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Top Physician Dr. Gupta on Trump's Health Decline and Public Sleeping Episodes
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health is completely collapsing. His cognitive physical health collapsing before our eyes. The White House panicking, saying what we are seeing is not actually happening. The White House posted his eyes are literally open in the clip you posted, you dumb ass mouth breathers. And it was the headquarters doing a post that the Midas touch had been pushing out there on social media showing Donald Trump clearly falling asleep during multiple multiple Oval Office press conferences this week. Donald Trump holding interviews where his eyes look completely swollen, his hands look swollen, his ankles look swollen. There were all the red flags of course, with Donald Trump not surfacing for about eight days after that so called physical at Walter Reed where there were more CT scans unclear were there mini strokes taking place. Many people have speculated based on the droopy face, his inability to walk downstairs, his inability to complete sentences, the way his hand just looks absolutely unwell. We'll just say the blotches of makeup all over. I mean zoom in over here. I mean Utterly deranged stuff. And you know, you think about it. Donald Trump gave this interview with the New York Post trying to defend the indefensible, the fact that he keeps on getting physicals over and over again. Here's what he told Miranda Devine over at New York Post, who almost looked like she was looking at him, like he was in hospice care, the way she was having a conversation with him. Here, watch for yourself and tell me what you think.
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Here, play this clip.
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Host/Interviewer
You just had your health thing and
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Donald Trump
you're 14 years younger.
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Host/Interviewer
Cardiac health and cognitive health.
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Donald Trump
Yeah, they said I'm very healthy. I just, I do physicals because I just want, I think I have an obligation to do it. But I just came out with very, very good results. And I took a test, a cognitive test, and I got 100% on it. I got, I, as the expression goes, I aced it. And the doctors told me it's very, very few people can ace. That's actually a tough test. You know, once you get past the first half of the question. Yeah. Those questions get.
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Host/Interviewer
Is it a memory?
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Donald Trump
What is it that you've got a good memory? I have a great memory. Have a good look. So far so good. Yeah. I hope I'm going to keep it that way. Yeah.
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Commentator/Analyst
And then he told those farmers in Wisconsin that they have a much nicer life than him because their ear wasn't pierced the way his ear was pierced. Your ear wasn't pierced. What are talking about? They keep going on claiming he was shot in the face by an AR15 bullet. He had a little bandage on your ear and you never released your medical records. Here, let's just play this clip.
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Donald Trump
Or a small business now, I saw it myself. You have a way of life that sometimes you're land rich and cash poor. Sometimes you have lots of different conditions. But people that are on farms love being on farms. You wouldn't trade my life. You wouldn't want my life. Believe me, you don't want it. Your life is much better than my life. I will tell you. Your ear wasn't a little pierced over here. You didn't get pierced. You have a nice, safe, beautiful life. But I've seen.
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Commentator/Analyst
And then Donald Trump failed a real life cognitive exam before farmers in Wisconsin by struggling to remember the name of the Washington Monument. Here, play this clip.
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Donald Trump
Look at that. I mean, look at that. It just opened yesterday. Just. We just opened it. So there was going to take four years, 400 million. It took really about a month. Okay. It was going to. Can you imagine Washington Between Lincoln, think of Washington D.C. between the Lincoln Memorial and the Washington. Just think about this, you know, that beautiful spire in honor of the great George Washington and the beautiful Lincoln Memorial. So between there, thousands of feet long. It was built in 1922. And to be honest, it never really worked. It leaked like a sieve because it was stone and concrete.
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And you have the governor of New York, Governor Hochul, talking about Donald Trump falling asleep. And you see him clearly falling asleep there. You have Governor Newsom of California talking about Donald Trump constantly falling asleep. I mean, it's indefensible what we see right there. And they refuse to acknowledge it. I need to bring in an expert right now who can really break this down for us. I want to bring in a world renowned physician, Dr. Vin Gupta. He leads Midas Health. And I want to ask Dr. Gupta about all of the red flags regarding Donald Trump's health collapse before our eyes. Let's get the Midas Health lead doctor, world renowned physician, Dr. Vin Gupta, to help break it down.
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Now I want to bring in Dr. Vin Gupta, who leads Midas Health. Dr. Gupta, great to see you. You know, we've been seeing Donald Trump's behavior this week, his physical condition, his cognitive condition, the fact that he was away from public appearances for about eight days before kind of reemerging with that interesting physical that was taking place at Walter Reed earlier. And then we got the readout of, I don't want to call it a medical report because that thing's not what a typical medical. We'll call it a narrative that felt a lot like a, like a fantasy narrative than a reality. But I'm not an expert here, so I want to get your general view of what you've observed with Trump this week, whether it was the sleeping, the physical condition, the New York Post interview with the swollen legs, the, the swollen eyes. Now it looks underneath, the eyes look very puffy, the hands, of course. What do you make of it all?
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Document. Well, Ben, you know, I think you and I have been on the leading edge of this many, many months ago before everybody was talking about it. And so I just want to say that I don't think we were overly speculating. And I thought we'd been cautious from the start, but I also think we've been proven right that there's serious questions here that have not been answered in a serious way by his own physicians. And so, number one, I would say I'll make three points. One, the medical documentation was released on a Friday night. They reference as physicians who have Repeatedly, and I think other. Many of my peers have repeatedly raised questions about their professionalism, just how they speak and how they write. They don't write in a medically impassive, impartial way. They editorialize, and they're very flamboyant in how they communicate. And it seems like they're trying to get across a political point versus just simple medical documentation. As proof of that, they talk about AI, cardiac age. Listen, we're all bullish to some degree in medicine on the promise of new technologies to improve patient care. But to be citing that in a physical exam for president is ludicrous because none of that has been proven out as being completely accurate. So to cite these things as part of a physical exam shows that there's an amateurism here at play. One, two. They don't talk at all about real neuropsychiatric evaluation of his executive functioning. They talk about his MOCA test. He keeps talking about this Montreal Cognitive assessment tool, which either he is misinterpreting or his team is misinterpreting. I suspect it's him. This is not something. And again, you and I have been having this conversation for over a year now. You do not get this test with this type of frequency. It doesn't make any sense. It's a scrappy, crude screening tool to assess cognitive function. It barely screens for early signs of dementia. It is not a great screening tool to understand whether or not. Or an assessment tool to understand whether or not you have the executive functioning capabilities to be the President of the United States. He keeps doing it because I think he understands, at minimum, that it's an easy test to pass, and therefore it's some sort of flex that he's okay. It's. It's not answering the questions that serious people have about his clear decline and his mental status. Number three. I would just say that, you know, we talk a lot about him being sleepy in these Oval Office meetings, whether he has a health care executive or whether he has the Department of Interior behind his seat behind the Resolute desk. He was just sleeping. Very clearly falling asleep for periods of time. Even if the White House wants to deny it, it's obvious. I'll say this as a pulmonologist, I worry. I mean, we need to understand why is somebody so sleepy for multiple periods of time throughout the daytime hours? That's not normal. That is not a normal. Oh, they're just 80 years old. That's okay to fall asleep in the middle of the day. No, usually there's an explanation for that. And so what is the explanation? They like to parry it away that he's, you know, the chief executive of. Of the country, and therefore that explains that away, I'm not so sure that does. You know, his. His working hours are pretty limited based on the way his White House schedule that's reported out. He is falling asleep in front of the camera repeatedly. And I worry about, does he have a sleep disorder? Does he have sleep apnea? You know, he's clearly overweight, if not obese. Even though they like to fudge his vital signs and his overall biometrics, I do worry, does he. Does he have sleep apnea? And there's just not either for it or they're not being completely transparent about his health care. So whether it's just how they talk about his health, whether it's the fact that they're not talking about the right type of testing when it comes to his neurologic cognitive functioning, or whether it's just the complete absence. Ben. Of explanation for why he is so sleepy during multiple periods of time throughout the day, there's clearly a lack of transparency here on the part of his medical team. And I think we're asking appropriate questions. And we continue to ask these questions because the people and the public deserve answers.
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You know, from a legal perspective, when I try to break down what's happening in Bondi's interview, and I use my litigation pass to say, look what they're hiding over here. And this is not the language that's used of transparency, and here's why. And I would go through Bondi's deposition, and I would say, if you really wanted to get out the truth, this is what would be included. Here's what was omitted. And, you know, here we are in a medical realm, and you look at that document that we can't even call a medical report, it is a narrative. And we see. And you point out there are gaps. There are things that are being said there from a medical professional that raise red flags and raise these questions, things that you've seen in a narrative there that no doctor who is respectable would put in any report ever. And so you go, it looks like you're putting this out there just to BS us now. Why would you be doing that? And then you put in all these other factors, and I know you and I speak a lot about that, so talk to us just though, a little bit about what. What would resolve all of that. Like, if we wanted to know the answers, there's a way to know the answers. We would get certain types of tests. There would be things that would happen and we would go, got it. That's how we would know that they're hiding. What would normally happen in a situation like this if this was a credible process?
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Sure. I mean, you know, at this point, I would say, let's say, for example, the fact that, Ben, they'd like to talk about the fact that the President has bruising on both of his, the backs of his hands because he's on high dose aspirin, because he wants to be on high dose aspirin and because he's shaking hands with a lot of people, you know, that would, you might say that that passes the test of credibility. If it was on one hand, his dominant hand, where he was shaking hands with a lot of people and he was on a high dose aspirin. Okay, fine. Maybe I would buy that as a secondary complication of being on high dose aspirin. Usually somebody on high dose aspirin would have perhaps stomach bleeding, bleeding of the stomach lining. Perhaps you would see some evidence of that in lab workup or on just subjective review of their symptoms, how they live their day to day. None of that is obviously coming through in his physical exam, but the fact that they're even saying that, and I mean, Ben, they're putting that in the physical exam that they think he has bilateral bruising of the back of his hands because he shakes a lot of people's hands and it's a secondary complication of being on high dose aspirin. They're putting the explanation and they're editorializing in a physical exam report. That's not, that's not normal. You don't do that. You don't put a cardiac age to justify somebody being 14 years younger than their chronologic age. And a physical exam, that's editorializing, that's, that's providing your own opinion in something that should be an objective statement based on what you're seeing during your examination. So number one, in terms of what we should be seeing in this case is what is a normal physical exam of the President and what's the normal readout here without the editorialization? We cannot trust anything, in my view, that this medical team puts out. Because when they put it out on a Friday night, three days after he actually got the exam, why the delay? Why a Friday night? They didn't want to bring attention to it. Fine, that's obvious. Friday night, hoping that it's going to escape scrutiny. Two, why the editorialization? Three, why didn't they know, Going back to our Initial discussion on this back, you know, many, many months ago that he got a evidently a CT instead of an MRI of his torso. His own docs had to be corrected, Ben, by the patient himself, the President in this case. That makes no sense. It makes me wonder if the president actually even trusts his doctors to put out a statement that won't cause more questions than reassurance, hence the Friday night report. I wonder how much trust he actually has in his medical team not to actually create more of a worsening, confusing situation. So part of this is just the communicator, the messenger, in this case, his own team. I think they're creating more trouble for themselves and for the president than they realize. 2. Just release the actual reports. At this point, it's not hard to release the actual facsimile of the labs. Just release the labs, release the actual reports of the imaging studies that they supposedly got or did not get and let us, the peanut gallery, in their view, make our own judgment here. They have the ability to just release the reports. Just release them. Some presidents choose not to. Some presidents choose to release everything. Why not just release it at this point, if there's nothing to hide, in their view, and the fact that they continue to filter out, curate these medical notes on a Friday night, then with all this editorialization and AI cardiac age, which no credible physician would ever put in a physical exam, much less bilateral bruising from handshaking plus high dose aspirin, these are signals that he doesn't have a team that is serious about their profession anymore. They're serious about maintaining their job, if you ask me. But this is also symptomatic of the broader set of quote unquote doctors around him at the fda. FDA commissioner that has since been fired. Marty Macri, somebody I had a lot of respect for as a clinician back in the day, but saw a path that was not favorable, went on Fox News during the pandemic, spread a lot of falsehoods, became the FDA commissioner, no surprise, got fired because he played a game that he shouldn't have betrayed his own profession. Look at Mehmet Oz, classic sort of archetype of spreading snake oil for the pursuit of power. You know he's not going to be acquitted. Well, in the courts of the Hippocratic oath, at least. His surgeon general nominee, third in line, Ben. Her claim to fame is having a supplement line. You know, it seems like you have to be profiting off the profession of medicine to be the surgeon general nominee. And so it's all to say none of the docs around this president are credible. Certainly his own medical physicians have, have lost all credibility, if you ask me. And I would, I would just say, you know, why don't. There's all these questions about his sleepiness. I say this as a pulmonologist. Why not just release the report of his sleep study? He is clearly overweight. Get a sleep study, if they haven't already, get one, and release the report of that and versus the curated filtered version of whatever they describe that sleep study to be, which, you know, very few people actually trust at this point. I don't know if they're going to do that, but if you're asking me what they should do, that's what they should do. But they're not going to do it, clearly, because past is prologue.
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And doc, finally, I want to switch gears, but not too much because we are talking about medical assessments of people and the types of assessments that can be made or not be made. What I find interesting and very disturbing actually are some of these changes to Medicaid coming in 2027, pushed by Trump and MAGA. And there are these Medicaid work requirements that starting in 2027, it seems like every six months a doctor is going to not have to make a medical, you know, medical diagnoses, go beyond that and make a adjudication of whether as a result of certain medical conditions, a individual is capable of working. And so now the physician becomes a judge. And as opposed to what the physician should be doing, doing the tests, putting the labs, getting all the accurate information, how can I treat you? But now becoming a basically a de facto work judge to make decisions for Medicaid and to say you can or can't work. And with all of the Trump regime saying, if we think that you made the wrong call, we're going to prosecute you for fraud and you, as the doctor may now go to prison. That may make doctors just say, I rather just say you can work. Because if I say you can't work and then the Trump regime says I'm engaged in fraud, I can now go to, I can go to prison, you know, for that. It seems to. How do you see this issue?
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That was beautifully described, Ben, and completely accurate. This is the concern, you know, for our audience out there. The center for Medicaid and Medicaid Services just released an updated rule stating that they expect people on Medicaid when given this issue of work requirements that you have now every six months, supposedly starting very soon, early 2027, if you're on Medicaid you're going to have to demonstrate, you're going to have to submit paperwork every six months to your state Medicaid agency stating that you're working a pre specified period of time. There's a variety of rules. I would encourage you to look it up if this affects you or a loved one. What are those rules? And if you, for example, cannot meet those work requirements, if you can't work because of a medical condition, usually, Ben, the expectation, and I think this is very sensible, is that people could self attest that they could not work. And I can tell you in many instances I care for very sick patients, those out of the icu, both in my reservist capacity in the US Air Force and also as a civilian intensive care unit physician. I've seen a lot of people, Ben, that for whatever reason may not be able to make it into a clinical visit with me, but at baseline are not doing well because they've been in the ICU for a period of time and are just have a poor functional status or have terrible emphysema and just can't get around all that well anymore and don't need me to state the obvious. But what are they now saying? They're basically saying that you can no longer self attest that you have a work limiting condition, medical condition, even if you've been able to do so and your medical record justifies it. No, you have to get a physician or a medical provider to sign off on paperwork every six months. And what's the complication here is exactly what you said. What physician decided to go into the profession of medicine to heal patients, to now suddenly be put into a position where they have to adjudicate who does and does not get healthcare insurance. This is the moral injury that they're introducing, this administration is introducing into the profession of medicine. As if they haven't already made the lives of physicians harder by reducing the number of people that have access to health care, by making the lives of pediatricians a lot harder, by making all the rhetoric and dialogue on safety and efficacy of vaccines far more complicated than it needs to be. Now they're basically saying for a very vulnerable population, those on Medicaid, you as a physician or a medical provider will have to sign paperwork documenting that a patient can or cannot work to justify their access to needed medical care. One, it's immoral that we as a society are even in this place in the first place. You shouldn't have to be in this place to begin with. Everybody deserves healthcare as a basic human right. But number two, the notion that a physician went to medical school or a nurse practitioner went to nurse practitioner school or physician assistant went to physician assistant school to engage in this, to understand, well, gosh, you have the capability to work a specific job, and therefore you are granted the ability to have access to Medicaid, or no, you do not have the capability to work a specific job, therefore we're going to exempt you from work requirements, and therefore you can maintain your access to Medicaid. This is not our job. We have 15 minutes then, in that clinical visit to actually do direct patient care. No provider wants to be doing this. No patient is driving in to see their provider in a busy downtown clinic to have to engage in this conversation. So all they're doing is they know what's going to happen. They know that people are not going to be able to navigate this every six months. The paperwork, the signatures. They already knew that in the first place. Now they're just making it even harder. So what's going to happen? Those that are on the fringes of medical care, on the fringes of just basic good quality of life from a healthcare perspective, they're going to suffer. They're going to suffer, and they're just basically guaranteeing that people are going to fall off the rolls and that a lot of people are necessarily going to suffer and likely die because of this policy. This is moral injury. This is the definition of moral injury.
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Dr. Ven Gupta, thanks so much for your time. We appreciate you.
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Thank you, everybody.
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