Trump Witnesses Clobbered on Live TV from Cross-Exam

Summary

Podcast Summary: The MeidasTouch Podcast – "Trump Witnesses Clobbered on Live TV from Cross-Exam"

Episode Details:

• Title: The MeidasTouch Podcast
• Host/Author: MeidasTouch Network (Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas)
• Release Date: June 19, 2025
• Episode Title: Trump Witnesses Clobbered on Live TV from Cross-Exam

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Introduction

In this episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast, the Meiselas brothers delve into a heated political showdown captured live on television. The focus is on a rigorous cross-examination of Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth by Democratic Senators, highlighting significant tensions within the Trump administration. The discussion is enriched with the brothers' signature humor and deep dives into the implications for American democracy.

Main Highlights

1. Cross-Examination of Secretary Pete Hegseth

The core of the episode revolves around Democratic Senator Slotkin's intense cross-examination of Secretary Hegseth. The Senators question Hegseth on various critical issues, revealing deep-seated conflicts within the Department of Defense (DOD).

• Authorization to Use Military Against Civilians:

  • Senator Slotkin (02:00): "He had more guts and balls than you because he said, 'I'm not going to send in the uniform military to do something that I know in my gut isn't right.'"
  • This statement underscores the Senators' accusations that Hegseth is willing to use military force against American citizens, raising alarms about the abuse of military power.

• Authority to Arrest and Detain Protesters:

  • Senator Slotkin (02:25): "Do you have the ability the uniform Military to arrest and detain protesters currently today?"
  • Secretary Hegseth (03:09): "They're there to protect law enforcement."
  • The exchange questions the extent of military involvement in domestic law enforcement, highlighting democratic concerns.

• Use of Military Tools Against Peaceful Protesters:

  • Senator Hirono (04:18): "If ordered by the President to shoot peaceful protesters in the legs, would you carry it out?"
  • Secretary Hegseth (04:29): "I reject the premise of your question."
  • This segment raises ethical questions about the potential for military overreach and the militarization of civilian spaces.

2. Renaming Military Bases

Another focal point is the debate over renaming military bases previously named after Confederate figures.

• Senator Kaine (05:27): "Civil War. Why did you decide that these four patriots were not worthy enough to have their names on a base?"
• Secretary Hegseth (07:09): "We'll find ways to recognize them. But the orders will soon be going to those bases to change the names back to the original name that never should have been changed."
• The discussion highlights the administration's stance on historical legacy and the pushback from families of decorated military personnel.

3. Influence of Social Media Personalities

The role of social media influencers in military personnel decisions is scrutinized.

• Senator Rosen (16:38): "The removal of General Hawk... influenced by social media influencer Laura Loomer... why and what went down?"
• Secretary Hegseth (17:34): "I would not advise believing everything you read in the media."
• This exchange questions the appropriateness of external influences on high-level military appointments and dismissals.

4. Accountability and Military Readiness

Senators challenge Hegseth on the withdrawal from Afghanistan and accountability for military decisions.

• Senator Duckworth (09:24): "Your failures, Mr. Secretary, since you've taken office has been staggering... When will you actually focus on our nation's war fighting mission?"
• Secretary Hegseth (Various): Evasive responses emphasizing loyalty to the President and dismissing criticisms.

5. Combating Anti-Semitism Within the DOD

The episode addresses concerns about anti-Semitic sentiments within the Department of Defense.

• Senator Rosen (19:27): "Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories... shouldn't be anywhere near a position of power. Will you dismiss Ms. Kingsley from her role as a US military spokesperson today? Yes or no?"
• Secretary Hegseth (19:56): "Any suggestion that I'm... party to anti-Semitism is a mischaracterization."
• The lack of decisive action from Hegseth fuels criticism about the administration's commitment to diversity and inclusion.

Notable Quotes

• Senator Slotkin on Military Integrity (02:00):

  "He had more guts and balls than you because he said, 'I'm not going to send in the uniform military to do something that I know in my gut isn't right.'"

• Senator Hirono on Ethical Orders (04:18):

  "If ordered by the President to shoot peaceful protesters in the legs, would you carry it out?"

• Senator Kaine on Base Renaming (05:27):

  "Civil War. Why did you decide that these four patriots were not worthy enough to have their names on a base?"

• Senator Duckworth on Military Funding (09:24):

  "Your failures, Mr. Secretary, since you've taken office has been staggering..."

• Senator Rosen on Anti-Semitism (19:27):

  "Anti-Semitic conspiracy theories... shouldn't be anywhere near a position of power."

Brothers' Analysis and Insights

Throughout the episode, Ben, Brett, and Jordy provide their perspectives on the intense political drama unfolding. They emphasize the potential threats to democracy posed by the administration's actions and the importance of accountability within government institutions.

• Ben highlights the erosion of democratic norms and the dangers of military overreach.
• Brett critiques the administration's handling of military resources and personnel decisions.
• Jordy injects humor while underscoring the seriousness of the Senators' concerns, making complex political issues more relatable to the audience.

Conclusions and Implications

The episode concludes with the Meiselas brothers stressing the need for vigilance in preserving democratic values and the rule of law. They call on listeners to stay informed and engaged, emphasizing that the actions of government officials have profound impacts on the nation's future.

Key Takeaways:

• Military Overreach: Concerns about the use of military force against civilians and the blurring of lines between military and law enforcement roles.
• Historical Accountability: Debates over honoring historical figures and the implications for modern military culture.
• Influence and Accountability: The role of external influences, such as social media personalities, in high-level military decisions raises questions about governance and integrity.
• Combating Prejudice: The administration's approach to addressing anti-Semitism within the DOD is a critical measure of its commitment to diversity and inclusion.

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Transcript

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[Democratic Senator]

He had more guts and balls than you because he said, I'm not going to send in the uniform military to do something that I know in my gut isn't right.

[News Anchor]

That was Democratic Senator Slotkin cross examining Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth and telling him, you don't have any balls, you pathetic vile human being. You Democrats were not holding back at all. Let me show you that full exchange when Democratic Senator Slotkin looks at Hegseth and tells him that he does not have balls.

[Democratic Senator]

Play this clip giving that order to your predecessor to a Republican Secretary of Defense who I give a lot of credit to because he didn't accept the order. He had more guts and balls than you because he said I'm not going to send in the uniform military to do something that I know in my gut isn't right. He was asked to shoot at their legs. He wrote that in his book. That's not hearsay.

[News Anchor]

There was another part of that incredible cross examination by Democratic Senator Slotkin. Let play it.

[Democratic Senator]

They can arrest all day long. That's the job. Do they have the ability the uniform Military to arrest and detain protesters currently today.

I.

It's a yes or no thing authority.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

It's sort of, it's sort of amusing the extent to which the speculation is out there. These troops are given very clear order.

[Democratic Senator]

Then what is the order? Then list it out for us. List it out. Did you authorize them to detain or arrest? That is a fundamental issue of democracy. I'm not trying to be a snot here. I'm just trying to get the act actual. Did you authorize them to do that?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

All of these orders and they're. And what they're sent there to do are public. They are there.

[Democratic Senator]

So say it. So say it. Yes or no?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

I'd like to please.

[Democratic Senator]

Yes or no?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

As I've said time and time again through interruption, they're there to protect law enforcement.

[Democratic Senator]

Do they have the ability to arrest.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Trying to do their job, Deporting illegals who were allowed in by the previous.

[Democratic Senator]

Administration so they cannot arrest and detain citizens of the United States. The uniform military, as we've stated, if.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Necessary in their own self defense, they could temporarily detain and hand over to ice. But there's no arresting going on. And you know this better than you're trying to play political games. There's no arrest cyber of US personnel.

[Democratic Senator]

Of the US Military against members of the protest. Have you authorized US military cyber tools to investigate people participating in these protests? Yes or no?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Certainly in no way that I'd be aware of.

[Democratic Senator]

Okay, that's good. I love that answer. That's great. Have you given.

[News Anchor]

Next you have Democratic Senator Hirono and here she's cross examining Pete Hegseth and she asks, if ordered by the President to shoot peaceful protesters in the legs, would you carry it out? I think, as Julia Davis says, can you just answer no. But notice that Hegseth refuses to answer. Here, play this clip.

[Democratic Senator]

If ordered by the President, I'm going to ask you once again to shoot peaceful protesters in the legs. Would you carry out such an order from the President?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Senator, as I've said before, of course I reject the premise of your question and the characterization that I would be given or are given unlawful orders. It's all meant to attempt to smear the commander in chief.

[Democratic Senator]

Considering that the President in his first term actually ordered such a thing, it is not a premise that you can reject. He can order do the same thing. So you're again, I think you would just follow what the President wants you to do.

[News Anchor]

Next up you have Democratic Senator Tim Kaine. Here he is cross examining Pete Hegseth about changing the name of American military bases back to the names of Confederate traitors. And Senator Kaine has the family members, the descendants of some of the people who the bases are now named after, who are going to have their names removed to bring back in the Confederate traitors. Here, play this clip.

[Democratic Senator]

Civil War. Why did you decide that these four patriots were not worthy enough to have their names on a base?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Well, Senator, as you know, this was never about the names of the bases they were renamed to. So you don't.

[Democratic Senator]

So you challenge all bases, restoring all.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Bases to their original names were not about erasing.

[Democratic Senator]

Okay, you wanted to. You don't care about their military record. You wanted to restore the Confederate names. When you called the Greg family to tell them that you were their dad's name was no longer going to be on the base, what was their reaction?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Senator, the army notified them of that.

[Democratic Senator]

You didn't call any of the families. And I've spoken with the families and the families were called by the press. That's how they learned about this. They learned about it from the press. You didn't call the Barfoot family, the Greg family, and you didn't call the Adams family. I told the families I'd ask you about this today. In fact, two of General Gregg's granddaughters, Avery and Sidney, are right here in the audience. And I want to ask you this as I close. While you announced that these brave men and women's names would be stripped from the Virginia bases, no orders to that effect have been received by the base commanders. In light of the patriotic service of Van Barfoot, Arthur Gregg, Charity Adams, and Mary Walker, I'd like to ask you simply not to issue the orders changing the names of these Virginia bases. These families, my commonwealth, are very proud of these heroes, very satisfied with these names, and asked you not to change them. Will you honor these exemplary patriots and keep their worthy names in places on the bases they loved and where they served?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Well, Senator, we very much thank and appreciate them for their service and we'll find ways to recognize them. But the orders will soon be going to those bases to change the names back to the original name that never should have been changed.

[Democratic Senator]

But you have the power to not send those orders. They haven't gone out yet.

[News Anchor]

Correct.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Thank you, Senator. Your time has expired.

[News Anchor]

Senator Craig, next up in this cross examination of Hegseth by Democratic Senator Elizabeth Warren. Hegseth admits that the Trump regime will not be following orders of any court other than the Supreme Court. Thus they will not be following District Court and court of appeals orders. If you listen to what he's saying here, play this clip.

[Democratic Senator]

How many troops can you deploy domestically before you start to cut into our readiness internationally?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

As I said, previous administrations deployed our National Guard all around the globe in numbers far beyond what we were capable of supporting. So limited contingencies inside the United States to protect federal law enforcement is doable.

[Democratic Senator]

To remove troops from American city streets, will you do so?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Can you repeat the question, please?

[Democratic Senator]

Yes. If Supreme Court orders you to remove troops from American cities, will you do so?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

As I've said, Senator, I don't believe district courts should determine national security policy. But if that was rules on a topic, we will abide by that.

[News Anchor]

Here's the cross exam by Democratic Senator Peters of Hegseth. Let's play it.

[Democratic Senator]

Meaning military actions in Yemen. So, given your focus on accountability, how will you demonstrate this accountability to the.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Men and women in the US Military.

[Democratic Senator]

If the Inspector general finds that you improperly disclosed information?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

That assessment is pending at this time. That is a hypothetical question, but the gentleman's time has expired. I think your answer is clear. You are not going to be held accountable. Thank you very much, Senator Peterson. Senator Mullen. Talking about accountability, I wonder who was held accountable for the disastrous withdrawal out of Afghanistan.

[News Anchor]

Yeah, so that would be a no right there. Here is Democratic Senator Duckworth laying into Hegseth. Let's play it.

[Democratic Senator]

Colleague from Oklahoma. I believe the Secretary of Defense has just responded last week and admitted that the $1 billion mission that he led against the Houthis, who do not have a navy, has not restored the transit of US Flag commercial vessels through the Red Sea, and in fact has resulted in the of two F18 Hornets to the tune of 200 million, $60 million a piece. As well as I believe the Last count was seven Reaper drones to the tune of another $200 million. You are blowing through money like my fellow cadets and I did in our first liberty after basic camp. Luckily, I didn't end up with a questionable tattoo. Your failures, Mr. Secretary, since you've taken office has been staggering. You sent classified operational information over signal to chest thump in front of your wife, who, by the way, has no security clearance, risking service member lives in the process. You blew the $1 billion fight against the Houthis, whom again, as my colleague says, has no navy, and yet you lost all of those aircraft. You've created such a hostile command environment that no one wants to serve as your Chief of Staff or work with you in other senior DoD leadership roles. But what we should all be talking about more than all of this is that you have an unjustified, un American misus of the military in American cities pulling resources and attention away from core missions to the detriment of the country, the war fighters and yes, the war fighting that you claim to love. I don't know if this is because you are too inexperienced and incompetent to understand the real threats facing our country or if it's because you are just an unqualified yes man who can't tell the President how to keep Americans safe. You are focusing on renaming bases for Confederate generals. You said just now to Senator King that to a man and to a woman, we would rather be associated with the old Confederate names. Well, I am one of those women. I served at Fort Rucker, Alabama, a base that was named for a traitor who took arms against the United States of America, led troops who killed Americans. It was renamed for Mike Novosel, a medal of Honor recipient who in his citation for the Medal of Honor includes that he saved 29American lives. To include hovering backwards in a helicopter towards an enemy bunker where a wounded American was laying and saved that and save that person, including after being taken fire himself. I know a little something about what it takes to fly a helicopter when you've been hit by enemy fire. That was heroic. I'd rather be associated with Mike Novosel than a failed Confederate traitor. I don't know whether you are inexperienced or too incompetent, but I wonder when you will actually focus on our nation's war fighting mission. We know that California is just a deliberate, systematic, political and dangerous campaign led by you. We should not be using our military to pay cops against Americans. General Kaine, as chairman, you know what's.

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[News Anchor]

Another powerful moment by Democratic Senator Hirono. Play this clip.

[Democratic Senator]

Do you plan to unleash this lethal force against U.S. citizens and civilians in LA and other cities?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Well Senator, I would reject most of the characterization of that statement including lethality against US cities when all of those National Guardsmen and marines have protected conducted themselves with the utmost of professionalism defending our federal agents. Americans deserve to be able to do their job to deport illegal immigrants after the previous administration.

[Democratic Senator]

Reclaiming my time million to rhetorical responses I would like to have a professional response that I would expect from somebody who is the Secretary of Defense.

[News Anchor]

Going back to Democratic Senator Duckworth right here.

[Democratic Senator]

Instead of patrolling American neighborhoods and standing in front of federal buildings, they should be rehearsing call for fire emissions. We have local police who can stand in front of those federal buildings. And the list of distractions goes on. You are encouraging the DoD workforce to go work for DHS in increasing numbers. You're pulling the military away from facing foreign enemies who literally say things like death to America. And you're putting troops with weapons aimed at Americans. Mr. Secretary, let the military get back to its real job. Stop forcing them to do dhs. And if you want to be DHS secretary, maybe you can apply for that job when you're fired from this one due to your incompetence disinterest.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Time has expired.

[News Anchor]

Democratic Senator Rosen right here wants to know why is it that right wing extremist conspiracy theorist Laura Loomer had a say in the firing of General Howe and why and what went down? And notice Hegseth refuses to answer. And then he has the audacity to tell the Democratic senator your time is up. And she's like, you don't tell me when my time is up. The hell are you? You. You pathetic individual. Play this clip.

[Democratic Senator]

I'm going to move on to General Hawk. The sudden inexplicable dismissal of General Hawk. He serves both director of the National Security agency, commander of U.S. cybercom. It's deeply concerning. Raises significant questions about the decision making process, its potential consequences. Public reports indicate that the removal of General Hawk, who has served his country proudly, has been influenced by social media, media influencer and influencer personality on social media. Laura Loomer spreads conspiracy theory. She's been denounced even by Republicans. And the idea is that any leaders within our agencies responsible for our nation's security, somebody would be dismissed based on the advice of a social media influencer is alarming to say the least. It's surely not how we should be running our military. So were you consulted regarding General Hoxton dismissal? Yes or no?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Well, Senator, I would not advise believing everything you read in the media.

[Democratic Senator]

Were you?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

And I'm consulted on every single decision. I'm the decision maker for the department and we all serve at the pleasure of the President. And we have the prerogative to make those decisions.

[Democratic Senator]

What was your recommendation? Did you personally approve Mr. Hawk's dismissal? Yes or no.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Anyone coming or going at the Defense Department, especially at that level, would ultimately be a decision made by me and.

[Democratic Senator]

I stand behind him. Would you? Did you personally relieve him? Yes.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Anyone at that level? You did would be relieved by the Secretary of Defense.

[Democratic Senator]

Is there. Was there a specific justification for General Hawke's admissal? Was this. Was there specific justification for General Hawks dismissal?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Ma' am, we all serve at the pleasure of the President. And the President deserves the type of commanders and advisors that. That he thinks will best equip him.

[Democratic Senator]

With Laura Loomer prior to his removal.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

I don't discuss who I talk about anything with, but ultimately this is my decision. And he serves at the pleasure of the President, and that's why he's no longer there.

[Democratic Senator]

So do you believe it's appropriate for any social media personality to influence personnel decisions in your department? Yes or no?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

I believe your time is up, Senator.

[Democratic Senator]

Oh, it is not up to you to tell me when my time is up.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Well, the time.

[Democratic Senator]

And I am going to say, Mr. Secretary, you're either feckless or complicit. You're not in control of your department. Yours is unserious. It is shocking. You're not combating anti Semitism within your ranks. It's a dangerous and pivotal time in our nation's history. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I yield back. And I don't appreciate the smirk, sir. You are the Secretary of Defense.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

The time of the gentle lady has expired.

[News Anchor]

One more clip of Democratic Senator Rosen right here. Let's play it.

[Democratic Senator]

So would you also agree then, that anti Semitism and anti Semitic conspiracy theories have no place in our government or military? Yes or no?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

They should not.

[Democratic Senator]

Thank you. So would you also agree that anyone who has posted, and I'm going to quote, anti Semitic conspiracy theories lifted right out of a neo Nazi playbook, end quote, shouldn't be anywhere near a position of power. Yes or no?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Since I don't believe the characterization of many officials in the news media, I would need to see precisely what's being characterized.

[Democratic Senator]

But generally. But generally. Would you not say that if generally speaking was coming out of a neo Nazi playbook, it doesn't have any place in our Department of Defense? Now, Secretary Hegset, the quote that I just read you was referencing Ms. Kingsley Wilson, the DOD press secretary. It's a direct quote from her, who my Republican colleagues on this committee have also expressed alarm over due to her comments. In fact, one colleague said, and I'm going to quote again, obviously I don't agree with her comments. I trust the Pentagon will address this. End quote. However, in the months since, not only have you not addressed these anti Semitic comments, you have promoted Ms. Wilson. This seems to be at odds honestly with President Trump's commitment, very public commitment to combat anti Semitism, which you just said you two agreed with. So Secretary Hegseth, given the rise in anti Semitic violence hate crimes in our nation and to show that the Trump administration, the Trump administration, your administration does have a zero tolerance policy for anti Semitism, will you dismiss Ms. Kingsley from her role as a US military spokesperson today? Yes or no?

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

Again, that's why I referenced the context and characterization, but we'll send you the card. I've worked directly with her. She does a fantastic job and there's any suggestion that I'm I or her or others are party to anti Semitism is a mischaracterization attempting to win political points. You're attempting to win political points on the backs of mischaracterizing the statements of a member Trump administration.

[Democratic Senator]

Not serious.

[Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth]

I'm not going to stand.

[Democratic Senator]

You are not a serious person. You are not serious about rooting out fighting anti Semitism within the ranks of our dod. It's despicable. You ought to be ashamed of yourself. I'm going to move on. Just General Hawke.

[News Anchor]

Powerful stuff. And what a weasel Hegseth is. What a weasel. Pathetic human being. Unserious human being that he is right there as well. By the way, if you want to know what some of the posts were of that social media, a person who's now become the main spokesperson for the Department of Defense praising Robert E. Lee spreading anti Semitic conspiracy theories, praising the far right wing extremist German party AfD saying how praising the great replacement theory, praising Christian nationalism. That's who is now one of the top officials at the Department of Defense who hegseth right there was supporting we hit subscribe. Let's get to 5 million. Thanks for watching.

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