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Wow. So a massive altercation took place in the White House between Donald Trump and President Zelensky. Donald Trump attempted to intimidate Zelensky by screaming and yelling at Zelinsky in the Oval Office when the cameras were shut off. And he was saying, you better just take what I'm giving you. Let Russia take your land. Let them take what they've already taken over in the Donbass and you need to shut the F up. Apparently Trump was cursing and screaming at Zelensky. Then Zelinsky stood his ground and said, how dare you ask me to do those things. That is absolutely unacceptable to Ukraine, to the Ukrainian people. We are going to fight and you need to be tougher. You said you were going to give us long range missiles. You said you were going to give us Tomahawks. You said you were going to sanction Russia. Donald, this is absolutely pathetic the way you are behaving. They started screaming at each other. This was 24 hours after Donald Trump spoke with Vladimir Putin and the Russians. While the Ukrainian delegation had just arrived for this long planned meeting where Trump was supposed to impose these sanctions against Russia and then give Ukraine these long range Tomahawk weapons. Zelinsky shows up, he finds out that Putin's been saying, oh, we should give Donald Trump the Nobel Peace Prize. And Putin saying, I want to speak to you, Donald. And then they started talking about building tunnels or bridges from Alaska to Russia that Putin said that he was going to pay for. And then Putin's delegation gave the Trump regime these. This like propaganda Kremlin files on JFK so that Donald Trump could try to divert attention away from the Epstein files, which is not working. And I predicted, I said that when I heard about that Putin Donald Trump call that lasted two hours that took place right before the Zelinsky meeting, within like 12 to 24 hours before I said, oh, that's the Linsky meeting is going to be a disaster. Cuz Trump is getting his marching orders from Putin. And it was a disaster. Almost seemed like almost a physical altercation was going to take place. The way Donald Trump was behaving in the Oval Office. From all of our sources and other reporting out there, it was like 10 times as worse as what happened on cameras when it was that first Zelinsky and Trump meeting. And Zelinsky held his ground, though he would not back down at all. And then Zelinsky posted immediately after that meeting that he had spoken to all of the leaders from the Coalition of Will that willing everyone from UK's Prime Minister Keir Starmer to the President of France, Emmanuel Macron to the Canadian Prime Minister, to all the European leaders. They all got on the phone together, and Zelensky said, look, Donald Trump is a Putin bootlicker. Take a look at what he's doing and his behavior. We're on our own. We cannot trust this guy. He's terrorizing the Ukrainian people. And what he does is he feeds false hope as part of his plan with Putin. Okay, we're gonna sanction two more weeks. We're gonna give you the weapons, only then to try to use that time as a wedge and weapon to harm Zelensky. Take a look at this reporting right here from the Financial Times, also from cnn. Apparently, Donald Trump tossed aside maps of the front line in Ukraine. He shoved these Putin maps in Zelinsky's face, and he said, look at this, Zelensky. You have to surrender the entire Donbas region to Putin. You understand? Look at these maps. This is your new land. You take it, Zelensky. And he echoed the Putin talking points over and over again. And then apparently there screaming taking place. The Financial Times, if you're like, oh, bad, that's just being hyperbolic. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. The Financial Times describes this as a shouting match with Trump cursing the entire time. People familiar with the matter said. And then Donald Trump said, what? You want to be destroyed? Putin's going to destroy you. And Zelinsky is like, you don't understand the dynamic of this war. Putin's taken over, what, like, 1% additional territory and has lost 1.3 million Russians holding our ground. And it's you, Donald, who are the freaking problem, because since you came into power, all of a sudden, the drone strikes and the ballistic missile strikes into Ukraine have got so much worse. And then Trump was like, you don't know what you're talking about. Putin told me this, Putin told me that. And then Trump's like, you know, the Russian economy's booming right now. It's doing great, just so you know. And Zelinsky's like, what are you talking about? The Russian economy is crashing right now, and if you just did what you're supposed to do and impose sanct, it would be further crashing. We're striking the oil depots, we're striking their energy sector, and the Russian economy suffering right now. You don't know what you're talking about. And then Trump's like, you better take it or you're gonna lose everything. And Zelinsky's like, dude, just shut up. What the hell are you even talking about. So that's what went down at that meeting. The other Financial Times article from Honor around that period was Trump resist Zelensky's plea for Tomahawk missiles. Weird way of framing it. Trump resists Trump's regime. Everybody from Marco Rubio, the Secretary of State, to Senator Thune, the Majority Leader in the Senate, to Lindsey Graham, they all said, oh, we're. Remember Lindsey Graham a few weeks ago? Oh, we're gonna make sure we add Russia to the terrorist list. Remember, Lindsey Graham did that at the press conference. I've spoken to Donald. He says that they're getting those long range missiles. We're gonna do it. Trump. Trump's being tough. No one's been tougher on Putin. Lindsey Graham, you are a fool. MAGA Republicans, you are a fool. By the way, did y' all realize that we've reported on this before that the Secretary of Defense, who calls himself unlawfully the Secretary of War, that pathetic coward. Pete Hegseth, the Fox Weekend host, wasn't even good enough to be a weekday host and then became the Secretary of Defense to just further humiliate the United States. He was wearing a Russian tie. To the meeting with Zelensky, a Russian tie. And all of the Russian press propaganda services like TSS and even Dmitri of the Russian sovereign wealth fund guy who's been speaking with the MAGA Republican Congress members, they're like, oh, we love his tie. He's wearing the Russian colors. Just think about it. Pete Hex at the Secretary of Defense, unlawfully calling himself the Secretary of War, shows up to the Zelinsky meeting in a Russian tie. A Russian tie. I just want you to think about that. So then after reaching out and speaking with his European allies and saying, look, Trump's working for Putin basically is essentially the message that Zelinsky sent in so many words. Not that exactly, but basically he's, he's doing Putin's bidding. Folks, we gotta do something. Then Zelensky goes on Meet the Press, which the way the Meet the Press host frames this question is so pathetic. But watch what Zelensky says when Kristen Welker asks him, does Trump need to get tougher with Putin? Zelinsky says, yes, but the wind up to this question is so pathetic. She's like, so we all know that Donald Trump successfully negotiated a peace deal in the Middle east between Israel and Hamas by being tough on both sides. Do you think that this is needed? What do you. This is why our press doesn't necessarily need to be met other than with strong words of what the hell are you doing? There's, there's a defective, fraudulent cease fire. There's not a peace deal in the Middle East. Let's be clear. What the hell happened? Trump doesn't support a two state solution. Netanyahu doesn't support to two state solutions. Netanyahu's right hand. Smooth. The finance minister talks about building more settlements in Gaza. 36 Palestinians have been killed since the ceasefire. There have been strikes in southern Gaza. Hamas has not disarmed. They said, why would we disarm the peace agreement, which is a fake. Ceasefire agreement wasn't even signed by Israel or Hamas. They're not signatory, just random countries ended up signing. Imagine doing a mediation, but the countries that are actually involved are not doing the mediation. Just think about, you know, that dynamic right there. Now, I think this is really important for me to bring this up. 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Volodymyr Zelensky
Yes, and even more because Putin is something similar but more strong than Hamas. It's more bigger war and he is the second army in the world. And that's why more pressure.
Narrator/Host
And then this Zelensky says the following about Putin. You know, if it's the largest territorial country in the world, why do they need more kilometers? What the hell are they doing here? Play this clip.
Volodymyr Zelensky
I don't understand why the leader of the country, which is the biggest, which has the biggest territory in the world, they need some more kilometers. That's why I think that this war is. Is not about the land and not about territories. For, for him, it's about our sovereignty and about our independence. And he can get it how to get different instruments territories. One of the instruments. That's about it on the battlefield. He's not winning. That's why he really escalates air strikes. And you are right, he using missiles and drones on our. He wants disaster, you know, energy disaster. During this winter by attacking US each day 500 Iranian drones. Each day 500 Iranian drones and 20 sort of missiles. That's why we need the air defense and long range. He has to feel what we feel.
Narrator/Host
And then Zelinsky's. This is Zelensky did this press tour after that disastrous meeting with Trump. Here, play this clip right here. There has to be a ceasefire in place before you.
Volodymyr Zelensky
I think, yes.
Narrator/Host
Russia has launched some of its biggest attacks against Ukraine since President Trump's summit with President Putin in Alaska. Give us a sense of what's happening right now on the battlefield. Is Ukraine losing this war or winning this war?
Volodymyr Zelensky
Well, we are not losing this war and Putin is not winning. And really these his army now in the weak, weak position? I think so. Because they really, from the beginning of this war, they could occupy 1% of our land, but they spend 1,300,000 people.
Narrator/Host
I just want to show you all that. Back on October 16, 2025, before the Zelinsky meeting, I predicted what was going to happen. I'm not trying to spike the football. I'm just want to. Because there's not a spike the football moment that Donald Trump's a Putin bootlicker. I'm just trying to tell you because we study what these moves are. We're not buying corporate news narratives. I'm just trying to say this is obviously what's going to happen. The same way we're. He did not refer to the defective ceasefire as a peace deal. I said, I said, what are we talking about? It's obviously not a real ceasefire at all. Why, why are you acting like this guy brought peace to the Middle East? Why are you putting him on the COVID of Time magazine? He didn't do anything like, what the hell are you. What. What the hell? Biden got 83% of the hostages back. He wasn't spiking the football. And go, oh, look at me, look at me. Anyway, here's what I said on October 16. Let's play this clip right here. He's meeting with Zelensky tomorrow. In many ways, though, I actually think it's not great timing because it's right after the Putin talk and Trump's still going to be feasting off the Putin talking points. So I'll focus on what's going to happen there. But if I. If I was betting, knowing Trump's psychology, I think that in pathology, I think it's not going to be a good meeting. And I say that because Trump seems to be emboldened by believing that he actually just brought peace to the Middle east, which he did not do. And I think he's gonna go there and try to intimidate Zelensky in a way that I don't think people are. I'll see if I'm right or wrong. But I think I'm right about that one. I think I have a good sense of his pathology. And now I think those clips have more context when you know exactly what just went down. And, of course, you had Putin before that meeting saying, oh, Trump should get a Nobel Peace Prize. He should get a Nobel Prize Peace Prize. Um, and then I just want to share this with you as well, um, because Donald Trump then claimed he'll be meeting with Putin in Hungary with Viktor Orban soon. So then reporters, like Huffington Post reporters, then asked the White House, and can you please tell us, so the President of the United States plans to meet with Putin in Hungary. And when reporters asked, where did that plan come from? This was the reply from Trump's communications head and Trump's press secretary. In response to Huffington Post query about who suggested Budapest as the location between Trump and Putin, White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt responded, your mama did. And White House Communications Director Stephen Chung said, your mom did. This is the level of maturity coming from this despicable, vile, grotesque location now called the White House. And then finally, when Trump was asked earlier last week about the Tomahawk missiles going to Ukraine, Donald Trump said, well, we need him. America needs them. Why would we give them our Tomahawks? Here, play this clips. Did you know what the Tomahawk missiles. Did you just. Well, we talked about it a little bit. Didn't say much. But I do say to you, you know, we need Tomahawks for the United States of America too. We have a lot of them, but we need them. I mean, we, we can't deplete for our country. So you know, they're very vital, they're very powerful, they're, they're very accurate, they're very good. But we need them too. So I don't know what we can do about that. Well, there you have it folks. I think that about sums up everything that went down in this essentially almost a brawl taking place in the ov. Let me know what you think. Hit subscribe. Let's get to 6 million and thank you for watching. Love this video. Support independent media and unlock exclusive content, ad free videos and custom emojis by becoming a paid member of our YouTube channel today. You can also gift memberships to others. 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Date: October 20, 2025
Hosts: Ben, Brett, and Jordy Meiselas
Theme: Breakdown of the explosive Oval Office confrontation between Donald Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, analyzing the implications for US foreign policy, Ukraine’s war effort, and the broader struggle for democracy.
The Meiselas brothers delve into the high-stakes, explosive meeting between Donald Trump and Volodymyr Zelenskyy at the White House, a session that devolved into a shouting match, with Trump pushing Russian interests and Zelenskyy refusing to yield. The episode details this confrontation, connects it to Trump’s earlier phone call with Vladimir Putin, and examines the aftermath—including Zelenskyy’s outreach to Western leaders and his candid remarks on American media. The hosts provide sharp critique of the US media narrative, MAGA Republican figures, and the Trump administration’s alignment with Putin.
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Trump attempts to bully and intimidate Zelenskyy, yelling:
Zelenskyy's powerful rebuttal:
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The hosts criticize Meet the Press’s framing of Trump as a peacemaker in the Middle East, with Ben fact-checking the false narrative of a “ceasefire” as a real peace agreement.
Kristen Welker’s Question:
“Part of President Trump's success with Israel and Hamas was that he applied pressure to all sides. Does President Trump need to get tougher with President Putin?” (Kristen Welker, Meet the Press, 10:17)
Zelenskyy’s Response:
On Russia’s motivations:
On the battlefield situation:
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Zelenskyy standing tall:
“How dare you ask me to do those things. That is absolutely unacceptable to Ukraine, to the Ukrainian people. We are going to fight and you need to be tougher.” (paraphrased, 00:23)
On US complicity:
“Lindsey Graham, you are a fool. MAGA Republicans, you are a fool.” (Narrator/Host, 08:08)
On Russian aggression:
“If it’s the largest territorial country in the world, why do they need more kilometers?...This war is not about land...it’s about our sovereignty and our independence.” (Zelenskyy, 10:49)
The hosts’ media critique:
“What the hell happened?...There’s not a peace deal in the Middle East. Let’s be clear.” (Narrator/Host, 10:00)
The episode is fueled by the Meiselas brothers’ trademark incisive banter—direct, pointed, occasionally exasperated—blending legal and political analysis with doses of humor and incredulity at the current White House. They don’t mince words when calling out MAGA Republicans, the media, or incompetence in US leadership, frequently using punchy, memorable language.
This episode is an unflinching account of a turning point in US-Ukraine relations—a president in the Oval Office siding with Russia, a world leader standing up to bullying, and a media environment failing to cut through the fog of propaganda. The MeidasTouch Podcast offers context, outrage, and trenchant analysis, framing the incident as both a diplomatic crisis and a test of America’s democratic backbone.
For listeners:
If you want a vivid, play-by-play on the chilling Oval Office confrontation and its global reverberations, this episode pulls no punches.