"Charlie Kirk Helped Me Find Jesus" Students Give Their Testimony | Cross The Line

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Podcast Summary:

Podcast: The Michael Knowles Show
Episode: "Charlie Kirk Helped Me Find Jesus" Students Give Their Testimony | Cross The Line
Date: September 27, 2025
Host: Sam Spainer (guest-hosting for The Daily Wire) with student guests: Elizabeth Kleckner, Nathan McIntyre, Teva Feit

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Episode Overview

This somber and powerful episode focuses on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, founder of Turning Point USA, and the aftermath on college campuses. Sam Spainer hosts a roundtable discussion with three students—Elizabeth, Nathan, and Teva—whose personal and spiritual lives were deeply transformed by Kirk. The conversation examines Kirk’s impact on their faith, the state of debate and violence on American campuses, and what comes next for the conservative youth movement in an era of rising hostility. The tone is earnest, mournful, but defiant.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. The Shock and Aftermath of Charlie Kirk’s Assassination

• Tribute and National Trauma

  • The episode opens by recounting Kirk’s assassination on a university campus, framing it as a national trauma and a dire turning point for political violence in America.
  • "Charlie Kirk has been shot. Political assassination triggering a national trauma the likes of which we had not seen in decades." —Sam Spainer [00:18]

• Student and Organizational Response

  • Students and TPUSA vow to continue Kirk’s campus tour despite the threats and tragedy, with record-breaking attendance at the first event after his death (4,000 attendees for a 2,700-seat auditorium).
  • They describe a duty to "reassert order and re establish a healthy politics." —Sam Spainer [03:50].

2. Charlie Kirk’s Influence on Faith and Personal Growth

• Finding Faith through Kirk’s Example

  • Students credit Kirk’s lifestyle and his blending of faith and political engagement as pivotal to their own returns to Christianity.
  • "Charlie's impact, you know, he also made me a better Christian...just, like, impacted me more to be just super close to my faith." —Elizabeth Kleckner [00:00, 05:01]

• Living Faith, Not Empty Rhetoric

  • Kirk is remembered for "approach[ing] people with love" and authentically living his values, unlike many public figures.
  • "He wasn't just like some kind of talking head, but, like, actually lived and approached people with love." —Nathan McIntyre [00:06, 05:25]

• A Unique Combination of Public Figures

  • Kirk is described as “the embodiment of Rush Limbaugh and Billy Graham in the same person.” —Elizabeth Kleckner [05:50], a blend of political heft and evangelical fervor.

3. Kirk’s Political Effectiveness and His Opposition

• Changing Campus Norms

  • Kirk’s ability to shift youth culture and bring debates directly to hostile spaces is repeatedly stressed.
  • “...if I talk to them for 30 seconds, I can change their whole lives.” —Charlie Kirk, quoted by Nathan McIntyre [06:46]

• The Left’s Hostility and Cultural Pushback

  • The students and host analyze why Kirk was targeted, suggesting that his visible, uncompromising Christianity and effectiveness made him a threat.
  • Stories of campus disinterest—or even celebration—after Kirk’s murder are shared, standing in stark contrast to the grief felt by his followers.
  • “Every two voices I heard...were celebrating it. It's crazy.” —Elizabeth Kleckner [12:46]

4. The Climate of Threats and Political Violence

• Firsthand Accounts of Intimidation

  • Nathan recounts a threat on his life as a campus conservative at UMD. The administration failed to protect him, forcing him to switch schools.
  • “A student on campus threatened to shoot me...I didn't go to school for three weeks. The school didn't do anything.” —Nathan McIntyre [14:54]

• Contrast in Social Responses

  • The group highlights the double standard in responses to threats: threats against conservatives are mostly ignored, while even vague or false allegations against the left are amplified.
  • “If someone had accused you of a hate crime, it would be a statewide news story. But a direct threat to kill you passes by.” —Sam Spainer [15:59]

5. Defiance, Mobilization, and Faith in the Movement

• Rejection of Fear and Retreat

  • Despite real danger, the students express a refusal to be intimidated.
  • “That’s not gonna turn us down. We're gonna come back and live through him even more.” —Teva Feit [16:46]
  • “I literally dropped a class just to be here.” —Elizabeth Kleckner [16:57]

• Movement Growth and a New Revival

  • Post-assassination, chapters are swelling with new members—"from kind of moderate sides also go to the right side, which is awesome." —Elizabeth Kleckner [18:16]
  • The “hunger for truth and just normalcy and reality” is expected to drive more youth into conservative activism.

• Handling Hostility Civilly

  • Calls for nonviolent, faithful response to celebrators of political violence:
    • “To not fight violence with violence, we gotta do it through our Christian theology and God will handle the rest.” —Elizabeth Kleckner [20:31]
    • “There’s gonna be repercussions for this.” —Teva Feit [20:22]

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote | |-----------|---------|-------| | 00:00 | Elizabeth Kleckner | “Charlie's impact, you know, he also made me a better Christian.” | | 00:06/05:25 | Nathan McIntyre | “He wasn't just like some kind of talking head, but, like, actually lived and approached people with love.” | | 05:50 | Elizabeth Kleckner | “People say he's the embodiment of Rush Limbaugh and Billy Graham in the same person.” | | 06:46 | Nathan McIntyre (quoting Charlie Kirk) | “The universities get these kids for four years, and they know that if I talk to them for 30 seconds, I can change their whole lives.” | | 12:46 | Elizabeth Kleckner | “Every two voices I heard...were celebrating it. It's crazy.” | | 14:54 | Nathan McIntyre | “A student on campus threatened to shoot me...The school didn't do anything.” | | 16:46 | Teva Feit | “That’s not gonna turn us down. We're gonna come back and live through him even more.” | | 17:10 | Nathan McIntyre | “You trust in the Lord, you say the truth. Whatever happens is God's will.” | | 18:16 | Elizabeth Kleckner | “Going back before Charlie's unfortunate, you know, killing, we had about 30 members at Duluth. Now we're up to, like, 70...So the impact's just everywhere, and we're trying to continue that.” | | 20:31 | Elizabeth Kleckner | “To not fight violence with violence, we gotta do it through our Christian theology and God will handle the rest.” |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [00:00–01:15] Introduction and recounting Kirk's assassination, his legacy, and impact.
• [04:36–07:56] Student testimonies: discovering Kirk, his influence on their faith and activism.
• [08:58–10:18] Discussing the blending of faith and political action; “We have the numbers, we can do this.”
• [12:12–14:15] Campus climate post-murder and personal stories of indifference or hostile reactions.
• [14:54–16:00] Accounts of threats against conservatives on campus; lack of institutional protection.
• [16:46–18:36] Students’ refusal to be intimidated and the movement’s rapid growth post-assassination.
• [19:33–20:37] What to do about those who celebrate violence; calls for Christian civility and continued activism.

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Conclusion

This episode offers an emotional chronicle of Charlie Kirk’s impact both as a public figure and as a personal inspiration, especially to young conservatives and Christians. The guests reflect on the pain and shock of political violence but respond with renewed commitment, hope, and an explicit sense of spiritual mission. Despite deep societal division, the students remain defiant in their pursuit of debate, truth, and revival, continuing Kirk’s work in his memory.

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Transcript

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

Charlie's impact, you know, he also made me a better Christian. I saw Charlie on YouTube and I was like, all right, let's get back into this thing.

[Nathan McIntyre]

He wasn't just like some kind of talking head, but, like, actually lived and approached people with love. Like, he. He genuinely wanted people to be better.

[Sam Spainer]

On the 22nd, we will be in University of Minnesota Twin Cities. I'll see you in Mogadishu, Somalia. I don't know how to respond in their native language, but how. See you up there. Okeka dee baca bacabac. See you later. God bless you guys. My friend Charlie Kirk and I were scheduled to host an event together at the University of Minnesota on September 22 as part of his American comeback tour. Twelve days before that event could take place, an assassin's bullet took Charlie's life. Charlie Kirk has been shot. Political assassination triggering a national trauma the likes of which we had not seen in decades. That someone's life was taken because they have a different opinion. It's just unbelievable.

[Teva Feit]

He was the voice of a generation and gave voice to a generation.

[Nathan McIntyre]

He was killed because his words made a difference.

[Sam Spainer]

He is irreplaceable. He was a true, authentic American genius. This guy is reaching out to his mortal enemy, saying we need to be gentlemen, sit down together and disagree agreeably. He was for dialogue, open debate and dialogue. Even with me, I feel the gravity of the moment you're talking about. But what if the other side doesn't? What do we do?

[Nathan McIntyre]

Charlie Kirk just got shot, girl.

[Sam Spainer]

Someone had to do it. Put down like a dog in Utah. You know, what kind of Nazi is the best Nazi? A dead one. This is a guy that was willing to engage in debate, to resolve disagreements. And the fact that I am seeing celebration, this is disgusting. He is not martyr material, so his death will mean nothing. As we all mourned Charlie's death, a question had to be answered. Would his tour go on? Charlie's organization, tpusa, insisted that it must.

[Nathan McIntyre]

Our campus tour this fall will continue.

[Sam Spainer]

There will be even more tours in the years to come. In a world filled with chaos, doubt, and uncertainty, my husband's voice will ring.

[Nathan McIntyre]

Out louder and more clearly than ever.

[Sam Spainer]

And I agreed wholeheartedly. Evil forces thought that they could stop Charlie's movement. His many friends and his millions of admirers would not allow that to happen.

[Nathan McIntyre]

Just a couple of hours, the University.

[Sam Spainer]

Of Minnesota will be hosting the first Turning Point USA event since its founder, Charlie Kirk, was killed on a campus in Utah. What was intended to be a conversation between two Friends with Q and A from the audience became a tribute to a man who gave his life to encourage healthy debate throughout the country and especially on campus for the freshman pledge, the junior sociology major, and all those kids scrolling through clips online, being exposed to new ideas and having their minds changed. Charlie Cook, the Gardner found out. TPUSA's decision to continue the tour raised a serious question. Would students feel comfortable showing up amid the widespread celebration of political violence against people like them? You need conservatives to be afraid of getting killed when they go to events so that they look to their leadership to turn down the temperature. The answer was a resounding yes. Campus security estimated 4,000 people showed up to an auditorium that could fit fewer than 2,700 to show that they would not be threatened and intimidated into silence. What we must now do is reassert order and re establish a healthy politics. You all who have come out here tonight, despite the threats, despite the hardship, have shown that you all believe that it can be done. The man that we honor tonight gave his life in the confident hope that it can be done. We must never despair. We must never surrender to the forces that seek our destruction. And we must work tirelessly to ensure that this moment truly becomes a turning point for America. Thank you very much. It was an honor to pay tribute to the man they came to see, the man who set the standard for campus outreach at Healthy Debate. And it was a special pleasure to sit down there with some of the students whose lives Charlie had changed. When did you first encounter Charlie, Kirk?

[Teva Feit]

Well, I first encountered Charlie when I was in high school. I saw all his videos on, you know, Instagram and TikTok about two years ago.

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

It's the same year that I came back to my faith as well.

[Sam Spainer]

Hmm.

[Nathan McIntyre]

Yeah, about junior, senior year of high school. Saw his Instagram videos. Very moving.

[Teva Feit]

Yeah, mine was about the same way with the Instagram videos just about a year ago.

[Sam Spainer]

It's the best recommendation for kids to be on TikTok and Instagram that I've ever heard. You say that you were out of your faith and then you came back into it. Yep. How did that happen?

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

I just felt God's presence and, you know, with Charlie's impact, you know, he also made me a better Christian. I think the way that Charlie spoke about his faith just, like, impacted me more to be just super close to my faith as much as possible and to learn from him as well.

[Sam Spainer]

So what is it about him? There are plenty of people who talk. There are plenty of people on TikTok and Instagram most of whom are disreputable and should not be viewed by teenagers. What was it about him that grabbed you?

[Nathan McIntyre]

I think it was mostly. I mean, just the way he lived his life. He wasn't just like some kind of talking head, but, like, actually lived and approached people with love. Like, he genuinely wanted people to be better. He was called. He was going to these campuses where people disagreed with him, people were struggling, people were miserable, and he was trying to get them to a better place. And I think that resonated with a lot of people.

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

People say that he's the embodiment of Rush Limbaugh and Billy Graham and the same person.

[Sam Spainer]

I couldn't agree more to that combo. Yeah.

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

No, and that's just really inspiring for not only on a political scale, but also just my faith and just Christianity as a whole.

[Teva Feit]

I thought he always had his facts known and set straight when he was debating. So it was really nice to hear someone not just spitballing things, but he'd bring the facts back with it, and then he'd back up his faith with theology. But then he'll also go back to statistics and what some people would call concrete examples.

[Sam Spainer]

It seems like the left hated him in particular. And for a while, I thought this was really weird because of all the people in public life who would go around, give speeches, organize campaign, of all of them, he was in many ways the most moderate or the most gracious, generous. He was certainly up there. And so I thought, of all the people you're going to try to get, why him? Why do you think he aroused such ire?

[Nathan McIntyre]

I think just the way his character, the way he loved God, his family, his country, and how that shone through. There was some clip where they asked Charlie, like, why the universities hate having him on campus and why there's so much pushback from the university. And obviously there's a lot of reasons, but. But Charlie said something like, the universities get these kids for four years, and they know that if I talk to them for 30 seconds, I can change their whole lives. I think they saw that, and I think that's why they hated him.

[Sam Spainer]

You keep coming back to religion and specifically the way he lived his life, that he actually walked the walk, he practiced what he preached. Charlie is one of my few friends that I've never had a cigar and a drink with because he didn't smoke and he didn't drink. I found it very frustrating. But he really lived that. You think that that very, very high standard, and he lived up to it. That that is what really enraged people.

[Nathan McIntyre]

Absolutely, yeah.

[Sam Spainer]

If that's what you're really interested in, why wouldn't you join the Christian group on campus? What would attract you to a political organization like Turning Point USA if you're seeking those religious lessons?

[Teva Feit]

Well, public policy affects everyone. So if we don't have good students in schools, don't have good people in government, then we won't have that protection of religion. It's going to be further encroached by, you know, one of the parties.

[Sam Spainer]

So this is something I always loved about Charlie, because there are plenty of dime store philosophers who will write some white paper that no one cares about, but they have their brilliant idea and everyone has to go read their book or whatever. And Charlie, weirdly, was interested at the same time in the eternal and the most nitty gritty political. So he was always preaching the gospel, always trying to get people to religion, but also focused on that House race in Missouri 5 and all focused on making sure they sign up enough voters in Arizona. And I think some people saw that as a contradiction, but I certainly do not. I agree with Charlie on that, which is, yeah, you've got your eyes on the prize, you've got your eyes on the eternal destiny of the heavenly Jerusalem, but we're here, aren't we? We have bodies, we have communities, we have nations and families. We gotta do something about that. Those, those two things really are not supposed to be disconnected.

[Nathan McIntyre]

Yeah, I think the left likes to try and tell us that we don't have the numbers like that. We just need to kind of stay hidden and, you know, do our own little thing in the corner. I know when we have club fairs, it's always, you know, the Catholics and Turning Point USA are in the farthest back corner away from everybody. You gotta, like, realize that we have people, we have a movement. And I think Charlie was really good about, especially with the youth, getting the youth out and knowing that we have the numbers, we can do this.

[Sam Spainer]

The Democrats still technically won young voters in 2024, barely. And young voters moved 10 points to the right. And who led the young voter efforts? It was Charlie. There was no number two. How did he do it so effectively? You know, plenty of people would go to campus and talk. And even the format of Change My Mind, Prove me wrong, Ask me anything. You know, that's a format that's been around for a long time. Plenty of people have done it. Why was he so good at it?

[Teva Feit]

He set his mic down just so that, like, he would let the other person talk like it was a Very inspiring. Way on. Wow, how he was always so approachable and he just welcomed that other diversity side and, like, kind of was able to push back against that and, like, was a really comforting guy. I feel like he really told the truth. Through his debate, it was very apparent that, like, he meant what he said and that's what really stood out to, like, people.

[Sam Spainer]

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[Nathan McIntyre]

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[Sam Spainer]

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[Teva Feit]

Well, I can speak for the Twin Cities. So the day after President Trump was elected, we were offered mental health services, those dogs that we can pet, free food Stuff like that.

[Sam Spainer]

In fairness, I think those students probably could use some mental health services. I think you're right.

[Teva Feit]

Yeah. But then, like, you know, after September 10th, the 11th, I came to campus. I was texting my friends. We were all really sad. We were still grieving, went to a bunch of vigils, but everyone else on campus seemed pretty fine, pretty okay. Which I guess you could say it was disheartening, but I wasn't expecting anything less.

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

So, I mean, for Duluth, when, after the news that Charlie passed away, like, every two voices I heard, you know, going throughout the hallways was like they were celebrating it. And I was just like. I mean, just, how can you even do that? It's crazy. And it's just Duluth needs a big change, and I'm obviously trying to get that underway, but, I mean, it's just crazy.

[Sam Spainer]

People who just try to have civil debate are not supposed to be murdered for it. On the left or on the right or in the middle or anywhere else, that's not supposed to happen. And at a university which in principle endeavors to exchange ideas and arrive at the truth, that's an existential threat to the mission of the university. How could the university not take that seriously?

[Nathan McIntyre]

I go to a school at a small private school, and I had politics class, 9am the day after. And I was actually supposed to. The professor had asked me to make an announcement to the class about the event that was supposed to happen here and see if any of my class would want to come along. I walked in and my professor was like, well, that's not happening. And he's a liberal professor. He kind of just had it like a. Oh, well. And he talked about political violence, you know, the next day, and kind of just tied to both sides the issue. And I was kind of just sitting there like that. It's completely different. He's not even in the government. He has no, like, decision making power, and he's just trying to talk to people in no way.

[Sam Spainer]

Right. I guess this is why the comparison is so ridiculous. One, because the left can point to one or two examples of political violence, right to left. Even that, though, let's say you get one or two where you say it's right to left. Every other example you can name in recent memory, at least, going back to BLM, actually going back much further, to the 70s, to the 60s, to. All of the examples are from the left. And a lot of the time they're not even categorized as political violence. There was an attack at the University of Pittsburgh a couple years ago. I Was there. It was a debate over transgenderism. Antifa threw an explosive at the building when we were walking on stage. It seriously injured a female cop. Not classified as political violence.

[Nathan McIntyre]

So I was president at umd. The word Nathan, is now. I was president of the Turning Point USA chapter there last year. We were preparing to host a speaker and a student on campus threatened to shoot me in the student common area. I didn't go to school for three weeks. The school didn't do anything. I slept on the floor of my buddy's dorm room. The school's solution was they said they couldn't do anything to the student until police had finished their investigation. Well, that does me no good. He's still walking around campus. He's the president of the socialist chapter.

[Sam Spainer]

I mean, that's a crime. It's a crime to levy a direct threat.

[Nathan McIntyre]

Yes, absolutely. And he was charged with by the police and he pled down. I don't know if he's still on campus. The school wouldn't tell me if he would be allowed to come back. So I transferred schools. I'm now involved with the Turning Point chapter at my other school. And Nathan here has taken over Duluth very courageously. Those are just the threats you don't even hear about.

[Sam Spainer]

Of course.

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

Yeah, we were literally tabling when that happened. I was right next to him when that happened. It's like mind blowing.

[Sam Spainer]

Now, of course, if it had been in the other direction.

[Nathan McIntyre]

Absolutely.

[Sam Spainer]

If someone had accused you of a hate crime, no matter how absurd, it would be a statewide news story. But a direct threat to kill you passes by. So then what's your take on campus now? Because it's a legitimate question. I was doing an interview with a liberal outlet earlier. They said, okay, so is the event going to go on? And I said, yes, it is. I spoke to Turning Point. They want it to go on. I think that's the right decision. I would be happy to do whatever they want to do, but if they want to do it, I'm going to show up. We can't back down in front of these people. The host of the show asked me, well, are people going to show up? Aren't they scared? You know, isn't it. It's kind of dangerous, isn't it? The insinuation being that we need to stay home, we need to accede to these threats. But it's a real concern. Are you guys afraid? No. No. Why not?

[Teva Feit]

I mean, like everyone's been saying, this is the turning point. This is when we come back stronger than ever. That's not gonna turn us down. We're gonna come back and live through him even more.

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

I literally dropped a class just to be here.

[Sam Spainer]

All right, my man.

[Teva Feit]

It comes down to faith for me, but also, like, when you know you're in the right, you're doing the right thing. So I want a turning point to be here when I graduate. That was my goal, coming here.

[Nathan McIntyre]

You don't want to have something where you regret not being involved, you know, and you got. You trust in the Lord, you say the truth. Whatever happens is God's will. It's going to happen. And we see with Charlie, he can take something that is evil and use it to bring the most good. And we are agents cooperating with God's will.

[Sam Spainer]

So I totally agree with that. What's your impression of Charlie and his impact? Because I think a lot of people would say, well, he was preaching to the choir. All you kids were already conservative, and you got to preach to the choir. The choir needs preaching. But that's not my impression. From what I would see, he really turned people. Is that seeing your friends and your classmates? Did that happen?

[Teva Feit]

Yeah. So when we started our chapter back In November of 24, I had seven people at my first meeting. Then last week, we had about 30, about 45 in our group chat. You can't say it now, but in the future, we're gonna see the statistics show that Gen Z is gonna become more conservative, they're gonna become more Christian, and it's gonna be a small revival. And I think Charlie's head is gonna have a huge part in that.

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

Yeah, we had. Going back before Charlie's unfortunate, you know, killing, we had about 30 members at Duluth. Now we're up to, like, 70. Getting close to 80 now. And we've had a lot of people, you know, from kind of moderate sides also go to the right side, which is awesome. Pretty awesome to see. So the impact's just everywhere, and we're trying to continue that.

[Nathan McIntyre]

I've seen a lot of people, not even just youth, but even I had, like, Obviously, I had a lot of people texting me, you know, because they knew I was involved with Turning Point. I had family members and neighbors texting me, and now they all want to get involved. And so it's not even just the youth. It's people who were kind of, like, on the sidelines, kind of. They believe in the conservative movement, but they don't really want to do anything. And they see Charlie's courage, and it's kind of been like, well, Charlie did all These things when he was 31, he made such a huge impact. And I'm here sitting on my couch.

[Sam Spainer]

And Charlie didn't come from money. Charlie didn't have some fancy college degree. Charlie didn't have connections to all the richest people in the world. He just kind of did it.

[Nathan McIntyre]

He outworked them.

[Sam Spainer]

He did outwork them. Post Charlie, people have to figure out what to do, how to keep the coalition together, where to move, what that turning point is going to be, what's.

[Nathan McIntyre]

Going to drive it, the hunger for truth, the hunger for just normalcy and reality. What happened to Charlie is not normal. That shock is going to drive them and they're gonna say, we want normalcy. And it exposes, like we've kind of been discussing all the people who've been celebrating this. It exposes them as complete, just like crazy people.

[Sam Spainer]

What should happen to those people, the ones who are celebrating? And I guess that's throughout all of society. There are students who are doing it. There are professors who are doing it. Doctors and nurses and teachers and waiters. What is the response to the people who would celebrate the murder of the most mainstream civil conversationalists? In other words, would celebrate your murder too.

[Teva Feit]

Yeah. I think it really puts it on us to speak out towards those people and let them know that this isn't okay. There's gonna be repercussions for this.

[Sam Spainer]

Yes.

[Elizabeth Kleckner]

To not fight violence with violence, we gotta do it through our Christian theology and God will handle the rest.

[Sam Spainer]

Yes. Yeah. Do it in a civil way, through the civil authority. Sometimes, you know, and people step out of bounds. But that's right. The consequences have to continue until the behavior improves. I think. I think that's what a turning point means. Wonderful to sit down with all of you. Thank you for risking, well, not only your safety, but also your grades and the classes that you're skipping to come down here. It's great to see you. The Turning Point tour continues this fall with Charlie's friends from across the country stepping in to keep the movement moving forward so that people like Elizabeth Kleckner, Sam Spainer, Nathan McIntyre, Teva Feit can hear ideas that have otherwise been banished from campus. And maybe some ambitious 17 year old watching will even feel called to dedicate himself to advancing the next great American movement. Trip Planner by Expedia. You were made to outdo your holiday. You're hammocking.

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