the shutdown a cruel effort another was actually part of the campaign to get us to relent on tina peters both times i went to court both times we won and i had to ask my opponent at a recent debate how much more damage would our agriculture secretary have to do to colorado before you would withdraw your support for her before you wouldn't stand by her he didn't answer the question this is a key moment for all americans what's the answer to a lawless bullying administration is it trying to make nice is it trying to accommodate or is it standing strong for the principles that we believe in and i believe deeply in the rule of law in our constitution i will never waver from defending it you know what
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Ron Filipkowski
we're seeing out of washington dc to me is something even beyond corruption to use the word corruption alone kind of dilutes it and puts it into this hey it's politics it's corrupt it's the machine which this is at a level where it has normalized frankly a a criminal cartel style you know rico enterprise that goes around and starts doing you know the three thousand seven hundred stock trades in quarter one while the ceo's are there in the white house with him while the the trump family is making all of this money and on government contracts before our eyes the crypto money the quid pro quos and then seeing how profoundly negatively it's impacting the people that while the focus is on enriching them the people are just getting so screwed and they see him doing reflecting pools and ufc stadiums and it's like i know you tell me from the perspective of people in colorado what the what the hell is this this
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Phil Weiser
is a moment in american history that we need to fight for what lincoln said our government is a government of the people by the people and for the people right now this administration is running a government of billionaires of big companies by big companies and billionaires and for billionaires and big companies i'll give you a couple examples we in colorado care about reasonable prices for concert tickets and don't appreciate having ticketmaster a monopoly jack up our ticket prices well this administration cut a sweetheart deal with ticketmaster and they dropped the antitrust case for a slap on the wrist because this administration pays attention to high priced lobbyists and who's in and they'll cut deals for their friends and they'll punish enemies my view i'm only in it for the people i'm not in it for the big companies for the out of state billionaires i'm taking ticketmaster all the way to court along with other state ags a bipartisan coalition we pressed on we won the case we're going to work to break up this company to fight for consumers who have been mistreated and consumers are going to notice who's fighting for you and who's cozying up to the big companies the trump administration is cozying up to all sorts of companies giving them all sorts of breaks me i'm fighting for people i'll stand against anyone who harms the people of colorado just another example this one point eight billion dollars insurrectionist slush fund that they say they want to support people like tina peters this is the opposite of what you might call the rule of law or justice and accountability what they're doing right now tina peters is a convicted criminal she was condemned widely she's going to get paid serious money for her crimes we need to stop this congress needs to do something about this because a department of justice that has been turned on its head to advance injustice to support the well off against those of us who are working hard to play by the rules it's so wrong it's so hard to watch
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Ron Filipkowski
right the republicans say well all we're allowing people like tina peters to do is to have a cause of action i mean the way they gaslight attorney general weiser it's just giving them a cause of action and then our commission will evaluate the claims and then we'll go from there it's like you know what they have they have something called a court system and when you're convicted in a criminal court system for felonies or even misdemeanors you don't then get to say you know what i may have been convicted but i should get paid the money as the person who gets convicted we have a system i was a civil rights litigator before starting this network and when you'd represent people who were wrong you would file a lawsuit it would go to federal court it would get assigned to a federal judge the judge could be the gatekeeper on summary judgment you would see if there are immunities that apply in certain government related cases if it get past it you go to a jury you convince the jury they award you money that's our system that's our system there are other countries russia north korea they've got different systems and so fundamentally what i appreciate about what you do in colorado but fundamentally to me the core issue is are we the united states because here's our system sure it gets messy it gets messy sometimes you know it's slower you know it's deliberative it's really but do you want this system or do you want the russia system or kim jong un like to me it's that existential right now and you're raised too it's that existential do you
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Phil Weiser
believe in the rule of law and everyone being protected by the constitution or do you believe in lawlessness and corruption and and the wealthy few and the powerful get what they want and the rest get screwed that's what this is all about let me just give you the ice example because it is very much like you said from another country if you said they're masked agents who are grabbing people off the street and sending them to other countries with no legal process with no right to be heard with no determination about their legal situation you would say that can't happen in the united states of america well this administration has that very agenda and we saw in minneapolis the ugly face and the ugly side of what's happening and people were horrified we need to channel that horror that outrage against this administration and get engaged everyone can find their candidates you can find me at philforcolorado dot com as someone who stands up for what is truly the american way and you said it so well it's about making sure we protect everybody we give everybody due process of law we stand up for civil rights and we stand up against powerful companies that's the american way if you read the declaration of independence if you read the constitution it is a commitment to what i talked about earlier government of the people by the people for the people this administration is perverting it all because for them it's only about power it's only about rewarding people they say are their friends and punishing enemies in america it's about equal justice for all no matter who you are whatever political party rich or poor you've got a right to be treated fairly this administration is turning those values on its head we can't let them get away with it
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Ron Filipkowski
and i want to geek out with you a little bit from lawyer to lawyer because you said something there the constitution is a commitment and it is also kind of a contract it is a commitment it is by the people for the people and commitments contracts don't list every single term because you can't just list every single provision everywhere so contracts as you and i know involve implied covenants of good faith and fair dealing and this great american experiment heading into two hundred fifty years had a lot of implied covenants of good faith and fair dealing in the constitution when i teach law i said look how short this amendment is look at the first amendment look at this like these are not laws long things these they set out commitments and so when you're a commitment breaker and you say you know what i don't want to do that i think then you get into the zone where you go oh got it so here's how i'm not going to do court systems i'm going to create a commission on my own and they're just going to give out the money and it's like no that's that's not and and it requires i think people who think creatively to deal with this iteration of this fascism because it's coming at us from angles that i don't think the founders even anticipated or that logical law thinkers or professors or practitioners thought would come at us at this moment that makes sense it makes
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Phil Weiser
a lot of sense and when you think about these majestic phrases like due process of law let me tell you what it means everyone deserves to be treated fairly everyone has a chance to be heard which means if you're here as an immigrant the fourteenth amendment says you get due process of law and we need to have an immigration system that is sensible that's fair that's humane and under the law this is personal for me i am a first generation american my mom was born in a nazi concentration camp on april thirteenth nineteen forty five my grandmother's an amazing woman she was a hopeful person and she believed in the united states of america as a country that did treat everybody fairly that gave everybody freedom and an opportunity to succeed and my family the difference between my mom being born in that concentration camp and me i went to law school i worked for justice ruth bader ginsburg on the supreme court i worked as an advisor to president obaco barack obama in the white house i'm college attorney general i will be colorado's next governor that's one generation that's what america is about it doesn't matter who your parents are it doesn't matter if you know secret secret handshakes it matters are you willing to work hard are you willing to believe in the values of this country that's the america i know and love that's the america i'm fighting for that's on the ballot it's on the ballot in this election that i'm about to have in colorado other elections we the people can seize power and govern and preserve this republic we have a lot of work to
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Ron Filipkowski
do bill we got a primary coming up before the generals i know you're very busy we've got seven million subscribers here as well i know you're on the campaign trail going around the great state of colorado right now what's your final message to our audience and where can people learn more about the campaign
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Phil Weiser
wherever you are whether you're in colorado or elsewhere i encourage you to get engaged to find the type of leadership that you believe in you can get behind this is a moment for our republic to have leaders who are fearless who are fighting for people who know how to get stuff done i've been attorney general now for eight years i've taken on big pharma brought back about a billion dollars to colorado with the best framework to address the opioid crisis and anywhere in the us i'm fighting meta in federal court i'm leading a case of basically almost all the states it'll be this summer because of how they're harming our kids i've taken on the trump administration sixty five times and counting stopping their lawlessness leading on a number of important cases you can learn more about me the work that i've been doing the work i'm committed to do at philforcolo dot com i encourage you to share information from my social media accounts phil for colorado i encourage you if you can donate to our cause help us show this great republic what government of the people by the people and for the people looks like we've got a people power campaign i'm running against someone with a pac with out of state billionaires and companies but i'm doing it the grassroots way i've got coward indivisible behind me i've got lots of local elected officials state elected officials way more than my opponent because i believe in grassroots politics not washington establishment politics that's how we're going to win please join us phil for colorado
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Ron Filipkowski
dot com colorado attorney general phil weiser running for the governorship the great state of colorado an incredible state indeed great to see you phil great joining you thanks so much everybody hit subscribe let's get to seven million subscribers want to stay plugged in become a subscriber to our substack at midas plus dot com you'll get daily recaps from ron filipkowski ad free episodes of our podcast and more exclusive content only available at midasplus
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