The MeidasTouch Podcast
Episode: Trump Gets Implicated by Top Cabinet Member Over Dark Past
Date: October 2, 2025
Overview
In this intense episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast, the brothers dive into explosive new claims from Howard Lutnick — former Trump Commerce Secretary and Jeffrey Epstein’s former neighbor — implicating Donald Trump in the ongoing Epstein scandal. The conversation exposes previously undisclosed details about Epstein’s “creepy” demeanor, the alleged awareness of Trump and other elites, and how the government shutdown may be linked to efforts to suppress the release of the Epstein files. The episode blends investigative insights, the latest news from Congress, and trademark Meiselas brother banter to keep democracy — and their loyal "MeidasMighty" following — at the forefront.
Key Discussion Points & Insights
1. Howard Lutnick’s Bombshell Revelations about Epstein and Trump (01:46–09:28)
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Background: Lutnick was Epstein's next-door neighbor in Manhattan around 2005 and gave a candid interview revealing his unsettling encounter with Epstein.
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Lutnick recounts visiting Epstein’s home at the invitation of Epstein’s assistant, being shown a living room with a massage table surrounded by candles, and Epstein’s suggestive comments.
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Lutnick's Reaction: He and his wife immediately left, and he vowed never to be alone with Epstein again. He claims he had no further contact with Epstein, either professionally or socially.
“My wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again.”
— Howard Lutnick (06:23) -
Lutnick insists it was obvious to anyone upon meeting Epstein that he was "gross,” challenging the claims of other powerful figures who say they didn’t know about Epstein’s crimes.
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He accuses Epstein of being a "world class blackmailer," who maintained influence and escaped serious punishment through blackmailing high-profile associates.
“This guy was the greatest blackmailer ever, blackmailed people. That's how we had money.”
— Howard Lutnick (08:20) -
When asked about Trump, Lutnick responds that he was “one and done” with Epstein, but that Trump was not — implying much greater closeness and knowledge.
“Trump knows the whole story. I was one and done with this guy. Trump was not one and done with this guy.”
— Howard Lutnick (09:15)
2. The Epstein Files, Blackmail Allegations, and the 2008 Plea Deal (08:32–09:16)
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Lutnick speculates the infamous 18-month sentence Epstein received was the result of trading incriminating videos he possessed on powerful figures.
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He suggests that "people on those videos" protected Epstein in exchange for their silence.
“Must have been a trade [for the videos] because there were people on those videos.”
— Howard Lutnick (09:09)
3. The Trump Government Shutdown and Congressional Maneuvering (10:30–13:13)
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The hosts argue that Trump is using the government shutdown to prevent the swearing-in of Democratic Congresswoman-elect Adelita Grijalva.
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Her swearing-in would provide the 218th signature necessary for the discharge petition to force a vote on releasing the Epstein files.
“Follow the money. Yep. And follow the Epstein files and you'll get an answer to a lot of what is going on right now.”
— Narrator (11:41) -
Democratic Congressman Jamie Raskin and others highlight the shutdown is being used as a pretext to stall the release of these files, with Democrats continuing to work in Congress while Republicans do not.
“…shutting the government down allows them not to swear in our new colleague Ms. Grijalva from Arizona, who would be the 218th signature to discharge the Epstein files…”
— Rep. Jamie Raskin (11:54)“We are going to resume health care for the American people and we're going to release the Epstein files.”
— Rep. Jamie Raskin (13:07)
4. The Money Trail: Wall Street & Epstein (13:13–16:34)
- The Wall Street Journal reports ongoing connections between Epstein and major banks/hedge funds until his 2019 arrest.
- Epstein’s estate has revealed over 20 banks maintained accounts for him or related entities; major institutions are now under scrutiny.
- Large-scale financial transactions continued, including $60 million moved into Honeycomb Partners between 2016–2019.
- Investment firms and banks consistently deny any personal or professional relationships with Epstein.
5. Congresswoman Adelita Grijalva Speaks Out (16:34–17:11)
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Grijalva appears outside the Capitol, unable to represent Arizona’s 7th district until sworn in; she calls out MAGA Speaker Mike Johnson for blocking her swearing-in and urges constituents to demand action.
“…every day that I am here without being sworn in, Southern Arizona loses. Reach out to Speaker Johnson. Let him know that I need to get sworn in.”
— Congresswoman Adelita Grijalva (16:53)
Memorable Quotes & Moments
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On Epstein’s Character:
“This guy's gross. Right? With my wife… the guy's gross. This was not, oh, the deep nuance of Howard Lutnick. This guy's gross, right?”
— Howard Lutnick (07:57) -
On Elite Complicity:
“No, they participated. Right? That's what his M.O. was, you know, get a massage. Get a massage. And what happened in that massage room, I assume was on video.”
— Howard Lutnick (08:17) -
On the Motive Behind the Shutdown:
“It's convenient for them to shut the government down and they're not interested in making government work for our constituents.”
— Rep. Jamie Raskin (12:10)
Key Timestamps
| Timestamp | Segment | Topic | |-----------|--------------------------------------------|---------------------------------------------------------| | 01:46 | Start of main content | Introduction to Epstein-Lutnick revelations | | 02:11 | Lutnick recounts meeting Epstein | Detailed story about first visit | | 06:23 | Lutnick’s reaction to Epstein | “Never in the room again” vow | | 07:52 | Discussion of Epstein's reputation | “The guy's gross… not deep nuance” | | 08:17 | Blackmail and rich acquaintances | “No, they participated... on video.” | | 09:09 | Epstein's 2008 plea deal & the videos | “Must have been a trade…” | | 11:54 | Congressman Jamie Raskin clip | Shutdown prevents Epstein files vote & Grijalva swearing-in| | 13:13 | Wall Street Journal investigation summary | Bank/hedge fund ties, financial transactions | | 16:34 | Rep. Grijalva statement | Calls out Speaker Johnson for the delay |
Tone and Style
The MeidasTouch brothers maintain their sharp, witty, combative tone, but give gravity to the seriousness of the Epstein allegations and potential cover-ups. Their commentary weaves factual reporting, pointed criticism of GOP leadership, and rallying calls for transparency and action from their audience.
Summary
This episode is a deep and highly-charged exploration of the latest Epstein-Trump developments, the disturbing access and influence Epstein maintained among political and financial elites, and how current congressional maneuvering is obstructing accountability. With direct quotes, multiple perspectives, and a persistent push for investigative transparency, the podcast delivers both information and urgent civic engagement, making it a must-listen (or must-read) for those following the evolving Epstein files and the accountability of power in America.