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Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene
Really like President Trump. I also think he's, he has a.
Host
Great pulse on things.
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene
But on this issue, the American people really want to see transparency.
Host
It's become one of those basically fractures.
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene
That is too big to ignore.
Host
Then you had MAGA Republican Congressmember Bacon. Here's what he had to say. Let's play it. I just support transparency. I'm willing to vote on a bill.
Congressman Clay Higgins
Should be standalone bill. So I think what's going on. Transparency put everything out. I think if there's anything hidden, it's probably in the court system, but we.
Host
Should ask for it. What do you mean by the administration's handling of this? I mean, they're saying that all this is going to go out and come out and then backtrack on it.
Congressman Clay Higgins
Well, they were. They misled people to think there was a lot more there.
Host
Then you had MAGA Republican Congress member Scott Perry. Here's what he had to say. I just think it's important that the.
Congressman Scott Perry
American people know what's occurred here.
Host
The president wants to move on, though. He says it's time to move on. I been very clear on my opinion on this issue for a long time. Are your constituents clamoring for this information? Some are, yeah. And here you have MAGA Republican Congress member Chip Roy and MAGA Republican Congressmember Ralph Norman. Let's listen to what they had to say. Play this clip.
Congressman Scott Perry
I think the administration will put more stuff out in August and like I said, if they don't, then I promise.
Host
You there's going to be some more.
Congressman Scott Perry
Looking at this in the first week of September.
Host
You'd have to be have your head.
Congressman Clay Higgins
In the sand to say that this is going to go away.
Host
It's not.
Congressman Clay Higgins
The public deserves it. I assure you that we'll be working together in a bipartisan manner to make certain that, that every word is perfect and reflective of what our agreements were today.
Host
Then you have MAGA Republican Nancy Mace. Now, Nancy Mace did try to protect Donald Trump in this House subcommittee. She tried to insert language that says only the credible information can subpoenaed from the Department of Justice. But the Democrats pushed back on that and said, how would you determine what's credible or what's not credible? And then the MAGA Republicans tried to add some additional language like, okay, but we're going to go after information related to the Clintons and relating to what Biden's DOJ was doing. And the Democrats were like, sure, go for it. Get the info about the Clintons. If you want to put language about Biden, all good. We want full transparency. So here you have MAGA Republican Congresswoman Nancy Mace. And she's like, like, look, we got to have transparency on this one. Here, play this clip. And I'm going to, I'm going to.
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene
Amend the motion to protect the identity of the victims.
Host
What do you think of the speaker adjourning the House early to avoid this whole fight of Rep Stain?
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene
This fight's coming no matter. I mean, this is here and I, I've made it part of my life's mission to protect women and kids. And I think that, you know, I'm ready to take this vote. I think we should take this vote and move forward, move this country forward. And the victims deserve justice and people deserve transparency is what they want, Then.
Host
You have MAGA Republican Congressmember Warren Davidson. Here's what he's got to say.
Congressman Clay Higgins
I don't really see why we would.
Host
Do anything other than bring Pam Bondi.
Congressman Clay Higgins
In and say, you know, to committee of jurisdiction and say, you know, please explain.
Host
Would you want to hear her testify? Pam Bondi? Yeah.
Congressman Clay Higgins
I mean, I'm not on that committee, but, you know, I really would like the committee of jurisdiction to bring her in and say, you know, hey, you start this off, you've got binders. Please explain. You know, we are led to believe.
Host
There are going to be some prosecutions.
Congressman Clay Higgins
If we're going to prosecute, we assume there's going to be convictions. And I think that's really the disconnect.
Congresswoman Nancy Mace
Right.
Host
And now you have MAGA Republican Congressmember Thomas Massie. And he's been saying MAGA Mike is scared. Here, watch this. What do you make of the Speaker's.
Co-Host
Handling of this issue over the last couple of weeks?
Congressman Thomas Massie
I think he's scared. I think he's terrified. I think. Well, I mean, 80% of MAGA, once these files released, they were promised this, they expected this, and it's not happening. But at the same time, he feels an allegiance to President Trump, who's gone against the MAGA base on this. So I think he's torn. I think the right thing to do would be just leave it up to the People's House, let us vote on whether release these files or not. And I hope he does not try to use some kind of parliamentary procedure to subvert or hide the release of these files.
Co-Host
Just to follow up on what you said earlier, like, you don't think the public pressure is going to go away over the next five weeks? Could you see it lasting as long as, you know, 26 midterms that follows Republicans through that, depending on how they.
Congressman Thomas Massie
Vote, this will be an issue that does follow Republicans through the midterms, and it will follow each individual Republican through the midterms. It will follow people into their primaries. Did you support transparency and justice, or did you come up here, get elected and fall into the swamp? Did you decide that getting reelected was more important than exposing a pedophilia ring and a blackmail ring? If you did, then maybe you shouldn't be coming back. And that'll be a referendum in every primary and every general election in the United States in 2026, which is why I'm urging people to get onto my resolution to co sponsor the release of these files before we go into August recess. There's only six legislative days between when I released this, introduced this bipartisan resolution and the August recess. But we need some seven legislative days to start collecting signatures and force the vote. As soon as we get back, there's going to be a vote on this unless the speaker subverts it.
Host
And here's Massie again. Let's play it.
Congressman Thomas Massie
Well, it wouldn't really matter. Their Epstein bill resolution is non binding, so it's kind of fake. The the resolution that I have co sponsored with Ro Khanna would actually bring up legislation that would be binding.
Co-Host
Is your understanding that that will ripen the day after lawmakers get back from August recess?
Congressman Thomas Massie
Yeah, unfortunately we have six days and we needed seven days for the discharge petition to ripen before we could bring this up before the August recess. So we'll have to bring it up after the August recess. But the good news is the speaker has no interest in keeping us here one extra day because this will ripen in an extra day.
Host
Have you heard from the President?
Congressman Thomas Massie
I've not heard from the President directly.
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I d a s Now let me show you what went down. I had to give you all of that as background. Right? So now go into this House Oversight subcommittee and you have Democratic Congress member Garcia, the ranking member of the House Oversight Committee right now. And then you have Democratic Congresswoman Lee. They planned this. They knew they had the votes. I showed you a lot of that video. They knew they had the magnificent Republican Congress members in the room who would vote for this. The hearing was on another matter and it was right before MAGA Mike was able to send Congress into recess. So the Democrats pounce, they said, actually want to add this amendment to release the Epstein files. Let's subpoena the doj. And then Clay Higgins who chairs this committee, he's like, oh okay, let's go into recess. So you're going to watch that. Then they come out of recession and then they take a vote on it. By the way, you'll see that Lauren Boebert was just a no show right there. They take a vote on it. It's obvious that the ayes, the yes release it, issue the subpoena, beats the nays, beats the no votes. But then you'll see. I just wanted to spell it out for you so you know what you're watching here. Cuz you know these maneuverings in Congress can be a little bit weird. So then Clay Higgins is like the no's habit. And it was like, what are you talking about? The voice vote was clear that the ayes have it. The yes released the subpoena. The DOJ is like it's no. And you'll see some Congresswoman Lee looking at him and going it was yes. And then Congressmember Garcia is like roll call. And then you'll see it was an 8 to 2 vote against Donald Trump. Meaning the MAGA Republicans joined with the Democrats when they were put on the spot. So with that as background, watch what went down. You're going to love this. Here, play this clip document to the record listing the members of this committee and their individual calls to release the Epstein files.
Congressman Clay Higgins
Sorna without. Without objection, the subcommittee stands in recess subject to the call of the chair.
Congresswoman Nancy Mace
Point of order. Are we not going to take the vote?
Congressman Clay Higgins
We're in recess. That was a previous order.
Congresswoman Nancy Mace
Yeah.
Host
Mr. Chair, we need to take the the vote from the motion.
Congressman Clay Higgins
We'Re in recess pursuant to previous order which passed without objection and we will move to those votes. So this is. This is out of order conversation. I'm just being polite. We had a previous order that we moved without objection. This would be moved until the after deliberation subject call the chair on office today.
Congresswoman Nancy Mace
We have a plan recess children will nothing.
Host
So. So when is the actual. When are we. When are we back in session for this commit subcommittee after votes that subject.
Congressman Clay Higgins
To the call of the chair as I stated. So we're going to talk about the previous order. So stand by. And now we will be calling up Ms. Lee's motion as amended. All those in favor say aye. All those opposed no. No. Any opinion of the pardon Independent chair the no has it recorded Voter recorded vote is called for. The clerk will read the call the roll.
Co-Host
Mr. Gosar, Mr. Biggs, Ms. Mace. Ms. Mace votes aye. Mr. Perry. Mr. Perry votes aye. Ms. Boebert. Mr. Jack.
Host
Aye.
Co-Host
Mr. Jack votes aye. Ms. Lee? Ms. Lee votes yes. Mr. Bell.
Congressman Clay Higgins
Aye.
Co-Host
Mr. Bell votes aye. Ms. Simon? Ms. Simon votes aye. Ms. Pressley? Ms. Presley votes aye. Mr. Garcia.
Host
Aye.
Co-Host
Mr. Garcia votes aye. Mr. Chairman. Mr. Chairman votes no. Mr. Biggs is not recorded. Mr. Biggs votes nay. Mr. Chairman, on this vote, the eight. The ayes are eight. The nays are two.
Host
Now here's Congresswoman Lee talking about what went down in her own words. You've had a hell of a day.
Congresswoman Nancy Mace
So thank you so much for being here. So a lot has happened today and I just tried to outline it. The full oversight committee said is going ahead with the subpoena. What happens next? Well, next, after. After Comer signs it, right? He said it. He has to sign it. He signed the one for Maxwell within 24 hours. So he says that we expect it. Then the DOJ has to release those files to the federal law enforcement ranking subcommittee to the minority and majority, and we go from there. But right now, what we ask for were the unredacted complete fouls. At the end of the day, if someone has participated in child sex trafficking, I don't care if they're a prince or a president or if they're anybody in between, they should be held accountable. They were just trying to make this a both sides thing to make up for the fact that they are being hypocrites, that they said that this is what they want. You saw, right? We read off all of the members of the subcommittee who called very publicly for these files to be released. We saw that they ran on this in the last election From Trump on down to all of his folks, they all ran on this. So they're just trying to distract from the fact that they're being hypocrites, that they know that they're choosing to protect Donald Trump over the very victims that they keep giving lip service to, that they're choosing to protect Donald Trump over transparency for the American people, that they're calling for the very base and all Americans of all different parties. And that's really what that was about.
Host
Okay, now here is Lauren Boebert being a no show. Play this clip.
Co-Host
Votes aye. Ms. Boebert, Mr. Jack.
Host
Aye.
Co-Host
Mr. Jack votes aye.
Host
By the way, here's what Senator Murkowski has to say about these files. Play this clip.
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene
Speaker Mike Johnson is sending the House home so they don't have to vote on it. So do you that sounds like you think they should just release everything, Just be done with it. Be done with it. If in fact there's no there there for the president, get it out there. Just get it out there and be done. Does it give you any pause with the reporting tonight that his name, he was told his name is included in it. That doesn't mean that he did anything wrong. But do you think that is a factor in why they have been hesitant to put more information out? It's so hard to determine what may or may not have been a factor. But I don't think it's any secret. Certainly the president has not made it a secret that years and years ago he was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein, and that was a time prior they had had a falling out and there has no engagement since. But, you know, so if there's really nothing there, again, just put it out. Get this behind us. And again, what you're seeing happening now is the country is talking about this. Well, at the same time, the Congress has so much work that we need to be doing. We don't need to be caught up in the chatter about what is in, what is not in. But we can't get to it because of this. I view it as a political distraction. And I think if the administration wants to get beyond it, if President Trump wants to get beyond it, just get this stuff out there and let's move forward now.
Host
MAGA Mike Johnson was none too pleased. Earlier in the day, MAGA Mike was claiming, why would we pass any resolutions here to urge the administration to do something they're already doing. The administration's already saying that they're going to release the files. No, they're not. What are you talking about? The administration trying to cover up the Epstein files for Trump. MAGA Mike Johnson, you pathetic loser, you. You just got outmaneuvered by Democrats. Play this clip.
Congressman Scott Perry
I will not allow the House to be drug into political gamesmanship.
Congressman Thomas Massie
Promises that Republicans made to voters over Jeffrey Epstein. Why not more of a sense of urgency?
Host
Why not just hold the vote today?
Congressman Scott Perry
There's no point in having a vote today because the administration is already doing everything within their power to release them. They've gone to the grand jury. They've requested the courts to unseal the documents so that they can be released. The President himself has said all credible evidence should be put out to the American people while protecting the innocent. That's where we stand as well. There's no point in passing a resolution to urge the administration to do something that they are already doing. And so that's why we're going to let that process play out. This is not out of fear in any way. What we're trying to do is maximize transparency and stand for the truth. Let me say this very important. We want every single person who is involved in any way in the Epstein evils to be brought to swift justice. We want the full weight of the law to fall upon their head. And I will do everything within my power to make sure that is possible. That process is underway right now, and we'll see how it plays out.
Host
Folks, there's some real cracks in this regime right now over the Epstein files. And then you have MAGA Mike Johnson, you know, say, we're not scared. We're. We're not fearful of any of this. What are you talking about? We're totally cool here playing this clip.
Congressman Thomas Massie
They're concerned.
Host
I mean, obviously, we've seen the conservatives shut down the House floor routinely. You saw that you had to pull the rule because of fear of Epstein votes.
Congressman Scott Perry
No, we don't have any fear. No, no, hold on. No, Reese. No, there's no fear here. No, there's no fear. There's no fear. We're not going to allow the Democrats to use this as a political culture. Remember, they had four years. Hold on. The Biden administration held the Epstein files for four years. Not a single one of these Democrats or anyone in Congress made any people about that at all. They could have brought a discharge petition at any point in the last four years. They chose not to. They waited until President Trump was elected. I think that's very suspect. And I. I will not allow the House to be drug into political gamesmanship.
Host
Okay, okay, there. MAGA Mike Johnson. Sure. So now what happens? So now we have a subpoena being issued to the Department of Justice. Turn over the Epstein files. At the same time, we know from that new bombshell Wall Street Journal report that Donald Trump's name is all over the file. So redact the victim's name, turn over the files. So now what's the Department of Justice going to do? What's Bondi going to do? Is she not going to turn it over? Is she going to obstruct which will make Donald Trump look extra guilty, especially now that we know his name is all over it. Another development as well that I want to mention is that the Epstein victim's lawyer was on MSNBC last night and said, you know that binder, the leather bound binder for Epstein's 50th birthday that Donald Trump sent that birthday card about? You know, enigmas never age. And let's keep our secrets always. We'll always share secrets together. Remember, the lawyer for the Epstein victims says that binder is with the estate. So all you have to do is subpoena the estate of Jeffrey Epstein and then you can get that binder. So then Democratic Congressmember Ro Khanna heard that and said, okay, we're going to subpoena that, that we're going to get that leather bound binder and we'll show the world, you know, that that was actually Donald Trump who wrote that letter. And we'll prove, we'll prove that as well that he was lying. What you going to do now? MAGA Mike Johnson and also earlier in the day, Democrats outmaneuvered MAGA Republicans again and they called for and got the subpoena to take the deposition of Ghislaine Maxwell. Now, how did Donald Trump try to deal with the Ghislaine Maxwell deposition by the House of Representatives? Well, that's why Donald today is sending the Attorney General Pam Bondi and the deputy Attorney General Todd Blanche to meet with Ghislaine Maxwell. And Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer told the Wall Street Journal words to the effect that we're excited to meet with the Trump administration and see what they have to say. Ghislaine Maxwell's lawyer also told CNN before we're taking this one step at a time. So before we determine how and how she's going to participate in deposition with the House of Representative to see how the meeting goes with the Department of Justice, hint, hint, they are angling for a pardon, a commutation, a retrial or something to that effect. But now, even though the Trump regime is clearly trying to in my opinion do some deal with Elaine to silence her in exchange for something. On the other hand, you now have the, you have the House of Representatives going right for the files that the Department of Justice has through another subpoena. So this is maximum pressure and you gotta give credit to Democratic Congress members here all the way at the top. Leader Jeffries is the one running the show. But then you've got Democratic Congressmember Garcia and you've got a whole bunch of Democratic Congresswoman Lee and all these people, they figured out how to do it and put these Republicans on the spot that's fighting back in my opinion. We'll keep you posted every step of the way. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million subscribers. Love this video. Continue the conversation by following us on on Instagram. It's touch and help US blow past 1 million followers.
Detailed Summary of "Whoa! GOP Turns Against Trump as Bluff Is Called" – The MeidasTouch Podcast
Release Date: July 24, 2025
In this compelling episode of The MeidasTouch Podcast, hosts Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas delve into a seismic shift within the Republican Party. The episode, titled "Whoa! GOP Turns Against Trump as Bluff Is Called," explores how a majority of Republicans in the House Oversight Subcommittee have unexpectedly turned against former President Donald Trump and MAGA Mike Johnson by issuing a subpoena to the Department of Justice (DOJ) to release Jeffrey Epstein's files. This move marks a significant departure from the party's previously staunch defense of Trump, signaling internal fractures and a potential realignment within GOP ranks.
The Epstein files have long been a point of contention and speculation, given Jeffrey Epstein’s connections to numerous high-profile figures, including Donald Trump. The controversy intensified as new reports emerged, particularly a Wall Street Journal bombshell indicating that Trump’s name prominently featured in Epstein’s records. This revelation has fueled demands for transparency and accountability, putting pressure on political figures from both parties.
Democratic Strategy and Preparation
Democratic Congresswoman Summer Lee and Congressmember Garcia orchestrated a strategic move within the House Oversight Subcommittee. Anticipating support from certain Republican members, they planned to issue the subpoena once the subcommittee was in session. Their foresight was evident as they recognized the potential to secure an 8-2 vote in favor, despite initial expectations of unified Republican support for Trump.
Initial Obstruction by MAGA Republicans
Congressman Clay Higgins, the MAGA Republican chair of the subcommittee, attempted to derail the vote by declaring a recess. At [16:08], Higgins states:
"We're in recess pursuant to previous order which passed without objection and we will move to those votes." [16:08]
Despite his efforts, the predetermined plan by Democrats prevailed. The vote proceeded, leading to an 8-2 decision against Trump.
Several Republican members, including those aligned with the MAGA faction, voiced support for releasing the Epstein files, highlighting a notable shift in their stance:
Congresswoman Marjorie Taylor Greene emphasized the need for transparency:
"But on this issue, the American people really want to see transparency." [04:10]
Congressman Scott Perry underscored public demand for accountability:
"The American people know what's occurred here." [04:49]
Congresswoman Nancy Mace advocated for unredacted files:
"We have to have transparency on this one." [06:33]
Congressman Thomas Massie criticized the administration’s delays and urged action:
"If you did, then maybe you shouldn't be coming back. And that'll be a referendum in every primary and every general election in the United States in 2026." [08:37]
These statements reflect a growing bipartisan concern for uncovering the truth behind Epstein’s connections, even among those previously seen as strong Trump allies.
The culmination of the subcommittee's deliberations was a decisive 8-2 vote to subpoena the DOJ for the Epstein files. Detailed records of the vote reveal the alignment of both Democratic members and defecting Republicans:
Ayes (8):
Nays (2):
At [16:21], the Host summarizes:
"Mr. Chairman votes no. Mr. Biggs votes nay. On this vote, the eight ayes are eight. The nays are two." [16:21]
This vote signifies a critical breaking point, as prominent Republican members chose transparency over partisan loyalty.
Democratic Momentum and Republican Defections
Democratic Congresswoman Nancy Mace articulated the significance of the vote, highlighting the prioritization of justice over party loyalty:
"If someone has participated in child sex trafficking, I don't care if they're a prince or a president or if they're anybody in between, they should be held accountable." [18:07]
Subpoenas to the DOJ and Ghislaine Maxwell
Following the vote, the DOJ is now obligated to release the Epstein files to both the minority and majority subcommittees. Additionally, the episode discusses attempts to subpoena Ghislaine Maxwell's deposition, with the Trump administration seeking to mediate her participation, potentially hinting at efforts to secure her silence.
Critical Statements from MAGA Mike Johnson and Controversy
MAGA Mike Johnson reacted defensively to the subpoena, dismissing the significance of the vote:
"There is no fear here. We're not going to allow the Democrats to use this as political gamesmanship." [21:58]
However, Congressman Thomas Massie countered Johnson’s stance, emphasizing the repercussions for Republicans failing to support transparency:
"If you supported transparency and justice, or did you come up here, get elected and fall into the swamp?" [08:37]
This exchange underscores the internal conflict within the GOP, balancing between adherence to Trump’s legacy and the growing demand for accountability.
The issuance of the subpoena against the DOJ to release the Epstein files marks a pivotal moment for the Republican Party. With key MAGA-aligned members breaking ranks to support transparency, The MeidasTouch Podcast highlights the emergence of cracks within Trump’s loyalist base. This development not only challenges Trump’s influence within his party but also sets the stage for potential realignments heading into future elections. As Democratic leaders capitalize on this opportunity, the GOP faces a critical crossroads: continue defending Trump or pivot towards greater transparency and accountability to regain public trust.
Notable Quotes with Timestamps
Marjorie Taylor Greene:
"But on this issue, the American people really want to see transparency." [04:10]
Scott Perry:
"The American people know what's occurred here." [04:49]
Nancy Mace:
"We have to have transparency on this one." [06:33]
Thomas Massie:
"If you did, then maybe you shouldn't be coming back." [08:37]
Clay Higgins:
"We're in recess pursuant to previous order which passed without objection and we will move to those votes." [14:10]
Nancy Mace:
"We want every single person who is involved in any way in the Epstein evils to be brought to swift justice." [16:58]
Marjorie Taylor Greene:
"If there's really nothing there, again, just put it out. Get this behind us and let's move forward now." [18:35]
Thomas Massie:
"This will be an issue that does follow Republicans through the midterms." [08:37]
This episode serves as a critical examination of the shifting dynamics within the GOP, highlighting the balance between maintaining party loyalty and addressing the urgent calls for transparency and justice. The MeidasTouch Podcast provides listeners with an in-depth analysis of these developments, enriched by direct quotes and strategic insights from key political figures.