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Four lines via virtual prepaid card. Allow 15 days qualifying unlock device credit service ported 90 plus days with device ineligible carrier and timely redemption required. Card has no cash access and expires in six months. First and foremost, Happy Thanksgiving. The Mycelus Family could not leave you and leave the Midas mighty community without a podcast on Thanksgiving, we had to do this one. And we've got some great news, I think, to report in Midas Touch world. We just got stats that Midas Touch surpassed Joe Rogan in viewership on video podcasts leading up to the election. That's pretty big news. We'll talk more about that. But I also want to talk about what's going on in the country and the world. Donald Trump got quickly schooled on the international stage by Mexico's president, Claudia Sheinbaum. Donald Trump beat his chest. He was loud and obnoxious, made all of these threats against Mexico. And then she held firm and she basically said, Donald, you don't know what you're talking about. She wrote this letter to him and I'll go over what she said in the letter. And then Donald Trump responded, I won. I got everything that I wanted. And then she responded, I truly have no clue what you're talking about. You didn't get anything different than what I said before we spoke. But however you want to feel, you could go and feel and you know, she's representing the sovereignty of Mexico. And we see that world leaders are not going to back down to Donald Trump. And I guess that may make MAGA people feel like, oh, we did it, we did it. We solved everything. You didn't solve anything at all. And it's important that we stick to the facts. Also, some good news to report. Some California Republican seats surprisingly flipping blue. Some seats that were not expected to flip boo flipped blue. Talking about California's 45th congressional district, we're talking about California's 13th congressional district. And previously we had called California's 27th congressional district flipping from red to blue. And so what this means with Donald Trump appointing a lot of MAGA Republicans in Congress to cabinet seats, at least until some special elections that are going to take place in about April, it's only going to be a 217 to 215 House majority for Republicans if things hold this way. And I think that we saw what happened when they had a bigger majority than that. So it's just going to take basically one Republican who's not going along with their playbook and they're not going to be able to get anything done at all. And the types of things that they're saying they want to get done, though. I really want to talk about it. I mean, you've got Jody Ernst, senator from Iowa, talking about, about make them squeal. We want to make the government squeal. You have Elon Musk running the Doge Committee. Just a made up fake agency that's not a governmental agency, but it's masquerading and pretending to be one. With Republican support. He says he wants to inflict economic hardship. And then you've got a new trade representative who was just appointed by Donald Trump, talking about decoupling the United States from China so that we will all feel short term pain in a decoupling as we go after China. I want to talk about this and more. I want to stick with the facts and I want to wish everybody a very happy Thanksgiving. And as I said at the outset, we couldn't do this Thanksgiving without holding a live podcast. So whether you're watching this on Thanksgiving or you are watching this the day after Thanksgiving or over the weekend or listening on audio, we just wanted to spend this time with you. Brett, Jordy, how are you?
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Brett Meiselas
Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. Always grateful for this community here, Grateful for the Midas Mighty. Grateful to be able to do this, to have this platform, to be able to use it for good. Grateful that our reach numbers are being noticed, although we'll talk about that more in a little bit. But I'm just grateful that the message is getting out there. Honestly, you know, it's now more important than ever that these messages are getting out there, that they're connecting with folks and that we're able to break through with the truth. As we see kind of, unfortunately, so many of these kind of corporate media channels and newspapers cower to Donald Trump and bend the knee. It's so important that we do not. It's. It's so important that we stick to our mission of telling the truth, of getting the facts out there, of being a check on power. And that's what we promise to do every single day. And thank you for letting us into your home. We are eternally grateful. And happy Thanksgiving to you and all your families. Jordy, how are you doing?
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Ben Meiselas
Happy Thanksgiving, y'all. So happy to be here. I saw the chat last week when I was given the programming note. People were a little bit surprised that I said that we were going to be doing a Thanksgiving Day pot. And we never miss a pot, especially Thanksgiving. We celebrate it with our family. And this is, this right here. The collective might is mighty. Y'all are family, you know that. We're not missing today. So happy Thanksgiving. We hope you're enjoying it. Benji, where do we want to start?
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Jordy Meiselas
Look, Teddy Roosevelt had something called the big stick policy. Walk soft and carry a big Stick, in other words, act like a statesman or a states person. But when you need to show power, you show power at the right time. Donald Trump, in my view, has the little stick policy whereby he acts obnoxious and beats his chest and makes all of these threats, but ultimately backs down. I mean, one of the fundamental things that I talk about sometimes when MAGA people are always like, but he's a businessman. In addition to telling him that he bankrupted all of his business, I'm like, he's not a good deal maker. He really isn't. Like, he's never made. He got daddy's money and then he basically did bad deals with all with that money. I mean, if he literally did nothing with his money, he'd be far richer than he was before he got elected. And for all the people who were like, he lost money. No, he didn't. He made far much more money while in the White House and after grifting on being the president than he did before. It's not even close. But why else would he need to do a show like the Apprentice if he was actually a real billionaire at the time? You wouldn't need to do that. And why would you, over the past four years, have to start selling NFT trading cards? And why, if you were the wife of a billionaire, would you, you be sending, selling $99 figurines of yourself if you were really all that wealthy? I mean, he's made his money now and his wealth off of basically selling off America. So a great example of him being not a good deal maker. And this is how he operates. As I like to say, the little stick policy is he makes some pronouncement on social media, like, do you think somebody like Jamie Dimon, you know, or Warren Buffett or other business leaders would erratically make pronouncements that could impact their bottom line on social media as a way of kind of commute, like in all caps. So that's what Donald Trump did earlier in the week. He says he's imposing a 25% blanket tariff on Mexico. On Mexico, Canada, and then an additional 10% tariff on China. He doesn't mention any other countries at all. So other than, you know, I mean, China is not a close ally. We're obviously very competitive with China, but Mexico is our number one trading partner and Canada is our other top trading partner. So for your very first pronouncement, you're not going after like, like other countries that are antagonistic to the United States. I mean, you're going after your top trading partner. In Mexico and you go after your top trading partner in, in Canada, you know, also a thing to know too. You know how like these Magas, like they, Viktor Orban in Hungary, despite the fact that like inflation was like 25% in Hungary, their entire GDP was like 120 or like $180 billion less than a lot of American corporate corporations. What do they also love? They love Argentina, right? Javier Millay. They love him. They say that's great. 53% poverty rate in Argentina. And over the past, whatever it was, year, year and a half, I think real wage growth in Mexico has increased about 25%, whereas wage growth in Argentina, negative 22%. And so there's actually a lot of good things that are happening in development in Mexico over the past few years under their previous president as well, who gave the handoff to Claudia Sheinbaum, its current president. So anyway, Donald Trump makes that post, he makes that threat. Claudia Sheinbaum, the President of Mexico, says, first off, you don't know what you're talking about. And then she says, okay, I guess we're going to have to feel mutual pain. And she writes this letter. And if I can, I just want to read the letter because I think it's so important that we stick with facts, right? And I don't want there to be things lost in translation. We have source documents of what the president of Mexico actually said to Donald Trump. So why should I paraphrase it? Let me just read it to you. It's not that long. It was written on November 26, 2024. And you can tell that these world leaders also like Claudia Sheinbaum, they already kind of have in their mind a plan of how you deal with a malignant narcissist like Trump. Like, you respond right away and you respond publicly. You don't let him seize the narrative. You get out in front of it right away. Probably some politicians in the United States that could, that could learn from an example right here, right? And then. And they know. And you know who was really good at doing that? Zelensky with Putin, I think was one of the models for how you deal with like these kind of blow hard tyrants who spread misinformation. You can see the battlefield of information.
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Brett Meiselas
You know what, let me give credit to somebody in the United States on this also, though. Pete Buttigieg has been fantastic at this, I gotta say. Like Pete Buttigieg, the other day, Don Jr. And Elon Musk were going back and forth and Don Jr. Was spreading just blatant lies about the electric vehicle charging program across America, basically saying falsely that there are only like eight or nine chargers that have been built with these billions and billions of dollars. And then Elon Musk, you know, joins in with Don Jr. Don Jr. Pete Buttigieg replies to Don Jr. And says, Everything you just said is a lie. And then Elon Musk puts the onus on Pete Buttigieg to explain the issue rather than the guy who just made it up to explain it. So he has to explain the facts rather than the fact that Don Jr. Did the lie. But then Pete Buttigieg did this long tweet thread and clarified everything. And then at the end of it, Elon Musk was like, oh, that's very interesting. Actually, didn't. Didn't know a lot of this. So I think thanks for sharing. And it's like, dude, you're the electric vehicle guy. You're the Tesla guy. Like, this is something that you should probably know and probably do know, but they just like to stir shit online, and they like to spread disinformation. And it's one of the things that they use Twitter or X for is to spread this disinformation. And so meeting people on these battlefields actually does become important, especially for world leaders to provide a check, because we're already seeing, and I know Ben is about to go over it in a second, how Donald Trump is going to weaponize social media in order to pretend like he is doing things that probably have already been done, in many cases have already been done by President Biden to take credit for things President Biden did, or to completely fabricate a situation between him and world leaders, he's going to use it as a disinformation machine. And so sometimes the only way to combat that is for just the truth to be flooded through those same systems in order to fight back. And that's what Claudia Sheinbaum did quite brilliantly here. I'll toss it back to you, Ben.
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Ben Meiselas
So real quick, and let's. Let's get really specific about Elon Musk real quick there, Brett, because it's very obvious that he knew what he was putting out there was false.
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Jordy Meiselas
Right?
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Ben Meiselas
He wanted to spread that misinformation intentionally to confuse the American people, to confuse the world. What Buttigieg did so brilliantly, too, in his response was how quick, how quickly it was done, and how efficiently it was done. Just like how Sheinbaum responded so quickly. You have to cut these things off at the head. Right?
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Brett Meiselas
It's a great point. We're in 2024, almost 20, 25. There's no time to go around a round and debate your response. There is no time to run this up the food chain and try to figure out is this the right word? Is that the right word? Maybe we should say it this way. Maybe. No, you got to get the message.
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Ben Meiselas
Out fast because people's lives are at stake. And it also reminds me of the FEMA spokesperson who spoke out very quickly when Donald Trump was spreading all that misinformation when we were getting hit with those hurricanes as well. It's all about the rapid response in a very quickly inefficient matter that people could very under quickly understand. Benji?
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Jordy Meiselas
Well, you talk about fema. The problem though is, is the distribution hose, right? We're going to be talking a little bit about, you know, where people are investing their dollars in kind of corporate media. All the attention Rogan is getting, you know, how then corporate media covers Rogan and all of those things. And one of the things that we've seen though is this you know, just very powerful kind of fire hose of lies though, that, you know, we do our part here on the Midas Touch network to bring on the fema, you know, the FEMA rep who tells us what's going on right away. But how corporate media then reports on it is that it's a both sides issue. On the one hand, you've got Donald Trump saying that FEMA is not giving people money and that they're actually helping illegal immigrants and not funding what they need to fund. Then on the other hand, you have the truth. It's one of the ways corporate media let us all down. So we have to build these structures, what we're building here. So here's the letter from Claudia Sheinbaum. Dear President Elect Donald Trump, I'm writing to you regarding your statement on Monday, November 25 concerning migration, fentanyl trafficking and tariffs. You may not be aware that Mexico has developed a comprehensive policy to assist migrants from different parts of the world to the southern border of the United States, parts of the world who cross our territory en route to the southern border of the United States. As a result, and according to data from your country's Customs and border protection protection CBP encounters at the Mexico United States border have decreased 75% between December 2023 and November 2024. Moreover, half of those who arrive do so through a legally scheduled appointment under the United States CBP1 program. For these reasons, migrant caravans no longer arrive at the border. Even so, it is clear that we must work together to create a new labor mobility model that is necessary for your country, as well as address the root causes that compel families to leave their homes out of necessity. Just pause there for a second. So one thing she's saying is already in the letter on November 26, migrant caravans are not a thing, okay? They're no longer. There's no such thing as migrant caravans anymore. So let's just stop that. And then she also says here, one of the things that we need to deal with is that you, we must work together to create a new labor mobility model that is necessary for your country. You know what she's saying there, right? Comprehensive immigration reform. She's basically talking about the bipartisan border deal. She's saying that because of the way your country doesn't deal with immigration the right way, you have lots of people who don't have papers, but they're integral to the labor market regardless. So you need comprehensive immigration reform. That's what she's schooling him on there, Right there. It goes on to say, even if a small percentage of what the United States allocates to war were instead dedicated to building peace and fostering development, it would address the underlying causes of human mobility. In other words, she's saying it's your fault. You spend all this money bombing other countries. If you actually focused on not spending money on bombs or less money on bombs and more money on dealing with your economy and helping people and dealing with this issue, it would be solved. You're the problem, Donald, is what she's saying. On another note, and for humanitarian reasons, Mexico has consistently expressed its willingness to help prevent the fentanyl epidemic in the United States States from continuing. Again, notice her language there. In the United States, Mexico is willing to help you deal with your problems. She's saying, right? This is, after all, a public health and consumption problem within your society. In other words, it's your country that's doing the drugs. It's not us. It's your country that's doing the synthetic drugs. So far this year, Mexican armed forces and prosecutors have seized tons of various types of drugs, 10,340 firearms, and have detained 15,640 individuals for violence related to drug trafficking. Furthermore, the Mexican Congress is in the process of approving a constitutional reform to classify the production, distribution and commercialization of fentanyl and other synthetic drugs as serious crime without bail. However, it is publicly known that the chemical precursors used to produce this and other synthetic drugs are illegally entering Canada, the United States, and Mexico from Asian countries. This underscores the urgent need for international collaboration. You must also be aware of the illegal trafficking of firearms into my country from the United States. In other words, she's saying, this isn't a Mexico to US Problems. These are Asian countries bringing this into all of our countries, and therefore, we need cooperation and not blaming each other. She goes on, and then she says, and by the way, you're putting illegal firearms into our country. 70% of the illegal weapon seized from criminals in Mexico come from your country. We do not produce these weapons, nor do we consume synthetic drugs. Tragically, isn't in our country that lives are lost to the violence resulting from meeting the drug demand in yours. President Trump. Migration and drug consumption in the United States cannot be addressed through threats or tariffs. What is needed is cooperation and mutual understanding to tackle these significant issues. For every tariff, there will be a response in kind until we put at risk our shared enterprise. So pause there. She's saying, for every tariff you do to us, we're going to do something to you that puts your country at risk as well. And then she gets very specific. Yes, shared. For instance, among Mexico's main exporters to the United States are General Motors, Stellantis and Ford Motor Company, which arrived in Mexico 80 years ago. Why impose a tariff that would jeopardize them, in other words? And why are you going after your own companies? Such a measure would be unacceptable and would lead to inflation and job losses in both both the United States and Mexico. I'm convinced that North America's economic strength lies in maintaining our trade partnership. This allows us to remain competitive against other economic blocs. For this reason, I believe that dialogue is the best, is the best path to understanding peace and prosperity for our nations. I hope our teams can meet to continue building joint solutions. Then immediately. Like all this MAGA propaganda was like she submitted. She's back down. She said she's going to close the border. She said she's given Trump everything she wants, which did not happen. But Trump started picking up on those social media posts because he's terminally on social media. So then he basically incorporates what those social media posts are saying, right? He goes, just had a wonderful conversation with the new President of Mexico, Claudia Sheinbaum Pardo. She's agreed to stop migration through Mexico and into the United States States, effectively closing our southern border. We also talked about what can be done to stop the massive drug inflow into the United States and also US Consumption of these drugs. It was a very productive conversation. He also writes, Mexico will stop people from going to our southern border, effective immediately. This will go a long way towards stopping the illegal invasion of the usa. Thank you. And he also posts, I will be working on a large scale United States advertising campaign explaining how bad fentanyl is for people to use. Millions of lives being so needlessly destroyed. By the time the campaign is over, everyone will know how really bad the horror of this drug is. To which she then responds right away. And she sets the record straight. Let's pull up her response right here. She says the following. She goes, in our conversation with President Trump, I explained to him the comprehensive strategy that Mexico has followed to address the migration phenomenon, respecting human rights. Thanks to this, migrants and caravans are assisted before they reach the border. We reiterate that Mexico's position is not to close borders, but to build bridges between governments and between people. Now, I don't know how you read this. It was important that I read every word there because I want you to see the full exchange that takes place. And I just, I don't get how someone looks at that by Donald Trump and goes, that's power. You know, and Perhaps in a 2024 social media age, you know, a President Biden needs to be going about every day, maybe 20 times. He should have just been bragging about everything. Going back to what I said at the outset, you know, the big stick policy of walk soft, be a statesman or a statesperson, carry a big stick when you need to. I mean, maybe those days are gone. But I just, I look at this Trump stuff and it's like, it's. Comical isn't the right word. I mean, it's, it's goofy. Like, like you just had a fake negotiation with yourself. You got, you got outmaneuvered and now you're posting it like, like, again, like, that's not tough. Like, that was, that was pretty weak. She was the tough person in that discussion.
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Brett Meiselas
It's completely humiliating, honestly, because, like, she so delicately basically said, america, this guy is a pathological liar. And everything he said to you was a complete, complete and total lie. And he is a total coward. And if we want to deal with this like adults, we can. And I am here to deal with it like an adult. And Donald Trump just looks so childish. I mean, it feels like a toddler in a way, like lying about what somebody said. And then the person has to be.
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Jordy Meiselas
Like, what are you talking about?
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Brett Meiselas
I didn't say any of that stuff. That's not, what do you, what are you saying? And if this is going to be a strategy, it's going to be something interesting to watch where Trump makes some sort of big proclamation. I'm going to do xyz. And then proclaims that he fixed the problem a day later on Twitter and says, all done. I did it. I did it, everybody. This border issue that we've been dealing with for decades and decades and decades, solved it with a tweet, everybody. Meanwhile, if you actually look at the data, because the data is important, you will see that border crossings are at its low. They're lower now than they were than when Trump was president. And that is thanks to the executive actions taken by President Biden. I know President Biden didn't want to have to take executive actions. He wanted to do it through a legislative means. And then done. Donald Trump blocked those, that legislation. He blocked the bipartisan border deal. And so Biden ultimately had to take it into his own hands. You know, I'm sure he wished he was able to do did the executive action earlier. He probably should have, quite frankly, but he's a guy who wanted to deal with things in the normal kind of way that we deal with issues, which is through bipartisan legislation. Donald Trump, the Republicans blocked it, and here we are. And now Donald Trump. I think every single day is going to try to take credit, credit for Joe Biden's accomplishments. And I want to make sure that we call out all of these, because this is going to happen constantly, constantly, constantly, constantly. As we look ahead to before Trump's presidency, obviously, and after he's inaugurated, when we see things like, you know, the stock market setting records like it is right now, when we see things, you know, like GDP growth staying strong, we saw a GDP report yesterday that showed 2.8% growth in the economy. As we see all these data, all this data, we're going to see Trump and the Republicans go along with all this bs, taking credit now saying, oh, George, you're so right. They're going to go right along with it. But Trump's going to go, I have the greatest economy in the entire world. It's the best stock market anyone has ever seen.
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Jordy Meiselas
This is the best that the lowest border crossings.
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Brett Meiselas
And it's like, yeah, because Biden handed it to you the same way Barack Obama handed it to you the last time, and you screwed that up, up. And it seems like, though, all of Trump's moves are trying to screw that up with whether it's the tariffs or these threats against countries. I mean, there was a report in Rolling Stone yesterday, or at least sometime this week, that Trump is Thinking about bombing Mexico. He's thinking about invading Mexico and bombing the cartels. And this is something that he's been obsessed with over the past few years and apparently even attempted his first term and had to be told by the military, like, we don't bomb our allies. That's a war crime. Actually is what the Secretary of Defense, Mark Esper, told Donald Trump at the time. Like, that would be a violation of international law. We can't just bomb other countries. We can't bomb sovereign countries. But it seems like everything Trump wants to do, all of his impulses are to cause chaos. But, you know, part of me feels like, you know, if he wants to do nothing and send out a tweet claiming he solved the problem, and we are allowed to just kind of skate by on Biden's economy and we know the truth and we call it the truth, part of me is like, okay, maybe that's the best case scenario of what happens, but it's important that we see through this BS because, Jordy, you are 100% right. He's going to do this. The media is going to go along with it. They're going to go, oh, it is a great economy. Everything is awesome. Oh, look, the border is down. Yeah, you should have been reporting on that last time. We already saw. I've seen a flurry of reports about this Thanksgiving. Speaking of the holiday today, speaking about how this is the cheapest Thanksgiving since 2021 in terms of prices and when you adjust it for inflation and spending power, consumer spending power, this is the cheapest Thanksgiving going back to like the 1980s or something like that. Where were these articles over the past.
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Jordy Meiselas
Where were these articles over this all.
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Brett Meiselas
This time, but now we're going to see more of that. I'm not sure if you guys saw that crazy morning consult study that came out that showed basically the day after the election, Republicans and Democrats flipped on their views of the economy, which just shows how it's so much about vibes. You had literally the day after Donald Trump was declared a winner, the Republicans all of a sudden said, the economy's great. Now everything's awesome. And meanwhile, the Democrats flip to, like.
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Jordy Meiselas
Yeah, maybe it's not so good.
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Brett Meiselas
And it's just an interesting kind of study in human psychology and kind of shows you also a bit like how kind of BS a lot of these polls are because they're not dealt with in facts, but they're dealt with in vibes. But, you know, I think that's important.
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Jordy Meiselas
Why?
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Brett Meiselas
Why the truth is so important. And why it's crucial that we are getting out the message that we continue to build these platforms. And to that end, I hope you all subscribe here on YouTube. I hope you all subscribe to the Midas Touch Podcast on audio. Help us get those audio numbers up, up, up. We are beating Joe Rogan. We are beating every network under the sun and beyond it on video. Video views across the Internet. But we got to do that on audio also. So subscribe to the Midas Touch Podcast on audio. Subscribe to the Midas Podcast. Midas on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen. Go ahead, do that.
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Jordy Meiselas
Ben patreon.com Midas Touch1 of the ways you can support the growth of this independent media platform. Earlier this week we did our Patreon Zoom meeting. So great to see everybody at that Zoom meeting. So if you want to ever meet us, we're doing them, we're trying to do them weekly now, those meetings. So, so patreon.com Midas Touch let's take our first and only quick break of the show.
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Ben Meiselas
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Ben Meiselas
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Jordy Meiselas
Thank you everybody for joining us on this Thanksgiving edition of the Midas Touch podcast. We can officially say that the Midas Touch video podcasts get more views than Joe Rogan. This was in week Ad Week posted that Joe Rogan's that this was the title of the Ad Week article. Joe Rogan Audience growth shows expanding power of Video Podcasts. And it goes on to talk about the methodology that was used. And it goes on to say how great the Joe Rogan podcast video ratings are. Of course, this was also during the month where Rogan got the interview with Donald Trump, which is one of the bigger interviews that all the media coverage covered over and over again. And by the way, I don't think you could turn on any corporate media without them saying the name Joe Rogan over and over again. It also just goes to show you how like corporate media is just absolutely obsessed with right wing narratives in general. Like they, it's one of the fundamental issues too. We talked before about, Brett, you mentioned the vibes and all of these things and you said, well now all of a sudden there's like a vibe shift and Republicans are now like, well, the economy's good, good. Well, they've been lying. The truth is that the economy was pretty good. All the objective metrics were that. But the corporate media buys into all the right wing vibes and they're really. And, and it was reported as though we were in some like Great Depression. And that's not to suggest that everything's great for everybody. That's not to suggest that we should underestimate, you know, people's struggles or not be compassionate towards those things. But oftentimes wage disparities between workers and their bosses, those are problems that are caused by Republicans. Price gouging is a problem caused by Republicans. And so the angst was actually caused by Republican policies. What Biden could control, he did effectively. And that actually led to a bottom up, middle out economy. But, but again, when I, when I think about just the framing of that article, you take a look at the graph and it's like Midas and Disney are tied at number one. Okay, Disney's got a market cap of like $215 billion. Right. And the Midas Touch market cap is about $215 billion less than that. Okay, so you know, and then you got Rogan, who's, who's, who's got like a 250 million dollar a year deal or something crazy like that. And then you've got msnbc. And then you've got Fox right there, like I kid you not. Other than the graph which shows us, number one, and it's an article that's going on and saying how great Rogan is, you know, and how Rogan does better than all of these corporate media giants that have billions of dollars, even though he gets hundreds of millions of dollars. Like there's not a. There's not a single reference to the fact that we were beating him. I mean, but the chart shows we're beating him because we are. And we were.
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Brett Meiselas
I'll read from this.
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Jordy Meiselas
Just a funny framing. I don't mean to spend the rest of the show talking about that or.
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Ben Meiselas
No, I think it's important to talk about it because the framing is utterly ridiculous. And I think we should stop talking about it, quite frankly, in my honest opinion. And Brett, I'll kick it to you so you could read more about it. Hey, look, I'm okay. I. I'm kind of okay with, with this corporate. Because I'm so used to this now. I'm so used to them just overlooking the Midas mighty community, the Midas Touch Network. It's comically intentional at this point. And look, again, I'm fine with it. Keep ignoring us, right? Because we're going to appear right next to Disney freaking Junior with 1.3 billion YouTube views on our podcast network. And then you go over to Rogan and the whole article's about him then. Look, I'm not jealous. That's fine, man. Hey, good for you. Whatever.
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Jordy Meiselas
That, that's awesome.
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Ben Meiselas
Great work, Joe. But the funniest thing to me is Ad Week, which is not a right wing publication. I come from the marketing world. Pre Midas. I did marketing. That award, right? That's one of my marketing awards. That's that I actually was able to win in my marketing career. And it was a huge deal to appear on Adweek. So Adweek's not like this right wing platform, but it's as corporate of corporate media that it can be. And so their framing to me is just utterly hilarious about how this podcaster, this Joe Rogan podcaster, is out punching corporate media and how he's getting all these amazing views and literally right next to him doing better is another podcast and another podcast network, the Midas Touch Network. Comically intentional. Brothers.
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Brett Meiselas
And I, I want to be also clear, I'm not going after Joe Rogan, right? At all. Like, honestly, congrats to Joe Rogan. These are incredible video numbers. They're. They're amazing. They're they're not as good as Midas Touches Video numbers, but they're, they're incredible. They're great video numbers. And you know, of course, I'll also concede that Joe Rogan has an extremely large audio presence and, and crushes it on a Spotify audio podcast. 100%. But this article is about the growth of video on the Internet. And so when we speak about the growth of video and you have this chart that shows Midas Touch and Disney tied for number one. And the way that they are, the way that they are discussing this is based upon minutes watched across YouTube and Facebook. So video. So the amount of time people actually spent watching these platforms, Midas Touch is number one along with Disney and Joe Rogan is second. Yet the whole framing of this article is about how Joe Rogan has now surpassed the mainstream media and surpassed all the other channels. And that's where I, you know, my issue is not with Joe Rogan at all in this regard. My issue is with the framing of the corporate media who just loves to talk about certain things and just likes to just ignore certain things for some reason. I mean, how many articles, think pieces have we seen in the New York Times, in various papers, on the news over the past few weeks since the election? Have we heard things like, oh yeah, you know, pro democracy people, they need their, you know what they need? They need their own platforms, they need their own, you know, version of Joe Rogan. And then like they completely leave Midas Touch out of the conversation. And, and you're like, I, I. And so I, I'm just left here like, am I missing something? Like I, like, I don't know what else. Are you just scared of us? You don't want to speak about us because we're competing with you because hello, hello. We're doing more views than him.
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Ben Meiselas
But Brett, it is exactly that. It is because we're not tied to any corporate interest or have any of these executive stakeholders or shareholders. This is a people powered movement led by you, the listeners, you, the Midas mighty. And that strikes fear into all of these corporate.
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Brett Meiselas
You know what it is also, Jordy? It's speaking about corporate entities to piggyback off exactly what you're saying. Here's what I think I've realized also is we here at Midas Touch, like what you see is what you get. We have a great staff, a great team, a great engine behind us, a great team of editors and producers and, and writers and things like that. We don't do publicity. Like we don't have A publicist. And these other people all have publicists. And I think that plays into it a little bit where they are kind of pitching stories about them. And so like, you know, there's how.
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Ben Meiselas
You get the hilarious story about Megan Kelly's impressive, incred, incredible, astonishing numbers on herself. And it's like she does a fraction of what the Midas Touch network.
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Brett Meiselas
We've never, we've never run, we've never run an ad about the network. We've, we've never did any promotion. We have, we have. Our marketing budget is $0. And we're going against people who do have big marketing budgets and people who have publicists who quite frankly are tied to, you know, you may have the. I bet if you looked at Megan Kelly's publicist, for example, I bet she also represents a lot of other people in the media who. And they have all these relationships to pitch stories. Like Megyn Kelly is just straight up crusher. She's nowhere even be found on these charts.
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Ben Meiselas
And again and again, I'm, I'm, I'm totally okay with it.
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Jordy Meiselas
I am.
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Ben Meiselas
Because you know what? The work is more important than the accolades to me.
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Brett Meiselas
Right?
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Ben Meiselas
The Midas Touch community, this pro democracy community. It's never an ego driven, like, we never make this stuff about us. It is just comically intentional when we see it time after time that like, like, we just have to talk about it on this episode because we addressed.
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Brett Meiselas
We, we, we, we, we should go on these tangents. We should go on these.
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Jordy Meiselas
I like that.
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Brett Meiselas
I like those.
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Jordy Meiselas
Good, good tangent. We addressed it. Let me deliver some good news for you. Rudy Giuliani almost crying outside of the courthouse earlier this week. Let's play it.
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Brett Meiselas
Reality is, I have no cash. It's all tied up. So right now, if I wanted to call a taxicab, I can't do it. I don't have a credit card. I don't have a checking account. I have no place I can go take cash out, except a little bit that I saved and it's getting down to almost nothing. I have a business. I can do business expenses, but I'm very careful about that because God forbid I should make a mistake between a personal and a business expense, unlike Hunter Biden and I go to jail right away.
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Jordy Meiselas
Okay? There's so much to unpack there.
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Brett Meiselas
I can't just say, ben, I'm gonna start using that as. I'm gonna save that sound. And anytime, like, if you're like, hey, Brett, like you got a couple bucks? Like, I, I forgot to go to the atm. I'm just gonna be like, reality is, I have no cash. It's all tied up.
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Ben Meiselas
It's funny how our brains work, because I was thinking that we should need to clip it like that.
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Jordy Meiselas
And then Julian is like, listen, you're Shane Lesson Shane. I've got no cash. You see, I got no cash. I got no cash. At the end. At the end of the day, it's not like if I were Hunter Biden. Dude, Hunter Biden is convicted of felonies. Like, what kind of example? Like, I wish you got the Hunter Biden. Hunter Biden literally has sentencing soon.
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Brett Meiselas
Like, yeah, you got off easy compared to Hunter Biden.
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Jordy Meiselas
I'm not gonna pardon my son. Like, I, like Hunter Biden, like, suffered from drug addiction. Like, I genuinely feel bad for the dude after, like, everything that he's gone through. And they literally went after Hunter to go after his dad. But, like, that's the example that you give the guy who. Who. Who the Justice Department was actually weaponized against, who got convicted of felonies that. For things that nobody else would ever be charged with. A tax fraud charge.
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Brett Meiselas
What?
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Jordy Meiselas
He actually paid back his tax. And they. And they charge for filling out a form saying that he was not on drugs during a time period when he was on drugs. Being prosecuted by a special counsel with a Trump agenda where people believe that people should have AR15s, like, wherever they want to do. Like, just think about that. Hunter's charge. And I just randomly digressing here. So if you were drinking beer and if you were drunk and then like, the next day or, you know, you then go buy a gun, that's a felony. And they charged Hunter basically with that. You should have said that you were a drug addict on the Forbes. You checked the box? No. And. And Hunter got convicted on that. So that's the Rudy Giuliani news. Other good news to report in the House of Representatives. Earlier in the week, we heard that Adam Gray, the Democrat running against Republican incumbent John Duarte in the Inland Empire area. It's California, 13th congressional district. Some ballots from Merced were coming in. By the way. It. I'm from California. Objectively, we should figure out this process because it is takes.
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Ben Meiselas
Yeah, we.
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Brett Meiselas
Yeah, we got it. We got to talk about this.
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Jordy Meiselas
We got.
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Brett Meiselas
We got it.
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Jordy Meiselas
Really?
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Brett Meiselas
California.
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Jordy Meiselas
California. What the. Okay, you gotta count these votes. Okay. That's why.
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Ben Meiselas
That's why I live. That's why I live in Pennsylvania.
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Brett Meiselas
This is.
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Ben Meiselas
What are you guys doing over there?
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Jordy Meiselas
There?
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Brett Meiselas
Let me just say it is one.
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Jordy Meiselas
Of the most Popular. And then there's a lot of like ballots from out of the country. There's like a lot.
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Ben Meiselas
The election was like a month ago.
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Jordy Meiselas
What are you doing?
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Ben Meiselas
What are you doing?
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Brett Meiselas
Yeah, okay, I'm. Put my foot down here. California, you got to get your together. And this is like a district too. This is like a statewide one district, one district.
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Jordy Meiselas
And. And so the Democrats pulled ahead and it looks like Adam Gray is going to go on to win this flipping a red seat blue. We see the same thing earlier in the week on the 45th congressional district. Derek Tran beating Michelle Steele, the MAGA Republican turning that red seat blue. And then Democrat George whiteside in California's 27th congressional district that was held by MAGA Republican Mike Garcia, who was, this is a big stain. Mike Garcia was in, in the Los Angeles area. Real MAGA extremist. And that seat flip. So to be fair, California held all of its congressional seats and flipped three red states blue or three red seats blue, which is some good news to report. So what that means is given Donald Trump appointing a lot of these magazine Congress to his cabinet until special elections take place, for example, in Florida and other states right around the April period, period, it's only going to be a 217 to 215 majority. So like quite literally, if one or two people just don't show up, Democrats can take control of the House right away. If something happens to a MAGA Republican, Democrats could take it. It's very, very narrow.
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Brett Meiselas
There was a point there where I was wondering, because we kept seeing like pick after pick of Trump pulling from the House of Representatives. And I think I texted you guys, I was like, is he trying to purposely throw the House? Is he purposely trying to flip the House? Because I think Trump always needs somebody to blame about Trump from the very beginning.
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Jordy Meiselas
Right?
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Brett Meiselas
And he'll always find somebody to blame, don't get me wrong. But he'll blame the deep state, he'll blame the rhinos, he blames the Democrats, you know, he'll blame whoever he needs to blame. But I think the fact that, you know, even narrowly right now that the Republicans are going to control the House, that Republicans are going to control the Senate, that he has the White House, everything is going to fall on them. And so part of me, I had this like conspiracy theory. I'm like, is he trying to flip the House? So he has, so he could blame the Democrats a little on this because it was just so bizarre. But it's going to be very tight, you know, for, for all these things. But I think the lessons that we have learned is, and this is a big difference, I think, between Democrats and Republicans, that if this were the Democrats that had a like one or two vote lead in the House, they would be like, okay, how do we work together? How do, how do we work together to solve our problems here? Let's, let's work across the aisle and let's get things passed. Republicans are just so brazen and they like just double down on their extremism and they don't try at all to do that, you know, is something that, you know, I think we've noticed over these past few years when they've had a very slim, you know, narrow majority.
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Jordy Meiselas
I want to talk more briefly, though, about the Doge Agency, this fake governmental agency which is masquerading as a real government agency. It'll be interesting from a legal perspective, you know, given the representations made, you know, if it has quasi governmental agency status, status based how it's representing itself, it then kind of triggers certain public requirements. So one of the things that fascinates me is if you're a quasi governmental agency, for example, you know, and I should do hot takes on it, but it's something that's been ruminating in my mind, which is public records requests, for example, should you now get access to all of Elon Musk and Vivek Ramaswamy's emails that they're sending in their text messages and their direct messages, have they now made themselves into governmental actors? And so rules like that apply. So, and there's a lot of other implications if you're a public entity. One of the things that Vivek Ramaswamy posted, I did a whole video on this as well, to show that, like, literally every one of his posts is just so hypocritical. He goes, governmental support for non government organizations is an oxymoron. Like, isn't that quite literally what Doge is like, the non governmental entity then?
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Brett Meiselas
I've also seen him say multiple comments like, we need to stick it to these unelected bureaucrats should not have our say in our government. It's like, bro, you're the unelected bureaucrat who is trying to have the most power over our government. Everything they do is just so hypocritical.
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Jordy Meiselas
You know, and then you have people like, so one of the things that they're, that they've done, you know, because these Republicans can be so easily bought out, is they recognize that Joni Ernst from Iowa was one of the biggest critics of Donald Trump's. Cabinet picks like Pete Higgs, Sith and others. She wanted that position. So now they're making her the head of the. Like. All you have to do, apparently, you know, to buy off these Republicans is, like, just give them social media attention. So they've made her the Senate liaison to the Doge Committee. And so she goes, I'm partnering with the Doge Committee. She has a $2 trillion blueprint. Okay. Most of our money goes to national defense spending, and it goes to Social Security and health care. So when you're going to cut $2 trillion, where do you think that's going? If they're like, we got to slash the hundreds of billions of dollars in Medicare fraud. I mean, so stipulated. I agree with that. But that doesn't get you to 2 trillion to $2 trillion. And you know who's committing that Medicare fraud? You may want to look at your mega Republican Senator Rick Scott, who settled the biggest Medicare health fraud. That's how he made his money. Money. He settled it. He invoked the Fifth. He got a golden parachute for his company for the amount of $300 million. And his company, like, pled guilty and, like, settled the case for billions of dollars with the federal government for engaging in the biggest Medicare fraud scam. So it's just notable when you, when you, like, just take a look at the language they're using, too, from Doge. It's all performative, but it's also, like, deeply alarming, too. Like, Joni Ernst, her hashtag is make them squeal. Like, make who squig? Like, you want to make people squeal. I mean, people who rely on Social Security and Obamacare, you make them squeal. Remember that line? Because, you know, that's something that I want to make sure we're clear. Like, oh, you're trying to make me squeal. And then Donald Trump's pick, Jameson greer as his U.S. trade representative. Enough. I mean, these people have these, like, they have these ideas that are cooked up in these laboratories of oligarchy and autocracy, as my friend David Pepper would say. And they're not practical. Like, he, this trade secretary, this trade rep, he's talked about decoupling the United States from China, in other words, making the United States not use Chinese products. Like, so what are we talking about? Like, people know where iPhones get made. And the part. So how are you going to decouple this? Like, what is that even going to look like? And you take a look at what he says, and his exact language is, while there's no silver bullet. And in some cases the effort to pursue strategic decoupling from China will cause short term pain. And so what if you take a look at the language of these billionaires and agents of these billionaires, they keep on using this language over and over again, again. And I want to be very clear about what that language is. Right. Elon Musk talks about hardship. We need to inflict hardship on us. What Argentina is doing is great. 53, 53% poverty rate is great. No, no, no, it isn't. This guy, the trade rep. Greer, talking about short term pain, make them squeal. You know, call me old fashioned, but, but you know, for me, going back to what we said at the beginning of the show, I like politics and statesmen and stateswomen in the, you know, I like that big stick policy. I don't want obnoxious, loud people who are paper tigers when it really comes down to it, who, who can't back up what they're actually doing and threaten people and bully people, but deep down are weak. Perhaps I'm old fashioned in the age of social media. Maybe that's why, why, you know, Ad Week talks about Joe Rogan because he makes a bunch of, you know, hyperbolic, conspiratorial, you know, misogynistic at times, you know, kind of statements. And maybe, you know, in a social media age you got to get attention. Look at me, look at me. You know, maybe we're just not, maybe you need to do more of that right now. But I call me old fashioned. I like people who walk soft, who act mature, who behave like adultery and back up what they're saying with real power when the time is right. And for me, government and things that are functioning should not be about inflicting pain on our own people or on our trade partners. I mean, to me, you know, governance should be about like helping people and lifting people up and not knocking people down, not making them squeal. It should be lending a hand. How can we help? How do we figure out these situations together and make sense of the complexity of the world that we live in? That's, that's my view of things and that's what, that's what we stand for on the Midas Touch network. This is going to be, you know, real serious talk. We go through stats, we go through data, we go through charts, I go through legal filings, I go through the footnotes. You know, and again, maybe that's not, I mean, clear, clearly more people are watching it. We see this stats that we than the other networks. But perhaps corporate media still doesn't, doesn't think that that's what people care about. I don't know. But to me, that's what I, I want to know the facts. I want to know the data. I want to see it. That's what we're going to provide here all the time. I want to remind everybody patreon.com Midas Touch. You can meet me, Brett and Jordy on these zoom chats that we're doing. And I want to wish personally everybody a happy Thanksgiving.
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Brett Meiselas
Brent, Happy Thanksgiving to everybody. And please remember to add the Midas Touch podcast anywhere you get audio. Audio, a podcast. Now I'm dead set now on catching up on, on the audio because we've conquered in the video. We got to get there in the audio. So there's a lot of people watching this right now live along with us. Go ahead to Apple Podcast to Spotify. Add the Midas Touch podcast on both. Send it to your friends and family as well. Have them add the Midas Touch podcast. Let's continue to increase our position in the landscape, not because we're obsessed with numbers, but because we want to be able to get these messages out there. And I'm tired of these think pieces day in and day out going, oh, where's where all the messengers, where are they going to be? Well, we're right here. We're not going anywhere. We're just getting started. You're a part of this. Let's build this community bigger and better than ever this Thanksgiving. I just want to reiterate that I am so thankful for all of you. From the bottom of my heart, thank you for making us the number one channel in the United States. Thank you every single day for giving us a reason to fight, a reason to wake up and making us feel optimistic about the future of our country and showing that we could do it in a way that is hon, that is even handed and that is righteous. I really appreciate it. Thank you very much. And then I'll toss it to Jordy to sign us out.
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Ben Meiselas
Shout out to the Midas mighty.
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Brett Meiselas
Standing.
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Ben Meiselas
Strong.
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Brett Meiselas
Against the fascists. We sing our song.
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Jordy Meiselas
We will get it right.
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Ben Meiselas
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