Liz Wheeler (13:56)

And finally, we talk a lot about these different demographics and these assumptions of where they're gonna go. Latinos in Texas, a district that's 97% Latino, went 75 percentage points for Donald Trump. Why?

Michael Knowles (14:08)

Misogyny.

Seamus Coughlin (14:09)

No, it's on the border.

Liz Wheeler (14:10)

The border crisis is on their doorstep and they were begging people to care about it for years.

Michael Knowles (14:15)

We need to take some lessons. These are not. Knock, knock. Who's there?

Seamus Coughlin (14:19)

My gosh, it's Whoopi.

Michael Knowles (14:22)

Okay, so was it Whoopi who said misogyny, or was it one of the other ladies on the panel? I don't know. The first one, though, the fake Republican on the panel, Alyssa. Whatever. She says the Latinos ended up cutting for Trump in this area. And why? It's because of the border. The border would be one reason. I think there are other reasons too. But of course, the knee jerk reaction from the other ladies on the View. Misogyny. It has to be misogyny. And this ties in with the other liberal excuse, which is black people voted disproportionately this year for Trump because black people are misogynistic. Latinos voted overwhelmingly for Trump, or disproportionately, I should say, for Trump because Latinos are racist and don't like black people. But now the View is adding onto that and saying no. But Hispanics also, like the black people, hate women. How quickly they turn. When black voters and Hispanic voters play nice with the Democrats and they don't make too much noise and they don't voice their own opinions and they don't ever step out of line, then they're the most wonderful people in the world. They can do no wrong. They're the dreamers. They're the future of America. They're the diversity that makes our country so great. But the minute any of them even a little bit. Black men, 20% vote for Trump. Hispanics, they don't even, not even the majority vote for Trump, just 45, 46%. The minute they do that, you hate Women, you're racist, you are white supremacists. How quickly. And I think that is gonna be a wake up call. This election was in many ways a wake up call to black voters, to Hispanic voters, to others who said, wow, hold on. We've been voting in lockstep with the Democrats for years now, decades. And I don't know, they seem to have gone a little bit crazy. They're taking our votes for granted. They're not delivering. Maybe we're gonna vote for Trump. I think the reaction from the Democrats to turn on them on a dime, I think that's gonna compound the problem for Democrats. Black people and Hispanic people and even women perhaps are going to see where they really stand, which is that the left does not view them as particularly good, particularly wonderful, particularly deserving of privilege. They just view them as a political instrument to be exploited. And when the instrument doesn't work anymore, it's going to be tossed to the side. Now, speaking of women, there's a growing social media trend among feminist left wing women who are reacting to the Trump presidency with what is called the 4B campaign to swear off men.

Seamus Coughlin (17:03)

Not that my content reaches a lot of men because I have an IQ of 130, but I want the men in this country to know that half the female population, we're dry. We're probably gonna stay dry. I'm dry as a desert baby and I don't want it to change. Yeah, we're not gonna like you anymore. You understand that? Like, it doesn't matter if you, if you take away abortion, like, we'll want to have your babies even less. Right. Even if you take away contraception, like, women are really good at celibacy because you guys are actually a threat to us. So we have a lot less to gain from you. So, yeah, 4B all the way. Let's make some money. I guess that's all we can do now.

Michael Knowles (17:48)

It's always the eyes. The eyes always tell the story. She's got those real. They're popping out of her head and what is she saying? 4B. 4B refers to a Korean trend that took off in 2017 around the beginning of the MeToo movement, which was also contrived and astroturfed and led by some of the the greatest hypocrites in the world. In Hollywood and in the professional left, 4b refers to the refusal to date men. I'm going to botch all of these Korean words, so please forgive me. B Y. Then it's the refusal to sleep with men. Then it's the refusal to get married, specifically what they call heterosexual marriage, which in years past was just called marriage, but their refusal to get married. Bihon. And childbirth, refusal to have kids. Bi Kul San. So this lady opens up her video. This is probably the most viral of them, to say, I have an IQ of 130, men, so listen to me. So because she has an IQ of 130, a fact about which she is boasting for some reason, she must know that this whole 4B campaign is just a reenactment of the ancient Greek play Lysistrata. Lysistrata is a play from the 5th century BC by Aristophanes. A comedy, one of the most famous ancient Greek comedies. And the plot of the play is that the men are always going to war, and so the women on both sides decide they're going to withhold sex until the men make peace. That's it. So that's the obvious parallel that most of these women are totally unaware of. But it occurred to me in a way, the 4B campaign is the opposite of Lysistrata. Because the point of withholding sex from the men in Lysistrata is to have peace, but the point of withholding sex from men in the 4B campaign is to kill more babies. That's it. It's specifically about abortion. You heard her mention it there. It's not just about the Trump win, it's not just about Republicans. It's specifically about abortion. So it's kind of the opposite. There's something noble about the women withholding sex in Lysistrata. Here they say, no, men. We will only sleep with you if you allow us to kill your kids and our kids. So I look at the 4B campaign and I say, well, if the options are women have tons of promiscuous sex outside of marriage and then murder their babies, or these women in particular, just take a step back for a moment and are chaste. Is the 4B campaign kind of based? Does the B stand for based in the 4B campaign? I think perhaps it does. That's not bad. Now some people are saying, oh, it's good. These liberal women, they are not going to date, they're not going to procreate, they're not going to get married? No, no. We don't want the liberal women to abstain from things like marriage and procreation and all of that. And the reason is sometimes you'll hear cynical people on the right, they'll say, no, no, it'll be good, because then there won't be any new leftists being made? No, no, that's not how it works. Marriage is a conservatizing institution. Having children is a conservatizing experience. It brings you into greater connection with reality. It helps to expand your love and your charity. It makes you a fuller person. And being more in touch with reality, it makes you more conservative. So we want the women to do that, but we don't want people to just be used and abused and have casual sex for no reason whatsoever. That really doesn't make anyone happy. We want people to respect themselves and we want to encourage marriage. We want to encourage childbirth and raising children. We want to do it in the right way. So if 4B is the first step to that, you go, ladies. More power. You go, girl. More power to you. Now, speaking of procreation, you might want to check out Rose Sparks. Rose sparks are a game changer for men who would like a little bit of extra help in the boudoir. 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My favorite comment yesterday is actually from Professor Jacob and it's in a meme that he sent me. And the meme is a picture. I think it's of Kim Jong Un smoking a cigarette that says, in the midst of it so over, I found there was within me an invincible. We're so back. Wow. So true. So true. As a consequence of Tuesday, speaking of women having disordered and passionate reactions to the Trump win, some women are shaving their heads in protest of the 47th president.

Seamus Coughlin (23:27)

Just woke up this morning feeling spicy. You guys feel spicy?

Michael Knowles (23:30)

Because I do.

Seamus Coughlin (23:31)

All right. I don't know how to use this thing. Let's See what happens is this cutting off hair.

Liz Wheeler (23:36)

I'm gonna have to cut it shorter than that.

Seamus Coughlin (23:38)

Does it down, right?

Liz Wheeler (23:39)

I think that this is too.

Seamus Coughlin (23:41)

It's getting hair. Let's see here. Maybe I gotta cut it. Here we go. Have I given up on America? I've also given up on coloring this hair because. Right. Coloring my hair, having my hair be long and luxurious, all that being skinny, being hot. We have all the things that the patriarchy wants us to be because clearly they don't give a about us. And I'm talking to you, too. Those of you ladies who have the internalized misogyny required to do what you did. Minorities who are so scared of a woman in power that you'd rather cozy up to the white man just in case some crumbs fall off his plate so that you may eat from them.

Michael Knowles (24:20)

Yes, perhaps.

Seamus Coughlin (24:21)

I don't know how to work this thing, but I'm on my way. I'm gonna figure it out.

Liz Wheeler (24:24)

Let's just do something.

Seamus Coughlin (24:25)

You know why? Because this is taking too long.

Michael Knowles (24:29)

So here she is, the liberal white lady, lashing out at her former supposed friends, the racial minorities and the other women, because she can't say that all the women opposed Trump. Many, many women voted for Trump. Married women mostly voted for Trump, and even single women moved in his direction. So she can't say that. She says, no, you have internalized misogyny. You women, you actually hate women. You're laboring under a false consciousness. This is a term from the Marxist tradition that says that either you support the radical leftists or you've been tricked. The only conclusion that one could possibly come to if one has working faculties of reason, is to support the radical leftists. So the only explanations, as long as you're not in the oppressor class, if you're in the good class, like the women and the minorities, is you're either voting for the left or you've been duped. So she says, okay, you've been duped women, you have internalized misogyny. You're laboring under false consciousness. And for you minorities, she's even harsher. She says, you just hate women so much. Forget about you black people. Forget about you Hispanic people. You hate women so much because really, you're just trying to suck up to the white man, that evil, terrible man. So she's, you know, she's raving and ranting, and then she cuts her hair off. I've noticed this over the years, that women, when they experience a trauma, often cut their hair off. Women who get divorced, women who are going through relationship problems, women who are experiencing even more serious traumas than that will cut their hair very short. And it just seems to be a natural response to processing some kind of trauma. What makes this so preposterous is that the supposed trauma is a very popular president being reelected so that he can fix the economy and our political order being reelected by the majority of Americans. You know, it doesn't seem all that dramatic, but women do this. This is a real response to trauma. So this woman is really processing a normal event as some kind of shocking trauma. Why are these women so mad? I choose that word very specifically. Sometimes you'd hear, well, look, animals get mad, people get angry. But mad also carries this connotation of lunacy, of madness, of craziness. And they seem a little bit crazy. Why have they been driven mad? In part, they've been driven mad by their anger. And I think they're angry because of their sadness. Anger is a response to the sadness caused by an injustice, St. Thomas Aquinas tells us. So why are they sad? Why are they angry? Why are they mad? Ultimately, it is not because the mango Mussolini has ascended the throne. Maybe in their fevered dreams, that's what they think. That's not really what's happening. I think they're sad and they're angry and they're mad because they're wrong. I think that's what a lot of this diatribe was about. Notice it wasn't. So she was angry that maybe you won't be able to kill as many kids in the next presidential administration. Maybe, though Trump has said there won't be a federal abortion ban. But what she seems to be really angry about is not any particular policy. New migration policy, new Ukraine policy, new economic policy. She seems to be angry that she was wrong about other women and how they would vote. She was wrong about how black people would vote, how Hispanic people would vote. She was wrong about how the majority of Americans would vote. These guys were wrong about the political order. The country is not as they believed it was. And why did they believe that? The country was left wing and hated Donald Trump. And they believed that because the establishment media told them and it was a kind of self reinforcing cycle and they just got it wrong. They're sad and they're angry and they're mad because their perception is not in accord with reality. And when you become divorced in your mind from reality, you start to go crazy and you start to seem crazy and you start to do crazy things. Like chopping off all your hair because you don't like the Republican Party. So the solution to that, and it's difficult, it's easier said than done, the solution to that is humility. Not this kind of false humility of shaving your hair and being really performative in your self flagellation on TikTok. It's humility to say, huh, I guess I got that wrong. Huh, I guess maybe my political opponents aren't all evil because then the majority of Americans have to be evil. And even the people I said were good, like the blacks and the Hispanics and the women, maybe they're, they would have to be evil too, in large part. So, huh, maybe I was. Maybe I was wrong and maybe my political priors are wrong and maybe murdering kids isn't the be all and end all of political virtue. And, huh, maybe I need to rethink things, maybe, because the alternative to that, that probably sounds terrible for the left right now to have to change their views, but the alternative is to just continue to be wrong. That's it. So you can do that. You can persist in delusion with increasing heaps and heaps of evidence that you're wrong, but you're going to start seeming real crazy if you do that. This is why the transgender issue has become so prominent, is because it is exemplary of this precise problem of living in persistent defiance of reality in a way that becomes increasingly desperate and absurd in a way that is undeniable. Tuesday's undeniable. Most Americans like Trump. Most Americans don't think he's Hitler. That's true across demographic groups. So you can react to that by saying, okay, hmm, I'll cool it. Maybe I'll rethink things. Or you can chop all your hair off and rant and scream on TikTok, or cry on national television like Jimmy Kimmel. The choice is yours, I suppose. Now, speaking of being wrong, Cenk Uygur, he is the host of the Young Turks. Cenk Uygur has a message for his fellow Democrats. He says don't blame the voters. Don't blame the Russians. Don't blame everyone else. Good so far. Listen to the voters. Good so far. They just sent you a huge wake up call. Yep. They want you to go populist. If Democrats double down on loser corporate Democrats, they will keep losing elections forever. Turn around. Okay, well, hold on. He had me until the end. That's true. Voters do like populism. But I don't think that's what Cenk's talking about. I think Cenk is talking about the populism of Bernie Sanders, maybe even Elizabeth Warren, maybe even aoc, the real explicit leftists. This strikes me as a little bit revisionist history because I was on air with Cenk Uygur when Kamala Harris picked Tim Walz as her running mate. And I said this was a big mistake for Democrats because Walsh was too far to the left. He was really extreme, especially on the transgender issue, but really extremely let Minneapolis burn to the ground. I mean, he's a radical. Cenk said on a panel that I was on with him on the Piers Morgan show that Walls was a really, really great candidate. He was even laughing. I said, okay, well, we'll see who's right in the end. He said, okay, well, I'm gonna be laughing on election day. Because Kamala Harris leaned into her leftist bona fides. She didn't pick the more moderate Josh Shapiro in Pennsylvania. She picked the guy, the Minnesota guy, the real leftist, and that failed. So even the point that Cenk Yugar is making says all these candidates, these were just corporate Democrats. No, no, you were saying they were left wing candidates. You were saying they were more populous candidates. But even the distinction he's trying to draw between the loser corporate Democrats and the radicals, the populists, is a little bit of cope. The reality is that both the establishment wings of the Democrat Party and the populist wing of the Democrat Party are unpopular. And they are unpopular because both of them are divorced from the common good. They're unpopular because the corporatist establishment wing of the Democrat Party, which is now partying with the Cheneys, that wing is really just about making money and doing whatever they want and pursuing their liberal social policies and just caring about themselves. Just greedy libs. And then the radical wing of the party is divorced from the common good because they're dividing everyone up into all these little groups and trying to pit them against each other. The blacks against the whites and the men against the women. 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Seamus Coughlin (35:53)

Hello Michael, thank you for being you and sharing your light and your joy with us. You're my favorite pundit because I can literally feel your journey every time I listen to you and that's quite rare, especially in the political field. So thank you for being you. I have a quick question. Have you ever considered manufacturing miniatures for your cigar company? Would love the Duskblende if you can get to it. Thanks.

Michael Knowles (36:29)

What a great setup to the question with a question that was perhaps even more delightful than the setup. Your point on Joy. That's great because it seems like you're saying that I'm the real Kamala. You know, Kamala ran on Joy, but she didn't seem very joyful. You're saying I am the real Kamala Harris. Wow. Thank you. As far as the miniature cigars, funny you say that. You know, I have a cigar company, Mayflower Cigars, and with two blends, the dawn blend a little lighter and the dusk blend a little darker, fuller body. And I love smaller cigars. Not cigarillos, not cigarettes. I don't like any of them. Not the machine made stuff, not the short filler stuff. But I do like a smaller, smaller ring gauge, shorter size, long filler, premium hand rolled cigar. I do like that. Will we be coming out with any of those? I have long suspected that women prefer that kind of cigar, but I think really the old school cigar smokers prefer that size too. It's a good question. Stay tuned. That's all I'll say. Next question. Hey, Michael. My name's A.J. first off, I wanted to thank you for staying after Liberty's Freedom Uncensored Conference.

Ben Shapiro (37:40)

For a meet and greet.

Michael Knowles (37:41)

I know you had to be exhausted.

Ben Shapiro (37:42)

And had to get to your 2am.

Michael Knowles (37:44)

Flight, but you and I agreed that my question might be good for the mailbag. So here goes. What are your thoughts on the idea that the initial rejection by the Church of the polyphony of Palestrina is comparable to the rejection of modern worship music by some, putting aside differences in musical complexity?

Ben Shapiro (38:01)

Appreciate your thoughts.

Michael Knowles (38:03)

Really, really great question. I'll break it down a little bit for those who are not as familiar with church history and the history of music. Polyphony, when it came into the church in the 15th and 16th centuries, it was coming in after the typical liturgical use of plain chant or Gregorian chant. Ahas peherce me. And polyphony, you know, includes harmonies and all sorts of complex musical arrangements. However, there is a common misconception, a longstanding legend, that the Church reacted negatively against polyphony, against harmony, against this complex music, or that it rejected it, or that it persecuted people for using polyphony. That's not true. There have been liturgical, beautiful uses of polyphony from the very beginning. However, at the Council of Trent, what they were debating was not whether polyphony could be used in music, but whether polyphony would overshadow the liturgy, the actual words, the sacrifice of the Mass. And even more specifically, it was dealing with whether or not music that was vulgar or secular could be used or appropriated for a liturgical purpose. And so what the council came to was that this music certainly could be used in the Mass and was rather quickly used in the Mass, but it could not overshadow the words. It could not cloud the meaning. It could not. You know, ironically, there's also another later modern, I think, historically ridiculous attempt to deride traditional liturgy and Christendom at its height by saying that the people didn't understand the Mass, they couldn't read the Bible, they were not open to the message of the Gospel. All revisionist history, all nonsense. But actually, the debate over polyphony was largely a debate that centered over making sure that the people could continue to hear the actual message of the music and of the Mass, which they certainly can. And their wonderful misse cantate that sung Masses that continue to be used in even the most traditionalist parishes today. This is not the same as the debate over modern worship music, which usually is terrible and comes down to sad, sappy little pop ditties that weren't even cool in the 1970s. There's a difference. There's a difference between Palestrina and some modern reject from a 70s ballad, you know, because there's objective beauty. So don't worry, we can feel perfectly fine about rejecting a lot of modern worship music. Some is okay, but a lot of it's very bad. And maybe we return to Palestrina. That sounds good. Next question.

Seamus Coughlin (41:04)

Hello, Michael.

Michael Knowles (41:05)

Big fan of the show. I just wanted to ask you what I should do as a University of Wisconsin, Stevens Point student who is. I love college and I love the friends that I've made, but I just.

Liz Wheeler (41:17)

Cannot stand all the liberal ideologies that.

Michael Knowles (41:19)

Are going on that they are throwing down my throat.

Liz Wheeler (41:22)

And I am a media studies major.

Michael Knowles (41:23)

And I would like to do something in that field. However, I do not know how much longer I can stand being at this place. So if you have any advice on what to do, please give me a shout back. Sure. The question is, do you need the degree to do the job, or do you need the degree even to get the job? Different questions. Usually, you don't need the degree to do the job. You might need the degree to get the job. That's an unfortunate misalignment of our credentialing right now, but it could be a reality. So if you need the degree to get the job, you might want to stick it out. Or you could consider transferring to a college or university that's a little less crazy, or. I don't know. If you're working in media, often you don't really need the degree. So I think university education is good. I support liberal arts education, but the purpose of liberal arts education is not to learn a technical trade. The purpose of liberal arts education is to read dusty old books that don't have any direct applicable professional purpose. They will just form your character and cultivate all sorts of interests and desires and help you make sense of your freedom. That's the point of it. So if you're not getting that at this school and you're not getting the professional training that you need, that's a big if you got to answer that for yourself and you're dealing with a bunch of lunatic libs, I don't know, then I'd probably do something else and save your money. However, if you are getting a proper liberal arts education anywhere that could be useful, even if it's not directly applicable to your job and if you need it for your credential, well, that's the way it works. You can either accept that or you can go do something else. Next question.

Seamus Coughlin (43:02)

Hello Michael. Greetings from Oklahoma. Love the show and all that you do for the faith in the country. Just a little about myself to set up my question. I am a 25 year old single woman still living in my parents home and have been attending the TLM at my parish here for about 10 years at this point, as I've heard you talk about many times on the show, I've been putting myself in an environment where good young men are to be found, but I've yet to be approached by anyone. I have long hoped to meet my spouse in a traditional manner and the idea of using any sort of dating site, even a Catholic one like Catholic Match, has never appealed to me. Mainly because I would feel like I am becoming the pursuer while at the same time effectively putting myself up for sale, so to speak. But I feel like I am coming to a crossroads when it comes to moving on with my life. And so my question to you is, should I just keep hoping and praying, as I've been doing for so many years, that someone will eventually find me worth pursuing? Or should I give in to the pressure brought about by my own loneliness and try the Catholic Match thing, praying that the Holy Spirit will see fit to reveal his will to me through your words? Thank you and God bless.

Michael Knowles (44:08)

Okay, thank you. It's a good question. I'm sorry you're dealing with this difficulty that is so common in the modern age, which is loneliness and a confusion of the relation between the sexes. You are creating a neat dichotomy Here that I'm not sure is quite so neat. You're saying, look, I want to be pursued in a traditional way. I want the man to ask me out. And I don't want to have to put myself up on social media like I'm listing a personal or, I don't know, advertising myself as a commodity. So I don't want to have to do that. That's why I don't want to use the dating sites. However, I don't want to be lonely. And none of the men, even at the traditional Latin mass parish, are coming up and pursuing me. So what do I do? And I don't know what kind of town you're in. In Oklahoma, it might be relatively small, the pickings might be slim. We say about dating at the traditional Latin mass that the odds are good, but the goods are odd. But maybe the odds aren't even good, depending on how small your parish is. So I don't know. However, I don't think this dichotomy is quite so neat. Yes, there's something unusual about a woman being the one to pursue the man really aggressively, though it happens sometimes. However, when you get up in the morning, do you just sort of roll out of bed, hair all frizzy looking drab, and just kind of run outside and go buy your cup of coffee or whatever? No, you brush your hair, maybe you put on a little makeup, you wear a nice dress that maybe makes you look good, or maybe you think it's good. What would you call that? Is that not in a way pursuing men? Is that not in a way at least expressing that you are available? Is that not. Of course it is all the sort of posturing. All the way that we interact the two sexes with one another is a way implicitly or explicitly to pursue the opposite sex. So there are ways to put yourself out there that are not directly courting a man, which as you observe, would be a little bit disordered at least, but nevertheless open up opportunities. I don't think it's just between sitting in the pew and waiting for the fellow to come up or putting yourself on a personal's website, though you might do that too. Plenty of people have gotten married that way. But maybe it's about asking your friends and family to set you up. Maybe it's about being a little bit more intentional about how you're going to go about dating. Maybe if you have a job, going out and asking colleagues to introduce you to set you up with someone, being a little bit more intentional without being the one directly holding A boombox under some guy's bedroom window saying, please come date me. That would be a little odd. You can be a little bit more intentional about it. It's okay. More than one way to skin a cat. And women are clever this way. Women are not the passive creatures that the feminists sometimes say that they are without any agency, just pure victims of men. And they're not the passive creatures that you see sometimes in caricatures of chivalry, just there up on a pedestal, still waiting to be sung to or pursued. Women can be a little craftier, too, as you see in Lysistrata or even the 4B movement. I guess we will be talking more about the 4B movement with my friend Liz Wheeler. We will be doing that in the next part of the show. And I will be receiving. I hope somebody will be giving me my iPad so that I can speak. Not to all of the hoi polloi out there, though. I love you. Thank you. And YouTube and Twitter and X and everything for being here. But I will be speaking to the members of the Chem de la Chem. That is right, the Daily Wire plus subscribers who are here. Professor, please give me my iPad. Thank you. By the way, do you want to show the people? So, you know, professor had grown a little bit of a soup strainer underneath his nose. He had a big, fat, creepy crumb catcher on his upper lip. And a lot of people didn't like it, myself included, most of the time. And now the professor has a complete baby face. Look at that now. What do you think? In a way, I miss the stache.

Ben Shapiro (47:57)

I miss it, too.

Michael Knowles (47:59)

You liked it?

Ben Shapiro (48:00)

Yeah, I thought it was hilarious.

Michael Knowles (48:01)

You know, it was definitely hilarious. The problem was, of course, when Professor Jacob accompanies me to my speeches at schools, he wasn't allowed within 300 yards of the campuses. And so that was one issue with the mustache, but also it had the potential to become like a Tom Selleck kind of thing, maybe in 10 or 20 years. And now he's cut it off. Why'd you cut it off? I did. I insinuated that. I didn't say that explicitly. Okay, who's here? Mama knows the truth. Married women look like looking nice, and we don't want another man, so we have to look like hags once we're married. No, no, you misunderstand me. I'm pointing out you wake up married or unmarried, you wake up, you brush your hair, you take a shower, or maybe you put on a little makeup or something for a purpose. What do you do that for? I'm not saying you're trying to cheat on your husband, but maybe you want to look pretty for your husband. I try to make myself look a little bit like an Adonis in a hunk. For sweet little Elisa. I understand I don't have to do that much. I sort of just wake up like this. But maybe I button up the shirt, try to put on a nice jacket so that sweet little Elisa still has that sort of feeling from when we were dating. You do this you want. Because we want to attract our beloved. That's a good thing. So one can be intentional about this. Single or married. And if you. You don't need to just wait to be a passive recipient of fate. You can go out there and cooperate with God's grace and the various circumstances in which you find yourself. Congrats, Curls. I don't know what that's in response to. Let's see. Arun says unwoke. I would never ignore you. You're my third favorite Jew after Maimonides and Professor Jacob. And really you're tied with Professor. That's a nice thing to say. Women cleverly set themselves up to receive love, says Catherine. That is a more eloquent and I think precise way of saying it. Very true, Catherine Landon. Michael, tell that last questioner to call me. The DW should have my number. I've applied to tons of jobs there. You've applied to tons of jobs and now you're applying for love. I don't know. Are we allowed to give out members phone numbers to set them up? That seems like there's some liability involved there. I don't know that I'm going to do that. Michael, I thoroughly enjoyed your election coverage on Tuesday night, says Alex. Thank you very much, Alex. Appreciate that. Harry Styles fan. Michael, I demand LDS representation or I will riot. Fair enough. Although has a Mormon ever rioted? They're like the nicest people. They're so put together they talk about dressing well. So that would be an odd thing to see an LDS riot. But who knows? Maybe chicken soup, says Michael. When will sweet little Elisa make a cookbook called Mac? What was for breakfast? That's a good question. I had a lovely breakfast. Nice single. We only had one egg left. But because of the Bidenflation and because Elisa gets the college educated eggs, that one egg was like $47. And so I had one sunny side egg and then two fresh chocolate chip pancakes and a double shot of espresso. It was good, actually, if I'm being precise, two single shots of espresso I prefer the single pull. It's much better. Now, speaking of women, sweet little Elisa. Very put together, serious, rational, grounded woman. Another friend of mine. Serious, put together, grounded, realistic. That would be my friend Liz Wheeler. Liz, thank you for coming on the show.

Liz Wheeler (51:26)

Hi, Michael. Did you really have chocolate chip pancakes for breakfast?

Michael Knowles (51:29)

I did. Alisa every day makes me some kind of. Maybe it's lemon ricotta pancakes. Maybe it's a fresh sourdough waffle. Maybe it's a little muffins with my eggs. It's. It's good. Look, she's a grounded woman.

Liz Wheeler (51:40)

It's a good life.

Michael Knowles (51:41)

It's a good life. Some women are not living good lives, Liz. Some women are not grounded. Some women are not put together. Are you familiar with the 4B movement?

Liz Wheeler (51:50)

Is this the moment that I'm supposed to shave my head on, Eric? Today?

Michael Knowles (51:52)

This is. Yeah, please don't. You have lovely hair, Liz. Don't. Don't do it. You remember about 10 years ago, women got it in their minds that it would be smart to just shave off half their head. Do you remember that thing? They had long hair on one side and like a buzz cut on the other?

Liz Wheeler (52:04)

Yeah. Remember that show John and Kate plus eight? Didn't she have. Wasn't she like the pioneer of that? She had like the long sweeping thing in the shave on the side.

Michael Knowles (52:12)

You telling me a mother of eight pioneered the most feminist and unfortunate hair trend of the last quarter century?

Liz Wheeler (52:20)

Well, she turned out to be a feminist.

Michael Knowles (52:22)

So did she. Well, I guess I have to catch up on that show. I was not an avid watcher, really. The only reality show I ever really got into was the Jersey Shore. But that's cause it really reminded me of my upbringing. It's a conversation for another time. For this conversation, Liz, that sounds like.

Liz Wheeler (52:37)

A conversation that viewers would be interested.

Michael Knowles (52:38)

In hearing when I was just there. Little Jim Tan Laundry. Beat that. Beat up. Yeah, yeah, that'll be. That's for the summer. This is now we're heading into the winter and these women are heading into, it would appear, a winter of the soul of sorts. If you don't mind, Liz, we're gonna go through a few of these TikToks of the 4B movement and you, as a grounded woman, can maybe give them some advice. Take it away.

Liz Wheeler (53:05)

I would love to.

Seamus Coughlin (53:08)

I just woke up and I'm still processing. But I just want to issue a formal announcement to everybody in my life that I have now joined the forb movement. That's for one second. Secondly, the first question I'm asking everybody in my life from this moment forward, who did you vote for? If I get anything aside from Kamala, get the out of my face. If you're not trying to hoard plan B and M pro stole with me and start an underground abortion railroad, then I don't get the out of my fit. Honestly. Oh, my God, I'm tired.

Michael Knowles (53:52)

Thoughts?

Liz Wheeler (53:54)

Well, I'd like to laugh at her because part of it's comical. The 4B movement, you probably already went over this, but the 4B movement is a radical feminist separatist movement. It calls for women to reject dating men, marrying men, having sex with men, and having babies. And it's not just a political movement. They actually want to reject men from every portion of their life. It is an anti man movement here. So my first comment on the forb movement is, okay, ladies, if you are trying to reject all of those things, dating and marriage and sex and babies, because you think you cannot abort your baby, we accept your terms. Those terms sound great to me. If this is what it took, this is what it took to get women to stop participating in hookup culture, to stop having sex with men who have no intention of commitment or love, to stop aborting their babies. This is exactly what we hope for, aside, of course, from their side dish of anti man here. But the larger picture here, besides sort of laughing at the comedy of the thing, is it's very sad. It's very sad to see these women so attached to abortion that they think their entire identity revolves around it. That to be who they were made to be, to achieve their potential, to be successful, to be happy that they have to kill their unborn children in the womb. Our culture is very sick, Michael. We have a lot of work still to do.

Michael Knowles (55:12)

I wonder. I like the idea that these feminists are gonna be chased inadvertently, but I wonder if this is gonna boomerang in a bad way. Because what they're saying is, we're going to deny our desires for men. We're gonna deny our desires for complementarity or marriage or kids or whatever. If you didn't vote for Kamala, we are gonna suppress all of our desires. And I wonder if that's healthy. Because the way that I would like people to be chased, the way that I would like people to just behave normally in all realms of life, is not to suppress their desires, but just to make sure their desires are ordered toward the right purpose. I think desire is good. It's good to desire members of the opposite sex, but you don't Want to be married and desiring your secretary, you want to be desiring your wife. When you have a desire, if you're unmarried, you don't want to take that desire and go have a one night stand after getting blackout drunk at the bar down the street. You want to take that desire and follow that to get married and have a good life. And then you don't want to take that desire and use it to turn off the possibility of life and having kids. You want that desire to be fulfilled in creating kids. So it's about sublimating and correcting our desires and actually following them in love rather than what these women are doing. It seems to me the opposite of love.

Liz Wheeler (56:32)

Well, it is. And the word that you used, suppressing their desires, I would call it. I mean, maybe they are engaging in a suppression of their desires that's disordered, but in a sense it's potato potato with self control. When you're an unmarried person, are you suppressing your desire to go out and have sex with a lot of people or are you exercising self control over that desire? The end is the same. And even if it is not rooted in the same order of what is good and right and beautiful, we're not just talking about the woman involved here. By not engaging in promiscuous sex and not allowing a man who has no intention to commit to her and love her and marry her to impregnate her, then she's saving the life of a baby that she admits that she would abort should she become pregnant. So that to me is the primary thing that when I see these videos, I'm like, okay, great, we're gonna save babies lives if you abstain from promiscuous sex. But yes, like I said, I also feel sympathy for these women. I think a lot of these women have been harmed by abortion and have been harmed by men who abuse them. That's sort of the undercurrent of the problem with abortion in our culture that's been so unpopular in the last couple decades. To talk about that. I have hope that as a culture we're starting to red pill not just politically, but there's been this big spiritual awakening. You and I were talking about this on my show last week or the week before, how a lot of young people are realizing that there's more to life than secularism and they're turning towards oftentimes the order of the Catholic Church. And my hope is that that message can start resonating with some of these women because a lot of them are so Tied to abortion because they've had abortions themselves. Abortions that have not only ended the life of their baby, but they regret them, they feel trauma, they feel grief from these abortions and their ex boyfriends or whoever impregnated them coerce them into doing that. And it's a very tough thing. Even though you and I can sit there and say, wow, that's so egregious. How could they do that? It's a very tough thing to overcome that mental hurdle to say, wow, I aborted my child and now I'm coming face to face with the reality of what I did. And I think the result of that is a lot of these women become attached to abortion rather than facing the reality. And that's what we see in these videos, right?

Michael Knowles (58:28)

They either repent, you know, it's not my line, but. But people say before you get the good news, you have to have the bad news. Either they accept the reality of what they did and then repent and receive forgiveness, or they go crazy like a lot of the women in these videos. Okay, next video.

Liz Wheeler (58:42)

All I have to say is, good luck getting laid. Especially in Florida, because me and my.

Seamus Coughlin (58:50)

Girlies are participating in the 4B movement. That's my next plan. And I'm dead serious.

Michael Knowles (58:57)

I voted for Donald Trump and I have three children under the age of four. And there are many such cases. This sort of like, tee hee hee, good luck getting laid. Tee hee hee. You know, we single women, we're just gonna turn it off, okay? And we're not gonna give you promiscuous. And by the way, single people, even if what you're pursuing is just like, you know, doing the deed, a lot of times you're more likely to do that within the context of marriage. People look back on their single days and they only remember the successes. They don't remember the strikeouts. They don't remember the loneliness. It's so deceptive, the whole thing. And even if you do have a one night stand or something, it's so unfulfilling, it degrades the person, regardless of your. Even if you're the biggest lib in the world, that woman, like, tee hee hee. Yeah, good luck getting laid. Actually, you know what? I'm good, man. Maybe, you know, how about you take a break, Say it again.

Liz Wheeler (59:53)

Look at the statistics. Look at the statistics and the studies. And I don't mean to be graphic here. I just where these women are putting it all out there, if you will or not. And I think that we should look at. I read A study, a couple of. This was probably early in the summer when we were doing an episode about Andrew Tate and the hookup culture and all of that. And if you look at the satisfaction rate of hookup versus sex within the context of marriage, it was something like men only orgasm 60% of time or 60% of the time during a hookup, and women only orgasm 10% of the time during a hookup with an otherwise stranger outside of the context of marriage. And I thought, huh, no one ever talks about that. Probably because it's uncomfortable and no one wants to say it, but no one ever talks about that when they're talking about how wonderful the hookup culture is compared to the statistics about sex within the context of marriage. Women, specifically men, too, but women's sexual experiences obviously are more intertwined with their emotional security. Women report being the most satisfied with sex when they are married, when they are in love, when they are having sex with their husband. And yet these women are. I mean, in my opinion, they're missing out.

Michael Knowles (60:56)

I think they're probably missing out. And so maybe this underscores your point, Liz. Maybe these women do need a reset. Maybe they do need a little 4B, a little sabbatical from the hookup culture. Maybe that'll reset them a little bit and that. That feminism will end up being an instrument to having an actual good life. Next one. I'm going to be honest. I was very blindsided by the results this morning.

Liz Wheeler (61:20)

I've decided that cigarettes don't count today.

Michael Knowles (61:23)

And I honestly might go get a tattoo. But I also have decided that for.

Liz Wheeler (61:29)

The next four years, I am going to abstain from schmecks with men. And funny enough, I actually just broke up with my boyfriend a handful of days before the election.

Michael Knowles (61:41)

As a woman, my bodily autonomy matters.

Liz Wheeler (61:45)

And this is my way to exercise sovereignty over that. Delete your dating apps, because we can come together in community. And if you need somebody to cuddle.

Seamus Coughlin (61:56)

Or hold your hand or give you.

Michael Knowles (61:58)

A kiss, I bet you one of.

Liz Wheeler (62:00)

Your girls would do it, okay? And you don't even have to really be gay, okay?

Michael Knowles (62:04)

It's okay to have a lot of.

Liz Wheeler (62:06)

Platonic love for the next four years.

Michael Knowles (62:08)

I think we can look to South.

Liz Wheeler (62:10)

Korea and the 4B movement as a point of inspiration for us.

Michael Knowles (62:18)

Her advice is to just make women into lesbians, and she knows it. So she says, and you don't really. You don't even really have to be a lesbian to kiss your girlfriends and cuddle.

Liz Wheeler (62:27)

But, yeah, just kind of gay.

Michael Knowles (62:30)

Just kind of just A little.

Liz Wheeler (62:31)

I mean, her ex, boyfriend, fellow, you dodged a bullet. With all due respect to her, this was the interesting part of the FoRB movement too, is apparently these feminists and they're pretty young. That girl looks pretty young to me. I don't know exactly how old she is, but it's not like these are older millennials that are talking about. These are gen zers. They say that this is gonna cause a sharp population decline because they're gonna refuse to have children. And I'm thinking, who among these women even has a child to begin with? These are not the women that are procreating, that are raising families, that are rearing the next generation of leaders in our country. I don't think the threat of population decline is a particularly risky one from them.

Michael Knowles (63:08)

Also, I think we're just reversing causality here. The way all of this is being reported is that the women are really angry and sad and mad because Trump got elected. And I think actually the women are just angry and sad and mad and then Trump got elected and they're pretending that's the cause of it. But I think it's no coincidence here. This woman who's really sad and she says, I'm gonna smoke cigarettes now, even though I quit and I'm gonna go get a tattoo and who knows, she's probably gonna cut off her hair or do whatever, and I'm gonna do that because Trump got elected because the guy who was already president got elected and he's gonna cut taxes a little bit. And also, totally unrelated, my boyfriend broke up with me a few days ago, but it totally has nothing to do with. I'm not really sad about that. And you think like, no girls, you're, you know, there's that study that came out of Yale in 2008, so it's a little old now. It's probably the situation's gotten even worse. Women have become less happy over the past 50 years, both in objective terms and relative to men. In terms of their self reported happiness, it has plummeted. And now huge swaths of women are on depression pills all the time. Women in their middle age, women in their teenage years, they're constantly popping pills because of how sad they are, how unhappy they have become since, coincidentally, feminism hit the national scene. And so they're trying to come up with all sorts of explanations for their unhappiness. I'm unhappy because of the patriarchy. I'm unhappy because of systemic racism. I'm unhappy because the Mango Mussolini ascended the throne again or whatever it Is they just. But maybe they're just sort of unhappy because of how they're living their lives. And if they changed how they're living their lives, maybe they get a little happier.

Liz Wheeler (64:49)

Well, this is one of the reasons that I feel sympathetic towards these women. Why I can, yes, I will gently laugh at them because some of it's just funny. But also, I'm not going to ridicule and mock them on a deeper level because they're also victims. They have fallen prey to what's now 50, 60 years of this feminist narrative that's telling women to stop being women. It's telling women to try to do what men do, to try to think like men think, to try to act like men act, to try to speak like men speak. And it's constantly telling women, because you are the weaker sex, you are going to be taken advantage of. You are going to be oppressed, you are going to be controlled by the patriarchy. And to reach your full potential, suppress that desire to be a wife, suppress that desire to be feminine, suppress that desire to have children, suppress that desire to nurture those children at home. Your full potential is reached when you go cash a paycheck. That's where your true value is. And generations of women have fallen prey to that, because the societal pressure is incredible. But the result of that is exactly what you just said. I mean, I'm speaking to a group of young women tonight, and this is partially what my message to them is. You matter as a woman. Your womanhood matters. And to know what that means when I say your womanhood matters, you have to think, not just what am I supposed to do in my life, but who am I? And part of who you are. You are a woman. You are not a person who happens to be a woman. You are woman, and that matters. And I think our society, unfortunately, is reaping the sad results of when womanhood is desecrated at the very core.

Michael Knowles (66:13)

Why do you think women moved more in Trump's direction this time? Not just the married women who vote Republican, but even the unmarried women and even specifically younger women who we're told vote 100% in lockstep with the libs. Why did they move more in Trump's direction this time over last time?

Liz Wheeler (66:32)

Because women, regardless of their age, regardless of their situation in life, have to fill up their car with gas, have to buy groceries, have to pay rent, have to pay electricity bills, understand that we could be sent to war thanks to the feminists, just the same as our husbands and fathers and brothers and sons. And that Kamala Harris has brought us to the brink of war in Ukraine. And at the root, I mean, these radical feminists are of course on the fringe, these tiktoks that we've watched. But most women don't hate men. Most women want to love men. Most women want to honor and respect a husband and want to be in full communion with their spouse, a man. That is a natural desire that all women have. So we're not naturally bred to be anti man. We're not naturally bred to have this contention that's the result of original sin. You could say you can look back in Genesis and see that there's going to be conflict between the sexes, but that wasn't the original intention. That's not how we were made. And I don't know, it shows. It shows.

Michael Knowles (67:33)

It does. It does. Because sometimes in my experience with women, whom I really love very much, much more than the feminists do, I. I think the women will say they want one thing, but act as though they want something else. And men do this to some degree too. But I've noticed this with women. So the women will say, we want a female president and we want a man. We want a president like Kamala Harris and we want a man like Tim Walz. You know, we want a man like Doug Emhoff. We want a man like Pete Buttigieg. But do we? They don't. They don't. They never do. They might spout all that, but, you know, if the girls are in college and they have the choice between dating that really nice, liberal, sensitive man who wears the onesie pajama, who sips hot cocoa and talks to your uncle about Obamacare, or the quarterback on the football team. 100 out of 100 times they're going for the quarterback. So there's obviously a chasm between what people are telling themselves and what they actually feel and desire.

Liz Wheeler (68:37)

Yes. Because there's incredible social stigma. If a young woman who is a smart young woman who did well in school, who, who is socially charismatic, who is fit, if she is just like an all around, look at that girl type of girl, and she says, actually, guys, what I want the most is to get married. I'm hoping to meet the one. I'm hoping to fall in love. I'm hoping to be a bride. I'm hoping to pledge my life to this man. I'm hoping to have his children. I'm hoping to make a home for him, to be the heart of his household, to raise these babies, maybe to homeschool them. That's What I want in life. You. You would not believe the amount of social stigma that comes with that. And it's one of the. Again, I'm speaking to young women tonight about this very topic, and I'm going to. It's sad that I even have to give them permission to allow themselves to want that. Versus which STEM field would you like to succeed in? Because we now have a lot of token opportunities for you as a woman. Listen, I obviously do work outside of the home. You know this. We're friends outside of just being on each other's shows. We've worked together for a long time. But we are also personal friends. You know that I prioritize my family first, my children first, that I've turned down a lot of work opportunities, and I always will because I am going to be present to my children because that's what matters the most.

Michael Knowles (69:52)

I don't want to tell tales out of school or anything, but when you do go on the road, you almost always bring your family with you. Always.

Liz Wheeler (70:00)

My children are always with me. I've never gone on a trip overnight before without taking my children with me.

Michael Knowles (70:04)

Yeah, yeah, of course. Which is obvious.

Liz Wheeler (70:07)

They need the presence of a mother.

Michael Knowles (70:08)

Right. That is a good thing to do. It is something that you desire to do. It's a recognition. When I go on the road, I don't take my kids with me because you know what? My little kids, they actually prefer being with mommy a lot of the time than with daddy because men and women are different. Mothers and fathers bring different things to the table, and everyone knows that intuitively. When you were saying earlier, Liz, about the social stigma that all of this carries, I thought back to Harrison Butler's speech at Benedictine College where he said, you know, I think a lot of you, some of you are going to want to do careers, some of you women out there, but I think regardless of career or no career, most of you are going to want to be mothers and wives. And he was lambasted by the feminist leftist media. The women in the audience applauded. The women in the audience were cheering. They obviously agreed with Harrison. Now, before I let you go, Liz, we actually have to circle all the way back because this conversation has become too deep, too fluent, too serious. Which was your favorite TikTok?

Liz Wheeler (71:11)

Oh, my favorite TikTok is the girl that was, like, with her nails. That was the first. The long blonde hair. That was the first video of the forb movement that I saw. And I thought, oh, girl. My first reaction was, your terms are acceptable. This is a Good first step. Even if your motivation is not correct. It's also just something to me that these girls brag about being hoes. Like, come on, girl.

Michael Knowles (71:32)

Yeah, at least keep quiet about things.

Liz Wheeler (71:34)

Have a little dignity.

Michael Knowles (71:37)

My favorite is the last one. The girl at the end who she says, so angry. And then she admits. She goes, I'm probably gonna smoke cigarettes and get a tattoo today. She's admitting, people fall into vices and sins. Well, they do it when they're stressed or anxious or tired. But then the thing that sealed it for me. And again, I'm not saying this is my favorite because of the pain she's experiencing. It's just so explanatory. She says, yeah, and actually, coincidentally, my boyfriend and I broke up a few days ago. That has nothing to do with why I'm so mad right now. And I thought, like, oh, girl, you're just play that tape back to yourself.

Liz Wheeler (72:10)

And here's my question. Do people get tattoos as a stress relief? Do they just go out and act out and be like, my boyfriend broke up with me. I'm gonna get a tattoo. I'm feeling sad today. Let me get some more ink. Do people do that?

Michael Knowles (72:22)

I'm pretty sure I don't have any scientific studies on this. I'm pretty sure most teenage girls get their first tattoo specifically because they're having a fight with their father. I think that's maybe not 100% of the time, but at least 97%. Liz, I have to leave it there. Wonderful to see you, as always. Thank you for helping to guide these women of the 4B movement.

Liz Wheeler (72:48)

Thanks, Michael.

Michael Knowles (72:49)

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Hey, Michael, has Donald Trump officially beaten more women than Doug Emhoff? Okay, okay, come on. There was a Babylon Bee headline, Trump beats another woman. So Trump has beaten two women and Doug Emhoff. I was talking to Megyn Kelly the other night. Megyn Kelly said a guy who would raise his hand and smack a woman generally doesn't just do it once. So again, these are all just accusations, but they seem kind of credible. And so probably the answer, at least what Megyn Kelly was insinuating, because the answer would be no. But Trump has beaten the first two women presidents, the former future first women presidents. From Nicholas Michael, longtime listener to your show. Appreciate your insights. When I was a kid, my church was heavily politicized. Our priest condemned anyone that was not going to vote for Obama. My family has always been conservative. As an adult, my wife and I have settled on non denominational Christianity. Everywhere I go, I find politics invading religion beyond discussions on abortion or human rights, except for in my non denominational Christianity. My question to you is, does politics belong in a church? If not, is there a way to find parishes with no political leanings? If not, should we return to Catholicism? Thank you for your time. I think you will know as a mackerel snapper myself, that I would encourage you and everyone to come on over, swim the Tiber to the Catholic Church. But you raise this point, you say, okay, right now you're in a non denominational Protestant church and you like that they don't talk about politics. That's a problem. That was going to be a problem this election cycle. Evangelical non denominational Protestants had for a really long time been the backbone of the GOP strategy. They were rock ribbed. Many self identifying Catholics. People who don't practice the faith, who've fallen away, who deny the doctrines and the dogmas, they would split. I mean, half the Catholics basically were conservative and half the Catholics self identified Catholics would vote for leftists, even contrary to church teaching. But the evangelicals have been really strong until recently. They started to crack a little bit and go a little bit lib. And I think part of it is what you're talking about, which is that they say, well, we don't want to get involved in politics. That's not for us. What do I care who rules me so long as he doesn't make me sin? There's been a strain of that for some time. However, ours is an incarnational faith. Okay? We believe if you're a Christian, you believe that God takes on flesh and dwells among us. Okay, so you believe that faith looks like something that it takes place in history, in the fullness of time, and you believe that we're impelled to do things Sometimes there's a debate between evangelical Protestants and Catholics over the nature of justification, and it's usually just misunderstood. The evangelical Protestants will say that justification is by faith alone. Faith alone is a phrase that appears only once in the New Testament where it's condemned. But they'll say it's by faith alone. And even sometimes Catholics will say, we believe justification is by faith in works, which is not actually a Catholic teaching. And it leads to all sorts of misunderstandings. Really, what it comes down to, I think, and this is not an original idea, is that we're just using justification in different ways. So the Protestants are using justification to mean the way that we have sin wiped away and become righteous in the eyes of God. And so that. And they're saying you can't earn your salvation, which is obviously true. The notion that you can earn your salvation is an ancient heresy called Pelagianism, which was condemned by the Church many, many years ago. But when Catholics talk about justification, we're talking about a process that occurs throughout man's life that involves sanctification, that involves growing in virtue, that involves growing in holiness. And. And in that there is work. That occurs because, as James tells us, faith without works is dead. That faith looks like something in the world that. Yet we don't earn our salvation. God does everything. God gives it to us through his grace. But we are called to cooperate with God's grace. And this is all a long way of saying this theological disagreement or misunderstanding does play a role in the question that you're asking, because it means that we are called to do things in the world. We are called thanks to the grace that we've received. And in faith, we are called to actually do things. So when you see two candidates on a ballot, one wants to kill all the babies up until the moment of birth, One is the most pro life president we've ever had. You have an obligation to vote for the pro life candidate. You don't run to the hills. You don't say, oh, but he's so yucky, I don't like his ties or something. You have an obligation to live out your life of faith in time and space because you are an incarnate creature, and yours is an incarnate faith, an incarnational faith, so obviously incarnational that God becomes man and takes on flesh and dwells among us. Speaking of mackerel snappers, I am joined by my fellow papist. That would be Seamus Coughlin of Freedom Tunes fame. Of Timcast IRL fame. Seamus, thank you.

Ben Shapiro (78:54)

And also of Michael Knowles show fame. Let's not leave that out.

Michael Knowles (78:57)

Michael Noles, last but not least, of Michael Knowles show fame. Yeah.

Ben Shapiro (79:01)

Anytime I walk down the street, people stop me. You're the guy who did. Yes, no. On Michael Knowles show. Like, yeah, that's me.

Michael Knowles (79:07)

That's me.

Ben Shapiro (79:07)

Stand back, please. Paparazzi.

Michael Knowles (79:08)

No, stop asking me for that.

Ben Shapiro (79:10)

Crowding me. Exactly. Calm down. By the way, I appreciate the explanation you just gave. Obviously, there's differences between the Catholic and Protestant view of justification, but I think so often we talk past each other on what that actually means. And fortunately, there's this great book, the Bible, which is basically for those who don't know, a book that Christians have so that they can memorize specific verses to own other denominations and then just have those.

Michael Knowles (79:35)

That's the point of that. Right?

Ben Shapiro (79:37)

Of course. No, listen, we're all guilty of it. We're all guilty of it, which, it's not a bad thing to consult Scripture for apologetics, but we're all guilty of just having those verses that we always go back and then rattle off as if we have the whole thing memorized.

Michael Knowles (79:49)

You know, there's one line that I often go back to from Scripture, from the Old Testament, and I don't. I fear that I could be misinterpreted, and people think I'm being glib or something. I'm really not treating scripture in any glib way. But it's Leviticus 17:7, and the verse is, you shall no longer sacrifice your sacrifices to goat demons, after whom you whore. And it's an evocative verse and a provocative. And so that's why, you know, there is something. I like the bluntness of it, but it's also so real, it so resonates today because often in our popular culture, you will see actual goat demons and people literally whoring after them, and you just think, like, wow, the basics of human nature don't really change over time, and the basics of temptation don't really change. And maybe the Bible has something to tell you. Now, Seamus, you know why you're here. Yeah.

Ben Shapiro (80:38)

I mean, there needed to be some eye candy on this show.

Michael Knowles (80:40)

That was it. There was here. You are here as a thirst trap for the audience. You are also here to help me ascertain the fake headline amid all of the real headlines that the producers have found, because this is fake. Headline Friday.

Ben Shapiro (81:03)

So, Michael, I actually play this game every day of the week.

Michael Knowles (81:06)

Say it again.

Ben Shapiro (81:08)

So I actually play this game every day of the week, not just Friday. And all of them are fake. They're all fake all the time.

Michael Knowles (81:14)

None of it is true. You find your headlines from the New York Times and the Washington Post, right?

Ben Shapiro (81:19)

Yes, exactly.

Michael Knowles (81:19)

You make a good. That's a deep undercutting of the entire premise of this segment, actually. But I think there's biased.

Ben Shapiro (81:27)

I'm actually surprised you found a real one.

Michael Knowles (81:30)

Yeah, yeah. So I remind the audience, you don't say that one, you don't say number one. Number two, you have to say the whole headline because the chat's a little bit slow. Seamus. First one up. Donald Trump, the reincarnation of Adolf Hitler. That's actually a real headline for us. We see the reemergence of Donald Trump as a presidential candidate.

Ben Shapiro (81:53)

That's absolutely a real headline. That's a real headline.

Michael Knowles (81:55)

It has to be. Joe Biden captured biting babies at White House Halloween parties. Internet feels it's gross.

Ben Shapiro (82:03)

No, I saw that one. But to his credit, and I think the media needs to defend him more on this, that baby was dressed as a chicken. And he could have been confused.

Michael Knowles (82:10)

He certainly could have. Like a tasty little chicken. And he went right for the leg.

Ben Shapiro (82:15)

I just want to say it is no longer the case that Americans can say we don't have a president who has bitten babies on camera.

Michael Knowles (82:23)

He's historic. He's going down in history. Can't take it anymore. Woman who married herself posted about divorce within 24 hours. Her post prompted discussion. Okay, that's.

Ben Shapiro (82:37)

No, I'm leaning real. I'm leaning real.

Michael Knowles (82:39)

Real. Like it's a real satire headline. Like, I could see that as an onion or a Babylon.

Ben Shapiro (82:46)

Listen, reality is stranger than fiction, man. I have to hear the others before. Am I able to hear the others before I narrow down and give an answer? Do I have to give it immediately?

Michael Knowles (82:54)

No, no, no. You. There's one more. I'm gonna put that one in the maybe pile. Two more. Harris supporter burns down her own house in protest of Trump win, sets local park on fire. In Shelburne, Vermont, a woman was placed under arrest Wednesday night after.

Ben Shapiro (83:11)

I actually think that the woman marrying herself sounds like a more real headline because what liberals do is they go into poor neighborhoods and burn down people's businesses, not their own homes.

Michael Knowles (83:21)

That's a good point. And also, there's not a comma after VT in Vermont, so. Okay, I'm also putting that in the mail pile.

Ben Shapiro (83:28)

And it doesn't say mostly peaceful or anything like that.

Michael Knowles (83:31)

Right. How justified they were. Teachers seized disco equipment from 12 year old boy who hosted rave in school toilets.

Ben Shapiro (83:38)

That's true. That's absolutely true. I promise you that one's true. That has to be true.

Michael Knowles (83:43)

The teachers. See of all the other ones, Anthony's Catholic college in. Mm. Kath. Is it a. But would it be a 12 year old? Wouldn't be in college. But do they mean college in the European sense? Like a high school or a lower school?

Ben Shapiro (83:56)

Yeah, yeah. To me this one does not sound the least real of the rest of them.

Michael Knowles (84:01)

You think that one's fake? Okay, so all right, I'm narrowing it down to these three. The woman who divorced herself, which you say is real. The Harris sporter burns her house down, which you say is fake. And the teacher seizes disco equipment from a 12 year old boy. What's your take?

Ben Shapiro (84:17)

I think that the woman burning down her house in the local park is the fake one. I think the rest are real.

Michael Knowles (84:25)

Still torn. Divorce the toilets. But what's getting me is not even just the. I mean, your point is good that the libs prefer to burn down minority businesses in Chicago, but I always look for grammar and punctuation and I think there should be a comma after Vermont and there isn't. Which makes me think that Professor Jacob wrote this.

Ben Shapiro (84:52)

You sound like a White House representative. There was an apostrophe there.

Michael Knowles (84:57)

That's true. I sound like a Biden White House representative.

Ben Shapiro (85:00)

Exactly.

Michael Knowles (85:01)

All hinges on a comma.

Ben Shapiro (85:02)

It falls based on the grammar.

Michael Knowles (85:04)

Okay, let's. Let's go. Wow.

Ben Shapiro (85:10)

You won.

Michael Knowles (85:12)

We did it. We got it.

Ben Shapiro (85:14)

That's unfair.

Michael Knowles (85:15)

We got it. No, you got it too. Oh, oh.

Ben Shapiro (85:19)

We both got it.

Michael Knowles (85:20)

You agreed with me. We both got it. This was the one you said was fake, right?

Ben Shapiro (85:24)

Yes, of course.

Michael Knowles (85:25)

Yeah. Okay, so we got it. So then the question is the woman divorced herself. Yeah, she did.

Ben Shapiro (85:32)

Sounds about right.

Michael Knowles (85:33)

Is that New York Post or something? Looks kind of tabloid.

Ben Shapiro (85:37)

Do you think the kind of person who does that type of narcissistic thing is going to be easy to stay married to? Like she threw a wedding for herself.

Michael Knowles (85:44)

A great point. She probably. How long did it take? 24 hours? Yeah, in a way, I'm surprised it lasted that long.

Ben Shapiro (85:53)

I hope she can get the annulment and remarry.

Michael Knowles (85:57)

How does that work with the bishop? I don't know. Is that covered in canon law? This also the college thing.

Ben Shapiro (86:03)

What are alimony payments?

Michael Knowles (86:05)

This was the uk. It Was so. It was college. Look at that little kid. Look at that little DJ kid. That's Seamus. You've done very well. And producers, I'm just gonna blame it on Professor Jacob. You did not do well with your commas and your punctuation. Mr. Coughlin, first of all, everyone needs to go. Seamus has had cartoons coming out constantly during election week. So you gotta go to Freedom Tunes and you have to see Seamus, of course, on Timcast. But most importantly, you've got to see him on the Michael Knowles show. That's what the paparazzi come up to talk to him about. Seamus. That's true.

Ben Shapiro (86:40)

Everyone always mentioned it to me. My career has peaked. It peaked in that moment. Yeah, definitely. Check out Freedom Tunes first and foremost. If you want to see my more obscure, lesser known work, go over to Freedom Tunes, see some of the cartoons that I make. I think you guys will really enjoy those. We're creating media and entertainment. I think punditry is great. I love talking about this stuff. But obviously you guys at the Daily Wire also know what the conservative movement needs to be doing is create compelling media. And we've been doing that for years now. I think our product is fantastic. People love it. We get a lot of shares, hundreds of thousands of views per video. Go over there, subscribe. And if you want to help us make more, you can become a member@freedomtunes.com you'll be funding job creation for non woke, non leftist artists who would have to keep their mouths shut about their opinions at a normal studio in order to stay employed. So it's good work and it helps us build up the culture.

Michael Knowles (87:28)

And they're just phenomenal. They're just great.

Ben Shapiro (87:31)

Thank you.

Michael Knowles (87:31)

They've been bangers for years. They've been terrific and they only seem to get better. Seamus, thank you for coming on the show.

Ben Shapiro (87:38)

Thank you so much for having me. My pleasure.

Michael Knowles (87:40)

Now we're waiting on Mr. Shapiro. You know who else we're waiting on, though, is Dave McCormick, because the race was called. Bob Casey, the sitting Democrat senator in Pennsylvania, to my knowledge, at least, before this show, had not conceded. And we were waiting on a news conference that McCormick was gonna hold in Pittsburgh. Has the conference taken place yet? Do we have any update on Pennsylvania? No, of course not, because my producers are sitting in the control room making grammatical errors with their commas. Any updates? Bueller. Bueller. No. Okay. We're trying to get Seamus out of this control room.

Ben Shapiro (88:17)

All right, give me a second.

Michael Knowles (88:18)

That's going to be tough. That's going to take you hours. Raven's Asylum. One key 17. Dante is the inventor of the Italian language. It's a little overstated, but he did have a big, big effect on it, though, given Dante's view of language. Actually, he wouldn't call himself an inventor. He doesn't think language is the kind of thing that can be invented. He set out to create his own perfect language in De vulgari eloquencia, or to arrive at the rules that would get you to a perfect language. Kind of like medieval Esperanto. But then he gave up on that project. He actually kind of corrects it in the Divine Comedy. But I'm being pedantic. In large part, he is responsible for the language that is spoken as Italian today. J.J. triff, get him on DW Plus. I'm tired of memberships. That's a good idea. That'd be pretty fun, actually. Dave McCormick has not done a speech yet, but he plans to today. All right. It's happening at some point today. Who knows? Maybe it'll happen during Ben's show. JoshuaStevens8978 says everyone needs to unsubscribe from Freedom Toons. Yeah, that's right. Show that Seamus. You get him. I've been bugging Daily Wire forever to have a Freedom Toons show better than Family Guy, says Tyler H. Yeah, Seamus work is just phenomenal. If you are not subscribed, you certainly should. Freedom Tunes is great. Love the work. No homo, says flying Mayan. I vote for disco. Yeah, you guys. Well, you would have gotten that wrong. My work computer has Freedom Tunes blocked, says Will Wall. Where do you work? What kind of joyless office do you work at that is blocking the work of Freedom Toons? Is Kerry Lake gonna pull it out? Says Novus Ordo fan. Maybe. Maybe she will. We'll see. I mean, it's taking forever for the votes to be counted in Arizona. Took a long time in Nevada, too. And I hope there will be some kind of challenge from Sam Brown's campaign. I don't know. I mean, I haven't seen the latest numbers. Sniper. Look up Thanksgiving with Ben Shapiro. That was a particularly good one. Threat to democracy, of course, says the Senate. Not sure quite what that refers to, but I'm sure it's correct. It is an arson to burn down your own house, says sisu. Although it could be insurance fraud, assuming you have homeowners insurance. The other day I saw Winnie Cooper and the Mini Driver driving a Mini Cooper. It was lowercase mini driver, but it should say, the other day I Saw Winnie Cooper and Minnie Driver driving a Mini Cooper. That's a good. I like that. That's a real tongue twister. A little dated though. I'm not sure how many people remember Winnie Cooper and Minnie Driver these days. Love Seamus. Voted for Dave McCormick. The AP called it for him and Perry in Congress. But their competitors did not concede. Says Kekrov. Yeah, to my mind, Bob Casey has not yet conceded. I will see though. I guess he's denying he's an insurrectionist. He's denying the results of the election. We need more iPads, says conservative family. Did the show cover what happened to Sam Brown? Says Catherine. Well, we're still waiting to see what happened to Sam Brown. I mean, the race I believe has been called for Jackie Rosen, but it was real tight. There were still votes to be counted, so we'll see how that goes. I hosted Sam Brown on my show. I know Mr. Shapiro campaigned for Sam Brown out there in Nevada. It was one race a lot of us were really hoping would pull out for the Republicans, but it looks like it will not. I guess that might remain to be seen. I don't know. Let's ask Ben himself. Ben, what's going on in Nevada?

Dave McCormick (91:57)

So obviously the race is really close. Last time I checked is about a 12,000 vote margin in Nevada. There were some late dumps. Always, always, always from Clark County, I believe is what happened there. I think it's going to go to recount. I think there'll be some legal challenges in that particular race. It's going to be a little while until we know exactly who wins that race. Meanwhile, the election denial over in Pennsylvania continues where Bob Casey refuses to just acknowledge that he lost to Dave McCormick even though that race has been called with a, with a larger margin than the races that were called in Michigan against Mike Rogers and Wisconsin against Eric Hovey. Both of those races were within like 20,000 votes. McCormick's up 30 some thousand votes and all the areas that are coming in are ruby red. So that election is over, but Bob Casey refuses to acknowledge it. So, you know, in the end you're looking at a minimum of 53 Republican seats. Maybe you get Sam Brown, maybe Kerry Lake somehow pulls it out. Although I think she's down like 150,000 votes right now. In Arizona, 76% of the vote is counted over there. So that would be a bit of a surprise, obviously, but that's a big night for Republicans considering they were looking at a maximum originally of maybe 51. So listen, the winning has not yet stopped Susie Wiles as chief of staff is a win. I mean, it means that responsible people are indeed around President Trump. As you would expect, he actually wants to succeed this term. He doesn't just want. Want to meme. He would like to have an administration filled with people who are going to actually do things. I don't know. The optimism, it's an uncomfortable feeling for me, Michael. I don't know what to do about it.

Michael Knowles (93:14)

It's just happening now.

Dave McCormick (93:15)

You take some Pepto Bismol or something.

Michael Knowles (93:16)

I just have to wonder, though, when is Trump gonna start surrounding himself with strong, intelligent women? You know, this guy, this misogynist, he just refuses. Other than that time that his first campaign was won by the first female ever to run a successful presidential campaign, and then after that, the second campaign actually was wonderful by another strong, intelligent woman who is now the White House Chief of staff, to say nothing of the dozens and dozens of other strong women and intelligent women around him. I don't know. He's a confounding figure to this day.

Dave McCormick (93:48)

It's also upsetting. I mean, with the Dow Jones Industrial Average continuing to pile up wins, I was informed by all of the great economists that inflation and stagnation were on their way. And then it turns out that the markets totally disagree. Well, Michael, you know, we're going into the weekend in a good mood. I hope that you have a wonderful weekend. I still have to broadcast, so get the hell out of here. And I'm going to start my show.

Michael Knowles (94:07)

See you later. And I will see all of you later on Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show. See you on Monday.