Ep. 1875 - UPDATE: Two Mass Shootings, Brown Killer Still On The Loose

Summary

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The Michael Knowles Show – Ep. 1875

"UPDATE: Two Mass Shootings, Brown Killer Still On The Loose"

Release Date: December 15, 2025
Host: Michael Knowles

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Episode Overview

In this episode, Michael Knowles analyzes a series of tragic and violent events from around the world, focusing on political and cultural patterns behind mass shootings, terrorism, and social decay. The discussion traverses the recent Hanukkah attack in Sydney, a double homicide at Brown University, and the stabbing deaths of filmmaker Rob Reiner and his wife. Knowles criticizes Western leaders' responses, particularly their avoidance of "hard truths" about mass migration and ideological violence, and condemns what he sees as left-wing hypocrisy on political violence. The show concludes with a reflection on assisted suicide legislation in the UK, using it to critique modern liberalism.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Sydney Hanukkah Shooting: Who Is to Blame?

[03:10–10:40]

• Sixteen people were killed at a Hanukkah celebration in Sydney by a father-and-son duo, Muslim migrants from Pakistan.
• Knowles argues this is not surprising, attributing the attack to patterns of violence he believes are inherent in "mainstream Islam."
• He criticizes Western multiculturalism and mass migration policies, warning of "qualitative differences" in types of terrorism:

  "This sort of thing is sanctioned in Islam. It’s promoted in Islam in a mainstream version... This is stuff that is distinctive to Islam that you don’t find in Christianity..." — Michael Knowles [04:28]

• Knowles mocks the Australian Prime Minister’s response, which focused on even stricter gun control laws, calling it evasive and inadequate:

  "We are going to do every single thing that’s possible to do... Except for the thing that would stop them." — Michael Knowles [06:45]

• He links the attack to other anti-Semitic incidents in Europe and the cancellation of public celebrations in France due to terror threats, arguing that "mass migration of unassimilable cultures" is destroying Western freedoms.

2. Freedom vs. Security: The Hungary Example

[11:45–15:55]

• Knowles recounts a debate with a French politician about why conservatives admire Hungary, citing its immigration policies and resulting public safety:

  "If I go visit Budapest... I could walk down the street in my birthday suit with three Rolexes on each arm... Not one person would harass me." — Michael Knowles [14:24]

• He argues that public order is essential to true freedom, and that multicultural mass migration threatens this.

3. Brown University Shooting & Narrative Manipulation

[16:24–22:04]

• A shooting at Brown University leaves two dead, including Ella Cook, a 19-year-old Republican club vice president; the perpetrator is still at large.
• Knowles slams media and police confusion over the suspect and suggests the killing was likely ideological:

  "If there were an ideological motive, it would be from the left. I’m not saying there is... If there were, the only thing we know for certain... is that it would have come from the left." — Michael Knowles [18:25]

• He contrasts this with left-wing violence statistics and surveys, then mocks Senator Chris Murphy’s claim that Trump is to blame for violence:

  "He is one of the most nauseating politicians in the country. He’s like human vomit... He comes out... where nothing is known other than a Republican student was murdered. And he says, yeah, it was Trump’s fault." — Michael Knowles [22:04]

4. Erica Kirk Interview & Partisan Hypocrisy on Violence

[25:09–27:51]

• Knowles discusses Erica Kirk (widow of murdered conservative figure Charlie Kirk) appearing on Bari Weiss's CBS show, where an audience member asks her to condemn Donald Trump’s rhetoric.
• Knowles is appalled at the question, given that her husband was killed by a leftist:

  "Everyone involved in setting up this question should be ashamed of themselves... Sorry your husband got murdered... but will you disavow one of your husband’s close friends?" — Michael Knowles [27:51]

• He contends the responsibility to "bring down the temperature" lies with those "committing and defending all the violence, which is the left. It’s exclusively the left." [28:53]
• He revisits the attempted Trump assassination and notes the double standard in calls for de-escalation.

5. Rob Reiner’s Murder & Human Nature

[33:34–36:39]

• Filmmaker Rob Reiner and his wife are found dead, allegedly at the hands of their troubled son. Knowles contrasts left and right reactions to political violence:

  "Not one person on the right is happy about Rob Reiner being killed. In fact, everything that you’re seeing... is how sad they are." — Michael Knowles [36:15]

• Knowles recalls Rob Reiner’s humane response to Charlie Kirk’s murder, showing that personal decency can transcend political lines.
• He uses Reiner’s case to argue against "blank slate" liberalism, emphasizing original sin and the limits of nurture:

  "A very important lesson... sometimes you just get a bad kid... We don’t want to believe that... but sometimes you just get a bad kid." — Michael Knowles [37:40]

6. Assisted Suicide in the UK: The Logic of Liberalism

[45:17–46:35]

• Lord Charlie Falconer in the House of Lords debates euthanasia, supporting assisted suicide even for pregnant women, invoking Dutch practices where the fetus is terminated before euthanasia.
• Knowles finds this "revolting," using it to criticize the ideology of autonomy at the heart of modern liberalism:

  "Yes, these young, desperate pregnant women, let them kill themselves — and the disgusting little offspring, too... Those little vermin will only create problems for us. Let them all die; then we can eat cake." — Michael Knowles [46:35]

• He argues such policies are the logical outgrowth of Enlightenment thinking and individual autonomy.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On political euphemism after terror attacks:

  "We lose our freedom, we lose our way of life, we lose our whole countries... because the Muslims keep shooting them up... you can’t say that. And as a consequence... we lose everything." — Michael Knowles [10:35]

• On public safety vs. liberty:

  "If I don’t have faith in the orderliness of society... then I can’t really be free." — Michael Knowles [14:40]

• On left-wing violence:

  "Much of the left... celebrated [Charlie Kirk’s murder]. Many... excused it... People on tv said, ‘Well, he kind of had it coming.’" — Michael Knowles [32:40]

• On blank-slate vs. original sin:

  "Much of the modern post-Enlightenment project is just a denial of original sin... sometimes you have to protect yourself and society from those problems." — Michael Knowles [38:50]

• On assisted suicide and autonomy:

  "If we really own ourselves, if we really are our own gods... then why can’t we kill ourselves? You can already kill your kid... why can’t you kill yourself if you’re pregnant? This is the inner logic of liberalism." — Michael Knowles [46:30]

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Timestamps for Important Segments

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |----------------|---------------------------------------------------------------------| | 03:10–10:40 | Sydney Hanukkah shooting breakdown and criticism of migration | | 11:45–15:55 | Debate on freedom vs. security; the Hungary example | | 16:24–22:04 | Brown University shooting confusion and political implications | | 25:09–27:51 | Erica Kirk interview and heated reaction to partisan questions | | 33:34–36:39 | Rob Reiner’s murder, left vs. right responses to violence | | 37:40–41:45 | Critique of blank-slate liberalism; original sin | | 45:17–46:35 | Lord Falconer on assisted suicide; Knowles’ critique of liberalism | | 46:35–47:30 | Trusting tradition and intuition vs. the rejection of prejudice |

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Tone and Style

• Provocative and confrontational, with frequent use of sarcasm and hyperbole ("He’s like human vomit").
• Morally outraged, especially when discussing violence against conservatives and the treatment of victims' families.
• Philosophical, weaving in references to original sin, liberal individualism, and social order.
• Populist, with rhetorical appeals to "the wisdom of the ages," tradition, and “gut instincts.”

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Concluding Thoughts

Michael Knowles delivers a detailed, ideologically charged analysis of recent violent events and their roots in broader cultural and political trends. He stresses the failure of modern liberal policies and mass migration, argues for the necessity of tradition and "prejudice" (in the Burkean sense), and warns of the consequences of a society divorced from ordered liberty and the reality of human fallibility. The episode is a call to recognize uncomfortable truths in the face of tragedy, policy evasion, and ideological hypocrisy.

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Transcript

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[Michael Knowles]

A shooting at Brown University left two people dead. A shooting at a Sydney hanukkah celebration left 16 people dead. And a stabbing in Los Angeles left a major Hollywood star and his wife dead. All horrifying. Pretty grisly start to the week. Even more disturbing, however, than the innocent people who were murdered is the fact that our society consistently refuses to confront the guilty people who did and do the murdering. I'm Michael Knowles. This is the Michael Knowles Show, Perhaps. Welcome back to the show. Charlie Kirk's widow, Erica sat down for an interview on CBS with Barry Weiss. There was one question that was asked. It wasn't asked by Barry, it was asked by someone in the audience. That was completely revolting. It was just totally out of line and disgusting. And we'll get to that momentarily. First, though, I want to tell you about Armra. Go to armra.comknowles True self reliance begins with taking control of your health. 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There's an attack in a Western nation on Jews. Who did it? Who did it? I know you're not supposed to be prejudiced. I know you're not supposed to ever. Never come to any prejudgments. Who was it? You're right. It turns out that 100% of you, if you're being honest with yourselves, who guess that it was some crazy Muslims were right. It was. It was two Pakistanis. Sorry, you wouldn't just say crazy Muslims. You would say crazy Muslim migrants. And you would be right about that. It was a father and a son from Pakistan. Our strength more. Because that's what diversity is. It's our strength. So Australia imported some of our strength in. They enriched their culture with Pakistani migrants. And then the father and the son go out and shoot up a group of Jews. Now, look, crazy people exist everywhere and in every culture. The fact that it's a father and a son, I think shows the qualitative difference between Muslim terror and other kinds of terror. We'll get to other kinds of terrorism too. But. But the qualitative difference here is this sort of thing is sanctioned in Islam. It's promoted in Islam in a mainstream version of Islam. Killings of innocent people, spreading the faith by the sword. This is stuff that is distinctive to Islam that you don't find in Christianity. Sometimes you see weird aberrations and heresies and freak spinoff cults in Christianity that do bad stuff. But you don't see this kind of widespread mainstreaming. You don't see father, son terror teams who. Whose acts of terrorism are then celebrated more broadly. That's the qualitative difference. That's one of several. But it's a chief reason why it's probably not a wise idea for Western nations to import these People in en masse. The Prime Minister of Australia has come out. He said, look, we are gonna do everything we can to stop this. This was obviously horrific. There might have been some advance warning. There are reports that there was advance warning from Israeli intelligence. There are reports that there was advance warning from actually one of the rabbis who was killed asking the Prime Minister to pay attention to the Muslim problem. The PM says he's going to do everything he can to stop it. And here's what he's going to do.

[Australian Prime Minister]

And I want to conclude finally by saying that the government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary. Included in that is the need for tougher gun laws. And this afternoon at 4:00, I will put on the agenda of the National Cabinet tougher gun laws, including limits on the number of guns that can be used or licensed by individuals, a review of licenses over a period of time. People's circumstances change. People can be radicalised over a period of time. Licences should not be in perpetuity. And checks, of course, making sure that those checks and balances are in place as well.

[Michael Knowles]

Yeah, that's it. That's gotta be it, right? Crikey. Yeah. Well, you see here, I can't really do it on Australian accent. It quickly becomes a Michael Caine accent. But I'll bear with me. Anyway, the guy comes out and he goes, crock. Yes. Not a knife. This is not. That's not. You know, Australia has 11 million gun control laws where the real. We need 11 million and one. Australia has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country. Has some of the strictest gun. Sorry. In the entire world. And he says, yeah, we need stricter gun control laws. Yeah, you know, we need to take away licenses from people who've already passed the gun control checks to have guns because they can be radicalized over time. Okay, now we're getting closer. Radicalized by what? Radicalized by whom, pray tell? He won't say. Two distinctive features of this attack. The weapon used. Sure. And the kind of people who did it. The kind of people who pretty much always do it. Not always. Sometimes it's radical leftists too. We'll get to that in a moment. But. But generally, if you were saying, hey, close your eyes, there was a terror attack in a Western nation. Who did it? Close your eyes. You're right, you're right. Hey. There was an attack on Jews. Not just Jews. There was an attack on Jews. There was an attack on a Christmas market. There was an attack on just random Westerners walking around the street who Was it who did it? You're right. You're right. It was the guns. You're right. It was the guns that did it. They jumped up and they started firing off by themselves. What's so insidious about this is that I suspect the Prime Minister is not a complete idiot. So he's a deceiver. So he's lying. He's just. He's taking a big shovel, he's digging a lot of sand out and he's shoving his head right in and he's burying his head in the sand. That's what he's doing. I'll do every. Now listen here. I'll do every. I'm just gonna do Michael Caine, if that's fine. Cause I can't. I can't do an Australian. I don't know why I can't. Listen here. We're going to do every single thing that's possible to do. We're going to do everything to stop these attacks in the future. Except for the thing that would stop them. Except for the one thing that's totally relevant. Other than that. We're going to do every other thing. We're going to have buy one, get one, free coupons for dinner at the restaurants. We're going to do climate change. We're going to touch on every other political issue but the one. And it's the one that is, I think, most deeply felt by the people in these countries, Australia and Europe and the UK and America, which is the mass migration of unassimilable cultures that keep attacking us. Father and son, terror squads. The Methodists don't do that, do they? The Presbyterians don't tend to do that. Now, it's one group in particular that does that. So they won't do whatever is necessary. They'll do everything. They'll do everything other than the one thing that is necessary to stop it. So here's a little follow up to this. At Amsterdam, Amsterdam Royal Concert hall, there was a major protest, a Muslim, anti Jewish protest. I think there was some Hanukkah stuff going on, some Jewish cantors at the Amsterdam Royal Concert Hall. Then we turned from the Jews to the Christians. The French have had to cancel their New Year's Eve celebration on the Champs Elysees. They're doing this because of who. Because of who? Last year, the New Year's Eve celebration in France drew a million people. And they're still gonna have fireworks. But the authorities are urging the Frenchman to watch the fireworks on tv, not go out to the Champs Elysees. Don't look at the Arc de Triomphe, because why? Because who's gonna attack them? Is it going to be the Unitarians, The Amish, perhaps? No, it's gonna be this one group that Europe and Australia and just the west broadly has let in. This one group that's been trying to conquer France since the year of our Lord 732 and has been consistently desiring to overtake France. And now they're just being invited in for some reason. And now we can't have Christmas parades. Now we can't have New Year's celebrations. Now we can't go out. Now the Jews can't have their religious services. And. And more relevant probably to most of us, you know, we care about the Jews as a matter of justice and neighborliness, but at a more personal level. Now we can't have Christmas markets. You know why? Because the Muslims keep shooting them up. Now we can't have New Year's celebrations. You know why? Because the Muslims keep shooting them up. Is it's basically always the same people. But you can't say that. And as a consequence of that, we lose our freedom, we lose our way of life, we lose our whole countries. Because it turns out that people are not just undifferentiated cogs in a machine. You can't. As the liberal politicians throughout the west have said now for decades, they say, we're going to deal with the problem of declining birth rates among the native populations of our countries, and we are going to fix the economic problem of unsustainable entitlement programs by importing other kinds of peoples with other cultures, with other religions, with other behaviors. And then it's all gonna be hunky dory. And it turns out none of that works. And what actually happens is, rather than saving your country, it hastens its death. That's what happens. I had a debate with a French politico, won't say who, but I was at a social event with a French politico, and this French politico said, how come you American conservatives like countries like Hungary so much? Why do you love Hungary? And I said, well, because in Hungary, they've taken a stand against mass migration and against cultural transformation, and they've stood up for what they believe in. And as a result, I am much freer in Hungary than I am in other countries. They said, what are you talking about? They said that Viktor Orban, he's authoritarian. He's not. By the way. They said, this Viktor Orban, he's not liberal. That's true. He's not liberal. He's not liberal. How can the Hungarians be more free? I said, I'll tell you why. Because if I go visit Budapest, if I go visit anywhere in Hungary, I could walk down the street in my birthday suit with three Rolexes on each arm, singing out loud at 3 o' clock in the morning. Not one person would harass me, not one person would try to rob me. Not one person I might be, maybe would be arrested as I should be. But I could be in as vulnerable and precarious a position as possible. Even as a foreigner, as a tourist, no one's gonna bother me. That's freedom. And this French politician said no, no, no, no, that's not freedom. What are you talking. That's safety, that's security. But that's totally different from freedom. I said, is it really? I don't think it is. If I don't have faith in the orderliness of society, if I don't have faith that I can go out without being attacked or murdered or molested, then I can't really be free. And I certainly won't have the political freedom necessary to carry on my centuries long traditions. I can't have my Christmas market, I can't have my New Year's Eve celebrations, I can't go to school, I can't go to church. I can't do any of the things that constitute the real substance of my freedom that would be gone. There is a simple solution. When the Australian politician comes in, he says, I'll do whatever is necessary. There's one thing you could do. Stop the mass migration. Specifically of Muslims and Middle Easterners and South Asians who are unassimilable. Some are assimilable, but many are not. Stop the ones who are unassimilable. Reduce the mass migration. Cut it off. That would solve 92% of your problems. That's the one thing they won't do. 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It was less deadly than this horrific Hanukkah shooting in Sydney, but I think it's more disturbing to a lot of people. One cuz it's closer to home, but two, because we don't know almost anything about it. We were told first that there was a guy who'd been taken into custody and some guy's face was plastered. It's like a white guy with blonde hair plastered all over the news. And then it turned out that wasn't the guy. It was another guy by the same name. So then they plastered some other guy's face all over the news and he was at least a vaguely passively looking white guy with brown hair. They said this was the guy. They said he was in the army and he was this and he was that. Then it turns out that's not the guy either. Turns out Providence police arrested the wrong guy. They arrested their chief suspect and the actual perpetrator is still at large. Shortly we will be releasing the person.

[US Attorney General or Official]

Of interest who had been detained earlier today. And the Attorney General can speak a little bit about the rationale for that, but we want to inform the community that that individual will shortly be released from Providence police.

[Michael Knowles]

Come again? What? This shooter on campus left two students dead. Nine Others injured this Ivy League university. And what do we know? We know the first confirmed death was this Beautiful young woman, 19 years old, a sophomore, and her name is Ella Cook. And all we know about her is that she was the vice president of the Republican Club. Now we're starting to have some serious ideological concerns. We previously had concerns out of justice, out of charity, out of humanity, out of. Now we're starting to have ideological concerns. Brown is as left wing as it comes, even by Ivy League standards. Brown is insanely left wing. I don't think they have grades. I think you can pass, fail your whole time at Brown gets super lib. You have. One of the only prominent Republicans on campus is the first confirmed death. Was this a targeted shooting? Some of the reporting says that it is, but obviously the details are very, very unclear. They don't even know who the guy is yet. This is three months almost to the day after Charlie Kirk, the most prominent campus conservative speaker in the country, was murdered on campus by a radical leftist. So we don't know. I don't want to jump to conclusions here, however, based on the evidence that we have, the only evidence that we have, if there were an ideological motive, it would be from the left. I'm not saying there is an ideological motive. If there were, the only thing we know for certain about this shooting is that it would have come from the left. This, that would also fit a pattern. Prominent political voice on campus, attacked, killed, molested, harassed. Who did it? Close your eyes. You don't know any other facts. Who did it? You're right. Russell Kirk, one of the great conservative thinkers of the 20th century. Russell Kirk defended prejudice. And this was in the tradition of Edmund Burke, who is in many ways the founder of modern conservatism. Writing during the French and American revolutions, Irish, English, parliamentarian and Edmund Burke defended prejudice. Prejudice, not as an irrational animus, as a way to be a bigot or something like that, but prejudice is just the prejudgments that we all have. You gotta kinda trust your gut sometimes. Cause you don't have time to think everything out. Your prejudice is right most of the time. That's why we have it. Because we're not perfectly rational creatures and we just don't have time to write essays on everything and conduct studies before we have our breakfast. And it's just the case that everyone knows that when there's a major terror attack somewhere around the world, in a Western nation, a Muslim did it. And it's just the case that when there's an ideological attack in America, the left did it pretty much all the time. And by the way, this is backed up by social scientific data because we know after Charlie's killing there were multiple surveys about political violence, and the left consistently and dramatically was much more likely to justify political violence than the right. Chris Murphy, Democrat senator from Connecticut, comes out, goes on CNN immediately without knowing anything about this case, and apparently without knowing anything about similar cases, comes out and says that the shooting at Brown, in which we know the first confirmed victim is the vice president of the Republican Club, it's actually Trump's fault.

[US Attorney General or Official]

Not shocking, because over the last year, President Trump has been engaged in a dizzying campaign to increase violence in this country. He is restoring gun rights to felons and people who have lost their ability to buy guns. He eliminated the White House Office of Gun Violence Protection, and he has stopped funding mental health grants and community anti gun violence grants that Republicans and Democrats supported in that 2022 bill. So he has been engaged in a pretty deliberate campaign to try to make violence more likely in this country. And I think you're unfortunately going to see the results of that on the streets of America.

[Michael Knowles]

Chris Murphy is particularly bad. He is one of the most nauseating politicians in the country. He's like human vomit, if I had to be really blunt about it. He's just everything about him. And his political Persona is just disgusting and cynical and wrong and unseemly and unmanly and just every. He's this guy who, you know, he films himself doing these selfies tile askew. He says, guys, today was a really effing hard day. You know, he's just disreputable in basically every way. And this is a new low for him, I would say. He comes out after this campus shooting where nothing is known other than a Republican student was murdered. And he says, yeah, it was Trump's fault. The political violence is Trump's fault. President Trump, who had part of his ear blown off by a left wing assassin, one of whose supporters, Corey Comperatur, was killed in front of his wife and kids at a Trump rally by the left wing assassin, after Trump was then nearly assassinated again by another left wing assassin, would be assassin. Then after Charlie Kirk is murdered by a deranged left wing assassin who's apparently into trans furry LGBT people. This after deranged leftists have tried to kill other conservatives on campus, seriously injured people along the way. This after leftists burned the country down during blm. This after leftists came out and said of their own volition that they are Much more likely to support political violence than the right. This disgusting person comes on TV after this shooting. He says, yes, it's Trump's fault. There's no arguing with that. How do you argue with a guy like that? A man who is impervious to facts and who knows one thing, that he will oppose Trump and the majority of Americans who voted for him at all costs, blame everything on him without any evidence whatsoever. What do you do when a guy's first reaction to a shooting of kids at a school is to say, well, it's Trump's fault. In the face of all evidence to the contrary, it's Trump's fault. What do you do with a person like that? What do you have in common with that person? How does the center hold? I really don't know. Speaking of Charlie, Erica Kirk, Charlie's widow, went on Bari Weiss's show on CBS News, and she was asked a question that also really, really a lot to get our blood up on this Monday. Asked a question that I thought was so totally out of line, so totally missed the point. We'll get to that momentarily. First, I want to tell you about Chevron.

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[Michael Knowles]

So Erica has to go through this wringer because Erica is not only the widow of Charlie Kirk. And look, Charlie was a very public person who has been running for president since he was, like, two years old. Okay? He had a public career. He was the most important political organizer on the right, period, full stop. And so if you're gonna marry Charlie, you're gonna be in public life, too. And Erica did that, and she's done very well at that. Then after Charlie was killed, Erica said, okay, I guess I'm the only unifying figure to take over the mantle of tpusa. Okay? That requires one to go out publicly. And then Charlie had a book coming out. Cause Charlie was doing the job of, like, five men at any given time. And so he had a book that was coming out. Who's gonna step in for the book tour? Who's it gonna be? Who's the person closest to Charlie? It's his wife. So Charlie's Erica Rather is going out doing the book tour. Unbelievable strength. Unbelievable to have to do this while you've got. You're grieving your husband, you're trying to keep it together for your young kids. It's unbelievable. Superhuman. She goes out, she does this interview with Barry Weiss, who is, you know, she's on the left, but she's more amenable to people on the right. And she's taken over at CBS News. And the question didn't come from Barry. Exactly. Barry set up a question from someone in the audience that I found repellent. Erica, as you know, the last person that Charlie ever spoke to was a Utah Valley student named Hunter Kozak. He was asking Charlie a question that day when he was shot. And he's here tonight and he wants to ask you a question.

[Audience Member Asking Erica Kirk]

Hi there, Erica. I want to tell you how much I appreciate your calls for peace and unity. And I'm likewise horrified by the people in my so called camp.

[Michael Knowles]

You can feel the butt coming. You can feel the. But.

[Audience Member Asking Erica Kirk]

However, I believe that they stoke the flames of violence.

[Michael Knowles]

Uh huh. Get to it, get to it.

[Audience Member Asking Erica Kirk]

But even worse is when powerful, influential people on either side of the aisle stoke the flames. When they do it, the flames can become an inferno. And this leads me to Donald Trump, the most powerful.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, wow. What a surprise.

[Audience Member Asking Erica Kirk]

Who has more responsibility than anyone else to put the flames out? Just last month, President Trump called on six Democratic lawmakers to be tried for sedition, which he clarified was punishable by death. But any good faith effort to stop political violence must hold both parties to the same standard and expectation. So in that spirit, will you condemn the violent rhetoric of Donald Trump, the most powerful and influential person on earth?

[Michael Knowles]

Revolting. Everyone involved in setting up this question should be ashamed of themselves. And this kid should be ashamed of himself. Kid. Whatever, I guess. He's a grown man. Disgusting. Hey, Erica. Hey, Erica, sorry about your husband getting murdered by someone on my side. Hey, Erica, sorry that one of my ideological comrades murdered your husband and left your little kids without a dad. Sorry about that. But will you disavow one of your husband's close friends who one of my ideological comrades also nearly murdered over the summer? Hey, can you disavow your husband's really good friend, one of the men he looked up to, one of the men that he ultimately, I suppose, gave his life helping to get elected? Can you just talk about how evil he is for no reason in the face of all evidence? Would you mind doing that? By the way, sorry for your kids. Shut your Good grief, man. Good grief. Takes a lot to get my blood up. I'm real. I'm real low drama, you know, I keep a pretty. Pretty low heart rate. Disgusting. That guy should be ashamed of himself. What a revolting question from him. The premises are all off. No one has a greater responsibility to bring down the temperature than Donald Trump. I'm not sure. I think the people who have to bring down the temperature are the ones who are committing all the violence, which is the left, and the ones who are excusing all the violence, which is the left, and the ones who are justifying all the violence and celebrating all the violence, which is the left. All right, let's try to blow Trump's head off. Shoot. Oh, we're going to miss. We're just going to blow off part of his ear. Nearly had his brains splashed on the stage in front of the entire nation. Hey, Mr. Trump, can you please be responsible and bring down the temperature? Hey, I sorry that your head's bleeding. Can you please bring down the temperature? I thought we on the left demand that you bring down the temperature. Do you now? Do you? That's really interesting. Thank you for your thoughts. Thank you for offering your thoughts. Revolting. No one has a greater response. I think the people with the responsibility to bring the temperature down are the ones who are committing and defending all the violence, which is the left. It's exclusively the left. How about you bring the temperature down? And what was the point that he was trying to make that Trump said that these Democrats should be tried? So he's using hyperbolic language. He's saying they should be tried for treason. That's not the same as vigilante violence. He's saying these people should be prosecuted for committing crimes, even capital offenses. That's saying we need the justice system to work. We need the civil authority to work. We need to operate within a normal political order. That is actually the opposite of what the left is doing. That's the opposite of calling for political vigilante violence, which maybe this kid just doesn't understand. Maybe he's just not the brightest bulb in the box. Or maybe he does understand it and he's cynically conflating two not only different, but opposite things. In any case, to try to score some very cheap, cynical, disgusting political point and extend your 15 minutes of fame to 16 minutes by haranguing and prodding the widow of Charlie Kirk, the mother of Charlie Kirk's kids, who are gonna grow up without a father. Revolting. Everyone involved in that should be ashamed of themselves. Now, Speaking of how the right reacts to political violence, a good example, really, really sad story. Rob Reiner. You know Rob Reiner. Rob Reiner, very famous director, did a ton of movies. A Few Good Men, Spinal Tap. He's probably most famous. Cause he played meathead in all in the Family. You know, all in the. Like Archie Bunker. Archie Bunker who? For the younger kids in the audience, Archie Bunker was the first version of Cartman. You know, this kind of curmudgeonly right wing, seemingly somewhat bigoted, but lovable character. Rob Reiner played the liberal son in law. That's how he became really famous. His dad was Carl Reiner. Very, very famous Hollywood figure, Hollywood comedian. Anyway, Rob and his wife, 78 and 68 years old, respectively, were found dead, stabbed to death, I guess their throats were slit in their home. And the story gets even worse because it turns out that the guy who did it, according to People magazine, was allegedly their own son. Their son who suffered from. Well, suffered from and participated in and caused many of his own problems, but a lot of drug addiction, a lot of irresponsible behavior. So one difference here is when Charlie Kirk was murdered, much of the left, at every level, from elected office down to that girl you went to high school with, much of the left celebrated it. Some of your co workers celebrated it. Many people on the left excused it. People on tv, on msnbc, the Democrat analysts go on, they say, well, you know, this is what happens. That's what happens. Charlie spoke. That was it. He shouldn't have spoken the way he did. He kind of had it coming. So they defended it. Not one person on the right is happy about Rob Reiner being killed. In fact, everything that you're seeing on social media, public statements, is how sad they are. And to Rob Reiner's credit, Rob Reiner was a huge lib, no doubt about it. But he was very different from many people on his side of the aisle and in his party. Because after Charlie was murdered, this is. This is what Rob Reiner came out to say on Piers Morgan's show. When you first heard about the murder of Charlie Kirk, what was your immediate gut reaction to it?

[Rob Reiner]

Well, horror, Absolute horror. And I unfortunately saw the video of it, and it's. It's indis. It's beyond belief what happened to him. And that should never happen to anybody. I don't care what your political beliefs are. That's not acceptable. That's not a solution to, to solving problems. And I felt like what his wife said at the service, that the memorial they had was exactly right. And totally I believe, you know, I'm Jewish, but I. I believe in the teachings of Jesus, and I believe in doing to others, and I believe in forgiveness. And what she said to me was beautiful.

[Michael Knowles]

Okay, so really nice statement. You know, he was very much on the political left, and Trump drove him completely crazy. But you see this hint of normality to him. You see this hint of kind of normal humanity. I even love that line. He goes, I'm Jewish, but I believe in the teachings of Jesus. You say, like, I've heard this before. And I say, or, you know, I'm agnostic or I'm not religious or I'm, you know, some other religion, but I believe in the teachings of Jesus. And I say, yeah, keep going. Yeah, yeah, right. The teachings of Jesus are very attractive. Keep going. That's great. You know, you're really kind of rooting for the guy, and you can see this humanity bubbling over. And even more than in that video, talking about Charlie, which was really refreshing, as much of the left was celebrating or excusing it, you had this video. This video is now going around, which is Rob Reiner talking about a movie that he did with his son. His son who reportedly, allegedly murdered Rob Reiner and his wife, the boy's mother. This movie being Charlie, about drug addiction. And you just see this guy's love for his son pouring out in the interview.

[Rob Reiner's Son]

We didn't bond a lot as a kid. Like, he really liked baseball. I liked basketball, and he could watch that with my brother, but baseball. But I. I just. When I saw him do that, and it was something that I'm interested in, I was like, wow, like, he really knows a lot. And, like, it made me feel closer to him and be like, yeah, wow.

[Michael Knowles]

My dad's Rob Reiner.

[Rob Reiner's Son]

I never had thought about it. And then.

[Rob Reiner]

Yeah, it didn't cross your mind, right?

[US Attorney General or Official]

Never, never.

[Michael Knowles]

Never watched A Few Good Men. Didn't see that one.

[Rob Reiner]

No. But it's interesting that. That Nick would talk about it in that way because, yeah, we. We did share that experience. But, you know, even though I've had a lot of experience making movies, you know, and I said this to him many, many times, that he was the heart and soul of the film. So when it came to making the film deeper and better, I would have to really defer to him. I mean, even though I have had all this experience and making films, the core of this film, I really had to look to him. I relied on him.

[Michael Knowles]

Oh, man. It just breaks your heart because you see this. If you've been a dad, if you've ever been a son, you can see this father really longing to build up his kid. This kid who by all accounts was just a complete degenerate, a ne' er do well, who just was in rehab zillions of times, even as a teenager. And then later on, and, you know, he's sitting there. I've known a lot of kids of rich guys, and a lot of kids are famous guys. And, you know, sometimes they turn out all right, but sometimes they don't. And sometimes there's all this baggage that goes with it, and sometimes they're just bad kids, you know, and you see this. You see Rob Reiner here, who's a great filmmaker, and he's saying, no, but really, it was my son who was the secret to this movie. He did a great job. And, you know, he didn't. You know, it was Rob Reiner. It was the great Rob Reiner who made the movie. But he's just doing everything he can to give credit to his son and build his son up. And according to reports, you know, obviously it didn't work out very well in the end. And so, anyway, what's the political takeaway from this story? What's the public takeaway? What lesson can we learn about our lives and about how human beings work in the world from this personal tragedy? Because this is not a tabloid show. There are plenty of tabloid shows, podcasts, TV shows that exist just to gossip and talk about all sorts of prurient, scintillating things. That's not what we do. So what lesson can we take away for our lives? A very important lesson that a lot of people don't want to believe, especially in our modern liberal culture, is that sometimes you just get a bad kid. We don't want to believe that we live in the shadow of the Enlightenment, which tells us that all human beings are born as a tabula rasa. They're blank slates. And all that comes to us is a consequence of our individual choices and maybe some circumstances that happen to us. We deny original sin. Frankly, much of the modern post enlightenment project is just a denial of original sin. And so everything has to be daddy's fault or mommy's fault or society's fault or the system, man, or whatever. And it can never be the case that sometimes you just get a bad kid. Rob Reiner and his wife had multiple kids. They had three kids together. One of them turned out really bad, according to reports. Again, maybe the reports are totally wrong, but according to the information we have, one of them turned out really bad. That happens. And this actually ties in with the other stories we've been talking about. Sometimes. Sometimes people are just born with a lot of problems. And sometimes you have to protect yourself and society from those problems. Sometimes cultures develop with lots of problems, lots of bad proclivities that are not going to just go away with the magic wand of liberalism. They're not gonna just go away with the magical tin can. You have people in Somalia and they're basically all pirates and they don't build anything and the whole country is just run on fraud. And then you put them in this magical tin can and you fly them from Somalia to America. And then magically they become great American citizens. As American as apple pie, ready to invent the next Model T. That doesn't happen. The tin can doesn't work that way. And we have to recognize those differences. We have to recognize that sometimes we have to protect innocent people from people who, through personal weakness or through bad decisions, or through vice or through bad luck, just are a threat to them. And we forget that as a culture. It's one of the real lies of modern liberalism, which is ultimately Pelagian. You know, it says that we're all capable of saving ourselves and we just. On the right, you hear this with the pull yourself up by your bootstraps kind of rhetoric. On the left you hear this through the self actualization rhetoric. The idea that we can be whatever we want, even the opposite sex. But what all of that denies is that we're born with certain things, certain problems, one big problem in particular, which is original sin. And the denial of that has led to, I think, the corrosion of so much. Our understanding of national sovereignty, our role vis a vis other nations, the total corruption of our justice system, failures of our policing. It all comes from these problems. And you see them expressed in these hideous, horrifying personal accounts. Okay, you thought that all of that was the most disturbing stuff you're gonna hear today? How about a member of the House of Lords in the UK advocating for pregnant women to kill themselves? Cuz we're gonna get to that. Is there even like any slightly happy story today? No. There is one. Okay. I promise you one thing. Once we get through the most, one, the most morally repugnant things you've ever heard in your whole life, then we'll get to one happy story. Okay? 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No one is going to bring this legend to life with the scale and conviction it deserves. It was too big. It was too demanding. It was too risky. We built this company doing what no one else would. Now we're doing the same with entertainment. Christmas Day, All Access members see episodes one and two before anyone else. January 22nd, the seven part epic launches for all members. The wait is almost over. The moment Rise of the Merlin hits your screen, you will understand exactly why we went this big. Become a Daily Wire plus member now. During the Christmas sale, get 40% off new annual memberships. Dailywire.com subscribe My favorite comment yesterday is from Christopher Costello, 696 who says the devil's always proud of his work. So true. This in response to Tyler Robinson, Charlie Kirk's accused killer, who was smiling. He was smirking in court. Didn't seem to show any repentance on the one hand or innocence on the other. He wasn't there saying, I'm innocent, I'm innocent. Please, you've got it all wrong. He wasn't saying that because he did it. Nor was he saying, I'm sorry, I didn't mean I was a moment of madness. I'm sorry, please. I throw myself on the mercy of the court. No, he wasn't doing that either. He was sitting there smirking and Jack Posobic pointed out, you see what kind of tie Tyler Robinson was wearing? I don't think we have a picture of it. Baby blue and pastel pink. Who is the colors of the trans flag smirking there. Yep. Devil is always proud of his work. I agree. Okay. Lord Charlie Falconer, who is a life peer in the uk, so he's not one of these, like real aristocrats who, you know, he descends from, you know, the 9th century or something, maybe post Battle of Hastings, I don't know. He's not one of these medieval Renaissance kind of aristocrats, but he is a member of the House of Lords. He was made a life peer in the House of Lords. And here is what Charlie Falconer had to say about assisted suicide. Not only does he argue that the United Kingdom should encourage people to kill themselves when they're in pain, when they're suffering, when they're in despair, but furthermore, he says, even if a woman is pregnant, there's no reason for that minor inconvenience of a baby, an innocent little baby growing inside her, that's no reason and not to let the woman kill herself.

[Lord Charlie Falconer]

There is a big issue here. Other states around the world who have had assisted dying for some time, we have differences of view. In Oregon, since 1997, there is a requirement to keep the mother alive as long as possible, particularly when there is a viable fetus. In the Netherlands takes a completely different view and. And that is one of feticide, where the fetus has to be terminated by one means or another, often by intercardial injection of potassium chloride, before the mother can be euthanized. Which end of the scale does the noble and learned lord prefer these things? Because we are in a situation where the royal colleges are against this whole system and we are. We will be relying on them to fill in the gaps of this legislation. I think it is incumbent upon us to fill those gaps in for them because they're not keen on this.

[US Attorney General or Official]

Is.

[Lord Charlie Falconer]

And the noble lord puts it accurately, some countries have taken one view and.

[Michael Knowles]

Other countries have taken another.

[Lord Charlie Falconer]

It's clear from the choice that I.

[Michael Knowles]

Am supporting that we take the view.

[Lord Charlie Falconer]

That Pregnancy should not be a bar to it.

[Michael Knowles]

Pregnancy. So really well asked question. And then Lord Falconer comes in and he says, we are taking our view that of course, if a pregnant woman wants to kill herself, we should give her all the encouragement in the world. Forget about that little innocent baby growing inside her. Forget about. No. And in fairness, why not? You find it ghastly. I find it ghastly. Anybody with an even slightly functioning moral core would find it ghastly that the political leadership, the supposedly elite political leadership, the House of Lords, which for quite some time now has not really functioned as a true House of Lords because it's been democratized, but the House of Lords would come out and endorse something like this. Yes, of course we should encourage people to kill themselves if they're having a bad day, they have a case of the sneeze, or if they're just a little too poor. We should have them kill themselves, of course, and then we don't have to worry about them anymore. They're creating all these problems for us. Go, let them all, don't let them eat cake, let them eat poison. And then they can drop dead and we don't have to think about them anymore. That alone is quite ghastly. But then down on top of that, yes, these young, desperate pregnant women, let them kill theirselves and the disgusting little offspring too. Those little vermin will only create problems for us. Let them all die, then we can eat cake. We find that very, very ghastly. If you have any, if you're not a complete sociopath by nurture or nature, then you find that horrifying. And yet, I don't know, we defend murdering babies on the basis of nothing other than the whims and caprices of the mother. So I don't see why the pregnancy part is a problem. And we defend a view of human nature which says that the most important thing is to be fully autonomous, to be our own gods, to self actualize. And so if we really own ourselves, if we really are our own gods within our own spheres, then why can't we kill ourselves? You can already kill your kid. You're already in control of every single thing about your life. You're already said to own your life, so why can't you kill yourself if you're pregnant? This is the inner logic of liberalism. That's the inner logic. And now you're just seeing a working out of that inner logic. And the fact that you find it so revolting, I think is something you should trust. You should Generally speaking, trust your prejudices. You should subject your prejudices to reason now and then when you have a moment. Because sometimes our prejudices are wrong. We have original sin after all, you know, this is a fallen world. We sometimes get things wrong. However, the wisdom of the ages, tradition is pretty reliable. And so when someone says to you, hey, what do you think? We have this really good idea. What if we flood your Christian country with a ton of bloodthirsty Muslims? Do you think that's a good idea? And you say in the back of your head you say, well, that seems like kind of a bad idea. But I mean, I don't know, I don't. I mean, I haven't written a scientific paper about it, you know, and I certainly don't want to seem like a racist or an Islamophobe. So yeah, bro, bring em in. When you deny your gut instincts, when you deny the wisdom of the ages, when you deny the wisdom of repugnance and prejudice, usually it messes you up. Likewise, you say, hey, what do you think if we encourage poor desperate women who are pregnant to murder themselves and their innocent children, you know, just to commit suicide, and we'll have the government encourage it and in some cases even pay for it. What do you think about that? Say, well, you know, that seems pretty bad, doesn't it? Seems like maybe the most evil thing I've ever heard of in my whole life. But I mean, I'm not a scientist, I don't have a lab coat, I'm certainly not in the House of Lords. So I don't want to seem like I'm prejudiced or anything, or bigoted or maybe you should, maybe you should because you don't have a lot of time. We can't all obtain all of the scientific training and credentials and everything we can. Our stocks of reason are relatively small. So that's all. We either have that to go on. The wisdom of the ages, just prejudice, tradition, things that have worked in the past, or we have nothing to go on, or there's no alternative, or we have nothing else to go on. And when we go on, nothing else, very bad stuff fills the gap. Actually, you know what fills the gap is hordes of people who want to kill us and who have already succeeded at destroying our political traditions and our social order and suicide. But I guess those are really ultimately the same thing. Today's Music Monday, the rest of the show. Oh, hey, I said there'd be a good story. I promised. I don't want to be a liar. The Conservative candidate Beat the communist candidate in Chile. It's not a minor one. It's not. Maybe it's not top of your list, but yes, the right wing candidate Jose Antonio cast beat the communist candidate Jeanette Harrah in Chile. We'll get to more of that story tomorrow. Little bit of political hope, though. Okay. The rest of the show continues now. You don't want to miss it. Become a member Use code knowles canada be really has a checkout for 2 months free on all annual plans. All of this is an illusion. An echo of a voice that has died. And soon that echo will cease.

[Narrator of Pendragon Cycle]

They say that Merlin is mad. They say he was a king in Doverd. The son of a princess of lost Atlantis. They say the future and the past are known to him. That the fire and the wind tell him their secrets. That the magic of the hill folk and druids come forth at his easy command. They say he slew hundreds. Hundreds. Do you hear that? The world burned and trembled at his wrath.

[Lord Charlie Falconer]

The Merlin died long, long before you.

[Michael Knowles]

And I were born.

[Narrator of Pendragon Cycle]

Merlin. Emrys has returned to the land of the living.

[Michael Knowles]

Vortigern is gone.

[Lord Charlie Falconer]

Rome is gone.

[Michael Knowles]

The Saxon is here.

[Narrator of Pendragon Cycle]

Saxon Hengist has assembled the greatest war host ever seen in the island of the Mighty. And before the summer is through, he means to take the throne. And he will have it if we are too busy squabbling amongst ourselves to take up arms against him. Here is your hope. A king will arise to hold all Britain in his hand. A high King who will be the wonder of the world.

[Michael Knowles]

You.

[Australian Prime Minister]

To a future of peace.

[Lord Charlie Falconer]

There'll be no peace in these lands till we are all dust.

[Michael Knowles]

Men of the island of the Mighty, you stand together. You stand as Britons. You stand as warned.

[Narrator of Pendragon Cycle]

Great darkness is falling upon this land. These brothers are our only hope to stand against it.

[Michael Knowles]

Not our only hope.

[Australian Prime Minister]

The same.

[Narrator of Pendragon Cycle]

Earthen sluice. 70 men with his own hands.

[Michael Knowles]

I ca. He slew 500. No man is capable of such a thing. No mortal man.