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Ben Mesalis
See terms A stunning admission by the Trump regime in little notice court documents where federal officials said that they intentionally halted billions of dollars in funding for energy projects to states based solely on a single criteria. Was it a state that voted for Donald Trump? They were able to keep the funding for energy projects even though Donald Trump railed against those projects. Was it a state that voted against Donald Trump? Then all of the funding would be stripped away. That was the criteria that was used now. This was a lawsuit brought against the Department of Energy. Erwin Chemerinsky is one of the lawyers on this case. The well known constitutional lawyer and and and law dean. Here's how it's reported in the Times. Hat tip to Tony Rome and Brad Plummer When Trump regime canceled more than 7.5 billion in Biden era federal grants for clean energy projects in October, it framed the move as urgent and corrective to protect taxpayer funds from waste. Because Donald Trump said that we just
Harry Lippman
need big beautiful coal.
Ben Mesalis
We don't need any of this other energy stuff out there. Meanwhile, those were boosts for jobs and for cheaper energy. But what we now see is in little notice court documents that were recently filed and unearthed, federal officials acknowledged that they had terminated the funding. Funding based solely on political criteria. Were you a Trump voter or a Harris Biden voter or a Harris voter in 2024? It shows how Donald Trump weaponized the provisions of federal education, energy, health, housing and infrastructure aid in his second term like we know he did. And when you look through these documents you'll see basically a spreadsheet and a chart that goes into this. In October, the White Budget Office led by Russell Vogt terminated only 284 of these grants. In a social media post announcing the news vote pointed out the motivations were this was $8 billion in green new scam funding to fuel the left's climate agenda. We're canceling it. Months later in court filings, federal officials indicated there was little else that had informed the final decision, just a broad termination in general and overturning of the policy. With one exception. A lawyer for the Energy Department conced the two hundred and eighty four terminated grants had a recipient location and or at least one place of performance in a state that awarded its electoral votes to Kamala Harris in the 2024 elections and has two Democratic caucusing senators. The lawyer acknowledged that none of the grants were included in the October terminations based on any programmatic statutory, cost reduction or performance based factor. In contrast, the administration left untouched hundreds of additional energy grants in states that were represented by Republicans that had had back Trump in the last election, even though the Energy Department recommended canceling them. The government confirmed in the July court filing. The article goes on to talk about how it's a broader effort to try to pressure people not to vote for Democrats. You know what it reminds me of as well is, you know, the way Donald Trump wields the tariffs. It's destructive and it destroys, you know, people here in the United States. It also, you know, because we pay the taxes. It's a tariff is a tax gets passed on the consumer. But it also creates a major barrier for the country that you're putting the tariff against even though it's paid by the importer in the United States. So Donald Trump tries to wield that because he doesn't care about people in the United States. Trump just wants to use tariffs as a way to alter the Western hemisphere or the rest of the world's behavior. So he's willing to just have mutually mutual pain for everybody. So Donald Trump will put tariffs on Brazil and he'll say because the people of Brazil didn't vote for Jair Bolsonaro, the insurrectionist former president, until you vote for the Bolsonaro's kid. I'm going to hurt you. And I'm going to reward places like Ecuador or El Salvador where they have Trump dictators in these countries. This is his whole M.O. with everything right here. And ultimately everybody loses, though. I mean, we live in a globalized world, whether we like it or not. A lot of all of this stuff is interconnected. And, you know, you think you're like, let's just even take Donald Trump at his, you know, he executes the plan, he hurts the blue state. Guess what I mean? These, the energy grids, energy in general, the economy, it's interconnected though, too. You know, you screw these states, you're gonna ultimately trickle down and screw those states, and ultimately you screw everybody, no matter what. There's that point. But I wanna bring in Harry Lippman from The Talking Feds, YouTube channel, substack and podcast. Because the more broader point is that this is why Trump hates courts. Because finally, in a court of law where these lawyers who had to show up, they still have a bar card, they ostensibly want to practice law when Donald Trump's no longer in office. They don't want to be referred to the bar after being grilled by the judge. And after good lawyers on the other side, like Chemerinsky and his team are out there getting these documents, it's uncovered. Got it. You're a liar. You guys lied. And all of this thing that you said, that you think all of this energy is bad. No, no, no, no, no. You are good for the projects in the red states, by the way, which former President Biden authorized. I interviewed Biden December 2024, and he told me how proud he was that a lot of these energy projects benefited red states also. That's what he. That's the kind of person he was. And blue states. But he goes, a lot of it benefited red states. So what Trump do, screwed the blue states, keep the red states, but then pretended he hated all the. All of these projects. Harry, what do you make of it all?
Harry Lippman
That's the kind of person every president is. Ben, It's a. It's a cliche that a president is the president for all people, those who voted for her or him and those that didn't. And it's always been true, even with people who kind of a little bit shady at the edges. Until this guy. And it's the deepest irony because you have his lawyers going into court again and again and asserting an unprecedentedly broad notion of executive power. And what do they say? What does Todd Blanche say for why Trump can bring a reprisal prosecution? Article 2. Article 2. Article 2. What does Article 2 say? His constitutional core responsibility is? Take care that the laws be faithfully executed. It's not take care that the laws be faithfully executed in the red states only. Every time he does this, it's a government discrimination on the basis of viewpoint, about as serious a dereliction and a no, no third rail as you can find in government. But it's just the combination of he gets all the power to what, to literally govern for 32% of the state or whatever Maga is these days. It, you know, is, is very revealing. Let me, let me put it that way. And then how foul. Right. The, you know, the, the actual way of going about things like illegal. I think it's illegal. We don't ask if it's criminal anymore because you can't be investigated for a crime. But I'm here to tell you, when you're talking about what government can't do, discriminating on the basis of viewpoint is top of the charts. There's almost never an instance in which government can take action based on the viewpoint. What is the viewpoint? Well, for starters, Republican versus not Republican is based on the viewpoint. But, you know, even beyond that, this kind of parceling out of winners and losers, you know, with, with these programs and of tremendous power and influence over people's lives, it's, it just, you know, makes you want to gag. It's, you know, a, a spoil system run amok. And of course, that's been his approach like root and branch everywhere, from whom he hires to what kinds of, you know, programs he's for, to whom he nominates and the like. So, you know, the whole thing, I want to underscore this viewpoint discrimination and why it's flat out as, as taboo as anything government does. And just like anything else, he gets away with it because who is going to challenge him in the court, courts, etc. Etc. One final point. You know, people ask, why do people stay at doj and what can they do? This kind of going in to a court, tail between your legs and saying, oops, here's the real reason I didn't tell you that before. That's what comes with the territory of these sort of illegally charged Trump cases. And if they're least legit, you just almost have to feel for these lawyers in the last day, the lawyers who first asked for subpoenas from the New York Times had to go back in to Judge Subramanian and say, oops, we forgot even to mention that the subpoena recipients were reporters. And the judge went berserk, as he should have, and dismissed the case. Or in Minnesota, these guys had to tiptoe back and say, oops, I know the AG came to town and said this was a very dangerous person and published her photograph, which they never should have done, and accused them of impeding law enforcement. And then it came time. The defendant, six months later, asked for a bill of particulars. And here's some lawyer who had to go in and say, oops, the government has looked a little bit more closely at it, and it turns out that maybe our probable cause analysis was wrong at the time. And the screaming point that any judge would make some shit like that would never happen. I mean, literally never, as in no time whatsoever in the old Department of Justice. But in each of these cases, you wonder, you're the lawyer here. How can it be that you go in in the first instance, in time, one to a court and don't mention this thing that's going to come on you like a ton of bricks? Oh, we're only doing it for red states. Oh, we're charging this person. But. But they haven't even looked at the probable cause to know that they're going to have to say, never mind. They, no, no supervisor looked at the subpoena applications for the New York Times. Pretty damn high profile motion and subpoena. To think you didn't mention that they were reporters. And the law says this. You know, those are the sorts of rookie mistakes a law clerk wouldn't make. Or if a law clerk did make it, she'd have to find another career. And this is the lot of the DOJ lawyers, many of whom, by the way, are the new crowd. They've been brought in to serve Trump and they have to go back, just humiliate themselves in front of the court by fessing up to something that, yes, it's terrible, but at a minimum, they could have known before instead of having to come back and make it look like, on top of everything else, we kind of pulled the wool over the judge's eyes. Just incredible stuff. And it seems to be happening weekly.
Ben Mesalis
Everybody subscribe to Harry Lippman's YouTube channel. It's called Talking Feds. When you see one of Harry's videos, go into those comments and say, wtf? Harry Ben says wtf? That's the title of the new book. I have my first book with my brothers. It's called WTF America? Pre order it right now. We'll put a link in the description below. It comes out October, but it helps if you pre order. And first and foremost though, go To Harry Lippman's YouTube, say WTF Harry. Ben says WTF. It's called Talking Feds. Let's get Harry. One million subscribers. Thanks Harry.
Harry Lippman
Thank you, Ben. And by the way, let's get Ben Mesalis down here to San Diego for a one on one discussion like we just had with Adam Schiff on that new book. And I think it'll be a fun time.
Ben Mesalis
Let's do it. Thanks everybody. Breaking news right now. My brothers and I wrote a book. It's called WTF America? And well, doesn't that just say it all? It comes out officially this October, but you can pre order your copy today. Just scan the QR code or click the link in the description below.
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Episode Title: Trump Gets Cornered and Admits $8 Billion Funding Scheme
Date: July 26, 2026
Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas
Guest: Harry Litman (Talking Feds)
In this explosive episode, the Meiselas brothers discuss the bombshell admission from the Trump administration regarding the political targeting of federal energy grants, stripping away billions from states that voted for Democrats while leaving Republican-leaning states untouched. The conversation draws out the broader implications for democracy, legal accountability, and the future of American governance, with expert legal commentary from Harry Litman.
[01:27 – 07:55]
Documented Political Retaliation: Ben outlines recent court filings revealing that the Trump administration canceled over $7.5 billion in clean energy grants, targeting only states that voted for Kamala Harris in 2024 — purely on political grounds.
No Legitimate Policy Grounds: Court documents reveal that these terminations were not based on project merit, statute, cost, or performance — only political outcome.
Coordinated Discriminatory Practice: Hundreds of grants benefiting Republican states remained in place, despite recommendations to cancel them, demonstrating a deliberate targeting of Democratic regions.
[06:34 – 07:55]
Weaponizing the Presidency: Ben draws parallels to Trump's use of tariffs to punish foreign populations who don’t support right-wing leaders, emphasizing Trump’s pattern of mutual pain to achieve political ends (“screw the blue states, keep the red states”).
Interconnected Consequences: Policy actions intended to punish certain states or groups invariably have nationwide repercussions due to the interconnected economy and infrastructure.
[07:55 – 14:12]
Violation of Presidential Duty: Harry underscores the foundational principle that the president serves all Americans, not just supporters, calling Trump’s actions an “unprecedentedly broad notion of executive power”.
Illegality and Lack of Accountability: Harry asserts that this is almost certainly illegal, noting that direct government discrimination based on viewpoint is “top of the charts” for prohibited conduct.
Demoralization Within DOJ: He details how these illegal acts force new DOJ lawyers into embarrassing positions in court, having to “fess up” to dubious legal justifications—a phenomenon happening “weekly”.
Spoils System Run Amok: Harry likens Trumpism to an unchecked spoils system where loyalty replaces merit throughout government.
On the unprecedented nature of Trump’s governance:
On the interconnectedness of punishing policies:
On White House lawyers’ humiliations:
This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking a deep, pointed, and at times darkly humorous exploration of the real-world damages of politicized governance—and what the US can do to hold power to account.