2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative: BAR FIGHT | Michael Knowles, Oliver Niehaus, The Soy Pill

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Michael Knowles Show

Episode: 2 Liberals vs. 1 Conservative: BAR FIGHT | Michael Knowles, Oliver Niehaus, The Soy Pill
Date: January 24, 2026

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Overview

In this high-energy episode, Michael Knowles (“The Daily Wire”) hosts a “Bar Fight” style debate, facing off against two liberal commentators—Oliver Niehaus and The Soy Pill—in a raucous live audience setting. The trio tackles pre-submitted controversial topics ranging from political corruption and fraud, to LGBTQ representation in media, and the definition of marriage. Audience members are repeatedly invited to challenge the panel, keeping the conversation unpredictable and lively.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Trump vs. Somali Fraud: Selective Outrage and Corruption

Timestamps: 02:38 – 18:00

• Oliver Niehaus opens the first round by challenging conservative outrage over Somali daycare fraud in Minnesota, arguing that Trump’s record of pardoning financial fraudsters (notably, non-Somali Americans) reveals hypocrisy.
  • “If we want to talk about fraud, you can't talk about them unless you talk about the fraudster in chief, which is Donald Trump.” (04:34 – Oliver)
• Michael Knowles counters that presidential pardoning isn’t necessarily corrupt, pivoting to infamous Somali-run scams, particularly “Feed Our Future”—the largest single instance of COVID relief fraud ($250 million+).
  • “We haven't talked about the Somalis who have committed...$1 billion in fraud, potentially up to $9 billion in fraud…” (08:00 – Michael)
• The Soy Pill and Oliver press that the right’s outrage targets minorities and immigrants, not crime itself.
  • “It's not really that fraud is what you're against. You don't like Somalis. So just come out and say that.” (04:39 – Oliver)
• Michael asserts a distinction: “They're not Americans. They come from a different country and… they bring their garbage with them. We don’t have a duty to deal with their nonsense.” (16:38)
• Discussion of Due Process: An extended debate on whether constitutional protections and due process apply to non-citizens, with Oliver asserting the Fifth Amendment applies to “all persons,” not just citizens.
  • “If we don’t give due process to random Somalis, none of the American citizens... have due process.” (34:38 – Oliver)

Notable Quotes

• "I might say that." (04:44 – Michael, after being accused of anti-Somali sentiment)
• “The Fifth Amendment states that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. It does not clarify citizens.” (34:22 – Oliver)

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2. Pop Culture & Identity: Did Netflix Turn Will Gay?

Timestamps: 21:47 – 38:03

• Topic: Whether Netflix’s choice to make Will Byers gay in “Stranger Things” is evidence of broader “social contagion”—the thesis that LGBT identification has risen due to cultural, not intrinsic, factors.
  • “LGBT identity doubled in the United States [2012–2021]... 30% of Gen Z now identifies as LGBT...so there are other cultural factors here.” (22:00 – Michael)
• The Soy Pill clarifies: “Will was gay in the script in season one. He's been bullied for being gay since the first episode. Netflix just kept him gay.” (24:44)
• Oliver draws parallels with left-handedness: “After teachers stopped beating students for being left-handed, they actually started being okay being left-handed and living that identity.” (27:28)
• Michael maintains that culture shapes identification, and worries about “social contagion,” especially given the “1,500% increase in adolescent girls saying they had gender dysphoria over a 10-year period.”
• The trio also lightheartedly jabs at Knowles’s own college acting career and the baggage of playing a “half-gay guy.”
  • “You play a soldier, no one thinks you're GI Joe. You play one half gay guy, and they call you Fanouk for the rest of your life.” (25:56 – Michael)
• Audience engagement: A question raises concerns over gay representation being associated with trauma/demons (“the only main gay character…has a demon inside”), which prompts both Irony and quick-witted dismissals.

Notable Quotes

• “Is it your contention that the Somali civil war, which we aided in...that Somalia didn’t experience mass violence before 1991...?” (17:30 – Michael)
• “We need to make Tim [Walz] a skyscraper, put his family up, and then it'll be even ground, then I’m okay with it.” (16:08 – The Soy Pill)

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3. Defining Marriage: Does Gay Marriage Exist?

Timestamps: 40:25 – 53:14

• Oliver presents the pro-gay marriage case: “Gay marriage exists whether you like it or not. If you don’t like it, move to one of those countries that doesn’t support gay marriage.” (40:53)
• Michael relies on natural law and tradition:
  • “It is intrinsic to the nature of marriage that it’s a union between a man and a woman, ordered toward the procreation and education of children.” (43:11)
  • Claims this definition transcends legal changes, using analogies (“Square circle laws don’t make square circles real.”)
• Debate over Infertile Couples: If procreation is essential, what about childless unions? Michael claims the union is “ordered toward” procreation even if not achieved.
• Oliver pushes the ambiguity of marriage's definition and criticizes Knowles’s attempts to define it rigidly.
  • “Marriage is a partnership between two people that is focused on living together in communion... It might be a more gradient spectrum.” (51:09)
• The Soy Pill challenges the moral consistency of religiously motivated marriage definitions, noting divorce rates among conservatives.
• Theological tangent: References to Thomas Aquinas and even Plato, leading to a brief aside on classical notions of sin, sexuality, and the limits of logical analogies.

Audience Q&A

• “My identical twin brother is as gay as the day is long…” (48:02) prompts a discussion distinguishing legal from “real” marriages (as defined by religion or tradition).
• Michael’s closing admonition: “If marriage does not mean what we have always understood everywhere, across religions, across cultures…then marriage just loses its meaning.”

Notable Quotes

• “It's amazing. These guys are just up here gay bashing me. I got a wife and three kids!” (28:57 – Michael)
• “If it's not sex, what is it? – It's a partnership… He'll, like, pretend. I don’t even need to be here.” (41:46 – Oliver, parodying Michael)
• “To me, love is the willing of the good of the other for his own sake.” (51:47 – Michael)

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Audience Participation & Tone

• The episode is lively, heavy on sarcasm, and balances substantial political and philosophical exchanges with humor, friendly insults, and audience banter.
  • “We should get him a little drunker so he's more angry. That's fair.” (18:52 – Michael)
  • “This is almost like a Trump rally. Pretty nice.” (38:34 – Oliver)

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Memorable Moments

• Oliver’s rapid-fire list of Trump pardons (03:13–04:35).
• Repeated jabs about Michael’s past acting roles and sexuality.
• The ongoing “citizenship vs. due process” debate, with both sides invoking the Fifth Amendment (33:28–36:49).
• The transformation of “Stranger Things” representation into a humorous meta-commentary on media, culture, and identity politics (25:35–32:31).
• The twist on “winning” the Bar Fight: “In my opinion, nobody wins a bar fight. They’re only losers.” (53:58 – Michael)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Trump/Somali Fraud Debate: 02:38 – 18:00
• Due Process & Constitutionality for Immigrants: 33:28 – 36:49
• Netflix/Will Byers and Social Contagion: 21:47 – 38:03
• Marriage & Tradition: 40:25 – 53:14
• Audience Q&A highlights: 09:55, 14:15, 32:31, 47:41, 48:02, 53:24

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Tone / Language

• The episode blends serious debate with sharp, comedic banter and pointed mockery, especially around identity and political hypocrisy. The participants are often self-aware and play to both the crowd and each other’s personas.
• Frequent use of direct challenges, sarcasm, and playful insults (“I’m Catholic. The only way she gets rid of me is if she puts the pillow over my head at night.” – 47:34, Michael), as well as earnest philosophical and legal arguments.

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Summary Takeaway

This episode spotlights the enduring clash between left and right on issues of corruption, culture, and civil rights. It showcases the contradictions, defensiveness, and humor that animate U.S. political debate, especially when views are aired in front of a charged and participatory live audience. Whether listeners agree or disagree, they’ll find both sharp argumentation and comic relief in this barroom-style ideological brawl.

Transcript

[Oliver Nyhaus]

You don't like Somali, so just come out and say that.

[Michael Knowles]

I might say that.

[The Soy Pill]

No offense. Your acting is really bad. If you were a better actor, you wouldn't be here doing the spar Fight show.

[Michael Knowles]

Rock Put me in a bikini. Stranger Things is not really a kids show.

[The Soy Pill]

Wait, I gotta push back. It's for babies.

[Michael Knowles]

Your performance as a homosexual was entirely unconvincing. Welcome to Bar Fight, the show where I, Michael Knowles, go head to head with two esteemed libs on topics chosen by you. Our first guest, you may know, is thesoy pill online.

[The Soy Pill]

Yeah, like, I know you identify as white, Michael, but you could pass as some sort of Southern American.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

You think the constitution only applies to citizens? Yes or no?

[Michael Knowles]

Our second guest, master debater, recent graduate of Oberlin College, that would be Oliver Nyhaus. Now, here is how it works. We will be debating three of the most controversial topics of our day. The bell rings, we duke it out for that round, and then our friends in the crowd can come up to the microphone and pick a fight with any of us. But do not wait, because there is a time limit for each round, and anyone who comes up to the mic can win special prizes and a seat at our VIP section, sponsored by Redneck Riviera Whiskey. Gentlemen, are you ready?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

I have the topics right here. It is round one. Now, I'm gonna read all the topics, all of them pick by my esteemed guests, and I'm gonna try to make it unclear who picked which.

[The Soy Pill]

You know, you can get Grok to make him into, like, a bikini girl, right?

[Michael Knowles]

That's true. Grok, put me in a bikini. Put me. Editors, put me in a. Do not put me in a bikini. First topic, Netflix turned will gay. Second topic. Keep them in your mind. There's a bunch of them. Second topic, Vaccines are bad. Third topic, Gay marriage is totally fake. Lot of homophobes in the audience. Okay. Fourth topic. The Somalis are more corrupt than Donald Trump. Not a lot of Somalis in the audience. Fifth topic. Trump's economy is awesome. And sixth topic, Trump is right. White people were treated very unfairly after the Civil Rights Act.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I'm surprised people are here from the civil rights movement. You guys were there for that. That's a little concerning.

[Michael Knowles]

I guess it's the Somalis, right? Yeah. Okay, there we go. Whose topic? Whose topic is it?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I believe that's mine, although I'm talking about it.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. Phrase it however you want.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah, that's not quite how I phrased it, but that's totally fine. My prompt was that Donald Trump is more corrupt than a Somali daycare center. I was going to bring up there. My argument basically is, you know, we need to focus on the fact that if we're talking about fraud specifically or corruption, you can't really claim to care about whether or not there's a daycare center that has kids or not. I think Nick Shirley did a pretty terrible job trying to uncover that fraud, considering he walked in there with a camera and was like, show me the kids. And they were like, no, we're not gonna let you into a daycare center with a camera and your film crew.

[The Soy Pill]

Two hours before they opened.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

And, yeah, and then he cried fraud. So, you know, I think that that's a bit ridiculous here. And I think it's also very important to, you know, focus on where the fraud is here. So let's focus on some of this Somali fraud. So let's talk about Trevor Milton, who defrauded his investors costing tens of millions of dollars. He was sentenced to four years in prison. Oh, he's not Somali. And Donald Trump pardoned him last year. We could talk about Paul Walczyk, who stole over $7 million from his employees paychecks. He was sentenced to 18 months in prison. He was also pardoned last year by Donald Trump. He's also not Somali. We can talk about Michelle Fiore, who stole over $70,000 meant for a memorial to fallen police officers and spent it on herself, including her own cosmetic. You guessed it, Donald Trump pardoned her last year. We could talk about Lawrence Duran, who ran the largest Medicare related fraud scheme in history. Yeah, there are a few more. Long list, long list here.

[Michael Knowles]

Even the largest one there.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

We could talk about Philip Este Fourmis, who orchestrated the biggest criminal Medicare scheme in history, over 1 billion in fraudulent claims. You could talk about David Gentile, who defrauded over 10,000 investors of over $1.6 billion. Donald Trump pardoned him just last month. Okay, so if we want to talk about fraud, if we want to talk about corruption, you can't talk about them unless you talk about the fraudster in chief, which is Donald Trump. So I think it's very. It seems to me that conservatives and people on the right don't actually care about fraud. They only care about fraud and corruption when it's committed by an immigrant, a person of color, or someone who's part of the LGBTQ community. Because it's not really that fraud is what you're against. You don't like Somalis. So just come out and say that. Just come out and Say that.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Don't bring up this whole scheme about that.

[Michael Knowles]

I might say that. So, yeah, there we go.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

And that would be a little bit more honest.

[Michael Knowles]

There argument is Trump is more corrupt than the Somalis.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Correct.

[Michael Knowles]

Because he, he used the pardon power for these people.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Well, not just the pardon power. We can talk about many other things.

[Michael Knowles]

Let's take that. Let's take that.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

We can talk about just. Yes, absolutely.

[Michael Knowles]

So surely you would agree there's nothing corrupt about a president using the pardon power, which he has the absolute right to do.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I didn't say it's. He's corrupt because he used the pardon power.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, you said he's corrupt. Here's all my evidence.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

To use the pardon power. No, not that he used the pardon power. That he pardoned people who did corruption. If you pardon people who do corruption, then you're pro corruption.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. Do you think Bill Clinton pardoned over 450 people, including 140 people on his last day in office, including many financial fraudsters, billionaire tax evaders, drug addict brother, which has a residence later on for Joe Biden?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Not a fan.

[Michael Knowles]

You would say Bill Clinton's corrupt.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Not a fan, do not like Bill Clinton.

[Michael Knowles]

Joe Biden pardons, gives a blanket pardon to his brothers who engaged in a lot of.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah, not a good idea. Absolutely. I do think Trump is unique in the way that he does this. And also we could talk about crypto and Trump literally starting World Liberty Financial and investing and getting tons, hundreds of millions of dollars from that exact meme coin that he came out. And then if we want to also talk about pardon, let's take pardon Chang Jiangpeng, who then committed that fraud and was also invested in World Liberty Financial. So there's like so many elements.

[Michael Knowles]

If you want to add on those. You mentioned the crypto, Trump has some meme coins and other crypto holdings.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Correct.

[Michael Knowles]

Is your claim that Trump's crypto business dealings are fraudulent or criminal?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Well, I think yes, in that they obviously violate the emoluments clause of the Constitution. We can talk about the fact that Jimmy Carter, when he was president, was required to sell his peanut farm before he became president. Yet Donald Trump has been able to hold onto or loosely pass off all of his business dealings to his very, very immediate family, and that's somehow not corrupt.

[Michael Knowles]

So you mentioned that the crypto thing might be illegal. I'd be curious to see if you could cite a law for that. But on the emoluments point, the courts have ruled three times on Trump potentially violating the emoluments clause. What has the court said?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

The court on the emoluments clause. You can let me know which court specifically, Michael. Well, draw on this.

[Michael Knowles]

What's the Supreme Court and what's the appeals court?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Tell me about it. I'm sure, Michael, that they said it was totally legit and fine. The same way they said that Trump can break the law and have no consequences for it whatsoever. Any official act.

[Michael Knowles]

There have been three emoluments cases. The Supreme Court dismissed two of them in an unsigned order, so it could have been unanimous. And then they couldn't rule on the third one because an appeals court already dismissed that. So every time the libs have tried to get Trump on emoluments, it's been completely thrown out. Do you think that side of law that.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

No. Do you think then that the president should be able to have business dealings while in office that directly conflict with his roles as president in terms of whether it comes to up charging the Secret Service for staying at his own properties and resorts on the taxpayers dime or many other things, the issue with.

[Michael Knowles]

That was already resolved. There was no admission of guilt. There was no criminal proceedings.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Hold on. Just because there wasn't criminal proceedings against something, do you mean that nothing wrong happened?

[Michael Knowles]

No, I'm saying it's not corrupt. Which is your claim to.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Hold on. Do you think someone has to be convicted of corruption in order to be corrupt?

[Michael Knowles]

Well, I think corruption has a meaning and corruption revolves deceit or fraud. And in particular, when we're talking about political office, we are talking about crimes. We have a way to adjudicate whether or not a president's committed a crime. Trump has not been found guilty on any of these fronts. Now, before we end, I think it is worth pointing out we've talked a lot about Trump and there's no evidence he's engaged in any corruption. However, we haven't talked about the Somalis who have committed, by the most conservative estimate, $1 billion in fraud, potentially up to $9 billion in fraud, merely on.

[The Soy Pill]

Wait, are you citing the number of Nick Shirley in the back of a car? Just adding up numbers and not understanding anything.

[Michael Knowles]

I'm happy from the like illiterate journ.

[The Soy Pill]

Is that what we're talking about? What I'm challenging you is you completely moved on from the crypto point by trying to talk about the emoluments clause and you've.

[Michael Knowles]

No. He brought up the emoluments clause, I don't believe.

[The Soy Pill]

Yes, but you've completely brushed over the fact that Trump has started a coin that is completely worthless. Had all of his supporters buy into this and then rug pull them for hundreds of millions.

[Michael Knowles]

Obviously claims that he's enriched himself through it, so it obviously has value. You can't sign nothing.

[The Soy Pill]

It's worth nothing. I didn't say get off this.

[Michael Knowles]

No, I'm trying to get off Somalis.

[The Soy Pill]

Get off the emoluments clause so you can talk about the crypto coin and how much. It is insane that he said, hey, give me millions of dollars for this worthless.

[Michael Knowles]

What law did he break?

[The Soy Pill]

I didn't say anything about illegality.

[Michael Knowles]

I'm saying corruption.

[The Soy Pill]

Is it not fraudulent that Donald Trump stole millions of dollars from his supporters?

[Michael Knowles]

It's not fraudulent at all. There was. There was no fraud. There was no deceit whatsoever. And corrupted.

[The Soy Pill]

Was it for corrupt to use his office in his position of power to steal millions of dollars?

[Michael Knowles]

He wasn't in office when he started the coin.

[The Soy Pill]

He used his popularity from being in office.

[Michael Knowles]

His popularity from being in office. Do we really want to get down that road with a problem? Your defense. Your defense is hundreds of dollars.

[The Soy Pill]

Well, it was two days before the. So it's okay that he stole all the money?

[Michael Knowles]

He wasn't in office. Yeah, okay.

[The Soy Pill]

That's just to be clear about no defenses. He wasn't in office. It's fine to steal money from his supporters.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

I citizens especially, one of the most.

[The Soy Pill]

Successful men of our lifetime here is that his supporters are stupid. And it's fine because Trump will never.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Make that point at all.

[Michael Knowles]

On your point though, before the bell rings, because you were cutting me off on Somalis. Cause you don't want to hear it. The feed our future scam was the largest fraud of COVID of the pandemic. A quarter billion dollars in that alone. $100 million of fraud when it comes to daycare. $14 million of fraud already admitted to by a cell.

[The Soy Pill]

Wait, they weren't in office when it comes Somalis were in an office.

[Michael Knowles]

No, they are in our country and we're. Kick them out. Okay, questions from the audience.

[Audience Member]

Hey, everybody, just. I really want to know. Yeah, sure, we don't like Trump. That's what you're saying, but is there something wrong with simply deep, more deeply investigating the Somali fraud, but also just fraud in general in the Minnesota area?

[The Soy Pill]

Because like, there's nothing wrong with investigating fraud. But you look at the way that the Trump and his administration has the whole Doge scandal and how they found nothing, they convicted no one and wasted a ton of money. I don't trust the current administration to look into fraud with themselves. The scandal of that. They are not able to find any fraud, and they spend millions and millions of dollars, and it's complete waste. That's not.

[Michael Knowles]

First of all, DOGE was not tasked with finding fraud.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

That Waste. Fraud and abuse. Fraud and abuse.

[The Soy Pill]

Fraud.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I'm sorry. Was that not when Elon Musk came up?

[The Soy Pill]

I'm sorry. Waste, fraud and abuse 100 million times.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Literally, their motto for what they had.

[Michael Knowles]

Department of Government pivoted away.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

That's not actually.

[The Soy Pill]

North Korea is a democratic republic. So I guess it's fine, right?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Sure. This is what they're. It's in the name the presents are from.

[Michael Knowles]

The task of. It was just trading and to reduce spending and to find fraud, not fraud.

[The Soy Pill]

And to find waste. Fraud.

[Michael Knowles]

Because some of it was fraud.

[The Soy Pill]

Yeah, but what.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Which fraud. What stuff did they find? Because they didn't actually find fraud. What they found is somewhere like USAID was. They found things that were spending money on that they ideologically disagreed with.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

You'Re going to. Yeah, of course. They were literally putting on transgender ballet. Yeah.

[Audience Member]

So what if we just go like this? We say, okay, hear each other. Let's move forward and try to focus. Let's actually try to find the right fraud. Let's try to figure it out together as a unit. Because.

[The Soy Pill]

Yeah, it's a meaningless platitude. I agree with you. Fraud is bad. I don't trust the administration to find fraud. They're horrible. That's fair enough.

[Michael Knowles]

You don't think the Somalis committed any fraud?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Did not say that. Oh, this is a really.

[The Soy Pill]

That's not what I said.

[Michael Knowles]

Specific example.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah.

[The Soy Pill]

And if you look at the. What's the quality leering center or whatever, this is someone who had been investigated for malpractice and sorts of stuff before this. And I'm all for investigating that and making sure these kids are safe. Absolutely.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Oh, good. And that was a really interesting pivot there, Michael, where you said this. You don't think the Somalis have done any fraud. None of us have ever made that claim. You just said it was all abstract.

[Michael Knowles]

And I don't.

[The Soy Pill]

Hold on.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

No, I said that about Doge. Doge fired any of this.

[Michael Knowles]

No, you said in response to his question just now, it's because we're talking.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

About fraud as a general concept, and Doge relates to fraud, even if you don't think it relates to fraud. But I think it's really interesting how you pivoted to the conversation of you don't think the Somalis have Committed any fraud? No. I don't know. I think we should have an open, fair investigation that doesn't involve a 20 year old YouTuber named Nick Shirley who doesn't know the word benevolent. To be able to come in here and tell us that somehow Somalis are committing fraud because they didn't let him into a daycare center with a camera. That's a wrong. Correct. And I, I am in support of a federal investigation. However, you know. Yeah, I, I think there should be an investigation and I do think, however, that should also involve the state of Minnesota and we do see, however arbitrary fraud.

[Michael Knowles]

Why don't we let.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

There were people, There were people who did that. Do you not think that there can be investigators who investigate what goes wrong in the government who aren't the people who committed the fraud?

[Michael Knowles]

Like the investigation is into Tim Walls for participating in the fraud.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

There are multiple types. Investigations that occur. You can investigate if you want Tim Walls for orchestrating that. There can also be people who investigate in the state to determine whether state fraud was done. It's not. It's not. So he's trying to make it ridiculous to claim that. If I claim that there should be any Minnesota involvement in it, I'm claiming Tim Wallace should investigate himself. That's what Michael likes to do. He likes to reduce this down. He likes to reduce this down.

[The Soy Pill]

What I'm hearing is that a white suburban dad did the fraud and not a Somali.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, well, he participated in it, but there were about 80,000 nonwhite suburban dads. Money to Al Shaba.

[The Soy Pill]

Michael, I'm going to go with you. They weren't in office, so I don't think it's that bad. It's fine.

[Michael Knowles]

You don't think they were.

[The Soy Pill]

They weren't in office.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

They weren't in office.

[Michael Knowles]

No. You can commit crimes when you're not in office.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Oh, like you can.

[Michael Knowles]

I don't. Wow. You're getting this idea from like stealing.

[The Soy Pill]

A bunch of money in a crypto scam.

[Michael Knowles]

There's no. Again, I don't. You keep going back to Trump having crypto dealings.

[The Soy Pill]

Well, you said he wasn't in office.

[Michael Knowles]

That was your defense.

[The Soy Pill]

Well, he wasn't president yet, so it's fine.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, these guys weren't president either, so it's, it's. We're talking about corruption in office. But then you're saying that he committed some crime, but you can't name the crime. First of all, I didn't want to.

[The Soy Pill]

Say it was a crime. I said it was corruption, as in, you're using a position of power to market something as valuable to your little shithead idiot.

[Michael Knowles]

Here's a question. Has President Trump profited on the Trump coin?

[The Soy Pill]

Yeah, absolutely.

[Michael Knowles]

Then it has value for him.

[The Soy Pill]

Specifically.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

He admitted he's profit.

[The Soy Pill]

He's a bunch of money from his friends.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

And he's profited. He's profited on business dealings.

[Michael Knowles]

We'll get back to something.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

He's profit on business dealings while in office.

[Audience Member]

I guess I would just say a similar thing of like, I feel like the problem is, you know, Trump commit, which I agree with a lot of what you say about Trump. But, you know, Trump does something corrupt and so Democrats say he's the problem and then vice versa. And so why you're saying let's have an open investigation into, you know, the Minnesota thing, but then you're poo pooing Nick. Shortly, you're poo pooing, you know, because.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

He'S not a federal investigator. Sure.

[Audience Member]

But is that not telling that it took him to reveal it? Because federal investigators didn't.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

They were taking him to reveal it at all. As Michaels talks about with Feeding Our Future. Yeah, that was a fraud scandal that happened and that was investigated and that was found. So it didn't take Nick Shirley to do this. Nick Shirley just came along with his camera and claimed that somehow this is indicative of daycare fraud, too.

[Michael Knowles]

So it's less than Feed Our Future.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

But it's pretty significant, which is being investigated right now.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

So how are you claiming that these things have already happened when the investigations have not come through?

[Michael Knowles]

Do you think that it's good for journalists to pursue facts?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I think it's crazy to call Nick Shirley a journalist.

[Michael Knowles]

I don't know. I think it's a journalist than the New York Times.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I'm sure you do, Michael. Here we go.

[Audience Member]

Nick Shirley made it. And now Tim Walls is stepping down from reelection. Has that not had an effect?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I mean, we can talk about many things that led to Tim Walls not seeking reelection. I mean, I'll agree with you once. I think being on the failing vice presidential ticket isn't exactly a ringing endorsement of you continuing to run the state. So I'm not, in terms of political realities here, I might agree with that. I also think the fact that, that Tim Walls family was being just being insanely harassed there in terms of literally people going to his house and screaming the word retard at his son. Okay. And you, I'm sure you think that's funny, but I actually do think it's pretty, you know, Vile Of a vile thing to do.

[Michael Knowles]

Do you think someone's family's been harassed at all over the last 10 years?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah, and I don't support people going after his children or something like that, or going after. Or making up these stories that his granddaughter is gay. I think that's a bad thing to do.

[The Soy Pill]

It is completely unfair because Trump lives in, like, a penthouse, and you can't scream retard from the ground floor. Like it.

[Michael Knowles]

Like he. New York. New York is very.

[The Soy Pill]

We need to make Tim Walton a skyscraper, put his family up, and then it'll be even ground, and then I'm okay with it.

[Michael Knowles]

Tim Walls has taken enough taxpayer money. I'm not sure that we need to put him up in a penthouse. Do we have another question? Hi, guys.

[Audience Member]

This isn't a question.

[Michael Knowles]

This is just a comment. I think it's a little disingenuous, Oliver, that you read that list of all the Americans that were supposedly committing fraud.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah. Sorry about the facts.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Audience Member]

We have to deal with their.

[Michael Knowles]

We have to deal with their nonsense and whatever, you know, means that we deal with it. But these Somalis, they're coming over and they're committing the fraud. They are not Americans. They come from a different country and.

[Audience Member]

They bring their garbage with them.

[Michael Knowles]

We don't have a duty to deal with their nonsense.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

How do you. Hold on. What do you mean? We don't have to deal with their nonsense because they're from a different country. Hold on.

[Michael Knowles]

They're not citizens.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

So do you think people who. When I'm talking about illegal immigrants versus legal immigrants, do you think someone who's a legal immigrant, who's here.

[Michael Knowles]

They're not necessarily.

[The Soy Pill]

A majority of the Somali population is legal immigrants that can. Came over from the Somali civil war, which, by the way, we exacerbated. Hold on.

[Michael Knowles]

These are not. We exacerbated. Give me a break.

[The Soy Pill]

We dropped a big helicopter in there and then killed a bunch of them.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

They need to stop committing terrorism. They need to say that stabilizing their civil war.

[The Soy Pill]

There are two factions. This is not. Oh, all the Somalis are just shooting at stuff. It's a bunch of turmoil that we exacerbated. A bunch of immigrants came fleeing the violence. The people that weren't shooting at us, now they are integrated into our society. And now you're saying, oh, well, they're not Americans.

[Michael Knowles]

They're literally Americans. Is it your contention that the Somali civil war, which we. Which we aided in, we provided aid and lost personnel because of it. Is your contention that Somalia didn't experience mass violence before 1991 as a functioning country before.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

That's a different claim.

[The Soy Pill]

We exacerbated and allowed people to come in to flee that violence.

[Michael Knowles]

No, we allowed them into the country.

[The Soy Pill]

Part of which was because of us are integrated into our society. They are.

[Michael Knowles]

You can finish your sentence if you want.

[The Soy Pill]

They're American citizens. They're not immigrants. They're not.

[Michael Knowles]

They're literally not citizens.

[The Soy Pill]

A majority of them are citizens.

[Michael Knowles]

Right. Okay. So we have to decide who won that round. Not the Somalis. The Somalis lost that round. There's no doubt about that. Was it the soy pill? Blue or red? Blue or red holder panels? Was it, Oliver? Oh, yeah. Blue and red. That's right. Blue. Red. Was it the lids put up the blue. Hold it up.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

What color? One.

[Michael Knowles]

Blue. Red. There's one. There's one.

[The Soy Pill]

Michael, Are we in dark?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Will Michael's stacked bar vote in favor of that?

[Michael Knowles]

I look. I don't spill.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

There we go.

[Michael Knowles]

It was like 50, 50 last time. Oh, I think it was.

[The Soy Pill]

I've seen what makes them year.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

There's a.

[Michael Knowles]

There's a. There's a more important decision to make. Who was the best questioner of that round? Who gets to go to the VIP table? O not going to lie.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

They were.

[The Soy Pill]

Second guy seemed very good faith. He's like. I acknowledge what you're saying.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, he's too nice.

[The Soy Pill]

No, but that's what we need right now.

[Michael Knowles]

We should get him a little drunker so he's more angry. That's fair. You get it. Second guy. You're going to the VIP table. The beautiful Molly has made flower cigars. Redneck Riviera.

[Audience Member]

Okay?

[Michael Knowles]

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[Oliver Nyhaus]

I hope you can get that open. That might be an Andrew Wilson situation right here.

[Michael Knowles]

I know.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

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[Michael Knowles]

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[Oliver Nyhaus]

I've barely drank mine. What are you doing?

[Michael Knowles]

Hold on. All right.

[The Soy Pill]

You do it all at once or.

[Michael Knowles]

I guess, are we.

[The Soy Pill]

I'll do.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, ready? Here we go. Do a little zebiotic shooter. Delicious. Wow.

[Audience Member]

And how.

[Michael Knowles]

Now, folks, you gotta pick the topic. We've already gone through them. Which one? I think it was.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

We haven't.

[Michael Knowles]

It was the vaccine.

[The Soy Pill]

No.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Was it the Netflix?

[Michael Knowles]

You can do a Netflix. Who says Netflix?

[The Soy Pill]

Okay.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Wow, that's a really good point.

[Michael Knowles]

You know whose topic that was? Can you take it?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

This guy right here. All right.

[Michael Knowles]

Netflix turned Will gay. I think this point is beyond dispute because Netflix made this show and one of the characters is Will, and they made him gay. Now, they might have made the actor gay. We don't know. He worked for the company for a long time. But what is also I think, beyond dispute is they very likely made other people Gay. And the reason for this is that LGBT identity is not merely a matter of hereditary, you know, born this way, immutable characteristics. It's also a social phenomenon. Gallup showed that between 2012 and 2021, LGBT identity doubled in the United States. It's actually gone up even more since then. 30% of Gen Z now identifies as LGBT, which means there's either something in the water or there are a lot of people in the closet for all of history. Or wait till you find out how.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Many left handed people are going on.

[Michael Knowles]

In our popular culture. Now what's really strange about this is that we know that LGBT identity is not merely determined by genetics. We know this because of some twin studies which measure all sorts of diverse outcomes for twins, including same sex attraction. Found that there's only a 20 to 37%.

[The Soy Pill]

I don't remember any of those in Stranger Things.

[Michael Knowles]

What do you mean?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

You learned a lot from that. So much.

[The Soy Pill]

Well, actually, look this up. I was surprised you picked this.

[Michael Knowles]

Hold on, let me finish my argument. Well, you just want to rant about 20, but let's talk about Will specifically.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I think all should be made.

[Michael Knowles]

Gay twin studies show that LGBT identity, same sex attraction is only 20 to 37% correlated with heredity. Which means that there are other cultural factors here. And there's one really funny study on this that came out of the center for the Study of Partisanship and Ideology, and it found that in the last. Well, really, between 2008 and 2018 or so, LGBT identity rose at twice the rate as actual LGBT behavior.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

And among younger people, how do you define that? People identifying versus behavior, Meaning they don't do gay stuff.

[Michael Knowles]

It's like gay stuff.

[The Soy Pill]

They say they're gay, but they don't do gay stuff. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

And among young liberals, I'm not saying you guys, but among young liberals, they were three to four times as likely to say that they were gay, even if they just did straight stuff. Which means that there's a social contagion here. You saw this especially with rapid onset gender dysphoria. 1,500% increase in adolescent girls saying that they had gender dysphoria over a 10 year period. So there's a social factor. Netflix made Will gay. They might have made the actor gay. And they probably made other people gay too. Take it away.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

All right, thank you so much.

[The Soy Pill]

If you look this up, this is really interesting because it's like slam dunk. Like you can't even prove, like Netflix got the script that was given to them. And if you Read the script before they even touched it. Will was gay in the script in season one. No, before it was sold to Netflix. The script. He was gay in season one. He's gay.

[Michael Knowles]

That's why he's not gay inside. He's gay.

[The Soy Pill]

He's absolutely gay inside. Let me, let me. I can cite. Look. So his mom says he's not like the other kids. You know, his dad calls him queer. And the. What can I say?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

The.

[The Soy Pill]

I can't say the F word on anything if you want.

[Michael Knowles]

It's a right wing on. Yeah, you know, we're gonna be swears on maybe not the end of the. His dad called him fag.

[The Soy Pill]

His dad called him weird. The other kid.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh.

[The Soy Pill]

One of the police officers says he was probably killed by some other queer. He's been bullied for being gay since the first episode of the show. He's been gay the whole time. Now, I will grant you this, the scene in season five where he comes out was very corny. Like that was the worst come out scene I've ever seen. And I am a pro gay person. That was awful. You know, just like it was like the Lord of the Rings scene where they're like in my ex and I also support you for being gay. And it was like, all right, this is a little much. But he's been gay the whole time. He's been gay before Netflix even touched it. So as someone who knows that Netflix can make a lot of people gay, this was one of the few times where they just kept him gay. If anything, they were too subtle. Cause you didn't even notice.

[Michael Knowles]

So is she. My gaydar was a little off and you know, I don't know from New York and la and I went to a gay university.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I was going to say, Michael, I really appreciate you giving us the opportunity to talk about gay representation in media. Star from House of Shades here, Michael Knowles. Yeah, seen him there. I actually decided to look it up and watch it. I'm on YouTube. I watched it on the plane. That was a mistake. When you came on in a blue thong. That really. I want you to get out next to me. Next to me. So I just want to say, Michael, I want you to think a lot about people being gay in shows. And you know, I'm.

[Michael Knowles]

No, this is my. This is kind of my point. You know, I was an actor as a young man and you know, you play a baseball player, no one thinks you're an athlete. You play a soldier, no one thinks you're GI Joe. You play one half gay Guy. And they call you Fanouk for the rest of your life. Michael. Michael. But I want you to know that my Yale thesis film. And that's the most heterosexual thing ever produced by Yale University.

[The Soy Pill]

Michael, the problem was, no offense, your acting is really bad. If you were a better actor, you wouldn't be here doing the spar fight show. And the one convincing thing in that whole film was how much you were coming onto that guy. That was the only thing I thought.

[Michael Knowles]

Was, like, wow, that looks like.

[The Soy Pill]

And I'm in the Bay Area. That looks like a gay guy being interested in another guy.

[Michael Knowles]

I have expert witness on this. I heard from a friend of mine, Milo Yiannopoulos, who was gay, and now he's not really gay anymore.

[The Soy Pill]

He's still gay.

[Michael Knowles]

No, but Milo. No, he's not. He doesn't do it. He's got a whole counter about it. But Milo wrote to me. He said, michael, I want you to know, as someone who has experience with this, your performance as a homosexual was entirely unconvincing. So as someone. Look, I tap dance. I play ukulele. I like Cole Porter. I was gonna say you're. I'm telling you, I'm trying to put myself in the position of sympathizing with the LGBTs. And what I'm saying is a lot of it is kind of fake.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

So I think a big problem with this too. And Michael likes to cite this idea of, like, oh, my God, like, LGBTQ identity has exploded over the past.

[The Soy Pill]

Are you doing this gay asset right now when you're imitating Michael?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

You know, that just came out accidentally with him. I think, you know, maybe you might have to show me some conversion therapy methods that got you where you are. But I think that if we're talking about.

[Michael Knowles]

Listen to this homophobia from this liberal.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I'm just saying, you know, you scratch the service.

[Michael Knowles]

This guy's using the word fag. This guy's using. Making homophobic jokes. Yeah, I kind of like it, actually.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

But I think it's really interesting. And if you want to claim that there's, like, some social contagion element to what's going on, I wouldn't even necessarily entirely disagree with you there. I do think that, for example, like, you know, if a couple people, you know. Yeah, I think it's very reasonable. However, you can't only attribute it to social contagion, because societal acceptance can also be a huge part of this. For example, this is a really interesting thing I like to bring up. When people bring up the statistics of how many people now identify as gay. Do you know how many people identified as being left handed in the 1950s? Very few. It was not that many at all. And after teachers stopped beating students for being left handed, they actually started being okay being left handed and living that identity. So I think claiming that somehow, oh, now there's more gay people, Therefore it's only due to the fact that it's become way more, you know, fashionable or trendy to do so just overlooks the fact that you wouldn't live in a society that now gay marriage is legal. Well, actually, Michael doesn't believe it exists. It does.

[Michael Knowles]

It's legal, but it doesn't exist.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah, it's legal and it doesn't exist. Yeah, definitely.

[Michael Knowles]

Hold on. But you admit. So you would say there is a social contagion aspect.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Dude, I went to Oberlin.

[Michael Knowles]

30% of people are gay.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

30% of people are gay. Of Gen Z, 30% of Zoomers.

[Michael Knowles]

You don't think it's 30% are gay?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

If we're talking about gay, do we mean like people who are only same sex attracted? Are we talking about bisexuals too?

[Michael Knowles]

The whole rainbow?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Whole rainbow. I think it'd be possible if 30% of people would also be bisexual. I'm not saying it's just gay. I'm not saying just gay.

[The Soy Pill]

I need to know, like, how the stat was calculated. Like, are there reformed gays like you or is it just people that are still gay?

[Michael Knowles]

I am not a homosexual. Thank you very much.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

That's what my.

[Michael Knowles]

Not part of the 30%. He said he was a homosexual.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

He said he's not. There we go.

[Michael Knowles]

It's amazing. These guys are just up here gay bashing me. I got a wife and three kids. Thank you very much. We turn to the audience. Good cover, Michael.

[The Soy Pill]

I guess the question I have for.

[Michael Knowles]

You is, was this seriously a real topic you wanted to address? Because who cares? People are gay and will being a gay character on a show. Like, we've had gay characters in movies and TV shows for years. Decades.

[The Soy Pill]

Since at least you were in college.

[Michael Knowles]

At least you were in college. So I'm just curious, why not bring up something of substance that's not just about television? I'll remind you, you all voted for this topic. This is what the libs always do. I have to say. They push something. They change the social norms, Be it with regard to transgenderism or homosexuality or feminism or anything else. They change the social norms. They run massive campaigns for it. And then the minute you look at that and you say, hey, that's kind of weird. Why are you doing that? They say, why do you care so much? And I say, well, you obviously, you're the one who changed the norms. And I think in this case, look, obviously there have been sort of foppish or effeminate characters in theater going back to like Euripides. But, you know, this is a little bit different. When it's a kids show, you're representing kids in these sexualized ways in deviant and aberrant ways. I mean, we're all making gay jokes and stuff up here, but this is kind of weird, you know, and same sex identity or same sex attraction and transgender identity especially is associated with a whole host of terrible psychological and social outcomes. And so it just doesn't seem like.

[The Soy Pill]

A great way Will was, you know, portrayed sexually in season five.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, I think referring to his sexual desires as a kid, you're the one who said in season one, you think it's sexual.

[The Soy Pill]

If I say I'm into woman, this is sexual just inherently.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

If I say I'm straight, is that inherently sexual?

[Michael Knowles]

I think if you're Talking about a 5 year old's sexual desires or a 10 year old's or a 12 year old's, I think it's weird and queer.

[The Soy Pill]

Will is like 17 in the show. I don't know. By the way, in season one, he was gay.

[Michael Knowles]

I just have to bring up Michael. You said kids shows you can be.

[The Soy Pill]

Gay when you're a kid.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Stranger Things is not also not a kid show.

[Michael Knowles]

It's horror and adult theme. Wait, I gotta push back.

[The Soy Pill]

It's for babies. It's written horribly like, oh, okay, it's a terrible show. And it was inspired by because he's gay, by the way.

[Michael Knowles]

And it was inspired by Stephen King's works. And I don't think kids are reading Stephen King or they should be. At least have you read it? You don't think kids like Stranger Things? Even if it's only adults looking at kid calling himself gay, I think that's even creepier. And my only point is it's obviously a social contagion you saw most especially with the transgender ideology, which is why a 1,500% increase in adolescent girls saying they have gender dysphoria in like 10 years is absurd. There's obviously something going on, and maybe we can just acknowledge that fact and try to do something about it to discourage it rather than encourage it.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

And do you agree that it's possible at least that there could be some acceptance aspect to it? There's a certain demographic of people who are gay. And they. And you can acknowledge being gay. And there might be some people who are like, oh, wow, you know, oh, my God, I'm going to a camp with all girls. And now one of them is she. They pronouns. Now everyone has she. They pronouns like, yeah, like, I understand that that can happen now. How detrimental it really is once everyone goes home and, you know, figures it out.

[Michael Knowles]

Did you also argue that it became.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Less acceptable to be straight? No.

[Michael Knowles]

Definitely.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

What?

[Michael Knowles]

No, I did, actually. Well, that's based on that study that I just cited of straight guys, especially liberal ones, who are in the Rainbow coalition trying to pretend that they're lgbt. I think that's proof of things.

[The Soy Pill]

Michael, Men have been lying for the entirety of ministry. Okay, that's not new.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Right.

[Michael Knowles]

But it's weird that they're lying that they're gay in order to get with. That's like a change. And anyway, I think that's why it's worth noting is, you know, sex is very important to human nature. And when you massively upheave all of sexual identity, that's a notable phenomenon.

[Audience Member]

Okay, I do have a question about.

[Michael Knowles]

This topic, sort of.

[Audience Member]

But first I want to say or.

[Michael Knowles]

Point out that it does make all the difference in the world with regard to the previous topic.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Oh, he's going back to immigration.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, yeah, we're going to go back to immigration.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

You were the one screaming at the table over there, weren't you?

[Michael Knowles]

I was. And I ran out of time on.

[Audience Member]

The last one, so I got to.

[Michael Knowles]

To come up to the mic time. Yeah, we're going to go back. Go for it. The point is that it does make all the difference in the world. The fact that they. It doesn't matter if they are here legally. They are not citizens.

[The Soy Pill]

No, they are citizens.

[Michael Knowles]

No, no, they. Can look. Any of those things is not a citizen. Yes, that's true.

[The Soy Pill]

Then the Constitution applies.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

No, no, I have to address this. I have to address this.

[The Soy Pill]

No, no, no.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Fine. Do you think the Constitution. Do you think the Constitution only applies to citizens? Yes or no?

[Michael Knowles]

Yes.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

No, I'm sorry. We have a lot of people. We have a lot of people who don't know the constitution very well in this country. Some of it does, some of it doesn't. Yeah, yeah. No, no, it actually doesn't. Excuse me, sir. What is the fifth amendment to the United States Constitution?

[Michael Knowles]

Tell me what it is.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Tell me what it is. You guys know all about the guy. Anyone out here? What's the fifth amendment to the United States Constitution?

[Michael Knowles]

Thou shalt not kill.

[The Soy Pill]

Right?

[Michael Knowles]

Is that.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

No, he's getting confused with the. Confused with the Commandments. What's the fifth Amendment?

[The Soy Pill]

Ask him.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

No, you know, you know, what's the Fifth Amendment?

[Audience Member]

You're asking me?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah, because you're a citizen, so maybe you should know this stuff about it.

[Michael Knowles]

Which, by the way, all the Somali legal.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

If you have to become a naturalized citizen, you have to learn a lot more.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

So he actually probably knows less about this country than someone who gets naturalized.

[Michael Knowles]

And he's entitled.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

The point that I'm bringing up here when we talk about the Fifth Amendment is the Fifth Amendment states that no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law. It does not clarify citizens. There are specific rights that are reserved to citizens. Due process is not one of them. You're right.

[Michael Knowles]

That's why these Somalis are being prosecuted right now.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

And it is very important that everyone has due process. Because if not everyone has due process, then none of us have due process. Cause someone can say that you're not a citizen. And if you don't have recourse to fight that in the courts, you're.

[Michael Knowles]

Hold on. You're right. That these Somalis have due process. Thank you. But the point that if we don't give due process to random Somalis, none of the American citizens like, yes, we could. Why not?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Hold on.

[Michael Knowles]

Why couldn't we just give it to the citizen?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

How do you know whether they're a random Somali or they are someone who has either legal protective. You verify their identity.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, cool.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

And how do you verify their identity? You check their ID and their immigration status. Who does that?

[Michael Knowles]

The government.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

The government. So you're trusting the government to have unchecked power and to police.

[Michael Knowles]

We check. We trust the government. Government to enact our due process. Hold on.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah, and that's due process and having the government and having the courts oversee that.

[Michael Knowles]

Right.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

What if ICE comes up and you.

[Michael Knowles]

Trust the government to conduct trials?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I trust the government to conduct trials more than I trust the government to not conduct trials. Okay. If we're going to have trial or not have trial.

[Michael Knowles]

If I follow that. But you know who in charge?

[Audience Member]

I'm not subject to the constitution of France. France?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I. I don't know enough about the France.

[Michael Knowles]

You were in France. A couple things.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

A couple things. No, no, wait.

[Audience Member]

About the people in America.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Wait, the constitution of America. It applies to people who are in America. But first off, I don't know enough about the French constitution nor. That's the case. But look, how many American flags I have on me. I think America's better.

[Michael Knowles]

The lady Protestant.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

One of the things that makes America better than other countries is the fact that we extend the rights of our constitutions to all individuals who reside within this country, regardless of protected status. Cuz that's actually what determines whether you are a citizen or have protected status. If you don't have due process, you do not have recourse to fight a government that tells you that you are somehow now not a citizen. Due process.

[Michael Knowles]

Just as a point of fact, due process did not make me or anyone in this room a citizen.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Wait, I didn't say that way. I didn't say that. I thought it determines whether you're a citizen and there's no way for. Yes, it does. Because if you. If someone picks you up, if Ice picks you up off the street and says you are not a citizen, we are going to deport you and you don't automatically have a right to contest that court. What are they going to do?

[The Soy Pill]

Yeah, like I know you identify as white, Michael, but you could pass as some sort of Southern American.

[Michael Knowles]

The Sicilians are a racially liminal people.

[The Soy Pill]

And the only way to make sure that you are a citizen is due process, which we're all entitled to, citizen or not.

[Michael Knowles]

No, no, I don't. I've been practicing my gooky geeky gawk ahon solo, but I can't. I don't have the Somali language either. Yes.

[The Soy Pill]

Anyway, I trade that guy for like five Somalians.

[Audience Member]

Can I bring it back to Netflix for one second?

[Michael Knowles]

Can you do what for one second?

[Audience Member]

Netflix for one second?

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Okay, bring it.

[Audience Member]

So I know that it's a pretty big push that Netflix is making Will.

[Michael Knowles]

Gay is a win for the left.

[Audience Member]

But it's odd that from who?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Wait, who said it's a win for the left?

[Michael Knowles]

Who the hell did they do it?

[The Soy Pill]

Why did they say, oh good, finally we have the will coming out.

[Michael Knowles]

Everyone hated that queer representation.

[The Soy Pill]

He's been gay since season one. That's when they celebrated.

[Audience Member]

What I was gonna point out was that the fact that the only the main gay character in the show is the one that has a demon inside of it.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, that was traumatized by a demon for his whole life.

[The Soy Pill]

Well, to be fair, he was gay before the demon and the demon didn't make him un gay. So it didn't an effect one way or the other.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

You're right.

[Michael Knowles]

This is like the Straussian reading of Netflix, but it's like a super based trad. Homophobic read of how you Become gay.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Wow.

[Michael Knowles]

Crazy.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

So wait, when you. When you said Netflix turned Will gay, is that like an acknowledgment of how people become gay and that's a good thing or you're not a fan of it?

[Michael Knowles]

No. Well, he made it as bad, but now he's making me think it might be good. That's really thoughtful. It's tough because I. All right, before we pick the best commenter and question, first we have to figure out who won the round. Was it the libs? Raise your blue cards.

[The Soy Pill]

Oh, man.

[Michael Knowles]

My kind of night. Okay.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

All right, we got some sane people here.

[Michael Knowles]

Was it the me? The red cards? All right, here we go. Whoa.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I gotta start having these of my own so I can be self congratulated on this. This is great.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Can I stack a room with people who support me and they tell me how much they love me? This is almost like a Trump rally. Pretty nice.

[Michael Knowles]

It's incredible.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

All right.

[Michael Knowles]

Raise your card if I'm really handsome. You know, it took a minute that took.

[Audience Member]

I.

[Michael Knowles]

That was. I was uncomfortable about that. Okay, so that's great.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

That one might make you gay there.

[Michael Knowles]

Now, who was the best commenter? I'm kind of torn.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

The screamer. I want to hear more about the terrible ideas that he has.

[Michael Knowles]

I thought screamer.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Oh, yeah, there we go. All right.

[Michael Knowles]

Was it the guy with the esoteric.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Reading of Netflix being homophobic that went over their heads? I don't think they picked up on that one, Michael.

[Audience Member]

No.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. Was it the first guy? The thought, whoa, that. But that first question was too calm and thoughtful. I can't imagine. So it was the first guy.

[The Soy Pill]

All right.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. It was the first guy.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Is the screamer even?

[Michael Knowles]

Man, that was a total fake out for the screamer.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I don't even. I don't. Is he still here?

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, I kind of. All right, I want to.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

He's being abnormally quiet, so I just use echolocation to find where he is.

[Michael Knowles]

Enjoy your redneck Riviera. Bourbon, please. As well as a Mayflower cigar. It is now time for round three. All right, we're coming. Is this the end? This is the last one. There's a lot of stakes here. Vaccines are bad.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Where's that one guy? He must have died. He must have died from not being vaccinated.

[Michael Knowles]

Gay marriage is fake. Okay, I guess we alluded to that one earlier. Trump's economic policies are awesome.

[The Soy Pill]

They're all feeling it. They don't want to cheer for it.

[Michael Knowles]

All right? Now, white people were treated unfairly after the Civil Rights Act.

[The Soy Pill]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

White people a little more that time.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

The white people. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

What do we think? This is a very gay show. Are we going to do? It's the gay marriage ones.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Well, Michael talks a lot about gay marriage.

[Michael Knowles]

All right. Okay.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

That's fine.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. So whose topic was that?

[The Soy Pill]

Which one?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Well, you changed all the topics.

[Michael Knowles]

You read it your way. You read it. Your. I was trying to.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Mine was exactly, was if God hated gay people, he wouldn't keep making them. Gay marriage exists whether you like it or not, and if you don't like it, you can leave.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, so, yeah. Interesting. Those are two topics.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

They are. They are two topics.

[Michael Knowles]

Which one do you want to focus on?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

We can focus more on the second one. The first one we don't, you know, we didn't talk about.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, so the topic is.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

The topic is. The topic is that gay marriage does, in fact, exist, no matter how much Michael wants to pretend that it does. And. Yeah. That if you don't like it, then, I don't know, be in one of those countries that doesn't support gay marriage that you guys also seemingly don't like. Iran. Fans of Iran. Fans of the Middle East. I don't know. I mean, there's not much gay marriage going on in those countries.

[Michael Knowles]

So what's the argument?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

My argument here is basically that Michael likes to do this thing where he makes a very. Am I responding to Michael Knowles and the arguments that Michael Knowles has made or abstract. I'm do that, actually. So when we're talking specifically about the arguments that Michael makes, what he likes to do is he likes to define what marriage is very specifically to involve a marriage that is. Or a relationship that is ordered towards procreation and sex. I think that is a very myopic view of marriage that doesn't encapsulate many marriages that people exist in and have happy relationships with. So what Michael's probably gonna do is gonna be like, well, if it's not sex, what is it? And I'm like, well, you know, it's a partnership. And he'll, like, pretend.

[Michael Knowles]

I don't even need to be here.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah, you don't need to be here. I'm gonna debate for you. It's gonna be great. You can just listen. So basically my argument that I'm making here is that gay marriage exists. Michael can argue in some esoteric sense that it doesn'. People have been legally recognized as being married. They, in fact, did. We can get into, if you want your bullshit studies about how, like, it's bad for Children, when literally only two out of the 238 children who were studied in that actually had two long term homosexual parents who were studying what we're studying. We're starting the 2012 Regeneras study that you bring up from the New Family Studies.

[Michael Knowles]

What about your Study 96 study out of Australia, the 2013 study out of Canada?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I'm talking about the one that you bring up most frequently. We can talk about the other ones.

[Michael Knowles]

I bring up a dozen of them.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

You bring up this one specifically. So I'm more talking about the merit is a complex thing and it can mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. And the fact that gay people want to get married isn't a threat to your straight marriage. If it is, your marriage isn't that strong in the first place.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, I'm willing to interject in this debate you're having with me through you. So you know it's true that kids don't do well with same sex parents. No, it's not. But that's actually secondary to your point, which is gay marriage exists.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

It does.

[Michael Knowles]

I guess my argument is gay marriage doesn't really exist in the way that a square circle doesn't really exist. A lawmaker could come out and say, I passed the square circle law. And a judge could come out and say, we defend protections for square circles, but nevertheless square circles would not exist. And so it seems to me it is intrinsic to the nature of marriage that it's a union between a man and a woman ordered toward the procreation and education of children. My evidence for this is that is what distinguishes marriage from other kinds of relationships. Friends, siblings, roommates, all the rest, co workers. But furthermore, some of my evidence is that that is how marriage. Well, the word matrimony comes from the Latin word mater, which means mother. So it's facially absurd for two men to be in a matrimony. There's no lady there. But then my historical evidence would be throughout all of human history, every single place in the entire world, marriage has always meant the union of a man and a woman for these purposes. And that only began to change in 2001 in the Netherlands and then 14 years later in the United States. And I think they probably just got wrong. It seems to me that if marriage does not mean what we have always understood everywhere, across religions, across cultures, if we don't understand what it means, then marriage just loses its meaning. It is no different from a dating relationship or a, I don't know, a business partnership or any Other kind of relationship. So you don't end up expanding marriage, you abolish marriage altogether.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I wanna respond to that in multiple ways. 1. So you're focused a lot on this idea that it's ordered towards the procreation of children. And this idea. Oh, I'm sure if we're talking specifically, let's say that a couple decides that they never want to have children. Let's say they even both get. Both get a hysterectomy or not both get a hysterectomy.

[Michael Knowles]

No, that would be a little weird.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Marriage would have other problems. Yeah. So if they both become infertile or have those procedures done and they get married, would you support that marriage even existing? Because it can't be procreative. It literally can't ever. It's still between a man and a woman, but it removes that aspect. Are you just against that type of marriage?

[Michael Knowles]

I suppose. I mean, if a couple merely suffers infertility, that obviously would not contradict the definition of marriage as being ordered toward procreation and the education of children. But if a couple goes in, they say, we're gonna get married, but we never wanna have children. We both wanna get hysterectomies or whatever. And so we don't want that. I would say at a very, very deep level, that is contrary to the nature of marriage.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

But because can they get married?

[Michael Knowles]

Are you making an ontological. I'm happy to ask.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

He is making an ontological argument.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, I am touching on ontology. Cause it's about what you should really, you should explain. But how do you do that though? Like, how are you gonna make an ontological argument about marriage if. If how we define marriage naturally in all these societies is how we come to a union with people and they make an agreement. Well, that's not.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

How do you go beyond that?

[Michael Knowles]

Well, with ontology, I guess, you know, I was speaking about nature. So the question. You're using a very fancy word, ontological meaning pertaining to the nature of being or what it really is. And I suppose the disagreement here is many people who support so called same sex marriage think that words can mean whatever we say they mean. Kind of like Humpty Dumpty.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Hours and wonders work, Michael. They evolve over time. You're like, words can mean whatever you want them to mean. They kind of can't mean whatever you say. They're saying they can evolve.

[The Soy Pill]

Is the distinction for marriage just if you intend to have kids? So, like. No. What is that?

[Michael Knowles]

So to answer your earlier question, which is a very good Question. If a couple goes in and they say, we don't want children or we don't think we want children or whatever, as a matter of the civil law, which has to be a little bit broader than the purest form of ontology, say, I would say, yeah, that's fine, because the union of a man and a woman in itself is ordered to. Toward the procreation because they can bump uglies. And that's, you know, birds do it, bees do it. So I would err on the side of grace there. When we're talking about things of different natures, when we're talking about not just, you know, a liberal man and woman who want to go to brunch more often, but like two fellas or two ladies or three guys and a billy goat, that is fundamentally different. And I think that stretches the definition of marriage beyond any coherence.

[The Soy Pill]

What about, like the President having three different marriages and cheating on his wife? Is that like a more view valid marriage than two guys who have never cheated on each other and have two adopted wonderful children?

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Well, I'm certainly opposed to divorce. I think divorce is bad. I think it's bad that we liberalize divorce.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I'm making it very clear. You're against no fault divorce. Right. You're not against all forms of divorce?

[Michael Knowles]

Well, I actually don't really believe in divorce because I'm a Catholic. But why does it matter? I guess we have to.

[The Soy Pill]

If that's true, why do Republicans keep getting divorced?

[Michael Knowles]

Say it again.

[The Soy Pill]

Why don't, like, every Republican keep getting divorced? Like Steven Crowder, like Donald Trump? Why don't they get divorced?

[Michael Knowles]

It's very sad. I mean, look, the divorce rates have risen in recent decades because of the law, largely. So it's too much.

[The Soy Pill]

Take your marriage position seriously. When your entire party says, oh, that's not valid marriage. When I see tons of happy gay couples, you guys can't seem to hold down a wife. I mean, I'll give you like five, 10 years. I don't know what you talking about for now. You're only 35.

[Michael Knowles]

I mean, yeah, it's true. I. Yeah, I'm. I'm Catholic. The only way she gets rid of me is if she puts the pillow over my head at night. Okay, it's time to get to the audience question.

[Audience Member]

All right, here's a fun one. So I actually just got married 3ish weeks ago.

[Michael Knowles]

Hey. All right, well, wait, wait. Michael, he didn't.

[The Soy Pill]

He didn't say if it was gay or.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

He didn't say it Was gay. I know we gotta clarify for our friends.

[Michael Knowles]

Should you get married to a lady.

[Audience Member]

Or a beautiful lady?

[Michael Knowles]

Now we're talking. All right, a real one.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I'm gonna have to see the chromosome chart on that one.

[The Soy Pill]

I'm not a fan.

[Michael Knowles]

So here's the fun one.

[Audience Member]

Here's the fun one. Ready? My identical twin brother is as gay as the day is long.

[Michael Knowles]

Wow. See, that's what I was just talking about.

[Audience Member]

So we actually got in a debate the other day after we got married, because I met my wife in March. I saw her and went wife. We dated long distance from Nashville to la. I got her to move to here.

[Michael Knowles]

Let's go.

[Audience Member]

And we got married real quick. And so we did start debating. And I straight up said the difference between straight marriage and gay marriage is. Straight marriage is like, actually a marriage versus gay marriage is more of a legal definition because there was a lot of gay couples who just wanted the benefits that the government was giving them. But the difference is the, like, Christians and religious folk believe that marriage is a thing ordained by their God, whoever's God, they follow.

[Michael Knowles]

The real one, in my case, define it that way.

[The Soy Pill]

If you want to have, like, your special, like. Well, mine's the real one. And that makes you feel better. Like, that's fine. Just don't ask us to pretend like the gay people aren't married.

[Michael Knowles]

Like, yeah, well, no. The reason I say God exists is because it's true and knowable by human reason.

[The Soy Pill]

Do you have a source for that?

[Michael Knowles]

Say it again.

[The Soy Pill]

You have a source?

[Michael Knowles]

I do, actually. Aquinas is five ways.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Aquinas. Hold on. No, no. Did you guys. Anyway, rape was not as bad as masturbation. You know, that's true. That. Because if you. If you didn't know this. Actually, I'm going to finish this point. Because he's a Catholic, he got some crazy things he has to defend if he's going to be a Catholic here. If we're talking specifically about Aquinas, he said that rape in circumstances is not as bad as masturbation. Because rape actually can be a procreative act. If it's between a man and a woman, masturbation is always a mortal sin.

[Michael Knowles]

So I'm just curious, why did you say that?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Because it's not ordered towards reproduction.

[Michael Knowles]

No, because it's contrary to nature.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

It's contrary to nature and rape isn't contrary to nature. When you base it off natural, you end up defending things as rape being.

[Michael Knowles]

I would say, dangerous. Drink deep or taste not the Pyrean spring.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

You know, I was just gonna say.

[Michael Knowles]

That Plato said that seduction was worse than rape for the same kinds of reasons, because to.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Do you agree with that?

[Michael Knowles]

We don't worship.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Do you agree with that?

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, he makes a very good point.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

So you agree that seduction is worse than rape? Well, the way he doesn't want to. Let's. No, it's actually kind of a yes or no question.

[Audience Member]

It's really simple things. Thing like is. Like. Is marriage from between a man and woman the same thing as man and man?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

What do you mean same? I mean. No, it's a man and a woman and a man and a man.

[Audience Member]

So it's different.

[Michael Knowles]

Therefore. Thank you.

[Audience Member]

Should be separate.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

They are. They can be separate in whatever religious sense you want. No one's claimed. No, no.

[Michael Knowles]

But he's asking are they the same? So are they.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Of course they're not the same. The same way I'm not as him and I'm not the same as you. Neither two marriages the same.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, let me explain, because you're bringing up Thomas Aquinas and we're talking about.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

About Plato.

[Michael Knowles]

Let me go back to Aristotle's law of non contradiction. If we say that man plus woman equals X, and then you say that sex.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Actually, it's sex.

[Michael Knowles]

It equals sex. It also equals sex. If we're saying that, that means one thing.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Right.

[Michael Knowles]

And then we say that man plus man does not equal X. Cause they're not the same thing.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Yeah, I've taken logic before. I understand where you're going with this is the point that I would get on error. Yeah.

[The Soy Pill]

But the thing that is this. Plus this is straight.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

That's.

[Michael Knowles]

You just accepted the principle. No, no, I just.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I reject the premise that marriage is inherently between a man and a woman. Therefore, what I would reject is man plus woman in a procreative union. So then what's that? Marriage. Here's the thing that Michael's gonna do here is he's gonna. Because I can't. Hold on. Let me make it very clear. I'm. I think a marriage is a partnership between two people that is focused on living together in communion, in harmony, and believing in that. What Michael's gonna do is what makes that different than two guys or two brothers living with each other?

[Michael Knowles]

Good question here.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

And the problem. Good question. The problem here's the problem that he does is that marriage and a lot are a little bit hard to define. And there's a lot of like.

[Michael Knowles]

It's not that hard to. It actually is, Michael.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

It's the same way. If I say, what is love, Michael? Define love.

[Michael Knowles]

To me, love is the willing of the good of the other for his own sake.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Okay, so if I hold on, by the way. Okay, yeah. So then if I do so, then I inherently do that. If I will to the good of someone else, I will for the good, for others, for their own sake, all the time, even if I don't like them at all. You think it's love? I really want other people to do well, even if I really hate. Hate them.

[Michael Knowles]

Even if they're terrible, charitable and loving.

[The Soy Pill]

I. I gave a quarter to a homeless guy. I don't love him.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I don't get out of my.

[Michael Knowles]

It's a good ass. Not with the right intent. By your definition, is love.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

I willed it to him for his own sake. Here you go. I want you to do well. Here you go. I'm giving you a. Well, you say you love it, so you are loving person and is that. But, but, but there's a different type of love than that than marriage. And it might be a more gradient spectrum.

[Michael Knowles]

The point I'm trying to. Marriage is also willing to. Good.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

The point I'm trying to make here, Michael, is that there's a lot of. There's a. There's a lot of ambiguity surrounding a lot of these topics. And what Michael likes to do, I.

[Michael Knowles]

Just answered it very succinctly.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

He likes to throw the lifeline to marriage. Is this rah. And I'm like, well, maybe it's a little more complicated than that. Your audience goes, no, it's not. And I think that's the exact point that I'm trying to make here, is that there is fuzziness around the edges and people who want to reject the nuances and people who exist in society differently than you, it doesn't mean that they're wrong. They might just live a different lifestyle than you. And if you can't get over that, maybe you should go live in a country where gay marriage doesn't exist. Pick your favorite Middle Eastern country that claim to hate.

[Michael Knowles]

You mean all of them before. Fine, go for it.

[The Soy Pill]

Yeah.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Okay.

[Michael Knowles]

There you go.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

So why don't you leave them?

[The Soy Pill]

All of them, ever.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

So then you can go one of those.

[Michael Knowles]

I love Oliver.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Oh, you do?

[Michael Knowles]

Yes, and I. Hold on. Careful, Michael. If you love him so much, why don't you love him? So I'm going to stop you from immersing yourself in this explanation.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Oh, I'm sure.

[Michael Knowles]

Do we have any more questions? No, that's it. We got a poll who won that Round was it, my liberal friends? Raise the blue flag. Okay, we got a few. Okay.

[The Soy Pill]

All right. Now, if you were scammed by Trump coin, raise the red flag.

[Michael Knowles]

No one was. That's why no flag would go up. If you think that I won that round, raise the. The red flag. All right, there we go. Lot of people who got marriage is coming back.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Lot of people.

[Michael Knowles]

You actually see it in public opinion polls. Actually supportive gay marriage is going down, but that's.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Sure it does. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, now we got to pick the vip. I think it's an obvious answer, right?

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Were there any other questions? There's only one.

[The Soy Pill]

The guy.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

The guy with a good.

[Michael Knowles]

Hey, you just got married.

[The Soy Pill]

Is your.

[Michael Knowles]

Is your wife pregnant yet?

[Audience Member]

Unfortunately, no. We want to spend some time before we have kids.

[Michael Knowles]

Forget about that. Get her up here and give her some of that beautiful redneck Riviera bourbon and let's get things moving. That's great. Okay. In my opinion, nobody wins a bar fight. They're only losers. So the question. Now, forget about red and blue. We're going individual people who lost tonight and who is going to have to buy the round. Is it the soy pill? Oh, no. I can sense what's about to happen.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

They don't like me. Here we go. Bring it on.

[Michael Knowles]

Is it the man who debated with multiple personalities at the same time? Oliver.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Here we go. Here we go. There we go.

[Michael Knowles]

And is it.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

There's a badge of honor.

[Michael Knowles]

One of his personalities. Me? No. Okay.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

All right.

[Michael Knowles]

One couple.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

All right.

[Michael Knowles]

Oliver, you did it, buddy. Thank you very much. Wonderful to see everybody. We'll see you all on the next bar fight.

[Oliver Nyhaus]

Woo. All right, thank you, Michael.

[The Soy Pill]

It.