Trump makes Lutnick Fall Guy in Epstein Dump?!!

Summary

Podcast Summary

Podcast: The MeidasTouch Podcast
Episode: Trump makes Lutnick Fall Guy in Epstein Dump?!!
Date: February 1, 2026
Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas

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Episode Overview

This episode centers on the recent release of a substantial portion of the Jeffrey Epstein files, highlighting the frequent appearances of Howard Lutnick’s name and communications within them. The MeidasTouch brothers dissect the implications, scrutinize Lutnick’s denials, speculate on whether Lutnick is being positioned as a scapegoat or “fall guy” to distract from others implicated, notably Donald Trump, and analyze the broader web of power connected to Epstein, including big names like Elon Musk and NFL owners. The tone is sharp, irreverent, and skeptical, with a clear critique of powerful figures apparently caught in deception.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Howard Lutnick’s Claims Versus the Epstein Files

• Lutnick has publically insisted, most recently in a New York Post interview, that his interactions with Epstein ended in 2005 after a single, disturbing encounter that made him vow never to see Epstein again.
• Newly released emails from as late as 2017 directly contradict his statements, showing Lutnick and his family corresponding with Epstein and his associates about trips, events, and personal matters.

Notable Quotes

• Howard Lutnick (Clip):

  “I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So I was never in the room with him socially for business or even philanthropy.” (03:30)

• Host Commentary:

  “Everything Lutnick says is a total lie. So first, let me just show you the portion of the interview with Miranda Devine...” (02:55)

Key Timestamps

• Miranda Devine Interview Excerpt: 03:30–03:51, 09:16–11:40
• Introduction of the contradiction (email evidence): 03:51–08:00

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2. Email Evidence Contradicting Lutnick

• 2012–2017 Emails:
  • Evidence shows arrangements for social visits, including logistics for trips to Epstein’s island, discussions about family members and nannies, and event invitations.
  • Lutnick invited Epstein to a Hillary Clinton fundraiser in 2015, further undermining his claims of severed contact.

Notable Quotes and Details

• Host Reading Emails:

  “Hi Jeff. We are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon... Where are you located? ...Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good?” (05:10)

• Email from Epstein’s Assistant re: visit:

  “Come Saturday or Sunday lunch, little St. James on the map behind Christmas Cove.” (05:55)

• Nanny Resume Email:

  “It is a resume of Howard Lutnick's nanny. Attached is the resume...” (06:25)

• Clinton Fundraiser Invite:

  “I would like to invite you...to a very intimate fundraising event with Hillary Clinton...” (07:40)

Key Timestamps

• Email readings and analysis: 03:51–08:00

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3. Lutnick’s Explanations and Media Persona

• In multiple media appearances, Lutnick repeats the same, now-disproven narrative about a single, repulsive encounter with Epstein.
• During an interview with Miranda Devine (New York Post), he describes Epstein as disgusting and claims he never interacted with him again, despite clear evidence to the contrary.

Notable Quote

• Lutnick (repeating his claim):

  “My wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again...” (11:05)

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4. Shifting Blame and Scapegoating

• The hosts discuss the theory that Lutnick may be presented as the “fall guy” in the Epstein files to shield or distract from closer Trump associates and other big names.
• They argue, based on email contents, that Trump and his circle remain deeply implicated.

Notable Commentary

• Host:

  “Maybe the plan right here is to put Howard Lutnick out front and center as somebody who was involved with Epstein and make him the face of the regime's closeness with Epstein. However, the regime and Donald Trump appear over and over again in the Epstein files.” (03:55)

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5. Broader Context: Powerful Figures in the Epstein Files

• Discussion expands to mention Elon Musk, NFL owners (like Steve Tisch), Bill Gates, and Donald Trump—all making appearances in the files via emails, party arrangements, or alleged witness statements.
• Notable, salacious details from the files are shared, emphasizing just how extensive and interconnected the Epstein network was.

Notable Quotes

• Elon Musk email (read aloud):

  “What day and night will the wildest parties take place on your island?” (19:17)

• Steve Tisch with Epstein:

  “Talk about, you know, Epstein facilitating young Ukrainian girl or woman for Tish. It's absolutely grotesque.” (20:38)

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6. The Trump Factor and Allegations

• The team reads from an FBI email summarizing a Jane Doe’s allegations that Epstein introduced her to Trump, who then committed sexual assault.
• Host frames this as hard documentary evidence, not speculation.

Notable Segment

• Host:

  “Birds of a feather. This was from the Epstein files that were released on Friday. And these are allegations in a email that is titled Epstein cellmate interviews...” (19:04)

Key Timestamps

• Reading of Jane Doe FBI account: 19:04–19:58

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7. The Missing Files and the Scope of the Cover-Up

• The hosts point out that millions of Epstein-related emails and documents remain unreleased, posing questions about the extent of suppressed information.

Notable Commentary

• Host:

  “We know that there's still 3 to 4 million emails and documents that are still missing that have not been turned over. That's a cabal right there.” (20:55)

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8. Character and Behavior of Lutnick in the Media

• The episode spotlights Lutnick’s odd and defensive behavior in other interviews, his attacks on political opponents, and his overt praise for Donald Trump.
• Examples include his reactions to California Governor Newsom (“sex toys and knee pads” segment) and exchanges at Davos.

Notable Moments

• Lutnick on Trump:

  “He is the strongest. He is the strongest human being that I know. I mean, you know, he can wear me out. And I tell you, I've got plenty of energy.” (18:38)

• Host’s reaction:

  “Birds of a feather.” (19:04)

Key Timestamps

• Newsom/knee pads story: 16:22–17:09
• Davos/Trump adulation: 18:11–18:55

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Memorable Moments and Quotes (with Speakers and Timestamps)

• Howard Lutnick:

  “I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again...” (03:30, 11:05)

• Host:

  “Everything Lutnick says is a total lie...” (02:55)

• Host:

  “They were having business interactions with each other. They were describing who their nannies were on emails with each other... They were having business interactions.” (00:57)

• FBI Email Summary (read aloud):

  “Jane Doe stated Epstein introduced her to Trump, who subsequently forced her head down to his exposed penis... In response, Trump punched her in the head and kicked her out.” (19:04)

• Elon Musk to Epstein (read aloud):

  “What day and night will the wildest parties take place on your island?” (19:17)

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Conclusion

The episode exposes what the hosts call the “utterly false” narrative of Howard Lutnick’s distance from Epstein, using newly released emails to demonstrate ongoing ties long after 2005. It suggests Lutnick may be pinned as a convenient fall guy to shield even more powerful figures, especially in Trump’s circle. The MeidasTouch brothers underscore the breadth of Epstein’s web, the perfidy and defensiveness of powerful men, and the urgency for full transparency in the continuing Epstein saga.

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Transcript

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Shine26 Howard Lutnick deserve this Howard Lutnick has been utterly exposed in the recent release of a substantial portion of the Epstein file. Still, a substantial portion of of the Epstein files remain missing, but a good deal of documents was produced on Friday and Howard Lutnick's name appeared over and over again. Howard Lutnick and representatives on Lutnick's behalf were sending messages to Jeffrey Epstein and representatives on behalf of Jeffrey Epstein coordinating trips to Epstein's island. Epstein was donating money to award ceremonies where Howard Lutnick received awards. They were having business interactions with each other. They were describing who their nannies were on emails with each other and with each other's representatives. And it seemed that they knew each other fairly well and had consistent interactions. But you see Howard Lutnick, like the liar that he is, had continued to tell the public that he's had no interactions with Jeffrey Epstein since 2005. And as Howard Lutnick tells the story, which we now know is an utter lie, he he says that he and Jeffrey Epstein lived right next to each other in New York City. That part is true. Everything else after that now we know is 100% false like everything else that spews out of Howard Lutnick's mouth. So Howard Lutnick described what he claimed was his first and only interaction with Jeffrey Epstein. Lutnick said that Epstein comes over, invites Lutnick to show up at Epstein's townhouse. That Lutnick shows up and Epstein shows Lutnick the massage table and Lutnick says, oh, this is gross. Lutnick says he leaves immediately, goes home and tells his wife, this Jeffrey Epstein guy is a creep. He's disgusting. And then Howard Lutnick says, since that one interaction in 2005, I had no interaction with that disgusting human being. Not a professional, not a personal interaction, no interactions. And recently, Howard Lutnick gave an interview with Miranda Devine from the New York Post where Howard Lutnick spewed those lies over and over again. And now when we see the files that were released on Friday, we know what we suspected before that. That was an utter lie. Cuz everything Lutnick says is a total lie. So first, let me just show you the portion of the interview with Miranda Devine where Howard Lutnick says, I've never seen that creepy guy ever again. That disgusting guy. He says it like that since 2005. Watch this clip.

[Howard Lutnick]

Let's play it that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So I was never in the room with him socially for business or even philanthropy. If that guy was there, I wasn't going to because he's gross.

[Narrator/Host]

All right, now let's go through some of the emails that were released on Friday. So there are some who suspect that Howard Lutnick maybe is the fall guy in these Epstein files. Maybe the plan right here is to put Howard Lutnick out front and center as somebody who was involved with Epstein and make him the face of the regime's closeness with Epstein. However, the regime and Donald Trump appear over and over again in the Epstein files. But first, let's take a look at this email right here. This is an email from David Ratner to Jeffrey Epstein. And here's what it says. This email's from November 14, 2017. Hi Jeffrey. Many thanks for your incredible donation. In honor of Howard Lutnick, would you like to take an ad and offer your own words of congratulations and our commemorative journal? Are you able to join us at the event itself on December 11th? And would you like a table inclusive of your generosity? Thank you. And this was in response to Jeffrey Epstein writing to someone named John Paulson on November 8, 2017, saying $50,000 from me. Hope PR is okay. He gave $50,000 to an event where Howard Lutnick was being honored at. How about this email right here, dated December 19, 2012 through December 20 of 2012. Remember, Howard Lutnick said that he had no communications with Epstein at all because he said Epstein was disgusting and he claimed he had no interaction since 2005. Well, let's take a look. Howard Lutnick email dated December 19, 2012. Hi Jeff. We are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon and planning to head over to St. Barts Anguilla on Monday at some point. Where are you located? What is exact location for my captain? Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good? I have another couple, Michael and Marcie Lehrman with me on my boat and each of us has four children. Two 16s, two 14s, a 13, a 12, an 11 and a 7 year old. Thanks Howard. And then there's a response right here. Jeffrey Epstein to his assistant Leslie Groff. December 19th. Come Saturday or Sunday lunch, little St. James on the map behind Christmas Cove. Then Leslie Grof responds. FYI, I will let you know what he says. She's going to be reaching out on his behalf to Howard Lutnick about coming to the island and seeing Jeffrey Epstein. How about this email right here, October 3rd, 2013 where you have Jeffrey Epstein to a guy by the name of Richard Kahn. It is a resume of Howard Lutnick's nanny. Attached is the resume of Lutnick's nanny. I'm trying to arrange a time via Peter for you to meet her. That's apparently how close they were. They were talking about each other's nannies. How about this email right here, December 21, 2012 and December 20, 2012 you have Howard Lutnick to Leslie Grof, who's Epstein's assistant. Okay, lunch on Sunday. See you then then Leslie Grof to Matthew Lutnick. Seems like a family affair here. Hi Matthew and Candice. Might you be able to give redacted a few more details regarding lunch this Sunday? Do you know if it will just be Howard and his wife? Any kids coming along? Will they arrive at Jeffrey Epstein's island via their boat and around what time is good for them? If you could pass along when you know that would be great and cc'd here. Or the time that Howard Lutnick invited Jeffrey Epstein to a Hillary Clinton fundraiser at Canter Fitzgerald. And in 2015 when Howard Lutnick purported to be a Democrat. But Howard Lutnick's entire life is being a phony and it's just about proximity to power and he was positioning himself to get a position of power and also it appears to deal with issues of his dark past as well. Take a look right here November 3, 2015. This is from Howard Lutnick. I would like to invite you. This is the Epstein's people. I would like to invite you to attend a very intimate fundraising event with Hillary Clinton from 5:30pm to 6:30pm at Canor Fitzgerald's office on November 1st. Please RSVP again Howard Lutnick to Jeffrey Epstein right there. So now there are stories like this. Howard Lutnick visited Epstein Island. New Releases show. But it's important to remember that Howard Lutnick is. Is a complete and utter liar. I showed you the smaller portion of that clip earlier in this video. Let me share with you here. When Howard Lutnick speaks with Miranda Devine. And hear Howard Lutnick talks about that interaction in 2005. And watch what a sociopath is as he lies through his teeth. Watch the ease with which he lies and how he almost enjoys it. It's quite disgusting to watch here playing this clip.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

He was your neighbor for 10 years. How well did you know him?

[Howard Lutnick]

All right, so we are in number 11, and he lives in number nine.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Right.

[Howard Lutnick]

So we renovate, we buy our house, and our house is pigeons and mice. Right.

[Interviewer/Commentator]

Okay, That's.

[Howard Lutnick]

It was derelict, Right. So we build, we rebuild our house. We move in in 2005. Okay. Jeffrey Epstein is arrested in, like, 08, I think, something. Right, Right. So knock on the door. His assistant on, like, A Saturday says, Mr. Epstein, your neighbor would like to invite you over for coffee. So my wife and I go next door. You know, we walk the seven steps.

[Panelist/Commentator]

Yes, right.

[Howard Lutnick]

To the next house for. For coffee. We share a wall. Right? Right. So it's in New York City. So he invites us in. We have coffee in this, and he says, do you want a tour? He said, great.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Interesting.

[Interviewer/Commentator]

Really big house.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Every room you went in, he's got.

[Howard Lutnick]

He's got it. Well, I'll tell you. So his house is, like, super big, really wide. And so he gives me a tour in the living room. Big living room. And then across from it is double doors. I assume it's the dining room. Yeah. And he opens the doors, and there's a massage table in the middle of the room and candles all around and stuff. So I ask very insightful, cutting questions. I say to him, massage table in the middle of your house.

[Commentator]

How often you have a massage?

[Howard Lutnick]

And he says, every day. And then he, like, gets, like, weirdly close to me. Oh. And he says, and the right kind of massage.

[Interviewer/Commentator]

Ooh.

[Howard Lutnick]

Now my wife is standing here. So she looks at me, and I look at her, and we say, I'm sorry, we have to go. And we left. And in the six or eight steps it takes to get from his house to my house, my wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So I was never in the room with him socially for business or even philanthropy. If that guy was There I wasn't going because he's gross.

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[Narrator/Host]

And here's more on Howard Lutnick talking about Epstein, about how gross the guy is. And so Miranda Devine asks him. She's the reporter from the New York Post. So why did people like Bill Gates and all these other people hang out around him? Howard Lutnick gives an explanation, but maybe are you telling on yourself, Howard Lutnick, because you were hanging out with Epstein. At the same time, you're talking about others hanging out with Epstein.

[Howard Lutnick]

Scene.

[Narrator/Host]

Here, play this clip.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

I mean, that's an incredible story that you could pick up that he was a pervert.

[Commentator]

It's gross. The guy's gross, right. With my wife, he's grow. The guy's gross.

[Howard Lutnick]

This was not. Oh. The deep nuance of Howard Lutnick. This guy is gross.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Right. So how come Bill Gates and all these other people could hang around him and not see what you saw? Or did they see it and ignore it, or.

[Howard Lutnick]

No, they participated. Right. That's what his M.O. was. You know, get a massage. Get a massage. And what happened in that massage room, I assume was on video. This guy was the greatest blackmailer ever. Blackmail people. That's how he had money. So.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

So what happened to those videos? Why is there now such a dearth of information when, you know, Donald Trump's people are running the FBI and the doj?

[Howard Lutnick]

I assume way back when, they traded those videos in exchange for him getting that 18 month sentence which allowed him to have visits and be out of jail. I mean, he's a serial sex offender. How could he get 18 months and be able to go to his office during the day and have visitors and stuff? Must have been a trade. So my assumption. I have no knowledge.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

Mm.

[Howard Lutnick]

But my assumption is there was a trade for the videos because there were people on those videos.

[Interviewer/Reporter]

And have you talked to Donald Trump about this and shared your theory?

[Howard Lutnick]

No. I mean, he knows the story, Right. But, like, my story that, you know, I was the one and done with the guy. He knows that story, but that's it.

[Narrator/Host]

And now if you watch some of Howard Lutnick's recent interviews about other topics, you start to see, and I think you knew already just what a absolute sicko this guy is. And I know you're like, ben, we knew that already, but I think this gives it additional context right here. Like, here's the recent interview he gave with Jesse Waters on state regime media, which calls itself fox. And Howard Lutnick starts attacking California Governor Gavin Newsom, because Gavin Newsom says, we're handing out knee pads for all of the Trump bootlickers and Lutnicks. Like, oh, my God, that guy's talking about sex toys and knee pads. Sex toys and knee pads. You see what's going on in Lutnick's mind right there. Here, play this clip.

[Interviewer]

So Newsom's over there and he's posturing. You know, he's throwing around knee pads. You're sitting There with the President of the United States. Is he tolerating this? Are you guys laughing about this? What's going on with this governor?

[Interviewer/Commentator]

He's literally laughing. I mean, he's like, you can't believe it, right? I mean, you just can't believe that this guy's gonna run for president and he's actually commenting about sex toys and knee pads. I mean, you can't believe it. It's outrageously entertaining. And so the President just has to laugh because what else can you do? You're not gonna just, you know, you know, the President, he's not gonna just shake his head. He's like. He's just cracking up, going, I can't believe this guy.

[Interviewer]

I wouldn't be holding up a knee pad if I were running for president.

[Narrator/Host]

And then recently, when Howard Lutnick was at Davos and he was sitting on a panel with other world foreign affairs ministers and leaders, Howard Lutnick was showing what a predator he is. Here, play this clip.

[Panelist/Commentator]

Can I bring you back to Greenland?

[Political Figure]

No, it's unnecessary. The Western Hemisphere is vital for the United States of America. Our national security people are on it, and they care about it. And I'm going to leave it to them to address with our allies, with our friends, and with everyone how they work it out. But the Western Hemisphere matters to the United States of America, and the United States of America, as I've just articulated.

[Interviewer/Commentator]

Really, really matters to the world.

[Political Figure]

When America shines, the world shines because they all need to make sure America is strong and powerful to take care of them, God forbid. And so I think America and the Western hemisphere are vital to America. And I'm going to leave that to my national security people to address.

[Panelist/Commentator]

Right. The rest of us, I think, are finding it harder to make that kind of separation clearly.

[Narrator/Host]

And here's how bizarre he is about Donald Trump. Whenever he does these interviews on state regime, media or otherwise, he'll always be like, and Donald Trump is so strong. He's the strongest man I know. And here, play this clip.

[Interviewer]

And did he let you sleep on the ride home on Air Force One?

[Political Figure]

I slept for an hour.

[Howard Lutnick]

I did.

[Interviewer/Commentator]

I slept for one. I slept for one hour. He is the strongest. He is the strongest human being that I know. I mean, you know, he can wear me out. And I tell you, I've got plenty of energy. And he just works and works and works. It is a pleasure to be.

[Interviewer]

Go get some sleep, Secretary. I think you guys need it. Great job over there. And this fight with China continues. It's a battle.

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[Narrator/Host]

Okay, well, birds of a feather. This was from the Epstein files that were released on Friday. And these are allegations in a email that is titled Epstein cellmate interviews. And this is an email from different FBI agents to each other. And here's what the FBI agents say about Trump. In an email that says cellmate interview Trump, it says Jane Doe stated Epstein introduced her to Trump, who subsequently forced her head down to his exposed penis, which is subsequently bite. Bitten. I think it's his bite. In response, Trump punched her in the head and kicked her out. Jane Doe remembers Epstein introduced her to Trump saying, this is a good one, huh? And Trump responded, yeah, this is a good one, huh? That came out in the Ghislaine Maxwell trial with a Jane Doe witness as well. Also, when people talk about the cabal. This is a real email from Elon Musk to Jeffrey Epstein during that same period of time when Howard Lutnick was going to the island or talking about going to the island. This is from Elon Musk. What day and night will the wildest parties take place on your island? What day and night will the wildest party be on your island? Was that the night that Lutnick was heading there as well? And then you have Elon Musk denying that Epstein went to SpaceX, but it clearly appears that he went from these emails and then talk about the cabal. You know, how Donald Trump's very close with all these NFL owners and the NFL owners, you know, were all involved in helping Trump the first time, getting Kaepernick on and all that. Well, this is NFL owner of the New York Giants, Steve Tisch, who talks about a young Ukrainian woman and asks if she's a pro or a civilian. And they talk about, you know, Epstein facilitating young Ukrainian girl or woman for Tish. It's absolutely grotesque. What's in it? This is the crew. Do you see that? This isn't speculation anymore. These are the people. I'm just reading you what the emails say. And we know that there's still 3 to 4 million emails and documents that are still missing that have not been turned over. That's a cabal right there. And it seems that Lutnick is having a lot of explaining to do right now. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe. Help us get to 6 million. Thanks for watching.

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