"Debunking Black History Month" YES or NO: John Doyle

Summary

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The Michael Knowles Show

Episode: "Debunking Black History Month" YES or NO: John Doyle
Date: March 1, 2026
Guest: John Doyle

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Episode Overview

In this lively and combative installment of The Michael Knowles Show, Michael is joined by John Doyle (The Blaze) for an extended round of their recurring game, "Yes or No." This episode uses the game's format as a vehicle for a spirited, sometimes irreverent discussion about politics, culture, Black History Month, 'conservative civil war,' marriage, guns, masculinity, and the value of myth and narrative in American life. The centerpiece: Doyle's controversial series "debunking" Black History Month. The hosts probe foundational topics about identity, social order, political division, and American myth-making, all wrapped in sarcasm, inside jokes, and the trading of barbed but erudite commentary.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Introduction and Format Setup

• [00:56-02:19]: Michael establishes the drinking-game structure of the episode. The hosts agree to a wager involving martinis and Tom Collinses, poking fun at the masculinity or "fruitiness" of various drinks.
• Light banter sets up the playful yet combative tone, reflecting their camaraderie and willingness to rib one another.

Memorable moment:
“People have this misunderstanding. They think a martini is like a girly drink or something. This is the stiffest drink you can have properly made.” — Michael Knowles [02:19]

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2. Origins & Black History Month "Debunked"

• [04:22-06:13]: Knowles asks Doyle about being an “expert on black people” (intentionally quoting the provocative wording of the game’s prompt). This launches a discussion of Doyle’s Black History Month video series aimed at "debunking" what he calls myths and propaganda.
• Doyle criticizes what he sees as a fabricated narrative of Black History, shaped by liberal and communist influences to create secular "saints" and divide Americans rather than unify them.
• Both agree the popular conception of Black History is a product of propaganda.

“We thought we’d go through the entire gauntlet… there’s just a lot of stuff that’s just plainly untrue about certain inventions that they claim. Periods of history that even many conservatives think are things to admire or revere, which are just false.” — John Doyle [04:57]

“It’s made up of these secular saints…the supposed innocence of Rosa Parks or something like that. And a lot of it is just contrived.” — Michael Knowles [05:54]

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3. The Mythologizing of American History and Its Dangers

• [06:13-06:23]: Doyle argues that this myth-making is politically weaponized to “uproot American history and divide people,” serving what he half-jokingly calls “gay race communism.”
• Knowles suggests much of the "black history" narrative is rooted in communist activism from the 1960s.

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4. Marriage, Law, and Prenups

• [06:39-10:00]: Discussing whether young men should marry without prenups, Knowles comes out strongly anti-prenup, seeing it as undermining the true commitment of marriage. He advocates a prenup where "whoever files for divorce, forfeits everything."
• Doyle, aligning with Catholic teaching, agrees but cautions his advice may differ based on audience ("every man in America" vs. his more religious viewers).
• Both acknowledge the difficulties posed by modern divorce law but maintain that true marital commitment is essential.

"You're signing up for an exit ramp, basically. However, if forced...the Knowles prenup is simple: whoever dissolves the marriage forfeits everything." — Michael Knowles [06:56]

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5. Guns, Gun Control, and Finding Common Ground

• [13:01-17:47]: Reflecting on taking liberal friends to a gun range, Doyle concludes it doesn’t really build lasting common ground, as most liberals won’t change key beliefs after such experiences.
• Knowles adds that liberals' ideas about guns are often rooted in fantasy (e.g., "just shoot the gun out of his hand"), and that true agreement would require getting down to philosophical first principles—a task that's almost impossible across worldviews.

"I find it to be almost an exercise in vanity or entertainment...at this point, I just don't know that that's possible. Not to say we shouldn't try, but me in my old state, I just don't know if we can." — John Doyle [15:01]

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6. Culture War: Abortion, Down Syndrome, and the Value of Life

• [19:47-20:44]: In a more serious reflection, Knowles and Doyle analyze contemporary attitudes toward abortion, eugenics, and the value of lives with Down syndrome, blasting liberal “fetishization of political autonomy” and narcissism that treats children as "accessories."

"It also gets down to really base assumptions about what life is—just consciousness, or the ability to have a career, or make money...you say, no, it's really not, ultimately." — Michael Knowles [19:58]

"If they find out their child is going to have Down syndrome or something...this is like, if I wanted a defective handbag...which is a completely disgusting way to view life." — John Doyle [20:12]

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7. The Black History Month “Debunking”—Case Studies

• [20:53-24:48]: Doyle relays statistics showing that black soldiers in WWII were mostly assigned to non-combat roles and that casualties were lower than among Japanese-American soldiers, challenging the way black military achievement is presented in mainstream Black History Month narratives.
• Both point out that mythologizing in history should have roots in reality; otherwise, it does social harm.

"If you want to tell the story of black success in America, you ultimately have to tell the story of America. But they don't want to have that conversation...so they have to try to carve out their own mythologies." — John Doyle [23:03]

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8. Conservative Civil War?

• [24:48-33:46]: Knowles and Doyle address the trope of a “conservative civil war,” dismissing it as largely manufactured drama by online personalities and opposition media.
• Doyle attributes much of the online infighting to vanity, an addiction to drama, or bitterness from those not included in coalition politics.
• Knowles draws a distinction between sincere ideologues (libertarians, e.g., Dave Smith; leftists, e.g., Glenn Greenwald) and contrarian or drama-chasing online personalities.

"There is no conservative civil war. It’s just that half the supposedly based commentators out there were never actually conservatives to begin with."— Michael Knowles [24:48, paraphrasing the prompt]

"They're playing with action figures. That's all it is." — John Doyle [25:18]

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9. Top Policy Priorities: Pornography vs. Immigration

• [35:02-39:39]: In a pointed exchange, they debate which is a more urgent problem: mass illegal immigration or pornography. Both agree (albeit after "giving porn its due") that immigration is more urgent as everything else—including changes in cultural norms or even porn trends—are downstream of who actually composes the nation.

"You can't have a good country if you don't have people practicing virtue...But immigration, you have a breakdown of law and order and the political community that is so grievous that it demands attention first." — Michael Knowles [38:04]

Doyle notes: even current porn trends are shaped by demand from third world immigrants ("categories...catering to these mass Third World audiences"). [35:57-36:41]

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10. Masculinity, Looksmaxxing, and Internet Drama

• [42:41-46:44]: In a light, satirical segment (“LooksMaxxing”), Knowles and Doyle mock online masculinity gurus obsessed with physical appearance. They argue confidence, skill, and ambition matter more than looks for young men.
• The pitfalls of internet "e-drama" and the toxicity of constant online engagement are discussed, concluding that avoiding distractions is key to real success.

“You actually have to have some kind of skill or ambition or purpose which makes you feel like you are making the right moves. And then all the other stuff will sort of fall into place naturally, I think.” — John Doyle [44:21]

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11. Social Media, Privacy, and Trust in Marriage

• [51:38-52:56]: Addressing whether spouses should share social media logins, both say “no,” seeing such surveillance as a sign that “15 things have already gone wrong” in the relationship.
• They argue trust is foundational and tech is no substitute for healthy spousal dynamics.

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12. Demographic Stability vs. Economic Growth

• [54:51-58:14]: Both agree that demographic stability (i.e., strong national identity and social cohesion) must come before economic growth. Knowles notes that “a country is defined chiefly by the people in it,” while Doyle points out the false opposition—these are not incompatible goals if led well.
• Knowles surprises with a (positive) quote from Irving Kristol: “The three pillars of conservatism today are religion, nationalism and economic growth.”

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13. Regulation of AI

• [58:36-61:15]: Both strongly favor strict regulation of AI companies, treating them “like nuclear labs,” to protect the common good, while also acknowledging the challenges if regulators themselves are captured by bad actors.

"This is something that has a great deal to say about the political order and that really comes into questions about the common good. If we don't have something to say about that, who does?" — Michael Knowles [60:04]

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14. Closing Banter and Final Thoughts

• [61:25-66:45]: Doyle wins the episode; as per the bet, drinks a double Tom Collins at rapid speed. The show wraps with jokes about conservative media’s drinking culture, thoughts on Black History Month and the "mythology" promoted around figures like Malcolm X, and a final dose of self-mockery and camaraderie.

“You are a man of your word. And you slammed the double Tom Collins in shocking speed.” — Michael Knowles [66:13]

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “It's all just a creation of propaganda which serves to uproot American history and divide people and lead us into accepting what is referred to on Twitter as gay race communism.” — John Doyle [06:13]
• “If you're checking your spouse's Instagram DMs, like 15 things have already gone wrong that you should address. I don't like it.” — Michael Knowles [52:11]
• “There is no conservative civil war beyond what you're seeing online. Everything is going swimmingly. So do not black pill, do not be disheartened by this.” — John Doyle [26:39]
• “I think we're doing very well. And this is all just nonsense. The people who run the psyops...they make a very handsome living. They do not just go away.” — John Doyle [26:54]
• “You're not going to get young guys to stop voting for Trump by 40 points... But what you can do... is making them disengage from the political process... Maybe we can get you to say, I'm actually too based for Trump.” — John Doyle [27:49]
• “It is high School Never Ends by Bowling for Soup. I have read thousands and of thousands, thousands and thousands of pages of toilet paper books that will be forgotten by time. High School Never Ends by Bowling for Soup is the most profound social commentary possibly ever.” — John Doyle [49:54]

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Important Timestamps

• [04:47] — Doyle on “debunking” Black History Month
• [06:56] — Knowles’s “anti-prenup” stance
• [15:01] — Doyle on the futility of reaching the Left via gun range outings
• [23:03] — Doyle on myth-making and Black achievement
• [25:18] — Doyle: “They're playing with action figures. That's all it is.”
• [38:04] — Knowles: Immigration as the paramount issue
• [44:21] — Doyle: The real foundations of self-confidence and masculinity
• [52:11] — Knowles: On trust, marriage, and social media
• [58:14] — Knowles quoting Irving Kristol on conservatism's three pillars
• [60:04] — Knowles: AI, political order, and regulation
• [66:13] — Knowles to Doyle: "You are a man of your word. And you slammed the double Tom Collins in shocking speed."

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Tone & Style

• Witty, irreverent, and combative, blending humorous jabs with ideological conviction.
• Camaraderie amidst sharp debate—Doyle and Knowles agree on large philosophical questions but are willing to press each other on means and priorities.
• Heavy on meta-commentary about their own movement and media world—unafraid to dissect right-wing personalities, strategies, and [online] "high school" drama.
• Occasional dark or provocative humor, especially regarding modern sexual and racial politics.

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Takeaways

• Myth and narrative: American history (especially Black History Month) has become heavily mythologized; the hosts urge for myth that serves unity and is rooted in truth—otherwise, it breeds division.
• Marriage and virtue: Cultural and political decay (pornography, divorce, et al.) are seen as downstream from foundational issues of virtue and identity.
• Media & e-drama: Online ideological drama is amplified for clicks and ego; real unity on the right is stronger than external coverage suggests.
• America as a nation, not a market: Demography, social order, and national identity are prioritized above economic growth or libertarian ideals.
• Regulation where it matters: Technology (AI) and information are no longer luxuries, but central to “the common good,” requiring deliberate political direction.

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For more: Listen to the full episode (sans ads) for further banter, specifics, and the fast-paced game structure that highlights both agreement and lively disagreement.

Transcript

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[John Doyle]

I actually dated a girl one time who was liberal and we got into it about the trans stuff and I told her what I thought and she started laughing at me. And she produced a photo of herself as a toddler and it looked exactly like a little boy. And I have never genuinely been more scared of my life. I thought I was going to have to kill her.

[Producer/Assistant]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Welcome to yes or no, the bibulous battle to discover who knows whom better. My guest today is John Doyle. How do we play? I will ask John a yes or no question. He will select his answer away from my prying eyes. Then I will guess how he answered. If I guess correctly, I get a point. If I guess incorrectly, I lose a point. No matter what, I will probably end up drinking. Then it's John's turn. Neither of us has seen the questions beforehand. Whoever has the most points at the end wins. The stakes could be higher. We going to make a little wager? Mr. Doyle, thank you for being here.

[John Doyle]

I'll make a wager. Thank you for having me.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, what's your wager?

[John Doyle]

If I have more points than you by the end of this, you have to drink two of those martinis within a 10 minute time period.

[Michael Knowles]

Wow, that's brutal. That's taken me.

[John Doyle]

What do you want to do? You want to half measure?

[Michael Knowles]

No, I haven't drunk that heavily in days, so. Okay. All right, all right, fine. Fair enough. Maybe we'll even film it when I do it. Maybe I'll do it before my show tomorrow.

[John Doyle]

I think we should.

[Michael Knowles]

And then if you lose, if I win, you. All right, well, you know what? We'll make it even. Then you have to slam two of those fruity little things that you got right there. That's not a martini.

[John Doyle]

It's not a martini. I was told actually, because of the fruity implication, I was not allowed to join you in having a gin martini.

[Michael Knowles]

That's crazy. People have this misunderstanding. They think that the martini is Like a girly drink or something. This is the stiffest drink you can have properly made. There's like a hint of a whisper of an essence of vermouth, and it's just cold gin with some olives in it.

[John Doyle]

Oftentimes when I'm in public and I hear people accusing you of being fruity because of your drink choice, I always refer them instead to things like your intro and. My intro. Yes. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

It's not even in the top 20 now. What are you drinking?

[John Doyle]

This is a Tom Collins. So that's just gin, I think. Some club soda, some lemon.

[Michael Knowles]

Tom Collins is a nice, good old WASP drink, right?

[John Doyle]

I love a good Tom Collins. That's me. A white Anglo Saxon Papist.

[Michael Knowles]

Yes. A WASP like Bill Buckley. Yes. Do you know, speaking of who knows whom better, do you remember where we met?

[John Doyle]

Yes, I do.

[Michael Knowles]

I do remember it. Do you?

[John Doyle]

Yes, I do.

[Michael Knowles]

Where did we meet?

[John Doyle]

That was at Matt Walsh's pro Life rally outside of the Planned Parenthood in Pennsylvania.

[Michael Knowles]

That's right.

[John Doyle]

And that was May, perhaps 2019. And I was wearing the Brett Kavanaugh still like beer.

[Michael Knowles]

He remembers.

[John Doyle]

Oh, yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

I remember this. Cause I go, the Walshes. It wasn't just Matt. I think Alyssa was involved in putting this on, too. They were gonna do a big protest cause of this lunatic state representative or something at a Planned Parenthood. And I said, oh, I'll go out for that. That's good. And I'm walking around and I see this kid there. You were then kind of unknown.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

And now you got your show at the Blaze. You're a big deal.

[John Doyle]

That's right.

[Michael Knowles]

But at the time, you were kind of unknown. And I looked and I said, you have. I have that shirt. And it was just Brett Kavanaugh at his confirmation hearing. And the three words, a still like beer. I said, I like this guy.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. I remember you got into a Twitter spat with Alexandria Castrella Cortez. And to add insult to injury, you had a photo taken of you, and you were wearing just, like, college Republican, like, pajama pants. You had a glass of red wine, and you were wearing the Brett Kavanaugh still like beer shirt. I was like, this is what I aspired to be.

[Michael Knowles]

Yes.

[John Doyle]

That's why I ordered it.

[Michael Knowles]

I was on vacation. It was me, my wife and his wife. And I was like, I think AOC is picking a fight with me right now as we're sort of having our nice little aperitif. Okay. You understand the rules?

[John Doyle]

I believe so.

[Michael Knowles]

All right. That's one of Us?

[John Doyle]

Let's find out.

[Michael Knowles]

I will go first. Do you consider yourself an expert on black people? And this is. I gotta answer. You put your answer what you would say about yourself. And now I have to answer how you would answer. Cheers. Cheers. We can just drink now. Chin chin. You do. You do. And I noticed this because you have an amazing series.

[John Doyle]

That's right.

[Michael Knowles]

For Black History Month, where you decided you were gonna debunk what is known as black history.

[John Doyle]

That's right, yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

What did you find?

[John Doyle]

Well, not a whole lot there, I guess. I mean, there's just a lot of stuff that's just plainly untrue about certain inventions that they claim. Periods of history that even many conservatives think are things to admire or revere, which are just false. And so, yeah, we thought we'd go through the entire gauntlet. And I think we're on day 14 or 15 right now. We're a couple days behind again, being culturally respectful. We didn't wanna be completely punctual in our releasing of these videos. And, yeah, I do claim myself to be a sort of expert on the black people whom I love dearly. And it's because I grew up in Detroit, around them, and I just understand kind of how their culture functions in a way that many white liberals who accuse me of racism simply don't.

[Michael Knowles]

Cause there's a thing. It's not even the history of black people or the history that involves black people, of which many histories partake. There is this thing, capital B, capital H, it gets shoved down your throat by all the liberals in February, black history, as though it's this alien thing from the rest of history.

[John Doyle]

Right.

[Michael Knowles]

And it's made up of these very secular saints, the supposed innocence of Rosa Parks or something like that. And a lot of it is just contrived.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, yeah. It's your Rosa Parks, your Harriet Tubmans. I mean, literally all of these people, they exist as these kind of, like

[Michael Knowles]

you said, this mythological figure, legendary sort of figures. Yes.

[John Doyle]

And that is entirely just a creation of propaganda which serves to uproot American history and divide people and lead us into accepting what is referred to on Twitter as gay race communism.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Right. Well, in this, for the. A lot of the black history stuff, it actually was promoted by, like, literal communists.

[John Doyle]

Yes.

[Michael Knowles]

In the 60s. Yeah. Okay.

[John Doyle]

All right.

[Michael Knowles]

I don't want to jump any other questions. You go, I'll clear my answer.

[John Doyle]

In the current legal system, would you advise all young men to get married without any additional prenuptial agreements?

[Michael Knowles]

I gotta give my answer. You got it correct. But. There's a big but.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

So, yes, I'm anti prenup, even though the system is horrifically stacked against marriage now because of no fault divorce and feminism and all the rest of it. I don't like the prenups because I think it undermines the sacrament of marriage. You're signing up for an exit ramp, basically. However, if one were forced gunned to one's head to have a prenup, I have the Knowles prenup. Noles prenup is simple. One line. Whoever dissolves the marriage forfeits everything. Whoever moves for the divorce first forfeits everything. I think that would be the kind of prenup that it's like the anti prenup in that the prenups exist to undermine the marriage.

[John Doyle]

Sure.

[Michael Knowles]

This one, it's like, you know, prisoner's dilemma or something. Right. It's like whoever moves first loses it. All right.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. No, I think that's a good way to counter the incentive to move in that direction if you want half of somebody's nest egg or what have you. I have to agree with you because I am Catholic. However, I always try to keep in mind which audience I'm speaking to. And so if I'm speaking to an audience of just like every man in America, my advice is gonna be a little bit less applicable than if I'm speaking to my audience where it's like, I'm probably selecting just by nature of the content that we're making, the things we talk about for a higher quality of young man who's pursuing a higher quality of young. In that instance, I could understand why he may be viewing like red pill content and getting himself all worked up and paranoid. But it is probably the case that if you're being very careful about who it is you choose to marry, that those concerns are going to be less what they would be for the general population, marrying general population women. Not to say that conservative women are angels by any stretch of the imagination. However, there have been some high profile

[Michael Knowles]

incidents that have created problems.

[John Doyle]

That is a diplomatic way to put it.

[Michael Knowles]

Yes. Now, there's two sides to this one. Yeah. Okay, so you're saying to my audience, which gets it. I give some advice, but that might not be totally applicable to. However, I would say I would not encourage any man to sign up prenup because I think that action is wrong per se. And so I would never encourage a bad thing for people. I wouldn't make some moral concession or equivocation for one group. I would say, no, no, you just have to, obviously, you have to order your marriage toward the right thing. Part of that is picking the right girl.

[John Doyle]

Sure.

[Michael Knowles]

Part of that is leading your wife in a way so that you're, you know, moving forward together in a good way.

[John Doyle]

I totally agree with that. The only reason I bring that up is to say that when I say this, sometimes I get yelled at by people or, like, how could you say this? Haven't you seen, like, what Andrew Tate is? I'm like, I am not talking to guys who are watching. You would never agree with what I'm saying anyway. And at a certain point, I try not to be the catcher in the rye where I'm standing out in the rye trying to prevent stupid people from, like, sprinting off a cliff. Like, I would prefer to talk to people who I think are maybe a little bit smarter.

[Michael Knowles]

A little bit.

[John Doyle]

And so I totally agree. I would not advise any guy to get into that kind of situation where you are conceding the possibility of it not working out. At which point, why would you even.

[Michael Knowles]

But there is this tough thing now. I mean, you even hear it's very rare, but even with the most hardcore traditionalist TLM attending Catholic, you know, even their marriages dissolve. Or you think of the groups that have much higher marriage rates, like Orthodox Jews, Mormons, you know, depends on how you cut it, because there's so many flavors of Protestantism. But some are much more likely to be hardcore about marriage than others. But you still have this political fact of a legal system that creates all these inducements to dissolve a marriage. And you think, well, okay, you do have to grapple with that. Like, I guess the men going their own way answer is individualist, liberal in its own way, which is, well, I'm out. But I guess my answer being a proper, I guess they would say authoritarian or something is, well, you need a political solution. A lot of people don't know this divorce as we know it is very novel. Within the last half century or so, New York didn't legalize no fault divorce until like 2011 or something. It's very, very recent. But good luck talking to the national Republican platform and says, we're gonna run against divorce, we're gonna tighten up the divor. Even the hardcore GOP politicians, they won't openly run on that.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, I mean, insofar as the conversation occurs at scale, we hear a lot of talk about men needing to marry up and get married from these kind of maybe more feminist type conservatives, but very little attention is paid to doing away with the privileges. I guess you would say that women have gotten from these kinds of. These feminist movements, which have enabled them to have more freedom to maneuver within relationships. So they want to have their cake and eat it, too. Where it's like, men must marry up and man up and marry me. However, also, if I decide I don't like this, I'm free to leave at any point.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, yeah. And the irony of it is you say it's a privilege for women, but it ends up ruining their lives, and they end up being all miserable. It's that kind of thing of like, you know, a feminist will say, you don't like abortion because you want to control women's bodies. And then the kind of squishy guy, maybe feminist, sounding conservative, says, I don't want to control your bodies. And I guess my answer is, I'm willing to control your body. Like, in the sense that that's not what I'm chiefly after. I just don't want you to kill your kid, and I don't want us to slaughter babies. But I'll be blunt about it. I'm willing to have the law control people's bodies, and the law controls all of our bodies. I can't shoot heroin right now in most states. I can't. You know, like, I can't drive 100 miles an hour on the road home. I can't. Like, yes, the law imposes restrictions on our bodies. It especially does that to women in this case of abortion. But it's just. You can't kill your kid. Like, yes, I guess that's a restriction on you. But biology and reality and the law impose restrictions on us.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, yeah. And that's the nature of it. And it is such a dishonest framing, too, because they're trying to. Gotcha. Like, so you're saying you want to. It's like, that's gonna make me look bad for saying that, but, I mean, why don't you look bad for suggesting that you should have this kind of political autonomy? So it's just totally distorted and disordered.

[Michael Knowles]

I have to go to work to pay my mortgage. That controls my body. Okay, I'm clearing my answer before I say this prompt. We have to watch this video.

[John Doyle]

Yes. That is the most controversial weapon in the country right now. It's controversial because I've seen the damage it done. I've seen X rays of bones shattered like fire glass dealt with these.

[Producer/Assistant]

Are we shooting these actual guns?

[John Doyle]

Yep. Hit that.

[Michael Knowles]

There you go.

[John Doyle]

Was it scary?

[Producer/Assistant]

It was a. I was a little. I was a little freaked out because

[John Doyle]

it made a big noise.

[Producer/Assistant]

It did make a big noise. I walked in because I've never been to a shooting range or anything before. I was walking in through the hallway, and I, like, heard the gunshots. I was like, oh, that's not too bad. And then the door opened. It was like. I was a lot. It was a lot louder than I thought it was gonna be.

[John Doyle]

Do you know why?

[Producer/Assistant]

Well, because it's like a little explosion when you try to shoot the gun.

[John Doyle]

That is what's happening. It explodes.

[Producer/Assistant]

It does explode.

[Michael Knowles]

Has your perspective changed at all on guns or gun control?

[John Doyle]

No. F gun owners, honestly,

[Michael Knowles]

is taking libs to the gun range more effective in finding common ground with libs than an evening with cigars? Would you say finding common ground with libs, would you say? You would say no, correct? Yeah. Why?

[John Doyle]

Well, you must understand those libs in particular were friends of mine from high school, which in that same summer of 2019, when I was, you know, getting my stuff off the ground, I was like, hey, do you guys want to go shoot guns? I'm trying to make content on the Internet where we shoot guns. And so we went. And these were good people. I mean, they are maintaining a liberal disposition, but I knew that they were good people. I knew that they would go to a gun range with me, whereas most liberals would think that I'm, like, an insane, crazy person.

[Michael Knowles]

Are they still your friends? Two.

[John Doyle]

One and a half.

[Michael Knowles]

Would they say they're still your. Maybe.

[John Doyle]

One.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. All right.

[John Doyle]

They're very fine people. They're wonderful.

[Michael Knowles]

They're very fine people. That's what Trump said about Nazis at Charlottesville. I'm reliable.

[John Doyle]

That's not true.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, he didn't say that.

[John Doyle]

The point being, nowadays, frankly, I don't know if I would be comfortable going to a gun range with liberals, given the way that they're insane. And so I would almost prefer to be in a nice, controlled environment like a cigar lounge, where any damage that's being done is them to their own bodies, which liberals famously enjoy doing. So I would almost do that. And frankly, I'm very jaded in my old age when it comes to discoursing with these people. I find it to be almost an exercise in vanity or entertainment. Like, I will accept a fee, and I will go debate someone on a college campus. But in terms of actually believing I can reach people at this point, I just don't know that that's possible. Not to say we shouldn't try, but me in my old state, I just don't know if we Can.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, you might. The gun introduction might reach some common ground, but not in the way a lot of people think. Like, a lot of people think you're gonna take them there and be like, this is awesome. I like guns. Now, that's not really what happens. More of what happens is that where they say, this is even scarier than I thought it was. Now you can find common ground, I think, in that when they shoot the gun, it disabuses them of some of their Marvel movie notions.

[John Doyle]

Sure.

[Michael Knowles]

Why didn't the cop just shoot the criminal in the leg or whatever? Why didn't he shoot the gun out of his hand? Or, you know, like, you realize, no, there's an explosion that's happening in a piece of metal that I'm holding. But you can find. I find with the cigars, one, they don't like tobacco because they want to have the devil's lettuce instead. Yes, fine.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

But cigars are great because it's not a vice, but it seems like a vice. Cigars are not a vice in my view, but it kind of seems like it is. So it allows them to let their guard down. You can try to speak. I'm not quite as jaded as you are about this, in that I think it takes a lot of work. It takes a lot of work, peeling back that onion to try to get to any cause. You have to get down to the level of religion, and it's inescapable. You have to get down to, okay, you and I don't even agree on what a human being is. We don't even agree on what a man is or what a woman is or what a baby is. So you have to get down to this level of. Below morality, below anthropology, below epistemology, like, below ontology. We can't even really agree on what it is to be because they're like, we live in a simulation, man. And the aliens are going to come with their technology. So you have to go even deeper than that, and you have to kind of ask, okay, like, what is. Where does being come from? Sure. What is that? And so you're all the way down at the level of first principles that, like, you thought you were going to find common ground on the Second Amendment. It's like, you actually have to get down to, like, okay, what is the relationship between being and existence? You have to get so basic, and you probably won't come to common ground, but you might get them to think a little bit. Yeah, maybe. Or maybe not.

[John Doyle]

They get annoyed with this, too, because I'M sure you've had this experience where you can tell them something to the effect of, hey, I can actually guess your opinion about literally any topic. And they're like, no, you can't. And then you actually can because you understand from where it is all being derived. And they are annoyed by this because they fancy themselves as very individualist types, very educated, well read. This is of course not the case, but I find that the issue of the Second Amendment, for example, they may even concede, like, okay, this isn't as scary as I thought, but these are people who, if presented with facts about who is actually committing gun violence, who is actually perpetrating very recent mass shootings, they would either reject them outright, question the source, which is to say, I need to give myself permission to not believe you, or most commonly they'll say, well, I just need to do more research, which again says, I don't believe you. This is simply a fault of me not having prepared to explain why I am so correct. Quite often they just want to exit the conversation and they'll go, still vote Democrat. Which even if they're Democrat voters who maybe are more moderates on the second Amendment two party system, I mean, everything else that's evil and wrong about the world, they're more or less aligning themselves with. If not for this one issue that we've reached common ground on. And then two, it's like, if you're going to tell me that what the Democrat national platform is, not even the crazy radicals from the 60s like current policy, if that is a closer approximation to how you want the world to look like, then common sense, like, hey, maybe we should have a border and not just like, I don't know, have American soldiers die for feminism in Pakistan, like those kinds. I just, I don't know if on my deathbed I will not spend more time wishing I had spoken to the retarded. And so I understand that it is our job to a certain extent to reach people, but I might actually, on

[Michael Knowles]

my deathbed I might wish I had spent more time speaking to like literally retarded people.

[John Doyle]

That's right. Like charity.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, right. And just like actually learning from people who have, but from people who are just politically obtuse or unreachable, I'd say, yeah, I won't have wished I had more Twitter fights.

[John Doyle]

Frankly. Like Shane Gillis says, they're much more pleasant to speak to literally retarded people. Yes, yeah, certainly. Whereas like liberals are always like bitter and angry about something, whereas, you know, you speak to like People with Down syndrome, they're just, like, having a great time all the time. And it's something to aspire to and.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, and it's those people that the libs are trying to kill and boast about killing.

[John Doyle]

Literally. Misery loves company. They are threatened by the fact that they can enjoy life.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, right, right. Yeah. It also gets down to, like, really base assumptions about what life is. It's just consciousness, or it's the ability to have a career or it's, like, to make money, money, money or something. You say, no, it's really not, ultimately.

[John Doyle]

But because they're narcissists, like, insofar as they're even having children, they view that to be an extension of themselves. It's like a Barbie doll or something. And so that's why they're all, like, secretly eugenicists, too, the ones who are using these embryo websites and everything. So, yeah, if they find out that their child is going to have down syndrome or something, they view that not to be, like, still my child. This is just now an. This is like, if I wanted a defective handbag. Yes. I wanted this for my birthday. Instead I got, like, the knockoff version, which is a completely disgusting way to view life. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

And they say, I'll return it. Yep. There are actually, like, lawsuits about that from IVF companies and. Yes. Yeah, it is.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

You're jading me more even on conversing with the libs.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Anyway, you're up.

[John Doyle]

We have to watch a video first. Did I do that right?

[Michael Knowles]

It was well done.

[John Doyle]

Oh, thank you. We're just like, evil. The Tuskegee Airmen, right? The best pilots of the war, they get. Netflix shows all that. Black women delivering mail better than everybody else. What was the actual black service record in World War II, though? It was not very Hollywood. First off, America had 1.2 million black soldiers, of which only 708 actually died in war because they were almost entirely kept from combat. This is because their scores on the Army General Classification Test, which was given to everyone, were lower on average. And so they were instead often assigned to things like labor units rather than combat units. I guess tests have always been racist. For comparison, we only had 33,000 Japanese Americans involved in World War II, and they had 800 killed in action. Literally more people from the country we nuked twice died for America. Where's their Netflix program? The Japanese, truly our greatest ally.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, you know, I didn't. I actually didn't know that.

[John Doyle]

Can I get a point?

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[John Doyle]

The question was, did you know that the Tuskegee Airmen story is as fake as Wakanda.

[Michael Knowles]

Well, now I kinda wanna get the points, but I don't wanna be a liar.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. So I guess, you know what? To be honest, I assume that you did know that, and so you're gonna,

[Michael Knowles]

out of charity, wish that I hadn't screwed up my own game. Okay. No, I didn't, because. Well, so look, the lib argument would be, this is a great. That was the most charitable way to get a point ever in the history of this game. He didn't get the point. Now, the producers. No, because he assumed had I not blurted it out, that I would have known that I didn't know that. And what the libs would say then, like before the second part of your video, the libs would say, well, yeah, they were kept from combat. They were kept from these glorious roles because they were underestimated and it was segregation. And actually, it would have been better. We hated them so much, we wouldn't let them go die in combat. Yes. But then the second part is. Well, hold on. Surely there was some prejudice against the Japanese in America after Pearl harbor, but we did send them to combat. So is it. Which is. We were so prejudiced against the black people, we didn't let them fight in combat. And we were so prejudiced against the Japanese people, we made them fight in combat. And something's gotta give. One of those things came.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. Their cousins were, like, in internment camps, and we were like, hey, would you mind going and dying for our country, please? And they did at a higher rate per capita. So, yeah, it's just one of those things. It's the mythology that's constructed because if you want to tell the story of black success in America, you ultimately have to tell the story of America. But they don't want to have that conversation or story, and so they have to try to carve out their own, whether it's in mythology, national anthems, independence days. It's just completely nonsensical.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Cause there's something to myths. Like, I'm not anti myth. You want the myth to be related to reality. But mythos creates a whole picture and a civic program building on that. But if the myth is a lie, then you're gonna have downstream negative effects of that. Yeah. So do you. It's very tricky. Well, I guess it's similar to how one of the great black figures in American history is Booker Washington, Booker Tagliaferro, good Italian named Washington, who had this radically different program for black achievement in America than someone like a W.E.B. du Bois. And all the other socialists and people who said, no, we just need political revolution now. Booker Washington says no, we actually, we kind of have to build material, tangible wealth and improvement and institutions and that's how black people are gonna achieve in America. And then the socialists said, no, no, we just need to demand more regulations and laws and stuff. And Booker Washington is entirely written out of the official narrative of black history. Where he's not written out, he's condemned, he's sort of mocked, you know.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, yeah, they call them race traitors, Uncle Tom, what have you.

[Michael Knowles]

So I think it's anti Italian discrimination because Italia Ferris.

[John Doyle]

Because you're so close. Oh, I was gonna say because you're so close.

[Michael Knowles]

Because we're the black people of Europe.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, right.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, I'm up. Cleared answer. There is no conservative civil war. It's just that half the supposedly based commentators out there were never actually conservatives to begin with. What's your answer?

[John Doyle]

Did you mark?

[Michael Knowles]

Not yet. Your answer is gonna be yes. Yes, that's correct. That is correct. Yeah.

[John Doyle]

No, that is correct.

[Michael Knowles]

You gonna name names? Are we spilling tea here or. No, you're speaking generally.

[John Doyle]

Well, you know, as much as I would like to name names, there is. You call them the usual suspects. You can name names. The thing is, they want that because it's drama to them, it's content. It's all that it is less about, you know, embarking from first principles and actually having a discussion about how the world ought to be. I call these people sometimes, maybe reciprocal, where, you know, you'll have, like, if Trump says we have to do 110 degrees, they say, no, we actually. Or if Trump says we have to do 20 degrees, they'll say, no, we actually have to do like 1 6. So there is no answer that could ever satisfy these people. It is always simply, how can I be contrarian? How can I be edgy? And anything that Donald Trump does, they will pretend that they were denying that it ever could have happened. And then when it does happen, they say, well, this is insufficient. And again, it's all just like vanity for them. It is to say, nobody is holier than me. I am the most based and red pilled person ever because I want this to happen. They're playing with action figures. That's all it is. Like, if I were in charge, I would do this. And it's like, that's cool. I guess I can see why that's entertaining and maybe even funny. But I am trying to move the ball down the field so that I no longer have to worry so much about the state of my country. And so I just, I don't have an appetite for this kind of stuff. I don't have patience for this kind of stuff. And you notice too, the left is very hell bent on assuring everybody that this is in fact happening. The New York Times writes about it, the Atlantic writes about it. They want everybody to say, hey, there's this MAGA civil war. I know how you're demoralized and on suicide watch because you're losing so profoundly. However, things aren't looking so good in that camp that by all measures appears to be winning. They're having a civil war. And of course these people love that because they're like, see, look, we're effective, we have influence. You know, people in the White House, I know they are the laughingstock. They joke about. There is no civil war beyond what you're seeing online. Everything is going swimmingly. So do not black pill, do not be disheartened by this. So is there a civil war in the sense that it is personally annoying to me and my colleagues, of course. However, I'm not a selfish guy. Big picture, bird's eye. I think we're doing very well. And this is all just nonsense. The people who run the psyops, the people who are in charge of doing these, they make very handsome living. They do not just go away. After Trump took office, they relocated and they re strategized. And so that's all this is. They spent five seconds trying to get Harry Sisson to get young men to stop voting for Republicans and come back to Democrats. That clearly didn't work. Now they're trying to appeal to this sort of like based normal streamer class where it's like, hey, you've got this guy, he's really red pilled cuz he's saying all these memes that were funny like 10 years ago, but he's saying them now. But also he thinks it's really cool to not vote for Trump. It's like, like I can see what's happening here.

[Michael Knowles]

He's so based that he hates Trump and Vance and the entire White House and all the Republican senators.

[John Doyle]

Yes. He frequently allies with and cozies up to Democrats. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Like exclusively actually. And it like endorses Democrat candidates.

[John Doyle]

So like can we call a duck a duck here? I mean it is behaving like so. And that's the thing, you know, if you're a Democrat and you do have an IQ above like 115, which, let's just concede that. That is a possibility here. You're not going to get young guys to stop voting for Trump by 40 points. You're not gonna make that swing undone by simply saying, we need to do gay race communism better and put Harry Sisson's face on it. But what you can do if your end goal is not so much ideological, but just simply making them disengage from the political process, you can say, hey, you know what? I know you're not gonna stop voting for Trump because you're gonna sign up to Newsom or Kamala or whatever, but maybe we can get you to say, I'm actually too based for Trump.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, I'm too based to vote. I'm not gonna vote anymore.

[John Doyle]

Exactly.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. The reason that I would, if the question had been asked of me, my holdup would be, there's no conservative civil war. I basically agree with that. It's just that half the supposedly based commentators were never actually conservatives. The just is what gives me pause. Sure. Because I think there are actually nuances here within this class. You think of guys like Dave Smith, who I've been on panels and things with, or guys like Glenn Greenwald, who I've been on panels with, who I actually personally have gotten along with. I don't really have a personal issue with those guys. But you think, all right, Dave Smith is a libertarian. He's not a conservative, and he's a libertarian. And so the libertarians are like the libs of the right. They're sometimes on the right, but they often are with the left. A guy like Glenn Greenwald, he is a man of the left. He is thoroughly a man of the left. He just contradicts the left in some crucial moments. So great. I'm happy to have another vote or people trying to support us, but that's not reliable. Anyway, that's one group. Guys who really are not particularly conservative, who sometimes they're with us, but sometimes they'll revert and not be. Then you think of someone like Megyn Kelly. I really like Megan. Megan was much more liberal on issues like lgbt. Her views on trans have changed as more information's come in. So I think she has sincerely moved more to the right over the years. Sure. Which is different from the guys who just have ideological views that are kind of weird, that sometimes are with us and sometimes you're not. But then there's the class of the online conservatives where they say, there's this conservative civil war, but it's really. It's just a product of the babbling class. Yeah. It's not. I mean, we have never had a more unified conservative movement at the level of practical politics. Sure, we have. Trump has really unified this. Vance as the heir apparent is very, very strong. The clearest potential rival to Vance as the heir apparent is Marco Rubio. He said they were all on the same team. You know, Rubio has essentially endorsed Vance. Trump has endorsed both of them as a ticket. There's this unbelievable degree of practical unity from very, very serious guys. Yes, I saw this. You know, the vice President was very close with Charlie Kirk, a buddy, you know, and something I always admired with Charlie. And I was friends with Charlie for a very long time. He was a good debater. Yes, he was a great fundraiser. Yes, he was a good, great operator politically. But he had a coalitional sense that was second to none. He was better at it than Trump, actually. And with Charlie, he knew how to bring in people who kind of hate each other, but they would get along for a common purpose, and he knew who to exclude. And he did exclude some people, and he was very practical about it. And so a lot of the attacks on Charlie, or now attacks on tpusa, his family, but some of those attacks existed before Charlie was killed. And a lot of times it was just people who were excluded from tbusa, you know, it was people who. Charlie said, sorry, you're not on the team, and you think, okay, well, yeah, that's always existed. Would you call that a conservative civil war?

[John Doyle]

Sour grapes, maybe.

[Commercial Announcer]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

I don't know. It's just. That's kind of like a meta political issue. That's like guys fighting over the actual. But when you get to issues, immigration, even the economy, certainly the social issues, trans, abortion, they're all totally. The conservatives are united. And then when you get to the candidates, Trump, Vance, Vance and Rubio, you know, kind of working as a team, I see more unity than I've actually ever seen in my life on the

[John Doyle]

right, which is why they have to try so consistently to make you believe the opposite, because obviously they thrive in situations where we're not unified. They're extremely on the back foot right now, so much that Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. Clinton are being shopped around to talk about moderating their immigration plan, which of course they're not gonna do. But that was our thing for the last 10 years before Trump. In the latter half of the Obama administration, it was the conservative media's job to say, why can't we just talk it out? Which I agree with open dialogue. However, that is not language of strength. That is Language of please, just like, don't kill me, let's maybe.

[Michael Knowles]

And what they're saying now, all these Democrats are saying, you know, maybe we've gone a little far and we need to moderate. What they're saying in the same breath is Virginia's the model. Yeah, Virginia. In the recent election, Spanberger wins running as a moderate. The minute she gets into office, she passes one of the most or initiates one of the most radical platforms we've seen in any state, where she's saying, we're going to stop cooperating with ice, we're going to give voting rights to felons, we're gonna, you know, we're going soft on crime, just this. And so the model for them clearly is let's talk in a more moderate way, but let's keep up the gay race, communism, let's keep up the open borders radical stuff. I don't know that that plays well.

[John Doyle]

That's because they understand how media works and they understand that most people's experience with the news and what is happening is going to be based on words coming out of people's mouths. And so if they see their political class saying, no, we're gonna moderate, that may bring back some of the Dems who have been a little bit wary seeing where the country's going. And you see the same thing on the right where most people are experiencing what is happening based on if Trump says something. And so if Trump says, no, we're not gonna go after the people who are here just illegally. It's just the hard criminals. That's probably good messaging in the sense that it's the moderates who maybe not in love with seeing, like, the mass deportations. They can say, oh, okay, well, Trump says this. I agree with that. They go about their day. We as people who pay attention to this stuff, understand it's a little bit different. Obviously, we have patriots in charge of that. But for some reason, the people who supposedly know how the world works better than you or I are seeing those words come out of Trump's mouth, seeing that they don't square with what is actually happening. And instead of saying, okay, maybe I should align myself better with reality, they're saying, actually, Trump's words out of his mouth are what is really happening. What is happening on the ground is not what's happening.

[Michael Knowles]

Ignore what's really happening.

[John Doyle]

And the liberals freaking out about what is happening is also not happening. It's like, what are we doing?

[Michael Knowles]

What are we doing?

[John Doyle]

I have been advocating for a real form of re migration, which is getting these people out of politics. I want them to go back to sports betting and streaming services.

[Michael Knowles]

Re migration for the pundits.

[John Doyle]

Literally. Like, I feel badly for them, and it's my beautiful Christian heart where I see that they're just walking into walls all the time. They are frustrated and confused by what is going on. These are not people who are meant to pay attention to politics. These are people who are meant to be on streaming services playing video games, sports betting.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[John Doyle]

I feel like there are these animals who have wandered out of their natural habitat and I want to return them home because it's cruel to them. It's not fair to them to have

[Michael Knowles]

them send them back to the Bukele prison camp of commentary.

[John Doyle]

That's right.

[Michael Knowles]

Yes. That's pretty smart. You're up high. Clear.

[John Doyle]

All right. Should banning porn be a higher priority than deporting the illegals?

[Michael Knowles]

Correct. Why? Tell me.

[John Doyle]

Why shouldn't.

[Michael Knowles]

Why did I say that? Yes.

[John Doyle]

Because you're a smart guy.

[Michael Knowles]

But it's a big issue, you know, to give the porn point it's due. You can't have a good country if you don't have people practicing virtue. The fact that you have most American men and a lot of women, a growing number of women in a perpetual state of grave mortal sin, in a sin that is particularly inclined toward despair. Lust is one of the chief sins that inclines us toward despair. That has all sorts of negative effects on relationships and marriage and having kids and all this stuff. That is a grave problem. So why is the immigration issue even more urgent?

[John Doyle]

Well, because I think that all other issues are downstream from the immigration issue. Frankly, even I made this comment recently when we were taping an episode and my producer advised me that we should cut it. I was basically into the implications of immigration on actually, like, the pornography industry because you're seeing these weird trends where the type and like, the categories that are being produced are actually being produced such that it is catering to these mass third world audiences. And so I'll see these, like, white Catholic guys who are like, you know, it's these evil pornography producers who are trying to, like, make porn depicting, like, incest and all this other weird stuff. Whereas, you know, think about, like, the stereotypes of, I don't know, the 70s when it's on, like, VHS and it's like, oh, the secretary, like, very, like, vanilla stuff.

[Michael Knowles]

And they think the guy shows up in some grainy.

[John Doyle]

And so they look at this and they're like, they're trying to trick me into being sexually attracted to my Family members. The actual thing that's going on there is you are getting Internet access in places that have never had it before. And there are appetites in the third World for things like incest quite regularly, which people don't want to have that conversation. But, you know, you want to talk about the Epstein files and child abuse. It happens every single day in this country in these illegal alien communities, many of these immigrant communities. You talk to Hispanics, you talk to African American. This is commonplace. Not allowed to have sleepovers. They all have some odd experience with a relative. It happens all the time. Not a peep from the podcast class, which has so much to say about Epstein and child abuse. Not a peep. Because the solution to that is obvious. We need to get these people out of our country. Well, a lot of those people are also watching their content, so they don't want to step on toes. What can I do instead? Say, the most popular thing in the world, Trump is bad because he's enabling child abuse or something. It's like, give me a break. So do I think this is bad? Obviously, this question was asked because I've spent so much time covering why pornography is a cancer within society. However, I think that, first of all, practically speaking, we wouldn't have the capital to address that issue were it not for us shutting down immigration in general. And also, I really do believe that every issue that we discuss can in some way be informed by what is going on with immigration policy. Even things that may surprise you, like how the pornography industry has sort of adjusted itself to cater to very disgusting Third World practices, which otherwise would be completely alien in civilization and probably even get you killed.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, there's something that's a good way to put it. I was thinking of it more basically or tangibly, which is just. Your country is defined chiefly by the people in it. So, you know, abstract ideas are great, but you need people to embody those ideas. And at a basic level, if you can't control who comes in and out of your country, you have a breakdown of law and order and the political community that is so grievous that it demands attention first. And there are a lot of downstream effects of that. Totally. Also because over the course of American history, we've been tougher and less tough on sins of the flesh. You know, even St. Thomas Aquinas makes a good argument as to why you might not want to ban prostitution entirely immediately, because the society is at different degrees of virtue. So if you try the law as a teacher, you want to make the population more virtuous. But if you try to go too fast, too high, too fast, you might snap the people. They might end up worse than they were in the first place. This is why you have red light districts in different places. Pornography is that writ large to the social capital point. Immigration. The vast majority of Americans want to drastically reduce it and get rid of the illegals. That's how Trump won the popular vote. If you took a poll of most Americans, I don't know that you'd have the vast majority saying we should ban all of porn immediately. Yeah, I'd like to get to that point at some point, but we're not quite there yet. So. I agree, you got to focus on the tangible first, the things that most concretely affect your political order. You want to do a few things at once, but I agree, that's the urgent issue.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, yeah. Back to the commentary class. Using this as a vanity project. A lot of them are very happy to ignore all of those tangible issues, but they will get in front of a microphone and scream about the evils of porn and why we must ban it immediately. And it's like, again, are we playing with action figures or are we playing the political game? And so it's not so simple as waving a magic wand, unfortunately.

[Michael Knowles]

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[John Doyle]

I think so.

[Michael Knowles]

Is he drink? The producers tell me you're drink mogging. Me? Shoot. I gotta catch up. I'm like half drink mogging. I'm half in the. I mean, I don't know. That's what they said.

[John Doyle]

Sobermaxing. That's cringe.

[Michael Knowles]

They're like cringe millennials who are trying to like lingo Max because of taking the.

[John Doyle]

They're age insecure.

[Michael Knowles]

They're age insecure. Yeah. They. I'm a not hip millennial. Right now we're getting into the rapid fire round. Three questions, 30 seconds. No time to outthink each other. You ready? Mm. Wow. This is like the most unbelievable inadvertent transition ever. Does Gavin Newsom, per Mr. Clavicular Mog JD Vance. No. Oh, well, that was great. You gotta put your answer in there. This guy. But I got that point.

[John Doyle]

That's right.

[Michael Knowles]

Is it okay for grown men to spend time playing video games? You gotta clear your answer and then give your other answer. You say yes, that's right.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

It is a little bit of time in order to be the most effective at delivering our messages as political commentators should conservative commentators all strive to LooksMax in 2026? No, that's right. Correct.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

You shouldn't. I mean, you should look appropriate, but you should not.

[John Doyle]

You're not gonna hit yourself in the face with a hammer.

[Michael Knowles]

Don't hit yourself. Don't do math. Don't hit yourself in the head with a hammer. And don't, don't fall into vanity. Because I actually, I enjoyed chatting with our former guest, Mr. Ikular. But he's gone very wrong on a lot of ways. I mean, he hits himself in the head with a hammer. And the thing is, it falls into a form of vanity that becomes like the right wing version of trans, you know, like a hyper real version of masculinity. And like the trans people go into a hyper real form of femininity and it's. It is gay. It is ultimately gay. Like, I'm not calling him gay because he's a confused young guy in many ways, but you shouldn't do it.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, no, that's absolutely right. There are a Lot of guys who just want to reverse engineer the sort of outcome and they as an excuse to not just like go out there and I don't know, talk to a girl and be normal. They tell themselves, well, first I have to strike myself in the face with a hammer and I have to do xyz, do meth even, and then I will finally, maybe even get a nose job, finally have the ability to go out and talk to a girl. And then you know, these people and they do all those steps and then they actually never do develop that because the confidence isn't there. You know, they try to supplement that with all these bizarre rituals and maybe it's even entertaining watching people destroy themselves on the Internet. But it ultimately does not achieve the end which they would claim that they are seeking in the first place.

[Michael Knowles]

So then how do you do it? How does a guy. Because people say how do I pick up a girl? And you know, worked out for me. And when I was single I, you know, I kind of enjoyed talking to girls and I. Cause I'm part Italian, I don't know what it is, but I'm not some hulking Adonis. What is it? Well, women like a bit of confidence. So then the guy says, how can I be confident? You say you gotta just be confident. And it's not a good answer.

[John Doyle]

No, you have to actually be good at something. And that's the thing is once you actually find what you are good at and you lean into that, you find a way to monetize it, you will develop a kind of irrational self confidence, which on paper women will tell you they hate. They really don't. They actually enjoy that, they prefer it even. And so yeah, you can't just say, hey man, just be confident and then give yourself a pep talk in the mirror or something. You actually have to have some kind of like skill or ambition or purpose which makes you feel like you are making the right moves. And then all the other stuff will sort of fall into place naturally, I think. But yeah, I'm not surprised that guys who are binge watching these kinds of streamers or doing nothing else productive with their lives or scratching their heads like why is this not working? Why do I not feel a sense of confidence? It's like you haven't earned it.

[Michael Knowles]

The other thing is women don't actually care about looks that much. I'm not saying if they had some gigachad or something fat ugly guy, they would take the gigachad, but they don't. They're not as visual in their attractions as men are. Men are very visually attracted for women. It's other stuff. That's why, like, kind of schlubby looking guys, if they're funny or if they. I don't know if they just have something, they can get the hot chick much more than the gal in the other direction.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. I found like this photo of this person and I was like, I think she's beautiful. And then I kept scrolling on the timeline and I saw that this person indicated they may actually be trans. And I was like, oh, no.

[Michael Knowles]

Wow. That makes you gay. Accidentally gay, yeah.

[John Doyle]

By the transitive property, unfortunately.

[Michael Knowles]

By the transitive property, yes. And you have no control over that. I know. Because she could be Marilyn Monroe, but then. And you say she's good looking, and then tomorrow, if she's trans, you're gay.

[John Doyle]

I actually dated a girl one time who was liberal and we got into it about the trans stuff and I told her what I thought, started laughing at me. And I was like, what's so funny? And she produced a photo of herself as a toddler and it looked exactly like a little boy. And I have never genuinely been more scared in my life. I thought I was gonna have to kill her.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[John Doyle]

And then I demand. I was like, we're gonna go back to your house and we're going to go through old baby Fi. I need to see the evolution of this Pokemon. Like, I need.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. And so she sure enough was a girl, which I was very happy to find out. That genuinely scared me.

[Michael Knowles]

You wouldn't have to commit a. A secular liberal honor killer. Yeah, I would be very bad.

[John Doyle]

I'm very happy about that. I will currently die never having done anything gay and never having smoked marijuana, which itself is maybe related to being gay.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. You know, I had not even once. Somehow I made it out of Yale without being a fanouk. But I puffed on the devil's lettuce.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. I mean, I get like. I don't think I'm holier than thou. It was just an aversion I had because I saw the culture surrounding it. I was. I was like, this is great.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. It doesn't do anything for me. Yeah. My speed round.

[John Doyle]

All right. Do gripers hate me more than you? Michael Knowles?

[Michael Knowles]

Do they hate John Doyle more than me?

[John Doyle]

That's right.

[Michael Knowles]

For sure.

[John Doyle]

For sure they do. Oh, yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Why?

[John Doyle]

Because I didn't support Kanye west for president. And they'll. They have like, dude, it's funny because they'll confront me in person and be like, why did you do this to Us. And I'm like, why?

[Michael Knowles]

What?

[John Doyle]

You said this. Where will you have hostility? Where will you. And so that. That was like, I got confronted at the TPUSA event, and this was the

[Michael Knowles]

interaction, the recent One America Fest.

[John Doyle]

They came up to me. This was filmed. And so they were just like, you know, trying to confront me and own me. And I saw that they were filming it, and so I just kind of stood there. And eventually they called my friend Richard, which I did not appreciate. So I said, hey, don't call Maria. What are you doing? We're at a dead man's event right now and you're trying to bring up E Drama, and you don't even have, like, an explanation for it. This is absurd. And finally, after he said some comment to me that was to the effect of, like, you know, have fun, like, performing an untoward homosexual act on a certain right wing media figure, whatever. And this was, of course, referring to my involvement now with Blaze, and I allegedly made a comment to the effect of, yeah, you're lucky I'm no longer independent, because if I were, I would break your effing jaw. And I, like, took a step towards them and they immediately scurry, right? And so then they, of course, post the clip, which I didn't think they were gonna do. I was like, you obviously got mogged there. You came up, you had a big problem. I took one step towards you, you scurried off. So, like, what's going on? But they still, of course, because it's all about E Drama and vanity. They post the clip or whatever. So I've heard about 10 different versions of the story at this point. I've never addressed it publicly because I don't care about E Drama. I don't have an appetite for it. But no, it all stems from that. I was standing by Trump in 2022 when he was bleeding. These people then, as they are now, were saying, he's insufficiently conservative, he's hosting gay weddings at Mar a Lago. We have to support Kanye west for president. I said, I don't know about this. And then I was in a group chat, I think, on Instagram with like a bunch of right wing accounts, and I got scolded for this. And so I said, fair enough. Good luck, guys. And I left. And then the hit went out. And we're over three years into that now.

[Michael Knowles]

So you know what the secret is? You've just hit a at the very end there. I think the way that I've avoided some of this drama is one, maybe I'M just not like hip enough. I don't know, maybe I'm a little. But you know the other thing, I don't ever text anybody back.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

I get added to all these groups, signal Instagram, I'm in all these GCs, you know, but I don't contribute at all. Almost ever.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Which makes me like a bad friend and unresponsive. But then I get out of the drama, then no one's coming at me because all, you know, like, they do this now in right wing media. They just, everyone's just posting everyone's texts all the time. Ain't never gonna post mine.

[John Doyle]

Cause I don't send them, I don't have them.

[Michael Knowles]

That's it.

[John Doyle]

I think about it.

[Michael Knowles]

They post their texts. It's gonna be a wall of texts to me that I don't respond to.

[John Doyle]

And they'll call you a jerk. They'll say, this guy thinks it great. I think about this all the time.

[Michael Knowles]

Guilty.

[John Doyle]

And you'll have to forgive me for making a reference to a Marvel movie. But it's the scene in maybe one of the Avengers movies where this female superhero spawns in front of thanks. And she's like, you took everything from me. And he's like, I don't even know who you are. I feel like that all the time. Where I will hear second, third hand, you know, hey, this guy was saying that you did blah, blah, blah. He's got a real problem with you. And I'm like, what is it? And it turns out to be like, three years ago, I accidentally didn't answer, like a Twitter dm. And this has just been like accumulating and festering. And now he tries to get me canceled from an event or something. And it's like, what are we doing? It is high School Never Ends by Bowling for Soup. I have read thousands and of thousands, thousands and thousands of pages of toilet paper books that will be forgotten by time. High School Never Ends by Bowling for Soup is the most profound social commentary possibly ever. It has informed so much of how I navigate this space that I would recommend the viewers take a listen, because it's absolutely true. That's all it is, is high school.

[Michael Knowles]

And there is an important thing. I mean, it's not just you want to avoid drama, like some of that too. But the other thing is a lot of sin. And even, just even below the level of sin, just a lot of things that get guys off their path on the things that they should be doing is a distraction. There's so many distractions. There's so many allurements in this world and they can get you off track. And so it's not. This is my defense of being a jerk and not texting anyone back. But, like, you get. Look, I can barely do like three or four things in a day. You gotta really dig in in this culture where you have the attention span of a fruit fly. You gotta. And so when the phone is bing, bing, bing, bing, and you know, Sally said to Johnny, and it's. It's like you kind of have to just put it aside.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

That's my defense of being a jerk and not being meticulous or anything.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, no, it's certainly very real.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. Okay. You're clearing. Okay. That was some speed round. We're getting into like a three hour discourse on each question.

[John Doyle]

Should spouses have the login for each other's social media accounts? I said no.

[Michael Knowles]

No.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Why does your wife have so social media accounts?

[John Doyle]

She doesn't.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, obviously. Yeah. No, you know, sweet little Lisa, she still has like lurker accounts. Or sometimes she'll say, oh, for lent. I might give up this or that. But no, I don't. You know, to take the question more head on, I don't want surveillance on a husband and a wife. I don't. You know, some couples do find my friend for their spouse. Yeah, I don't need that.

[John Doyle]

Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

First of all, what am I doing? There are like three places I go. It's work, church, usually with my wife, and the cigar bar. So, you know, you can. Process of elimination. You basically figure out where I am. But even if I'm traveling for work or something like that, I don't. If you're checking your spouse's Instagram DMs, like 15 things have already gone wrong that you should address. I don't like it.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, people will try to avoid those baseline root issues and try to solve the problem by, you know, oh, I feel like I can trust you more. You can't, because now you have this thing in front of you which you're going to continue indulging in, and it's just gonna create this kind of impulse to distrust them or to be skeptical on the.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, it's the prenup. It's the prenup of Instagram. You know, you don't need. You're setting yourself up for failure.

[John Doyle]

The eternal prenup.

[Michael Knowles]

Mm.

[John Doyle]

Okay. Do you know the definition of something that is both evil and retarded?

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, like you're not an example. Like, I could think Of, I don't know, a hundred examples of that. But you're saying the definition of something that is both evil and retarded, like the definition of what that sort of a thing would be.

[John Doyle]

I suppose

[Michael Knowles]

I would say yes.

[John Doyle]

I said yes.

[Michael Knowles]

What is the thing? Is he alluding to something in particular?

[John Doyle]

I trusted that you would be able to come up with an adequate answer. My first thought was the American political system. And I thought it was that Sam Francis quote you know about. You have an evil party and a stupid party occasionally do something both evil and stupid. So that is maybe where I thought

[Michael Knowles]

you were going with, I didn't know it was a Sam Francis thing. So.

[John Doyle]

Yes, okay. Yeah.

[Michael Knowles]

Cause I was gonna say at a really basic level, you would have to say sin. I don't want to sound like the church lady, but sin is both evil and retarded in like a perfect way. It's totally irrational. Cause it's opposed to the logos. And it's evil in that it's a privation of the good. But there are many examples of things that are evil and retarded, as you would say. Yeah, and. And they do go hand in hand ultimately. Quite often people can be really clever about their evil and people can be really kind of naive. You can't say innocent, but they could be naive about their kind of stupid things that they do. Maybe even innocent, but when they go together. Sam Francis quote, an acerbic writer, but he has some real one liners. Now folks, before we move on, do you want to bring John Doyle to your home? Because if you do, you have to message me for the prices. If you're a little too cheap to buy John, you can get the yes or no game. This is yes or no, the game. And not only yes or no, you can also get the Conspiracy Theory expansion pack. You can also get the politics, philosophy and religion pack. We actually have other packs, but for some reason they're not here right now. Get it? This is the way to figure out if you really know your friends, your parents, your spouse. You go to dailywire.com shop. This is the game to pull back the skull of your loved ones, reach into the recesses of their brains and find out what they really believe. Dailywire.comshop okay, this is folks, the final round. The prompt will be read. We'll both log in our answers and then move our glasses to yes or no to see if we can read each other's minds. This round is worth double points. It could change everything. It actually could change everything because the score Right now I'm apparently winning six to four. Okay, ready? So I'm gonna put. You gotta clear your answer. I'm gonna put my glass here on Knowles, you put yours on Doyle. Alright, so we lock in our own answers and we move the other guy's cup to where we think they would answer. Should America prioritize demographic stability over economic growth? Yes. I mean, I don't mean to downplay it. Sometimes I'm I guess a figure of the New Right and I'm a little more avant garde maybe in some of my political thinking compared to the stasis of the last 30 years. However, some guys on the New right, they're a little cavalier about economic growth. Who cares about the economy? But no, no, economic growth is very important practical interests in geopolitics, like it really matters. But if you had to pick one or the other, and I don't think they're even opposed necessarily, but if you had to pick one or the other, We're a country first, we're not an economic zone. A country. If we try to be an economic zone with a country attached, we're gonna fail at both.

[John Doyle]

Yeah, that's absolutely right. And a lot of that is just driven by these guys who maybe are a bit younger, maybe they've given up on the prospect of ever owning a home or something. And so it is kind of like the political equivalent of like F U dad, where you know, obviously your father's concerned about his zestiments and things like that. And so it is the younger way of saying like we don't care about that. We need closed borders, mass deportations. But like you said, these are not, not incompatible. You actually can have both. Supposing you have a political class that could achieve one, it would probably want to achieve the other as well. Which seems to be what we're seeing now.

[Michael Knowles]

So you want to hear something crazy? I'm going to quote a right wing thinker who would probably be banished for being too fascistic or something today who says the three pillars of conservatism today are religion, nationalism and economic growth. Do you know who said that?

[John Doyle]

I don't.

[Michael Knowles]

The man who said that is Irving Kristol, the father of Neo conservatism. Isn't that crazy?

[John Doyle]

That is crazy because this is the

[Michael Knowles]

thing everyone's inveighing against the neocons, which I get what they mean by that and I basically agree. But they're inveighing against the second generation of these guys who were Trotskyites who entered the right during The Cold War and then. And the second generation are now like marching for trans rights in Gaza or whatever. But, but the first generation, I still have some problems with the first generation, obviously, but like, those guys are Pat Buchanan compared to their children, basically.

[John Doyle]

And it's like in many cases, literally their children.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, like, I mean that quite literally. Yes. But religion, nationalism and economic growth, that's not my definition of conservative, but that is like the most right wing version almost that you can even imagine today. That's pretty cool. Good.

[John Doyle]

Directionally, correct?

[Michael Knowles]

Yes. Yes. Okay,

[John Doyle]

final question. Should AI companies be treated like nuclear labs, heavily regulated?

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Yes.

[John Doyle]

Correct. Correct.

[Michael Knowles]

Yes. But, you know, I, I hedged a little bit. Like, the answer today I would say is yes, because we've done a good job at fixing the regulators. Yeah. And you could see it going very, very wrong if you had like a truly, totally hopelessly corrupt bureaucracy regulator. Yeah. Also because Peter Thiel, whom I quite like and who's a very smart guy.

[John Doyle]

Who paid you to say that, obviously,

[Michael Knowles]

and who paid me to say that and who has a gun to my head off camera. No, Peter Thiel, who is great. I mean, he's of kind, got a lot of good ideas, but he comes out and he says the Antichrist, he's very fascinated by the Antichrist and he says the Antichrist. A lot of people think he's going to come around because of a lack of government regulation. AI is going to become this antichristic figure, but actually I think it's the opposite. I think it's going to come around because of government regulation. And I thought, well, hold on. First of all, it sounds like sort of thing the Antichrist might say. But second of all, first of all, you do run a very prominent AI company. That is the best argument I've ever heard for the government not to regulate your own company.

[John Doyle]

It's good.

[Michael Knowles]

Game respects game. That's a great argument.

[John Doyle]

But

[Michael Knowles]

ultimately we're talking about something that is so powerful that I think that the libertarian view is no regulation, but the conservative view is no, you have to. This is something that has a great deal to say about the political order and that really comes into questions about the common good. If we don't have something to say about that, who does? Right, right.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. I think that that was more or less my thinking where it's like, you know, on paper, would we like this to maybe perhaps not be regulated? Regulated. We can have that conversation. It is going to be regulated. I like that Trump decided he wanted to throw his hat in the ring rather Than leave it to what, California. And have those people out there be in charge of it. Things of that nature. So is it possible that a could come in and then start to regulate it in a way that would be disadvantageous to us? Like. Of course. But that's gonna happen anyway. Just because it's in California. Silicon Valley. So I want.

[Michael Knowles]

Someone's gonna regulate it.

[John Doyle]

Yes. And I want that to be us. It is good when we do things. It is bad when they do things. It is that simple.

[Michael Knowles]

But that's hypocrisy. No, it's hypocrisy if you support our side doing good things and you object to their side doing bad things. You're a hypocrite. Right.

[John Doyle]

That is the line, isn't it?

[Michael Knowles]

Right. I don't know if that logic. So what happened? Yes, because. John, did you win? I won by a lot.

[John Doyle]

Just like I drew it up. I wanted to drink more free alcohol on Marty Kroff.

[Michael Knowles]

It's a good Tom Collins. I'm also just so lucky because I'm way behind on work. I'm way behind. Like, I have to do work tonight. And I have three little kids. You know, my wife at home, she's doing a lot. Juggling them. But I'm expected to do something. If I show you just three martinis blasted on Mardi Gras. Yeah, that would be bad because I'm waiting to have my two other martinis after they go to bed.

[John Doyle]

So the Knowles household has a position against the three martini lunch, I take it the three.

[Michael Knowles]

It's at most a one and a half martini lunch. Okay, then you gotta have the rest at dinner, right? Yes. So now are you. When are you gonna have the Tom Collins'? Second.

[John Doyle]

They're put in front of me.

[Michael Knowles]

Let's go. Are we getting. Are we really gonna make this? Is. Are we gonna make you slam?

[John Doyle]

I think that'd be excellent content. I'm not gonna lie.

[Michael Knowles]

All right, can we get the man two Tom Collinses, please? Can we. And I'll just look at this. I'm like a weakling here.

[John Doyle]

Thing is, I don't want my integrity to be called into question. I don't want people to be like, he didn't actually drink.

[Michael Knowles]

They'll call you a welch. You're right. Exactly. Yeah, you're right. Could we. Can I get a cigar, too? I know we have a couple in the studio right now. If we're gonna. If he's gonna drink. I'll take a. Hey, if we have cigars, could we have. I'll give you. While they prepare our drinks. You need to go check out the John Doyle show on YouTube, the Blaze, MySpace, wherever you listen to your podcasts. I'm not gonna say. See you next time on yes or no Yet. I'm gonna say we're taking a pause while two separate Tom Collins' are being made for you and the cigars are being brought in. Thank you, Professor. Now, hold on, hold on. That's only one glass.

[John Doyle]

Oh, it's a double.

[Michael Knowles]

Is that a double? This is actually. You might not believe it.

[John Doyle]

There's a greater girth on this glass.

[Michael Knowles]

That's true.

[John Doyle]

Than this one.

[Michael Knowles]

That's right. It might be more than a double. Okay. Okay. And did we have a cigar? Yeah, we don't, you know, we don't need to be so precious about it. I just want. If he's gonna drink, I would like a cigar. Thank you. You know, actually, I would.

[John Doyle]

That's Three Card Monty.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Would you like a Ciglot? These are Mayflowers. Would you like the Dusk or the Dawn?

[John Doyle]

Dealer's choice.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. Do you smoke regularly?

[John Doyle]

Not regularly.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. Have the Dawn. It's a nice, most popular one that we have. Do we have a light? No, these people bring me smokes. We don't even have a light.

[John Doyle]

See, we have a girl for this in my studio.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, this is. Do we. Does anybody have a light on them? No. Cause no one smokes anymore. Because we're not a proper country. Right. Thank you, sir. I appreciate you. Would you like me to cut your.

[John Doyle]

Please.

[Michael Knowles]

A cigar for you? Okay.

[John Doyle]

I actually have to make another one of those videos speaking about black history. And I thought that this would be the perfect lubricant. I don't know, we may do Malcolm X because, you know. Back to the commentary class. So many of these people who believe that they're right wing or conservative think that, like, Malcolm X is an ally of sorts to, you know, the right wing cause or whatever. This is the guy who would go out talking about, like, killing white police officers. The Black Panthers who would stage these ambushes on innocent white cops were of course, inspired by this rhetoric.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah. Killing Kennedy was the chickens coming home. Yes.

[John Doyle]

Yeah. So it's just all these villains who like JFK because they, like, look cool and got a couple movies made about them. Didn't. Did Oliver Stone also make the Malcolm X movie? Am I just inventing that?

[Michael Knowles]

I'll choose to believe it.

[John Doyle]

Anybody who gets a movie made out of them or made about them and wears like club Masters or something is considered, like, cool. You know, did.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay. All right, now you got. You got to slam it. You know, one topic while you. While you drink that. I have a topic that you have to cover for black history month. Make sure it's lit. Okay. All right. I'll see if I can get this whole pitch out. While you drink that Tom collins I

[John Doyle]

do have to slam.

[Michael Knowles]

There you go. That's a big one. That's a big one. Chin, chin. Cheers to your health. That's right. So my pitch while you slam that Tom collins. Well, look, he's going fast. Yaqub, Speaking of Malcolm X, I want to slide you down. Nation of Islam. He's the coldness, the black demiurge who created the white race in the mythology of the nation of Islam. And who knows, maybe in reality, if Malcolm X is right, Yaqub is not sufficiently understood. He looks kind of somali. He's got a gigantic head because of his big brain. And he invented the white race to get back at some other black people. And then the white race enslaved the world through their use of trichnology.

[John Doyle]

This is good. Now, I don't know about you, but I feel like my day to day is spent doing a kind of arithmetic where I wake up and I begin the stimulants. Nicotine, caffeine. I get to cruising altitude. The rest of the day I try to maintain that. And then if I try to go to sleep now, I have to begin the consumption of alcohol. You know, just get us safely back onto the airstrip.

[Michael Knowles]

To the realm of the water. That's right. In the living room. Yeah.

[John Doyle]

So this is sort of like a speedball Because I've got the alcohol and the nicotine at the same time.

[Michael Knowles]

I hope we don't John Belushi. You. I hope you don't become John Belushi Doyle.

[John Doyle]

I would prefer that that outcome not be what happens.

[Michael Knowles]

You are a man of your word. And you slammed the double Tom collins in shocking speed.

[John Doyle]

And I don't even. I'm not like a drinker.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah.

[John Doyle]

I'm just.

[Michael Knowles]

I'm not, you know, I'm not even a drinker. I'm not even shaking anymore.

[John Doyle]

You know, I didn't start drinking until I actually entered conservative media. Because I would go to these parties and everyone would hand me what I believe was a glass of water, and it turns out it was a glass of straight vodka.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, no, listen, I never started drinking until I was in conservative media. Because of all the people that you're around, because you have to be around all the time, John. Thank you for coming on the show.

[John Doyle]

Yes, sir.

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