Podcast Summary

Podcast: The MeidasTouch Podcast
Episode: Trump makes Lutnick Fall Guy in Epstein Dump?!!
Date: February 1, 2026
Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas

Episode Overview

This episode centers on the recent release of a substantial portion of the Jeffrey Epstein files, highlighting the frequent appearances of Howard Lutnick’s name and communications within them. The MeidasTouch brothers dissect the implications, scrutinize Lutnick’s denials, speculate on whether Lutnick is being positioned as a scapegoat or “fall guy” to distract from others implicated, notably Donald Trump, and analyze the broader web of power connected to Epstein, including big names like Elon Musk and NFL owners. The tone is sharp, irreverent, and skeptical, with a clear critique of powerful figures apparently caught in deception.

Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Howard Lutnick’s Claims Versus the Epstein Files

• Lutnick has publically insisted, most recently in a New York Post interview, that his interactions with Epstein ended in 2005 after a single, disturbing encounter that made him vow never to see Epstein again.
• Newly released emails from as late as 2017 directly contradict his statements, showing Lutnick and his family corresponding with Epstein and his associates about trips, events, and personal matters.

Notable Quotes

• Howard Lutnick (Clip):

  “I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again. So I was never in the room with him socially for business or even philanthropy.” (03:30)

• Host Commentary:

  “Everything Lutnick says is a total lie. So first, let me just show you the portion of the interview with Miranda Devine...” (02:55)

Key Timestamps

• Miranda Devine Interview Excerpt: 03:30–03:51, 09:16–11:40
• Introduction of the contradiction (email evidence): 03:51–08:00

2. Email Evidence Contradicting Lutnick

• 2012–2017 Emails:
  • Evidence shows arrangements for social visits, including logistics for trips to Epstein’s island, discussions about family members and nannies, and event invitations.
  • Lutnick invited Epstein to a Hillary Clinton fundraiser in 2015, further undermining his claims of severed contact.

Notable Quotes and Details

• Host Reading Emails:

  “Hi Jeff. We are landing in St. Thomas early Saturday afternoon... Where are you located? ...Does Sunday evening for dinner sound good?” (05:10)

• Email from Epstein’s Assistant re: visit:

  “Come Saturday or Sunday lunch, little St. James on the map behind Christmas Cove.” (05:55)

• Nanny Resume Email:

  “It is a resume of Howard Lutnick's nanny. Attached is the resume...” (06:25)

• Clinton Fundraiser Invite:

  “I would like to invite you...to a very intimate fundraising event with Hillary Clinton...” (07:40)

Key Timestamps

• Email readings and analysis: 03:51–08:00

3. Lutnick’s Explanations and Media Persona

• In multiple media appearances, Lutnick repeats the same, now-disproven narrative about a single, repulsive encounter with Epstein.
• During an interview with Miranda Devine (New York Post), he describes Epstein as disgusting and claims he never interacted with him again, despite clear evidence to the contrary.

Notable Quote

• Lutnick (repeating his claim):

  “My wife and I decided that I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again...” (11:05)

4. Shifting Blame and Scapegoating

• The hosts discuss the theory that Lutnick may be presented as the “fall guy” in the Epstein files to shield or distract from closer Trump associates and other big names.
• They argue, based on email contents, that Trump and his circle remain deeply implicated.

Notable Commentary

• Host:

  “Maybe the plan right here is to put Howard Lutnick out front and center as somebody who was involved with Epstein and make him the face of the regime's closeness with Epstein. However, the regime and Donald Trump appear over and over again in the Epstein files.” (03:55)

5. Broader Context: Powerful Figures in the Epstein Files

• Discussion expands to mention Elon Musk, NFL owners (like Steve Tisch), Bill Gates, and Donald Trump—all making appearances in the files via emails, party arrangements, or alleged witness statements.
• Notable, salacious details from the files are shared, emphasizing just how extensive and interconnected the Epstein network was.

Notable Quotes

• Elon Musk email (read aloud):

  “What day and night will the wildest parties take place on your island?” (19:17)

• Steve Tisch with Epstein:

  “Talk about, you know, Epstein facilitating young Ukrainian girl or woman for Tish. It's absolutely grotesque.” (20:38)

6. The Trump Factor and Allegations

• The team reads from an FBI email summarizing a Jane Doe’s allegations that Epstein introduced her to Trump, who then committed sexual assault.
• Host frames this as hard documentary evidence, not speculation.

Notable Segment

• Host:

  “Birds of a feather. This was from the Epstein files that were released on Friday. And these are allegations in a email that is titled Epstein cellmate interviews...” (19:04)

Key Timestamps

• Reading of Jane Doe FBI account: 19:04–19:58

7. The Missing Files and the Scope of the Cover-Up

• The hosts point out that millions of Epstein-related emails and documents remain unreleased, posing questions about the extent of suppressed information.

Notable Commentary

• Host:

  “We know that there's still 3 to 4 million emails and documents that are still missing that have not been turned over. That's a cabal right there.” (20:55)

8. Character and Behavior of Lutnick in the Media

• The episode spotlights Lutnick’s odd and defensive behavior in other interviews, his attacks on political opponents, and his overt praise for Donald Trump.
• Examples include his reactions to California Governor Newsom (“sex toys and knee pads” segment) and exchanges at Davos.

Notable Moments

• Lutnick on Trump:

  “He is the strongest. He is the strongest human being that I know. I mean, you know, he can wear me out. And I tell you, I've got plenty of energy.” (18:38)

• Host’s reaction:

  “Birds of a feather.” (19:04)

Key Timestamps

• Newsom/knee pads story: 16:22–17:09
• Davos/Trump adulation: 18:11–18:55

Memorable Moments and Quotes (with Speakers and Timestamps)

• Howard Lutnick:

  “I will never be in the room with that disgusting person ever again...” (03:30, 11:05)

• Host:

  “Everything Lutnick says is a total lie...” (02:55)

• Host:

  “They were having business interactions with each other. They were describing who their nannies were on emails with each other... They were having business interactions.” (00:57)

• FBI Email Summary (read aloud):

  “Jane Doe stated Epstein introduced her to Trump, who subsequently forced her head down to his exposed penis... In response, Trump punched her in the head and kicked her out.” (19:04)

• Elon Musk to Epstein (read aloud):

  “What day and night will the wildest parties take place on your island?” (19:17)

Conclusion

The episode exposes what the hosts call the “utterly false” narrative of Howard Lutnick’s distance from Epstein, using newly released emails to demonstrate ongoing ties long after 2005. It suggests Lutnick may be pinned as a convenient fall guy to shield even more powerful figures, especially in Trump’s circle. The MeidasTouch brothers underscore the breadth of Epstein’s web, the perfidy and defensiveness of powerful men, and the urgency for full transparency in the continuing Epstein saga.