Steve Bannon (4:20)

Potentially one of the bad things to teach children is how to write. Writing, reading, and arithmetic was supposed to be. Everyone's supposed to be taught. But writing forces you into a very narrow channel of thinking. You have to write certain. In a certain form, in a certain way, in a certain linear pattern. So your thinking becomes somewhat narrow. The most interesting, the reason I brought up writing is one of the recent discoveries of mine with respect to Socrates, Plato's and Aristotle is they never wrote anything. They spoke. And people around who could write, wrote, Socrates could think. So that was Jesus of Nazareth was the same way.

Michael Knowles (5:03)

Right? Never wrote anything.

Steve Bannon (5:05)

I thought he was a carpenter.

Michael Knowles (5:07)

He was a carpenter.

Steve Bannon (5:08)

Didn't he need, like, a little carpenter's tonight?

Michael Knowles (5:10)

I don't want to get that. At least his written record. One last thing.

Steve Bannon (5:15)

Thank you for having me to your house.

Michael Knowles (5:23)

Okay, so I have three takeaways from this brief clip. One, he doesn't know how to respond when Bannon brings up Christ. That was a little freaky. You know, we've talked about occult aspects of the Epstein operation. The weird pagan Looking temple on the island and some of the weird rituals and practices that are referenced in some of these emails and by some of the people who were in the emails. And, you know, he reacts in a way. It's not even spooky as much as it is goofy. I thought he was a carpenter. What does he need? Little carpenter's tools? What? Very odd. Not odd, actually, if you read the Bible, because the name of Christ does scare demons. It kind of freaks them out. They don't know what to make of it. But the second thing that strikes me is that this guy has a very silly voice. You would expect. I would have expected Jeffrey Epstein. This guy, lots of money, harem of women, some of them underage, but some of them above age, just like women, money, yachts, booze, fancy people, billionaires and statesmen and scientists. All these people all around him. You'd kind of expect him maybe to sound like James Bond or something, this international man of mystery. And yet he sounds like a slightly dodgier Woody Allen. Like a more morally suspect Woody Allen. Well, Steve, it's funny. You. He sounds like Dr. Fauci. Did you. Can you just play me, like five seconds of that clip? Can you? Am I mistaken to say, potentially one.

Steve Bannon (7:09)

Of the bad things to teach children.

Michael Knowles (7:11)

Okay, okay. All right, pause it right there. So it's more Woody Allen than Dr. Fauci. Potentially one of the bad things, but it's still got a little bit of that ductifurchy. Because if you just lower it a little bit, potentially one of the bad things to teach children. Is that you good to go to. Bah. So he sounds. Look, I guess he's a New Yorker. All right, there you have it. He sounds goofy. The words he says, his responses to questions are kind of goofy. He's not as quick on his feet as you would expect. His voice sounds kind of goofy. And then. Hold on, let me get back to the first claim he made. He said we shouldn't teach children to write because the smartest people in history, Socrates, Plato and Aristotle didn't write. There's just one problem. Plato and Aristotle definitely wrote. They wrote a lot. They sort of famously wrote. Socrates did not write. That's true. Socrates we know of really is a character from Plato's dialogues, and he had conversations with people in the city. Plato for sure wrote. He wrote a lot. Aristotle wrote. Some of what we have of his is his notes, like his lecture notes and things that people wrote about him, but they wrote. So he's just wrong on a basic fact about two of The Three Foundations of Western Philosophy. Which means Jeffrey Epstein is not that smart. He's kind of goofy. He gets kind of flummoxed. He's not that smart. Now, he obviously had a certain genius, but he's not the global international super genius you might expect. Which seems to lend credibility to something more going on behind the scenes. Now it's worth pointing out Jeffrey Epstein ostensibly is a Wall Streeter. And Wall Streeters are not necessarily that smart. Wall Streeters are very good at making money. That is a specific skill set. It does not imply that you know anything about Plato and Aristotle. It does not imply that you are a particularly deep thinker. It just. It can. There are intelligent Wall Streeters, but it's not a one to one. So it could just be that he's kind of a bruiser Wall Streeter. I mean, some of the guys in sales and trading around the floor of the New York Stock Exchange, they're tough guys. They're the kind of guys, you know, if they weren't working there, they'd be working in a butcher shop in the Bronx or something. So it could be that he's just that guy or it could be that he's a stand in for some larger systems. At the very least, I think what we can conclude is he is not in himself some super genius. He's an influence peddler. He gets himself a spot on the Trilateral Commission because he's friends with David Rockefeller. And then he gets a spot on the Council on Foreign Relations. And then he's just moving in these circles with all sorts of the Clintons and the Rothschilds and the Trumps and the. Everybody, just everybody and the Musks and Silicon Valley and this and that and this and that. He's just moving with everybody. The Israelis and the Arabs and the Russians and the Americans and just everybody. He's an influence peddler. So this is the question. Who is Jeffrey Epstein? There seem to be four buckets of stuff that we learned from the files that we already knew, by the way, about Jeffrey Epstein. There's the finance bucket. There's the politics bucket. There's the weird sex bucket, obviously. And then there's this last thing. There's the science bucket. Jeffrey Epstein founds an institute, Santa Fe Institute, it's in the Bannon interviews to pick up a bunch of scientists at the end of the Cold War. Because they had been nuclear scientists working during the Cold War. They were out of work. He wanted to scoop them up. He's palling around with a lot of people from Harvard and mit. He's very interested in things like string theory and it's weird. So the question for people is how do these things fit in with one another? And who is he? I will go very quickly through the Epstein files that most stood out to me. That includes links to the Russians, to the Arabs, to the Jews, to the Syrians, to the Americans, to the Brits, to the everybody to the CIA, to the FBI. How much time do we have and what new things have we learned? We will get to all of that. First though, I want to tell you about Cowboy colostrum. Go to cowboycolostrum.com Knowles K N A W L E S if you finally want to fix your gut, make your hair healthier and stronger, and add some glow to your skin this year, you need to add colostrum to your daily routine. Our sponsor, Cowboy Colostrum offers the highest quality bovine colostrum available in the US made entirely in America from 100% grass fed American cows. What sets Cowboy apart from other brands is that it's true. First day, whole colostrum packed with bioactives like immunoglobulins, which you're not getting nearly enough of and growth factors. 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How is Jeffrey Epstein getting appointments with Putin, the at this time leader of Russia for over 10 years? Is he? Okay, let's just put this in the column of maybe he was working with the kgb. If he's a super spy, maybe he was working with the Russians. Next one. This is an email from a sultan in Dubai. Sultan bin Sulayem, a big business leader in Dubai. Dear Jeffrey, I'm attaching some media clipping regarding the Israeli operation in Dubai. I will call you around 7pm Eastern Time. What happened doesn't help anyone. This is From Wednesday, September, February 17, 2010. I don't remember this particular Israeli operation in Dubai. There. This would seem to imply that Epstein is either working with the Israelis. He's saying, hey, I wanna talk to you about this Israeli operation. Okay? Maybe he was working with the Israelis. It might also imply Maybe he was working with the Arabs. Why is the Sultan reaching out to Epstein? Is Epstein a go between. Between the Arabs and the Israelis? Next one. This is an email from Jeffrey Epstein to Blank. He passed away. It says, Robert Maxwell threatened Mossad. And there are all sorts of weird typos and kind of odd formatting errors, maybe just in the way these emails were exported. But Robert Maxwell was the spy, reportedly a double or possibly triple agent for Israel and Russia and maybe the British, who had a big media empire. He was the father of Ghislaine Maxwell, who was the girlfriend and madam for Jeffrey Epstein. And Robert Maxwell died under various suspicious circumstances and got a funeral in Israel. So Robert Maxwell threatened Mossad, writes Jeffrey Epstein. He told them that unless they gave him £400 million to save his crumbling empire, he would expose all he had done for them. In that time, he had free access to Margaret Thatcher's Downing Street, Ronald Reagan's White House, to the Kremlin, and to the corridors of power throughout Europe. Maxwell passed down all the secrets he learned to Mossad in Tel Aviv. In turn, they tolerated his excesses, vanities, and insatiable appetite for a luxurious lifestyle in women. He told his controllers who they should target, how they should do it. He appointed himself as Israel's unofficial ambassador to the Soviet bloc. Okay, so we don't know who this is to. This could insinuate that Epstein had a relationship with Mossad. It could insinuate that he didn't really. Maybe he was not particularly pro Israel in as much as he's accusing Israel of murdering Robert Maxwell. Robert Maxwell, who had been working with Israel and I guess the Russians and the Americans and the British. Was he a quadruple agent? Next one, from Jeffrey Epstein to Joy Ito. Epstein writes talk today. He says my schedule's a bit crappy, but I could call from the car. Where will you be, by the way? I'm trying to get a friend at a prison in Syria. You don't happen to have anyone with influence over Assad, do you? And Jeffrey Epstein responds, not for email. This is one of my favorite emails in the entire batch. And actually there are a number of emails like this. Not for email. All the stuff this guy is emailing about, weird sex stuff, international intrigue between, really every sector of the entire globe. Scientific secrets. Did I mention weird sex stuff? All the stuff Jeffrey Epstein emails about joking or not joking about killing people. And yet Jeffrey Epstein knows some things are really not to be put in writing, including, do you have influence over Assad? He has influence over Assad now, is he working for the Syrians? If Jeffrey Epstein knows that some things are not for email and his emails are this titillating, what on earth is not in the emails? And what influence did Jeffrey Epstein have over Assad? Okay, now let's try to nail in on which intelligence agencies, if any, he was working for. Here's an email from a guy named Greg Brown to Jeffrey Epstein. Jeffrey, this is from 2011. Understood. Remember, there are already $80 billion in frozen assets internationally, of which 32 billion are in the US. It's estimated that the real number is somewhere to four times this amount in sovereign stolen, misappropriated assets. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. They're talking about Libya, right during that Libya operation. Look at all this Libyan money that's up for grabs. Now here's the key. They're talking about the law firm they've retained. It would be to our advantage to pay them on an hourly basis and initially go after the low hanging fruit, which would enable us to keep more of the money. I also have friends formally. I don't know if it mean formally like officially or formerly, because there are a lot of typos in these emails. I also have friends formerly with MI6 and Mossad willing to help identify stolen assets and help them get recovered. This is a weird email because the claim that we've been hearing is that Jeffrey Epstein worked with Mossad and maybe with US Intelligence and maybe with Russian intelligence and who knows, maybe with allied intelligence generally. So that would include MI6. So if this guy is emailing Jeffrey Epstein, why would he have to say, well, hey, look, I know some people in Mossad that would seem to imply that Epstein's not Mossad. Gets even more complicated. Jeffrey Epstein writes a letter to the CIA under the Freedom of Information act asking for any information the CIA has on him. But Epstein doesn't write the email himself. I gotta give a hat tip here to Mike Benzion. Mike Benz identified this email. I'm in the 3 million. He writes the letter from his lawyer. So it would not necessarily come out that Jeffrey Epstein had requested this file. And the lawyers say, hey, we want. Well, we don't know exactly what the lawyers requested. We do, however, know the CIA's response. And this is very, very interesting. Let's pull up the CIA's response. Do we have it? Okay. Dear Mr. Weinberg, Epstein's lawyer, on July 25, 2011, the office of Information Privacy Coordinator received your letter request providing additional information pertaining to your client, Jeffrey Epstein. Okay. Since you have provided the necessary information we processed Mr. Epstein's request in accordance with the Freedom of Information act and the Privacy Act. We searched for CIA originated responsive records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation existing from November 5, 1999, the date of our previous acceptance letter to July 25, 2011, the date we accepted Mr. Epstein's current request. We were unable to locate any information or records that phrasing. We searched for CIA originated responsive records that might reflect an open or otherwise acknowledged agency affiliation between 1999. Well, from 1999 to 2011. Okay, open or acknowledged. Well, we know that a lot of what the CIA does is not open or acknowledged. Why is Jeffrey Epstein requesting this information from the CIA in the first place? If there's just nothing in there? Why would he? And what specifically did he request? Did he say, is there any open and acknowledged relationship between you guys and me? They go on. The CIA says with respect to responsive records that would reveal a classified connection to the CIA in accordance with section3.6 of Executive Order blah blah blah, as amended, the CIA can neither confirm nor deny the existence or non existence of records responsive to your request. The fact of the existence or nonexistence of requested records is currently improperly classified and is intelligence sources and methods information that is protected from disclosure by this section of the CIA act of 1949. We can neither confirm nor deny. Which is the CIA's response to just about everything. What is this about? Mike Benz made this great. Mike Benz, who's been on this show before, made a great point. He said, you know, the way Jeffrey Epstein is requesting this information is basically the way that CIA personnel request personnel files. Previously, according to some of the Epstein files, he had bragged about having a relationship with the CIA, working with the CIA. However, after that time, he denied it. Why did he deny it? Was he perhaps assured that there was no public relationship documented between Jeffrey Epstein and the CIA? Was he? Who was this guy working with? All right, one last thing from the Epstein files that are going viral right now. It's FBI interviews. This has the most salacious suggestions and accusations in it. We'll get to that momentarily. First, I want to tell you about Done with debt. Go to donewithdebt.com Are you drowning in credit card and loan debt after the holiday season? You're not alone. But here's something most people don't know. 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That is donewithdebt.com no more annoying phone calls. No more putting it off. No more sleepless nights. Done with Debt. So the most salacious accusations rather, that come out of the Epstein files come from FBI interviews. So the FBI interviewed one person in particular, One or two people in particular. And here are some of the claims. George H.W. bush, like, raped a baby or something like that. George Bush and Bill Clinton raped someone, I think, at the same time. Epstein and Clinton raped a guy at the same time. There's another one. It was like Bush was raping someone or eating a baby or something while Trump watched or something. Like you say, wow, that's really crazy. And then you get to reports, oh, sorry, Redacted stated all of the above incidents were, quote, recovered repressed memories until he began therapy sometime in 2016. Approximately. Redacted offered no supporting or corroborating evidence or witnesses that could be contacted. Redacted appeared to be emotionally unbalanced and not intoxicated at this time. It is not recommended that any additional investigative resources be expended concerning Redacted's claim. Okay, okay. There is a fair bit of this kind of stuff in there, which is like, person who does not appear to have any credibility makes crazy claims. Like, long after the Epstein scandal breaks and the FBI is even joking about it, in some cases, they say, oh, wow, Bush raped him with Clinton and Trump. And oh, wow, that's amazing. And some people who I think are a little more credulous and fair enough, they recognize that a lot of our global elites are complete degenerates, but they just take all of this at face value. You can't take anything at face value when it comes to the Epstein case. The one thing we know for sure about Epstein is that he was deceitful that he's morally not quite right, that he slips around, He's a master of disguise. And we know that people make all sorts of crazy accusations. Okay, I want to bring this full circle. What did I say at the top of the show? I said I've never been more vindicated in my prediction about Epstein, because what did I say when the Epstein stuff all kicked off again? I said, guys, you are wasting your time. Maybe I should kick myself because I spent a lot of time over the weekend on this. I said one of two things can be true about Jeffrey Epstein. Either he's exactly who the mainstream tell us he is. You know, he's just an eccentric rich guy who coincidentally was friends with all the influential people in the world. And that's it. That's all. That's all there is to it. Nothing. Oh, and then he killed himself in a prison cell. Oopsie. And then the cameras went out, but they didn't go out. But then they did go out and actually, never mind. He's just exactly who he says he is. Either that is true or Jeffrey Epstein was something a little bit more than that. But in the first case, let's say he is exactly who the mainstream tell us he is. In that case, we already know everything we're going to know about Jeffrey Epstein. In the case that Jeffrey Epstein is a little bit more than that. I want you to listen to this very carefully. We already know everything we're ever going to learn about Jeffrey Epstein. I know. It's a very unpopular observation. I am so vindicated on this. 3 million documents just came out. What significant new finding is there in the documents? Oh, there's this titillating story about Bill Gates. Yeah. Oh, really? Interesting. Well, he. Did you know he was talking to the Arabs, Actually? Yes, I did. Did you know he was talking to the Israelis? Yes, I did. Did you know he was talking to American intelligence? I did. Did you know? We all knew all of that. We all knew all of that. So there's. There are more titillating examples of this. What significant new finding for the people who come out and say, why don't we talk? Why don't we do something? Do what? Do what? Do what? What new finding is there, folks? They passed a law in the early 90s that said they had to release all the Kennedy files. Remember this? John F. Kennedy assassinated in the 1960s. And then all the files didn't come out. And then they passed a law. They said the files have to come out. And then they blew past the deadline and we still don't have all of the information. The idea that Jeffrey Epstein would have been operating from the 80s or earlier through the mid-2000s, before he's arrested on the sex stuff, that he would be operating with all these players in the world, and then he'd get arrested, he'd get some sweetheart deal, and then he would get arrested again a decade later, more than a decade later, and then all of the files incriminating him and everyone around him would just continue to exist. That is an absurd notion. I'll tell you the one thing, the real concrete thing that people want to know, the one real concrete thing they want to see what happened in that prison cell. If we could see, conveniently we can. If we could see what happened in that prison cell, that would help to clarify a lot. Did he kill himself? Was he killed? Was he smuggled out of prison? I don't know what happened in that cell. We don't know. A lot of people think he's probably more than he made himself out to be. We don't know exactly what that is because he doesn't seem to be that smart. And he. I don't. He seems mob. It's not just that. He doesn't seem mobbed up with intelligence. He seems mobbed up with all the intelligence. Not even just US Allied intelligence, like Russian intel, like everybody. But what did I predict? I said, if he is more than what he says he is, then you already know everything you're ever gonna find out about Jeffrey Epstein. Every substantive significant thing. I am right. People are angry that I am right about that, but c' est la vie. Okay, let's move to something. It also involves weird sex stuff, but it's closer to home. A detransitioner just won a $2 million judgment against her doctor for transing her as a kid. A 22 year old woman who identified as a boy when she was a teenager, won a $2 million decision in New York of all places, against doctors who pushed a double mastectomy on her. This gal goes by Fox Varian, had the surgery when she was just 16. Got the approval from a psychologist and a surgeon, both of whom the jury found liable of medical malpractice. This is a $1.6 million judgment and an additional $400,000 for future medical expenses. Trans is effectively over. It was a fad. There were some people who tried to cut a middle ground with trans to say, you know, well, you can't trans kids, but you can trans adults, because adults can be the opposite sex, but kids can or whatever. I pointed out some years ago that transgenderism's false. And if it's false, it's false for everybody. And so it has to be eradicated from public life entirely. And I was pilloried and calumniated for it. And, you know, this is like, you know how much I hate to say I told you so. But I'm pleased to see that reality has reasserted itself in the end because it is now a passing fad. How are doctors gonna continue to trans patients, certainly kids, if they're putting themselves at risk of $2 million judgments per patient? It's over. It's a fad. People are gonna look back on it, as we said for years, they're gonna look back on it like we look back on lobotomies and the people who called us immoral, who preened, who calumniated us when we said it was bad to castrate little kids, castrate anybody, really. They're gonna move on to the next fad, the next deeply immoral fad. But it's over, man. It's deader than disco. Okay? Speaking of lunacy, Don Lemon has responded to being arrested by President Trump. January is over. We used all 31 days of it to release a ton of new content. Matt Walsh released a brand new series called Real History with Mount Walsh, starting with the Real History of slavery, packed with facts that schools and institutions conveniently left out for decades. Episode one through three of our long awaited seven part cinematic series, the Pendragon cycle. Rise of the Merlin. Streaming now with new episodes every Thursday only on Dailywire. Plus there are new episodes of Bar Fight with Michael Knowles and Daily Wire originals like how to Take Out a dictator in 88 minutes. Minneapolis ride along with ICE and a lot more. Watch now with your Daily Wire plus membership. You have to have a Daily Wire membership. You understand me? Do you understand me? It's much better. I appreciate when you watch on YouTube or listen on Spotify or MySpace or Zynga, but you've got to go to DailyWire. Plus get the app, go to the website. Follow me. Forget about the other guys. DailyWirePlus.com, join now. My favorite comment yesterday is from the drummer's workshop. Norm's music. Who says Orange is the new Lemon? I love that. I'm a sucker for a good pun. Don Lemon has responded. Don Lemon says he is never gonna give up. He is fighting back. And Don Lemon's friends are defending him. They're saying this was an act of journalism. I want to remind you what Don Lemon said as he was committing the crime at the church in Minneapolis, watch.

Don Lemon (35:09)

This guy here, look, hugging his kid. And, you know, I imagine it's uncomfortable and traumatic for the people here. But again, careful. It's very slippery right here. It's uncomfortable and traumatic for the people here. But that's what. Really Careful, please. Really slippery. Not kidding. That's what protesting is about.

Michael Knowles (35:29)

And so I imagine it's uncomfortable and traumatic for the people here. It's really slippery. Don't slip, don't slip, don't slip. But that's what protesting's all about. The people there included little kids. Wouldn't matter even if it didn't include kids. But these are congregants. Don Lemon is saying, the mob that I'm actively participating in is going in to traumatize people and is traumatizing people, which is a violation of federal law. It's a violation of the Face act, and it's a violation of a US code. 18. US code, section 241, conspiracy against rights. He's in there threatening, oppressing, harassing people, traumatized. That's what happens when you traumatize people. I went on Chris Cuomo's show the other night. Chris Cuomo is Don Lemon's old buddy from cnn. And I explained this to Chris Cuomo, and he didn't have a very good answer for me. That clip's going viral. You can catch that somewhere else. Just before I go on, Chris Cuomo brings on two lawyers, a Democrat and a Republican, a guy who's worked for Trump, a guy who's a Democrat, and he wanted them to duke it out over the Don Lemon case. And he was surprised to hear that the two lawyers were on the same side. They were both against Chris Cuomo because they both realized that Don Lemon had broken the law. I mean, maybe he made some bad decisions. I don't know. I'm rooting for him.

Chris Cuomo (36:52)

But hold on. Maybe he made bad decisions.

Michael Knowles (36:54)

Hold on. Bill. Bill.

Chris Cuomo (36:56)

Maybe he made Bill and Mark, because I think you guys are closer together than I am to the two of you on this. He may have made a bad decision. He may have made bad choices. He may have done things that I would not have done and that News Nation would not allow me to do. It doesn't mean he's not a journalist. It doesn't mean he's a participant. It could mean he doesn't know the law. He doesn't understand what the rules are. Like when he said to the preacher, but they have a First Amendment right. He might not have known the Face act, and he probably doesn't. He's not a lawyer and he's not, you know, been well, but. But this is a hard way to learn. Never heard that.

Michael Knowles (37:35)

That's what I'm saying.

Chris Cuomo (37:36)

And again, you ever heard, oh, it's brutal.

Michael Knowles (37:39)

You know, I said to Chris on his show, I said, look, buddy, it's nice that you wanna defend your friend. That's actually laudable. And he got kinda angry with me. He said, don't patronize me, but I meant it. Loyalty is a real virtue. And he clearly wants to defend his friend, but the best defense he can muster of his friend is he didn't know the law. Now, you don't need to go to law school to know. Ignorance of the law is not a valid defense. You can't go chop someone's head off and say, oh, I didn't know it was against the law to commit murder. You can't do 90 in a 25 speed zone and say, oh, I didn't know what the speed limit was. Ignorance of the law is not a defense. The best defense that Chris Cuomo can muster, who's one of the people most inclined to defend Don Lemon, is, well, he broke the law, but he didn't know it. They got him and they got him dead to rights. For Cuomo, too, this is of a piece because you might recall that during that summer of love, the year R. Floyd, during those protests which were violent, which were against the law, Chris Cuomo made the curious claim that protests don't need to be peaceful.

Chris Cuomo (38:48)

Now, too many see the protests as the problem. No, the problem is what forced your fellow citizens to take to the streets. Persistent and poisonous inequities and injustice. And please show me where it says that protests are supposed to be polite and peaceful.

Michael Knowles (39:08)

The First Amendment of the Constitution is accurate. It says that the people have a right peaceably to assemble, not violently. You'd actually, the right to protest is predicated on the protests being peaceful. It's in the First Amendment. Likewise, Don Lemon cannot claim First Amendment protections as a journalist. To go actively participate in that is conspire with, serve coffee to hide details, commit crimes with this mob that violated rights and broke the Face Act. Because you can't claim First Amendment protections when you are actively violating the First Amendment rights of others. Okay, speaking of famous black people, Christopher Nolan is doing a movie about the Odyssey, Homer's epic poem, and he is cast as Helen of Troy, the face that launched a thousand ships, most beautiful woman in the Greek world. He's cast Lupita Nyong'. O. Lupita Nyong' o is a very good actress. She doesn't look Greek, let's put it that way. She doesn't look Greek. She doesn't have any of the features that are traditionally associated with Helen of Troy. So do we have some pictures of artistic depictions of Helen of Troy? Yeah, here we go. Okay, so we've got old frescoes, old Greek vases and urns all the way up from the centuries before Christ up through the Renaissance. Helen is portrayed as having very, very fair skin, sometimes slightly darker hair, sometimes blonde hair. So it doesn't quite match, does it? Some people are making all sorts of nasty comments about Lupita Nyong', o, who's a perfectly nice looking lady and who is certainly a very good actress. This does not seem to serve the story, does it? The purpose of casting is the same as the purpose of acting, is the same as the purpose of directing. It's the same as the purpose of editing and producing. It's to tell a story. To cast Lupita Nyong' o in that role is to distract away from the story. It's to undermine the story. She's not fit for that part. It would be. Who's a good actor? Philip Seymour Hoffman. Philip Seymour Hoffman is probably the greatest actor of my lifetime. He's just absolutely magnificent. It would be a little odd to cast Philip Seymour Hoffman as Malcolm X in the Autobiography of Malcolm X. Wouldn't that be a little strange? He's a very good actor. But there are limits. There are limits to what an actor can do. There are limits to this entire world. There was a famous debate within the theater, by the way, on so called colorblind casting, which is never really colorblind, by the way. They call it colorblind casting when they cast Lupita as Helen of Troy, but they don't call it colorblind casting. If they were to cast Philip Seymour Hoffman as Malcolm X, that would be an outrage. It would never happen. It would just simply never happen. So it's not exactly colorblind. It's just casting black people in white roles or Latino people in white roles and not casting white people in any roles. But there was a famous debate on this between Richard Brustein, who ran the American Repertoire Theater, and August Wilson, who's probably the most famous black American playwright, perhaps ever. He wrote Ma Rainey's Black Bottom. He wrote Fences, which was a movie with Denzel Washington some years ago. A good playwright. As far as contemporary playwrights. Go. And Brustein, the white liberal, argued for colorblind casting. Oh yeah, anybody of any race, any background can play any part. And August Wilson, the black guy or half black guy said no they can't. It's crazy. I don't want white people to play these roles where they're like a garbage collector in the early 20th century in black neighborhoods with black famil. It takes you out of the story that isn't true. And there's obviously some wiggle room here in certain roles because actors pretend. But it is beyond the capacity of certain actors, of all actors to overcome their natural limits. Very strange. Christopher Nolan's a good director, but one can object to the casting without being offensive and mean spirited or something. It just doesn't, just doesn't make a lot of. She's not. Someone on Twitter rightly put it said, this is now the face that launched a thousand quips because people think it's kind of funny. Okay, speaking of show business, before we go, the Grammys took place. Apparently Billie Eilish took the opportunity on stage to insist that no human being can be illegal in America and here's why.

Billie Eilish (44:04)

No one is illegal on stolen land.

Michael Knowles (44:17)

And.

Billie Eilish (44:20)

Yeah, it's just really hard to know what to say and what to do right now. And I just, I feel really hopeful in this room and I feel like we just need to keep fighting and speaking up and protesting and our voices really do matter and the people matter.

Michael Knowles (44:36)

Yeah, yeah, they really matter. They really matter. They matter. We gotta protest, you know, so we'll get Trump to win an even larger share of the popular vote. I just wanna get to her argument, cuz I actually love this argument. No one is illegal on stolen land. No one. No one. Not any one person. Okay, now no one would include us, people who were born in America of all races, specifically white people who are usually the object of antipathy in these kinds of statements. No one is illegal on stolen land. Now, now what we must conclude about the land being stolen is that someone committed a crime, that a crime took place. But if no one is illegal on stolen land, then that means the land wasn't stolen. Right? Am I getting something wrong here? If no one is illegal on stolen land, if this is stolen land, then me and my forebears committed a crime. The crime would be stealing the land. But if no one is illegal on stolen land, then the land wasn't stolen. So is our land. So we can deport the people, I think. Right. Doesn't someone have to be illegal on the stolen land? For it to be stolen land? I don't know. I'm not a philosopher, but I don't think Billie Eilish is either. With much, much more to get to. Oh, there's so much more. Ah. I want to tell you about why sending Haitians back to Haiti is a death sentence according to Democrat Congress ladies. I want to talk about a Florida IVF company that is in big, big trouble. I want to talk about a septum ring lady. But we don't have time. It's music Monday. The rest of the show continues now. You do not want to miss it. Become a member. Use code nolscanner wles at checkout for two months free on all annual plan.

Characters from Pendragon Cycle (fictional voices) (46:51)

What was it like, Marlon? To be alone with God? Is that who you think I was alone with?

Michael Knowles (47:06)

Martin? I knew your father. May I? Yet convinced that he was not of this world.

Characters from Pendragon Cycle (fictional voices) (47:14)

All men know of the great Taliesin. You are my father. That the gods should war for my soul. Princess Garrus, savior of our people. I know what the bull God offered you. I was offered the same. And there is a new pirate worker the world. I've seen it. A God who sacrifices what he loves for us.

Michael Knowles (47:40)

We are each given only one life. Singer. No.

Characters from Pendragon Cycle (fictional voices) (47:44)

And we're given another. I learned of Yu the Christ. And I have become his follower.

Michael Knowles (47:52)

He's waiting on a miracle. And I think you can give him one.

Characters from Pendragon Cycle (fictional voices) (47:55)

Trust in Yael. He is the only hope for men like us. Hate be to Britain ever rests in the hands of the great light.

Billie Eilish (48:03)

Great light, Great darkness. Such things mattered to me then.

Characters from Pendragon Cycle (fictional voices) (48:08)

What matters to you now, Mistress of lies?

Billie Eilish (48:11)

You, nephew.

Characters from Pendragon Cycle (fictional voices) (48:16)

The sword of a high king.

Billie Eilish (48:20)

How many lives must be lost before you accept the power? You were born to rule, suckling to the promises of a God who has abandoned you.

Characters from Pendragon Cycle (fictional voices) (48:31)

I cannot take up that sword again. You know what you must do.

Steve Bannon (48:38)

Great life.

Michael Knowles (48:38)

Forgive me.

Characters from Pendragon Cycle (fictional voices) (48:47)

The time has come to be reborn.

Michael Knowles (48:56)

Reggie.

Grandpa (Carvana ad voice) (48:56)

I just sold my car online.

Michael Knowles (48:58)

Let's go, grandpa. Wait. You did?

Grandpa (Carvana ad voice) (49:00)

Yep. On Carvana. Just put in the license plate, answered a few questions. Got an offer in minutes. Easier than setting up that new digital picture frame.

Michael Knowles (49:09)

You don't say.

Grandpa (Carvana ad voice) (49:10)

Yeah, they're even picking it up tomorrow. Talk about fast.

Michael Knowles (49:13)

Wow. Way to go. So about that picture frame.

Grandpa (Carvana ad voice) (49:16)

Ah, forget about it. Until Carvana makes one, I'm not interested.

Michael Knowles (49:20)

Car selling made easy on Nirvana. Pick up. These may apply.