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I get no.
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I could. You do bear some resemblance to Glenn.
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I don't think so.
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You don't know? I see where the commenter is coming from.
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I was told at the last conference or said that I look like the British baking man. I don't know his name. Anybody know his name? A baking show?
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Yeah.
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The great Hollywood. Paul Hollywood, maybe.
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Okay, now I can't unsee it. So now you're the great British Bake off guy. Okay. All right. Welcome to off the Clock. I am Michael Knowles. I guess this is a show now. I don't know. This started because Matt Walsh and I hanging out at a Mayflower cigar retailer in Idaho. We decided to film it and take questions from Twitter. Always the most sane, balanced takes and questions on Twitter. And now we're at another great Mayflower retailer which is Nashville Cigar in Nashville, Tennessee. And I'm joined by my friend Father Dan Rehill, the Catholic priest and exorcist and a tobacco man. But you're not smoking right now.
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I'm not smoking right now.
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That's fair enough. I'll smoke enough cigars for the two of us. That's right. So I fear subjecting you to the premise of this show.
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Do not be afraid.
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As an exorcist, you've seen worse. Or at least on par. We'll see. We'll see. I posted here just some moments ago sitting with my friend Father Rehill for the next hour. Ask us anything. Just going to go down the line because I don't even know what this is. Satosh Katigater asks, what is your opinion on Soul Ties? Have you ever heard of that?
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Yeah.
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What is that?
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Well, ideally, when a husband and when a man and a wife get Married and a valid true marriage, the two shall become one as it's said in the scriptures. And so your souls are united for this grace filled moment in time when you're going to go through earth until death together. And it's a good thing, it's a positive thing. It's to help the couple flourish.
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Yep.
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However, if you're just hooking up and having sex randomly, you can have an unholy soul tie with that person. Which is why you sometimes find people that they say, I just can't like quit this person. I, I seem addicted or attracted, I can't get away from them. Yeah, it's the soul tie and they can be broken very easily. But if you don't know, you don't know.
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How do you break it?
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In the name of Jesus Christ, I break all unholy soul ties between this man and these women or whatever, however many he can remember.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And you break it and then you cast any demons associated with the soul ties to Jesus's cross to be dealt with by him.
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So is it not to be too graphic, I guess about it is it's formed by having sex. Basically. Yeah, I've heard some version of that before, you know, that the two become one, you know, and, and that this can obviously happen outside of marriage, but after the mass.
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I think the union of a husband and wife in the marital embrace is probably the most sacred thing that happens on the planet because it's the only time man participates in creation and even the angels can't do this. And so when they look at the tremendous power that God has given us to collaborate with him and bring forth a new life that will exist forever and never it will be either in heaven or hell till eternity. It goes on forever. It's a huge thing. And it's. There's such, of course, the way the hell has diminished the sexual act and turned into something that's so debased and violent in many ways for that very reason. They don't want people understanding what a beautiful and sacred gift it is.
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That makes sense. Jonathan asks, assuming the good Father has spoken to demons in his career, has he ever spoken to an angel?
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Okay, let's clarify. I do not speak to demons. I command them. I do not speak to them. Because there was a little bit of controversy with another exodus recently about that very point. We don't do that. We're not supposed to do that. But they do get commanded in the name of Jesus to go and shut up and stop behaving so badly.
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But you're not having conversations.
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No, I'm not talking with them. Angels are different because we can ask them for help. And so I do speak to my guardian angel every morning when I begin the day. I said, you know all that's coming and when you see it coming, if I need to be shifted in one way or another, just move me. He doesn't talk back to me that I hear, but I do, I do. I thank him every day and I ask him for help every day.
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Do you say the prayer that you taught as a kid?
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No, my guardian mirror. I just talk like I'm talking to a regular person.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah, it makes sense. Joey asks, what does an exorcism look like described to a guy who has only seen movies?
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Well, they vary in the way the manifestations occur. I will say this, the movie Nefarious is probably the most accurate depiction of a possession that's ever been portrayed in TV or movies. In fact, when I met the producers, I said, I don't know how you got this made because he kind of all his secrets are being revealed. And they said, no, it was very hard. It took years and we didn't think it was going to get done finally. But when it did get done, I said, well, you've done a great service to a lot of people who don't believe the devil's real. And he works so slowly and meticulously and patiently. Did you see the movie?
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I did. I thought. And I was like, when he says,
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okay, come into me.
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Yeah, yeah.
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And then he's like, nothing happened. He's like, no, but he's waiting for the moment that he really wants to use you. And that's going to be in that prison, the jail cell, the execution scene. So, yeah, don't be too curious about what the devil's doing. It's not a virtue. Curiosity. Focus on God and be a true disciple of Jesus Christ and you'll be fine.
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This related question. What is the best way to shield myself and family from demonic influences?
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Just that. Be a true disciple. Live your. The Catholic faith is the fullness of the truth. So the sacramental life is tremendously grace filled. If you're not Catholic and you want to at least investigate, go read some of the church fathers. Go read Ignatius of Antioch. Go read Tertullian. I mean, it's all right there. We've been doing this for 2000 years. When he said, do this in memory of me, he was talking about the mass.
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Yeah. Justin Martyr. Justin Martyr writes about the Eucharist. We have a hostile question from Pius XII's lawyer. Ask Father how he squares his terrible Christian Zionism with what the Church has taught for 2000 years. Now, that's the Twitter I expected.
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Okay.
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And you can't have a conversation on Twitter, but without it becoming about the state of Israel after about 47 seconds.
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Well, what is presuming. I'm. I really haven't talked about Israel in any post.
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Yeah, that doesn't matter. That will never stop anyone from asking about it. It is all. It's all anyone on Twitter wants to talk about. I think it's because most of Twitter conversations are emerging from bot farms in Pakistan, but I guess some actual human beings are talking about it. Is there some view that a Catholic has to hold on this question? The Vatican's given guidance, obviously, over the
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years that covenant was valid until it ended with the New Covenant. Yeah, the new. Jesus said, this is the new covenant in my blood. That's the covenant that will last for eternity. So come on. The objective was everybody to move over and just come along. What happened? So when you go back to Deuteronomy, Leviticus numbers, when God says, this is how you will worship me, he was very clear. There will be a priest, there'll be an altar, there'll be an animal sacrifice. There'll be blood. Yeah. And the covenant was in the blood. That went on right up until Jesus came. And then Jesus established the new covenant. Then Jesus sends the Father, and then in 70 AD, the temple is destroyed and they don't know what to do. So they have a council and they decide we're going to read from the scrolls and give a teaching. Fire the priests. We don't need them. Make more rabbis. We need more rabbis. Build more synagogues. And that's what they've been doing for 2000 years. No new king, no new prophet. Nothing happened.
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Yeah.
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You must. At some point you have to reevaluate. Did we miss something? Because nothing's happened. Okay. The irony is when Calvin and Luther and all these breakaway, they adopt the inert model. No priest, no altar, no blood, no sacrifice.
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Right. A primarily, if not exclusively didactic exercise.
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Yeah, I'm just. I mean, just. It's very clear. I'm not punching down on anybody. I'm just saying this is what happened. And we want everybody to be Catholic. We're not, like, trying to be exclusive. We want you to come in, but you have to take a moment to just say, is it possible I got this wrong? Maybe there's. Maybe this is the answer. Maybe this is the way this Is the church Jesus founded.
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I heartily agree. As you may have guessed.
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Heartily.
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I heartily. I heartily. Not hardly agree.
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The kids in confession. I heart.
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Yeah, yeah. Mariano asks, what invites possession?
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One mortal sin is all it takes. Now, that rarely happens for people who
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don't know, because some of my friends, especially certain schools of Protestantism, they either don't know about or don't believe in a distinction between a mortal sin and a venial sin.
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Well, it's actually scriptural as well, right?
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From St. John. Yeah. But a moral sin.
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So a grave sin, something that is grave, you know, Murder, blasphemy, sexual proclivity outside of marriage, doing all sorts of things you shouldn't be doing. There's. There's many ways, but the fastest way is to get into witchcraft or the occult. That's. That's like straight. You're going all in two feet. And you will think you have power for a while, because that's how they get seduced, is that they're going to have all these things that they're going to be able to do and cast curses and spells. But eventually the devil turns on everybody and there's no favorites. He hates all of humanity.
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Doesn't sound very attractive, actually. Can the laity affect. You're going to have to explain to me this question. Can the laity affect ex opere operantis ecclesiae, or is it just the clergy of the church that affect it? Thank you. God bless. Did you catch the X? My Latin is a little weak. Ex opere operantis operantis.
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Okay, so that means that the work is done by the people, not by itself. So the sacraments are ex opera operato. The work is performed from themselves. Right. And the grace is there as long as you have the right matter and form. Yeah, it will happen. I could execute all the altar service in the sacristy right before Mass and still celebrate a valid Mass.
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Right, right.
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I will be going to hell. But the bread and wine will become the body and blood of Jesus.
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Right.
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He does not hold his people captive by bad priests. However, when it comes to Albertus we're talking about, the work comes from the faith and the virtue of the one ministering the blessing and the one receiving it. So exorcism falls under that. Holy water, blessed salt, all the sacramentals, metals, all that falls under that. So if you go to a priest and say, can you make my water holy water? And he does this and walks away. Go find another priest. You want somebody who's going to invest the time and the effort to put in the right formula, use the exorcism salt, put on a stole, all of it.
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Mr. Omega, I know that Jehovah's Witnesses are false, but is there genuine occult or free Masonic behavior happening in them? Like the Mormons? They really wanted to offend as many people as possible with that question. This is specifically, I guess, about Jehovah's Witnesses. Is it a cult or Masonic? I've never heard that the Jehovah's Witnesses were Masonic.
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Yeah, I've not heard that either. I would just put them into another religion that has moments of truth, but not all.
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That's all I can say is LDS Masonic. I've never heard of that.
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I haven't heard that either.
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Yeah, okay. All right. It's a very Twitter, though. Very Twitter question. How did you get so tan asks Leftists of Minnesota.
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I spent a lot of time outside.
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We'll do it.
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I was just in Montana on a mountain for a week outside.
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Sean asks, what do you make of J.D. vance's comment that aliens are probably demonstration.
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Yeah, I agree with him.
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Yeah. Yes.
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I think I've said that for years, as has Ripper.
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You may have gotten it from you
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probably five exes that have all said that. Sadly, one of them got penalized.
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That's right. Oh, yes, he was. His faculties or something were taken away, Right?
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Yeah.
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Why? Why is that?
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You'd have to ask the Cardinal. I don't know. Maybe he's a big Star wars guy. I have no idea. I don't know. I don't know him.
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But I've always long assumed that aliens are either an illusion or a foreign government or something. Or just. Or demonic.
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There is a line in the catechism that says that man is the only corporal being that can know love and serve God. We know the angels can, but they don't have bodies. So that kind of. It's not scripture. But it is the catechism.
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Right. Question from David. Do demons benefit from media exposure? Should exorcism return to being something clandestine? Why or why not? I'm not sure if it ever was clandestine.
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Well, clearly before TV and radio and all the other things, it would have been much more private. Exorcists weren't even known by the public. Okay, that's true. What happened? Life changed. And our job gets more difficult when people are uneducated about the facts of what you should and shouldn't be doing. And so gradually, more and more exorcists started posting just for the catechesis and education of the public in hopes that our job would get easier. Yeah, that's it. And does that benefit the demons? No. Can media benefit the demons? Absolutely. Anything that perpetuates sin is going to make the demon's life easier. So, like, look at it. All the social media, all the envy, all the. The anger, the. All the pride. It's all. Yeah. I mean, somebody once said something to me. They said, you know, Instagram is selling you envy, Twitter is selling you anger, and Facebook's just selling you.
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What is LinkedIn? Is that avarice? Maybe.
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Yeah.
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I don't. I don't know. Love, Father Dan. I'll be watching. But Ava does not have a question. The power of X compels me to watch this. Okay, fair enough. Is smoking a sin? Asks Josiah. I hope not.
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I would probably put it in venial just because it is working against your health.
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Now, is there an argument, as I've made to my wife, however, all the
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priests I know in Italy smoke. Yeah, that's a requirement.
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That's right, Padre Pio. I think there's a story that one of the signs of his bilocation or something was tobacco. Yeah. And. Yeah. Okay. All right. That actually makes me feel better because I've argued to my wife that smoking can have health benefits. Smoking cigars because it relaxes you and stress is a real killer. But I'm just gonna rest it on. Good enough for Padre Pio. Good enough for me. I'll take it.
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Probably a good stance.
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A number of people noting the similarity to Glenn Beck. Apparently that's a very widespread observation. Josh says, specifically, as an exorcist, does his practice differ much from that of Eastern Orthodox?
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I don't know what they do, to be honest.
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Right. You never see an Eastern Orthodox exorcist in a movie.
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No, there was, and we didn't have any in our exorcism school in Rome either, so.
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Yeah.
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Not sure where they're going.
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Huh. But you do work with Protestant ministers who are doing deliverances and things like that?
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Not really. I mean, there's a guy up. Up here in Nashville, Greg. Greg something.
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Okay.
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And he actually just. I think he was on tour with.
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Oh, Erica.
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Erica. I think he was on that. Oh, wow thing.
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Yeah.
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But he had some trouble. Like, he was. He was learning on his own, and so he called for some help, and he wanted to, like, sit in on him. I'm like, no, it's not a spectator sport. You know, you don't get to do that. And then he got shot up. His house got Shot up with like 20 rounds. And I think he backed off a little bit. I'm not saying they're related, but he just said, I'm going to reevaluate.
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Yes. Correlation is not causation necessarily, but a lot of times it is.
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Could be.
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Wow. Gilver asks, do people have dreams that can be considered divine in origin if they only brought the person closer to God in the church? I can give specific examples, but I'm hesitant to do so publicly.
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Why?
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Yeah, why?
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Why are you so afraid of that? St. Joseph, all of his instruction was given in dreams that we know of. So answer is yes.
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Yeah, right. That's right. Like maybe the most important dream.
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Yeah, get out of town.
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Maybe any of us have ever get out of.
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Yeah, get out of town now. One can only hope you'd get that dream when it's time.
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Chris asks, what are the best pieces of scripture to lean on when entering a marriage? Do you have any prayers you recommend when your loved ones are going through hardship?
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Well, specific scriptures, you're going to have to. People are different. Different scriptures speak to different people. However, pray the rosary with your spouse and your marriage will get healed. Pray it every day together for the benefit of the other person in the marriage. So I'm praying this for you, honey. You're praying for me. And we're asking Jesus to come into this marriage and repair whatever needs repaired. I just give it 30 days and I guarantee you'll see a change.
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Good advice, Michigan. Joneson says, have you ever experienced a possession where language becomes incomprehensible?
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Yes. I barely speak English, so for me it's very difficult. When they start doing all the strange tongues. I wouldn't even know what they are unless I recorded them. I mean, I could tell Latin when I hear it, but a lot of times they're just. It's not something I know what it is. It could be a language. I don't know.
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Right, right. We're getting some repeats.
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There's nothing about anything else.
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Other than exorcism, you mean? Well, you got one marriage question. You got a lot of. You got a lot of Glenn back. Yeah. Let's see. Hold on. Here's another one. Exorcist. Can he exorcise the entire Democrat party by chance? They seem to be in need of that help. The Republicans could use it half the time, too. Okay. Conservatoxy says socialism is born out of materialism, but the pursuit of God is founded on both immaterial and. And material grounds because of Christ. How exactly do we Counter the material efforts of secular thought in order to better focus on that which has married the two together. More of a political philosophy question, maybe, than theology.
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Can you dumb that down for me?
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Yeah, I don't. The modern secular world is fundamentally materialist. I guess I would challenge the premise, though, in the sense that, like, transgenderism is more of a gnostic ideology. It's. It says. It's really kind of the opposite of materialism. It says your true self is not your body. So I don't know. Yeah, I guess post Marx, everyone is kind of materialist and we deny the soul and we deny love and dreams and hopes and all that, but not really, you know, we don't actually live that way. So, yeah, I guess I would question the premise.
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Okay, so I have friends who are very Catholic and very much in love with God, and I have friends that have no relationship with God. And both can be good people. Right. But the difference is they see everything through a different lens.
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Yeah.
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The two lenses are different. When St. Paul says, Be transformed by the renewal of your mind to know what is good, pleasing, and whatever the rest of it is, that's what he's talking about. Like, you have to make a conscious decision to start seeing things through the eyes of, like, the way God. Not that we can know his mind perfectly, but we want to know things through that lens of how would he be perceiving this situation. He's always looking for everyone getting to heaven, right?
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Yeah.
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And he gives a lot of time for people that are off the track. I was off the track for a long time, and he waited patiently until I got back on the track. Right. But I think we have to view people not in terms of do they agree with what I believe, but are they created by God and loved by God? And there has to be something in them that I can, you know, find pleasant.
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Yeah.
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You know, I mean, with rare exception, if you're a mass murderer, you know, it's going to be harder. Yeah, but do we bump into those people every day? No, I don't. But, you know, the guy cut you off on the highway every time I get on 65. You know, one day I was really pissed off and I kind of muttered something, and the Lord spoke right to me in my heart, and he said, if you knew what they were going through, you would. You would be so sad for them. And then I felt horrible. Of course, I had to speed up to see this person because I'm like, let's see what they look like. And they were crying.
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Really?
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Yeah. They were. Something was going on in their life that was very traumatic and they were, they were crying as they were driving. They weren't really paying attention to the road. That's why they wove in and out. But that I never forgot that because I always think in terms of. Well, that was one thing. Then recently I was in Seattle and they picked me up in a Tesla that drove itself. And the guy who's supposed to be driving is doing on his phone, he's chit chatting like this. And the car is weaving in the traffic, weaving, changing lanes. And I go, aren't you going to pay attention? He goes, no, the car, it does, it knows what it's doing. He goes, however, sometimes it does try to pass somebody and they cut it too close and it will cut somebody off. So if you ever get caught off by a Tesla, it could be the car.
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Yeah, okay. And then I won't feel bad about cursing off the car. Purely material.
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So we don't always know. It's really. You can see what's the behaviors, but you don't know why it's happening.
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That's an amazing story. Not because God spoke to you, because God does speak to people. And like, it's all true. The thing is, it's all true, but it's often very surprising, even if we tell ourselves that. But someone listening to that story would say, well, no, look, you're a Catholic priest. You're trained, informed in such a way that you are more inclined to consider the other person and not to form.
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I'm a cynical New Yorker, so that's not true. Before I was a priest, when I worked on Wall street one day, this is post conversion, so I was fully active in my faith. But I'm walking down that long walk of Broadway to the down to wall and at the bottom there's a park. It was the middle of winter, it was freezing, had a big wool coat on. And that voice again said to me, go into the park. There's someone who's under the tree who's going to die if you don't get them up because they have no coat on and it's like 10 degrees. So I'm like, is this me?
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Yeah.
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Yeah. Well, let's just see, right? I go into the park right under the. He said it was under a big pine tree under the big truck. There's a guy laying there in a T shirt and jeans passed out and I'm like, wow, this is actually real. So I wake him up and I bring him over the 120 wall, which is the building across from my building 111 wall. And there's. But they had that portico that was heated. So I said, you're going to warm up here. Just stay here. And then I took off my coat and gave it to him. And I'm walking away and realized, oh, crap, my keys are in the coat. So I go running back, and he had this horrible face of sadness. They thought I was taking the coat back. I'm like, no, I just want the keys. Give me the keys. I need my keys. Keep the coat. Went along my day. But, like, when that stuff happens, it's his way of letting you know. That is me speaking to you.
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Yeah, right. It's not just your own head.
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No idea. I couldn't make that up.
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Right. And you can't even. Just the tears coming down the driver's face. In a way, it's almost more a sign for you than anything else. Because there's this line right at the beginning of the summa theologiae, where St. Thomas. Right. It's like page one, effectively, he says, you know, when you're reading, when you're exegeting scripture, letters and words are signs. They're symbols and signs. They signify something else. But because God is the author of creation, things are signs as well. It's not just conventional signs like letters and words, but like the guy driving and the tree and all those are signs. Those are meaningful.
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Right.
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And you can actually. You're not imbuing them with meaning. God has imbued them with meaning that you are perceiving.
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This is for everybody.
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I hope the co work.
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God wants to speak to everybody.
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I hope the coat wasn't too expensive, was it?
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It was a nice coat.
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I literally heard the words, come, follow me audibly, like we're speaking. Did you not know that?
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I don't think I knew that. I knew the circumstances around it.
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Yeah. So I came back to the church in Medjugorje. I was away for 22 years. Then I come back to New York City, and you have to start engaging your faith. So I had to get rid of some friends that weren't that healthy. I joined the Wall Street Young Catholic association to make some new friends. Started going to daily mass, praying the rosary, all of it. I was going to Our lady of Victory, which is right there on Chase Plaza.
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I used. I would go to Our lady of
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Victory, and this little priest said, you know, you're going to need a spiritual director. So I said, okay. Does everybody have one? He's like, no, but you'll need one. I said, okay. And the first thing he said was, did you ever ask God what he wanted to do with your life? And I said, no. Does anybody do that? He goes, well, I did it. I go, yeah, but you're a priest. I asked all my college roommates. There's a group of us, we get together every year. Does anybody. Did anybody do that? No, nobody did that. You know why? Because in the 70s and 80s, you went through. We all went through prep schools. You have a guidance counselor. You take an aptitude test. Oh, you're good with numbers. You go into finance or engineering or something like that, and you go do that. You find the college, you get the job. That's what we all did. Nobody said, what do you want me to do, Lord? So I would recommend that now to people. But I didn't. I never heard that.
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Do you know what my guidance counselor aptitude test told me I should be?
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Politician.
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Mime.
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What?
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Yes, it said I should be. I would have expected something politic. No. And now I think it gave me a mime. I think it gave some options. I said, first of all, who wrote the test? Yeah, you could see actor, politician, whatever.
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Mime.
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Mime. Like, you know, gum behind the ear. Yeah.
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Wow.
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Yeah. And I failed at that calling. Thank God I've heard this. I have some friends. Who are you Know, they have, like, the direct line to the Holy Ghost. You know, they got the speed dial to the Holy Ghost, who have told me experiences where they say, yeah, I heard an audible.
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That's the only time for me ever. So I prayed that for 18 months. Lord, what do you want from my life? November 5th of 2000, I was sitting at Sunday Mass, 7:30am back at my parish where my parents were, and there was nobody really sitting near me. And I was just knelt down after communion, and I heard the voice say, come, follow me. So we turn around and there's nobody there. And it dawns on me, oh, it's you. Okay. So I took Monday off to pray about it, and Tuesday I resign.
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This is not meant to be a glib question. What did he sound like?
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A strong, firm but compassionate. It's an odd combination because it was very clearly a strong voice, but it wasn't like anger or mean. It's just very confident. Come follow me wasn't a question. Okay. And oddly, we were talking about this before we started filming. Of course, I ran out and got a tattoo that said, come follow me. Because that's what you do.
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Later on you say, should I have gotten. Is that the message?
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Don't do that.
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Patty says, I haven't been to confession in 20 plus years. I'm afraid to go help.
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Okay. Find a church that has a private confession that it's not face to face.
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I hate the face to face.
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I don't even offer it. Yeah, it's for my protection, too. Get a good examination. Examination of conscience. Bulldog Catholic is about the best one I've ever seen. Just put into Google. Examination of conscience. Bulldog Catholic comes right up. Go through the whole thing, make a list. If you have to go to the priests, sit in there, just say, it's been 20 years. I need a little help. But in the examination, it'll give you the starting words. Make the sign of the cross. Bless me, Father, for I have sinned. It's been 20 years. You're gonna unload all your baggage and you're gonna come out feeling like a million bucks.
A
Yeah.
B
And you're gonna say, why didn't I do this sooner? So just do it. You have an intellect and a will. Go do it.
A
I asked you once, I said, I noticed this thing where I go into confession. I've committed however many whatever kind of sins, and I'll be. It's not just that they're on my mind, but they'll physically sort of manifest. And if I'm angry or if I'M lustful or if I'm feeling whatever, you know, these dispositions and these activities kind of have physical aspects. And I said, I know why when I leave the confessional, I psychologically feel better, but I've noticed I will physically feel different. And do you remember the answer you gave me?
B
Because there's demons hooked into you and they're broken off. Yes. Then you're like, wow, it feels so good.
A
Yeah.
B
Imagine operating at 20% and you don't know why. And then this happens. You're like, well, we should be going, like, every week.
A
Yeah.
B
Our lady recommends once a month. But, you know, we have this thing like. Well, the Church says once a year. That was like in 1658 when they had that mandate. Things have changed.
A
Yeah.
B
You need to go more than once a year.
A
Yeah. Like, TikTok exists now, you know, YouTube and social media. Yes.
B
Only fans.
A
Only fans.
B
Yeah. Right.
A
I mean, just. I was thinking about this. There is pornography or quasi pornography on, like, every social media platform.
B
Yeah.
A
Before you even get to like, actual, like, hardcore pornography, which is the majority of the Internet, you just think this is just the sin of our age. Right?
B
Well, yeah. And what in Fatima, Our lady said, souls are falling into hell like snowflakes in a bonfire, because primarily of impurity. Sins against purity. So that was back when people were dressed from their neck to their ankles in burlap.
A
Right. Because sometimes you hear this from the Church, even they'll say, well, sexual sins aren't the worst sins.
B
I think Leo just said that.
A
Right, but the Pope said that. Yeah, but that can be true. Like, that was true for Dante. That was true for a lot of theologians. But it can also be true that sexual sin is what leads most people to hell.
B
The problem with sexual impurity in our day and age is it's right there at your fingertips 24 hours a day. That was never the case. If you wanted to look at dirty pictures, you had to sneak down to the. Whatever store and, you know, buy the magazine, hide it, sneak it in your
A
house in the foil. The magazine in the foil.
B
I mean, today the phone is such a bad thing, you know, in many ways, because of that. And just in the Internet in general, you know, it's just opened up a world of impurity to everybody that has access to it.
A
Right.
B
Which is basically everybody in the Western world.
A
You're right. And beyond even. Yeah. Hammer of Judea says, has he encountered Tucker's demon. This is. You know, there's a story. Tucker said that he was lying in bed and a Demon physically scratched him.
B
Oh, yes.
A
So I assume it's a slightly facetious question, but it does lead to a real. A real question, which is can. Can people. Regardless, I don't know if it could have been Tucker's dog. I don't know what it was, but can demons scratch you? Yes, they can.
B
Yeah. Yeah. I did have a case in Nashville with a man who lived alone with no pets, no children, no wife, was waking up with bite marks all over his body, including his back. You can't bite your own back.
A
And it couldn't have been a spider or something, you know?
B
You know, it was. Sets of teeth.
A
Was he. Was he possessed or did he.
B
He was not possessed, but he was oppressed. Yeah, I. I went through a period a couple years ago where I kept getting woken up by a demon that was suffocating me. And I couldn't breathe, and I couldn't get it off me, and I couldn't reach the crucifix above the bed. And so I would just say in my mind, I'd say, in Jesus name, get off. And this went on, not every night, but, like, maybe once a week for a few weeks. And it was starting to be annoying. Like, what am I doing wrong here? So one night, I just took the rosary from the nightstand, I took it into the bed with me, and it never happened again. But here's what's even weirder. About a month after that, I'm at a Boston Marian conference, and Monsieur and Rossetti's. There he goes. I have to tell you the weirdest thing that happened to me. Same exact thing. He's getting suffocated at night by this demon, and then he takes his rosary and it stops. So you go, well, that just happened to me a few months ago. So this must be how God wants us to confirm that this is actually a remedy.
A
Right?
B
Because why would we.
A
Right.
B
Right.
A
I do keep rosaries, like, everywhere. Not in a superstitious way. I don't want to do that. But because it's convenient to pray. You can pray the rosary on your fingers, I guess. But then you kind of lose track or whatever. In my mind, I lose track. So a more physical kind of person. And so I'll keep a couple in the car, I'll keep by the bed. But it's weird because. Yeah. The way you describe it, it's like God is allowing the demon to teach. To teach. Yes. Yeah.
B
So we can teach others.
A
Right. But it's not. The demon does not intend to teach. The demon intends to strangle suffocate me. Yeah. Right, right. It was a physical suffocation.
B
Yeah. I was thinking, is this how I'll be found? Just lights out. Yeah.
A
That's not a good way to go.
B
It's not a bad way.
A
You're in a state of grace, I
B
guess, in bed, sleeping. I mean, the worst things that could happen.
A
James Cali says, why aren't exorcisms more publicized? I feel like it could help convert a lot of people. Yeah. Like, you sometimes see this, especially atheists and materialists who say, I don't think this is true. I think you're all making it up or you're all delusional or something. You know, if this. If demons and exorcisms and all this stuff were real, then wouldn't you want to show people? Because, you know, it's like CS Lewis describing the scary, the uncanny, and the numinous.
B
Yeah.
A
If you could just convince them that this is real. You know, why don't you live stream an exorcism? And then everyone will believe that demons exist, and then they'll believe God exists,
B
because they won't believe. They'll say, it's AI. They'll say this. You know, if I picked up a mountain and moved from here to there, a third of the people will right away believe. A third of them will say, that mountain was always there, and a third will know what to think. Yeah. That's just the way people are. Yeah. So because we have such a great dignity as being human beings, we would never sub. Subjugate a person to being just a tool. A tool. Because you want to see it.
A
Yeah.
B
Like, that's so selfish. And it's so, like, it's all about you. Yeah. You want to be the one. What if you're the possessed person? Do you want to become, you know, demon man? When you walk into the grocery, like, there's demon man. What happens when you go to church? Everybody's like, oh, that one. Yeah. Poor Mary Magdalene. She did have to deal with that because everybody knew her as the woman with the seven demons. But for her, her love was at such a level of perfection for Jesus that she didn't care. But most people would care.
A
Yes. Yeah. Right. Not everyone's Mary Magdalene. D. Halliburton says, can people listening to podcasters that are casting spells and delusions and lies become bewitched?
B
You can pick things up through the computer. One of the worst cases I ever had was a guy, Christian, Catholic guy, young, 20s. He was trying to open his third eye through a YouTube video. And he felt the demon go into him. And that guy suffered for years.
A
And the third eye is like an occult New Agey.
B
Yeah.
A
It's your spiritual eye, your material eye. Who wants that? Why do people want that?
B
They think it's going to bring them power. Knowledge that. Yeah. The hidden knowledge that nobody has.
A
Yeah. That is. Like I've had. I've encountered people who are pretty hippie, dippy, like crystal people, ohms and all that kind of stuff. More generally, maybe on this, like you hear about this thing astral planing. Like a guy, someone once told me that he's walked on the sun. I said like, okay, buddy, but the idea of the astral planing, I. I guess is what. That a demon is actually giving you some real knowledge. Like the demon went to the sun. So that in a way, there it is kind of real.
B
Well, as long as what they're giving you is real. Right, because they're liars.
A
They're liars. Right.
B
That's their nature, to lie. So.
A
Yeah. Not the best. Okay. Not the most reliable. Okay. Can you become possessed through certain types of music?
B
Well, they can be an open door, yes. The metal music, I'm not going to name bands, but back in the 80s, Father Karapi used to talk about this, that when he was living the high life in LA as a multimillionaire in real estate, he was invited to some of these major bands launch parties where they had black masses to consecrate the album to the devil. And he witnessed it. So, you know, it's firsthand information. So they can do that and then they can ask the demons to attach the people to, you know, can give them some kind of a. That they want more and more of this music and they keep purchasing and buying and, you know, it keeps them hooked into it. So. Yeah, I don't, I don't think you want to do that. I think today the rap music is worse than metal and vile. It's.
A
Yeah, I. I've said to my wife many times that growing up is realizing your grandmother was right about everything. I. I've come to this conclusion. I come to it more and more each day. My grandmother, it turns out, was actually right about everything. Because people are going to hear what you say and they're going to say, oh, you sound like those church ladies from the 80s.
B
Just read the lyrics. When your lyrics are talking about raping people and killing people, that's not good.
A
Yeah, that's not good.
B
You want to give your kid that, right? Good luck.
A
You don't get that in the Brandenburg concertos, there's not a lot of raping,
B
even a lot of the country music. I mean, it used to be all about cheating and drinking. But cheating and drinking is one thing, murdering and raping is another.
A
Right, right. All right. Before I let you go, I know we gotta get you out of here. I'll take. Let's see, we'll do like one last question, but only if it's really, really good. People are suggesting I send you to various of their enemies houses, some of which are not the worst idea. Russell says the suffering in the garden was so great an angel was sent to help. The suffering of the trial and crucifixion was terrible, but only a man from Cyrene helped. It seems the garden was worse as he took the entire burden of our sins. Thoughts.
B
The cross was the reason he was born. He was the only man who was born to die. So the angels are not going to prevent him from completing his mission. That was the mission.
A
Right.
B
It was a rescue mission. They work for the same God. It would be insane to think they're going to send in angels to stop him from completing the one thing he came to do. Right. So that's it in a nutshell.
A
I've also never thought of it that way. That he's the only man who was ever born to die. That was like we, from Adam to us, we were born to live.
B
Yeah.
A
And we screwed it up.
B
Yeah.
A
And he was born to die.
B
Fix it. Yeah.
A
Right, Right. Okay, last question. This is from Politics Without Projection. I would love to know what he thinks of transgender ideology being a demonic force. You know, this was. It really hit its peak like three years ago, but it still crops up. I mean, the New York Times just. They just said on Father's Day that we need to honor like trans lesbian bearded mothers as fathers or something. So it's still there. And the left wants to bring it back. Is it simply weird and off and sinful and aberrant, or is it demonic?
B
Anything that's going to lead you to literally deform yourself or cut off parts of you that you don't think you need is coming from hell, I would say. Now, you may not believe that. You may not think that. You may think I don't have any ties to the devil, Fine. But he's. He is the original influencer, the og. Okay? And he's influencing people to think they need this one thing. Like Eve needed the fruit to be happy. She was perfectly happy before she met him.
A
Yeah.
B
He had everything. But that now is the focus of her life. Unless I get that, I'm not going to be happy. Unless I get this cut off, I'm not going to be happy. And then guess what happens? They're not happy when they do it. A lot of them are very unhappy. I'll just add one caveat to that that further supports that this is not good. If you look at an image of Baffman. I'm not recommending you do that.
A
I was going to.
B
Don't go Google it. But it's half man, half woman.
A
Yes.
B
This is an ancient depiction of the devil. He was playing that game long before we did.
A
He was trans. Yeah, yeah. The influencer thing really cuts close to home, father. As someone who is at least a part time professional influencer. Right. The devil is the first influencer. And he's selling the apple. Yeah, he's slinging apple promo code.
B
Well, we don't know if it was
A
an apple, but some kind of fruit. Fruit, yeah, Selling fruit promo code. Serpent for 10% off of hell. Before we wrap, we gotta have full house here. Any questions? Any questions for father before we leave? So a question just because I have a microphone is for someone seeking the will of God. In one's life, you have the God's sovereign will, moral will. Beyond that, how do we ascertain that?
B
Okay, the simplest way or the broadest way is to always look at what is producing good fruit. That will be something that is going to be leading you towards the path of heaven. If this is producing good fruit. Right. But in everyday decisions, you know, I start my day with the morning offering. I offer the whole day to the Lord and just say, you know, bless it or block it. Whatever is of you, let it flourish. Whatever is working against you, crush it. If I can't determine on my own because sometimes things look one way, but it's actually not what it seems. And you know, at the heart of everything is, am I doing this out of love for God or for myself? Like the self is the biggest. It's not other people, it's usually our self that becomes the overwhelming factor in whether we're going to attain sainthood. It's like, am I really doing this for the love of God? And usually when we're doing things for God, we don't need recognition from man, you know, but in this world, everybody wants the pat on the back publicly.
A
Yeah.
B
And you know, let me. Which you just had the scripture like two weeks ago. You know, you've received your reward, right? There will not be one in heaven for that.
A
Right.
B
So imagine getting to the gates and Peter's there and he pulls out the book and he's like, oh, yeah, wow, you got a lot of accolades down there. Nothing left here. Sorry, what?
A
Right.
B
Yeah.
A
But at least you got that library named after you. Library that probably some activist is going to knock down 10 years after my death. Yeah.
B
The holy. The holy guys in seminary weren't the ones walking around with the cassocks and the shiny shoes with their hands like this. It was the guy at 2am in the chapel that nobody saw. That's the true. Because he wasn't looking for anybody to know he was praying. He just wanted to pray.
A
Right.
B
So we have to be careful about why we do the things we do.
A
Right. Anybody else before we go? Okay, so for. With the microphone. A lot of people claim to be Christians and they're instructing others, be they influencers or any person in public. How do we ascertain if they're legit or if they're a snake oil salesman?
B
You go back to the fruit. You know, there's an OnlyFans model who makes like 40 million a year which says, but I'm a good Christian and I don't know this from going to OnlyFans. I only know this from like the report, news articles. Yeah. And I would say, I'm sorry, sweetie, but that's not cutting it. You know, you're leading men to sin by exposing your body for money. How do you shake that out with being a Christian? I don't get it. So, like it's. And there's more subtle ways than that, but I'm just.
A
I'm just taking notes. You're telling me I can make $40 million a year if I. Well, not you, not me. I don't. Nobody's offering that.
B
You need to get the operation and all those other things would happen, you
A
know, though a lot of modern religion does seem to buttress her argument. I don't know if this girl is sincere or not, but a lot of modern religion says, well, you don't really need to do anything. In fact, you shouldn't do anything because you don't want your religion based on works. It's all got to be based in grace and faith. So really, maybe you could be the only fans model. And it doesn't matter. Outwardly, you don't see any sign that this person has been sanctified, but that doesn't matter because it's just between me and God. A lot of modern religion says that.
B
Yes. Well, we also say we are saved by grace. Catholics do say that, but we also say if you're truly a disciple and saved, then you will see it by your works. Right. So if you've been given the grace to be saved and you've been baptized, then you have the responsibility to live up to what Jesus calls us to do. So it's not just the commandments, it's the Beatitudes. Are you doing that if you're not and you're just doing only fans.
A
Yeah.
B
Again, Peter will have something to say to you at the gate.
A
Right, right. Any other beyond Mr. Davies's only fans question? It wasn't actually an only fans. I know it wasn't an only fans question. I got.
B
Are there any qualities or behaviors or practices that you wish more priests today would embrace? Yes, please have confession before every mass period. There's not enough confession in my opinion. And I travel.
A
My wife and I were just going off.
B
I travel all over the place and I'm like 30 minutes a week for 4,000 families. Yeah, sorry, just do the math.
A
Plus you get not to pick on. But women of a certain age treat confession like they're going on a weekend retreat for psychology. And I'm not knocking them for it but you know, the young men tend to be a little more in and out number and kind. Here are my direction.
B
Should be an appointment outside of confession.
A
Yes.
B
You go in, it's state the. The type of sin and the number of times do your list get out because there's a line.
A
But this, I totally agree with this. It kind of. Again, I'm like as. As the penitent, I'm not in a position to be making demands but it would be very helpful. And I know there's a pre shortage and I know they're really burdened and it's all. But it really would be helpful if there were more priests doing confession more of the time.
B
Yes. I mean I'm alone and I have confession before every Mass because I want you to be able to receive communion.
A
Yeah.
B
But I'm also going to tell you do not receive if you have not been to confession and you have a grave sin on your soul.
A
Yeah.
B
Because that's also a mortal sin.
A
And St. Paul says that too. He says the same thing. And the other questions. So in case the mic didn't get it, one of the fastest growing religions among women is witchcraft and the occult. One of the top feminist magazines is called Lilith. No surprise. Have you seen this? Is this real? Is this just a panic?
B
No, that's correct. Witchcraft is on the rise. It's become mainstream. You can buy all the garbage on Amazon. There's major department stores that sell witchcraft things. And Lilith is a real demon. I've encountered this demon in more than one exorcism.
A
Hmm. Because I thought Lilith, in some kind of, you know, extra scriptural traditions, there's this claim that Lilith was Adam's first wife or something. And then I think that's where you get it. I think there's a Jewish tradition of this. And then the feminists really adopt this. And Lilith is like the wife in Frazier who's so awful but drawing on that. But Lilith is a real. Is a demon that you've encountered.
B
Yep. Yeah.
A
And it's never occurred to me that there are lady demons. I guess I. No, I guess it was like a succubus, so.
B
Well, they don't have gender, to be honest, but they do seem to work with one gender or another. They harass one more than the other. Jezebel is a spirit. Yeah. They're out there.
A
And it's on the rise among women, this witchcraft.
B
Well, I mean, I've seen it. It was. I don't know if it's still. I've seen a resurgence of Christianity in the last year that I've not seen ever.
A
Right.
B
This last year. I don't know. Charlie had a hand in it.
A
Yeah.
B
Because it woke a lot of people up. But I also think when we have a new Pope, there's always a bump. Having American Pope, probably triple the bump. But like I was telling you before this, we. We have. We had like 14 seminarians come in last year. And I think there's another almost that number coming in this year. That's a lot for a 53 parish diocese.
A
Right. You say the American Pope would triple it. Here in America, I wonder, the Jesuit Pope, you get half a bump. Is that. No, I don't know. I'm not calculating any of these things.
B
I don't know.
A
I agree.
B
The numbers for baptism this Easter vigil were record setting all over the world. France just went through the roof. I was with Henning up in Boston. He said Harvard had like 80 something people get baptized this Easter.
A
Harvard.
B
Harvard University.
A
Did they walk in the wrong door? They thought they were going, really?
B
That's.
A
Hey, wow.
B
And he said, yeah, the bastion of liberalism had 80 something people enter the church.
A
Father, if there's hope for Harvard, there's hope for us all.
B
That's right.
A
Okay, no more questions. We're out of here. We've kept Father too long anyway. Even though with this delicious Mayflower dream, I still have much more cigar to go. I need to send you back home because you have a long drive and many more things to do. Not just my fake job of stuff, smoking cigars and speaking to friends of mine. Father, thank you very much for being here.
B
Thank you, Michael.
A
And I even want to thank people on X, which I really never want to do. But the questions were very good. See you next time.
Date: July 11, 2026
Host: Michael Knowles (The Daily Wire)
Guest: Father Dan Rehill (Catholic priest & exorcist)
In this candid, wide-ranging episode of "Off The Clock," Michael Knowles shares cigars and conversation with Father Dan Rehill, a Catholic priest and practicing exorcist. Seated at Nashville Cigar in Tennessee, they respond to audience questions sourced from Twitter (X), tackling a spectrum of topics: spiritual warfare, demonic influence, the state of the Church, confession, marriage, theology, culture, and more. The tone is collegial, witty, and sincere, with Knowles’ sharp sense of humor and Father Dan’s frank, grounded spirituality.
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— Opening banter, cigar shop setting, introductions.
— Soul ties, healthy vs. unholy spiritual bonds.
— Angels, demons, how an exorcist interacts spiritually.
— Practical spiritual protection.
— Catholic theology on the Old and New Covenants.
— Mortal sin, possession, and the occult.
— Sacramental theology.
— Other religions, cults, and occult allegations.
— Demons masquerading as aliens.
— Public vs. private exorcisms, media's effect on souls.
— Smoking, venial sin, and Church culture.
— Exorcism practices outside Catholicism.
— Divine dreams.
— Healing marriage with prayer.
— Possession, languages, and manifestation.
— Living by spiritual priorities; seeing others through God’s eyes.
— Fr. Dan's vocation, hearing God's call.
— Importance, practice, and experience of confession.
— Demons causing physical harm; spiritual remedies.
— Why exorcisms aren’t public.
— Occult risks via new media and music.
— Christ’s accepting suffering and unique mission.
— Trans-identities, theology, and demonic motifs.
— Discernment: “good fruit” as a sign of God’s will.
— Evaluating Christian authenticity.
— Sacramental practice: confession before every Mass.
— Witchcraft’s rise, Lilith in culture, real demonic encounters.
— Church revival, seminarian and baptismal booms.
This episode offers a direct, sometimes lighthearted but always reverent glimpse into real-world Catholic theology, spiritual warfare, and the realities of life as an exorcist. It balances candid testimony, Church tradition, and pastoral advice with engaging storytelling and open Q&A, making it a compelling listen for both believers and skeptics alike.